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| PaulMurray | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 10 14:00:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is PaulMurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:00 |
| tdurakov | o/ | 14:00 |
| mdbooth | o/ | 14:00 |
| diana_clarke | o/ | 14:00 |
| PaulMurray | hi all | 14:00 |
| paul-carlton2 | o/ | 14:00 |
| luis5tb | hi! | 14:00 |
| davidgiluk | o/ | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| jlanoux | o/ | 14:00 |
| * kashyap waves | 14:00 | |
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| PaulMurray | For those with short memory: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaLiveMigration | 14:01 |
| PaulMurray | Agenda ^^ | 14:01 |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 14:01 |
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| abhishek | 0/ | 14:01 |
| andrearosa | hi | 14:01 |
| PaulMurray | #topic CI | 14:01 |
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| PaulMurray | tdurakov, has been away - so welcome bak | 14:01 |
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| PaulMurray | tdurakov, any update ? | 14:02 |
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| tdurakov | PaulMurray: as discussed mostly working on my spec now, but happy to help with storage pool for this | 14:02 |
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| tdurakov | any details on that? | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | What was the experimental stability like ? | 14:03 |
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| tdurakov | the same, going to check is there xenial nodes in nodepool already | 14:03 |
| mriedem | i noticed the experimental live migration job wasn't running with latest libvirt/qemu yet? | 14:03 |
| tdurakov | mriedem: true | 14:03 |
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| mriedem | i thought that job was going to use that new repo that installs latest libvirt/qemu? | 14:04 |
| tdurakov | haven't seen xenial multionode yet | 14:04 |
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| mriedem | the one that markus and tonyb worked on | 14:04 |
| jlanoux | tdurakov: What about the coverage of the Mitaka features? Are you done? | 14:04 |
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| tdurakov | mriedem: is that finished? | 14:04 |
| pkoniszewski | mitaka features aren;t covered mostly | 14:05 |
| pkoniszewski | jlanoux: ^ | 14:05 |
| PaulMurray | I'm just getting back to the CI, did markus get it working ? | 14:05 |
| PaulMurray | I mean with the latest versions of libvirt etc. | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | yeah i thought so, awhile ago | 14:05 |
| jlanoux | pkoniszewski: ok | 14:05 |
| PaulMurray | mriedem, ok, so we are playing catchup then | 14:05 |
| tdurakov | mriedem: will add this to job today than | 14:05 |
| mriedem | talk to markus_z and/or tonyb about it | 14:05 |
| tdurakov | mriedem: ok | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | last i knew they just wanted to move the git repo under the openstack namespace | 14:06 |
| mriedem | but they had something in project-config for using this | 14:06 |
| tdurakov | mriedem: will ask them after this meeting | 14:06 |
| mriedem | #action tdurakov to follow up with markus_z/tonyb about the trunk libvirt/qemu repo | 14:07 |
| tdurakov | yup | 14:07 |
| PaulMurray | tdurakov, let me know if you need help | 14:07 |
| kashyap | mriedem: On a slightly related note, there's now a new DevStack plugin up for review (revived from an old review) that lets one install custom libvirt / QEMU from tar releases -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313568/ | 14:08 |
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| kashyap | It's an external plugin though. | 14:08 |
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| tdurakov | PaulMurray: as a plan B for that, who could help with adding multinode xenial to nodepool? | 14:08 |
| mriedem | ok, but those are like daily builds? | 14:08 |
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| PaulMurray | jlanoux, do you know anything about nodepool ? | 14:09 |
| jlanoux | PaulMurray: nope | 14:09 |
| mriedem | tdurakov: i wonder if pabelanger could help with that in infra | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | if not I will go to andreaf | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | (I hope that's the right nick) | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | and see if he can help | 14:10 |
| tdurakov | smth like that | 14:10 |
| tdurakov | https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/a755ee6d0257faafb4204a843f5265e935689639/nodepool/nodepool.yaml#L73 | 14:10 |
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| kashyap | mriedem: If there are daily tarballs avialable, yes | 14:10 |
| mriedem | kashyap: ok, i guess i'd rather gate on actual releases, rather than daily builds | 14:11 |
| mriedem | we already have problems with stability | 14:11 |
| pkoniszewski | we don't need daily tarballs here i think | 14:11 |
| kashyap | mriedem: It by default uses official releases | 14:11 |
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| mriedem | we're going to need multinode xenial regardless, so i think that's time well spent | 14:11 |
| kashyap | pkoniszewski: It's not daily, it uses official tar balls, from here (for QEMU) and similar URL for libvirt: http://wiki.qemu-project.org/download/ | 14:12 |
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| pkoniszewski | got it | 14:12 |
| PaulMurray | #link Devstack plugin for qemu/libvirt versions: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313568/ | 14:13 |
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| PaulMurray | I like the title of that ^^ "First version" | 14:13 |
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| kashyap | PaulMurray: :-) Yeah, they could improve the commit messages | 14:14 |
| PaulMurray | moving on slightly | 14:14 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Libvirt Storage Pools | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Libvirt Storage Pools (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:14 | |
| PaulMurray | What do we need for CI for storage pools ? | 14:14 |
| mriedem | for the dependent refactor, | 14:15 |
| mdbooth | I addressed that in the recent spec update | 14:15 |
| paul-carlton | an lvm, rbd, ploop | 14:15 |
| mriedem | i'd like at least an lvm-backed job | 14:15 |
| * mdbooth digs it out | 14:15 | |
| mriedem | we have rbd and ploop ci already | 14:15 |
| paul-carlton | plus shared storage and non shared | 14:15 |
| mriedem | we're missing lvm - it might start as an experimental job for nova | 14:15 |
| mriedem | ceph is shared storage | 14:15 |
| mdbooth | Note that Jenkins currently only tests the Qcow2 and Rbd(ceph) backends | 14:15 |
| mdbooth | in the gate. All current libvirt tempest jobs run by Jenkins use the | 14:15 |
| mdbooth | default Qcow2 backend except gate-tempest-dsvm-full-devstack-plugin-ceph, which | 14:15 |
| mdbooth | uses Rbd. We additionally coverage of the ploop backend in | 14:15 |
| mdbooth | check-dsvm-tempest-vz7-exe-minimal run by Virtuozzo CI. This means that we | 14:15 |
| mdbooth | currently have no gate coverage of the Raw and Lvm backends. | 14:15 |
| andreaf | PaulMurray: I would ask in the -infra room, there is already a xenial single node image https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/a755ee6d0257faafb4204a843f5265e935689639/nodepool/nodepool.yaml#L88 so it shouldn't be too difficult to setup a multinode env based on xenial - clarkb was working a lot on setting up the original multinode environment I believe | 14:15 |
| mriedem | lvm/ephemeral is non-shared | 14:16 |
| tdurakov | mriedem, what about adding this to existing live-migration job instead? | 14:16 |
| paul-carlton | nfs shared would be good too, different from ceph | 14:16 |
| PaulMurray | thanks andreaf | 14:16 |
| davidgiluk | shared nfs migration tests have been quite good for finding bugs | 14:16 |
| mdbooth | We're only interested in a limited set of tests for these backends | 14:16 |
| mriedem | tdurakov: does the live migration job test nfs? | 14:16 |
| tdurakov | yes | 14:16 |
| tdurakov | and ceph too | 14:17 |
| mdbooth | We're not going to run the full suite against each backend, are we? | 14:17 |
| mriedem | can the live migration job also use lvm? | 14:17 |
| mriedem | mdbooth: i was more concerned with the big refactor | 14:18 |
| tdurakov | mdbooth: I'd prefer to start with live-migration, It would be expensive to have full multinode jobs for all backends | 14:18 |
| mriedem | i'm not talking about a multinode job for lvm, just an expermintal queue job that runs on nova and could run against these refactor changes | 14:18 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: Right. We need coverage, but how complete? | 14:18 |
| tdurakov | mriedem: I thought this is the plan | 14:18 |
| pkoniszewski | one question - won't it take too much time to execute all tests in gate if we also add storage pools to existing CI? I mean, we still need to cover all mitaka features there | 14:18 |
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| * mdbooth is thinking about our poor testing resources | 14:19 | |
| mriedem | well, the live migration job isn't going to test snapshots right? | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | the experimental queue is on-demand | 14:19 |
| tdurakov | mriedem: it's not testing yet | 14:19 |
| tdurakov | but we could enable this later, after fixing stability issues | 14:20 |
| mriedem | enable what later? | 14:20 |
| tdurakov | test snapshots | 14:20 |
| pkoniszewski | snapshots in LM CI? it's totally different thing, isn't it? | 14:20 |
| mriedem | pkoniszewski: yes | 14:20 |
| mriedem | that's kind of my point, we don't need to test snapshots in the LM job | 14:21 |
| tdurakov | renaming will help.. | 14:21 |
| PaulMurray | I thought the plan was to split live migration tests from other things - no point in extending it out from there | 14:21 |
| pkoniszewski | yeah, +1 | 14:21 |
| mriedem | but i think it's useful to have a job, in the experimental queue, that runs with lvm which we can run on mdbooth's refactor series which will test the compute api and virt driver for things that the LM job won't test | 14:21 |
| pkoniszewski | can't find a reason to mix live migration with other things, it is complex enough | 14:21 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: Yup. Also the 'Raw' backend, don't forget. | 14:22 |
| mriedem | mdbooth: yeah | 14:22 |
| mdbooth | Bizarrely we don't currently have coverage of that, either | 14:22 |
| tdurakov | we have job that already tests 3 different configs, we could expand it with lvm, and add all multinode actions there | 14:22 |
| mriedem | mdbooth: we could maybe change the ceph job to use raw... | 14:22 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: ? Then it wouldn't be the ceph job. Have I misunderstood? | 14:23 |
| mriedem | oh right, hehe | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | tdurakov, I would expect LM job to test enough back ends | 14:23 |
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| mriedem | mdbooth: forgot that had it's own special imagebackend | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | so it seems good to put lvm there if its not already | 14:23 |
| mdbooth | It's special | 14:23 |
| mriedem | well we have gate-tempest-dsvm-full (n-net) and gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full, those both use qcow2 right? | 14:23 |
| mdbooth | Everything which doesn't use something explicitly uses qcow2 | 14:24 |
| mriedem | so maybe we make one of those use raw | 14:24 |
| * mdbooth audited them the other day | 14:24 | |
| mdbooth | mriedem: Makes sense | 14:24 |
| mriedem | and then we just have 1 new experimental queue job for lvm | 14:24 |
| mriedem | now having said this, changing one of the integrated gate jobs is i think branchless, | 14:24 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: We could switch one of the other jobs to lvm, right? | 14:25 |
| mriedem | so if changing it to use raw introduces a bunch of failures....that would be bad | 14:25 |
| mdbooth | There are plenty of them | 14:25 |
| mriedem | i have a feeling lvm will be racey | 14:25 |
| mriedem | just based on what i've seen with the lxc job that uses it | 14:25 |
| mdbooth | Hmm, ok. Of course we want to know that, but yeah... | 14:25 |
| mriedem | anyway, i think i can hack up a devstack-gate change to test lvm and see how it looks | 14:26 |
| mriedem | same for raw | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | mriedem, shall we call that an action - or just thinking out loud | 14:26 |
| mriedem | sign me up | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | #action mriedem to hack up a devstack-get change to test lvm | 14:27 |
| mdbooth | (and Raw' | 14:27 |
| mdbooth | ) | 14:27 |
| mriedem | #undo | 14:28 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to hack up devstack-gate changes to test lvm and raw image backends | 14:28 |
| mriedem | i'll also review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302117/ after this meeting | 14:28 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: Appreciated, thanks | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | paul-carlton, mdbooth are the two followon specs ready for broader review - looks like still needs subteam review | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | ? | 14:29 |
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| paul-carlton | yep | 14:29 |
| mdbooth | We discussed 1 aspect of libvirt storage pools this morning | 14:30 |
| paul-carlton | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310538/ | 14:30 |
| * mdbooth hasn't looked at that one in detail, yet | 14:30 | |
| paul-carlton | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310505/ | 14:30 |
| mdbooth | paul-carlton: Ah, I see you've updated it. Need to re-review. | 14:31 |
| PaulMurray | good - so its in hand - anyone else can help review too | 14:31 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Specs | 14:32 |
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| PaulMurray | for specs: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | if your spec isn't there just add it | 14:32 |
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| PaulMurray | Does anyone have one they want to mention ? | 14:33 |
| luis5tb | can we briefly discuss about this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301509/ | 14:34 |
| PaulMurray | go ahead | 14:34 |
| luis5tb | andrearosa suggested to include information about migration type in the migration object | 14:34 |
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| luis5tb | something like "postcopy-status" --> disabled/enabled/active | 14:35 |
| andrearosa | luis5tb: it is not mandatory | 14:35 |
| mdbooth | luis5tb: Is that spec related to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306561/ ? | 14:35 |
| luis5tb | what is your view about that? | 14:35 |
| andrearosa | soemthing I'd like to have more opinion | 14:35 |
| luis5tb | me too | 14:35 |
| luis5tb | I think it could be a good idea | 14:35 |
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| tdurakov | migrations works not only for libvirt, will it be valid to expose post-copy over migration entity? | 14:36 |
| luis5tb | also, I think we need to at least include information about the memory iterations, besides the remaining data and the other stats already there | 14:36 |
| mdbooth | tdurakov: I think not | 14:36 |
| pkoniszewski | i don't think that we want to expose low level details through API | 14:36 |
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| mdbooth | I don't think we should expose iterations, either | 14:36 |
| tdurakov | mdbooth: so, here is the answer | 14:36 |
| paul-carlton | nope, better to let the driver code work out if abort is allow | 14:36 |
| paul-carlton | i.e. have we switched to post copy | 14:37 |
| * mdbooth has a slightly better understanding of post-copy this week than I had last week | 14:37 | |
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| tdurakov | paul-carlton: what about saving such switches to instance-actions instead? | 14:38 |
| mdbooth | In my view, it's something which should just happen when the user requests force completion | 14:38 |
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| tdurakov | as a separete instance-action-event step | 14:38 |
| davidgiluk | paul-carlton: Be a little careful of races around that; if you do 'have we switched to postcopy? No - ok, abort' then you might switch to postcopy between asking and aborting | 14:38 |
| paul-carlton | that would be ok I guess but current code doesn't look at that | 14:38 |
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| luis5tb | libvirt will deny the abort if the switch to postcopy has already been triggered anyway | 14:39 |
| tdurakov | davidgiluk: races story https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287997/ | 14:39 |
| pkoniszewski | well, we don't save an instance action when we increase downtime during LM | 14:39 |
| paul-carlton | davidgiluk, yep, you'd need to do a lock, check the proceed | 14:39 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: what about start doing this? | 14:39 |
| pkoniszewski | why? | 14:39 |
| tdurakov | instance actions are pretty explicit, allows to store even tracebacks | 14:40 |
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| tdurakov | would be useful to get details on migrations | 14:40 |
| tdurakov | thoughts? | 14:40 |
| paul-carlton | but checking that would not prevent race | 14:40 |
| davidgiluk | tdurakov: Yes, especially if they do wrong | 14:40 |
| andrearosa | tdurakov: yes that was my idea. I'd like to have something tell me what happened. I do not have any real use cases atm but I bet that for debugging purpose it could be handy | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | slightly confused, are you thinking of having lots of instance actions for a migration ? | 14:41 |
| pkoniszewski | aren't logs enough for debugging purposes? | 14:41 |
| paul-carlton | better to have the migration monitor thread in the driver get a lock on the instance before switching to post copy so other thread can't abort it | 14:41 |
| tdurakov | there is already separate steps for migration | 14:41 |
| pkoniszewski | we will save tons of instance actions per migration if we go this way | 14:42 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: why tons? | 14:42 |
| tdurakov | save only several event from libvirt | 14:42 |
| tdurakov | not all | 14:42 |
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| tdurakov | I'm not proposing to store whole progress | 14:42 |
| pkoniszewski | i just mentioned downtime which is increased iteratively during LM process | 14:42 |
| pkoniszewski | do we need to save it? | 14:42 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: worth to discuss | 14:43 |
| PaulMurray | admin will look at instance actions to see what happened to a finished migration | 14:43 |
| PaulMurray | needs to be deciferable for the admin | 14:43 |
| paul-carlton | saving switch to post copy is a reasonable thing to do but as user information | 14:43 |
| PaulMurray | paul-carlton, agreed | 14:43 |
| andrearosa | I was thinking saving the switch | 14:43 |
| tdurakov | paul-carlton: live-migration is admin action | 14:43 |
| PaulMurray | but not lots of progress stuff | 14:43 |
| tdurakov | not user | 14:43 |
| andrearosa | but not the progess | 14:43 |
| tdurakov | surely no progress | 14:43 |
| pkoniszewski | but for switch we need to save all the data | 14:44 |
| pkoniszewski | like memory remaining, how many cycles | 14:44 |
| luis5tb | why? | 14:44 |
| mdbooth | I would expose live migration started, live migration ended, and live migration aborted | 14:44 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: do we? | 14:44 |
| mdbooth | To the user | 14:44 |
| pkoniszewski | because if we save only switch, it means nothing | 14:44 |
| mdbooth | And nothing else | 14:44 |
| luis5tb | switch could be just based on the memory iteration | 14:44 |
| pkoniszewski | okay, lm switched to post-copy, but what it really means? | 14:44 |
| pkoniszewski | and how it would help? | 14:45 |
| paul-carlton | exposing post copy switch, as a force complete action to be driver agnostic is reasonable | 14:45 |
| paul-carlton | it is informative for user and admin | 14:45 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: it would be explicit to operator, what steps were done to converge migration | 14:45 |
| mdbooth | If the user is trying to debug why their performance went a bit funky for a bit, knowing that the funkiness occurred during a live migration is sufficient | 14:45 |
| mdbooth | They don't need to know every detail of it. | 14:45 |
| davidgiluk | mdbooth: Do they have an easy way to get the detail if they need it? | 14:46 |
| * PaulMurray is thinking about the time.... | 14:46 | |
| PaulMurray | Shall we continue on the spec and move on ? | 14:46 |
| tdurakov | davidgiluk: I believe checking logs is the only way | 14:46 |
| pkoniszewski | so once we start using auto converge we will save all auto converge steps, all downtime steps, and post-copy switch? | 14:46 |
| paul-carlton | Can we talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301509/ | 14:46 |
| paul-carlton | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301561` | 14:46 |
| pkoniszewski | sounds like a small book in DB for a single migration | 14:46 |
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| PaulMurray | paul-carlton, we need to cover the agenda | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | lets come back at the end if time | 14:47 |
| paul-carlton | ok | 14:47 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: not all, but let's discuss this in spec instead, will leave a comment | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Review Requests | 14:47 |
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| pkoniszewski | tdurakov: +1 | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310352/ | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | eliqiao, | 14:48 |
| tdurakov | PaulMurray: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287997/ | 14:48 |
| tdurakov | still not merged | 14:48 |
| mdbooth | Also mechanical cleanup: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308876/ | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | tdurakov, noted - lets see if we can get help with it | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310707/ | 14:50 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, you've been doing reviews - well done | 14:50 |
| PaulMurray | you're names on most things I look at | 14:50 |
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| pkoniszewski | eliqiao is not there | 14:51 |
| PaulMurray | that explains it | 14:51 |
| PaulMurray | ...the silence I mean | 14:51 |
| pkoniszewski | we need some eyes here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310707/ | 14:51 |
| pkoniszewski | it's a regression in mitaka | 14:51 |
| paul-carlton | can I get reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307131/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306561/ please, as well as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310505/ | 14:51 |
| pkoniszewski | and requires a backport | 14:51 |
| PaulMurray | pkoniszewski, yes - I noticed that (ref above too) | 14:52 |
| PaulMurray | that made me think about the | 14:52 |
| PaulMurray | CI with latest versions discussion earlier | 14:52 |
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| PaulMurray | 1.3.1 does not work for selective block migration on tunnelled connections | 14:52 |
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| PaulMurray | ok | 14:54 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Open Discussion | 14:54 |
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| PaulMurray | only a few minutes left | 14:54 |
| PaulMurray | anything else to cover | 14:54 |
| PaulMurray | ? | 14:54 |
| PaulMurray | (quickly) | 14:54 |
| pkoniszewski | yeah | 14:54 |
| pkoniszewski | one question | 14:54 |
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| davidgiluk | paul-carlton: Can you figure out how your spec for automatic live migration completion goes together with luis5tb's postcopy spec? | 14:55 |
| pkoniszewski | do we really need a spec for that? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248358/ | 14:55 |
| mdbooth | davidgiluk paul-carlton +1 | 14:55 |
| mdbooth | I'm also confused about that | 14:55 |
| pkoniszewski | i mean, this is something that is already supported in nova, right now everyone can use auto converge by adding a flag to live_migration_flags | 14:55 |
| paul-carlton | davidgiluk, I think it is dependant on luis5tb's spec | 14:56 |
| pkoniszewski | because we want to remove live_migration_flags, this new flag is just to keep a way to turn auto converge on, nothing more | 14:56 |
| pkoniszewski | mriedem_meeting: ^^ | 14:56 |
| mdbooth | I'd like to see all of these merged into a single spec | 14:56 |
| mdbooth | 'How do I force my live migration to complete' is 1 topic | 14:56 |
| davidgiluk | mdbooth: yeh | 14:57 |
| paul-carlton | not a good idea to mix them up | 14:57 |
| paul-carlton | post copy is one thing | 14:57 |
| pkoniszewski | mdbooth: these are two different topics | 14:57 |
| pkoniszewski | post-copy is a way to force to complete | 14:57 |
| davidgiluk | paul-carlton: I think it would be good to see how yours, postcopy and autoconverge go together; if they're really 3 specs or 1 | 14:57 |
| paul-carlton | the auto completion stuff build on it | 14:58 |
| mdbooth | Right, and so is auto converge | 14:58 |
| pkoniszewski | auto converge and compression is just to increase chances to converge | 14:58 |
| mdbooth | But they're both parts of the same problem | 14:58 |
| mdbooth | Treating them separately is confusing | 14:58 |
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| pkoniszewski | auto converge will never force to complete, really | 14:58 |
| pkoniszewski | even if you cut 99% cpu cycles | 14:58 |
| paul-carlton | talking to danbp auto-converge needs to basically stop instance to get it done | 14:58 |
| PaulMurray | This is going to go over the end of the meeting | 14:59 |
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| PaulMurray | do we want another time to talk about it ? | 14:59 |
| paul-carlton | post-copy is much more effective | 14:59 |
| paul-carlton | we can discuss on specs? | 14:59 |
| pkoniszewski | post-copy is a way to force to complete | 14:59 |
| pkoniszewski | auto converge is not | 14:59 |
| mdbooth | paul-carlton: Agreed. We need to discuss that in more more than 1 spec :) | 14:59 |
| mdbooth | s/more more/no more/ | 14:59 |
| PaulMurray | I'll have to cut off now, so lets continue in nova room | 14:59 |
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| PaulMurray | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 10 14:59:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-05-10-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-05-10-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-05-10-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| devkulkarni | #startmeeting Solum Team Meeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 10 17:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'solum_team_meeting' | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Roll Call | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:00 | |
| devkulkarni | Devdatta Kulkarni | 17:00 |
| james_li | james li | 17:00 |
| devkulkarni | hi james_li | 17:00 |
| james_li | hi devkulkarni | 17:01 |
| devkulkarni | here is the agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2016-05-10_1700_UTC | 17:01 |
| devkulkarni | ablu should be joining us soon | 17:01 |
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| vijendar | o/ | 17:01 |
| devkulkarni | hi vijendar | 17:01 |
| devkulkarni | we also have james_li with us | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | and ablu should be joining soon | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | here is agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2016-05-10_1700_UTC | 17:02 |
| devkulkarni | lets wait for a minute to see if anyone else joins.. | 17:02 |
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| vijendar | sure | 17:03 |
| devkulkarni | alright.. lets begin | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Announcements | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:04 | |
| devkulkarni | I have one announcement today | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu will be working on his thesis over the summer and is looking to use and build on Solum. | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | I am excited to see how can Solum help with Ablu's use-case | 17:04 |
| vijendar | nice | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | yeah | 17:04 |
| devkulkarni | Yesterday he presented his proposal and it was well received | 17:05 |
| james_li | is he graduating this summer? | 17:05 |
| devkulkarni | His timeline is to complete his thesis by September | 17:05 |
| Ablu | Na. It was today :) | 17:05 |
| devkulkarni | hi Ablu | 17:05 |
| Ablu | Let me get my laptop... | 17:05 |
| devkulkarni | sure.. | 17:05 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: It would be awesome if you can update the team on your project and the timeline | 17:05 |
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| Ablu | ok. Hi :) | 17:06 |
| Ablu | Well I had my introduction talk today | 17:06 |
| Ablu | so i can register the work now | 17:06 |
| Ablu | I can share my proposal I guess... | 17:06 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: yes, that would be helpful.. vijendar and james_li are very knowledgeable about solum | 17:07 |
| devkulkarni | they would be able to provide helpful pointers as well | 17:07 |
| Ablu | one sec... | 17:08 |
| Ablu | let me make my git repo public | 17:08 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 17:08 |
| Ablu | https://gitlab.com/ablu/bachelorthesis/builds/1334176/artifacts/file/build/Proposal%20Bachelor%20Thesis%20Erik%20Schilling.pdf | 17:08 |
| Ablu | meh... access denied | 17:08 |
| Ablu | now it works ^ | 17:09 |
| devkulkarni | yep | 17:09 |
| Ablu | please bear with me if i think of some open stack stuff incorrectly :P Still new to all this... | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: no worries | 17:10 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: latex? | 17:10 |
| Ablu | devkulkarni: yep | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni | cool | 17:11 |
| devkulkarni | thanks for sharing the proposal with the team Ablu | 17:11 |
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| Ablu | you can find my presentation i did today there too... but that one is 1st) probably hard to understand without the audio track and 2nd) it only lists some vague ideas which came to my mind... | 17:12 |
| devkulkarni | james_li vijendar: whenever you get a chance, I would encourage you to take a look at the proposal.. Ablu is available on the solum irc usually till our mid-day/afternoon | 17:13 |
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| devkulkarni | Ablu: I guess the proposal is good for now.. | 17:13 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni: sure | 17:13 |
| Ablu | German time zone here... | 17:13 |
| devkulkarni | thanks Ablu | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni | thanks vijendar | 17:14 |
| Ablu | well the prososal is pretty generic... not really related to solum a lot so far | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: sure.. and we all can brainstorm how/where solum can fit in your use-case | 17:14 |
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| devkulkarni | lets do that next week once folks have got a chance to read the proposal | 17:14 |
| devkulkarni | sound good? | 17:15 |
| Ablu | yep | 17:15 |
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| devkulkarni | cool | 17:15 |
| devkulkarni | any other announcements from any of you? | 17:15 |
| Ablu | i will read into solum and openstack tooling a bit and prepare a bit | 17:15 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: yes, that is a good plan | 17:15 |
| devkulkarni | it will make the discussions more concrete | 17:16 |
| devkulkarni | alright, if there are no announcements, lets move to the next topic | 17:16 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Review Action Items | 17:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:17 | |
| devkulkarni | I had this action item from last time: | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni | (devkulkarni) Follow up with the devstack team regarding devstack gate issue related to n-dhcp.log | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni | and an update on that from the summit | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni | Update: Synced up with dims during the summit. Will be following up with him to figure out a fix. | 17:17 |
| devkulkarni | I haven't yet gotten around to follow up on that | 17:18 |
| devkulkarni | hopefully soon | 17:18 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Patches for Review | 17:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Patches for Review (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:18 | |
| devkulkarni | We have quite a few patches that are ready to be merged | 17:18 |
| devkulkarni | 1) Tenant name -> project name change | 17:18 |
| devkulkarni | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314115/ | 17:18 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar: can you move this forward? ^^ | 17:19 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni: sure | 17:19 |
| devkulkarni | thanks | 17:19 |
| devkulkarni | 2) Delete app images from glance | 17:19 |
| devkulkarni | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313702/ | 17:19 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar james_li can you move this one forward? ^ | 17:19 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni: looking | 17:20 |
| devkulkarni | 3) There are bunch of patches for app name and lp name validation | 17:21 |
| devkulkarni | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313705/ | 17:21 |
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| devkulkarni | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313709/ | 17:21 |
| devkulkarni | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313703/ | 17:21 |
| devkulkarni | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313782/ | 17:21 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: can you move these along? | 17:21 |
| james_li | devkulkarni: looking | 17:22 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: thanks | 17:22 |
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| devkulkarni | cool, thanks vijendar and james_li | 17:25 |
| devkulkarni | lets move to next topic | 17:25 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Bug review | 17:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug review (Meeting topic: Solum Team Meeting)" | 17:26 | |
| devkulkarni | here are some of the new bugs that we filed recently | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni | 1) Java REST API example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1580245 | 17:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580245 in Solum "java-rest-api-example" [Undecided,New] | 17:26 |
| devkulkarni | This one is about providing an example app that is just a REST API written in Java | 17:27 |
| devkulkarni | 2) Python REST API example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1580246 | 17:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580246 in Solum "python-rest-api-example" [Undecided,New] | 17:27 |
| devkulkarni | This one is about providing an example app that is a REST api written in python | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni | The reason I filed these two bugs was to have examples for REST api/service building and deploying using solum | 17:28 |
| vijendar | devkulkarni: I can take the rest example one | 17:28 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar: cool.. | 17:29 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: do you want to take one of the rest api bugs as well? this will provide you with a simple enough thing to get started with solum | 17:29 |
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| devkulkarni | some other bugs that were recently filed include: | 17:31 |
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| devkulkarni | 3) Inject params at app deploy time: https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1578414 | 17:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1578414 in Solum "inject-parameters-at-app-deployment-time" [Undecided,New] | 17:31 |
| Ablu | hm... | 17:31 |
| Ablu | I am not sure how much time i have this week | 17:31 |
| Ablu | we are preparing a release at work... | 17:31 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: sure, I can understand | 17:31 |
| devkulkarni | there is no deadline as such for completing these bugs | 17:32 |
| devkulkarni | they are more of wishlist bugs | 17:32 |
| devkulkarni | nice to have example apps | 17:32 |
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| devkulkarni | other bugs that we filed recently were: | 17:33 |
| devkulkarni | 4) Delete LPs from local registry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1578402 | 17:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1578402 in Solum "Languagepack images are not deleted from local docker registry on LP delete" [Undecided,New] | 17:33 |
| devkulkarni | 5) Use publicly available docker images as base images: https://bugs.launchpad.net/solum/+bug/1577857 | 17:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1577857 in Solum "support-building-app-from-public-docker-images" [Undecided,New] | 17:33 |
| devkulkarni | If you are interested in working on any of these bugs, please assign them to yourself in launchpad | 17:34 |
| vijendar | sure | 17:34 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar: any bugs that you had in mind that we should file? | 17:35 |
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| vijendar | devkulkarni: none at the moment | 17:36 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar: ok | 17:36 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: as you start with solum, if you find anything that needs improvement, or is not clear, please file a bug on launchpad | 17:37 |
| devkulkarni | that way there will be record | 17:37 |
| devkulkarni | alright.. lets move to open discussion | 17:38 |
| devkulkarni | #topic Open Discussion | 17:38 |
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| Ablu | devkulkarni: sure | 17:38 |
| devkulkarni | Ablu: thanks | 17:38 |
| devkulkarni | 1) Submission for Barcelona are due in early June | 17:38 |
| devkulkarni | vijendar recently created this etherpad listing possible topics for submitting talks for Barcelona | 17:39 |
| devkulkarni | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/solum-barcelona-2016 | 17:39 |
| devkulkarni | james_li: I think you, me, and vijendar should collaborate on submitting a talk on 'Container app deployment and Security' | 17:39 |
| devkulkarni | which is point number 3 on the etherpad | 17:39 |
| devkulkarni | please add any other topics that you might think of | 17:40 |
| devkulkarni | I hope we are able to submit at least 2 or 3 talks | 17:41 |
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| vijendar | and should do one hands on workshop | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni | and we should definitely propose a solum workshop | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni | yep | 17:41 |
| devkulkarni | apart from the barcelona submissions few other topics in open discussion | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni | 2) Updates from upstream | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni | - Distributed database in Nova: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093616.html | 17:43 |
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| devkulkarni | This one is about feasibility of replacing nova's backend db with a distributed db | 17:43 |
| devkulkarni | the proposal is to investigate cassandra as a backend for nova | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni | - Using Go in OpenStack world: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093795.html | 17:44 |
| devkulkarni | This one is about using Go in OpenStack | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni | both these threads have received lot of replies | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni | you can read them whenever you have some time | 17:45 |
| devkulkarni | lot of good thoughts/comments on each | 17:46 |
| vijendar | thanks devkulkarni for sharing these threads | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni | np | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni | any other topics on your mind that we should discuss in open discussion? | 17:47 |
| devkulkarni | if not, we can end the meeting | 17:48 |
| devkulkarni | alright then.. | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni | thanks james_li, vijendar, Ablu for joining the meeting today | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni | see you next week | 17:49 |
| devkulkarni | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 10 17:50:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-05-10-17.00.html | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-05-10-17.00.txt | 17:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/solum_team_meeting/2016/solum_team_meeting.2016-05-10-17.00.log.html | 17:50 |
| Ablu | thanks for the info :) | 17:50 |
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