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| tidwellr_ | hi | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 15:00 |
| SridarK | Hi | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
| tidwellr_ | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 12 15:00:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tidwellr_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| vikram_ | hi | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| njohnston__ | o/ | 15:00 |
| tidwellr_ | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| tidwellr_ | Newton-1 is coming up in a couple weeks | 15:02 |
| tidwellr_ | this cycle is moving quickly, so tick tock :) | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | I have one announcement | 15:03 |
| tidwellr_ | any other announcements? | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm moving the subteam meeting agenda page to etherpad | 15:03 |
| tidwellr_ | +100 | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:03 |
| vikram_ | +1 | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | I've got it almost all moved except I need to decide which URL shortener to use on the really long bug query URLs. | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | I see some activity there already. Nice! | 15:04 |
| tidwellr_ | thanks carl_baldwin, this is very nice | 15:05 |
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| carl_baldwin | After the meeting, I'll take everything off of the wiki and leave a link to the etherpad. | 15:05 |
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| tidwellr_ | thanks for doing this, it's easy to just put off doing these housekeeping things | 15:06 |
| tidwellr_ | any other announcements? | 15:06 |
| njohnston__ | Hopefully we can change eavesdrop.openstack.org to point to this agenda as well | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr_: yup, the wiki had a lot of old cruft on it. It will be easier to do weekly maintenance on the page now. | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | njohnston__: Good point. | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will update eavesdrop to point to the new page. | 15:07 |
| tidwellr_ | alright, moving on | 15:09 |
| tidwellr_ | #topic Bugs | 15:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:09 | |
| carl_baldwin | I only started the etherpad 20 minutes ago and look how much it has helped. | 15:09 |
| tidwellr_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1543094 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543094 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] DB exceeded retry limit (RetryRequest) on create_router call" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ryan Tidwell (ryan-tidwell) | 15:09 |
| tidwellr_ | so, the meat of the fix really is ready to go | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr_: Do you think we should merge the unit test fixes now? | 15:10 |
| tidwellr_ | carl_baldwin: I'm thinking yes | 15:11 |
| tidwellr_ | I posted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312655/ to flush out test failures | 15:11 |
| tidwellr_ | it's only finding tempest test failures at the moment | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | +2 on the test changes. Needs to recheck though. | 15:12 |
| tidwellr_ | I meant to investigate that, were there some gate failures recently? | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | tidwellr_: Are the tempest test changes needed for the meat of the fix? | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | #action carl_baldwin will review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292207 today | 15:13 |
| tidwellr_ | carl_baldwin: unfortunately yes, if we merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292207/ we'll have failures in the dsvm-api job | 15:13 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr_: okay | 15:14 |
| tidwellr_ | I have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312771/ to clean up the tempest tests, there are 2 tests that have me perplexed | 15:14 |
| tidwellr_ | once we get them cleaned up then we can merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312771/, which then unlocks the rest of the neutron chain | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | I now see the depends-on. Nice. | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr_: Do you need any help with the failures? | 15:16 |
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| tidwellr_ | I could use some help with the tests I pointed out in my review comment | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: pavel_bondar: Any chance one of you could take a look? | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312771/ | 15:18 |
| tidwellr_ | I've seen those failure on both https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292207 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312655/ | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr_: You pointed them out in your comment on May 9th to 312771, right? | 15:18 |
| tidwellr_ | yes | 15:18 |
| johnbelamaric | carl_baldwin: sure. pavel_bondar will be more useful than me but I will take a look too | 15:18 |
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| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: I'l try to take a look | 15:19 |
| tidwellr_ | pavel_bondar: thanks! | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: Thanks. I won't ask you to spend a lot of time on it but if you can provide any insight with a quick look in to it, it might help. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric also ^ | 15:20 |
| tidwellr_ | just to be clear we're walking about tempest test failures that occur when IP allocation is not sequential | 15:20 |
| tidwellr_ | anyway, that's all I had on this bug | 15:21 |
| tidwellr_ | anything else to add? | 15:21 |
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| tidwellr_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1564335 | 15:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1564335 in neutron " [Pluggable IPAM] delete subnet in ml2 plugin does not comply with pluggable ipam (deletes ip allocations directly from db)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:22 |
| pavel_bondar | fix is here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300984 | 15:23 |
| pavel_bondar | need to address comment from Brian, but any additional reviews are welcome | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: ack | 15:23 |
| carl_baldwin | I will review it today. | 15:24 |
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| tidwellr_ | awesome, it looks like you're close on this one | 15:24 |
| pavel_bondar | tidwellr_: yeah, looks close | 15:24 |
| tidwellr_ | cool, anything else to add? | 15:25 |
| pavel_bondar | no | 15:25 |
| tidwellr_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1566383 | 15:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566383 in neutron "The creation fip does not endure restarting of l3-agent" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | Just backports now, right? | 15:26 |
| tidwellr_ | looks that way | 15:26 |
| haleyb | yes, master changes merged | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: good work | 15:26 |
| haleyb | backports are stuck because of some tempest bugs | 15:27 |
| haleyb | or neutron bugs with tempest | 15:27 |
| tidwellr_ | sounds like we're good on this one, can we move on? | 15:28 |
| haleyb | yup | 15:28 |
| tidwellr_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1572474 | 15:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1572474 in neutron "[Pluggable IPAM] Deadlock on simultaneous update subnet and ip allocation from subnet" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:28 |
| tidwellr_ | this will be fixed when we fix the first bug we talked about, I think | 15:29 |
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| pavel_bondar | and backportable fix is here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309067/ | 15:29 |
| tidwellr_ | ooh, a backportable fix | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: I'll review this today also. | 15:29 |
| pavel_bondar | it had +2 from carl, but I had to rebase it | 15:30 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: thanks! | 15:30 |
| tidwellr_ | I'd like to understand this, so I'll try to take a look too | 15:30 |
| pavel_bondar | tidwellr_: thanks! | 15:31 |
| tidwellr_ | anything else on this one? | 15:31 |
| pavel_bondar | no | 15:32 |
| tidwellr_ | #topic Routed network segments | 15:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | The patch to allow associating a subnet merged! | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | I've also posted a patch starting to handle the IPAM. It needs integration with mlavalle 's patch. | 15:33 |
| * tidwellr_ cues applause | 15:33 | |
| carl_baldwin | Actually, another patch merged last night too. It was a refactor in IPAM that will allow drivers to consider more than one subnet at a time. | 15:34 |
| * mlavalle pushed next revision last night | 15:34 | |
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| tidwellr_ | carl_baldwin: so, should the reference driver be considering just 1 subnet at a time? | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Do you know if it was rebased past https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304886/ ? | 15:35 |
| * mlavalle looking | 15:35 | |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr_: The reference driver should now be enhanced to take advantage of this. | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | Anyone want to take this on? I haven't started a patch but I'd be willing to help. | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | It is low hanging fruit but might be a little more complex than other low hanging fruit. | 15:36 |
| tidwellr_ | carl_baldwin: I suppose this impacts the bug fix we discussed earlier where we're changing the allocation algorithm? | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr_: It does. | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: no, this one merged after I pushed last night | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | Although that bug fix can still work, just not as efficiently. | 15:37 |
| tidwellr_ | carl_baldwin: duly noted :) | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: How much trouble would it be to rebase again? | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr_: I hate to give it to you. I know you've been very busy lately. But, I wouldn't stop you either. | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: none. I'll do it over the next few minutes | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: thanks. | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | Next steps for me are to pile the rest of what I've got on mlavalle 's patch and start integrating host / segment awareness in to my IPAM stuff. | 15:38 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: That puts the focus on you. You can handle it. | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | :) | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | I hope :-) | 15:39 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else from others on this topic? | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | I think the work is moving along very nicely. | 15:40 |
| tidwellr_ | sounds like it | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | Let's move on. We've got a couple more things to discuss. | 15:41 |
| tidwellr_ | k | 15:41 |
| tidwellr_ | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "BGP Dynamic Routing (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:41 | |
| carl_baldwin | ... not routed networks related. | 15:41 |
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| Na_Zhu | hi | 15:42 |
| tidwellr_ | carl_baldwin: could use a +2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312324/ | 15:42 |
| carl_baldwin | Looks like there are some reviews to do. I can help. | 15:42 |
| vikram_ | hi | 15:42 |
| tidwellr_ | I've got the code pulled over and using neutron-lib everywhere now | 15:42 |
| vikram_ | I have mentioned about the links over the etherpad.. | 15:42 |
| vikram_ | tidwellr_: nice work.. i troubled you a lot ;( | 15:43 |
| tidwellr_ | vikram_: I need to plow through some of those reviews as well | 15:43 |
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| Na_Zhu | the CLI side has no update this week | 15:43 |
| tidwellr_ | Na_Zhu: for my benefit, the CLI is staying in python-neutronclient? | 15:44 |
| Na_Zhu | tidwellr: yes, but need add osc plugin to python-neutronclient, Richard is doing that | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | time check. We need time for fwaas. | 15:45 |
| vikram_ | tidewellr_: Yes it will be but need to port to OSC plugin as well | 15:45 |
| tidwellr_ | ok, well I didn't have much that we can't take offline | 15:45 |
| Na_Zhu | tidwellr: the neutron-*aas owners need re-factor the code to align with the osc plugin | 15:45 |
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| tidwellr_ | Na_Zhu: thanks for the update, that helps me | 15:46 |
| vikram_ | I think we are on right track and hope can make to N-1 | 15:46 |
| tidwellr_ | yes | 15:46 |
| vikram_ | that all from my end.. | 15:47 |
| tidwellr_ | alright, let's move on then | 15:47 |
| tidwellr_ | #topic FWaaS | 15:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FWaaS (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:47 | |
| SridarK | Hi | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | SridarK: ping | 15:47 |
| SridarK | thx for some airtime | 15:47 |
| njohnston__ | thanks! | 15:47 |
| SridarK | With the merge of #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223343/ FWaaS Agent is out of L3Agent. We look for a cleaner model to integrate service agents into L3Agent. | 15:47 |
| SridarK | We would really like some help to see what the approach should be for us to integrate into L3Agent | 15:48 |
| SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1580239 | 15:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580239 in neutron "[RFE] Add agent extension framework for L3 agent" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 15:48 |
| njohnston__ | We figure that a good understanding of the right design approach will save us all time in the long run. | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | SridarK: I'm not very familiar with the L2 analog to this. Is there any documentation I could review? Did you guys look in to it already? | 15:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | There is an L2 agent extension mechanism, right? | 15:49 |
| njohnston__ | There is not much documentation, as the L2 version was done while ther separate neutron-qos branch was in operation | 15:49 |
| SridarK | njohnston__: can u pls help - njohnston__ has used this in the context of qos | 15:49 |
| njohnston__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195439/ The change creating the L2 agent extension | 15:50 |
| njohnston__ | but it was never specced out | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | njohnston__: thank you | 15:51 |
| SridarK | carl_baldwin: The FWaaS agent maps router ids to router info and then accesses the router ns to program iptables | 15:51 |
| njohnston__ | carl_baldwin: There was later an API laid over it in Mitaka | 15:51 |
| SridarK | so some cleaner mechanism to load in a service agent would be ideal | 15:51 |
| njohnston__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263819/ Spec for L2 agent extension API | 15:51 |
| njohnston__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267591/ Implementation for L2 agent extension API | 15:52 |
| njohnston__ | the API was needed to allow extensions to gain access to resources the L2 agent had, like OVS flow cookies | 15:52 |
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| carl_baldwin | You guys are pretty far ahead of me on this. What do you think is needed? Do you know enough that you could attempt to spec something out? | 15:54 |
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| SridarK | carl_baldwin: we can certainly help on this but would appreciate someone from the L3 team to work with us on this | 15:54 |
| njohnston__ | I think we could spec something out, yes, but I think implementation may be better done with someone more familiar with the internal complexities of the L3 agent. | 15:55 |
| njohnston__ | I will draft up a spec over the next couple of days and post it to the specs repo early next week. | 15:56 |
| SridarK | carl_baldwin: we are in a spot as fwaas is broken now after removing the albeit ugly inhertiance model so really could use all the help we can get | 15:56 |
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| carl_baldwin | understood. We had been talking about getting that inheritance out of there for many cycles. It was time to do it. | 15:58 |
| SridarK | carl_baldwin: understand | 15:58 |
| njohnston__ | carl_baldwin: Just to be clear though, there is some inheritance involved using the L2 model as well, as L2 extensions inherit from the OVSAgentExtensionAPI class. But it's cleaner | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | I can give some guidance and some help if you guys can drive it forward. | 15:59 |
| SridarK | carl_baldwin: thx much appreciated | 15:59 |
| carl_baldwin | njohnston__: inheritance may be acceptable as long as it is a class like that which is designed for it. | 15:59 |
| njohnston__ | ok, good | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | we can take this to the neutron room if needed. | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| tidwellr_ | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 12 16:00:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-05-12-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-05-12-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-05-12-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr_: ha, I wasn't a chair. :) | 16:00 |
| tidwellr_ | thanks everyone | 16:00 |
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| SridarK | thx all | 16:00 |
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| docaedo | courtesy ping kfox1111 kzaitsev_ws markvan | 17:00 |
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| docaedo | anyone here for the Community App Catalog meeting? | 17:00 |
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| markvan | docaedo: hi, sorry, but I've been given a diff mision, and will not be able to participate here as much. | 17:06 |
| docaedo | markvan: boo! but understandable :) you did a bunch of good stuff and gave a good base to work from, thanks! | 17:07 |
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| markvan | docaedo: yeah I hope to swing back around someday and step in again... | 17:07 |
| kfox1111 | o/ | 17:08 |
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| docaedo | kfox1111: I think we can skip the meeting if it's just you and I, maybe chat in the regular channel but I don't have much to share at the moment | 17:08 |
| kfox1111 | sounds like a plan. | 17:09 |
| kfox1111 | I've been busy with other things so nothing really to report. | 17:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hemanthravi ivar-lazzaro igordcard songole: hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: hi | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:00 |
| hemanthravi | hi | 18:00 |
| Guest36671 | hi | 18:00 |
| ashutosh | hi | 18:00 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:00 |
| songole | hello | 18:00 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ashutosh: hi | 18:01 |
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| Guest36671 | guest36671 - ahmed | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are back in force after the hiatus :-) | 18:01 |
| tbachman | :) | 18:01 |
| rp_ | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | Guest36671: hi ahmed! :-) | 18:01 |
| * tbachman is happy that we have a working gate | 18:01 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 12 18:01:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thanks for tackling that! | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/gbp-network-services-framework | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have a one point agenda today! :-) | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | just kidding | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we can bring up other things | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Bugs | 18:02 |
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| hemanthravi | ivar-lazzaro: thanks for starting the reviews | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | anything critical that we need to discuss? | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the gate is hopefully restored now on all the branches | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | okay good | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i am guessing nothing new on packaging? | 18:04 |
| rkukura | nope | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, lets skip to the main topic then | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic NFP Implementation patches | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/gbp-network-services-framework | 18:04 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: the orchestration patches of nfp have been posted and we should have the gate test in a day or so | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: do you want to introduce other authors in your team here? | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *patch authors | 18:06 |
| hemanthravi | most of the authors of the patches are here today...ahmed, rpm, ashutosh, jagadish | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rpm :-) | 18:07 |
| hemanthravi | rajendra prasad | 18:07 |
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| tbachman | :) | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | jokes apart, welcome ahmed, rp_ ashutosh & jagadish to the team | 18:07 |
| * tbachman is wrong… again ;) | 18:07 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: lol! | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | its good to put patch author names to at least IRC nicks (if not faces) :-) | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay lets proceed with discussion | 18:08 |
| hemanthravi | they can provide any clarifications needed to start with and continue with addressing gerrit comments | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: before that, can you please provide us an overview on the patch series? | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would like to understand (in summary) how the patches are stacked, and what is being attempted in what sequence | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and how we can incrementally test this | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | either hemanthravi or any of the authors can chime in | 18:10 |
| * igordcard says hi | 18:10 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: hi there | 18:10 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I was also going to ask about the stacking - gerrit doesn’t seem to make that very obvious anymore | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i agree | 18:11 |
| ahmed__ | 1) NFP multiprocess library 2) DB 3) Orchestrator 4) Base Mode configurator | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: although i think the order is preserved | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: in the way it shows in gerrit as related patches | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ahmed__: sorry, go ahead | 18:11 |
| ahmed__ | thats the stack | 18:12 |
| ahmed__ | for patches | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ahmed__: there seem to be more than 4 patches in the stack | 18:12 |
| hemanthravi | the main patches are as 1. the process framework which implements a multiprocessing framework to process the RPCs from the GBP NFP node driver | 18:12 |
| ahmed__ | these are high level categories submitted in multiple patches | 18:12 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: If the related patches is stacked in order, that answers my question | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i believe that is indeed the case | 18:13 |
| hemanthravi | 2. service orchestrator patch that implements the logical network function primitves | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: ahmed__ can i request you to please provide links to the specific patches that you are discussing? | 18:13 |
| ahmed__ | 1) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282292/41 | 18:14 |
| hemanthravi | 3. device orchestarotr patch which implements device related functionality such as instanting VMs, hot-plug of interfaces etc | 18:14 |
| ahmed__ | 2) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298206/20 | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ahmed__: so (2) is the DB patch, okay | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (3) is a client patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298213/29 | 18:15 |
| ahmed__ | 3.a) Service Orchestrator - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298224/27 | 18:15 |
| hemanthravi | 4. node driver which is the NCP NFP node driver that talks to NFP via RPC | 18:15 |
| ahmed__ | 3.b) Device orchestrator - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298297/52 | 18:15 |
| ahmed__ | sorry, missed node driver in my list, its 4) Node driver - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298380/61 | 18:16 |
| ahmed__ | 5) base mode configurator - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298385/60 | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hmmm | 18:17 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: we should probably have a section on wiki describing this | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i agree | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | because in my gerrit i am not seeing the order that ahmed__ is describing | 18:17 |
| hemanthravi | 5) base mode configurator is a reference implementation of a serivce vm that consumes the REST APIs from the orchestrator | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it will be helpful to have a single wiki page which lists all the patches, and summarize the context of those patches (and how they relate to the previous and next patch) | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the later part should ideally be captured in the commit message | 18:18 |
| hemanthravi | sumit can you go to this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298385/60 | 18:18 |
| hemanthravi | and the patches are in order 1 at the bottom | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i dont see that happening, hence its pretty difficult to get the context | 18:18 |
| hemanthravi | do you see that | 18:19 |
| RajendraPrasad | Its there in the blueprint page also, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/group-based-policy/+spec/gbp-network-services-framework | 18:19 |
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| hemanthravi | sumit do you see the order if you go to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298385/60 | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: i see this order: #link https://imagebin.ca/v/2gvR0Yv8dWnE | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i am starting with the first patch: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282292 | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the order your guys are describing here does not match that | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it will be helpful if the context you provide is in accordance with that order | 18:22 |
| hemanthravi | that's correct order...i think the numbering is off since we didn' list all of them only the main ones | 18:22 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay so lets folllow that | 18:22 |
| hemanthravi | 1. NFP framework, 2. DB mode, 3. library utils, 4. service orchestrator | 18:23 |
| ahmed__ | 5. Base mode configurator | 18:23 |
| hemanthravi | 5. mods to service orchestrator to support reference namespace based service such as haproxy in namespace | 18:24 |
| hemanthravi | 6. Device orchestrator | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay at what point in this can i do an end-to-end test? | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would like to do an end-to-end test at the earliest point in this stack of patches | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and review that as a whole | 18:25 |
| hemanthravi | end to end test at nfp - base configurattor ref impl | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | patches on top of that, in my thinking, would be enhancements to that core | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: patch link? | 18:25 |
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| hemanthravi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298385/60 for end to end test | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | that being “NFP - Base Configurator Reference Implementation”? | 18:26 |
| hemanthravi | yes | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you also have the patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298288/47 (“GBP NFP - Added Base mode support in Service Orchestrator”) | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is that not an end-to-end test with haproxy? | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (without service VM) | 18:27 |
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| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: need patches beyond that upto https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298385/60 | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: just for haproxy as well? | 18:29 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: some of the patches are beyond that for eg NFP - Node Driver | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: i get that, but i thought the “base mode” was to test in the most elemental way, even without having to start a VM | 18:31 |
| hemanthravi | although you don't need all of them, the reason for this order was that the support for namespace haproxy was added after the support for a serivce vm | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: but patches seem to be stacked in a way that the namespace haproxy patch is the 5th patch | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so it seems to have been inserted early in the chain (even though it was added later) | 18:33 |
| hemanthravi | that's correct but some of the code required comes in a later patch | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: hmmm | 18:33 |
| hemanthravi | that's correct | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | if that was not the case, it would have been much easier to review the first 5 patches as a contained unit versus 10 | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hence i was trying to get clarification | 18:34 |
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| hemanthravi | the first 5 patches and NFP - Node driver can be reviewed first | 18:34 |
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| hemanthravi | that will the code required to launch haproxy in namspace | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay, but you are saying we cant test them in an installation (which is the easiest way to validate and understand :-)) | 18:35 |
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| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: looks like some of the code from the patches upto nfp - base configurator is reqd | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, like songole suggested if you can put this information on a wiki page, and in there mention what aspect is missing from this base mode patch (and comes later), that will probably give us enough information to review the first fiv | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *five | 18:36 |
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| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: will do | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks | 18:37 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: can we review the first 5...those will be required | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay | 18:37 |
| hemanthravi | 6, 7 are not not required for haproxy namespace | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | what do the other team members think? | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura ivar-lazzaro igordcard tbachman: do we have enough context to review the first 5 patches? | 18:38 |
| hemanthravi | agree :) | 18:38 |
| * tbachman has a lot of reading to do :) | 18:38 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: lol, sorry didnt mean to put you in a spot! | 18:39 |
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| rkukura | that helps - it will definitely require some effort | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: :-) | 18:40 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: kind of | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: :-) | 18:40 |
| ivar-lazzaro | I've left some comments in the patch | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, thanks | 18:40 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | what is really bugging me right now is the fact that some classes are copy-pasted in the test directory | 18:40 |
| ivar-lazzaro | and I'm not sure why | 18:40 |
| ivar-lazzaro | like here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309056/13 | 18:41 |
| ivar-lazzaro | There's exactly the same set of classes as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298385/60 | 18:41 |
| ivar-lazzaro | What is the first patch about? Testing the configurator? | 18:41 |
| hemanthravi | ivar-lazzaro: this was to get around an issue where the unit tests were using methods in base class | 18:42 |
| hemanthravi | as opposed to the method in nfp....couldn't figure out a way to resolve this | 18:42 |
| ivar-lazzaro | which unit tests? | 18:42 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | Maybe I should look at the whole chain first, but I'm not really sure what https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298385/60 is about | 18:44 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | more context in the commit message would be great :) for all the patches possibly | 18:44 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | Sorry I meant: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309056/13 | 18:44 |
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| hemanthravi | ivar-lazzaro: the tests i was referring to was not these, don't remember the exact ones | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i have put comments to that effect in the earlier patches | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | devref document is also required in the relevant patches | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and wil help to resolve some of these questions upfront | 18:45 |
| jagadish | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298385/60 is base configurator implementation | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | to avoid having the reviewers to guess | 18:45 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: what's the tests/contrib package supposed to host? | 18:45 |
| ivar-lazzaro | jagadish: yeah I meant https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309056/13, pasted the wrong link | 18:45 |
| ivar-lazzaro | jagadish: that is basically... The base configurator implementation... But in a different package | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: test/contrib is supposed to host “contributions” which are not actively supported by the GBP team but are contributed by the community | 18:46 |
| jagadish | this has pecan controller which is same as reference service VM implementation at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309056/13 | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: these are meant to be ancillary artifacts used for testing | 18:46 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: urgh | 18:46 |
| jagadish | both are pecan controllers with a slight functionality difference. However, the class names can be corrected accordingly | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: example being devstack artifacts for gate job | 18:47 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: ok, so this is not stuff that's supposed to run during UTs | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: i wouldnt think so | 18:47 |
| ivar-lazzaro | jagadish: there's no difference, the files are identical | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: by this, i assume you are referring to “something” that goes in tests/contrib | 18:48 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | “this” | 18:48 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: yes. I guess you could put there a backend emulator to run with Devstack for POCs for example | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: right | 18:49 |
| jagadish | ivar, I don't think they are identical. I will look at them and send email | 18:49 |
| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: but we do have already a configurator in the main tree, so I'm not really sure why we need to duplicate that cose in tests/contrib | 18:49 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: okay, i havent reached that far in the chain :-) | 18:49 |
| hemanthravi | tests/contrib was meant to be a refernce for someone implementing a service cm | 18:50 |
| hemanthravi | service vm | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: but i think ivar-lazzaro is indicating this being used in UTs | 18:50 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | SumitNaiksatam: I started backwards :D | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and if so, we shouldnt be doing that | 18:50 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: don't think there are UTs for impl in tests/contrib | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: that would beyond my ken :-) | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay | 18:51 |
| hemanthravi | ivar-lazzaro: test/contrib configurator runs in a service-vm and is only a reference | 18:52 |
| hemanthravi | configurator in the main tree is the impl to support haproxy in a namespace. | 18:52 |
| hemanthravi | test/contrib should not be treaated as part of the main tree | 18:53 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hemanthravi: sure, but I don't see why maintaining 2 copied of the same stuff instead of just using the controller in the main tree for testing | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: perhaps something ^^^ to sync up with ivar-lazzaro offline if you are not able to de-duplicate | 18:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: ahmed__ regarding the first patch itself , i undertand that we are putting in a framework | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | how specific is this to NFP, and/or can parts or all of this be leveraged from somewhere else (like oslo)? | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just want to understand taht we have done the due deligence on this | 18:55 |
| hemanthravi | ivar-lazzaro: tests/contrib impl is different, mainly logs the calls | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oslo or for that matter any other official or un-official project | 18:56 |
| igordcard | I missed the question at HH:38, but I haven't reviewed the NFP patches so I can't say anything about them at this point | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: would appreciate if you can find some time to review :-P | 18:57 |
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| ahmed__ | framework is different than oslo, levarages where required, supports distributor-worker model in NFP | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ahmed__: okay | 18:57 |
| ahmed__ | certain specifics like communication between processes, sequencing of events | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ahmed__ hemanthravi want to make sure that there is no gratituous duplication | 18:58 |
| ahmed__ | event bindings to same worker, abstract polling APIs are implemented | 18:58 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: uses oslo where possible, but the framework provides primtives for an event based multiprocessing impl | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ahmed__: hemanthravi wherever applicable we should contribute to other projects if the same aspect is already available or being developed there | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay, and that you are saying is specific to this context and design and currently not available or being worked on in other projects? | 19:00 |
| hemanthravi | and there is no duplication and is a common design-pattern with python multiprocessing module | 19:00 |
| ahmed__ | this was not planned as generic framework, more like a library to abstract and support NFP modules | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: ahmed__ okay thanks for that clarification! | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | seems like we are out of time | 19:00 |
| hemanthravi | there is no framework that is abstracted from an impl | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: okay | 19:00 |
| hemanthravi | in other projects | 19:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: it will be good if you can coordinate putting the wiki page for this | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | while we continue the reviews | 19:01 |
| hemanthravi | SumitNaiksatam: will do | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | need to yield to the next meeeting | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks hemanthravi ahmed__ RajendraPrasad ashutosh | 19:01 |
| hemanthravi | we could sechdule a meeting if required before next irc | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ok bye till the next meeting | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | missed jagadish | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: yes | 19:02 |
| ahmed__ | bye | 19:02 |
| ashutosh | bye SumitNaiksatam | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks! | 19:02 |
| songole | bye | 19:02 |
| hemanthravi | bye | 19:02 |
| jagadish | bye | 19:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 12 19:02:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-05-12-18.01.html | 19:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-05-12-18.01.txt | 19:02 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting nonatc | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 12 19:02:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| ivar-lazzaro | bye | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nonatc' | 19:02 |
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| igordcard | bye | 19:02 |
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| shamail | Hi everyone, who is here for the recognition meeting? | 19:02 |
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| dabukalam | o/ | 19:03 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:03 |
| maishsk | 0/ | 19:03 |
| carolbarrett | o/ | 19:03 |
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| dabukalam | maishsk: big head | 19:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | shamail: sorry for the delay in ending! | 19:03 |
| shamail | #chair maishsk | 19:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: maishsk shamail | 19:03 |
| shamail | Np SumitNaiksatam! | 19:03 |
| MeganR | o/ | 19:03 |
| maishsk | dabukalam: :) | 19:03 |
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| shamail | maishsk: do you mind leading this session? | 19:03 |
| maishsk | shamail: I can give it a shot but will need your help every now and again | 19:03 |
| shamail | I am trying to put out an internal fire that just started before I need a fire extinguisher | 19:03 |
| pholland | o/ | 19:03 |
| shamail | :) | 19:03 |
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| shamail | I'll monitor the meeting and chime in as needed | 19:04 |
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| maishsk | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NonATCRecognition | 19:04 |
| maishsk | #topic Review outcomes from F2F working session | 19:04 |
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| shamail | Thanks! | 19:05 |
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| maishsk | Unfortunately I was not at the summit - so if someone would like to take the lead on giving us a summary of what was discussed? | 19:05 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-recog-m2-output | 19:05 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-recognition-roles | 19:06 |
| shamail | The team used the same etherpads from milestone-2 during the F2F | 19:06 |
| dabukalam | yes, we ran through those, and discussed | 19:06 |
| shamail | In general there was agreement with the approach and definition of activities (with the new addition of AskOpenStack) | 19:06 |
| shamail | I wanted to finalize the name of this WG based on the session | 19:07 |
| dabukalam | We also gained insight into how the Ops tag was generated for badges pre-summit | 19:07 |
| shamail | dabukalam: +1 | 19:07 |
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| maishsk | Was the Ops tag beneficial in the summit? | 19:07 |
| dabukalam | maishsk: I think there was mixed response. I liked it, others didn't. | 19:08 |
| maishsk | those that did not - was there any particular reason? | 19:08 |
| dabukalam | Many were unsure how it ended up on their badge | 19:08 |
| dabukalam | (it was also given to anyone who completed the user survey) | 19:08 |
| maishsk | hrmmm. | 19:09 |
| dabukalam | or I believe anyone who was involved in organising an active usergroup | 19:09 |
| dabukalam | the idea being that it takes 30 mins to complete that survey, but we also covered that at the summit meeting | 19:09 |
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| maishsk | Perhaps with the outcome of the WG - the criteria will be clearer | 19:09 |
| dabukalam | I think the general view was that while we appreciate filling in the survey, it's probably not going to end up on our list of contributions | 19:10 |
| shamail | Good point Dabukalam, i think we agreed to not inclide user survey completion for now | 19:10 |
| dabukalam | As Shamail already linked, this was the final list https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-recog-m2-output | 19:10 |
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| maishsk | Anyone else have anything to add to readout? | 19:11 |
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| maishsk | if not then let’s move on to the next item | 19:11 |
| dabukalam | cool | 19:12 |
| maishsk | #topic Close out milestone-2 and move to milestone-3 | 19:12 |
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| dabukalam | So milestone 2 is "Identify which community members are included in constituency and group-related activities into roles" | 19:12 |
| maishsk | Are we all satisfied with the list that was proposed on the output? | 19:12 |
| maishsk | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-recog-m2-output | 19:13 |
| shamail | I think based on the session, we should be able to close this milestone there is agreement | 19:13 |
| dabukalam | shamail: +1 | 19:13 |
| MeganR | +1 | 19:13 |
| shamail | Can you add a #agree message Maishk? | 19:14 |
| maishsk | #agreed List of contributors to be recognized are as noted on the etherpad above | 19:14 |
| maishsk | #agree List of contributors to be recognized are as noted on the etherpad above | 19:14 |
| pholland | what about organizing community events? should that be included? | 19:14 |
| dabukalam | pholland: this was already covered and is part of the existing list I believe | 19:15 |
| maishsk | pholland: does that not fall under - Official User Group organizers? | 19:15 |
| shamail | That is included but for the first phase it will only be officially recognize organizers and contributors | 19:15 |
| pholland | I don't see it on the etherpad | 19:15 |
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| dabukalam | pholland: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-recog-m2-output | 19:16 |
| maishsk | line #11 | 19:16 |
| dabukalam | bullet point 1 | 19:16 |
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| maishsk | although it only says organizers - not contributors | 19:16 |
| pholland | ok - that wasn't obvious to me | 19:16 |
| dabukalam | maishsk: I think we can safely say that anyone who contributes to the organisation of a user group falls under "organizer" | 19:17 |
| maishsk | contributors - are defined as what role then? | 19:17 |
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| maishsk | dabukalam: I would agree | 19:18 |
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| maishsk | so on to the next item then? | 19:18 |
| dabukalam | yes please | 19:18 |
| maishsk | #topic Obtain volunteers to research metrics collection methods for various activities | 19:18 |
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| maishsk | milestone-3 is defined as “Provide recommendations on how to gather identified metrics (favoring automation whenever possible)” | 19:19 |
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| shamail | I will help with this task. | 19:19 |
| maishsk | So let’s take the list one from above one by one | 19:19 |
| maishsk | User group organizers - is there an official list? | 19:19 |
| dabukalam | maishsk: there is a list of official usergroups | 19:20 |
| MeganR | is this something Tom can help us with - he was pulling some metrics during the meeting | 19:20 |
| pholland | there are a number of OpenStack groups on meetup.com | 19:20 |
| dabukalam | but not an official list of organisers | 19:20 |
| dabukalam | so, whoever volunteers to do this will need to co-ordinate with fifieldt and mrmartin to | 19:20 |
| dabukalam | get this information | 19:20 |
| dabukalam | MeganR: +1 | 19:20 |
| shamail | We should also try to reuse the work Tom did for operator recognition. I don't have the link to the repository handy at the moment. | 19:20 |
| dabukalam | shamail: not only that, but turn it into a structure that can be automated and openly visible | 19:20 |
| maishsk | So who would like to take this one? | 19:21 |
| shamail | +1 | 19:21 |
| dabukalam | shamail: perhaps also talk to the maintainer of stackalytics to see if that's something that he can easily add to his web interface | 19:21 |
| shamail | I'll take it | 19:21 |
| dabukalam | stackalytics feels like a good place for this to belong | 19:21 |
| MeganR | I agree | 19:21 |
| maishsk | #action shamail to follow up on item #1 User group organizers | 19:21 |
| maishsk | Next up - Active members of official UC Working Groups | 19:22 |
| maishsk | So the group chairs should know who the active members are | 19:22 |
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| maishsk | Do we have a list of official UC working groups? | 19:22 |
| maishsk | I would assume that the members of the UC have a list of working groups ? | 19:24 |
| maishsk | And one more thing - are there WG’s that do not belong to the UC ? | 19:24 |
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| dabukalam | there is a list here, I don't know how up to date it is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 19:25 |
| MeganR | That list looks right to me, or at least nothing glaring is missing | 19:26 |
| maishsk | Would anyone like to take this point then? | 19:27 |
| maishsk | OK then… | 19:27 |
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| shamail | Not to my knowledge | 19:27 |
| MeganR | do we need to reach out to the WG leaders? | 19:27 |
| shamail | There are cross project teams but they fall under ATC generally | 19:28 |
| shamail | Yes, we do meganr | 19:28 |
| MeganR | just making certain they are active, I can also look at Wiki pages and meting notes | 19:28 |
| maishsk | MeganR: I would start there - and come up with a recommendation on how this can be quantified | 19:28 |
| maishsk | and hopefully automated | 19:28 |
| dabukalam | maishsk: are you looking for a volunteer to research into metrics for each bullet? I assumed shamail was volunteering to research into metrics for all contributors? | 19:28 |
| MeganR | ok: I can take that item | 19:28 |
| shamail | WG don't have a standard meeting method some use IRC and others don't so we need to A) find membership and B) find out how they meet so we can try to automate collection in the future | 19:29 |
| maishsk | #action MeganR Provide recommendations on how to gather identified metrics for Active members of official UC Working Groups | 19:29 |
| maishsk | dabukalam: that is correct | 19:29 |
| shamail | I did indeed volunteer for all as a first step | 19:29 |
| shamail | But fine with dividing the load | 19:29 |
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| maishsk | shamail: I am sure that we can all pitch in | 19:29 |
| shamail | While I focus on alignment with Tom | 19:29 |
| maishsk | next one Ops meetup moderators | 19:29 |
| maishsk | This should be pretty easy - Tom should have a list | 19:30 |
| shamail | +1 | 19:30 |
| dabukalam | I think our goal should be to discuss how we can take all of this information and put it in a centralised location so that it updates itself automatically | 19:30 |
| shamail | There is a google spreadsheet that he used | 19:30 |
| maishsk | #action maishsk - Provide recommendations on how to gather identified metrics for Ops meetup moderators | 19:31 |
| shamail | dabukalam: +1, one off collection is fine but we need long term solutions too | 19:31 |
| maishsk | dabukalam: +1 but to do that I think we first have to identify where all the info is | 19:31 |
| dabukalam | shamail: right, the one of collection can be our seed db | 19:31 |
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| maishsk | Next item - Contributions to any repository under UC governance (ops repositories, user stories repository, etc.) | 19:32 |
| dabukalam | but then we need to find a way to automate that, which may involve mandating that various groups document things differently from now on | 19:32 |
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| maishsk | Stackalytics - could be the way to get this | 19:33 |
| * dabukalam can see the conversation happening now. WG Organiser: "Well, why didn't I get a <something> tag on my badge, or recognition?" ATCWG: "Well, did you update the wiki page with your name as an organiser?" | 19:33 | |
| * persia expresses a worry that polling data from repos ends up confusing things, because repo contribution is the criteria for ATC, so suddenly the person isn't non-ATC anymore | 19:33 | |
| dabukalam | maishsk: I think Stackalytics is one potential place for it to be, yes, but someone needs to talk to Ilya about how that swould work | 19:33 |
| maishsk | persia: mind elaborating? | 19:34 |
| MeganR | is there anything in Stackalytics for "non-technical" contributions, or something along those lines, or would something need to be built out? | 19:34 |
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| maishsk | not all repos qualify for ATC | 19:34 |
| dabukalam | MeganR: I think there are currently non-technical metrics in stackalytics | 19:34 |
| maishsk | MeganR: I don’t see why it cannot cover all OpenStack repos as well | 19:34 |
| dabukalam | for example http://stackalytics.com/?metric=emails | 19:35 |
| persia | Ah, if there is no overlap between repos that qualify for ATC and repos for this agenda item, I have no worries. | 19:35 |
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| shamail | We will need to build it | 19:35 |
| MeganR | ty | 19:35 |
| shamail | Once we identify what we are capturing metrics wise | 19:35 |
| shamail | I have to drop off, sorry everyone :( | 19:36 |
| shamail | I'll review etherpad | 19:36 |
| MeganR | ah that makes sense - I am trying to jump ahead | 19:36 |
| shamail | Please feel free to assign action items to me as needed | 19:36 |
| MeganR | bye Shamail and good luck | 19:36 |
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| maishsk | dabukalam: do you want to take a crack at this item? | 19:36 |
| dabukalam | maishsk: yes, I can take a look | 19:37 |
| maishsk | thanks shamail | 19:37 |
| dabukalam | I'm also happy to look at the next one, track chairs | 19:37 |
| maishsk | #action dabukalam - Provide recommendations on how to gather identified metrics for Contributions to any repository under UC governance | 19:37 |
| maishsk | #action dabukalam - Provide recommendations on how to gather identified metrics for Track chairs for OpenStack Summits | 19:38 |
| maishsk | Thanks | 19:38 |
| maishsk | Next one - Contributors to Superuser (articles, interviews, user stories, etc.) | 19:38 |
| dabukalam | Nicole runs Superuser afaik | 19:38 |
| maishsk | Any takers? If not then I will grab this one | 19:39 |
| dabukalam | I expect she will have a list/sheet somewhere with past/planned articles | 19:39 |
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| maishsk | #action maishsk - Provide recommendations on how to gather identified metrics for Contributors to Superuser | 19:39 |
| maishsk | Next item - Submission for eligibility to review panel | 19:40 |
| maishsk | Someone mind explaining some context ? | 19:40 |
| dabukalam | maishsk: Sorry, I actually can't recall what that is | 19:41 |
| dabukalam | Ah, perhaps it is an "other" section? | 19:42 |
| MeganR | is that regarding reviewing the "additional" submissions | 19:42 |
| maishsk | MeganR: not sure | 19:42 |
| maishsk | perhap | 19:42 |
| maishsk | s | 19:42 |
| pholland | I think that was the "other" category where a significant contribution could come from a category not previously listed | 19:42 |
| dabukalam | pholland: yes, that makes sense | 19:42 |
| dabukalam | so that's relatively easy, and doesn't require gathering metrics, but rather formation of a panel | 19:42 |
| pholland | and that there would be a review panel to evaluate | 19:42 |
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| maishsk | So what I understand from this is a set of criteria / metrics that will allow people to submit their nomination ? | 19:43 |
| dabukalam | maishsk: I think it needs to be a catchall | 19:43 |
| dabukalam | so hard to have metrics for that | 19:43 |
| maishsk | So that would be coming up with a recommendation of what these criteria would be. | 19:43 |
| maishsk | dabukalam: +1 | 19:43 |
| dabukalam | maybe the action here should be to investigate what a panel should look like | 19:44 |
| persia | Using a mechanism like extra-ATC is probably the easiest: where there is a list of identities in some repo, and gerrit is used to decide if changes are acceptable. Folk who might qualify are proposed for the list and voted by the panel. | 19:44 |
| MeganR | we wouldn't need metrics though, these would be evaluated case by case | 19:44 |
| maishsk | I think that is already part of milestone-4 | 19:44 |
| pholland | yes, I think it would include the list of criteria/metrics for everything else and then an explanation of where to submit a significant contribution not covered in the other categories | 19:44 |
| maishsk | “Establish/identify review board for self-nominated members” | 19:44 |
| dabukalam | maishsk: ah yes, you're right | 19:44 |
| dabukalam | persia: that does seem like a logical way | 19:44 |
| dabukalam | it's basically extra-AUC | 19:45 |
| maishsk | persia: Do you want lead this point then? | 19:45 |
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| persia | maishsk: That wouldn't be a good idea: I almost never get to any of my todo items | 19:46 |
| maishsk | Any other takers? | 19:46 |
| persia | I'd be happy to provide a couple pointers to someone else if they need a hand finding info about extra-ATC | 19:46 |
| dabukalam | I can look at that as well | 19:46 |
| maishsk | dabukalam: thanks | 19:46 |
| maishsk | #action dabukalam - Provide recommendations on how to gather criteria / metrics for “extra-AUC” | 19:47 |
| maishsk | Last one - Active moderators on ask.openstack | 19:47 |
| maishsk | This information probably exists - just have to find out how to collect it | 19:47 |
| dabukalam | maishsk: yes, we discussed the moderator system there | 19:48 |
| maishsk | I am going to pass this one off to shamail | 19:48 |
| dabukalam | I believe a.o.o already has metrics and a class/rewards system | 19:48 |
| maishsk | #action shamail - Provide recommendations on how to gather identified metrics for Active moderators on ask.openstack | 19:49 |
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| maishsk | And that concludes the list (for now) | 19:49 |
| dabukalam | maishsk: cool | 19:49 |
| maishsk | We have 10 minutes left | 19:50 |
| dabukalam | maishsk: we don't have to use them :) | 19:50 |
| maishsk | dabukalam: +1 | 19:50 |
| maishsk | #topic Free-for-all | 19:50 |
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| maishsk | Anyone have anything else that they want to raise / discuss? | 19:51 |
| pholland | no, thanks | 19:51 |
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| MeganR | I'm good | 19:51 |
| maishsk | Ok then | 19:51 |
| maishsk | So that concludes my first time a meeting chair :) | 19:52 |
| MeganR | excellent work! | 19:52 |
| maishsk | Thank you all ! | 19:52 |
| dabukalam | maishsk: cool, thanks for taking over and running it | 19:52 |
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| maishsk | #endmeeting | 19:53 |
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