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| anil_rao | #startmeeting taas | 05:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 05:30:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anil_rao. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:30 |
| yamamot__ | hi | 05:30 |
| kaz | hi | 05:30 |
| soichi | hi | 05:30 |
| anil_rao | Hi | 05:30 |
| anil_rao | Hope everyone who attended the summit had a safe trip back. | 05:31 |
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| soichi | thank you for meet up in the summit | 05:32 |
| anil_rao | The only item in today's agenda is the gate blocking bug. | 05:33 |
| yamamot__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas | 05:33 |
| anil_rao | I complete the review shortly. | 05:34 |
| yamamot__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306390/ | 05:34 |
| anil_rao | Any other items folks want to discuss? | 05:35 |
| yamamot__ | any update on lp permission tweak? | 05:35 |
| anil_rao | Not yet. Waiting for Vinay on this. Not sure what is going on | 05:36 |
| anil_rao | we had talked in Austin about me putting up the TaaS Driver detailed design doc. | 05:37 |
| anil_rao | Where is a good place to park such a document? | 05:38 |
| yamamot__ | doc/ in the repo | 05:38 |
| yamamot__ | incase it's inappropriate for some reason, maybe put on wiki and have a link there. | 05:39 |
| anil_rao | Ok. | 05:39 |
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| yamamot__ | common flow classifier meeting will start on may 17 | 05:40 |
| yamamot__ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094538.html | 05:40 |
| anil_rao | Thanks for the reminder. | 05:40 |
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| yamamot__ | and neutron stadium | 05:41 |
| yamamot__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312199/ | 05:41 |
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| anil_rao | Looks like lots of activity in the Neutron Statdium Evolution review | 05:43 |
| anil_rao | I'll look into adding some error handling code in the TaaS driver. | 05:45 |
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| anil_rao | We will also need to design the status field for some of the TaaS API calls. | 05:46 |
| soichi | anil_rao: agree (to support async API) | 05:47 |
| anil_rao | soichi: Yes. | 05:47 |
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| kaz | I can try to this. | 05:51 |
| anil_rao | kaz: Sure. | 05:52 |
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| anil_rao | kaz: The first step would be to just add the status field in the API and just set it to success by default. | 05:52 |
| anil_rao | When the driver error handling is completed we can properly update the status field. | 05:53 |
| kaz | i see | 05:53 |
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| soichi | anil_rao: +1 | 05:53 |
| anil_rao | I am headed back to Texas (Dallas) next week for a couple of days. When I get back I'll set up a h/w based DevStack environment and collect some performance data for TaaS. | 05:56 |
| anil_rao | Will share the results on the mailing list. | 05:56 |
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| soichi | anil_rao: that's sounds great. we really need performance data. | 05:58 |
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| kaz | anil_rao: +1 | 05:58 |
| soichi | in our experiment, we found that the virt-io running on a host can be a bottleneck | 06:01 |
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| anil_rao | Sorry, compute problem | 06:06 |
| anil_rao | soichi: virt-io? | 06:06 |
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| soichi | virt io process running on a host seems to comsume CPU 100% | 06:08 |
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| soichi | comsume -> consume | 06:09 |
| anil_rao | soichi: I see. | 06:09 |
| anil_rao | soichi: What kind of load were you putting on the VM being monitored. | 06:10 |
| yamamot__ | soichi: it isn't taas-specific, right? | 06:10 |
| soichi | yamamotot_: you are right. it isn't taas-specific. | 06:12 |
| anil_rao | I am still wondering what kind of load was resulting in virt-io consuming 100% cpu | 06:13 |
| soichi | anil_rao: we put load by using iperf | 06:13 |
| yamamot__ | small frames i guess | 06:14 |
| anil_rao | soichi: I guess iperf is measuring the max speed so it will push the system until it maxes out. | 06:14 |
| anil_rao | soichi: Was this on hardware based DevStack? Multi-node? | 06:15 |
| kaz | i guess so. | 06:15 |
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| kaz | anil_rao: yes | 06:16 |
| anil_rao | kaz: Thanks. | 06:16 |
| soichi | anil_rao: we would like to share our result on next week | 06:18 |
| anil_rao | soichi: That would be nice. | 06:18 |
| anil_rao | However, I will have to skip next week's meeting since I am going to Texax on a business trip. | 06:18 |
| anil_rao | I can read up on the meeting minutes. | 06:18 |
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| soichi | okay | 06:19 |
| soichi | i have no additional topic for today. | 06:21 |
| anil_rao | Anyone else has any updates? | 06:21 |
| yamamot__ | nothing from me | 06:21 |
| kaz | me too | 06:21 |
| anil_rao | Ok, I think we can end for today then. | 06:21 |
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| anil_rao | #endmeeting | 06:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:23 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 06:23:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-05-11-05.30.html | 06:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-05-11-05.30.txt | 06:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-05-11-05.30.log.html | 06:23 |
| anil_rao | Bye | 06:23 |
| soichi | bye | 06:23 |
| kaz | bye | 06:23 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizondrivers | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 08:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 08:00 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 08:00 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 08:00 |
| itxaka | o/ | 08:00 |
| itxaka | full room | 08:01 |
| itxaka | :) | 08:01 |
| robcresswell | Always quieter in this tz | 08:01 |
| robcresswell | Lets run through a couple of notices | 08:01 |
| robcresswell | #topic Notices | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Notices (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 08:01 | |
| robcresswell | #info Weekly bug report updated | 08:02 |
| robcresswell | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Horizon/WeeklyBugReport | 08:02 |
| robcresswell | If you only get time to do a handful of reviews each week, make sure its on these patches. | 08:02 |
| robcresswell | We've about 3 weeks until N-1, and a number of issues I'd like to address before then. | 08:03 |
| robcresswell | With the slightly earlier FF, all the more reason to get the bps merged early | 08:03 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 08:04 |
| betherly | o/ | 08:04 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | (I'm guessing: quiet meeting ;-) | 08:05 |
| robcresswell | Moving on. I've put up a short poll to get an idea of when people would prefer a midcycle. Got a few internal meetings this week, should have something in stone by next meeting | 08:05 |
| robcresswell | #info Midcycle dates poll | 08:05 |
| robcresswell | #link http://doodle.com/poll/xvchsbbs4qz9tzr7 | 08:05 |
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| robcresswell | If people could fill that out promptly it'll help me get a good sense of date and numbers/ | 08:06 |
| robcresswell | It's also on the mailer and Horizon IRC room topic if you need to refer back. | 08:06 |
| tsufiev | will do by the end of this week | 08:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | thanks toan | 08:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | er | 08:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | thanks robcresswell | 08:07 |
| robcresswell | lol | 08:07 |
| robcresswell | Any questions on those items? | 08:08 |
| robcresswell | #topic Blueprint Review | 08:09 |
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| betherly | awesome will do that today | 08:09 |
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| robcresswell | Nothing on the agenda for this meeting. If anyone has any blueprints they'd like reviewed, feel free to link, otherwise we can pick a few at random | 08:11 |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/manage-volume-instance-views | 08:11 |
| robcresswell | This seems quite straightforward to me. Its just improving the UI for managing attachments | 08:12 |
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| itxaka | +1 | 08:13 |
| tsufiev | so basically it's about attaching volume not only from volumes page, but also from instances page, right? | 08:13 |
| robcresswell | Yes | 08:13 |
| tsufiev | +1 from my side | 08:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | +1 | 08:14 |
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| robcresswell | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/manage-volume-instance-views Approved | 08:15 |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-vendor-split | 08:16 |
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| robcresswell | This is one thats lingered from a while back. One of my coworkers thought it'd be nice to assign me :) | 08:17 |
| r1chardj0n3s | seems fair | 08:17 |
| robcresswell | There's still a few pieces of vendor specific code/settings we should remove, so the bp is still viable. | 08:17 |
| itxaka | seems logical to me | 08:17 |
| itxaka | +1 | 08:17 |
| tsufiev | +1 | 08:18 |
| robcresswell | We have our own repo, so I should just finish ripping that code out and be done with it. | 08:18 |
| robcresswell | And check for others too... I think BigSwitch have some router code iirc. | 08:18 |
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| robcresswell | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-vendor-split Approved | 08:19 |
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| robcresswell | Not a great deal of active bps that havent been accepted | 08:21 |
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| robcresswell | If there aren't any suggestions, we can end early :) | 08:22 |
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| robcresswell | Thanks all! | 08:23 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 08:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 08:23:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-05-11-08.00.html | 08:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-05-11-08.00.txt | 08:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-05-11-08.00.log.html | 08:24 |
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| itxaka | o/ o/ | 08:24 |
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| claudiub | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 13:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is claudiub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:00 |
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| claudiub | hellou OpenStack people. :) | 13:00 |
| abalutoiu | hello | 13:00 |
| sagar_nikam | Hello | 13:00 |
| c64cosmin | Hello all | 13:00 |
| atuvenie_ | Hi all | 13:01 |
| atuvenie_ | o/ | 13:01 |
| claudiub | Soo.. let's try to keep this meeting short. :) | 13:01 |
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| claudiub | #topic Newton workitems | 13:02 |
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| claudiub | So, as you well know, we will bring the Windows / Hyper-V world to different projects in the OpenStack ecosystem. | 13:02 |
| claudiub | e.g. freezer, monasca, magnum | 13:03 |
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| claudiub | and designate | 13:03 |
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| sagar_nikam | claudiub:nice | 13:03 |
| claudiub | for monasca I've already started, the 1st patch should be fine, but I still have to create a proper environment and test it. | 13:03 |
| sagar_nikam | the windows agent for monasca does not work | 13:04 |
| sagar_nikam | could you get it working ? | 13:04 |
| sagar_nikam | when you submitted the first patch ? | 13:04 |
| sagar_nikam | i mean start agent does not work | 13:04 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: yep, that's another thing I'll have to do. | 13:04 |
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| claudiub | as I've mentioned, I don't have a monasca environment yet, so I'll be able to make the agent work when I get my env ready. :) | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:05 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: the first patch I've sent right after the summit. | 13:05 |
| claudiub | there is also another wmi_checker module in the monasca-agent project that I'll have to take a look into | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: can you please give me the link of that patch | 13:06 |
| claudiub | also, I've looked around in the code. they seem to have a module which acts very similarly with futures.thread_pool, that we use in networking_hyperv as well. | 13:06 |
| claudiub | I'll probably try to replace that module with futures.thread_pool. | 13:07 |
| claudiub | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311925/ | 13:07 |
| claudiub | basically, this patch is almost identical to the patch I've made in ceilometer, when we wanted to replace the in-tree utils with os-win. | 13:08 |
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| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:08 |
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| sagar_nikam | shall i add the required team members of monasca for review ? | 13:08 |
| claudiub | anyways. another thing that seemed interesting to me, was the monasca-logging agent. I'll take a look at is as well, see that it will work on WIndows as well. | 13:08 |
| sagar_nikam | is it ready to be reviewed ? | 13:08 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: I've marked it as WIP for the time being. I'll remove it after I see everything working properly. :) | 13:09 |
| sagar_nikam | sure | 13:09 |
| Sonu | I would like to review. Link? | 13:10 |
| sagar_nikam | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311925/ | 13:10 |
| Sonu | Thanks.I would like to review the metric lists that we can support. | 13:10 |
| claudiub | also, for monasca-logging agent, it might be interesting for it to also fetch Hyper-V events. Will investigate further. | 13:10 |
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| sagar_nikam | that would be nice to send HyperV events | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam | i think we should not send all events | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam | may be just the relevant ones | 13:11 |
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| claudiub | Sonu: sagar_nikam: just a heads-up, the monasca inspectors and the ceilometer inspectors are the same, or at least the HyperVInspectors are. | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam | ceilometer was for metering and monasca for monitoring | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam | just wondering how they are same, can you please provide more details | 13:12 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: yeah, from what I understood, monasca-polling is also able to separate logging / events per tenant, which could be trickier to pull off with hyper-v events. | 13:12 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: sure. there are a few differences between them. first of all, monasca boasts a much better response time when doing queries | 13:13 |
| claudiub | since ceilometer uses mongodb, after a few thousands or more metrics, the response times can get a bit crazy. | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:14 |
| claudiub | monasca uses another database type, I'm forgetting which one at the moment, but it works better with large ammounts of data | 13:15 |
| sagar_nikam | my question was on how the same/similar code in hyperv can be used in both monasca and ceilometer | 13:15 |
| Sonu | influxdb | 13:15 |
| claudiub | Sonu: yep, that's the one. | 13:15 |
| Sonu | they have vertica integration as well...but for enterprise | 13:15 |
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| claudiub | anyways, it can handle a lot more data, which is very important, since monasca polls metrics every 30 seconds by default, while ceilometer does it every 600 seconds. | 13:16 |
| claudiub | alternatively, we can use the ceilometer-polling agent with the monasca backend. this the so-called ceilasca. :) | 13:17 |
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| sagar_nikam | claudiub: so which approach is planned for hyperv ? monasca or ceilasca ? | 13:18 |
| claudiub | + monasca-agent seems to be polling / monitoring other metrics as well. (e.g. services status) | 13:18 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: ceilometer-polling is already working on hyper-v, so ceilasca should already work. but we should also have monasca-agent working as well. | 13:19 |
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| claudiub | so, users can choose their favorite toys. :) | 13:19 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: agree... i think the first priority should be monasca agent | 13:19 |
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| claudiub | anyways. I'll have my env ready by next week hopefully. won't take long to have everything working after that. | 13:20 |
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| sagar_nikam | claudiub:as of today does ceilsca work ? for hyperv | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam | since we already have ceilometer agent for hyperv | 13:21 |
| claudiub | plus, the monasca core are pretty cool with deadlines and deadlines, which is neat. :) | 13:21 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: I've mentioned before: it should work, but I haven't tested it yet. will try it. | 13:21 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:22 |
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| claudiub | ok.. so... for other projects, abalutoiu has been designated to lead the effort for the project named designate. :) | 13:22 |
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| Shivakumar | Hi, with native thread patch applied, hyperv agent hangs sometimes. | 13:23 |
| claudiub | lpetrut is freezing with enthusiasm over the prospect of working on freezer. :) | 13:23 |
| claudiub | Shivakumar: ok, will tackle that as soon as we change the topic. | 13:24 |
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| sagar_nikam | claudiub: nice to see some progress on monasca, designate and freezer | 13:24 |
| claudiub | ok, so I guess that's it for this topic. | 13:25 |
| claudiub | #topic networking-hyperv | 13:25 |
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| claudiub | ok, so, first of all, just a small announcement, a little while ago, networking-hyperv has been removed from neutron's governance, as it was calling the Hyper-V APIs, which is not "open-source". | 13:26 |
| claudiub | this happened because the neutron core decided that they can't vouch for some networking agents / plugins in their governance, if not everything is opensource. | 13:27 |
| claudiub | so, networking-hyperv is not the only one in this situation, there were quite a few that were removed from governance because of this. | 13:27 |
| claudiub | buut, since today, networking-hyperv is under winstackers governance, so yeay. :) | 13:28 |
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| claudiub | that means we have a little bit more liberty and control with the project. | 13:28 |
| claudiub | Shivakumar: ok, so you're saying you have issues with native threads? what branch? are you using pymi? | 13:29 |
| claudiub | what os-win version? | 13:29 |
| Shivakumar | actually, we are using pymi with stable liberty hyperv code | 13:29 |
| claudiub | because this hasn't happened in the Hyper-V CI since it was originally merged in Mitaka, like 2-3 months ago I think. | 13:29 |
| Shivakumar | we backported native thread and enhanced rpc patches, able to get good scale results upto 1000VMs | 13:30 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: we hit 2 issues in scale tests, will mention once we are done with the networking topic | 13:31 |
| claudiub | Shivakumar: ah, I see. I suppose that it hangs during agent's startup? | 13:31 |
| Shivakumar | but, sometimes hyperv agent hangs while making an rpc call, and fails to report again | 13:31 |
| Shivakumar | since we have introduced threading for processing new ports, is it due to Logger ? | 13:32 |
| Shivakumar | yes, cladiub ..during agent startup | 13:33 |
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| Shivakumar | when there are no VM ports to be processed, but if an update comes from other HyperV hypervisor | 13:33 |
| claudiub | Shivakumar: yeah, it feels like you're missing something. | 13:33 |
| claudiub | Shivakumar: I think that the main thread is locked. I don't know exactly what you've backported. | 13:34 |
| Shivakumar | i have backported native thread and enhanced rpc only | 13:35 |
| claudiub | Shivakumar: I suppose you've also backported the patch with the vNIC event listeners, right? | 13:35 |
| Shivakumar | no, we left that | 13:35 |
| Shivakumar | have a doubt | 13:36 |
| Shivakumar | do we need to add this content https://github.com/openstack/networking-hyperv/blob/master/hyperv/neutron/__init__.py | 13:36 |
| Shivakumar | means, add monkey patch ? | 13:36 |
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| claudiub | honestly, some logs could be useful, as well as a list of cherry-pick you've done. otherwise I'm just doing guess work. | 13:37 |
| Shivakumar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263865/ | 13:37 |
| Shivakumar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264235/ | 13:37 |
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| claudiub | Shivakumar: hm, in liberty, the neutron-hyperv-agent was still being loaded from neutron | 13:38 |
| Shivakumar | ok, | 13:38 |
| claudiub | Shivakumar: so, monkey patching was already being done there. | 13:38 |
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| Shivakumar | i think here also we have a separate repo for hyperv | 13:39 |
| Shivakumar | so, if hyperv is separate, does it mean we need monkey patching ? | 13:40 |
| Shivakumar | separately ? | 13:40 |
| claudiub | Shivakumar: what do you mean? | 13:41 |
| claudiub | Shivakumar: also, logs pls. :) | 13:41 |
| Shivakumar | sure, | 13:41 |
| Shivakumar | 2016-05-06 18:16:23.986 1780 INFO neutron.agent.securitygroups_rpc [req-6f83c39f-7370-43bb-af2b-3c3c0d9f2ff1 - - - - -] Provider rule updated 2016-05-06 18:16:23.986 1780 INFO neutron.agent.securitygroups_rpc [req-6f83c39f-7370-43bb-af2b-3c3c0d9f2ff1 - - - - -] Refresh firewall rules 2016-05-06 18:16:23.986 1780 DEBUG neutron.api.rpc.handlers.securitygroups_rpc [req-6f83c39f-7370-43bb-af2b-3c3c0d9f2ff1 - - - - -] Get | 13:41 |
| claudiub | put them here: http://paste.openstack.org/ | 13:42 |
| claudiub | and post a link. | 13:42 |
| Shivakumar | http://paste.openstack.org/show/496733/ | 13:42 |
| claudiub | can you put the entire log? | 13:43 |
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| claudiub | or at least from when the agent starts? | 13:43 |
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| claudiub | Shivakumar: also, there's another patch that could be useful: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297773/ | 13:46 |
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| claudiub | anyways... since we have a few other things to discuss... | 13:47 |
| claudiub | #topic open discussion | 13:47 |
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| sagar_nikam | claudiub: 2 bugs we found in our scale tests | 13:48 |
| Shivakumar | i have pasted complete log http://paste.openstack.org/show/496736/ | 13:48 |
| sagar_nikam | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1473291 | 13:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1473291 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova compute on hyperv don't wait for vif plugged event from neutron" [Medium,Confirmed] | 13:48 |
| sagar_nikam | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1580161 | 13:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580161 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "hyper-v nova compute go down with error Error writing vm console log file from serial console pipe. Error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 13:48 |
| sagar_nikam | fix for bug 1580161, lpetrut: already provided | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | we will use it | 13:49 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: cool, for the second one, lpetrut already sent up a patch. | 13:49 |
| claudiub | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314590/ | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | any plans for the first bug ? | 13:49 |
| claudiub | currently the gate is down, so I'll +2 it when it's ok. | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | we had hit that bug in juno and now in liberty | 13:49 |
| claudiub | as for the 1st one, we've already fixed it compute_hyperv in mitaka. | 13:49 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: it is marked as bp though. | 13:50 |
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| claudiub | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hyper-v-spawn-on-neutron-event | 13:50 |
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| sagar_nikam | claudiub: plans to upstream it in newton ? | 13:50 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: yup. there are going to be a few changes to it though.. there is some duplicate code related to this sort of mechanism in all drivers. I want to refactor it. | 13:51 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:51 |
| sagar_nikam | it would be good if it gets merged in newton, we have seen that issue since juno | 13:52 |
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| claudiub | here's the link to the implementation in compute_hyperv: | 13:52 |
| claudiub | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292615/ | 13:52 |
| sagar_nikam | regarding the first bug for which lpetrut: submitted a patch in stable/liberty | 13:52 |
| sagar_nikam | you will +2 it ? | 13:53 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: this issue doesn't exist anymore in mitaka, since port binding is being done a lot faster | 13:53 |
| claudiub | even without this bp. | 13:53 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: will do as soon as Jenkins gives its +1. Hyper-V CI already passed on the patch, which was needed, so it's good. | 13:53 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: should i wait for it to be merged in stable/liberty | 13:53 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: ok thanks | 13:54 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: yeah, you can. | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: alexpilotti: not in meeting? | 13:55 |
| sagar_nikam | had some updates on freerdp | 13:55 |
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| claudiub | or you can cherry-pick it in your downstream repos, if you have any. :) but it probably won't take long to be merged. | 13:55 |
| claudiub | alex is currently away on some bussiness trip | 13:55 |
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| claudiub | c64cosmin: ^ | 13:56 |
| c64cosmin | I'm here for any RDP info though | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: since it will not take long to merge, i will probably wait | 13:56 |
| claudiub | c64cosmin: welcome. :) | 13:56 |
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| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: sometimes the freerdp service hangs | 13:56 |
| claudiub | c64cosmin: ????????? | 13:56 |
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| sagar_nikam | and restart also hangs... only way to recover is kill wsgate.exe | 13:57 |
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| c64cosmin | sagar_nikam: that happens with the installed version right? | 13:57 |
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| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: yes, installer taken from cloudbase | 13:58 |
| c64cosmin | sagar_nikam: we also have a beta version, the fact that the service hangs if well known and had been taken care of | 13:58 |
| c64cosmin | though, the beta version is also unstable | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: i used the stable version, if the issue is fixed in beta... when will come in stable ? | 13:59 |
| c64cosmin | sagar_nikam: cannot approximate for sure, but that is main priority right now on this project | 14:00 |
| sagar_nikam | sure... will wait | 14:00 |
| sagar_nikam | let me know when you have a good stable build | 14:00 |
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| sagar_nikam | we are almost out of time... we will discuss in detail in next meeting | 14:01 |
| c64cosmin | sagar_nikam: I sure will :) | 14:01 |
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| claudiub | well... this was a.. short meeting. :) | 14:02 |
| claudiub | thanks all for attending. :) | 14:02 |
| sagar_nikam | thanks all | 14:02 |
| claudiub | see you next time! | 14:02 |
| claudiub | #endmeeting | 14:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 14:02:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-05-11-13.00.html | 14:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-05-11-13.00.txt | 14:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-05-11-13.00.log.html | 14:02 |
| c64cosmin | thank you all | 14:02 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 15:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:00 |
| witek | hello | 15:00 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:00 |
| koji | hi | 15:00 |
| jayahn | hi | 15:00 |
| kamil_ | hey | 15:00 |
| flintHP | hi | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | hi flintHP | 15:01 |
| ddyer | o/ | 15:01 |
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| thatsdone | hi | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | hi ddyer | 15:01 |
| ashwin | hi good morning | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | hi thatsdone | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | hi ashwin | 15:01 |
| ddieterly | hi everybody! | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | hi everyone else | 15:01 |
| ddieterly | that covers it | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | the agenda is at, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday May 11, 2016 (15:00 UTC) | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 1.monasca-transform | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 1.https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Monasca/Transform | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 2.Reviews | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 1.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307963/ | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 2.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289675/ | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 3.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306621/ | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 4.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286281/ | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 5.https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:sporadic_metric | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 6.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310511/ | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | What I woudl like to cover first is monasca-transform | 15:02 |
| s-kawabata_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | we have a few folks form hpe that are here today | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | ashwin, ddyer and flinHP | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | flintHP | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | so, if we could cover that in the first half hour that woudl be good | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | then we can look at some fo the reviews that have been posted | 15:03 |
| bklei | +1 | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | #topic monasca-transform | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | so, i'll let ashwin and team introduce you to the project and what is being done | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | and then open up for questions | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | ashwin u have the floor | 15:04 |
| ashwin | hi all | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | hi ashwin | 15:04 |
| ashwin | we will do a walkthrough new project monasca-transform | 15:04 |
| ashwin | Blueprint is at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/monasca-transform | 15:04 |
| ashwin | More detailed design is on the wiki at : https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Monasca/Transform | 15:05 |
| ashwin | The main purpose of this project is to aggregate and transform metrics published to monasca's metrics topic in Kafka | 15:06 |
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| ashwin | and publish new aggregated metrics back to metrics topic in Kafka. | 15:07 |
| ddieterly | what use cases does it cover that can't be covered by the alarm definition language? | 15:07 |
| ashwin | There are several use cases which we can address e.g. aggregate individual metrics, combine multiple metrics to derive a new metric, find say a rate at which metric changes over a time interval etc | 15:08 |
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| witek | do you want to write back to the same topic? | 15:09 |
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| ddieterly | aggregrate individual metrics and combine multiple metrics to derive a new metric seem like functionality that already exists in monasca from the users point of view using existing tools/queries | 15:10 |
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| ashwin | yes the idea is aggregated metric is just like any other monasca metrics so you can set alarms etc on the aggregated metric | 15:10 |
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| ddieterly | find the rate and deriving metrics seem like new functionality | 15:10 |
| ddieterly | why was apache spark chosen instead of using storm? | 15:12 |
| ashwin | Deriving metrics using complex business logic For example consider the periodic heart beat metrics which come from a VM indicating what state the VM was in. One might have to look at how the state of VM changed over the target time interval and then use some business logic come up with a new metric which would indicate the amount of time that the VM was in a usable state | 15:13 |
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| mrhillsman | o/ | 15:14 |
| bklei | will this all be project-scoped/multi-tenant? | 15:15 |
| bklei | like for operators, as well as cloud customers? | 15:15 |
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| rhochmuth | aggregations can be defined based on any parameters | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | the project/tenant aggregations will be the normal one | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | for exampel calculating the number of swift bytes in/out per tenant | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | for metering/billing purposes | 15:16 |
| bklei | and operators can aggregate across all projects? | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | yes, i believe so | 15:17 |
| bklei | that would be good | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | i don't think that was the intended usage | 15:17 |
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| rhochmuth | but it is just code | 15:17 |
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| tomasztrebski | would I be able to compose mem.used_md with cpu.user_perc somehow with this ? | 15:17 |
| tomasztrebski | it that the case ? | 15:18 |
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| ashwin | yes our initial use cases involve aggregating metrics over entire cloud, by all hosts, by each host, by all projects etc | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | not sure that was a target, but i'm not sure what you mean by that | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | tomasz ^^^ | 15:18 |
| bklei | nice ashwin | 15:19 |
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| ashwin | yes you could for example get mem.total_mb metrics which are per host metrics and aggregate to get total available memory across all hosts | 15:19 |
| tomasztrebski | composite alarms - that's the name that at least read somewhere, the case is to compose two distinct metrics to say: trigger ALARM if cpu exceeds 50% and in the sime memory consumption goes above 70% | 15:19 |
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| rhochmuth | tomasz: that isn't the intended usage | 15:20 |
| tomasztrebski | mhm, thx | 15:20 |
| ericksonsantos | hello everyone o/ | 15:20 |
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| tomasztrebski | hmm...my reviewer from sporadic metrics :D, hello there :-) | 15:21 |
| iurygregory | hi people =) we are late sorry | 15:21 |
| ericksonsantos | tomasztrebski, haha | 15:21 |
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| rhochmuth | hi, we are in theprocess of reviewing the monasca-transform engine | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | let's stay focused for another 10 minutes | 15:21 |
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| iurygregory | tks for the update rhochmuth | 15:22 |
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| rhochmuth | then do intros and reivews | 15:22 |
| ashwin | We are planning on using Spark, Spark streaming on collecting set of metrics and use generic transformation components to run series of aggregation operations over a time interval and publish the metrics back to Kafka. | 15:22 |
| ashwin | all the components are written in python | 15:23 |
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| ashwin | All transformations will be data driven, and it should be possible to add new aggregation routines by configuration changes. | 15:23 |
| ashwin | Generic transformation components will be re-usable and easy to change, add new ones or make changes to existing ones | 15:24 |
| ashwin | Should be possible to write python unit tests to test each transformation, also series of transformations (transformation pipeline) can be tested. | 15:24 |
| ddieterly | was an evaluation done between spark and storm? monasca uses storm and the team has expertise in it. why was spark a better alternative to storm? | 15:24 |
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| slogan | Can I build the transform engine from code as well as from config? | 15:25 |
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| ddyer | spark was chosen for a couple of reasons: | 15:25 |
| slogan | Er, pipeline | 15:25 |
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| ddyer | 1. python support | 15:26 |
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| kamil_ | and monasca-ui will be extended to set/configure "new aggregations" ? | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | kamil_: there isn't an API at this time | 15:26 |
| ddyer | 2. we had previous experience with hadoop and spark supported a lot of the same mechanisms | 15:26 |
| ddyer | 3. it has a lot of momentum in terms of development and we wanted something others would be willing to invest in | 15:27 |
| witek | how much of the code is ready? the repo is empty | 15:28 |
| ddieterly | ddyer it would be good to update the wiki with those reasons so that people know why spark was chosen | 15:28 |
| ddyer | good idea | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | kamil_: so you can deploy the service and specify the transform via configuration and new metrics will be created | 15:28 |
| flintHP | we are in the process of preparing the code for submittal/review | 15:28 |
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| rhochmuth | witek: should be published soon | 15:28 |
| ashwin | we found the ability to write unit tests in python to test components really useful (vs hadoop where this was impossible) | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | so, we are kinda getting to the end of a 1/2 hour | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | should probably talk next stpes | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | steps | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | follow-up | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | the code will be submited for review | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | and then folks can start using it | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | and reviewing it | 15:30 |
| tomasztrebski | sweet :D | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | so, does anyone have any major issues with this code being submitted for review | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | and proceeding | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | would anyone like another session after reviewing the wiki | 15:31 |
| witek | please squash the commits :) | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | lol | 15:31 |
| ddieterly | we need to see it before we can make that determination | 15:31 |
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| slogan | :-) | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | so the code will end-up in the monasca-transform repo | 15:31 |
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| rhochmuth | as a single new review | 15:32 |
| ddieterly | we eagerly await your review for submission ;-) | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | so, do we want to discuss again next week any issues? | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | we can use gerrit for comments and other questions | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | so, i think that would be preferred right now | 15:33 |
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| tomasztrebski | +1 gerrit | 15:33 |
| flintHP | wow, we already have a +1 (grin) | 15:34 |
| ashwin | thank you everyone! | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, so ashwin and team please submit, and then we can review and discuss any subsequent follow-up | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | "submit the review" that is | 15:34 |
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| ashwin | sounds good thanks roland! | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | thanks ashwin et al | 15:35 |
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| ddieterly | roland is speaking latin again | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | the other topic listed on the agenda is reviews | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | #topic reviews | 15:36 |
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| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307963/ | 15:36 |
| bklei | that's me asking for status | 15:36 |
| bklei | fix metric-list limits | 15:36 |
| bklei | please to merge :) | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | yes, i think it is ready | 15:36 |
| bklei | this is a blocker for us at twc | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | the problem from last week was that there were several performance issues identified | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | rbarndt did a huge amount of testing and performance analysis last week | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | but i think it is ready to go now | 15:38 |
| bklei | last i heard from ryan brandt that he was ok now? | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | correct | 15:38 |
| rbrndt | yup | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289675/ | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | this one is also ready, jsut waiting on some more testing | 15:39 |
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| rhochmuth | actually I =2'd that one, but the merge didnt' go through | 15:39 |
| bklei | ok, rbak is excited to pull that in and make grafana changes | 15:39 |
| rbrndt | that one is based off the metrics-list fix | 15:39 |
| rbrndt | so need that first | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | right | 15:40 |
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| rhochmuth | i'll discuss after doen here, and possibly merge both | 15:40 |
| bklei | sweet | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306621/ | 15:40 |
| bklei | that's me | 15:41 |
| bklei | i think it's ready -- no oustanding comments | 15:41 |
| bklei | ovs plugin | 15:41 |
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| rhochmuth | can this be used in devstack | 15:41 |
| bklei | i need to stand up devstack again -- does it use ovs? | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | i don't know | 15:42 |
| bklei | i'll get the answer to that | 15:42 |
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| rhochmuth | has anyone else tested your plugin | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | all i can do at this point is a cursory review of code, ... | 15:43 |
| bklei | tested i'm not sure -- i have been getting comments from folks that seem like neutron people | 15:43 |
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| bklei | we've tested it at twc in the labe with and without HA routers | 15:44 |
| bklei | s/labe/lab | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | well, i'll take another look | 15:44 |
| bklei | cool | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | i asked some folks in hpe india that are looking at vswitch metrics | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | some of them left comments | 15:44 |
| bklei | aah, cool, that must be sonu and selvakumar | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | sonu yes | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | let's move on next review | 15:45 |
| shinya_kwbt_ | Openstak default is linuxbridge. I don't know devstack uses ovs. | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286281/ | 15:45 |
| bklei | thx shinya -- so this won't help devstack if that's the default | 15:46 |
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| bklei | oh -- that kv hint is mine too | 15:47 |
| rbrndt | I mentioned it in my comment, but I didn't see any differences in my testing of the hint | 15:47 |
| rbrndt | And exploring the queries we use it seems like vertica is already satisfying everything locally | 15:48 |
| rbrndt | It doesn't hurt anything though | 15:48 |
| bklei | yeah -- i think it'll free vertica resource/bandwidth up more than anything | 15:48 |
| bklei | according to artem at vertica -- the hint eliminates node chatter | 15:48 |
| slogan | Devstack supports ovs, I think the default networking is ovs | 15:49 |
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| shinya_kwbt_ | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/guides/neutron.html?highlight=openvswitch | 15:49 |
| clarkb | slogan: default is still nova network which does not use ovs, but if you enable neutron then the default for neutron is ovs | 15:49 |
| slogan | Just enable the q services, I might be able to help with a local.conf if needed | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | thanks shinya | 15:49 |
| slogan | Right clarkb | 15:50 |
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| slogan | Novas net ID something I've never used so to me neutron iscalways on :-) | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | so let's move on | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:sporadic_metric | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | tomasz, witek | 15:51 |
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| witek | Tomasz has moved the newest code to deterministic_alarm topic | 15:52 |
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| rhochmuth | i didn't get to review the latest round of changes | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | internet was out last night | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | but i heard that craig added comments | 15:52 |
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| witek | in sporadic_metric we have the additional sporadic field for metric, which can be persisted | 15:53 |
| witek | so we can see, what kind of metric we are getting | 15:53 |
| witek | is that functionality still useful after implementing deterministic_alarms? | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | it isn't required | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | as the deterministic_alarms are independent of sporadic metrics | 15:54 |
| tomasztrebski | roland, I forgot to add you as reviewer to the newest changes, that's fixed right now | 15:54 |
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| rhochmuth | you can apply a deterministic_alarm to either a periodic or sproadic metric | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | and it is done independently | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | the only use that the sproadic metrics have at this point are to supply additional information about metrics | 15:55 |
| witek | exactly | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | so it is still useful, but not required | 15:56 |
| tomasztrebski | well, not exactly, we could "propose" user to use non-deterministic alarm for sporadic metrics | 15:56 |
| tomasztrebski | directly in ui | 15:56 |
| tomasztrebski | obviously the checkox would be mutable, so user could proceed as he wishes | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | so, i t hink the question is whether we shoudl keep sporadic metrics too | 15:56 |
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| tomasztrebski | I think we should with having the case above in my head | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | i see | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | i was assuming it woudl be removed just to simplify | 15:57 |
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| ericksonsantos | tomasztrebski, +1 | 15:57 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, let me think about that some more | 15:57 |
| witek | ok, thanks Roland | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | i'll discuss with craig | 15:57 |
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| tomasztrebski | that'd be up to the user to decide if he want to accept "the proposition" - so the checkbox (or something, I haven't decided yet) would be mutable in monasca-ui | 15:58 |
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| tomasztrebski | ok, thx | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | tomasz: are you planning on python changes too | 15:58 |
| tomasztrebski | right now I am in middle of checking if I need to do anything for deterministic alarms | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | tomasz: also agree with last statements | 15:58 |
| tomasztrebski | till now I found one "bug" in monasca-api documentation :D | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | so, i think we've run out of time again | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | this is happenign a lot | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | do we need a longer time-slot or two meetings | 15:59 |
| tomasztrebski | a lot of interest in monasca :) | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | yup | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | that's good | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | i hate rushing through and skipping over stuff | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | we have a few folks that showed up today that we didnt' even get introduced | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, i need to close the meeting down | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | sorry foks | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | too much to discuss today | 16:00 |
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| iurygregory | nps ^^ | 16:00 |
| ericksonsantos | no problem, we can introduce ourselves in the next meeting. :) | 16:00 |
| witek | bye | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | i'll be in the openstack-monasca room | 16:01 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 16:01:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-05-11-15.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-05-11-15.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-05-11-15.00.log.html | 16:01 |
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| shinya_kwbt_ | bye | 16:01 |
| tomasztrebski | cya | 16:01 |
| hogepodge | #startmeeting defcore | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 16:01:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hogepodge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:01 |
| hogepodge | #topic roll call | 16:01 |
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| dwalleck | o/ | 16:01 |
| catherineD | o/ | 16:01 |
| luzC | o/ | 16:01 |
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| nikhil | o/ | 16:02 |
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| docaedo | o/ | 16:02 |
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| * docaedo can be here for the first half at least :) | 16:02 | |
| ametts | o/ | 16:02 |
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| hogepodge | This week and the next our esteemed co-chairs, eglute and markvoelker | 16:03 |
| hogepodge | won't be here | 16:03 |
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| hogepodge | Ok, let's start | 16:03 |
| hogepodge | #topic cycle naming | 16:03 |
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| hogepodge | Lunar won by one vote in our polling | 16:04 |
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| hogepodge | Thanks for everyone's suggestions and votes. | 16:04 |
| dwalleck | I finally won something! :) | 16:04 |
| hogepodge | #link results https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-7JQKSYLR/ | 16:04 |
| docaedo | sounds like a good opportunity to volunteer them for many tasks? | 16:04 |
| hogepodge | docaedo: definitely, they have a lot of +2's piling up :-D | 16:05 |
| hogepodge | dwalleck: \o/ | 16:05 |
| catherineD | Interesting I also vote for Lunar... How come there is only one vote? | 16:05 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: Hm, I'm wondering if it's a cache issue. | 16:06 |
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| gema | lunar has 8 votes, no? | 16:06 |
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| catherineD | nvm | 16:06 |
| gema | at least on my screen | 16:06 |
| catherineD | oh won by 1 vote | 16:06 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: I think it caches the results if you've voted. | 16:06 |
| catherineD | not only one vote my mistake | 16:06 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: ah, ok. | 16:06 |
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| hogepodge | moving on | 16:07 |
| hogepodge | #topic Interoperability, APIs, Branding, and Beyond. | 16:07 |
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| hogepodge | nikhil: this was your topic | 16:07 |
| nikhil | o/ | 16:07 |
| shamail | Sorry for being late. | 16:07 |
| nikhil | There are some services that are using internal only APIs (meant for admin) to manipulate image data. | 16:07 |
| nikhil | This results in loosely coupling of the image information with the image data. | 16:08 |
| nikhil | questions: | 16:08 |
| nikhil | 1) How can we come up with definition of an Image in openstack? | 16:08 |
| nikhil | 2) Do I need to invest time to research what all projects comsuming glance are not assuming incorrect constructs and possibly improve documentation? | 16:08 |
| nikhil | interop if our #1 priority so I want to ensure we do all the right things | 16:08 |
| * nikhil done | 16:08 | |
| nikhil | or do I need to start a ML thread on this? | 16:10 |
| VanL | nikhil: I think the docs should be clear on what is the "correct" way to deal with an image, especially if there are multiple ways to do so | 16:10 |
| hogepodge | It seems like 1 should be easy. An image is a set of files (in the case where kernel and ramdisk are provided seperately) that can successfully boot on a given hypervisor. Naturally, an image that can boot in one cloud may not be able to boot in another given implementation details. | 16:10 |
| hogepodge | So, it would be nice for that information to be discoverable. | 16:11 |
| nikhil | VanL: noted | 16:12 |
| nikhil | hogepodge: hmm, I think there are a few gotchas to it. | 16:12 |
| nikhil | for example, a full template like vmware instance template or ovf may not be an image if we think in terms of glance | 16:12 |
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| dwalleck | Since image files have a type, could that be used to determine if an image works for a given cloud? | 16:12 |
| nikhil | for but industry standards it should be to support say some sort of certification | 16:13 |
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| nikhil | dwalleck: we want to support that as pluggable way in the import mechanism so that more info can be given to a user | 16:13 |
| nikhil | but there are some cases when the volumes (stored as images) in glance are | 16:13 |
| hogepodge | a pluggable import mechanism needs to be discoverable | 16:14 |
| VanL | I wonder if we are getting ahead of ourselves here. I'm not sure we want to be so heavyweight at the moment. | 16:14 |
| dwalleck | Nikhil: ++ to the idea of discoverability | 16:14 |
| nikhil | stored as meta information and sometimes the flatenning happesn behind the scenes as there are assumptions on how the glance_store utility driver is supported | 16:14 |
| hogepodge | more so, plugins needs to pass the defined test suite | 16:15 |
| nikhil | hogepodge: the API will be fine | 16:15 |
| VanL | RIght now, I think the first course would be to look at the APIs and their usage (both by projects, by implementations, and how you consider to be "correct" going forward) and try to come up with a clear way of communicating about what is expected by clients. | 16:15 |
| nikhil | hogepodge: what you get out of an image may or may not be. I may need to do more research on this. | 16:15 |
| hogepodge | It's not ok to let plugins be defined to do whatever they want with arbitrarily defined inputs and outputs. That works directly against api interoperability. | 16:15 |
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| nikhil | hogepodge: the plugins would be simplistic and will not impact the API. | 16:16 |
| hogepodge | We face an uphill battle with differences in image formats | 16:16 |
| VanL | I think any discussions around images should be driven by identified differences and how they affect the API (VIO/Xen/KVM differences) | 16:16 |
| hogepodge | nikhil: it will if the plugins can be arbitrary. | 16:16 |
| nikhil | VanL: I need to evaluate right now if we need to work hard on supporting a API for services like Nova so that they can use the right way of doing things. | 16:17 |
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| hogepodge | nikhil: using cinder as an example, the user-facing api doesn't change when the driver plugin changes | 16:17 |
| nikhil | (or wait another 3 years to get that support added) | 16:17 |
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| nikhil | hogepodge: no, the API won | 16:17 |
| nikhil | won't* | 16:17 |
| nikhil | hogepodge: I can go over the import spec on why not later if needed. | 16:18 |
| catherineD | Fron interop point of view, image should be something that customers can bring to an OpenStack cloud. Which may be a package like ovf a a file in different format ... more important is what does OpenStack core APIs support | 16:18 |
| dwalleck | hodgepodge: As long as every backend supports every API facing action, then that's true | 16:18 |
| hogepodge | nikhil: to be honest, I'd like for us to stop using the nova proxy api, and we're in a place where we can start moving in that direction by requiring the direct apis and deprecating the compute-image apis (of which a large number are flagged because of proxy issues) | 16:18 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: ++ | 16:19 |
| nikhil | hogepodge: This discussion is separate from the Nova proxy API which are read only (user facing). Write (snapshots) are handled at the virt level. | 16:19 |
| nikhil | I am talking about the right way the different virt drivers use to upload data to glance -- which is drastically different for each driver. | 16:19 |
| catherineD | nikhil: different way means different APIs? | 16:20 |
| nikhil | catherineD: glance cannot support ovf completely today. (Technical limitations) | 16:20 |
| nikhil | catherineD: for example: | 16:20 |
| hogepodge | nikhil: isn't it in the scope of glance and the cross project work to make sure the backends work? I'm confused about what you're asking for | 16:20 |
| nikhil | some drivers are using location_add to "directly set" a location on an image | 16:21 |
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| catherineD | nikhil: understand that ovf is not support .. we need to concentrate on the format that OpenStack supports today | 16:21 |
| catherineD | as our concentration is trailing ... | 16:21 |
| hogepodge | nikhil: who writes the drivers? | 16:22 |
| nikhil | hogepodge: at the summit a issue of "0 sized" images came up; this means that the location magic is used to make the copy on write work for volume snapshots. | 16:22 |
| nikhil | catherineD: ok, thanks for that clarification. | 16:22 |
| nikhil | hogepodge: the virt drivers are in Nova. | 16:22 |
| hogepodge | So it's a cross project issue? | 16:23 |
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| nikhil | hogepodge: on 0 sized images, I need more research on what a end user will get back when they do image-download. We have to rely on individual drivers to do the right thing. | 16:23 |
| hogepodge | nikhil: can you write up a summary of these issues and how they impact the api and interoperability and sent it to the mailing list? It seems like this is going to be a deeper discussion than we might have time for. | 16:23 |
| nikhil | hogepodge: if a image is uploaded through nova virt driver in a way it becomes unusable to end user and there are assumptions on it being usable to just internal deployment, I need to do more research on it. Personally, I DO NOT want this to be GLance | 16:24 |
| catherineD | To me volume snapshot won;t be a enduser support unless it can be downloaded ... and upload to a different OpenStack clouds. | 16:24 |
| nikhil | GLance's responsibility. | 16:24 |
| nikhil | hogepodge: ok, thanks. So, I take it we need initial research. | 16:25 |
| nikhil | (meaning we do care about interop beyond the APIs) | 16:25 |
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| hogepodge | nikhil: so it the upshot that snapshot shouldn't be required as a capability? | 16:25 |
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| nikhil | hogepodge: I am just asking for standardizing/documenting best practices and something that won't make glance responsible (as it may appear so). | 16:26 |
| nikhil | (snapshot seems like a important capability) | 16:26 |
| catherineD | snapshot should be a required feature but the image of the image of the snapshot maynot be | 16:27 |
| hogepodge | standardizing/documenting best practices for what? | 16:27 |
| nikhil | snapshot | 16:27 |
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| VanL | nikhil: Regardless of it being important, is it sufficiently widely supported, necessary, etc to be *required* at all times in all OpenStack clouds? | 16:27 |
| catherineD | that means a particular env should support snapshot but the image of the snapshot may not be transfered to a diff environment | 16:27 |
| VanL | That is the question that needs to be answered. | 16:28 |
| hogepodge | that's very much a technical issue. If snapshot isn't available as a working and interoperable feature, that's guidance we need to use in determining the capabilities | 16:28 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: that's ok, because OpenStack will never have what I would call binary compatibility | 16:28 |
| gema | hogepodge: but then people wont' be able to literally "move their workloads" | 16:29 |
| nikhil | I can take more of this offline. | 16:29 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: we need to test that an env can create and boot the created snapshot on same env | 16:29 |
| catherineD | gema: workload is something predefine but snapshot is the capturing of something at the moment ... | 16:30 |
| hogepodge | gema: we lost that when we allowed for choice of hypervisor. Your application code should still be portable, but the images you boot aren't. Now, it's not as bad as you might think. Infra is using dib to create one image then transform it into the expected formats for different clouds | 16:30 |
| gema | hogepodge, catherineD: ok, sounds reasonable | 16:30 |
| catherineD | it would be nice to support transferable snapshot but that would be a more advance feature and shoud not be core | 16:31 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: +1 | 16:31 |
| gema | yep | 16:31 |
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| hogepodge | nikhil: can I give you an action item to write a summary for the mailing list? | 16:32 |
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| nikhil | hogepodge: please do | 16:32 |
| hogepodge | #action nikhil write glance issues summary for defcore mailing list | 16:33 |
| hogepodge | Anything else on this topic? | 16:33 |
| nikhil | none, I do have a bit of overlap in the next topic | 16:33 |
| nikhil | but that can be no-op from the defcore team | 16:33 |
| hogepodge | sure, I kind of merged the two topics together, so we can move on to your next section | 16:34 |
| nikhil | ok, thanks | 16:34 |
| nikhil | I will ask next set of questions then | 16:34 |
| nikhil | 3. Do we need to account for all the internal usage of glance in services as interop is meant for end users? | 16:34 |
| nikhil | 4. As per Mark’s blog we _could_ have more than one API for same operation so for nova we want to keep the old API for POST + PUT that streams data to glance nodes and is not as complicated as newer import API | 16:35 |
| * nikhil done | 16:35 | |
| nikhil | So, I can chat a bit more on these things: | 16:37 |
| nikhil | i) the RefStack testing will expect the interoperable API to exist in clouds. We can be clear on communicating that. | 16:37 |
| hogepodge | On 3, defcore is concerned with public facing, non-admin apis. One would hope the public-facing apis are durable to internal implementation details. If that durability isn't there it's a problem for choosing those apis for interoperability | 16:37 |
| catherineD | To me , APIs that are end user facing should be accounted for interop ... anything internal should be cloud configuration options | 16:37 |
| nikhil | hogepodge: are _all_ APIs expected to be so. (I'm assuming yes) | 16:39 |
| VanL | +1 catherineD -- and *should not be used* in any tests required for interop | 16:39 |
| nikhil | ? | 16:39 |
| catherineD | That mean we need to carefully choose the must-pass tests to matches the internal and external API used | 16:39 |
| catherineD | VanL: yea | 16:39 |
| hogepodge | To 4, having more than one API is problematic, because if you offer n apis you'll have n choices. My opinion is that, under guidance from the TC, project leaders, and deployers, we pick APIs that we would expect every cloud to have. that creates an environment where app and sdk developers have guidance as to which API they can expect | 16:39 |
| nikhil | hogepodge: what if it's a technical limitation (or something too complex)? | 16:40 |
| hogepodge | nikhil: what is the technical limitation? | 16:40 |
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| hogepodge | VanL: the internal choice of a hypervisor bleeds through. You have to provide a bootable image, which is a config detail. Are you suggesting that DefCore just give up on image api completely? | 16:41 |
| nikhil | hogepodge: it may take a few mins to discuss that. if we want to discuss it I can arrange for a more high bandwidth communication channel? | 16:41 |
| catherineD | nikhil: would the technical limitation applied due to a certion configuration options? | 16:41 |
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| hogepodge | nikhil: it is also a good candidate for the mailing list. We're at 15 minutes remaining and I wanted to make sure we had time for the next topic since we didn't get to it last week. | 16:42 |
| nikhil | catherineD: It will be hard to type it all here without creating more confusion. | 16:42 |
| nikhil | hogepodge: ok, thanks. I may take a week to get that done if it's ok? | 16:42 |
| nikhil | (too much churn happening in glance atm) | 16:42 |
| VanL | hogepodge: If the end result would be "All clouds must be KVM" then that is not workable. | 16:43 |
| hogepodge | nikhil: sure, we want to make sure we have a thorough understanding of the issues | 16:43 |
| nikhil | hogepodge: ok, thanks. | 16:43 |
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| hogepodge | VanL: that isn't the case right now. the test fixtures are configurable to take that into account | 16:43 |
| catherineD | nikhil: thx for bringing up the topics here ... | 16:43 |
| nikhil | anytime! | 16:44 |
| hogepodge | nikhil: thank you. We really appreciate it. | 16:44 |
| nikhil | (I'm just planning the cycle milestones & mine) | 16:44 |
| nikhil | hogepodge: right back at ya. | 16:44 |
| hogepodge | Ok, are we ok to move on to the next topic and take the larger discussion to the mailing list? | 16:44 |
| nikhil | yes, thx | 16:45 |
| hogepodge | #topic Test spec | 16:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Test spec (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:45 | |
| hogepodge | gema: you've been the lead on this | 16:45 |
| gema | I am working on a commit that I plan to submit on Friday and I have a couple of questions | 16:45 |
| gema | dwalleck: do you have any extra input from your analysis that you'd like me to consider? | 16:46 |
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| dwalleck | gema: Not at the moment. I think a lot of points ended up getting discussed in the etherpad over the atomicity point | 16:47 |
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| gema | dwalleck: ok, sounds good | 16:47 |
| gema | is the spec supposed to cover API design guidelines? | 16:47 |
| gema | because some of the discussion in the etherpad seems to point towards that | 16:47 |
| gema | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreSpec-draft | 16:48 |
| gema | things like: Prefer Basic REST CRUD operations: Create, Read, Update, Delete? | 16:48 |
| dwalleck | gema: There is an API working group who puts out standards for OpenStack APIs | 16:48 |
| gema | do we need to point that out on a test spec? | 16:48 |
| gema | dwalleck: so we don't need to cover that | 16:49 |
| catherineD | gema: I think the discussion is about API testing guidelines not API design | 16:49 |
| gema | catherineD: cool, because I was about to leave that part blank, I don't feel qualified to write it :) | 16:49 |
| gema | ok, I have all I need then | 16:49 |
| gema | hogepodge: thanks | 16:49 |
| hogepodge | On this topic, does anyone want to add anything else? | 16:50 |
| dwalleck | gema: I think the functionality of many of the APIs kind of looks like CRUD, but there's often more | 16:50 |
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| gema | dwalleck: yeah, I figured as much that is why I didn't want to get into that | 16:51 |
| gema | on a test spec | 16:51 |
| dwalleck | gotcha | 16:51 |
| * dwalleck didn't sleep so is a bit out of it | 16:51 | |
| hogepodge | Ok, we'll move on. Please update the etherpad if you have more comments. | 16:51 |
| hogepodge | gema: thanks for working on this, and let us know if you need anything else to help out | 16:52 |
| gema | hogepodge: will do, thanks | 16:52 |
| hogepodge | #topic TC Resolutions | 16:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "TC Resolutions (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:52 | |
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| hogepodge | There's been quite a bit of good discussion on the mailing list regarding the resolutions. | 16:52 |
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| hogepodge | The TC will be voting on them no earlier than the May 24 meeting. | 16:53 |
| hogepodge | relevant links | 16:53 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312718/ | 16:53 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312719/ | 16:53 |
| hogepodge | #link Discussion http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/defcore-committee/2016-May/001095.html | 16:54 |
| hogepodge | Any comments or feedback? | 16:54 |
| hogepodge | Moving on | 16:54 |
| hogepodge | #topic Interoperability Issues Report | 16:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Interoperability Issues Report (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:55 | |
| hogepodge | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreInteropReport | 16:55 |
| hogepodge | Reminder to vote on issues, contribute thoughts, or add new issues. | 16:55 |
| hogepodge | Mark and Egle are looking to winnow that list down to 5. | 16:56 |
| hogepodge | #topic Work Items | 16:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Work Items (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:56 | |
| hogepodge | The remainder of the agenda is largely work items from the previous meeting and Austin summit. | 16:56 |
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| hogepodge | In the remaining minutes, if anyone has updates please feel free to let us know. | 16:57 |
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| dwalleck | I've been buried since I came back from the summit, just starting to dig back out | 16:58 |
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| hogepodge | I had burst of work, then also got delayed with other things. Turning my attention back to a number of items though, so expect new patches. | 16:58 |
| hogepodge | Ok, let's call it a meeting. | 16:58 |
| hogepodge | Thanks everyone! | 16:59 |
| dwalleck | thanks! | 16:59 |
| gema | thanks! | 16:59 |
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| hogepodge | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 16:59:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-05-11-16.01.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-05-11-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-05-11-16.01.log.html | 16:59 |
| catherineD | thank! bye! | 16:59 |
| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 17:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 17:00 |
| doffm | o/ | 17:00 |
| alaski | bauzas: ping | 17:00 |
| alaski | cool, let's get going | 17:00 |
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| alaski | #topic Testing | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Testing (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:01 | |
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| mriedem | o/ | 17:01 |
| alaski | no breaks on v1 that I can see | 17:01 |
| alaski | and the cell job caught something dansmith tried to sneak by which would break it | 17:01 |
| alaski | so huzzah | 17:01 |
| mriedem | he's so sneaky | 17:01 |
| melwitt | nice | 17:01 |
| dansmith | heh | 17:01 |
| alaski | I don't see ctrath so we'll skip talking about v2 testing | 17:02 |
| * bauzas lurks | 17:02 | |
| mriedem | ccarmack you mean | 17:02 |
| alaski | woops | 17:02 |
| mriedem | but yeah | 17:02 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:02 |
| alaski | #topic Open Reviews | 17:02 |
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| alaski | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 17:02 |
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| alaski | plenty of things to look at | 17:03 |
| alaski | I think most of us here have series up, we should take a moment to look at someone elses | 17:03 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:03 | |
| mriedem | should probably add the keypair stuff to that | 17:03 |
| alaski | mriedem: yes | 17:03 |
| bauzas | Yup please | 17:03 |
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| alaski | #action alaski add keypair patches to review priorities if someone doesn't beat me to it | 17:04 |
| mriedem | you slackers are all supposed to be reivewing api-ref stuff today too | 17:04 |
| mriedem | shame! | 17:04 |
| dansmith | I have to add a fake test for mriedem first | 17:04 |
| alaski | ok | 17:04 |
| dansmith | the bottom patch is already +W | 17:05 |
| dansmith | but give me a bit after this meeting and I'll have it ready | 17:05 |
| alaski | I don't have any items on the agenda for open discussion, but I do have some questions for folks | 17:05 |
| alaski | dansmith: you and jay had a pow wow on migrating stuff to the cell db | 17:05 |
| alaski | can you share the gist of the plan? | 17:05 |
| dansmith | well, | 17:06 |
| bauzas | Pow wow ? | 17:06 |
| alaski | by stuff I mean inventory and resource type things | 17:06 |
| dansmith | he pasted some of it into the channel, I just came up with a few steps, | 17:06 |
| alaski | bauzas: they sat around a campfire and discussed, metaphorically | 17:06 |
| dansmith | but the thing I had that was more concerning is that .. if we move inventory to the api, | 17:06 |
| dansmith | then we've got the cells making an upcall to the api db to write that information, | 17:06 |
| dansmith | which I don't like | 17:06 |
| dansmith | longer term we'll be making a REST call to the api to manage those things, which is better | 17:06 |
| alaski | yea | 17:07 |
| bauzas | I agree it's a sad thing | 17:07 |
| alaski | but that longer term is actually getting approachable right? | 17:07 |
| dansmith | yes | 17:07 |
| doffm | The upcall is short lived. hopefully. | 17:07 |
| dansmith | so we'll have to do it in the short term of course | 17:07 |
| dansmith | I just want to make sure we don't let it go longer than we need | 17:07 |
| alaski | okay | 17:08 |
| doffm | dansmith: What about instance groups? I presume we just move all of those up in to the API as well? | 17:08 |
| bauzas | Because it's the compute manager save thing ? | 17:08 |
| doffm | I don't think there is an upcall there. | 17:08 |
| dansmith | doffm: actually I want to move those into the fire, but... | 17:08 |
| bauzas | I mean the RT | 17:08 |
| alaski | dansmith: that basically ties scheduler work into cellsv2 a bit, so I may divert my energy in that direction to help out if needed | 17:08 |
| alaski | doffm: my understanding was that anything that's purely for scheduling would move to the api db | 17:09 |
| alaski | which is actually a lot of what Nova keeps in the db | 17:10 |
| dansmith | alaski: yeah, we're definitely getting into the intersection area at this point | 17:10 |
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| bauzas | that's because the compute nodes need to update somehow the DB for the scheduler, right | 17:10 |
| bauzas | so, if we have an scheduler DB, then... | 17:10 |
| doffm | There was some discussion from johnthetubaguy about leaving some of the instance groups in the cell. (InstanceGroupHostMappingThing). But i'll presume its all going to api. | 17:10 |
| doffm | For now. | 17:11 |
| bauzas | without really needing yet a REST API call | 17:11 |
| bauzas | so, my thoughts are | 17:11 |
| bauzas | 1/ do an upcall for Newton | 17:11 |
| alaski | doffm: +1 for presuming | 17:11 |
| bauzas | 2/ discuss on any need for a sched DB in Ocata | 17:11 |
| bauzas | 3/ implement if so, or wait for the REST call | 17:11 |
| dansmith | bauzas: no, it's really 1. do the upcall now, 2. get a REST call very soon, 3. the rest | 17:12 |
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| alaski | 4/ think of a new db to split out next | 17:12 |
| dansmith | the split and db stuff can come later, we should have the rest call ASAP so that we're decoupled regardless | 17:12 |
| alaski | +1 | 17:12 |
| bauzas | dansmith: well, it needs a placement client first, right? plus the fact we need to have old n-1 computes having that | 17:12 |
| bauzas | dansmith: which means the upcall is N+O right? | 17:12 |
| dansmith | it needs some isolation | 17:12 |
| alaski | part of the REST work would be a client | 17:12 |
| dansmith | I think we might get the REST bit done in newton, which would mean we could split or do other things in O | 17:13 |
| bauzas | I assume the compute services using that placement client if so | 17:13 |
| alaski | and computes don't call the scheduler | 17:13 |
| alaski | nvm, you may be talking about updates | 17:13 |
| bauzas | they actually call "a scheduler client" | 17:13 |
| bauzas | so the problem is really with upgrades | 17:13 |
| bauzas | because we already have that facade | 17:14 |
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| alaski | if we get a new API and computes using a new client in N, the scheduler keeps supporting current mechanisms in N, then in O we can drop all of that right? | 17:15 |
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| dansmith | yar | 17:15 |
| bauzas | alaski: yeah, but that means 1.5 milestones for both implementing the REST API and the client :) | 17:15 |
| bauzas | (and approving the spec) | 17:16 |
| mriedem | bauzas: you better get to work then | 17:16 |
| mriedem | it's definitely a stretch | 17:16 |
| bauzas | mriedem: heh, that's the exact reason why I threw off my api-ref duty | 17:16 |
| bauzas | in order to make my non-prio BPs done first before helping | 17:17 |
| alaski | bauzas: you're more up to date on scheduling plans, are there dependencies that have to happen before working on the REST stuff? | 17:17 |
| mriedem | we have to get this spec approved for one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300176/ | 17:17 |
| alaski | or anyone who knows | 17:17 |
| mriedem | i haven't reviewed the updates since monday | 17:17 |
| mriedem | but i'm told jay and chris are on the same page | 17:17 |
| bauzas | alaski: the generic-resource-pools spec is kinda not needing deps | 17:17 |
| dansmith | shall we move on? | 17:18 |
| alaski | okay | 17:18 |
| dansmith | I'm hangry and looking for this to move along :) | 17:18 |
| alaski | alright | 17:18 |
| alaski | from my end I'm finishing up docs for my policy changes, and then I'm done with that except for review feedback | 17:18 |
| bauzas | alaski: apart the tables move to the API DB and the policy stuff you volunteered | 17:18 |
| dansmith | alaski: are you working on quota migration? | 17:19 |
| alaski | doffm: are you pretty set on the direction of your specs or are there things to discuss here? | 17:19 |
| alaski | dansmith: I am not | 17:19 |
| doffm | alaski: Pretty set. | 17:19 |
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| dansmith | alaski: why for/ | 17:19 |
| alaski | dansmith: does that need someone? | 17:19 |
| dansmith | alaski: it doesn't need someone, it needs _you_ | 17:19 |
| alaski | heh | 17:19 |
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| melwitt | was that supposed to be a question mark again | 17:20 |
| dansmith | melwitt: yeah | 17:20 |
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| alaski | I'm still pushing on reworking scheduling for cells, but I'll look at quotas as well | 17:20 |
| doffm | Actually.... I'll ask about the quota spec. | 17:20 |
| doffm | mriedem and alaski gave me some feedback on how quotas should be migrated. | 17:20 |
| doffm | By putting the migration code in the quota db driver. | 17:21 |
| doffm | Is that how we want to do things this cycle? Quick and dirty. :) | 17:21 |
| doffm | Fix things in this code later. | 17:21 |
| mriedem | yes | 17:21 |
| alaski | yeah, we can't wait on fixing quotas | 17:21 |
| doffm | Ok, will update spec with that feedback this afternoon. | 17:21 |
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| mriedem | also, fyi, i'm overly full of pizza right now | 17:22 |
| doffm | Me too. | 17:22 |
| doffm | And mountain dew. | 17:22 |
| mriedem | and oreos | 17:22 |
| bauzas | oh man | 17:22 |
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| alaski | you're going to make dansmith jealous | 17:22 |
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| dansmith | so .. hungry | 17:23 |
| mriedem | that's the idea | 17:23 |
| alaski | I don't have anything else though, so if nobody has a topic | 17:23 |
| bauzas | fortunately, I already ate | 17:23 |
| mriedem | i've heard that snickers really satisfies | 17:23 |
| alaski | me too | 17:23 |
| alaski | alright, thanks everyone | 17:23 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:23 |
| bauzas | ++ | 17:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 17:23:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-05-11-17.00.html | 17:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-05-11-17.00.txt | 17:23 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting Horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 20:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| itxaka | o/ | 20:00 |
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| david-lyle | robcresswell had other engagements so you're stuck with me | 20:00 |
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| tsufiev | o/ | 20:01 |
| hurgleburgler | (◠‿◠✿)ノ | 20:01 |
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| david-lyle | another large crowd ;) | 20:01 |
| bpokorny | o/ | 20:02 |
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| david-lyle | and two look familiar from 12 hours ago | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | let's get started | 20:02 |
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| david-lyle | The agenda for today can be found at | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon#Agenda_for_2016-05-11_2000_UTC | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | there are a couple of notices | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | one the bug report is updated | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Horizon/WeeklyBugReport | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | with some bugs and bps currently targeted | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | so take a look and prioritize appropriately | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | 2nd notice is about the midcycle | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | a poll for dates is: | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | #link http://doodle.com/poll/xvchsbbs4qz9tzr7 | 20:05 |
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| david-lyle | if you plan on attending please vote with your availability | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | I'm not entirely sure the where | 20:05 |
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| hurgleburgler | the where might dictate the ability to attend | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | right | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | it was not in the email to the ML either | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | just checked | 20:06 |
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| david-lyle | #action robcresswell tells us where we're going for midcycle | 20:06 |
| tsufiev | robcreswell mentioned that it may be San Francisco | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | ok | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | that's it for notices and agenda | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | #topic Open Discussion | 20:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Horizon)" | 20:08 | |
| bpokorny | Does anyone know what's going on with the integration tests lately? | 20:08 |
| tsufiev | hopefully once https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315050/ is merged we should get much fewer failures | 20:08 |
| bpokorny | Great. Thanks, tsufiev. | 20:09 |
| tsufiev | but if it's not, here is an etherpad we're going to update to keep track of actual failures: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-integration-tests-failures | 20:09 |
| tsufiev | I find it easier to use than kibana | 20:09 |
| tsufiev | categorize failures, see how frequent they are etc | 20:10 |
| bpokorny | ok, good to know. | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: what about elastic recheck? | 20:10 |
| tsufiev | current form is not final, may adjust it to our needs | 20:10 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, what's the usual workflow with elastic recheck that may help us in navigating in different failures? | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | if you put those signatures in elastic recheck, you would get a count on the failure numbers and the notice when it fails on the patch in gerrit | 20:11 |
| tsufiev | I mean I'm not very familiar with ER facilities that really help finding out root causes... | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | and an entry on here http://status.openstack.org//elastic-recheck/ | 20:12 |
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| tsufiev | okay, I'll try it :) | 20:12 |
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| david-lyle | it's more about quantifying the failures and assess if they actually went away | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | just something for the future | 20:13 |
| tsufiev | thanks, I have to eventually get used to these big data helpers | 20:13 |
| tsufiev | my first impression with kibana wasn't very... friendly | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | the second thing to check is http://status.openstack.org//openstack-health/#/g/project/openstack~2Fhorizon?groupKey=project&resolutionKey=hour&end=2016-05-11T20:13:19.115Z | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | but for some reason the failures are not showing up for integration jobs | 20:14 |
| tsufiev | hehe | 20:15 |
| tsufiev | you see, the job is fine :) | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | so that might be worth checking into | 20:15 |
| clarkb | kibana is a giant blobof js, I hear horizonay know how to workwith that >_> | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | it's all an illusion clarkb | 20:16 |
| tsufiev | being a developer doesn't mean we all know how to fix an electric kettle :) | 20:16 |
| clarkb | kibana 3 is all client side and kibana 4 is node.js | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | from bad to worse | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | :) | 20:16 |
| itxaka | lool | 20:16 |
| clarkb | we currently run 3 | 20:17 |
| tsufiev | so the integration job fix just merged | 20:17 |
| tsufiev | if you still encounter any failures in check job, just rebase your work onto latest master | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: was it only failing in check? | 20:18 |
| * tsufiev crosses fingers | 20:18 | |
| david-lyle | that would explain health not showing failures | 20:18 |
| hurgleburgler | thanks tsufiev | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | but seems odd | 20:18 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, AFAIK, gate job always runs against latest master, but check is run for topic branches which may not be up to date | 20:18 |
| tsufiev | no, failures were in both pipelines | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | ok, that makes more sense | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | your phrasing confused me | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | but I started in that direction ;) | 20:19 |
| tsufiev | yeah, I fancy being cryptic sometimes :) | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | since we don't have a blueprint for this, as blueprints don't really track CP stuff | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | I have created a tempest plugin for horizon | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | it's merged and there is a new test job that runs on check which isn't voting | 20:20 |
| tsufiev | btw, I've noticed that there were some tempest failures as well | 20:20 |
| tsufiev | cannot give a specific link though | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | I'm finalizing the job setup, once that's ready and passing, we can run that on gate as well | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | and remove our test from integrated tempest | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | then we can move forward with upper-constraints and new xstatic packages | 20:22 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, or the thing you're speaking about is not related to dsvm-tempest job? | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: no | 20:22 |
| tsufiev | :o | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | well, gate-horizon-dsvm-tempest-plugin | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | job | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | is that what you're referring to? | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | the job isn't doing much yet, I have another patch up that I am testing out | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314795/ | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | anyway, just a status report | 20:24 |
| tsufiev | I think yes | 20:24 |
| tsufiev | well, never mind, if it wasn't voting yet, then I most likely confused it with something else | 20:25 |
| tsufiev | as that thing was voting | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | ok | 20:25 |
| tsufiev | when you look into many failures, they start looking into you :/ | 20:26 |
| itxaka | umm talking about failures and gate | 20:26 |
| itxaka | did someone saw michael's email referring to npm mirrors? | 20:26 |
| itxaka | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094719.html | 20:26 |
| itxaka | project I guess? | 20:27 |
| itxaka | agh, cut phrase | 20:27 |
| tsufiev | now I did :) | 20:27 |
| itxaka | we are supposed to add the nam mirrors to the project I guess | 20:27 |
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| david-lyle | I tried it locally | 20:28 |
| tsufiev | could we just change npm job builders? | 20:28 |
| itxaka | ahh, now I am reading it properly lmao | 20:29 |
| itxaka | its just to test it locally and report any errors, nothing to do with touching the project | 20:29 |
| itxaka | sorry for the noise | 20:29 |
| * itxaka retreats | 20:29 | |
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| david-lyle | any other items? | 20:31 |
| ducttape_ | so we get to ignore all test jobs, then? great. let's move forward ;) | 20:31 |
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| tsufiev | wat :)? | 20:32 |
| ducttape_ | just trolling / kidding | 20:32 |
| * david-lyle thinks ducttape_ misread something | 20:32 | |
| TravT | david-lyle what's the net result of all this? | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | TravT: this? | 20:33 |
| TravT | ^^^ | 20:33 |
| TravT | last 15 mins | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | status update | 20:33 |
| ducttape_ | that there are a lot of test jobs failing / getting fixed. it's getting better very soon | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | integration tests should be working better | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | plans for xstatic upgrades moving forward | 20:34 |
| * TravT will send thank you card to david-lyle | 20:34 | |
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| david-lyle | there is an npm mirror that will reduce failures and fragility in npm dependent tests | 20:34 |
| tsufiev | one more reason to come by the end of meeting :) | 20:35 |
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| david-lyle | any other items? | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | any hasty decisions to make? | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | going twice | 20:37 |
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| * TravT sold | 20:37 | |
| david-lyle | Have a banner week folks. Keep slinging that cloud. | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 20:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:37 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 20:37:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-05-11-20.00.html | 20:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-05-11-20.00.txt | 20:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-05-11-20.00.log.html | 20:37 |
| bpokorny | Thanks, david-lyle. | 20:37 |
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