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sc`#startmeeting openstack_chef16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon May 23 16:00:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sc`. Information about MeetBot at
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sc`doesn't seem like anyone else is around for the meeting. going to call it16:10
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jroll#startmeeting ironic17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon May 23 17:00:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at
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jrollhi everyone17:00
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jrollas always, our agenda is here:17:00
jrolllet's jump in17:00
jroll#topic announcements and reminders17:00
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jrollreminder to take the midcycle dates poll by next monday17:01
jrollalso, we had a green grenade run last week \o/17:01
jrollhuge thanks to all working on that17:01
jrolldoes anyone else have announcements or reminders?17:01
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jlvillalJust big kudos to both vsaienko and vdrok for all their work on Grenade :)17:02
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jroll#topic subteam status reports17:03
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jrollas always these are on the whiteboard:17:03
jrollstarting around line 7617:03
* jroll gives people time to review17:03
* dtantsur forgot about bug stats, will update soon17:03
jrollnot many surprises here17:04
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jlvillalIf people don't know. We have gotten a Grenade run to pass in the gate. With about 15 un-merged patches. But it did pass :)17:04
devanandalet's get those patches landed, then!17:04
JayFCan those patches be consolidated somewhere so we can all review them?17:04
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jrollI think there's a topic for them17:05
vsaienkoJayF: they are consolidated
jlvillalYep. We will need to work on cleaning them up. They do span multiple projects. But there are a few in Ironic that we can get in probably relatively quickly17:05
* dtantsur updated17:05
devanandathiagop: you can use a topic name in gerrit like a tag17:05
JayFvsaienko: thanks! I'll have a look17:05
lucasagomesjlvillal, w00t that's fantastic!17:05
thiagopdevananda: real tags would be great though17:05
lucasagomesgood stuff vsaienko vdrok (and all others involved)17:06
thiagopbtw, great job guys!17:06
TheJuliaThank you guys!17:06
* jlvillal will be spending today going through the various Grenade related patches.17:06
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mgouldvsaienko++ vdrok++17:06
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vdrokjlvillal: will do17:07
vdrokthanks to you all too :)17:07
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jrollanything else on this topic?17:08
jrollI'll bring up JayF topic before open discussion17:09
jroll#topic Should IPA HardwareManager interface changes require a spec?17:09
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jrollJayF: dtantsur: bring your conversation here please :)17:09
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JayFSo I wanted to have a bigger discussion about what changes in IPA we might want to be more careful/explicit about17:10
JayFmainly around changing the harwdare manager interface17:10
dtantsurjroll, it's not on topic17:10
JayFthere have been several patches lately I've had to -1 because they break under multiple hardware manager support17:10
JayFand one was merged recently that (arguably) has the same problem17:10
JayFI'd like to propose we start protecting the HardwareManager interface in IPA the same way we would any other external Ironic interface; by requiring explicit design via spec when it changes17:11
dtantsurI don't agree with this assessment yet17:11
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dtantsurJayF, are you committing to read all this spec in a timely fashion?17:11
TheJuliaJayF: it sounds like the context that other hardware managers exist seems to be missing, I could see a specification helping in that regard, except I worry about the weight of such17:11
dtantsuryou = you personally17:11
dtantsurotherwise other cores will approve it just as well17:11
JayFdtantsur: I don't think it's about me; I think it's about use cases (admittedly, ones I care about) being ignored when changing an interface in our software17:12
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dtantsurI think the main problem is that very few people here understand how multiple hw managers work. I'm not one for sure17:12
JayFmistakes will happen, but the more we're explicit about design considerations17:12
jlvillalIs there any way for us to add tests to catch these cases? Or can we add docs/comments to emphasize about multiple hardware manager support?  /me doesn't know17:12
JayFthe less the information about why some patterns are bad will be isolated to inside my head17:12
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TheJuliajlvillal: somehow testing was my next question17:13
dtantsurJayF, so lets start with moving it our of your head, or you'll be the only ironic-specs-core who get review such changes17:13
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JayFI'm not saying I have some kind of magic to find these things, or that I want to block all those changes via jay17:13
JayFvery much not what I want at all17:13
TheJuliabig warnings in the code?17:13
TheJuliaand go from there?17:13
JayFI'm just saying the last few times this has happened, it took some discussion to tease out all the edge cases17:13
JayFlike what happened with lucasagomes and the node caching patches17:14
JayFand that having a specs process allows us to ask these questions, have them answered in a written format, and start disseminating that information17:14
lucasagomesyeah, from a personal experience, it's _very_ hard today to land a change in the hw manager interface17:14
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* dtantsur would love to see programming interface that is easy to extend without a special knowledge17:14
lucasagomesthe design of it makes it hard to accommodate changes17:14
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JayFI do not want to be personally responsible for documenting all the IPA/HWM edge cases; I'm not sure I know them all; but I do know lots more disucssion needs to happen around these changes than are happening today17:15
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dtantsurJayF, only if someone understanding the scope of the problem (= you) actually reviews these specs..17:15
lucasagomese.g out of tree managers should _not_ inherit from other hw managers (like the generic one) it should always inherit from the base hw manager class17:15
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dtantsurlucasagomes, WUT?17:15
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dtantsurif so, then lets talk about fixing the hardware manager interface, not about bringing in more bureaucracy..17:16
lucasagomesdtantsur, yeah, well not sure if I can dump my brain here in this meeting cause the info is not even organized in my head17:16
TheJuliaJayF: didn't you mention that you wanted to see more hardware managers in tree as an example for downstream and consumers to be able to implement thier own?17:16
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jrollyeah, I don't want to rearchitect this in this meeting anyway17:16
devanandahow about documentation describing the design of that application, how we intend folks to subclass/inherit from it, and API documentation for the base classes?17:17
jlvillalIt almost sounds like we could use a spec on how to change the interface.17:17
TheJuliadevananda: ++17:17
lucasagomesdtantsur, but think about a driver that inherits from another driver (say drac inherits from ilo, as an example). Out of tree managers are now inhertiting from existing hw managers (the generic one) instead of using the base class17:17
jlvillalYes documentation ++17:17
devanandamaybe I'm wrong, but it seems like JayF has most of that in his head already17:17
devanandaI know I do not17:17
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jrolllike this?
dtantsurlucasagomes, and that's correct IMO17:17
jrollonly missing API doc for it, which is here:
JayFWhich I wrote the majority of, fwiw17:18
JayF(me and josh iirc)17:18
dtantsurlucasagomes, "Custom HardwareManagers should subclass hardware.HardwareManager or hardware.GenericHardwareManager."17:18
dtantsurso it seems to be fine to subclass ¯\_(ツ)_/¯17:18
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dtantsuranyway, the fix to my patch (according to Jay) is a one line dispatch -> dispatch_to_all, I'm not sure why all this panic17:19
lucasagomesdtantsur, yeah, I can show the example with the os_get_install_device() outside the meeting17:19
JayFI'm also saying if we had written a spec for this, I would've -1'd the design as well17:19
dtantsurwe have a good record of landing a spec and then realizing we need to rewrite half of it17:19
jrolldtantsur: it seems to be a proposal, not a panic17:19
lucasagomesbut overall, we need to re-think some of it's interface and document how to change it17:19
JayFbecause you changed the HWM interface when it wasn't really needed; we already have a method to initialize the hardware in a manager: evaluate_hardware_support()17:20
JayFwhich is run on every manager before IPA is fully started up17:20
dtantsurjroll, panic = rushing to revert the patch which only might break someone in some case17:20
JayFsince a given HWM only knows it can support hardware if it initializes it first17:20
jrollokay let's slow down17:20
dtantsurJayF, evaluate is not the best word for "initialize", is it?17:20
JayFdtantsur: revert-then-converse is the accepted openstack way of handling post-merge core reviewer objections17:20
JayFdtantsur: I'm not arguing the interface is good, lol17:21
dtantsurJayF, we can deadlock on it ;)17:21
jrollso everything around this seems to be documented, us as reviewers tend to miss these things anyway17:21
dtantsuranyway, we're not talking about this particular patch, right?17:21
jrolljay has proposed the spec process as a way to miss less of this17:21
jrollpeople seem opposed to this - what other proposals do those folks have to fix it?17:21
dtantsurjroll, I'm not opposed to spec process here17:22
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jroll(keeping in mind this is a driver interface, essentially)17:22
dtantsurjroll, I'm pointing that we'll get blocked on JayF reviews, cause otherwise we don't quite understand the whole thing17:22
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jrolldtantsur: what do you need to understand it better?17:22
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lucasagomesjroll, first thing is a documentation (action point to Jay) so we all can read and better understand hw managers when reviewing it17:22
JayFI've written documentation, tried to solicit feedback on the interfaces in meetings over the last year or so as they changed17:22
devanandafor changes to a driver interface in ironic, I would expect a spec -- why is this any different?17:22
jrolllucasagomes: like this?
JayFI don't know what else I would need to do to disseminate this information.17:23
* lucasagomes reads17:23
jrollI also think the spec process makes sense here17:23
devanandaJayF: my apologies for my forgetting that these docs exist - as I look at them, I recall reviewing them, but it's been a while17:23
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dtantsurjroll, this documentation is good, but it won't prevent me from doing the same patch :)17:24
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dtantsurI probably need to understand more how multiple hw managers even used17:24
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dtantsurI can think of adding clean steps and extending inspection, but I struggle to think beyond that17:24
jlvillalMaybe the code should have a link to the documentation. I imagine people making changes may not know about the documentation. Apologizes if the code already contains the links17:25
JayFWould you all be interested in kind of a ironic-tech-talk on how multiple managers can interact?17:25
jrollsure, and reviewers that review hw mgr changes should also do such a thing17:25
dtantsurJayF, +100017:25
JayFCool; I'm already working on documentation and training this week, I'll add that to the list of things.17:25
devanandaJayF: a tech talk on implementing a moderately-useful third-party HWM would be great17:25
JayFdevananda: my process would be "rip proprietary bits out of onmetal downstream hwm, walk through how it works and why we did it that way"17:26
dtantsuroh great17:26
JayFI don't think there's a general understanding of how ... complex you can make a HWM :)17:26
vdrokI think that would be great too17:27
jrollcool, so JayF is going to do that17:27
jrollI still think spec process wouldn't be a bad thing, do people agree/disagree?17:27
devanandaJayF: I suspect youre correct, and I suspect that that information right now exists only in the minds of a few downstream developers at large companies17:27
JayFI'll work on it, give me a couple of weeks. But my suggestion still stands, and I think there's still value in it17:27
devanandagetting it out in the open would be really helpful17:27
JayFand I hate specs too :/17:27
lucasagomesdevananda, ++ (and JayF jroll thanks for the docs, I didn't know they existed)17:27
vdrokcan we just make a folder in ironic-python-agent repo, and add the specs along with code?17:28
vdrokwith like a couple of required sections17:28
dtantsurvdrok, how does it change the latency before spec is approved?17:28
jrollI'd prefer just do it in ironic-specs17:28
devanandajroll: practical consideration for specs here - would we need a separate repo, or could we file them in with ironic-specs?17:28
JayFI mean, IPA is like ironic-lib17:28
jrollprefix title with "agent:" or something17:28
JayFit's tightly coupled to Ironic17:28
* jroll not opinionated so prefers less infra17:29
JayFso why wouldn't it go in ironic-specs with all the others?17:29
dtantsurinteresting question actually. not all IPA hw manager changes directly affect Ironic17:29
lucasagomesI consider IPA a vital part of Ironic (since now the bash way is gone), so ironic-specs seems fine17:29
dtantsuri.e. the one in question does not17:29
jrolland that's okay17:29
jroll"this change doesn't impact ironic"17:29
jrollbam done17:29
jrollwho wants to volunteer to add the agent impact section?17:29
jrolldevananda: wanna send an informational email or shall I?17:29
devanandaI'm pretty familiar with the spec tooling, should be easy to add that17:29
dtantsurdevananda, jroll, lets expand the agent impact then into several sections17:30
devanandadtantsur: yah17:30
devanandajroll: don't care. I can do that today17:30
jrollsure, we can discuss those in gerrit17:30
dtantsur1. agent API impact, 2. hw manager impact, (3. inspection impact? :)17:30
jrollI trust deva for a good first try at that17:30
jrolldevananda: that'd be awesome, thanks17:30
jrolldtantsur: ramdisk environment impact :)"17:30
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jrollsomewhat serious, new dependencies are hard with 3-4 different builders17:31
jrollokay, anything else on this topic?17:31
jroll#topic open discussion17:32
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jrollhave at it folks17:32
chopmannhere i go?17:33
vsaienkojroll, I'm working at Neutron integration patches. I hope to upload an updated version tomorrow17:33
jrollvsaienko: awesome, thanks17:33
jrollchopmann: open to anyone :)17:33
chopmannjaoh and me are working on
openstackLaunchpad bug 1583065 in Ironic "[RFE] Support network switches provisioning" [Wishlist,Incomplete] - Assigned to Cornelio Hopmann (hopmann-n)17:34
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JayFTalking about IPA and testing ... I think we have a need (now-ish but really in the future too) for a DIB job in IPA (i.e., testing IPA inside a dib ramdisk). Does anyone know who in our community works on those the most?17:34
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chopmann(we are OpenSource contribution noobs :-P btw)17:35
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dtantsurJayF, HPE folks and us17:35
JayFI just know in my project-config proposed patch, we'd have voting coreos-src and tinyipa-src jobs, just seems like we should have a dib-src job as well to ensure we don't miss any deps there17:35
chopmanndtansur asked: Hi! What exactly remains to implement to support such switches?17:35
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devanandaJayF: because the cusomtomization of HWM's is something we expect operators to need to do, WDYT about moving that info here?
JayFthe idea being all ramdisks get a -src job in IPA to verify that works, then we go up to Ironic and test them against the rmadisk best suited for CI (tinyipa) and presume that the IPA gate jobs "protect" us from other ramdisk breakages17:36
devanandaJayF: or somewhere here -
chopmannWe dont really know which parts are afected by our request.17:36
chopmannOur Use-Case is not on the examples uses-cases.17:36
dtantsurchopmann, yeah, this RFE could use some details. did you even try doing that with whatever we have now? :)17:36
JayFdevananda: It's kinda hard, right? I know when I want dev docs for IPA, I look in IPA codebase not in Ironic codebase.17:36
JayFdevananda: if we moved some of them, we should move all of them, and change IPA docs themselves to just be a pointed17:36
chopmannThe "Image" is just a config file (Text).17:36
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devanandaJayF: but "add or customize hardware manager" is something we need ops folks to do for *their* hardware17:36
jrollJayF: ++ then we could also run that dib-src job against dib17:36
devanandaJayF: that's different than "change how IPA works"17:37
JayFdevananda: there aren't even any docs in Ironic proper on customizing your ramdisk, is there?17:37
JayFdevananda: all the build instructions and tooling are in IPA as well17:37
devanandaJayF: no. that's my point.17:37
chopmannwe can't use the ramdisk, these are embedded system (like cisco iOS)17:37
sambettsjroll, JayF: +1 to DIB job17:37
jrolldevananda: JayF: I'd put words in drivers/ipa.html about "you may need to customize your IPA ramdisk, see this link"17:37
devanandaJayF: we tell operators they need to customize the ramdisk, but we don't give them any info on *how*17:37
dtantsurchopmann, what are you even trying to achieve? just configuring these switches?17:37
jrollchopmann: this is totally something I'd like to do, fwiw17:37
gabriel-bezerrachopmann: maybe you should avoid iscsi and agent deployment drivers and devise your own deployment interface17:37
JayFjroll: ++ that's what I mean, just a pointer one way or another :) either move IPA docs to Ironic, and put a pointer in IPA, or add a blurb to Ironic docs that point to the IPA docs17:37
jrollchopmann: is this something you've implemented or looked into?17:38
devanandajroll, JayF: and I think doc'ing how to create a new HWM should be written for operators17:38
devanandanot for developers17:38
jrolldtantsur: AIUI, clean and provision a thing with a base config for a new tenant17:38
jrolldevananda: well, I'm told operators can't write python17:38
chopmannjep, the first step is configuring the switch. Point it to talk to a sdn controller17:38
TheJuliaJayF: I would <3 a dib job, we have one in bifrost at least for making sure the main element works, and that has helped us catch a number of things in the past17:38
devananda(and yea I know, devops and things ... but there is a difference)17:38
dtantsurjroll, for what definition of "provision"? provided that an image is a text file..17:38
jrolldtantsur: chopmann: and then have neutron or something for configuration beyond that17:38
JayFdevananda: ConfigDrivenHardwareManager :P input a yaml file, it changes it into prioritized clean steps running utils.execute() on commands it's given, hehe17:39
jrolldtantsur: well, tell the switch to read it and do the thing17:39
dtantsurJayF, sounds not so bad tbh17:39
jrolldtantsur: update base OS, etc17:39
JayFdtantsur: I'm only half joking, I don't think it's a bad idea at all actually17:39
devanandajroll: oh, totally. so we should describe how to write a hardware manager in ruby ;) :P17:39
dtantsurjroll, how is it different from kickstart which we actively rejected?17:39
jrollthis is actually a perfect use case for ansible deploy driver17:39
chopmannwe are working on a PoC. Normal dhcp+tftp combo and point it to an instance (sdn controller) inside OpenStack17:40
jrolldtantsur: mostly that these can't run a ramdisk :)17:40
sambettsdtantsur, jroll: so many of these switches can get an init config via TFTP, think thats what they are going for, basicly just using ironic to configure the TFTP and serve it to the switch17:40
devanandachopmann: wouldn't the switch OS image itself be the image you deploy?17:40
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devanandachopmann: and then pass in the config (text file) like you would pass in user data?17:40
dtantsurjroll, yes.. still it's an OS configuration, not quite installation. like kickstart. I'm not against both of them, but I know that devananda is not fond of configuring OS17:40
chopmannyes and now.17:40
chopmannand no17:40
jrollyeah, I'd love for "deployment" to be "pull down your new software via tftp"17:40
sambettsso whitebox switches == deploy an OS on, these are blackbox switches == os already installed but they need bootstraping17:41
devanandasambetts: blackbox switch may have a different means of loading a new "OS", but they do need to update that sometimes too17:41
devanandasambetts: "boot OS" could be "reset firmware, apply base configs"17:42
jrollI'd like to see: copy tftp flash0:; copy run start; reload17:42
jrollbe this driver17:42
chopmannthat what i meant with yes and no. the images you load on those switches are sometimes 1+GB (and some sort of linux)17:42
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chopmannwe dont want to do more than point it to the proper sdn controller17:43
chopmannthe rest can be taken care with ironic/netman17:43
chopmannerr neutron17:44
devanandajroll: sure. though, the exact sequence of commands will vary between vendor/model/revision17:44
dtantsurchopmann, to you plan to write a spec on it (sorry if you already did)?17:44
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jrolldevananda: yeah, it's a strawman17:44
chopmannyes, after this :-)17:44
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sambettsmy other concern is that I don't think an Ironic running at the same level as the neutron thats going to control that switch makes sense right?17:45
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devanandaJayF: to your earlier point of -src jobs in IPA -- yes please17:45
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JayFdevananda: yeah; I'm saying I'm working on it for the existing jobs. There's no dib-src job at all, and I think the scaffolding for it isn't in devstack yet either17:45
sambettsironic in an undercloud providing a switch to an overcloud neutron makes sense, but i'm not sure about them at the same level seems like a layer break17:46
JayFdevananda: so more a "call for someone to do the work" than volunteering, fwiw17:46
devanandasambetts, chopmann: I'm not clear on that. how would you "point it to an sdn controller" to update the switch?17:46
devanandaor do you mean, to apply configuration?17:46
dtantsurJayF, the patches are up for that IIRC17:47
devanandastanding up an OVS-DB instance next to ironic, then booting a switch OS that supports OVS onto a switch, passing in enough configuration & credentials for it to connect back to the OVS-DB... that seems like all you'd need17:47
chopmann"to hand it over to the tenant" so he can use it in his env17:47
dtantsurJayF, I'll keen an eye on them, as we do use DIB-based agent in prod17:48
devanandachopmann: oh! I wasn't thinking of that use case17:48
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devanandachopmann: yea, spec please, with some clear description of your intended use case, would be very helpful to get the discussion going17:48
jrollyeah, the use case I've always had in mind is, provision to tenant, give them cli access17:49
devanandagotcha. not what I was thinking of17:49
JayFjroll: I think in our minds it's been more LBs or GWs rather than switches17:49
sambetts++ to a spec17:49
JayFjroll: but the whole pattern could make sense together17:49
chopmannfor public public cloud it could be a security problem (you can brick the switch), but if you do only OpenFlow, there is not that much you can break17:49
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sambettsJayF, devananda:
sambettsJayF, devananda: work is ongoing for adding DIB support to ironic devstack ^17:51
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sambettschopmann: how do you see a user interacting with it? nova boot ?17:51
JayFsambetts: perfect; that'll be easy to integrate into tests once it's complete17:51
devanandasambetts: is that related to the switch discussion?17:51
devanandaoh - I see17:52
chopmannalright then. We'll work on a spec. With our use-case outline, should we add more to it, or "expand/refine it" as the discussion grows17:52
chopmannsambetts: either throu the sdn controller itself or neutron17:52
sambettschopmann: so the sdn controller would trigger a build in ironic?17:53
jrollchopmann: add as much info as you have today, and we'll go from there17:54
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devanandachopmann: describe the use case and problem in the opening secttions of a spec, following the template here:
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devanandachopmann: we can discuss on the spec review and help you flesh out the rest, or put it on the agenda here if it needs another broader discussion17:56
chopmannthanks guys! :-)17:57
JayFno problem good luck17:57
jroll(and girls)17:57
jroll2 minute warning17:57
chopmannerr and girls. thank you everyone ;-)17:57
jrollokay sounds like that's it17:58
jrollthanks everyone17:58
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flwang1#topic roll call18:01
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flwang1anybody around?18:01
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flwang1vkmc: hi18:04
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flwang1i just worked out a etherpad to track our agenda in the future since i don't think the wiki page works :)18:04
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flwang1vkmc: sorry for drafting it too late18:05
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flwang1vkmc: seems only you and me today, so i think the meeting will be very short18:06
flwang1vkmc: the most important patch for now is this
flwang1it's blocking a lot of our zaqar patches18:07
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vkmcok, looking at it18:08
vkmcwill review after the meeting is done18:09
vkmcflwang, ^18:10
flwang1vkmc: ok, cool18:11
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vkmcsame for the falcon patch18:12
flwang1vkmc: ok, so except those patches, seems we don't have any feature in N-118:13
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flwang1hopefully, i can get the tempest patch done in N-118:13
flwang1and start to do the dead letter queue since N-218:14
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flwang1vkmc: have you started the db migration work?18:14
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flwang1vkmc: and i would like to know if you're still interested in docs work :)18:16
flwang1in newton, i think both install guide and api ref will be hold in our tree instead of a central place like before18:17
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flwang1vkmc: are you still there?18:19
vkmcflwang1, I haven't started with the db migration work18:19
vkmcI need to finish some work in Trove side18:19
vkmcdo you want to have it done for N-1?18:19
vkmcand docs, I'm not updated with the latest requirements on that side18:20
flwang1vkmc: ok, never mind18:20
vkmcI have to check the work that was done by Eva in Mitaka18:20
flwang1vkmc: so do you have any topic we could discuss today?18:21
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vkmcnot really18:22
vkmclast Friday I saw that there was some discussion going on18:23
vkmcregarding standarizing Zaqar messages18:23
vkmcfor the TripleO integration18:23
flwang1vkmc: oh, yes, i will reply that thread later18:23
vkmcyup, we should keep an eye on that18:24
vkmcand perhaps help with that work18:24
flwang1i think it will be related to the lazy queue in subscription18:24
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vkmcother than that, I don't have any other comment18:27
flwang1vkmc: ok18:28
flwang1vkmc: i saw we have a new intern, right?18:28
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vkmcsj_ wants to contribute, but she is not enlisted in any internships program18:29
vkmcmaybe she will make it for the upcoming Outreachy round, but we haven't talked about it yet18:29
flwang1vkmc: ok, got it18:30
flwang1vkmc: thanks for that18:30
flwang1let's end this meeting :)18:30
flwang1and back to zaqar channel18:30
vkmcsounds good18:30
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vkmcthanks flwang18:30
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tonyb#startmeeting stable21:01
openstackMeeting started Mon May 23 21:01:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'stable'21:01
tonybWho's here for the stable meeting?21:01
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tonybihrachys: wow!  late for you21:02
ihrachysit is21:02
tonybmrunge: ?21:02
tonybIIRC Matt's on leave this week21:02
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tonybihrachys: If it's just the 2 of us then I might skip the agenda21:04
tonybthe periodic pipline is a little busted and I'll look at that today21:04
tonybI don't think there's anything terrible just normal stuff21:04
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ihrachysthe only thing I had worth mentioning is that client repos need constraints guarding too. we did it for neutronclient, and I think others may want to 'steal' the code from us.21:05
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tonybihrachys: did you need to use a tox_install "hack" due to constraints? or was there a neater way?21:06
ihrachysthe main gotcha there is that we need to modify u-c.txt before passing it to pip to replace client line21:06
ihrachystonyb: no, it's still hack21:06
tonybihrachys: Ahh okay.21:06
ihrachysI wrote the script in a way that should be easy to copy and just replace one or two variables. hope it helps others.21:07
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tonybihrachys: Thanks.  I wonder if this is something to fix in pip21:07
tonybihrachys: I'll try to get a few minutes with lifeless today (if he's around)21:08
ihrachysok. please ping me if the result of the chat is we do it wrong or smth21:08
tonybihrachys: will do21:09
ihrachysanother thing from me to note is we landed some release-tools patches that introduce a bunch of scripts that operate with git and LP that may help folks identify backports:
ihrachysI plan for more tools, but that's the start21:09
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tonybihrachys: nice.21:09
* tonyb should clean up his one and check if it overlaps with yours21:10
ihrachysoverall, I would like to document the proactive backport approach taken by neutron in some common place like project guide or stable policy, so that I have something to refer when people ask about the process. do you think project guide is the right place?21:10
ihrachysI could obviously put it under neutron docs, but I hope it may be adopted more widely so maybe it's worth starting from common docs21:11
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tonybihrachys: I have a foot in both camps.  I'd start in neutron and then when we get a 2nd project using it move it to project-guide21:12
tonybihrachys: but perhaps that's just busy work.21:12
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tonybihrachys: I think ttx would be a better person to make that call TBH21:12
ihrachysthe busy work is actually writing up the thing :)21:12
ihrachysthen it will be not that hard to move it around if need be21:13
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tonybihrachys: You can "steal" some of it from you summit presentation ;P21:13
ihrachysyeah. we'll see.21:14
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tonybihrachys: Have you added Brian to the neutron-stable-core? (sorry if there's an email I haven't got to my inbox yet)21:15
ihrachystonyb: not yet. I will do it this week unless someone raises a huge concern.21:15
ihrachysjust haven't got to it yet. Mondays are always busy with meetings in my calendar21:16
tonybihrachys: ok.  I doubt there will be an issue.21:16
tonybAhh of couse it's late Monday for you21:16
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ihrachystonyb: huh, I think we use a wrong channel?21:17
ihrachystonyb: it should have been in 4th one?21:17
ihrachysas per
ihrachys"Every two weeks (on odd weeks) on Monday at 2100 UTC in #openstack-meeting-4"21:17
tonybihrachys: Yeah I think I mis-converted the UTC -> AEST in my head21:18
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* sigmavirus24 was looking for y'all elsewhere21:18
ihrachystonyb: to avoid that, you can add .ical file to your cal, and it will show you the channel21:18
tonybihrachys: done21:18
* tonyb is a bad person21:19
ihrachysok anything else to cover today?21:19
tonybsigmavirus24: did you have anything?21:19
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tonybWell I think we're done with a short meeting in the wrong place21:21
tonybspeak now or in #openstack-stable21:21
sigmavirus24No, just wanted to say hello and listen in21:21
tonybsigmavirus24: ok ... there will be logs :)21:22
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