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PaulMurray#startmeeting Nova Live Migration14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May 24 14:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is PaulMurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration'14:00
* kashyap waves14:00
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PaulMurrayhi all14:00
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PaulMurrayAgenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaLiveMigration14:01
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tdurakovhi14:01
PaulMurray#topic CI14:01
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* PaulMurray straight in today14:01
PaulMurraywe had a couple of actions on CI from last week14:01
PaulMurraykashyap to follow up with clarkb about experimental job running xenial fix (presumed cpu model)14:02
kashyapPaulMurray: One was one me...14:02
kashyapPaulMurray: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:systemctrl14:02
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kashyapSpecifically this should get merged - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319819/14:02
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kashyapBut both the patches in that topic need to go in...14:02
kashyapReviews appreciated14:03
tdurakovkashyap: is it really helps to restart14:03
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kashyapThen, we've got a dummy Nova change that depends on the above -- https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319934/114:03
tdurakovI've tested locally and there is still issues with gate64 model14:03
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kashyaptdurakov: From testing by clarkb and sdague -- yes, an explicit 'restart' seem to bring in the CPU model14:04
kashyaptdurakov: What kind of issues you're seeing locally?14:04
PaulMurray#link this should get merged to help cpu model fix - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319819/14:04
kashyaptdurakov: Admittedly, I see the opposite effect of what both, Clark and Sean said: https://kashyapc.fedorapeople.org/behavior-of-systemctl-and-service-with-libvirt-bin-on-Xenial.txt14:04
tdurakovkashyap: actually the same, the only diff is that i'm using service, not systemctl, is it critical?14:05
tdurakovoh, ok14:05
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kashyapBut I went ahead and made the change as the evidence from two people stacked against me -- and I'm not a regular Ubuntu user either.14:06
kashyapSo, I want to see what the CI reports with the above two changes, then we can take it from there.14:06
sdaguetdurakov: it's still not passing last time I looked, so it is going to require someone to investigate further14:06
PaulMurray#undo14:07
openstackRemoving item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0xa7e1390>14:07
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tdurakovsdague, what do you mean by not passing?14:07
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/319934/114:07
sdaguethe experimental change is still not working14:08
tdurakovhttps://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/iWNE3Qc9/gate6414:08
tdurakovbut still got the same issue14:08
tdurakovso I looks like it's not enough just to restart libvirt14:09
tdurakovs/i/it14:09
kashyaptdurakov: Clark confirmed that it surely worked for him14:09
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sdaguekashyap: well it's not working in code14:09
tdurakovcould we discuss it just after meeting in #openstack-nova?14:10
PaulMurrayGood idea14:10
PaulMurraysounds like this needs more digging14:10
tdurakov+14:10
kashyapsdague: The dummy change failed because there were trivial bugs in the DevStack change.  Let's see if it suceeds, otherwise, needs more investigation.14:10
kashyapPaulMurray: Sure.14:10
PaulMurraythanks for following up14:10
PaulMurraymoving on14:10
PaulMurraynext: mriedem to change an existing job to use raw instead of qcow214:11
PaulMurrayhe's not here14:11
PaulMurrayand I expect he had no time to do anything14:11
mdboothPaulMurray: The sky's not falling and I'll ping him in the week if it becomes necessary.14:11
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PaulMurrayDoes anyone else have an update for CI ?14:11
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PaulMurray#topic Libvirt Storage Pools14:12
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PaulMurrayAny updates here ?14:12
PaulMurraymdbooth, paul-carlton14:12
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PaulMurraydiana_clarke, ?14:13
mdboothSo, *all* the prepatches are in iirc!14:13
diana_clarkeI put 3 of the 5 backends up for review last week, and then went on vacation, so not much news from me ;)14:13
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PaulMurraygood14:14
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* mdbooth is still addressing feedback, so no movement on the bdm stuff, yet14:14
PaulMurraylets move on then14:14
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PaulMurray#topic Specs14:14
diana_clarkeI hope to finish the remaining backends this week, plus start using the new methods in the driver.14:14
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PaulMurrayWe are coming up to non-priority spec freeze14:14
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PaulMurrayon June 2nd14:14
PaulMurrayhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule14:15
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PaulMurrayThe review trackin gpage is here:14:15
PaulMurrayhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking14:15
PaulMurrayactually, mdbooth your patches should be on there14:16
PaulMurraybut I guess you're getting reviews anyway14:16
mdboothPaulMurray: Yep. Will ensure they all go up there after this meeting.14:16
PaulMurrayI will move some of those specs up to the next section14:16
PaulMurraythere are several specs that need approval this week14:17
PaulMurraythese are close I think:14:17
PaulMurrayhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/30656114:17
PaulMurrayauto complete ^^14:17
PaulMurrayhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/307131 - live migration of rescued14:18
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PaulMurrayAny otheres need a mention or discussion?14:18
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tangchen_Hi, I have a BP about migration state machine that needs some help.   https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/migration-state-machine14:18
tangchen_I proposed it in mitaka, but I didn't have enough time to finish it.14:19
tangchen_I'd like you guys help to review it, and approve it if possible. :)14:19
PaulMurraytangchen_, is there a current spec link14:19
tangchen_No, sorry. In mitaka, we agreed that it needs no spec.14:20
tangchen_It changes no API.14:20
tangchen_Just use a state machine to replace the current strings.14:20
PaulMurraytangchen_, ok - I missed that14:21
tangchen_I can write a spec if necessary.14:21
PaulMurrayso its just the patches on the spec ?14:21
PaulMurray...sorry on the bp14:21
tangchen_yes14:21
PaulMurrayhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/migration-state-machine,n,z14:21
tdurakov 2 spec from me: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292271/ - orchestration to conductor,  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320416/ - instance action to conductor, and checks before live-migration in background14:21
PaulMurrayThe all have -2 from johnthetubaguy14:22
PaulMurraythat needs lifting or no one will look14:22
PaulMurrayTry pinging him in openstack-nova14:22
tangchen_yes. John told me that it is better to raise it up in a meeting.14:23
PaulMurrayand put on the spec review tracking page14:23
tangchen_I have talked with him.14:23
PaulMurraytangchen_, did he mean here or in the nova meeting ?14:23
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tangchen_I asked the same question, and he said live-migrate meeting will be a good idea.14:24
tangchen_So I came here. :)14:24
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PaulMurrayha14:24
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PaulMurrayok - I'll take a look and talk to him and you about it later14:24
tangchen_I think he asked me to discuss with you that if using the automaton is a good idea. :)14:25
PaulMurrayI'm not up on it at the moment - unless anyone else has any comments14:25
tangchen_OK, thank you very much. But it is late in my time zone. I have to get off.14:25
PaulMurrayI thought there was general agreement that it was a good idea14:25
tangchen_Please leave a message on the patch or the BP.14:26
PaulMurraytdurakov, does it clash with what you are looking at ?14:26
tangchen_OK, thx. :)14:26
PaulMurrayi.e. the two specs you linked above?14:26
PaulMurrayRemove compute-compute communication in live-migration14:26
PaulMurray^^14:26
PaulMurrayhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/292271/14:27
tdurakovPaulMurray: yes it is14:27
PaulMurraywhy does it clash, I would expect it to be complementary ?14:27
tdurakovPaulMurray: wait, are you talking about state machines?14:28
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PaulMurrayyes14:28
PaulMurrayhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/241476/ - Implement state machine for live-migration14:29
tdurakovPaulMurray: let me check state machine spec first, will leave comment14:29
PaulMurrayok14:29
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tangchen_tdurakov: Thank you very much. :)14:29
tangchen_And Paul, thx too. :)14:29
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tdurakovfolks, could you take a look on the specs I've mentioned above14:30
PaulMurray#action PaulMurray follow up on status for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/migration-state-machine (needs no spec)14:30
PaulMurrayAny more specs ?14:30
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PaulMurrayWe only have until Thursday next week to get approval14:31
PaulMurraymoving on....14:31
PaulMurray#topic Review request14:31
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PaulMurrayI think we spilled into this already14:32
PaulMurrayanything else here ?14:32
PaulMurrayon patches in general14:32
eliqiaoI got 2 patches14:32
abhishekkhi, need review on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215483/ (Set migration status to 'error' on live-migration failure)14:32
eliqiaoPaulMurray: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310707/ libvirt: Prevent block live migration with tunnelled flag14:32
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eliqiaoPaulMurray: this is a regression bug in mitaka, pkoniszewski help to tested alread.14:33
PaulMurrayabhishekk, I said I would follow up on that one but I decided not to be pushy yet14:33
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PaulMurrayI will follow up on it now14:34
abhishekkPaulMurray: thank you and sorry for making noise14:34
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johnthetubaguyPaulMurray: I can remove the -2, just ping the -2 on IRC once the blueprint is approved, in the usual way14:35
johnthetubaguyPaulMurray: ah, this is the one from tangchen_, the blueprint needs approving first14:35
PaulMurrayjohnthetubaguy, who is going to approve ?14:35
johnthetubaguydo we all like the direction thats taking, as a live-migrate subteam?14:36
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PaulMurrayWe are going to take a look at the code14:37
PaulMurrayeveryone has got rusty on it14:37
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PaulMurrayjohnthetubaguy, it seems we decided it would not need a spec - is that ok ?14:37
johnthetubaguynot sure14:38
PaulMurrayjohnthetubaguy, I have an action to catch up with you later14:38
PaulMurrayabout it14:38
johnthetubaguythe problem is actually getting people to understand it, and agree we like the direction14:38
johnthetubaguyit feels like we need more than the blueprint to do that14:38
PaulMurrayyes, that's why I wondered about a spec14:39
johnthetubaguyfor me, I think a spec is likely to be quicker14:39
johnthetubaguyas odd as that sounds14:39
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johnthetubaguybut I am willing to try the blueprint only approach, if we can agree the direction14:39
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johnthetubaguyanyways, happy to catch up after the meeting, with the interested folks14:40
PaulMurraytangchen_, do you think you could resurect the old spec quickly ?14:41
PaulMurrayIt would be a useful place to add comments - we may decide we don't need it14:41
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tdurakovPaulMurray: +1 for spec14:43
tdurakovi've walked quickly over patches, I think it would be useful to read kind of doc14:43
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PaulMurraytangchen_, johnthetubaguy my thought is we could review look at the spec and try to decide what we want to do in the next few days ?14:43
PaulMurrayI'm particularly interested in what happens if/when we decide to change the state machine14:44
PaulMurraylooks like we lost tangchen_14:45
PaulMurrayI'll follow up14:45
johnthetubaguycool14:45
PaulMurray#topic Open Discussion14:45
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johnthetubaguyyeah, lets follow up later14:45
johnthetubaguyso I wanted to rase the auto converge spec14:45
johnthetubaguyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/306561/1814:45
PaulMurraygo ahead14:45
johnthetubaguyI really like where its going14:45
johnthetubaguybut I got confused about a contractition14:45
johnthetubaguyI think you have the auto API to force post copy at any point of the migration (probably after the current memory copy completes?), and if not, we wait till the memory sync is not improving things by 10%?14:46
johnthetubaguydoes that sound correct?14:46
PaulMurrayjust gave paul-carlton a poke14:46
PaulMurray:)14:46
PaulMurrayI think that's right johnthetubaguy14:47
johnthetubaguyOK, cool14:47
johnthetubaguyif its just a typo thing, I am basically +2 on the approach14:47
johnthetubaguynot a fan of config options changing what an API does14:47
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PaulMurraythe force flag in live-migrate made it agressive about the switch14:47
johnthetubaguybut I am much less of a fan of exposing implementation details vai the API14:47
paul-carlton2I'll check the spec, what I meant was that it would automatically switch if less than 10% progress after first cycle14:48
johnthetubaguyso the force flag got deleted14:48
johnthetubaguypaul-carlton2: cool14:48
paul-carlton2but the operator could use force-complete to make it switch at any time14:48
johnthetubaguyyeah, that sounds good14:48
PaulMurraypaul-carlton2, so the foce flag in ive-migrate is definitely dropped then ?14:49
paul-carlton2except that if they try to force the switch too early, i.e. before a complete memory copy cycle we defer it14:49
paul-carlton2Yep14:49
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paul-carlton2I don't see it having enough value to be worth having at this stage14:49
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paul-carlton2We can add it later if we find a need14:50
PaulMurrayI'm good with that14:50
PaulMurrayjohnthetubaguy, do you know if danpb is about at all ?14:50
PaulMurraywe haven't seen him in a while14:50
PaulMurraymdbooth, ^^ ?14:50
tangchen_PaulMurray,  johnthetubaguy: Hi, I'm here. I can submit a spec for it. :)14:50
mdboothPaulMurray: He's definitely away for a few days at least14:50
tangchen_Will do it tomorrow.14:50
PaulMurraytangchen_, thanks14:50
mdboothDon't know exactly how long14:50
tangchen_:)14:51
paul-carlton2I'll mail him and dlist to solicit comments/approaval14:51
mdboothpaul-carlton2: He's on holiday, so don't expect a quick reply14:51
paul-carlton2mdbooth, ack14:51
PaulMurraymdbooth, do you know when he is back a work ?14:52
PaulMurraylike next week ?14:52
mdboothPaulMurray: Unfortunately not, no14:52
PaulMurrayok14:52
mdboothI expect so, but really don't know14:52
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PaulMurrayIs there anything else to finish with ?14:53
PaulMurray...then we're done for this week.14:53
PaulMurraythanks for coming14:54
PaulMurray#endmeeting14:54
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tdurakovkashyap: hey14:54
tdurakovkashyap: could we discuss at #openstack-nova issue with ubuntu xenial?14:54
kashyaptdurakov: Hey, I'm packing to get on a train (first 37 min of bus).14:54
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devkulkarni#startmeeting Solum Team Meeting17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May 24 17:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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devkulkarni#topic Roll Call17:00
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devkulkarniDevdatta Kulkarni17:00
james_lijames li17:01
devkulkarnihi james_li17:01
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james_lihi17:01
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devkulkarniI think Ablu and vijendar are going to be late17:01
devkulkarnihere is the agenda for today's meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum#Agenda_for_2016-05-24_1700_UTC17:01
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devkulkarnijames_li: lets wait for a couple of minutes to see if others join17:02
AbluI am there, but I won't be able to follow live17:03
devkulkarniAblu: oh okay17:03
devkulkarnithanks for the note Ablu17:03
devkulkarnialright.. lets get started17:05
devkulkarnijames_li: so the main agenda to discuss today is meeting time ..17:05
devkulkarnirecently we have got participants from China, India and Germany (Ablu)17:06
devkulkarniour current meeting time is not very convenient for these folks17:06
james_li👏17:06
james_liis that wei cao?17:06
devkulkarnijames_li: :)17:06
devkulkarnijames_li: yes17:06
james_liseems saw a patch from that guy17:06
devkulkarniwei cao is from china I believe17:06
devkulkarniyes, wei had submitted couple of patches and also have reviewed few patches17:07
devkulkarnithen we have ashishjain and pt_15 from india17:07
james_liyes17:07
devkulkarniso I was thinking that we should change our weekly irc meeting time to accommodate all these folks17:07
james_liagreed17:08
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devkulkarniis there any preferred day/time that you think we should consider?17:08
devkulkarniyesterday I spent some time looking at current meeting schedules and found that only 1600 UTC on Tuesday in this channel is open17:08
devkulkarnianytime earlier than 1500 UTC would not work for participants from US17:09
devkulkarniand anytime later than 1700 UTC is too late for Germany, India, China17:09
james_li1600 UTC is 11am CST?17:10
devkulkarniyes17:10
devkulkarni1 hour earlier than now17:10
devkulkarniand when daylight saving ends it will be 10.00am CST17:10
james_liand noon in China, how about India?17:10
james_linot noon in China, but mid-night17:11
devkulkarniin India it will be 9.30pm17:11
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devkulkarniI thought in China it will be 10.30pm17:11
devkulkarnior will it be mid-night?17:11
Ablu30? Do they have half hour shifts?17:12
devkulkarniAblu: actually, I just added 1 hour to India time.. don't know exactly what is the time-zone in which wei cao is present17:12
james_lidevkulkarni: Beijing time now is 1 am, so one hour earlier is mid-night17:12
devkulkarnioh okay.. how many time-zones does china have?17:13
devkulkarniis it a single time zone?17:13
james_lidevkulkarni: one zone17:13
devkulkarniok17:13
devkulkarnihmm.. so midnight is bad17:13
devkulkarnithen our option is sometime earlier than 1500 UTC17:14
devkulkarniwe could do 1400 UTC17:14
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devkulkarniwhich will be 9.00am/8.00am for US folks .. should be fine I guess17:15
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devkulkarnifor India that will be 7.30pm17:15
james_lihow about Germany?17:15
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devkulkarnijames_li: for China it will be 9.30pm, right?17:15
james_lidevkulkarni: yeah about that time17:15
devkulkarniAblu: what is the current time for you?17:15
devkulkarnilet me check17:16
devkulkarniIts 7:16pm right now17:16
james_lishould be afternoon17:17
devkulkarniso if we go with 1400 UTC, it will be 4:00pm17:17
devkulkarniyeah17:17
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devkulkarnilet me quickly check channel availability17:17
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devkulkarnijames_li: Tuesday 1400 UTC is not available in any channel unfortunately17:19
devkulkarniwe could look at Wednesday17:19
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devkulkarniWednesday is available .. openstack-meeting-3 and openstack-meeting-4 are occupied.. we can go with openstack-meeting-alt17:21
devkulkarniMonday is also not available17:22
devkulkarniall channels are occupied at 1400 UTC17:22
devkulkarniand Thursday is not going to work for Ablu17:22
devkulkarniI don't think we should have a meeting on Friday ..17:23
devkulkarniso that leaves two options .. Wednesday at 1400 UTC or an earlier time on Tuesday (possibly 1300 UTC) .. but 1300 UTC is going to be 7.00am for US folks, which will be hard for some folks17:24
devkulkarnilet me also check if whether 1300 UTC is even available17:24
devkulkarniTuesday 1300 UTC in openstack-meeting-3 is available as well17:25
devkulkarniSo two options are:17:25
devkulkarniWednesday 1400 UTC in openstack-meeting-alt17:25
devkulkarniTuesday 1300 UTC in openstack-meeting-317:25
james_lidevkulkarni: so we need a vote, or PTL will decide for us? I am fine with both17:26
devkulkarnijames_li: we can take a vote .. whichever is convenient for all, we should go with that17:27
devkulkarnijames_li: which one do you prefer?17:27
james_liWednesday :)17:27
devkulkarniI know that for Ablu anything except Thursday works17:27
devkulkarnijames_li: I am also inclined for 1400 UTC.. so Wednesday17:28
devkulkarnijames_li: let me check with vijendar as well17:28
devkulkarniand dimtruck17:28
devkulkarniI think 1300 UTC is not a realistic option17:28
devkulkarniif we agree to that, then the only option that remains is 1400 UTC on Wednesday.. it will work for everyone17:29
devkulkarnialright, this was good discussion17:30
devkulkarniapart from this topic, the only other thing that I had for discussion is the Java/tomcat web app that we were earlier talking about in solum channel17:30
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devkulkarnialright.. if there is nothing more to discuss then I will end the meeting17:37
devkulkarnithanks james_li and Ablu for joining today17:38
devkulkarnigood discussion about meeting time today17:38
devkulkarnisee you next week17:38
james_lidevkulkarni: bye17:38
devkulkarni#endmeeting17:38
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