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| SridarK | Hi FWaaS Folks | 03:59 |
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| yushiro | Hi! | 03:59 |
| mfranc213 | hello | 04:00 |
| SarathMekala | hi | 04:00 |
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| SridarK | ok lets get started | 04:00 |
| SridarK | #startmeeting fwaas | 04:00 |
| mickeys | Hi | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 04:00:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SridarK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| xgerman | Hi | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fwaas' | 04:00 |
| hoangcx | Hi | 04:00 |
| chandanc | hello All | 04:00 |
| SridarK | #chair xgerman njohnston | 04:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK njohnston xgerman | 04:00 |
| SridarK | #topic Announcements | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:01 | |
| njohnston | Hi all! | 04:01 |
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| SridarK | We are closing in on N-1 | 04:01 |
| SridarK | as u are all well aware | 04:01 |
| SridarK | i think we need to get some v2 things in before N-2 comes along | 04:02 |
| njohnston | absolutely | 04:02 |
| yushiro | yes | 04:02 |
| SridarK | lets cover some of the things around patches first before we get to stadium requirements | 04:02 |
| xgerman | +1 | 04:02 |
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| SridarK | #topic L3 Agent Extension | 04:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "L3 Agent Extension (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:03 | |
| SridarK | njohnston: thanks for taking the lead on this | 04:03 |
| xgerman | +1 | 04:03 |
| SridarK | and thanks folks for starting to comment on this | 04:03 |
| njohnston | I am in the middle of an edit adding some example data, which I think will address the open comments on the spec | 04:03 |
| SridarK | njohnston: great | 04:04 |
| SridarK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315745/ | 04:04 |
| njohnston | It struck me, the concept of a notification scheme for agent extensions could be generalized into a general case, and applied to any versioned object/agent extension combination. So I have been thinking about what it would take to take the QoS notification scheme and turn it into a generalized versioned object/agent extension mechanism. | 04:04 |
| xgerman | I think they should have do | 04:05 |
| xgerman | On | 04:05 |
| njohnston | I think that would be the easiest route for creating the L3 agent extension, although I have doubts. | 04:05 |
| xgerman | E that from the get go | 04:05 |
| SridarK | yes i agree - we need to dive down in to this | 04:05 |
| njohnston | Agreed, I think they wre rushing it. | 04:05 |
| xgerman | And now they | 04:05 |
| SridarK | njohnston: do u think if some of us interested folks got together and allocate a couple of hours to dive into this | 04:05 |
| xgerman | Are in their 3rd cycle | 04:05 |
| njohnston | SridarK: I think that would be very useful, yes | 04:06 |
| padkrish | +1 | 04:06 |
| SridarK | we can atleast attempt to come up with a skeleton of what this should look like | 04:06 |
| SridarK | and with ur experience with QoS - we can find some common ground | 04:06 |
| njohnston | I think we could produce a patch that generalizes the agent extension framework and makes the existing QoS use case work with the new arrangement | 04:07 |
| SridarK | njohnston: +1 | 04:07 |
| njohnston | And then our patch to leverage would be a natural successor | 04:07 |
| SridarK | ok great - lets figure out some time to get this discussion going | 04:07 |
| xgerman | Awesome + if we can add that to neutron lib 🤗 | 04:07 |
| njohnston | xgerman: ++ | 04:08 |
| SridarK | xgerman: that would great if we can do that | 04:08 |
| xgerman | We can always invite dougwig | 04:08 |
| SridarK | ok sounds good | 04:09 |
| SridarK | njohnston: lets sync quickly tomorrow on this and plan for something ? | 04:09 |
| njohnston | one last question | 04:09 |
| njohnston | In the spec comments, Yamamoto Takashi pointed out the similarity to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91532/11/specs/juno/l3-agent-consolidation.rst | 04:09 |
| SridarK | njohnston: yes was getting to that too | 04:10 |
| njohnston | I will look through that to see what we can glean from it that would be useful to add to this spec, since they are very similar | 04:10 |
| njohnston | SridarK: Sorry for jumping the gun :-) | 04:10 |
| SridarK | i think we should leverage some of this and see if we can colloborate | 04:10 |
| SridarK | njohnston: no worries at all :-) | 04:10 |
| njohnston | SridarK: And yes, let's definitely sync tomorrow and make a plan :-) | 04:11 |
| xgerman | With it already N-1 we need to look at the clock when trying to do things outside the team | 04:11 |
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| xgerman | But good to sync ;-) | 04:11 |
| SridarK | this jogged some memories - there were some thoughts here and lets see the contributor is still on this | 04:12 |
| SridarK | yushiro: could i pls request u to reach out Toshihiro | 04:12 |
| SridarK | the submitter | 04:12 |
| SridarK | in ur time zone | 04:12 |
| SridarK | if we can leverage some ideas and also get some help - will help our cause too | 04:13 |
| yushiro | SridarK, Toshihiro? OK. I'll try it. | 04:13 |
| SridarK | yushiro: thx | 04:13 |
| yushiro | SridarK, Would you tell me his full name? | 04:14 |
| SridarK | i will reach out offline | 04:14 |
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| SridarK | yushiro: ^^^ | 04:14 |
| njohnston | yushiro: IWAMOTO Toshihiro | 04:14 |
| SridarK | ok lets move on | 04:14 |
| yushiro | njohnston, Ah, I see. Thank you. | 04:14 |
| SridarK | #topic FWaaS v2 | 04:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FWaaS v2 (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:14 | |
| njohnston | I would like it if we could start landing some of the v2 patches, at least the initial stuff that others depend on | 04:15 |
| SridarK | in the order of dependencies, i pinged shwetaap today | 04:15 |
| SridarK | njohnston: exactly | 04:15 |
| SridarK | :-) | 04:15 |
| SridarK | shwetaap: i know u started looking into the extensions patch | 04:16 |
| xgerman | showing progress is good | 04:16 |
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| SridarK | anything specific u want to discuss or bring up | 04:16 |
| xgerman | Database is also a low hanging fruit | 04:16 |
| SridarK | xgerman: +1 | 04:16 |
| shwetaap | I am looking at the existing firewall UTs, and creating the UTs for the firewall_v2 extension | 04:16 |
| SridarK | shwetaap: ok good | 04:17 |
| shwetaap | I will upload it to the existing patch | 04:17 |
| SridarK | njohnston: i think this will be the dependency for the db patch | 04:17 |
| njohnston | indeed | 04:17 |
| SridarK | i have tested this earlier and there is enough there for us to move along | 04:17 |
| SridarK | njohnston: we can figure out what are basic things that need to be added to the db patch | 04:18 |
| SridarK | that will get me moving on the plugin | 04:18 |
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| njohnston | Excellent, yes, I made an inventory of everything in the spec, and it looked like almost all of it was there, but some of the names were different from what the spec was looking for | 04:18 |
| SridarK | njohnston: ok great | 04:19 |
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| SridarK | njohnston: lets try to sync along with mfranc213 so we can close out some of these things so u can focus on the critical pieces in the db patch | 04:19 |
| njohnston | Sounds good | 04:20 |
| SridarK | padkrish: & yushiro: - i think u have been looking into the versioned objects pieces | 04:20 |
| mfranc213 | i'm sorry i have had no time to work on this. | 04:20 |
| SridarK | njohnston: , mfranc213: thx very much for all the detailed clarifications | 04:20 |
| yushiro | SridarK, Yes. | 04:20 |
| SridarK | mfranc213: i think ur responses were very helpful | 04:21 |
| padkrish | SridarK# Yes, looked into it a bit....need to understand more | 04:21 |
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| yushiro | SridarK, Currently, I'm trying to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268316/. | 04:21 |
| yushiro | But I couldn't yesterday. So, I've posted 'recheck'. | 04:21 |
| padkrish | +1 | 04:21 |
| yushiro | SridarK, I and Paddu discuss/summarize our works as follows: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas-v2-l2-agent | 04:21 |
| SridarK | yushiro: ok | 04:21 |
| * njohnston appreciates the summary | 04:22 | |
| SridarK | +1 this looks really useful | 04:23 |
| xgerman | +1 | 04:23 |
| SridarK | and i think a lot of this is also relevant to L3 | 04:23 |
| SridarK | with some tweaks | 04:23 |
| xgerman | Yes, I exo | 04:23 |
| xgerman | Eat the driver to be similar | 04:23 |
| SridarK | +1 | 04:23 |
| xgerman | At least the version end object part should be identical | 04:24 |
| SridarK | yes exactly | 04:24 |
| njohnston | +1 | 04:24 |
| xgerman | We need to get in the changes to the firewall driver ipchains early | 04:24 |
| SridarK | so if we can hook the ext - db - plugin together - we can start looking more into the versioned obj pieces that the plugin will need to support | 04:25 |
| xgerman | +1 | 04:25 |
| yushiro | xgerman, SridarK I think so. We need to know driver/plugin's interface in order to implement handle_xxx behavior. | 04:25 |
| SridarK | and we can start some integration with yushiro: & padkrish: | 04:25 |
| SridarK | yushiro: yes agreed | 04:25 |
| xgerman | Nice. | 04:25 |
| xgerman | Mickeys you are still on ipchains? | 04:26 |
| SridarK | i suspect any updates to FW objects (that have relevance to the backend) should push out notifications | 04:26 |
| mickeys | There are some basic issues with agent design that we have not discussed. Security groups pulls information in a port-centric manner. One port can have many groups associated with it. By pulling things on a port basis, all the groups of interest are grabbed. | 04:26 |
| xgerman | SridarK: +1 | 04:26 |
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| mickeys | For example, a rule may be added with a certain remote group that there was previously no interest in. How do you get the membership for that remote group? | 04:27 |
| mickeys | Do you pull it all in one shot? Or does the agent iterate? | 04:27 |
| mickeys | If it is all in one shot, what does that mean as far as versioned objects? With nested structures? | 04:27 |
| xgerman | You can have lists of versions objects | 04:28 |
| xgerman | So nested | 04:28 |
| SridarK | mickeys: good point, i have not thought thru this - but in the simplistic model - can we iterate ? | 04:28 |
| mickeys | Not sure. I have not thought about it much. I am reasonably familiar with what security groups does, but have not thought much about alternatives. | 04:28 |
| SridarK | i am still at the point where we need the basic things plumbed together | 04:29 |
| mickeys | One issue is that the agent tends to be stateless, i.e. it does not know what it already has. | 04:29 |
| mickeys | The driver knows. | 04:29 |
| mickeys | Wonders if it is OK for the agent to ask the driver? | 04:29 |
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| njohnston | How would the agent know to ask, except on startup? | 04:30 |
| xgerman | Can't the agent just pass the event on and the driver handles it | 04:30 |
| xgerman | ? | 04:30 |
| SridarK | mickeys: hmm that i am not so sure - as we cannot really know the state of the driver | 04:30 |
| SridarK | if we had a restart or so | 04:30 |
| mickeys | Actually I think the agent probably does check with the driver for some things today. All agents get notified of a change, but they then have to figure out which ports are affected. | 04:30 |
| xgerman | Yep, and the. Pull | 04:30 |
| xgerman | The info | 04:30 |
| mickeys | I have to recheck, remember how the agent figures this out. | 04:31 |
| xgerman | I think we should get the chain magic in so we can have our own chain fast and then iterate on the rest | 04:31 |
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| njohnston | +1 | 04:31 |
| SridarK | +1 | 04:31 |
| xgerman | Worried about review times in neutron | 04:31 |
| mickeys | Security groups generates a list of affected ports, then passes that to the server which determines all the relevant security groups based on the ports | 04:32 |
| xgerman | And they are quick with bumping us to O | 04:32 |
| SridarK | xgerman: sigh yes | 04:32 |
| SridarK | ok we have some discussion needed here | 04:33 |
| SridarK | once we figure out the basic versioned obj pieces - we will need to craft this carefully | 04:34 |
| xgerman | +1 | 04:34 |
| SridarK | mickeys: could i request u to track this along with chandanc: & SarathMekala: | 04:35 |
| mickeys | This meaning the two changes we need to propose to neutron security groups? | 04:35 |
| SridarK | yes | 04:35 |
| xgerman | +1 | 04:35 |
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| mickeys | SridarK: Let's talk tomorrow | 04:36 |
| SridarK | mickeys: ok sounds good | 04:36 |
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| SridarK | i think we have hit most of the areas we need to cover | 04:36 |
| SridarK | we have enough to worry abt b4 we get to CLI, Horizon etc | 04:37 |
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| SridarK | Would it be too unrealistic to target having a basic workflow going from API to iptables (with caveats) by the end of June ? | 04:38 |
| xgerman | Indeed. I don't see horizon before p | 04:38 |
| SridarK | If L2 has some things to be figured out, maybe L3 (with the existing L3 agent override) | 04:38 |
| * njohnston doesn't know if it is unrealistic or not | 04:38 | |
| xgerman | We should aim for that. Otherwise we will never make O1 | 04:39 |
| SridarK | xgerman: yes indeed | 04:39 |
| njohnston | good point xgerman | 04:39 |
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| SridarK | i think if we make steady progress - we will be able to pull it off | 04:39 |
| xgerman | +1 | 04:39 |
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| SridarK | we just need to prioritize the important things and make sure dependencies are unblocked (with some caveats/assumptions) | 04:40 |
| SridarK | ok sounds good | 04:40 |
| SridarK | anything else to discuss on v2 | 04:40 |
| SridarK | ? | 04:40 |
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| njohnston | Not here. I suggest we move on and talk about the release cycle change. | 04:41 |
| SridarK | +1 | 04:41 |
| njohnston | #topic release cycle change | 04:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release cycle change (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:41 | |
| njohnston | armax proposes we change from release:cycle-with-milestone to release:cycle-with-intermediary | 04:42 |
| SridarK | i think this is reasonable | 04:42 |
| njohnston | see: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/096281.html | 04:42 |
| njohnston | I support this change as I think it reduces pressure on us, and lets us keep focused on the real target | 04:42 |
| SridarK | we are still in some initial stages, once we have things in motion then we will have more things going in | 04:42 |
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| njohnston | For those unfamiliar, here is more information on release:cycle-with-intermediary, see: https://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/release_cycle-with-intermediary.html | 04:43 |
| xgerman | We did that in Octavia and weren't allowed to call our release Mitaka but instead "compatible with M" | 04:43 |
| xgerman | There is more than meets the eye | 04:43 |
| SridarK | xgerman: Hmm Ok | 04:44 |
| SridarK | the reality is that we just recovered from a broken repo and i think we should get more activity in the coming weeks | 04:44 |
| xgerman | Not a big deal just to be aware off that they trigger certain tags (we also need to watch those) | 04:45 |
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| xgerman | Otherwise I support that change | 04:45 |
| SridarK | xgerman: ok - i think u have experience here from Octavia - so we are in good hands | 04:45 |
| njohnston | Being release:cycle-with-intermediary doesn't seem to hurt ironic, magnum, or monasca | 04:45 |
| njohnston | But I look forward to seeing how it plays out | 04:45 |
| xgerman | I don't think it hurts :-) | 04:46 |
| SridarK | ok | 04:46 |
| SridarK | lets move on | 04:46 |
| SridarK | #topic Neutron Stadium | 04:46 |
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| SridarK | njohnston: thanks for capturing the important pieces from the spec | 04:47 |
| njohnston | I went through them on the agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas-meeting | 04:47 |
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| SridarK | i think we need to get v2 implemented, and make sure we are not ignoring any of these listed pieces | 04:48 |
| xgerman | Nice list! | 04:48 |
| SridarK | with that we should be good | 04:48 |
| njohnston | The area that I am most unfamiliar with is the documentation, apart from the api guide | 04:48 |
| xgerman | Documentation we can do in tree | 04:49 |
| njohnston | but except for my blind spot on documentation I agree, if we deliver v2 all sorts of woes will be healed | 04:49 |
| mickeys | Does anyone know what neutron-api is yet? | 04:49 |
| njohnston | as long as his condition of "reachable from docs.openstack.org" is met | 04:49 |
| njohnston | mickeys: Vaporware AFAICT but I assume it will be born RSN | 04:49 |
| SridarK | :-) | 04:50 |
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| xgerman | Is it the rework of the API Kevin is doing? | 04:50 |
| xgerman | Nowadays I lack the time to keep up :-( | 04:51 |
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| SridarK | ok i think we can move on | 04:52 |
| SridarK | #topic Open Discussion | 04:52 |
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| njohnston | I don't have anything, thanks SridarK for driving the meeting. | 04:53 |
| SridarK | if we can get some things detailed this week - we could plan for a virtual mid-cycle accordingly | 04:53 |
| xgerman | +1 | 04:53 |
| njohnston | +1 | 04:53 |
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| SridarK | ok sounds good | 04:54 |
| SridarK | other things folks would like to discuss | 04:54 |
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| yushiro | SridarK, plese let me confirm 1 thing. What should I ask Toshihiro? | 04:55 |
| njohnston | I will talk with the QoS guys about the generalization of the agent extension/notification stuff QoS has in the morning QoS meeting | 04:55 |
| xgerman | Nice! | 04:55 |
| SridarK | yushiro: i will send u an email | 04:55 |
| yushiro | SridarK, Thanks. | 04:55 |
| SridarK | njohnston: thx that will be good | 04:55 |
| SridarK | njohnston: mfranc213: shwetaap: thx for accomodating and staying up at this late hour | 04:56 |
| xgerman | +1 | 04:56 |
| * njohnston thinks we lost mfranc213 ;-) | 04:56 | |
| SridarK | ok if nothing else lets close, thanks all for a good discussion | 04:56 |
| SridarK | :-) | 04:57 |
| yushiro | njohnston, I'd like to share your understanding about QoS extension :) Because, I'm referring QoS extension now. | 04:57 |
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| yushiro | njohnston, let me send e-mail to you in order to sharing information. | 04:57 |
| SridarK | yushiro: yes that will be good | 04:58 |
| njohnston | yushiro: Excellent, I would like that | 04:58 |
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| SridarK | ok bye all, Thx | 04:58 |
| SridarK | #endmeeting | 04:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 04:58 | |
| yushiro | SridarK, njohnston Thanks! | 04:58 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 04:58:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-06-01-04.00.html | 04:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-06-01-04.00.txt | 04:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-06-01-04.00.log.html | 04:58 |
| yushiro | bye bye | 04:58 |
| chandanc | bye | 04:58 |
| xgerman | Bye | 04:58 |
| SridarK | bye | 04:58 |
| mickeys | bye | 04:58 |
| hoangcx | Bye | 04:59 |
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| soichi | hi | 05:30 |
| kaz | hi | 05:31 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 05:32 |
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| soichi | yamamoto: hello | 05:32 |
| vnyyad | hi | 05:32 |
| soichi | vnyyad: hi | 05:32 |
| yamamoto | let's start | 05:32 |
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| yamamoto | #startmeeting taas | 05:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 05:33:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamamoto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:33 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:33 |
| yamamoto | #topic Agenda | 05:33 |
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| yamamoto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas | 05:33 |
| yamamoto | #topic Provide Asynchronous API | 05:34 |
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| yamamoto | kaz: yours? | 05:34 |
| kaz | I am adding a status field in API. | 05:34 |
| vnyyad | kaz | 05:34 |
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| vnyyad | Kaz: that will be good | 05:34 |
| yamamoto | kaz: great | 05:35 |
| kaz | I will submit a patch set in a few days. | 05:35 |
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| soichi | we'd like to ask your review. | 05:35 |
| vnyyad | Kaz: Are enabling a communication path from Agents to Plugin to report status? | 05:35 |
| kaz | Not yet. | 05:36 |
| vnyyad | Kaz: Ok, I am also going to create a launch pad bug to remove Tap flow objects when the VM is deleted... cleanup | 05:37 |
| vnyyad | so for that may be it will be good to have a RPC from agents to plugin... what do you guys things | 05:37 |
| vnyyad | think | 05:37 |
| vnyyad | Kaz: so is there a plan to have the RPC from agent to Plugin in the future? | 05:38 |
| soichi | +1 | 05:38 |
| soichi | vnyyad: yes, i think so. | 05:38 |
| soichi | in the first step, "success" is set as default value | 05:39 |
| vnyyad | ok | 05:39 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: do you mean to remove tap-flow on port removal? | 05:40 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: yes | 05:40 |
| vnyyad | and also tap-service removal when the tap-service port goes missing | 05:41 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: "tap-service port goes missing"? | 05:41 |
| yamamoto | removal of the destination port? | 05:42 |
| vnyyad | yes | 05:42 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: all of them are server-side events, right? i'm not sure how rpc is related to that. | 05:43 |
| vnyyad | Yamamoto: i was more thinking of checking in the port on the compute node to see if they are still there and if they go missing then to inform the plugin to delete tap-flows related to that port | 05:44 |
| vnyyad | but if we could monitor the events on the plugin directly... that is listen to the events related to port deletion then we can do away with the rpc | 05:45 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: it sounds rather confusing than useful to me. i guess marking objects error/offline/etc makes more sense than deleting them. | 05:46 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: why so? | 05:47 |
| soichi | if we remove a tap-service when the tap-service port goes missing, i wonder tap-flows associated with the tap-service need to be removed too. | 05:48 |
| vnyyad | soichi: yes it will be a cascade delete | 05:48 |
| soichi | okay | 05:48 |
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| vnyyad | Yamamoto: the idea is to have unnecessary flows from the switches when the ports associated with tap-flow or tap-service go missing | 05:50 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: well, cleanup flows in switches is fine. removing rest-api level objects sounds unusual. | 05:52 |
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| vnyyad | Yamaamoto: ok... i get it... i suppose then we can mark it as inactive or some other error in the status | 05:53 |
| vnyyad | and latter the admin and check on them and delete them | 05:53 |
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| vnyyad | about the method to do it... any inputs? | 05:55 |
| vnyyad | should we do the detection of port being deleted from the agent or in the plugin | 05:56 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: i'm not sure if unbound ports should be considered as error at all. eg. vm for the port might have not been launched yet. | 05:58 |
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| vnyyad | yamomoto: yes that consideration will be made | 05:58 |
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| vnyyad | unbound port should/will not be deleted | 05:59 |
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| yamamoto | after all, if an admin is interested in the condition, he can check the status of port. i'm not sure if reflecting the status to taas objects is so useful. | 06:00 |
| soichi | i'm not sure, but | 06:01 |
| soichi | if a port is removed implicitly when a VM is deleted explicitly, i think tap-service and tap-flow (rest-api level object) can be removed implicitly with the port. | 06:01 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: i guess its still good to report the status... | 06:02 |
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| vnyyad | soichi: yes... the proposal is for cases related to the scenario you mentioned | 06:02 |
| yamamoto | well, we are talking about agent-level port-unbound event, rather than rest-api level port removal, right? | 06:03 |
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| vnyyad | yamamoto: agent-level port-unbound event for sure | 06:05 |
| vnyyad | but should we not delete the flow if it is a case of rest-api level port removal | 06:05 |
| vnyyad | ? | 06:05 |
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| yamamoto | rest-api level taas objects removal on rest-api level port removal sounds ok to me | 06:06 |
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| vnyyad | but as soichi said implicit port removal when VM is deleted also should be a case for removing the flows related to taas | 06:08 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: yes, but it doen't need to be tied to agent-level events. | 06:09 |
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| vnyyad | yamamoto: are you refering to not having the need to do port deletion detection on the agen? | 06:10 |
| vnyyad | the idea is the clean up the flows when a port is explicitly or implicitly deleted | 06:11 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: well, we probably need to handle the agent level events for switch flow cleanup. but no need to remove taas objects for the events. | 06:14 |
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| vnyyad | yamamoto: sure, we need not delete the taas objects but clean up the flows associated.... but i also think we should change the status on the taas objects | 06:15 |
| vnyyad | kaz: will you have the status for both the tap-service as well as for tap-flow? | 06:16 |
| kaz | yes | 06:16 |
| vnyyad | kaz: great | 06:16 |
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| soichi | so, my understand is: | 06:17 |
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| soichi | 1) tap-service and tap-flow object will be removed in case of port deletion | 06:17 |
| soichi | 2) tap-service and tap-flow object should be remained in case of agent-level port-unbound event and an appropriate staus should be set | 06:17 |
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| vnyyad | soichi: +1, this is better, as in explicit case the is no need to keep taas objects | 06:18 |
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| yamamoto | FYI, lbaas has two kinds of status; operating_status and provisioning_status. | 06:19 |
| soichi | thank you for your information | 06:20 |
| yamamoto | one for PENDING_CREATE etc and the other for ONLINE/DEGRADED etc. | 06:20 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: interesting will have a look | 06:20 |
| yamamoto | i thought our "status" thing was about PENDING_CREATE etc but what vnyyad is thinking sounds like the other one. | 06:21 |
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| vnyyad | yamamoto: yes ONLINE/DEGRADED is kind of stuff i am looking at to update | 06:22 |
| vnyyad | but cannot the two status be represented by the same field | 06:23 |
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| yamamoto | vnyyad: maybe. we need to define the set of possible statuses anyway. | 06:23 |
| soichi | yamamoto: +1 | 06:23 |
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| vnyyad | +1 | 06:24 |
| kaz | +1 | 06:24 |
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| vnyyad | a state machine of sort need to be defined for the status field | 06:24 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: +1 | 06:25 |
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| soichi | agree | 06:25 |
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| vnyyad | i will submit it by next meeting then so that it can be reviewed | 06:25 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: thank you | 06:25 |
| vnyyad | and we can have it in the agenda next time | 06:25 |
| soichi | sounds great | 06:26 |
| kaz | vnyyad: +1 | 06:27 |
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| yamamoto | #topic Open Discussion | 06:28 |
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| yamamoto | 2 mins left | 06:28 |
| yamamoto | vnyyad: any progress on LP permission update? | 06:28 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: no | 06:29 |
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| yamamoto | vnyyad: any obstacles? | 06:29 |
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| vnyyad | not rerally i havent worked on it yet ... so i guess i am the obstacle | 06:30 |
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| yamamoto | heh | 06:30 |
| yamamoto | no time left. thank you for attending! | 06:31 |
| yamamoto | #endmeeting | 06:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 06:31:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-06-01-05.33.html | 06:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-06-01-05.33.txt | 06:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-06-01-05.33.log.html | 06:31 |
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| soichi | bye | 06:31 |
| vnyyad | thanks bye! | 06:31 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 08:00:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 08:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 08:00 |
| robcresswell | Morning. Anyone around for Horizon meeting? | 08:01 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | hullo | 08:01 |
| * tsufiev waves his hand | 08:01 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | if you really want to :-) | 08:01 |
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| ayah | hi | 08:01 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | I'm also cooking my dinner right at the moment ;-) | 08:01 |
| robcresswell | There's no agenda, so just a quick couple of announcements then we can have open discussion | 08:02 |
| robcresswell | I'll be doing both the first stable/mitaka maint release, and the Newton Milestone 1 release in tbhe next day or two. | 08:03 |
| robcresswell | #link https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/newton-1 | 08:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | time flies | 08:04 |
| robcresswell | We're a little down on blueprints from where I'd like us to be, but have a ton of bugfixes in | 08:04 |
| robcresswell | So thats really good to see. Remember to check the N-2 milestone as I carry things over to make sure we dont miss deadlines. | 08:04 |
| robcresswell | In terms of stable improvements, we've already backported more than 2/3 the number of fixes that went into stable/liberty, so thats a great improvement too. | 08:05 |
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| robcresswell | Finally, another reminder about the midcycle: | 08:06 |
| robcresswell | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/HorizonNewtonSprint | 08:06 |
| robcresswell | Feel free to add topics to the etherpad. | 08:06 |
| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 08:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 08:06 | |
| robcresswell | Oh, and a big thankyou to tsufiev for fixing the gate and chasing the various patches through! | 08:07 |
| * tsufiev bows | 08:07 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | oh yes!! | 08:07 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | nice that we can get patches through again :-) | 08:07 |
| tsufiev | I´d like to discuss another potential DOA breaker though ;) | 08:08 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ouch | 08:08 |
| tsufiev | AKA AVAILABLE_REGIONS renaming thing | 08:08 |
| tsufiev | is the overall consensus that wiping out all REGION mentions where they are incorrect is too much for a setting name refactoring? | 08:09 |
| tsufiev | here is a link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224756/ | 08:09 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I have no opinion on this, sorry | 08:09 |
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| tsufiev | because if there is an opinion that it is too much, I would reduce the patches impact and make them to only alter just one setting name | 08:10 |
| tsufiev | although it may cause some minor confusion in future when endpoints will be referenced as regions | 08:11 |
| tsufiev | (referenced in code of DOA) | 08:11 |
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| robcresswell | I quite like the consistency in that patch, even though its a far reaching change | 08:11 |
| robcresswell | Will need a release note though. | 08:11 |
| robcresswell | Ah, the horizon patch has one. Ignore me. | 08:11 |
| * tsufiev stops typing link to horizon patch | 08:12 | |
| tsufiev | the important thing about these 2 patches is that it is preferrable to land them (if we really aim to) early in the cycle | 08:12 |
| tsufiev | that was my message :) | 08:13 |
| robcresswell | Okay. I'll take a look this week | 08:13 |
| robcresswell | Will ask bpokorny / david-lyle / lhcheng to look too. | 08:13 |
| robcresswell | THey tend to have opinions on those things | 08:13 |
| tsufiev | I´ll update DOA patch to make tests pass again | 08:13 |
| tsufiev | seems there was some badly resolved merge conflict | 08:14 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Does the horizon change for the integration tests need backporting? | 08:15 |
| robcresswell | Strangely they dont seem to be failing on the stable branches | 08:15 |
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| tsufiev | robcresswell, maybe devstack wasn´t updated for stable branches? | 08:15 |
| tsufiev | so the bug is still there, it hasn´t just triggered yet | 08:15 |
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| robcresswell | Ah, interesting thought | 08:16 |
| tsufiev | will doa==2.3.0 be consumed for stable/mitaka? | 08:16 |
| robcresswell | Both stable/liberty and /mitaka use uncapped d_o_a iirc | 08:16 |
| tsufiev | ah, ok | 08:17 |
| robcresswell | Doesnt cause a problem unless someone backports that keystone change. I wonder if we should proactively fix anyway. | 08:17 |
| tsufiev | if both liberty and mitaka switched to the latest doa, then it would make sense to backport horizon patch as well, at least for consistency | 08:17 |
| robcresswell | Yeah | 08:17 |
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| robcresswell | tsufiev: Do you have time to backport, or do you want me to? | 08:18 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, will do it | 08:18 |
| robcresswell | Thankyou | 08:18 |
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| robcresswell | Any other questions/ issues? Otherwise we will end early :) | 08:19 |
| tsufiev | I had some concern / food for thought / suspicion recently... | 08:20 |
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| tsufiev | mostly it´s about Django API wrappers and performance | 08:20 |
| tsufiev | so we´re switching to many asynchronous client-side calls done via Angular | 08:20 |
| tsufiev | but are we sure that Django under Apache can safely handle all these calls? | 08:21 |
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| tsufiev | I have a feeling that Django is going to become a performance bottleneck in case of many concurrent users | 08:21 |
| robcresswell | Hmm. | 08:22 |
| tsufiev | and is a concurrent users stress testing a thing that somebody tried ever? | 08:22 |
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| robcresswell | If it did bottleneck, the worst case scenario would be that it dropped to a synchronous pace, unless it fell over entirely. | 08:23 |
| tsufiev | as I read about greenlets and its comparison how Django with Apache limited threads, I got this feeling - look, it is exactly our case! | 08:23 |
| robcresswell | As for scale, I don't have any solid data. I know eric is running the new swift UI, and hasnt complained about that particular issue yet | 08:23 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, okay, maybe Horizon has yet to hit these issues :) | 08:24 |
| tsufiev | let us not run ahead of time | 08:24 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, what do you think of ^^ ? | 08:24 |
| robcresswell | We may have lost richard to dinner | 08:25 |
| tsufiev | better lose dinner to richard :) | 08:25 |
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| robcresswell | haha | 08:26 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, treat the above as a piece of ¨food for thought¨ | 08:26 |
| tsufiev | better to start thinking about it early | 08:26 |
| robcresswell | Agreed, lets pick it up again when we have more content to test and verify performance against | 08:26 |
| robcresswell | Instances table/panel would be ideal for this, since even the table listing hits multiple APIs | 08:27 |
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| tsufiev | any other open discussion topics? | 08:29 |
| robcresswell | :) Lets end here | 08:29 |
| robcresswell | Thanks everyone | 08:29 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 08:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 08:29:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-06-01-08.00.html | 08:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-06-01-08.00.txt | 08:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-06-01-08.00.log.html | 08:29 |
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| njohnston | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 12:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 12:59:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is njohnston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 13:00 |
| ajo_ | o/ :) | 13:00 |
| njohnston | oops an hour early | 13:00 |
| njohnston | #endmeeting | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 13:00:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-06-01-12.59.html | 13:00 |
| ajo_ | hmm | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-06-01-12.59.txt | 13:00 |
| claudiub | yeah. :) | 13:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-06-01-12.59.log.html | 13:00 |
| claudiub | :d | 13:00 |
| claudiub | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 13:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is claudiub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| ajo_ | woops :D | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:00 |
| njohnston | darn my calendar got daylight-savings-jacked again | 13:00 |
| claudiub | no problem. ?) | 13:00 |
| njohnston | sorry hyper-v folks | 13:00 |
| sagar_nikam | Hi All | 13:00 |
| claudiub | no worries. :) | 13:00 |
| claudiub | hello folks | 13:01 |
| c64cosmin | o/ hello all | 13:01 |
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| lpetrut | Hi | 13:01 |
| itoader | hi | 13:01 |
| claudiub | ok. so let's get to it | 13:01 |
| claudiub | #topic monasca patches | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "monasca patches (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:01 | |
| claudiub | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/add-windows-support | 13:01 |
| claudiub | blueprint is approved, there are 12 patches up already. | 13:02 |
| claudiub | Roland reviewed a couple of them. | 13:02 |
| claudiub | got some review on the process checker | 13:02 |
| claudiub | although, the patch on process checker is more of a bugfix, tbh | 13:03 |
| sagar_nikam | nice | 13:03 |
| claudiub | basically, there are no lower or upper constraints on psutil | 13:03 |
| claudiub | and psutil 2.0.0+ and older than 2.0.0 behave differently | 13:03 |
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| claudiub | in OpenStack requirements, psutil is limited to >=1.2.0<2.0.0, if I'm not mistaken | 13:04 |
| claudiub | so that means that if you have other OpenStack services on your nodes, chances are you have psutil < 2.0.0 | 13:04 |
| claudiub | so, had to address this issue | 13:04 |
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| claudiub | anyways. the hypervisor checker is still work in progress. had to do some refactor on it, and I have to include hyper-v specific metrics, like disk iops and latency | 13:05 |
| atuvenie | hi all, sorry I'm late | 13:06 |
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| claudiub | iis checker and wmi checker require minor updates, I haven't sent the patches for them up yet. | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam | with the 12 patches, are we done or more patches still required ? | 13:06 |
| claudiub | any questions? | 13:06 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: well, one for iis checker, one for wmi checker, for hypervisor checker... don't know yet, 2-3 I think. | 13:07 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: any more patches required apart from the 12 ? | 13:07 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:07 |
| claudiub | but the big stuff is pretty much done. | 13:07 |
| claudiub | any questions? :) | 13:07 |
| sagar_nikam | good | 13:07 |
| claudiub | cool, moving on. :) | 13:07 |
| sagar_nikam | and it all works well with monasca ? | 13:07 |
| claudiub | yep | 13:07 |
| claudiub | #topic designate support | 13:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "designate support (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:07 | |
| claudiub | abalutoiu: started working on this. | 13:08 |
| sagar_nikam | nice .. very good progress in short time | 13:08 |
| claudiub | the APIs are not very well documented, so, it might take a little bit of time to get everything right. | 13:08 |
| sagar_nikam | from what i know, designate already has some windows support | 13:09 |
| claudiub | All the Windows DNS specific code will be in os-win, of course, and it will be used in designate | 13:09 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: We've met with the designate TPL, he said there isn't. :) | 13:09 |
| sagar_nikam | oh ... ok | 13:10 |
| sagar_nikam | fine | 13:10 |
| abalutoiu | sagar_nikam also I haven't found anything related to windows in designate | 13:10 |
| claudiub | or if it was, it wasn't tested and time flew by, it stopped working properly. | 13:10 |
| claudiub | anyways, this is still WIP. let's see how it goes | 13:11 |
| claudiub | #topic freezer support | 13:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "freezer support (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:11 | |
| claudiub | lpetrut: is currently working on this, he's working on a POC, to see how everything works and how it goes | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:12 |
| lpetrut | yep, so, I'll have the code ready really soon, at the moment I'm preparing the os-win side, including support for leveraging the Hyper-V VSS writer. As soon as I have this, I'll send blueprints on Freezer and start submitting code there as well | 13:13 |
| claudiub | yeay. :) | 13:13 |
| lpetrut | wanted to see how the code gets shaped first so that the blueprint would include meaningful information | 13:14 |
| claudiub | cul. :) | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | once freezer and monasca are in good shape, we plan to start testing it | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | both of them | 13:14 |
| lpetrut | that's great | 13:14 |
| claudiub | sounds good. :) | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | let us know when you think we can start | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | however the only issue is we are on Mitaka | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | hopefully we can backport and test | 13:15 |
| claudiub | as far as I know, Freezer is undergoing heavy refactoring | 13:15 |
| sagar_nikam | i guess that should not be difficult | 13:15 |
| claudiub | so, the code submitted won't be compatible with mitaka | 13:15 |
| sagar_nikam | oh ... | 13:15 |
| claudiub | moving on. | 13:16 |
| sagar_nikam | anyhow we can test with devstack and cloudbase MSI | 13:16 |
| claudiub | true. :) | 13:16 |
| claudiub | #topic Windows Containers | 13:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Windows Containers (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:17 | |
| claudiub | atuvenie: is barely containing her excitement on this subject. :) | 13:17 |
| claudiub | haa | 13:17 |
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| atuvenie | ha ha :) | 13:17 |
| atuvenie | yeah, so I'm looking into kubernetees on Windows right now | 13:17 |
| sagar_nikam | am i also keen to know how containers work in windows | 13:18 |
| atuvenie | There is an active effort within the kubernetees community to make it work with Windows | 13:18 |
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| claudiub | there are plenty of guides around the internet on windows containers. At the moment, we've submitted some patches to nova-docker for Windows Containers | 13:19 |
| claudiub | I think this was in mitaka | 13:19 |
| sagar_nikam | the plan is to use/support nova-docker ? | 13:19 |
| atuvenie | sagar_nikam: there are 2 directions here | 13:19 |
| atuvenie | so there is nova-docker | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam | i thought we were going with magnum | 13:20 |
| atuvenie | but, there is also magnum | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam | fine | 13:20 |
| atuvenie | but magnum uses kubernetes, docker swarm and mesos | 13:20 |
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| claudiub | yep. | 13:20 |
| atuvenie | we are looking into kubernetees on windows | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam | patches in nova-docker already merged ? | 13:20 |
| atuvenie | and into docker swarm, but the main focus right now is kubernetees | 13:21 |
| claudiub | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219657/ | 13:21 |
| claudiub | that is the patch on nova-docker regarding Windows Containers. | 13:21 |
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| atuvenie | so the plan is that after we get kubernetees to work on windows, we can go ahead with magnum | 13:22 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: can we have a blog post on how to use nova-docker for windows ? | 13:22 |
| claudiub | so, our work on nova-docker is done, we are focusing on magnum right now | 13:22 |
| atuvenie | the problem with magnum, is that the heat templates are heavily linux oriented | 13:23 |
| sagar_nikam | people can start using/testing it | 13:23 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: I'm not sure we have made a blog post about this | 13:23 |
| claudiub | I can't seem to find it at least. | 13:24 |
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| sagar_nikam | claudiub: i requested for a blog post | 13:24 |
| claudiub | yeah, I think we should do it, if time allows it | 13:24 |
| sagar_nikam | it is not there yet | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam | ok agree | 13:25 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: I don't think we've made one yet. Will take the suggestion into account. :) | 13:25 |
| claudiub | #topic buuugs | 13:26 |
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| sagar_nikam | thanks | 13:26 |
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| claudiub | is sonu joining us? | 13:26 |
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| sagar_nikam | he is on vacation this week | 13:26 |
| claudiub | ah, I see. | 13:26 |
| claudiub | #link Fixes for multiple physnets in HyperV compute https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322068/ | 13:27 |
| claudiub | so, I've reviewed this, I left some comments on it. | 13:27 |
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| claudiub | primarely, there is some usecase that wasn't considered. | 13:28 |
| sagar_nikam | sure i will ask the team to check | 13:28 |
| claudiub | #link Fix for Neutron agent hang on nova boot https://review.openstack.org/321452 | 13:28 |
| claudiub | I haven't commented on this yet. I will want to verify and reproduce the bug | 13:29 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:29 |
| claudiub | the bug report is very nicely explained | 13:29 |
| claudiub | and the steps are quite detailed | 13:29 |
| sagar_nikam | some of these bugs are from our scale test setup | 13:29 |
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| claudiub | but from what I can see in the fix, it will monkey patch the threading module | 13:30 |
| claudiub | and native threads as well | 13:30 |
| claudiub | which will have a negative performance impact. :( | 13:30 |
| claudiub | so, I'll try to see exactly who, where, why this hang happens. | 13:30 |
| sagar_nikam | ok, let me check with sonu on it | 13:31 |
| claudiub | hopefully, we won't have to monkey patch the threads. | 13:31 |
| claudiub | #link Provide backwards compatibility for sec_group driver https://review.openstack.org/322117 | 13:31 |
| claudiub | this is an easy one | 13:31 |
| claudiub | basically, the story is that in Liberty, the Neutron controller would have 'icmpv6' security group rules, while in mitaka and newer, they are called 'ipv6-icmp' | 13:32 |
| claudiub | so, having a Liberty Neutron controller with Mitaka / Newton neutron-hyperv-agent would have been bad | 13:33 |
| claudiub | with this, it will work. | 13:34 |
| claudiub | anyways. | 13:34 |
| claudiub | moving on. | 13:34 |
| claudiub | #topic FreeRDP | 13:34 |
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| claudiub | c64cosmin: hellou. :) | 13:34 |
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| c64cosmin | o/ | 13:34 |
| claudiub | any news? :) | 13:35 |
| c64cosmin | sort of | 13:35 |
| c64cosmin | well I'm been stuck in a delay | 13:35 |
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| c64cosmin | so I'm sorry to tell sagar and domi that RDP will be delayed a bit | 13:35 |
| sagar_nikam | oh .... | 13:35 |
| c64cosmin | I hope I will finish by the end of this week | 13:35 |
| sagar_nikam | have we hit some complex issue ? | 13:36 |
| sagar_nikam | end of this week should be fine | 13:36 |
| sagar_nikam | i have requested my test team to pick up the new MSI whenever it is ready | 13:36 |
| c64cosmin | so we upgraded to the new boost/openssl/cpprestsdk | 13:36 |
| c64cosmin | until now that seems find | 13:36 |
| c64cosmin | I cannot merge the the PR until those are ok | 13:37 |
| claudiub | domi007: you around? | 13:37 |
| c64cosmin | also we will build for x86&x64 in MSI and zip format too | 13:37 |
| c64cosmin | zip is important for Nano | 13:37 |
| c64cosmin | deb and rpm will follow after | 13:37 |
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| c64cosmin | the good news is that I've managed to isolate the crash bug | 13:37 |
| c64cosmin | it's hard to replicate though | 13:38 |
| sagar_nikam | deb will be available ... that is great news.... | 13:38 |
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| c64cosmin | as I said, you and will find out that the MSI is out | 13:38 |
| c64cosmin | and I will take care of that personally | 13:38 |
| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: have you seen the issue where keystrokes dont work ? | 13:38 |
| c64cosmin | yep | 13:39 |
| sagar_nikam | and only mouse click works | 13:39 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:39 |
| c64cosmin | that one seems to be from FreeRDP library itself | 13:39 |
| sagar_nikam | so is there a fix for that as well | 13:39 |
| c64cosmin | if you are using get-vmconsole from powershell, you'd get the same problem | 13:39 |
| c64cosmin | I will get in touch with the FreeRDP people and see if there is a resolution | 13:39 |
| sagar_nikam | ok ... that is a critical defect | 13:40 |
| c64cosmin | indeed, it seems that HyperV doesn't do a 'keyboard refresh' for this one | 13:40 |
| sagar_nikam | without keystrokes working.. RDP console is not so useful | 13:40 |
| c64cosmin | so this issue can be triggered from the console | 13:40 |
| c64cosmin | but can be solved | 13:40 |
| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: do you have a defect id for that already raised ? | 13:40 |
| c64cosmin | id? | 13:41 |
| sagar_nikam | i mean bug number | 13:41 |
| sagar_nikam | which i can follow | 13:41 |
| sagar_nikam | to see how the progress | 13:42 |
| c64cosmin | not yet, I'm not sure on which branch we are building the CI with | 13:42 |
| c64cosmin | updating the CI might solve this issues | 13:42 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:43 |
| c64cosmin | this issue with the keyboard also appears on the console | 13:43 |
| c64cosmin | if you leave the console while a key is pressed | 13:43 |
| sagar_nikam | you mean on VM console on HyperV host ? | 13:43 |
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| c64cosmin | the html5 | 13:44 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:44 |
| c64cosmin | don't remember if that is upstream or not | 13:44 |
| c64cosmin | anyhow, I never got a problem with the keyboard on both of the console | 13:44 |
| sagar_nikam | i hit the issue often | 13:45 |
| sagar_nikam | with horixon console | 13:46 |
| sagar_nikam | horizon | 13:46 |
| claudiub | anything else? | 13:47 |
| claudiub | moving on, then. | 13:47 |
| claudiub | #topic os-brick patches | 13:47 |
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| sagar_nikam | sure i am done | 13:47 |
| claudiub | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/os-brick-windows-support | 13:47 |
| claudiub | one of the patches merged, which is great. :D | 13:48 |
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| claudiub | and the other one was reviewed once by hemna. | 13:48 |
| claudiub | and it was split into 3 patches, in order to make it easier to review | 13:48 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:48 |
| claudiub | it was extremely big before. :) | 13:48 |
| sagar_nikam | there was a nova patch as well | 13:48 |
| sagar_nikam | i had requested hemna to review it | 13:48 |
| claudiub | yeah. that's waiting for these patches to get in first. | 13:48 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:49 |
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| sagar_nikam | hopefully we will have FC support in Newton | 13:49 |
| claudiub | after these patches merge, we should request an os-brick release. | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | we have been trying from liberty | 13:49 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: yep, I hope so too. :) | 13:49 |
| claudiub | #topic Open Discussion | 13:49 |
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| claudiub | ok, so, a couple of things.. | 13:50 |
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| claudiub | you might want to read this: | 13:50 |
| c64cosmin | that's embarasing, back | 13:50 |
| claudiub | #link http://www.slideshare.net/alessandropilotti/puppet-windows-nano-server?qid=79617a6c-e608-417e-b8ba-a6e3dc6c48cf&v=&b=&from_search=1 | 13:50 |
| claudiub | it's about Windows Nano and how to use it | 13:50 |
| sagar_nikam | sure | 13:51 |
| sagar_nikam | will read it | 13:51 |
| claudiub | fyi, Nano is an installation option available on the Windows Server 2016 images, including TP5. | 13:51 |
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| sagar_nikam | last time i mentioned about nano not support MSI | 13:51 |
| claudiub | yep | 13:51 |
| claudiub | that is what I was going to say next. :) | 13:51 |
| sagar_nikam | what's the plan for it | 13:51 |
| claudiub | we do some magic. :) | 13:52 |
| claudiub | #link Hyper-V Compute Installer https://cloudbase.it/downloads/HyperVNovaCompute_Mitaka_13_0_0.zip | 13:52 |
| claudiub | yeah, so the solution is to use the zip installer. | 13:52 |
| claudiub | that's it. | 13:52 |
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| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:53 |
| sagar_nikam | i had a question on cluster driver | 13:53 |
| claudiub | fair warning, it uses python 3.4. We have fixed the majority of python 3.4 issues in this installer for Mitaka (patches still pending on Nova on Newton). | 13:53 |
| claudiub | but there might be some issues that are not apparent. | 13:54 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: sure, go ahead. | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | now that many nova patches are merged, can we have cluster driver in higher priority for core reviewers | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | we are very keen on cluster driver getting merged in newton | 13:55 |
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| claudiub | also, we are going to attend the OpenStack CEE Day in Budapest next week. | 13:55 |
| claudiub | #link http://openstackceeday.com/ | 13:55 |
| sagar_nikam | lets try to get it merged in newton | 13:55 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: sure, it needs to be reviewed. The sooner, the better. :) | 13:55 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: some help on the reviewing part would be great. | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam | for us that is the most important patch for mitaka | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam | i mean newton | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam | yes sure we will review | 13:56 |
| claudiub | anything else? | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam | nothing much | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam | all discussion done... early today | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam | :) | 13:57 |
| claudiub | indeed. :) | 13:57 |
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| claudiub | fastest one. :) | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam | yes by 3 mins | 13:57 |
| claudiub | there was an email on the ML about Hyper-V vs KVM | 13:57 |
| claudiub | trying to find it | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam | intrested about it | 13:58 |
| sagar_nikam | what is being discussed | 13:58 |
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| claudiub | #link http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/openstack/dev/54736 | 13:58 |
| claudiub | i think this should be it. | 13:58 |
| claudiub | bassically, the guy tried out some DB performance tests on hyper-v / kvm | 13:59 |
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| claudiub | hyper-v was more stable, faster, and lower host cpu usage. :) | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam | :) | 13:59 |
| claudiub | and I don't think he used any performance enhancing tricks that I've included in my reply. | 14:00 |
| claudiub | anyways | 14:00 |
| claudiub | thanks folks for joining today. :0 | 14:00 |
| claudiub | :) | 14:00 |
| claudiub | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 14:00:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-06-01-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-06-01-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-06-01-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
| njohnston | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 14:00:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is njohnston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 14:01 |
| njohnston | All: I am having some trouble with my network; can someone else drive the meeting? I have the agenda laid out at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron_qos_meeting_chair | 14:01 |
| njohnston | I am signed on from my iPhone which makes for poor typing and worse copy and paste | 14:01 |
| ajo_ | sure njohnston :) | 14:01 |
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| njohnston | #chair ajo_ | 14:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ajo_ njohnston | 14:01 |
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| ajo_ | not sure if the attendance is very high today :) | 14:02 |
| davidsha | Hey | 14:02 |
| ajo_ | slaweq was not able to join | 14:02 |
| ajo_ | hi davidsha :) | 14:02 |
| ajo_ | nice | 14:02 |
| ralonsoh | hello | 14:02 |
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| ajo_ | hi ralonsoh :) | 14:03 |
| ajo_ | ping ihrachys :) | 14:03 |
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| ajo_ | I will revert the order of bugs / RFEs if that works for you njohnston | 14:04 |
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| njohnston | By all means ajo_ | 14:04 |
| ajo_ | thanks :) | 14:04 |
| ajo_ | revert = invert | 14:04 |
| ajo_ | we have: | 14:04 |
| ajo_ | #topic Approved RFEs | 14:04 |
| ajo_ | #link http://tinyurl.com/qos-rfe-approved | 14:04 |
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| ajo_ | a new approved RFE (min bandwidth egress on the hypervisor) :) | 14:05 |
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| ajo_ | ralonsoh++ | 14:05 |
| ralonsoh | working on it | 14:05 |
| ajo_ | and ihrachys++ as approver | 14:05 |
| ralonsoh | I'll upload the last spec revision in one hour | 14:05 |
| ajo_ | regarding that, are you aware of the discussion around the ingress/egress direction field, and extended rule validation stuff? | 14:05 |
| ralonsoh | yes | 14:06 |
| ralonsoh | that's my question | 14:06 |
| ralonsoh | there is nothing yet defined | 14:06 |
| ajo_ | ok, good, those are things that we can handle/switch at the last moment | 14:06 |
| ajo_ | before merging it, the change shall not be big | 14:06 |
| ralonsoh | i'll upload only the changes for ovs | 14:06 |
| ralonsoh | then LB and then sr-iov | 14:06 |
| ajo_ | For those not aware, we're talking about : | 14:06 |
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| hichihara | hi | 14:06 |
| hichihara | I have a question about PoC for minimum bandwith. | 14:07 |
| ajo_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1586056 extended rule validation | 14:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586056 in neutron "[RFE] Improved validation mechanism for QoS rules with port types" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:07 |
| hichihara | I think that linux-htb must be set to patch-tun or int-br-<phys> in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318531/2/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/openvswitch/agent/extension_drivers/qos_driver.py | 14:07 |
| ajo_ | hi hichihara go ahead :) | 14:07 |
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| ralonsoh | hichihara i made a comment | 14:07 |
| hichihara | ajo_: what do you think? | 14:07 |
| hichihara | ralonsoh: I saw it but I cannot agree | 14:07 |
| ajo_ | hichihara, patch-tun does not support htb/queues unless we convert it to a veth | 14:07 |
| ralonsoh | ok | 14:08 |
| ajo_ | which is less performant. | 14:08 |
| ajo_ | but I haven't looked at the code details yet | 14:08 |
| ajo_ | hichihara, that's the way I did it on my experiments | 14:08 |
| ajo_ | something else that was suggested in the ovn/ovs list | 14:08 |
| ajo_ | is that we could create the queues in the physical interfaces which we have tunnel traffic going through | 14:08 |
| hichihara | But each taps linux-htb really work fine? | 14:08 |
| ajo_ | and then (somehow, I don't know how yet) attach those queues to ovs | 14:08 |
| ajo_ | let me look at the current code & discussion, 1 sec | 14:09 |
| ajo_ | but may be we can sort that out in the review. Probably we have enough time today. | 14:09 |
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| ajo_ | ah | 14:09 |
| ajo_ | I see | 14:09 |
| ajo_ | ralonsoh, hichira is right, that doesn't work, I believe | 14:10 |
| hichihara | ralonsoh: I'd like to run the code so please upload a code working | 14:10 |
| ajo_ | for linux htb to work... | 14:10 |
| hichihara | Yeah! | 14:10 |
| ajo_ | you need to have some hierarchy on the queues over the same device | 14:10 |
| ajo_ | for example | 14:10 |
| ajo_ | imagine we did it on the patch port that goes to br-tun | 14:10 |
| ajo_ | (but that it was a veth, otherwise it does not work). | 14:10 |
| ralonsoh | yes | 14:10 |
| hichihara | yes, we need use veth | 14:11 |
| ralonsoh | ok, I'll review this, but I don't understand your request | 14:11 |
| ajo_ | you need first, to create the top queue, where you specify the "max" of the link (this is the amount the kernel uses to make sure it substract bandwidth from other ports... beause it's reaching the "top queue" max) | 14:11 |
| ajo_ | and | 14:11 |
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| ajo_ | under that queue, you add up every separate queue, for every port | 14:11 |
| ajo_ | so | 14:12 |
| ajo_ | effectively | 14:12 |
| ajo_ | you have | 14:12 |
| ralonsoh | ok | 14:12 |
| ajo_ | patch-port-to-br-tun : "queue" max: 10Gbps (for example) | 14:12 |
| hichihara | ajo_: ++ | 14:12 |
| ajo_ | under that queue (hierarchically) | 14:12 |
| ralonsoh | but how can I specify the max QoS for tunnel or physical nics? | 14:12 |
| ajo_ | |_ port 1 queue , min: 1Gbps | 14:12 |
| ajo_ | |_ port 2 queue, min: 3Gbps | 14:12 |
| ajo_ | etc... | 14:12 |
| ralonsoh | ok | 14:12 |
| ajo_ | otherwise the linux kernel does not know how to do it | 14:13 |
| ajo_ | let me send you a link, 1 sec | 14:13 |
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| hichihara | ajo_: Agree! | 14:13 |
| ajo_ | ralonsoh, hichihara : https://github.com/mangelajo/ovs-experiments/blob/master/qos/qos_complex_traffic_shapping.sh#L277 | 14:14 |
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| hichihara | nice | 14:14 |
| ralonsoh | ajo: perfect, thanks for the info | 14:14 |
| ralonsoh | i'll submit a new code | 14:14 |
| hichihara | and this link( http://horms.net/projects/openvswitch/2010-10/openvswitch.en.pdf ) helped to understand for me | 14:14 |
| ajo_ | btw | 14:14 |
| ajo_ | it seems | 14:14 |
| ajo_ | (per ovn list conversation) | 14:15 |
| ajo_ | that we don't necessarily need to create veth ports, | 14:15 |
| ajo_ | let me explain | 14:15 |
| ajo_ | for tunnels, we have the physical interface that will handle the traffic (eth0, eth1, ... etc) | 14:15 |
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| ajo_ | so, we create those queues there (apparently, it's possible) | 14:15 |
| ajo_ | and then that's it | 14:15 |
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| ajo_ | I wonder if we will have to do any magic trick to allow a port which is not directly attached to OVS bridge, to be used to create queues | 14:16 |
| ajo_ | if that's not possible, we will have to use veths, until that's possible | 14:16 |
| ralonsoh | ajo_: ok | 14:16 |
| hichihara | But how we know the physical interface? | 14:16 |
| ajo_ | hichihara, by looking at the tunnel endpoint IP, the default routes, and the system interfaces | 14:17 |
| hichihara | I'm OK. We first can try your suggestion. And second plan is veth. | 14:17 |
| ralonsoh | ajo_: the tunnel nic is easy | 14:17 |
| ajo_ | in the case of provider networks, it's easier, because the interface is directly attached to the br-* bridge | 14:17 |
| ralonsoh | but not the physical bridge nic | 14:17 |
| ajo_ | let me look for the ovs mail list message | 14:17 |
| ajo_ | [ovs-dev] [RFC] QOS using queues in OVN | 14:19 |
| ajo_ | [ovs-dev] [RFC] QOS using queues in OVN | 14:19 |
| ajo_ | '':D | 14:19 |
| ajo_ | my copy paste is crazy | 14:19 |
| hichihara | :) | 14:20 |
| ajo_ | https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openvswitch.org/msg62077.html | 14:20 |
| ajo_ | ok, so let's move on the topic | 14:20 |
| ajo_ | and let's keep working on the technical details, ralonsoh thanks for tackling this blueprint! :) | 14:20 |
| hichihara | ajo_: Thanks. I will check your link :) | 14:20 |
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| ajo_ | talking again about | 14:21 |
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| ajo_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1586056 extended rule validation | 14:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586056 in neutron "[RFE] Improved validation mechanism for QoS rules with port types" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:21 |
| ajo_ | slawek and I created a POC https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319694/ | 14:22 |
| ajo_ | it's still a very early version | 14:22 |
| ajo_ | but that would allow us to introduce new fields on the rules | 14:22 |
| ajo_ | and every mechanism driver / binding type to declare which rules & fields are supported. | 14:22 |
| ajo_ | for example: | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319694/8/neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/openvswitch/mech_driver/mech_openvswitch.py | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | supported_qos_rule_types = { | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | qos_consts.RULE_TYPE_BANDWIDTH_LIMIT: { | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | "max_kbps": [], | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | "max_burst_kbps": [] | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | }, | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | qos_consts.RULE_TYPE_DSCP_MARK: { | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | "dscp_mark": [] | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | } | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | } | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | if we added direction to bandwidth limit, we could have | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | "direction": ["egress"], | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | for sr-iov | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | and | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | "direction" : [] | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | for ovs | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | and we would add two things | 14:24 |
| ajo_ | 1) validation at API call levels | 14:24 |
| ajo_ | to... rule-update, rule-create, port-update (policy), network-update (policy) | 14:24 |
| ajo_ | so, if we detect an incompatible combination of port + policy-rule(including arguments), we fail the API call with a reasonable explanation for the user/admin. | 14:25 |
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| ajo_ | 2) reporting | 14:25 |
| ajo_ | by introducing a new call | 14:25 |
| ajo_ | which would report the binding types (or vnic_type) to rule&argument combinations. | 14:25 |
| ajo_ | --- | 14:25 |
| ajo_ | This would enable us to incrementally enhance our rules as necessary | 14:26 |
| ajo_ | while we support the heterogeneous nature of the technologies we support | 14:26 |
| ajo_ | (support support... 'X) | 14:26 |
| ajo_ | --- | 14:26 |
| ajo_ | the other option would be | 14:27 |
| ajo_ | we rename the bandwidth-limit rule to egress-bandwidth-limit | 14:27 |
| ajo_ | and introduce a new ingress-bandwidth-limit | 14:27 |
| ajo_ | and, same thing goes to all other directional rules (like the min bw ralonsoh is working on) | 14:27 |
| ajo_ | ------ | 14:27 |
| ajo_ | but we would hit the same problem the day we introduce support for traffic classifiers... | 14:27 |
| ajo_ | if we attach a classifier to rules, ... some technologies will support that, some will not | 14:28 |
| ajo_ | ---- | 14:28 |
| ajo_ | ralonsoh, njohnston , hichihara , ihrachys thoughts? | 14:28 |
| ralonsoh | I need to review the code and ground any idea... | 14:29 |
| njohnston | ^^ what he said :-) | 14:29 |
| ajo_ | lol ':D | 14:29 |
| ajo_ | heavy duty stuff, sorry guys :D | 14:29 |
| ralonsoh | But I think the first option (with directions) is better | 14:29 |
| ajo_ | if you have time to review the RFE and the ideas... | 14:29 |
| ralonsoh | I mean: have a parameter with the direction | 14:29 |
| ajo_ | yes, that's the basis, if we believe that extending rules that way is more healthy... then that's the way | 14:30 |
| ajo_ | I believe that | 14:30 |
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| ajo_ | all the above stuff boils down to... | 14:30 |
| ajo_ | imagine that you have a network with 4 ports, 2 OVS ports, and 2 SR-IOV ports | 14:30 |
| ajo_ | and that network has a policy "A", with a bw limit rule on egress, 10Mbps | 14:30 |
| ajo_ | admin comes via api and tries | 14:31 |
| ajo_ | neutron qos-policy-rule-update "A" <rule-id> --direction ingress | 14:31 |
| ajo_ | it should fail with a meaningful message | 14:31 |
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| ajo_ | "port X binded by sr-iov, does not support direction: ingress for this rule.." | 14:31 |
| ajo_ | I should have started by that ':D | 14:32 |
| ralonsoh | hehehe agree! | 14:32 |
| hichihara | I agree the arrangement. QoS is complexed for me. We need to make it more uniform. | 14:32 |
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| ajo_ | thanks hichihara , yes, it's indeed a complex topic, because not all technologies can implement the same features. | 14:33 |
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| ajo_ | and if we stick to the minimum subset, we just ended with DSCP & max bw egress... :) | 14:33 |
| ajo_ | ok, let's move on | 14:34 |
| ajo_ | #topic non approved RFE's | 14:34 |
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| ajo_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=qos+rfe+&field.tags_combinator=ALL | 14:34 |
| ajo_ | let's see if we have something new around | 14:34 |
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| ajo_ | it looks like not | 14:35 |
| ajo_ | ok, | 14:35 |
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| njohnston | Can the traffic classification RFE be moved out of incomplete status? | 14:35 |
| ajo_ | let me link this tangential RFE: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1563967 | 14:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1563967 in neutron "[RFE] Extend l2-extensions-api for flow management " [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Miguel Angel Ajo (mangelajo) | 14:35 |
| ajo_ | njohnston, let me see, sec | 14:36 |
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| ajo_ | so they moved it to incomplete because we were prioritizing other things: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1563967 | 14:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1563967 in neutron "[RFE] Extend l2-extensions-api for flow management " [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Miguel Angel Ajo (mangelajo) | 14:38 |
| ajo_ | sorry | 14:38 |
| ajo_ | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-03-24-22.01.log.html#l-104 | 14:38 |
| ajo_ | the RFE is bound to having classifiers, and I guess we need to solve that first | 14:39 |
| ajo_ | davidsha, how do you see it ? | 14:39 |
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| davidsha | ajo_: I agree, priority queuing requires traffic to be classified and funneled into 4 queues, so the Common classifier is a requirment | 14:40 |
| njohnston | Ok got it | 14:40 |
| ajo_ | davidsha, may be we could move it back to Wishlist, but I wonder how do we do if it's dependent into classifiers | 14:41 |
| ajo_ | I wouldn't make sense to get it approved without the dependency first | 14:41 |
| ajo_ | davidsha, any advance on the classifier front ? I've lost track of that thread | 14:41 |
| davidsha | ajo_: the rfe was filed, thats all thats been done so far | 14:43 |
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| ajo_ | davidsha, ok, let's keep tracking it | 14:43 |
| davidsha | ajo_: there is an old spec for neutron_classifier that we may refurbish for this. | 14:44 |
| ajo_ | :) | 14:44 |
| ajo_ | davidsha, about the L2 flow extensibility: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1563967 any thoughts which could be important? reviews on the spec are welcomed from anywone: | 14:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1563967 in neutron "[RFE] Extend l2-extensions-api for flow management " [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Miguel Angel Ajo (mangelajo) | 14:44 |
| davidsha | ajo_: I have the PoC done, I'll put it up now. | 14:45 |
| ajo_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320439/ | 14:45 |
| ajo_ | but I know it's a heavy duty topic too | 14:45 |
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| ajo_ | davidsha++ | 14:45 |
| ajo_ | I think our highest priority things now shall be the extended validation and this, | 14:45 |
| ajo_ | first is a blocker for other rfes to merge | 14:46 |
| ajo_ | and this one, not 100% a blocker, but it will be important for QoS to interoperate with other extensions | 14:46 |
| ajo_ | gracefully | 14:46 |
| ajo_ | probably we should move to bugs | 14:47 |
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| davidsha | kk, there aren't any tests worth mentioning yet, but I've set up dscp to use it and make sure it can work | 14:47 |
| ajo_ | niiice | 14:47 |
| ajo_ | looking forward to see it | 14:47 |
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| ajo_ | #topic bugs | 14:48 |
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| ajo_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status:list=NEW&field.status:list=OPINION&field.status:list=EXPIRED&field.status:list=CONFIRMED&field.status:list=TRIAGED&field.status:list=INPROGRESS&field.status:list=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&fie | 14:48 |
| ajo_ | ld.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=qos+-rfe&field.tags_combinator=ALL&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search | 14:48 |
| ajo_ | woops sorry | 14:48 |
| njohnston | Whoa | 14:48 |
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| ajo_ | #link http://bit.ly/1WhXlzm | 14:48 |
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| ajo_ | thank god njohnston had a shorter version of it :) | 14:48 |
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| ajo_ | I'm working on : https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-ovn/+bug/1584204 | 14:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1584204 in neutron "VersionsCallbackNotFound exception when using QoS" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to John Kasperski (jckasper) | 14:48 |
| ajo_ | it shall be almost there | 14:49 |
| ajo_ | njohnston, how's it going with: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1486607 | 14:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1486607 in neutron "tenants seem like they were able to detach admin enforced QoS policies from ports or networks" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Nate Johnston (nate-johnston) | 14:49 |
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| ajo_ | probably you're waiting for review.... :'( | 14:49 |
| njohnston | I think it just needs +2s | 14:49 |
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| ajo_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217092/ | 14:50 |
| ajo_ | the patch, | 14:50 |
| ajo_ | yes I remember the complications because of the no exchangeability of policy.json to check it | 14:50 |
| ajo_ | I will prioritize that again, sorry for the delay | 14:50 |
| njohnston | Thanks! | 14:50 |
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| ajo_ | thank you! :D | 14:51 |
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| ajo_ | the pecan bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1568400 could be fixed by: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314886/ | 14:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1568400 in neutron "Pecan does not route to QoS extension" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Brandon Logan (brandon-logan) | 14:52 |
| ajo_ | we probably need to check | 14:52 |
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| ajo_ | the patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1515564 needs to be rebuilt on top of the great refactor by mfranc213 :D | 14:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1515564 in neutron "Internal server error when running qos-bandwidth-limit-rule-update as a tenant" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Liyingjun (liyingjun) | 14:53 |
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| ajo_ | mfranc213, did a good job with the qos_plugin.py refactor | 14:54 |
| ajo_ | ahh | 14:54 |
| ajo_ | there's a new version | 14:54 |
| ajo_ | in fact it seems like it's already been rebased | 14:54 |
| ajo_ | so, adding to my queue too | 14:55 |
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| hichihara | ajo_: Before end meeting, can I ask you about Strict minimum bandwidth? | 14:56 |
| ajo_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-qos/+bug/1585373 | 14:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1585373 in networking-qos "qos-policy update without specify --shared causing it change to default False" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to ugvddm (271025598-9) | 14:56 |
| ajo_ | this was on the wrong project ^fixing | 14:56 |
| ajo_ | hichihara, ah, that one depends on the generic resource pool implementation at the nova side | 14:57 |
| ajo_ | I suspect we could implement it on next cycle | 14:57 |
| hichihara | However, Do we keep to pray these good progress only? | 14:57 |
| ajo_ | based on the mailing list discussions (linked form the RFE) | 14:57 |
| hichihara | Don't we need to propose nova spec about new resource(NIC_BW?) for generic resource pool like SRIOV? | 14:57 |
| ajo_ | hichihara, not sure if those will need to be declared in code, or via API, hichihara do you have time to check that with Jaypipes ? | 14:58 |
| ajo_ | it's good to keep an eye on that, | 14:58 |
| hichihara | ajo_: OK. | 14:58 |
| ajo_ | also, about non-strict, we may need to look at SR-IOV | 14:58 |
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| ajo_ | I think it's rather easy to do, but we may need to ask the intel or melanox guys about the link settings for min bw, etc | 14:59 |
| ajo_ | ralonsoh, ^ | 14:59 |
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| hichihara | ajo_: I will consider what we need. | 14:59 |
| ajo_ | and may be loop somebody else to help with that | 14:59 |
| ralonsoh | I know | 14:59 |
| ajo_ | thanks :) | 14:59 |
| ajo_ | I suspect we should endmeeting | 14:59 |
| ralonsoh | bye! | 14:59 |
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| ajo_ | so, again thanks a lot everybody | 14:59 |
| davidsha | Thanks! | 14:59 |
| hichihara | bye! | 14:59 |
| ajo_ | o/ :) | 14:59 |
| ajo_ | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 14:59:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-06-01-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-06-01-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| davidsha | flow manager is up btw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323963 | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-06-01-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 15:00:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:01 |
| hosanai | o/ | 15:01 |
| flinthpe | o/ | 15:01 |
| iurygregory | o/ | 15:01 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:01 |
| koji | o/ | 15:01 |
| arturbasiak | o/ | 15:01 |
| witek | hi | 15:01 |
| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 15:01 |
| tsv_ | <tsv> 0/ | 15:01 |
| ericksonsantos_ | Hi o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1.Horizon pagination style https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/horizon-pagination-style (shinya) | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 2.Log-API | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 3.Deterministic alarms | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 4.Storm upgrade status ? | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 5.Reviews | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321864/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 2.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286281/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 3.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319887/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 4.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323277/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 5.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322750/ | 15:01 |
| tomasztrebski | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | Looks like a reasonable amount of stuff to get through | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Horizon pagination style | 15:02 |
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| shinya_kwbt | Hi. | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | hi | 15:02 |
| shinya_kwbt | Can you guys understand my proposal? | 15:03 |
| shinya_kwbt | This is my first blue print :-) | 15:03 |
| claudiub | o/ | 15:03 |
| shinya_kwbt | So it may be not good document. | 15:03 |
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| tomasztrebski | I think I do understand :) | 15:03 |
| shinya_kwbt | Thanks I'm relieved. | 15:03 |
| fabiog | o/ | 15:04 |
| shinya_kwbt | Nova and Glance and may be other API has marker option. | 15:04 |
| shinya_kwbt | This is similar offset. | 15:04 |
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| shinya_kwbt | I think marker option is almost same as offset. | 15:05 |
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| shinya_kwbt | But there is a difference between marker and offset. | 15:05 |
| shinya_kwbt | On Nova, if sort_dir=desc and marker are given. | 15:05 |
| shinya_kwbt | API will return elements decsending from marker. | 15:05 |
| shinya_kwbt | On Monasca, if "sort_by=id desc" and offset are given. | 15:06 |
| shinya_kwbt | API will return elements descending from end to offset. | 15:06 |
| shinya_kwbt | Horizon pagination style expects elements decending from marker(offset). | 15:06 |
| shinya_kwbt | When prev page button pressed. | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | i think i understand | 15:07 |
| shinya_kwbt | So we need to change sort spec or add marker option to apply Horizon style. | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | so, in your example, the offset is 11 | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | i would expect 10..1 being returned in descending order | 15:07 |
| shinya_kwbt | Yes, when id desc and offset are given. | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | the offset should be the starting location - 1 in the sorted (whether ascending or descending) | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | in the sorted lest | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | if 20..12 is being returned and the offset is 11, then that seems incorrect | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth | the offset should apply to the sorted list | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | does that make sense | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | i'm working off of your example | 15:10 |
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| rhochmuth | so, given list [1, …, 20] | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | if query with sort descending and offset 11, i would expect [10, …, 1] as the result set | 15:11 |
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| shinya_kwbt | When ascending, api returns 12..20 right? | 15:12 |
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| rhochmuth | correct | 15:12 |
| shinya_kwbt | Yes > if query with sort descending and offset 11, i would expect [10, ???, 1] as the result set | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | to me this seems like a bug. | 15:13 |
| shinya_kwbt | I see. | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | did se actually specify something in the spec that works the other way | 15:13 |
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| rhochmuth | i don't think the spec went to this level of detail if i recall | 15:13 |
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| rhochmuth | but the behaviour that you specify seems to be the correct way, and what is being returned is not as expected | 15:14 |
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| shinya_kwbt | OK so I don't add new marker option. I will fix sort spec. | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | isn't there a bug that needs to be fixed | 15:15 |
| shinya_kwbt | I think this is all. | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | hmmm, maybe i was confused | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | in your example, you have offset 11 | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | sort by descending | 15:17 |
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| rhochmuth | i would expect [10..1] being returned | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | but you are saying 20..12 is returned | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | so, i consider that a bug, not a spec change | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | an horizon expect 10..1 to be returned | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | so, don't we need to change the code | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | and possibly update the API spec | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | and update the blueprint | 15:18 |
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| shinya_kwbt | Yes this is a bug, not spec change. So I will fix a bug. | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | thanks | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | ok, so let's move on | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Log-API | 15:20 |
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| witek | I have sent a comment to the blueprint TSV published last week | 15:21 |
| witek | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/096245.html | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | thanks witek | 15:21 |
| tsv_ | witek, thanks. i replied to your mail | 15:21 |
| tsv_ | just now | 15:21 |
| tsv_ | i am ok with your proposal, if others don't have any issues | 15:22 |
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| rhochmuth | not sure about using the kafka_topic_name in the POST | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | that seems to expose internals | 15:23 |
| witek | it does not have to be kafka topic | 15:23 |
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| tsv_ | that's what i understood it as too, topic could be a generic name, no Roland ? | 15:23 |
| witek | just some name which can be identified by API and redirected to the given topic | 15:23 |
| tomasztrebski | I think the main question here do we want API to be fully flexible or force clients to organize payloads per target topic [routing] | 15:25 |
| tomasztrebski | with request or attributes specified globally client sending logs would have to ensure that entire bulk goes into single topic | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | i was thinking general | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | attributes could be provided | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | and then it is up to internals of the service to route accordingly | 15:26 |
| witek | agree | 15:26 |
| tomasztrebski | by attributes you mean that it can either specified globally and locally (per entry in bulk, same as it was for dimensions) or just globally or just locally ? | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | correct | 15:27 |
| tomasztrebski | but which one :D | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | i think same levles as dimensions | 15:28 |
| tomasztrebski | ah, ok, so we have the same thing in mind | 15:28 |
| tsv_ | +1 | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | if you have "attributes" that have all the same levels as "dimensions" then i think you can do everything required | 15:29 |
| tomasztrebski | another question from me at least, because I did not fully understand how that might work, is "what is TTL of attributes", do they cease to exist at log-api level ? or do they follow log inside envelope or even log itself ? | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | but, i don't think the POST /v3.0/logs/topics/{kafka_topic_name} | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | is required | 15:29 |
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| rhochmuth | i haven't thought that far into implementation | 15:30 |
| witek | if we want to implement it with attributes we have to reserve some name to identify it as routing target | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | tsv just wanted to use attributes to route to a specific topoic | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | in that case, they aren't required after they are published to a topic | 15:31 |
| tomasztrebski | for me that is sufficient | 15:31 |
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| witek | but in general you may want to send some additional info with logs which could even be stored in elastic | 15:31 |
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| rhochmuth | i think that is good for now too, as that is all that tsv was attempting to address | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | but i agree with you witek too | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | but, we don't have a need for that at the moment | 15:32 |
| tsv_ | rhochmuth: i see value in the API name change. With the topic name in the API endpoint, it may be easy to enforce RBAC using a policy file later - if we want to restrict access to specify topics. But i agree, not an immediate requirement | 15:32 |
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| rhochmuth | so, can we close for now on adding "attributues" and just use them to route to a configurable topic | 15:34 |
| tomasztrebski | TSV: yet another question from me here, please keep in mind the problem I've been working on recently - limits that are put on topics in kafka regarding maximum size of the message that can be received ? I highly value the idea of ensuring that logs are not lost because envelope exceeded that maximum size, but right now we have only single topic and log-api can be configured to know that limit, but what about multi | 15:34 |
| tomasztrebski | ups...ok...that's just a thing to think about, let's not dwell on this right now | 15:34 |
| witek | yes, we can close the topic I think | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | thanks witek | 15:36 |
| tsv_ | tomasz, good point, will think through. thanks | 15:36 |
| tsv_ | thanks witek | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Deterministic alarms | 15:36 |
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| rhochmuth | tomasztrebski: i guess that is u | 15:37 |
| tomasztrebski | so...that's me...again...and I simply lost faith here. Thing that bothers me is that I managed to create those alarm definitions and they were set to OK right away for deterministic case | 15:37 |
| tomasztrebski | old behaviour worked for non-deterministic | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | that is what i expected based on the code reviews | 15:37 |
| tomasztrebski | but 3 people told me it does not work for them | 15:37 |
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| rhochmuth | is there anything we are missing in your environment | 15:38 |
| tomasztrebski | that's what I expect, imagine my surprise :( | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | i altered the mysql table to add the required column | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | by hand after install | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | it is jsut monasca-common, monasca-thresh and monasca-api | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | and i used POSTman to simulate requests | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | i haven't tried debugging yet | 15:39 |
| tomasztrebski | well I've posted some questions to thresh change, the most relevant thing is if ORM was used or not, because by default I have it enabled for thresh and api [java] | 15:39 |
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| tomasztrebski | and I thought about it quite recently | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | ryban and i are using mysql | 15:40 |
| tomasztrebski | however python api was used without ORM, just copied devstack configuration and adjusted IP addresses + keystone roles | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | i didn't use python, just java | 15:40 |
| tomasztrebski | ok, I will try tomorrow without ORM | 15:40 |
| tomasztrebski | same steps as in gist I posted | 15:40 |
| witek | I tested java + mysql - orm | 15:40 |
| tomasztrebski | so that might be a place to look for a bug | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | so to wrap up, tomasztrebski will test with mysql and try and replicate our problem | 15:42 |
| tomasztrebski | ok, I think that's all from my side, I know the difference I was looking for | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | and the rest of us will be in stand-by | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | sound good | 15:42 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic Storm upgrade status ? | 15:43 |
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| rhochmuth | this is still in progress, but not sure of the exact state right now | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | there are several reviews in flight | 15:44 |
| tomasztrebski | Are there any news regarding that ? I am partially interested in that because changes I've made there and if that's one is merged that will add some effort | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | i think we will wait for your review to merge first | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | we wanted to get that one in | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | too | 15:45 |
| tomasztrebski | that's very nice :), I will do my best to get this into shape | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | assuming it won't take too much longer to get deterministic alarms in | 15:45 |
| tomasztrebski | kk | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | and you have just a minor issue | 15:45 |
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| tomasztrebski | well I am loosing 3:1, that's not very good :) | 15:46 |
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| rhochmuth | i'll mention to craig and ryan | 15:46 |
| tomasztrebski | thx | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | :-) | 15:46 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic reviews | 15:46 |
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| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321864/ | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | looks like that one is ready, i'll merge it, both ryan and hoppal reviewed | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286281/ | 15:48 |
| rbak | This is the kv hint. I just wanted to bring it up again since Brad isn't around this week. | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | sorry, i didn't get to that one last week | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | i wanted to review again, but assuming everything is addressed, i dont see a problem merging | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | will try and get to it today | 15:49 |
| rbak | sounds good. that's all I had on that. | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319887/ | 15:49 |
| tomasztrebski | sorry to interrupt but since mysql change in agent was brought in - I think this change here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322764/ is also worth merging | 15:49 |
| tomasztrebski | I forgot to add this to agenda I guess | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | tomasztrebskiL i just merged that one too | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | for the next two minutes i'll merge anythign | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319887/ | 15:51 |
| tomasztrebski | yes, truncation I mentioned to TSV, Artur was kind to test this for me | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | i haven't looked at the change | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | if you truncate the client won't know there is lost data | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | right? | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | maybe i shoudl look at the code | 15:52 |
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| tomasztrebski | if I won't truncate I will loose entire batch of logs :(...anyway we find it better right now to truncate log message instead of loosing it | 15:53 |
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| tomasztrebski | and the problem of safe bulk processing is another topic, but I don't want to discuss it now | 15:53 |
| witek | the field 'truncated'=true is added, right? | 15:53 |
| tomasztrebski | only for logs that were actually truncated | 15:53 |
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| rhochmuth | i'll review | 15:54 |
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| tomasztrebski | thx | 15:54 |
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| rhochmuth | looks like that one should be merged | 15:55 |
| witek | you didn't make it in 2 minutes, Tomasz :) | 15:55 |
| tomasztrebski | I did...didn't want to enforce anything :D | 15:55 |
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| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323277/ | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | looks like shoudl be merged too | 15:56 |
| tomasztrebski | thx | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322750/ | 15:57 |
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| rhochmuth | looks ready to me | 15:57 |
| tomasztrebski | I feel like I won teddy bear today | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | lol | 15:58 |
| tomasztrebski | ;-) | 15:58 |
| witek | international children day | 15:58 |
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| rhochmuth | so, i think that is a wrap for today | 15:59 |
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| tomasztrebski | Roland is wonderful father for monasca project | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | oh gosh | 15:59 |
| tomasztrebski | and we've managed to end before time up :D | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | we need to still decide mid-cycle week, but we'll being doign remotely | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | but, we've run out of time again | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | so, first item up next week is week for mid-cycle | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | and how to do remote | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | have to shut it down | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| tomasztrebski | cheers and see you next time | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 16:00:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-06-01-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-06-01-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-06-01-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| markvoelker | #startmeeting defcore | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 16:00:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markvoelker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | #chair hogepodge | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hogepodge markvoelker | 16:01 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 16:01 |
| shamail | Hi everyone | 16:01 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 16:01 |
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| catherineD | o/ | 16:01 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreLunar.5 Today's agenda | 16:01 |
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| markvoelker | Please jot any late-breaking additions to the agenda down on the etherpad | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | With that, let's jump right in... | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | #topic Test Spec Proposal (gema) | 16:02 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317531/ Test spec proposal | 16:02 |
| hogepodge | I think gema is on holiday | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: yep, I think you're right. | 16:03 |
| Rockyg | Yup. Gives me another week to review;) | 16:03 |
| hogepodge | (just remembered that) | 16:03 |
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| markvoelker | Some good discussion in the past couple of weeks, but this one could use some attention | 16:03 |
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| * markvoelker wags finger at self | 16:04 | |
| markvoelker | Anything folks want to bring up for discussion on this one today? | 16:04 |
| shamail | Same as Rockyg, another week would be great | 16:04 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, let's move on for now then. | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | #topic TC DefCore Resolutions (passed May 31, 2016) | 16:05 |
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| markvoelker | #info The TC passed both DefCore-related resolutions before it this week | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/resolutions/20160504-defcore-proxy-tests.rst Resolution on proxy tests | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/resolutions/20160504-defcore-test-location.rst Resolution on test locations | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | FYI, hogepodge already put up a patch in response to the proxy one | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323625/ Patch to remove proxy-related tests | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | The proxy one is relatively straightforward I think. For the other one, we should probably make sure projects that are impacted know about the change | 16:07 |
| hogepodge | compute-images-create is an interesting one, because it's doing an image snapshot and leans upon glance for storage | 16:07 |
| Rockyg | thanks, hogepodge | 16:07 |
| hogepodge | this is why nova-glance v2 integration is still important to land upstream, so the mechanism isn't implicitly pulling in a deprecated api | 16:08 |
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| markvoelker | I don't think we actually currently have any tests in next.json that would fall afoul of the resolution saying that DefCore tests should live in Tempest, but I know the Heat and Swift folks had been planning to use in-tree tests. | 16:10 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: For t he test location one, I wonder whether we should inform the Heat team about this. Since we were advocate for them to implement the Tempest interface targeted for being inclusive for DefCore tests | 16:10 |
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| hogepodge | catherineD: Yes, they should be made aware of the resolution. As a working group, we still have the freedom to not recognize it, fwiw, if we really want tests outside of tempest for some reason | 16:11 |
| Rockyg | The tc discussion also said they expected this might create duplicate (or close to dupe) tests in two places. | 16:11 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: yeah, I was actually just looking over the review to see if anyone from heat-core commented. I would hope the TC would make PTL's aware of decisions like this, but we can certainly inform them too | 16:12 |
| shamail | We should add Cross Project Spec Liaisons to reviews that impact projects as a best practice | 16:13 |
| catherineD | We were the one leading them to the Tempest plugin path for DefCore purpose at the time | 16:13 |
| hogepodge | (as a side note to this meeting, VanL_ is either preparing to or currently delivering a pycon keynote, so I don't expect him to be here to comment directly on these agenda items) | 16:13 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, so how about I take an AI to send a note to openstack-dev with [heat] and [swift] in the headers about this? | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | (if someone from the TC doesn't beat me to it =p) | 16:14 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: that would be great. Thanks! | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | #action markvoelker Send email alerting devs to DefCore-related TC resolutions | 16:14 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, anything further on this? | 16:15 |
| Rockyg | Cool. Thanks | 16:15 |
| Rockyg | This also broadcasts to dev that these projects are under consideration for inclusions | 16:15 |
| shamail | Rockyg: +1 | 16:16 |
| Rockyg | although swift is already included... | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | Ok, moving on... | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | #topic Schema 1.5 for Gating | 16:16 |
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| catherineD | Heat is the target to score for inclusions but there are no meaningful tests (according to the heat team) in Tempest at the moment | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311265/ Added formal 1.5 json schema for gating against | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317800/ Add DefCore guideline gate checks for json lint and schema | 16:17 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: one thing that we lose in that schema are the definitions you linked to earlier on things like "required", "deprecated", etc | 16:17 |
| Rockyg | From the app dev side, some are saying heat is the important "lowest level" for app devs to need to know. | 16:17 |
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| catherineD | RefStack site has been updated to handle 1.5 ... | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: Yeah, I was actually just thinking about that before the meeting started today. Feels like definitions that are unlikely to change should probably live in the lexicon | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | What do you think? | 16:19 |
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| hogepodge | markvoelker: I think so too. I also strongly disagree with our definition of deprecated (it has meaning that is supposed to protect users), but that horse may be out of the barn | 16:19 |
| Rockyg | Sounds good. Don't want to lose the defs | 16:20 |
| Rockyg | hogepodge, we can revisit any def with a patch and discussion.... | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | I think changing the definition is a conversation we can certainly have...there are pros and cons either way. | 16:21 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: +1 | 16:21 |
| hogepodge | Rockyg: +1 | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | Perhaps the best way to do this is to do two patches: one moving the definitions to the lexicon (which should be relatively uncontroversial), then you can propose a second with your rationale for changing the deprecated definition? | 16:22 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 16:22 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: + | 16:22 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: sounds good. the first patch separate from the 1.5 schema addition? | 16:22 |
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| hogepodge | #action hogepodge to add definitions to lexicon | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: either way really....that 1.5 patch seems like it's about ripe to land, so maybe we do the lexicon change as a separate patch just to let the 1.5 patch land sooner | 16:23 |
| catherineD | refstack update the site with the 1.5 version as it is in the patch ... any futher change we need to revisit and may need to update the site again | 16:23 |
| hogepodge | does the schema itself look good to merge? has anyone tested it locally? | 16:23 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: I did (last week, and promptly signed off for the night without clicking submit on my gerrit review...) | 16:24 |
| catherineD | I prefer to keep the 1.5 patch as it is and add additional patches for other purposes | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | Ok, anything else on 1.5? | 16:25 |
| Rockyg | ++ let's not clutter | 16:25 |
| catherineD | let's merge the 1.5 patch | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | #topic Admin Capabilities | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Admin Capabilities (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:26 | |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299491/ Remove capabilities due to tests required admin credential | 16:26 |
| catherineD | I will update the patches to flag the tests (instead of removing them) | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: were you able to get a start on refactoring some of those tests? Need help? | 16:27 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: on neutron tests, no | 16:28 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: since I'm leaving the country for a week on Friday, probably :-) | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: =) | 16:28 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: hogepodge: Still my question is do we allow capabilities with all tests flagged? | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | Any takers? I can probably start picking at a couple of them on Friday. | 16:28 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: I'd say yes | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: Well, keep in mind those tests are not yet required | 16:29 |
| catherineD | ok | 16:29 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: I want to start on some tomorrow and tonight too, but my eyes may be bigger than what my fingers can type in that time | 16:29 |
| Rockyg | Well, if we think there will be tests before the guideline is approved, yeah. | 16:29 |
| catherineD | These are tests in the advisory section of approved guideline (2016.01) | 16:30 |
| Rockyg | Ah. | 16:30 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: I know that feeling well. =) I already took a poke at the test_create_show_list_update_delete_router test in one of my comments, so I'll probably start with that set. | 16:30 |
| Rockyg | Still, since advisory, and they are gonna get fixed in .next, this is still broadcating intentions | 16:30 |
| hogepodge | based on the conversations with armax, there are definitely capability tests we can have fixed in time for the guideline approval | 16:30 |
| catherineD | We should flag them mean while (so users do not spend time debug) while waiting for refactoring | 16:30 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: I think it's fine to flag them just to convey info | 16:31 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: yup that is goal | 16:31 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: in next? as long as we're ok with removing flags in next (since it's advisory and not approved) | 16:31 |
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| catherineD | alright I will update the patches after this meeting | 16:31 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: thanks | 16:32 |
| Rockyg | thanks, catherineD | 16:32 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: well, that patchset was against 2016.01 | 16:32 |
| hogepodge | I guess it doesn't matter since it's advisory | 16:32 |
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| hogepodge | (the capabilities) | 16:33 |
| hogepodge | the flags will have to stick, but they'll be resolved in next | 16:33 |
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| catherineD | markvoelker: yup I did not want to mix the approved and pending guidelines in these patches expecting a lot of discussion on the topic | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: ++ | 16:33 |
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| markvoelker | #action catherineD update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299491/ to use flags | 16:34 |
| markvoelker | #action markvoelker to start work on neutron test refactor | 16:35 |
| markvoelker | #action hogepodge to enjoy his trip | 16:35 |
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| catherineD | noted that if we allow all tests flagged in a capability, we violate item #1 in the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317531/2/working_materials/DefCoreSpec.rst | 16:35 |
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| markvoelker | cathrineD: I'm not so sure...a test might be flagged for any number of reasons (including a bug). I wouldn't expect us to drop a capability and have to go through another advisory cycle to restore it just because of that | 16:36 |
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| markvoelker | but we can discuss that in the spec review I think. | 16:37 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 16:37 |
| * markvoelker glances at clock and suggests we move on to the other admin-related stuff on the docket today | 16:37 | |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322250/ Remove volume2-v2-qos capability | 16:37 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: so should we update the test spec to include language to take care of the case of flagging | 16:37 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: possibly so...a good thing to bring up in the discussion of the spec | 16:38 |
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| catherineD | alright | 16:38 |
| markvoelker | This one looks pretty straightforward I think | 16:38 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: here again I wonder if it's worth leaving a note in the working materials just for future reference so the next person evaluating cinder stuff doesn't fall into the same trap? | 16:39 |
| hogepodge | Sure, I can do that | 16:40 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: cool, thanks. I'll re-plus2 it when I see the new patchset. | 16:40 |
| catherineD | maybe include a note to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299491/ which has a lot of conversation about the subject | 16:40 |
| hogepodge | +1 | 16:40 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322253/ Remove volumes-v2-transfer capability (requires multi-tenant) | 16:41 |
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| markvoelker | here again, looks pretty straightforward...anything we need to discuss on this one? | 16:41 |
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| markvoelker | On a related note, in spite of the fact that we won't be requiring this capability, thanks to hogepodge for improving the tests anyway so they don't needlessly require admin. =) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321901/ | 16:42 |
| hogepodge | Is there a case where transfer between users in a project has meaning? | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: hmmm... | 16:43 |
| hogepodge | I don't think so, but I could be wrong. | 16:43 |
| markvoelker | I guess I can't personally think of a situation when I've really seen that done. Happy to let it sit for a bit longer and noodle on it though. | 16:44 |
| * markvoelker makes note to do some research | 16:45 | |
| markvoelker | Any other discussion on this? | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | #topic Rename Working Group (from board meeting guidance) | 16:46 |
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| markvoelker | So last time we discussed this, "Interop Working Group" or "Interoperability Working Group" seemed to be by far the most popular choice for renaming, but I want to be careful to note that was just a straw poll... | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | I think perhaps the best way to proceed is for me to compile a patch making appropirate changes to our docs and push it up to gerrit | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | When it gets to a point where it's ready to land and we've agreed a new name, we can also update wiki's, broadcast the change to the relevant aliases, etc before we land it | 16:47 |
| hogepodge | It's clear and basic. Task force sounds cool though ;-) | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | (this would probably want Board approval, obviously, so there's not a huge rush) | 16:48 |
| markvoelker | Any objections to that course of action? | 16:49 |
| hogepodge | +1 on that action | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | alrighty then, hearing none.... | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | #action markvoelker begin working on doc update patch for DefCore Committee renaming | 16:50 |
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| markvoelker | #topic Open Reviews | 16:51 |
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| markvoelker | We have about nine minutes left, so rather than picking through these one-by-one: are there any that folks particularly want to discuss today in the meeting? | 16:51 |
| hogepodge | Compute image flags | 16:53 |
| * markvoelker yields the floor to hogepodge | 16:53 | |
| shamail | Based on the new UC charter, we would want to ensure that we are classified as a working group | 16:53 |
| hogepodge | Is there any reason to hold that one back? | 16:53 |
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| hogepodge | Also schema 2, if anyone has thoughts on that. Procedurally it still needs work, but if we're doing a major version update we should use it as an opportunity to possibly fix or add other things | 16:54 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: I'm fine with the tests being flagged. I'm not sure the Nova-uses-v1 issue is terribly relevant as a rationale (we're more interested in what's exposed to ends users than to nova), but that's probably picking nits. | 16:55 |
| hogepodge | I can change it to something else. I'm mainly just trying to reconcile with 01 | 16:55 |
| hogepodge | shamail ack | 16:56 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: I think our understanding of the image world has evolved a bit so it feels like a good opportunity to express that. But, like I said, it's probably anit. | 16:57 |
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| shamail | hi | 16:57 |
| markvoelker | shamail: hi | 16:57 |
| shamail | nm, I thought hogepodge was asking about something. :) | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | =) | 16:58 |
| hogepodge | shamail is there a process for officially being a WG? | 16:58 |
| shamail | Yes, there is (very lightweight) | 16:58 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: ++ on putting major updates to schema 2 | 16:58 |
| shamail | FYI, here is the draft UC charter: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QmLOeseAkjBWM_TXsUeKBErNaSHnuZp81II0T71ARfo/edit?usp=sharing | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | shamail: thanks | 16:59 |
| shamail | To become a WG, you would want to add info on UC wikihttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 16:59 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QmLOeseAkjBWM_TXsUeKBErNaSHnuZp81II0T71ARfo/edit?usp=sharing UC charter draft | 16:59 |
| shamail | and just email Edgar, Jon, and/or Shilla | 16:59 |
| hogepodge | As a board WG are we covered under it? | 16:59 |
| shamail | Other requirements are still being refined, but adding to wiki and notifying user committee (probably by emailing user-committee ML) should be sufficient | 17:00 |
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| shamail | Yes, but it would still be good to add info. | 17:00 |
| catherineD | our time is up .. | 17:00 |
| shamail | I guess one item that is open is whether defcore consders itself under TC or UC governance | 17:00 |
| markvoelker | Indeed. Over to #openstack-defcore. Thanks folks | 17:00 |
| shamail | (there is no board governance option) | 17:00 |
| markvoelker | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 17:00:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-06-01-16.00.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-06-01-16.00.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-06-01-16.00.log.html | 17:01 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizondrivers | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 20:00:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 20:00 |
| tyr__ | o/ | 20:00 |
| robcresswell | Ha, quiet room :p | 20:01 |
| tyr__ | didn't this happen last week? :) | 20:01 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:01 |
| lcastell | o/ | 20:01 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 20:01 |
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| bpokorny | o/ | 20:01 |
| ediardo | o/ | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, meetings seem a little quieter these days | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | We're pretty light on agenda today, so will just give a couple notices then we can have an open discussion | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | The first milestone for Newton will occur today/tomorrow | 20:02 |
| * robcresswell finds link | 20:03 | |
| robcresswell | https://launchpad.net/horizon/+milestone/newton-1 | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | I'll bump the remaining items to N-2 and we'll progress from there. Blueprints are a little behind where we'd like, but most are either in flight or have had several patch sets now | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | Huge number of bugfixes though, so thats great :) | 20:04 |
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| robcresswell | The stable maint release for mitaka will also go out soon, waiting on a couple of merges. Good number of backports. Remember to tag anything you'd like backported with 'mitaka-backport-potential' or ping me about it. | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | Finally, a big thankyou to tsufiev for working on the gate issues | 20:05 |
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| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 20:05 |
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| * tsufiev hopes it won't happen again | 20:06 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | I think we all hope that, but we all know the gate too well :/ | 20:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | we still don't have upper-constraint limiting in | 20:06 |
| tsufiev | the hero of this week is npm-run-test :) | 20:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah | 20:06 |
| tyr__ | brief plug for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/angular-template-overrides and the associated patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323534/. I'm looking at pre-loading the Angular template cache which also allows the theme to override templates if needed. | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | tyr__: Woah; does this solve the template overrides too? | 20:07 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | upper constraints patch reminder https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290203/ | 20:08 |
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| tyr__ | hurgleburgler convinced us that without Angular template overrides, people would feel like client-side views weren't as extensible as Django ones. | 20:08 |
| r1chardj0n3s | seems reasonable | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | I would agree with that. That looks like a really concide solution! 90 lines. | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | concise* | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | Thanks for working on that tyr__ | 20:09 |
| tyr__ | working on cleaning it up a bit, but the basic idea appears to work. If you have opinions, I'd love to see any comments on the patch. | 20:09 |
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| robcresswell | Starred both of those. Bit under the weather atm but will get to it tomorrow | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | question re: upper-constraints | 20:09 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: yup? | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | I am still having problems with the tempest plugin. Now I think it's not even part of the build image | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | It will work soonish, but do we want to pull the integrated tempest tests now? or still wait for the plugin to work? | 20:11 |
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| david-lyle | this will unblock the xstatic packages | 20:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | we don't *need* the tempest change for us to use upper-constraints, but it will prevent us from breaking tempest if we ever release an xstatic ;-) | 20:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but yeah, just pulling the tempest test would also work | 20:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | since it's only one test | 20:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but it would be good to get all the other xstatic publication stuff moving again | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | I don't think there is a big risk | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | I have the tempest patch up, I just need to de -1 the workflow | 20:12 |
| tsufiev | do we have these tempest tests documented somewhere - the scope and purpose etc? | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Are we still waiting ona spec?I thought I recalled seeing one floating around in infra | 20:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: spec for the tempest change? | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: it's one test, that verifies we can log in | 20:13 |
| * tsufiev is having problems catching up all the new stuff in horizon | 20:13 | |
| david-lyle | there, documented | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: xstatic changes | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | :P | 20:13 |
| tsufiev | ah, okay | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | releasing etc. | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | the test moved to https://gitub.com/openstack/tempest-horizon | 20:13 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: hurm, there's a bit of docco around, I'll have to find it all again ;-) | 20:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | some specs were written, but they were outdated by the tempest change | 20:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | because everything got so much easier | 20:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | once we didn't have to worry about breaking that | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | I'm going to reset the workflow on the tempest patch, and then work to get tempest-horizon into the devstack disk image | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | unless someone protests | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | we want xstatic updates as soon as possible | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Understood. I need to sit down and check through it all again | 20:15 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: I need to also :-) | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | Thanks david-lyle | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | I have a few more dependencies to release once the risk of breaking goes away | 20:16 |
| ediardo | guys: I noticed that "More complete server side filtering" is marked as a High Priority for newton, can you check a BP that tries to address that part? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/server-side-filtering | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | I'm reluctant to do anything that drives much content (like angular) until we are just breaking ourselves and not everyone | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | ediardo: Reading now :) | 20:17 |
| ediardo | there are ~28 tables using some sort of filtering, only 3 are using server-side | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | Thats a very big blueprint scope | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: would you prefer per table or service? | 20:18 |
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| robcresswell | I'm curious, how are you planning to unify the experience? | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | unify? | 20:19 |
| tsufiev | by establishing a new cross-project API group :)? | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | It makes sense to contain it in one bp if the goal is consistency, but im curious how you intend to make it consistent | 20:19 |
| ediardo | oh yeah, | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | unify, as in, make it consistent across panels | 20:19 |
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| ediardo | http://pasteboard.co/1lqX4Ogp.png | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | The issue being that every panel supports different options and even handling, like fuzzy string matching for example for names | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: offering the server side filtering facets where available | 20:20 |
| ediardo | from the UX perspective, use input-groups | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | taking the instance example forward | 20:20 |
| ediardo | same filtering by only 1 field | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | follow on would be trying to move to magic search | 20:20 |
| ediardo | I see that magic search does a good job filtering by several fields and I like how it works, but as fars as i know it does not do any api request... | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | but biting all that off at once is too much | 20:21 |
| tyr__ | searchlight! | 20:21 |
| * tyr__ ducks | 20:21 | |
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| ediardo | the easiest approach would be do something like the instances table | 20:22 |
| ediardo | provide a set of fields and go from there.. | 20:22 |
| robcresswell | Well, no complaints from me, but I'm very interested in the implementation | 20:22 |
| tyr__ | no, seriously though...if there is a need to have a consistent search/filtering experience, across APIs that provide different search/filtering capabilities, this could be a lot of very exciting code into Horizon. | 20:23 |
| * tsufiev cannot deny the merits of Horizon being self-sufficient, but if SearchLight solves it, why solve it the second time? | 20:23 | |
| tyr__ | I'm a big fan of the goal...just sharing robcresswell's concern about the implementation scope | 20:23 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: can't guarantee searchlight | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: it's going to be spectacular | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev: can't name one installation | 20:24 |
| robcresswell | Improving the filtering is good though. I'm all for it. | 20:24 |
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| david-lyle | so either you have to bind the two, or have the fallback of a native horizon solution | 20:24 |
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| david-lyle | tyr__: if openstack was actually an integrated product, so many things would be much much easier | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | but alas the technical direction has been to run in the opposite direction | 20:25 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, yep, I'm not implying "let's wait until SearchLight does that for us" | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | so we all have to have shaky dependencies | 20:25 |
| * david-lyle misses integrated product openstack | 20:26 | |
| tyr__ | david-lyle: like Horizon runs without nova...er...no wait... :) | 20:26 |
| tsufiev | personally, I would be glad if there was "SearchLight, but for quotas" :) | 20:26 |
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| robcresswell | tyr__: Well, thats a Horizon issue, not anything else. | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | tyr__: technically horizon should run without nova | 20:27 |
| tsufiev | ... and without Keystone | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | I think there is a silly legacy check remaining blocking that | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | identity is the only true requirement | 20:27 |
| * david-lyle adds silly check to todo list | 20:28 | |
| tyr__ | ediardo: my .02 is that consistent filtering capabilities is a great goal, but if it starts to get "too useful" it might be nice if it was separable from Horizon, rather than a core component | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | Anyway, the blueprint itself is fine. But keep in mind integration with other panels/ services etc. If there ends up being a sensible way to hit searchlight or the APIs (or at least, make the code modular enough that it can be extend in that manner) thats great. | 20:28 |
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| ediardo | sure, I'm getting my master's degree in apiclients | 20:29 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | heh | 20:29 |
| ediardo | I'll invite u all to the party | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | haha | 20:29 |
| tyr__ | sweet...I'll be asking you about how to invoke a Designate client shortly :) | 20:30 |
| robcresswell | Anything else to discuss? | 20:32 |
| robcresswell | Otherwise we can end early :) | 20:32 |
| robcresswell | Alright, thanks everyone! | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 20:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 20:33:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:33 |
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| lcastell | thanks! | 20:33 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 21:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 21:00 |
| alaski | anyone around today? | 21:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 21:00 |
| doffm | o/ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| alaski | great. I know everyone likes a long meeting but I'm going to try to keep this short today | 21:01 |
| alaski | #topic Testing | 21:01 |
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| alaski | auggy is working on getting a multinode grenade job setup for cells testing. right now she's working on getting a sample job up and running to learn the ropes | 21:02 |
| alaski | then she'll modify it for cells | 21:02 |
| alaski | but atm she's at pycon | 21:02 |
| alaski | #topic Open Reviews | 21:03 |
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| alaski | my favorite link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:03 |
| alaski | anyone have a particular one they'd like to discuss? | 21:03 |
| alaski | then we'll move on | 21:04 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 21:04 |
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| doffm | Quotas spec got an update due to issues pointed out by johnthetubaguy, I have updated so hopefully unblocked now. | 21:05 |
| alaski | great | 21:05 |
| doffm | Thats all I have today. :) | 21:05 |
| alaski | I'm working out upgrade details related to the race condition discussion from last week | 21:05 |
| alaski | doffm: cool :) | 21:05 |
| melwitt | are there any todos left that need doing other than reviews? | 21:06 |
| melwitt | alaski: nice | 21:06 |
| alaski | melwitt: there are probably some migrations to be done | 21:06 |
| alaski | and there's the work to get the mq and db connection switching actually used | 21:07 |
| doffm | Is someone at mirants working on that? (I saw a WIP somewhere) | 21:07 |
| alaski | Andrey Volkov picked up the mq portion https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322181/ | 21:07 |
| alaski | doffm: yep | 21:07 |
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| alaski | he's new to openstack so guidance on the reviews would be helpful | 21:08 |
| doffm | Ok. | 21:08 |
| alaski | and I'm not aware of any work on the db side | 21:08 |
| melwitt | okay, cool. I'll check with doffm what migrations may be left that I might be able to help with | 21:09 |
| melwitt | and/or I could look at the db switching | 21:09 |
| doffm | melwitt: Instance groups and Quota specs are still not approved. | 21:09 |
| doffm | Both need doing, I'm planning to pick up quotas. | 21:09 |
| doffm | (migrations) | 21:09 |
| alaski | melwitt: cool | 21:10 |
| alaski | oh, also I ran into an issue with instance tags that needs resolving | 21:10 |
| melwitt | okay. do we need more specs for migrations? sorry I lost track of that | 21:10 |
| doffm | I don't think so. Its easy to lose track so I should go back and make sure. | 21:10 |
| doffm | I think thats it from our summit discussions. | 21:10 |
| doffm | Sorry yes, we need to do all the resource provider stuff. | 21:11 |
| melwitt | ah, right | 21:11 |
| doffm | I don't know what the situation is there, I have lost track. | 21:11 |
| bauzas | what do you want to know ? | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | o/ | 21:12 |
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| bauzas | doffm: what do you mean by looking at the r-p ? | 21:12 |
| alaski | I think it's mostly settled now right, it's just about moving what's in place and putting new things in the api db | 21:12 |
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| doffm | Who is going to do the db migration? | 21:12 |
| bauzas | doffm: for aggregates N? | 21:13 |
| alaski | dansmith has been working on it I believe | 21:13 |
| bauzas | sorry, confused | 21:13 |
| doffm | I guess thats what I'm asking, I don't know if there is a spec for the RP tables to be moved, or if we need a spec for that. | 21:13 |
| bauzas | which db migration are you talking about ? inventories? | 21:13 |
| doffm | Yeah. | 21:13 |
| bauzas | oh, that's mostly *not* a DB migration | 21:13 |
| bauzas | rather a new creation | 21:14 |
| bauzas | and we merged a bit of that | 21:14 |
| mriedem | the RP table move is part of the generic-resource-pools blueprint | 21:14 |
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| alaski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315682/ | 21:14 |
| doffm | Ok, thanks. | 21:14 |
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| alaski | so for instance tags, I realized (or Tempest beat me up about it) that instance tags can be set at any point in an instance lifecycle | 21:15 |
| bauzas | (btw. saw the Aggregate series being a bit merged now) | 21:15 |
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| doffm | bauzas, everyone: thanks for reviews. | 21:16 |
| alaski | I'd like to change it so that instance tags can be sent at boot time(they can't now), and then can't be changed until the instance is active | 21:16 |
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| alaski | but I haven't been able to push on that yet | 21:17 |
| alaski | so that's also up for grabs melwitt | 21:17 |
| melwitt | hm, so API change? sounds kinda big | 21:17 |
| alaski | yeah | 21:17 |
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| melwitt | as in, a big deal changing the semantics | 21:17 |
| alaski | adding them at boot time should be fairly non controversial | 21:17 |
| bauzas | yup | 21:18 |
| alaski | restricting when they can change is a big one | 21:18 |
| doffm | Makes sense though. From a 'cloud applications, my instances is cattle not a pet' perspective. | 21:18 |
| melwitt | right, okay | 21:18 |
| alaski | but since they're intended to be used for scheduling being able to change them before scheduling is sort of odd | 21:19 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 21:19 |
| melwitt | alaski: is this captured anywhere on a review or ML that I missed? | 21:19 |
| melwitt | the problem you ran into I mean | 21:19 |
| mriedem | tags are used for scheduling? | 21:19 |
| alaski | mriedem: not yet, but they're part of jay's generic scheduler proposal | 21:19 |
| mriedem | to replace server groups | 21:19 |
| alaski | melwitt: just a test failure on one of my patches, let me dig that up | 21:19 |
| alaski | mriedem: yeah | 21:19 |
| melwitt | alaski: I can find it, just needed a hint in the direction | 21:20 |
| doffm | Server groups are getting replaced? | 21:20 |
| mriedem | is that going to make newton? | 21:20 |
| alaski | melwitt: I think it was https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263927/ | 21:20 |
| alaski | mriedem: no | 21:20 |
| alaski | doffm: that's the not explicitly stated goal | 21:20 |
| mriedem | ok, so let's ignore that for now :) | 21:20 |
| mriedem | but this is a thing that breaks for cells v2 it sounds like | 21:20 |
| melwitt | I guess this is news to me, the instance tags thing as part of the resource pools stuff. will go look back at that | 21:20 |
| mriedem | melwitt: i don't think it's part of that | 21:21 |
| mriedem | something else | 21:21 |
| mriedem | something much more sinister! | 21:21 |
| alaski | right, it's just affinity/anti-affinity I believe | 21:21 |
| bauzas | alaski: well, it's a bit early to discuss about jay's spec I think | 21:21 |
| melwitt | yeah, usually that's the server groups | 21:21 |
| mriedem | so how does this fail for cells v2? | 21:21 |
| bauzas | but I agree, server groups should die in fire | 21:22 |
| alaski | mriedem: yes, what breaks is that if you set a tag before there's an instance in a cell there's nowhere to store the tag | 21:22 |
| bauzas | like, try to boot an instance on another host but the host given by the affinity server group. good luck. | 21:22 |
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| alaski | every other resource like this I saw is gated behind a vm_state=ACTIVE check | 21:22 |
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| alaski | but instance tags are special | 21:22 |
| mriedem | it was probably just not thought of | 21:23 |
| melwitt | +1 | 21:23 |
| alaski | right | 21:23 |
| mriedem | so you can't provide tags on boot today? | 21:23 |
| alaski | correct | 21:23 |
| bauzas | nope | 21:23 |
| mriedem | but while scheduling you add the tag | 21:23 |
| mriedem | and then kablammo | 21:23 |
| alaski | which also seems like an oversight | 21:24 |
| melwitt | okay so maybe that's not as big of a deal then. microversion and explain in release note and doc | 21:24 |
| bauzas | not sure I see where tags are in use by the scheudler... | 21:24 |
| mriedem | they aren't | 21:24 |
| mriedem | it's before the instance is in a cell | 21:24 |
| mriedem | so boot, add tag, place in cell - boom | 21:24 |
| mriedem | hmm, i think that's maybe a bug fix? | 21:25 |
| alaski | the add tag goes boom | 21:25 |
| mriedem | not the boot thing, but restricting the add tag until it's active | 21:25 |
| bauzas | it goes boom because it's in the cell db N | 21:25 |
| bauzas | ? | 21:25 |
| mriedem | i think i'd be good with bug fixing that in | 21:25 |
| mriedem | providing tags on boot is an api change and spec | 21:25 |
| mriedem | and not required for cells v2 right now | 21:25 |
| alaski | mriedem: okay. we can propose it and see how it goes | 21:25 |
| bauzas | oh, nvm my question, I had the reason | 21:26 |
| melwitt | yeah, it'll depend on whether it's broken in its current form | 21:26 |
| alaski | mriedem: yeah, that part's not required. my breakage is fixed by not setting tags before picking a cell | 21:26 |
| mriedem | yeah let's just bug fix that | 21:27 |
| mriedem | easy peasy | 21:27 |
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| alaski | cool | 21:27 |
| alaski | melwitt: I think it's unintended in its current form | 21:28 |
| alaski | and we need a workaround or fix to move forward on cells | 21:28 |
| alaski | that's all I've got today | 21:29 |
| alaski | anyone else? | 21:29 |
| alaski | great | 21:29 |
| alaski | thanks all! | 21:30 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 21:30 |
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