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PaulMurray#startmeeting Nova Live Migration14:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May 31 14:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is PaulMurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration'14:00
PaulMurrayHi all14:00
diana_clarkeo/14:00
tdurakovo/14:00
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andrearosahi14:01
mdbootho/14:01
PaulMurrayagenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaLiveMigration14:01
PaulMurraySorry the agenda was updated so late, it has been a holiday here14:01
PaulMurray#topic Specs14:02
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andreas_shi14:02
PaulMurrayIts nearly non-prio spec freeze14:02
PaulMurraySo looking for any last minute things to sort out14:02
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PaulMurraythis is on the agenda14:02
PaulMurray#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320849/ : Use finite machine in migration process14:03
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tdurakovPaulMurray: commented this spec14:04
PaulMurrayI don't think tangchen is here14:04
woodster_o/14:04
PaulMurrayI saw your comment tdurakov14:04
johnthetubaguyis this the general direction folks here want?14:04
tdurakovjohnthetubaguy: which one?14:04
PaulMurraytdurakov, did you get a chance to look at what Nikola had done before ?14:05
johnthetubaguythe above spec 32084914:05
* mdbooth completely agrees with the concept of a state machine here, but I haven't had a chance to look this spec in detail14:05
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tdurakovPaulMurray: patch you've mentioned? yes14:05
PaulMurrayI think it was going that way but need tangchen to confirm that's what he meant14:06
PaulMurrayif so it looks good to me14:06
PaulMurraywhat do you think?14:06
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johnthetubaguyit feels like we should focus on tdurakov's changes around the conductor this cycle14:06
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johnthetubaguythe statemachine would be cool, but not sure we have agreed the direction on how to use that yet14:07
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tdurakovPaulMurray: if we want to go this way - sure, but from my sight we could use state machines for the whole process instead of dealing with statuses only14:07
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tdurakovjohnthetubaguy, PaulMurray, I'll start ml for this, so we could discuss it14:08
PaulMurrayok, lets go that way14:08
PaulMurray#action tdurakov to start ML about migration state machine14:08
johnthetubaguyI just think it will be clearer how this helps, after we remove the compute <-> compute bits14:08
tdurakovjohnthetubaguy: +114:09
PaulMurraylets move on then14:09
PaulMurrayI'll comment on the spec about that14:09
* mdbooth still doesn't understand the rationale for removing the compute<->compute bits, but perhaps I ought to read that spec again14:09
tdurakov:)14:09
PaulMurrayany other specs to go over14:10
PaulMurrayI ignored ones that had no progress for the last month14:10
johnthetubaguyare there any more we need at this point?14:10
davidgilukthe postcopy/force finish looks like it's getting there14:11
PaulMurrayI think that's merged now14:11
PaulMurray?14:11
tdurakovhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/306561/ - this one?14:11
tdurakovyup, it's merged14:11
andrearosaPaulMurray: it is14:11
davidgilukyes, it's good to see that merged14:11
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johnthetubaguyI think we got most of the big ticket items done this morning14:12
johnthetubaguyjust wondering what other bits we have lingering14:12
PaulMurrayThe only ones that have had progress in last month either merged or are priority specs14:12
johnthetubaguyso what are the outstanding priority one?14:12
PaulMurrayi.e. rest of storage pools ones14:12
johnthetubaguyah, the storage pool ones14:12
andreas_sfor completeness: the use-target-vif spec requires still discussion on the neutron side14:12
PaulMurrayhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/310505 Use libvirt storage pools (spec)14:12
PaulMurrayhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/310538/ Migrate libvirt volumes (spec)14:12
johnthetubaguyoh, those are spec links, I thought they were code links14:13
johnthetubaguythats clearer now14:13
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mdboothAside: does anybody know Feodor Tersin's nick, or what tz he's in?14:14
PaulMurraythe storage pools specs have been getting reviews, but still to be finished14:15
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kashyapmdbooth: 'ftersin' seems to be his nick14:15
PaulMurraylets move on to the fun stuff then14:15
PaulMurray#topic CI14:16
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PaulMurrayThe gate 64 discussion14:16
PaulMurrayhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095811.html14:16
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PaulMurraystarts here ^14:16
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PaulMurrayLooks like we're a bit stuck for now14:16
kashyapPaulMurray: Yeah, the current status is:14:16
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kashyapIt is a legit regression in libvirt; _but_, libvirt devs insist that what we're doing (manually updating cpu_map.xml) in DevStack is a hack.14:17
kashyapAnd, nova.conf should be enhanced to let operators enable/disable specific CPU flags.14:17
kashyapI'm going to file an upstream RFE for that before this is all forgotten14:18
mdboothkashyap: Is the regression going to be fixed?14:18
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kashyapmdbooth: Jiri (migration dev) told today that it is not trivial at all to fix, but that said, it'll be fixed as part of an upcoming libvirt CPU driver fixes14:18
kashyapmdbooth: Which might take a month-ish14:19
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tdurakovkashyap: if it hack in devstack, any recommendation on dealing it proper way?14:20
kashyapSee danpb's comment: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/096251.html14:20
kashyaptdurakov: ^14:20
mdboothkashyap: Yeah, that's pretty much what I was thinking14:20
danpbIMHO we shouldn't really be trying to create custom cpu models in the first place14:21
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danpblibvirt has explicit support for turning off individual features against a pre-existing cpu model14:21
davidgilukmdbooth: Do you have any idea how the gate64 set came to be - i.e. why it was core2duo- those options?14:21
danpbwe've just not got that wired up in nova.conf14:21
danpbif we used the proper libvirt support for this, instead of inventing gate64, we would not have hit a problem14:22
mdboothdavidgiluk: Nope. Guessing trial and error. I doubt specific cpu features are all that important in the gate as long as it works.14:22
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johnthetubaguydanpb: that sounds like it matches the CPU mask I am used to in XenServer to do something similar14:22
kashyapdanpb: You're referring to the <cpu> element here (with 'custom' mode), right? http://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html14:22
danpbyes14:23
davidgilukmdbooth: What's odd to me is why dont you just use core2duo - I'm curious why there is something less capable than a core2duo being used14:23
mdboothjohnthetubaguy: Is there a solution to this problem in devstack for XenServer?14:23
danpbdavidgiluk: certain public cloud providers aren't exposing nice cpus to the guest14:23
danpbiirc, in particular there was one or two key feature flags that all qemu models include which were not exposed by some clouds14:23
johnthetubaguymdbooth: nope14:24
danpbof course since the CI is apparently using TCG and not KVM, the choice of CPU model ought not to matter at all14:24
danpbso there's also probably another bug in nova where it is mistakenly doing a host/guest CPU comparison for TCG guests, when it should just ignore it14:24
kashyapYeah, that regression bug won't trigger in a domain type KVM.14:25
mdboothdanpb: orly? Could that be the cause of other issues?14:25
mdboothi.e. tcg14:25
danpbTCG can expose any CPU model it likes, regardless of whether the host cpu has the same features14:25
danpbsince it is 100% cpu emulation with no hardware acceleration14:25
johnthetubaguymdbooth: by other issues, do you mean the lockups during live-migrate?14:26
davidgilukdanpb: Although how many of those features are tested in TCG....14:26
mdboothjohnthetubaguy: For example, or anything tbh. Whenever I've mentioned TCG to KVM folks in the past they've been pretty much: don't do that.14:27
danpbdavidgiluk: true, but the point is we shouldn't need to invent custom cpu models at all for TCG - we can use any cpu model we want that exists14:27
danpbeg just use the default  qemu6414:27
PaulMurrayAnyone want to give it a go...14:29
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PaulMurraydanpb, if TCG doesn't need a custom model why was one introduced?14:30
PaulMurraydanpb, was there no TCG at the time /14:31
kashyapPaulMurray: It was introduced in this change, with this rationale:14:31
kashyap"We are trying to get a working 64bit qemu cpu model in the gate for nova live migration testing. It appears that we need to make this change prior to nova starting. "14:31
kashyaphttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/168407/14:31
danpbeither the CI was using KVM (nested) originally (?) or there is a bug in nova where it is trying todo CPU comparisons for both KVM and TCG, not just KVM14:32
danpbor even both14:32
johnthetubaguyyeah, that latter sounds correct14:33
PaulMurrayI'm really ignorant on this stuff... I would think anything we can try would be a good idea14:33
johnthetubaguyI don't think the CPU comparison is conditional, but my mind could be playing tricks on me14:33
danpb        # NOTE(berendt): virConnectCompareCPU not working for Xen14:33
danpb        if CONF.libvirt.virt_type not in ['qemu', 'kvm']:14:33
danpb            return14:33
danpbthat's int he _compare_cpu method14:34
danpbremoving 'qemu' from that list might be suffiicent14:34
johnthetubaguyah, that could do it14:34
danpbthere might be other cases of that issue elsewhere in the code of course14:34
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PaulMurrayWould someone like to pick this up ?14:37
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kashyapI'm not intimately familiar with the Nova codebase of this area, but can give it a shot14:39
PaulMurrayThanks kashyap14:39
kashyapUnless someone wants to work on it immeidately14:39
PaulMurrayI'll see if I can get someone for it if your not keen, but you might be the best bet for now.14:40
tdurakovPaulMurray: will try to help kashyap14:40
PaulMurraythanks14:40
kashyaptdurakov: Great14:40
clarkbwe have never used nested virt on rax as far as I know14:41
PaulMurray#action kashyap and tdurakov to look into using qemu defaults for CI testing instead of gate64 cpu model14:41
clarkbbecuse of the xen vs kvm issues. and that is where we run into the non homogenous cpu issues14:41
clarkbsdague pushed a patch that stopped using a common cpu model type and got it to fail recently so you can start there14:41
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PaulMurrayclarkb, thanks, have you seen the discussion above about using TCG ?14:42
tdurakovclarkb: thanks for details14:42
PaulMurrayclarkb, does that make any difference to you ?14:43
clarkbI have no idea just want to avoid confusion with tue test setup as it currently runs14:43
PaulMurrayok, thanks14:43
kashyapSean seems to have tried on RAX env without specifying that custom model:  "Experimenting with not doing the gate64 cpu setting failed in one of the live migration jobs on RAX because of cpu compat."  "Here is the cpu comparison between the master and subnode" -- http://paste.openstack.org/show/505672/14:43
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sdagueif we can pull the compat check like danpb says, because we don't need it for qemu, that seems like the most sensible fix14:44
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sdagueespecially as we discovered nested kvm breaks too often for us, so we're unlikely to enable it14:45
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davidgilukyeh it's still a bit touchy14:45
PaulMurraywell, we've stayed on this topic for a long time because its important, but lets move on now14:46
kashyapIf it breaks, bugs ought to be filed.  Upstream Kernel / KVM is quite responsive in these issues from my first-hand experience, FWIW.14:46
PaulMurrayI think mriedem is still away14:46
PaulMurray#topic Libvirt Storage Pools14:46
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PaulMurrayanything you need mdbooth ?14:47
PaulMurrayor anything you want to tell us ?14:47
sdaguePaulMurray: it would be good to make sure this gets resolved, because this inhibits moving to xenial in upstream testing (unless we disable live migration testing entirely)14:47
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mdboothPaulMurray: Nope, diana_clarke and I have had our heads down14:47
diana_clarkeI have some qcow2 code to revisit, but otherwise I'm pretty close to being done the new imagebackend methods. And Matt is starting to use these new methods in the driver code.14:47
PaulMurraysdague, plan to follow it through - kashyap and tdurakov are going to look at it14:47
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mdboothWe're *hoping* to be testing out CI by the end of the week.14:47
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PaulMurrayThat's good - are you getting what you need from everyone else ?14:48
mdboothPaulMurray: Yup. Getting excellent review attention.14:48
PaulMurraygood14:49
mdboothCould do with more eyes on diana_clarke's series now, though14:49
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mdboothThey're still in flux, but nothing major I think14:49
PaulMurraydiana_clarke, you got a link ?14:49
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mdboothPaulMurray: Links should be on the wiki?14:49
diana_clarkehttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:libvirt-instance-storage14:50
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diana_clarke(ignore the most recent two for the moment)14:50
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PaulMurrayare you putting this in here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking14:51
PaulMurray#action all look at these https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:libvirt-instance-storage14:53
PaulMurrayonly a few minutes to go14:53
PaulMurray#topic reviews and open discussion14:53
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PaulMurrayanything ?14:53
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PaulMurrayI think we are done14:54
PaulMurraythanks for coming14:54
PaulMurray#endmeeting14:55
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andrearosabye14:55
openstackMeeting ended Tue May 31 14:55:05 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:55
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diana_clarkethanks!14:55
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tonyb#startmeeting stable15:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May 31 15:00:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'stable'15:01
tonybAnyone here for the stable meeting?15:01
tonybit's a holiday in the US so perhaps only me and the Europe folks?15:02
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ttxo/15:07
ttxtonyb: no longer a holiday in the us now15:07
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tonybttx: okay.15:08
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tonybttx: Is there anything you'd like to discuss?15:09
ttxnothing pressing15:09
ttxtonyb: looks like we have a pretty good process laid down now15:10
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tonybttx: Yeah I think mostly it's working okay.15:10
ihrachyso/15:11
ihrachysI have one thing15:11
tonybttx: the biggest "problem" is deciding what from the big tent to include on the grand kilo EOL15:11
tonybihrachys: hey!15:11
tonybihrachys: please go ahead15:11
ihrachystonyb: re kilo, why not drop it globally? :)15:11
ihrachysso my thing is, I finally have a document for proactive backporting process: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322273/15:12
ihrachysthat could make use of some attention from core stable folks15:12
tonybihrachys: because that isn't what's happend in the past.15:12
ihrachysnote it's proposed for project-team-guide15:12
ihrachysso I tried to stay generic in wording15:13
ihrachyseven though atm it's neutron thing15:13
tonybihrachys: some clients like to stay "open"15:13
ihrachysI have people interested in the process for other projects, so...15:13
ttxihrachys: I'll review it soon15:13
tonybihrachys: Yeah I had your project-team-guide on the agdenda to bring up for awareness15:13
ihrachystonyb: got it. don't they have any functional tests that would require other components?15:14
ihrachysthanks folks :)15:14
tonybihrachys: I'll review it today (technically it's Wednesday here)15:14
tonybihrachys: Yeah some do and that where tha ball of string starts to unravel15:14
tonybihrachys: originally I had a list + devstack + requirements15:15
tonybihrachys: which effectivly means EOL'ing anythign that has a hard requirement on those projects IIUC15:15
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ihrachysleaving just unit tests and pep815:16
tonybI want to avoid bugging infra too much but I think I just need to send the list and the proposed process and see what happens15:16
ihrachyswhen will those get dropped? do we set some counter?15:17
tonybihrachys: Yeah, the part I'm most worried about is missing something and leaving the gate full of -1's from jenkins15:17
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ihrachysmeh. I would claim it's not supported across the board and move on.15:18
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tonybihrachys: IIUC infra will at some point stop running any tests on the kilo branches but I don't have a clear idea of when that'll happen15:18
tonybihrachys: You're right I'm probably over thinkign it :D15:18
ihrachystonyb: maybe you are not if we don't have it as a policy.15:19
tonyb#action tonyb drop kilo ASAP15:19
ihrachystonyb: at least for next time we need that, I would prefer we have a consistent message for all projects.15:19
tonybihrachys: Yeah.  I'm tryign to follow what we did for juno and apply that to kilo+big tent15:20
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ihrachysfair enough15:21
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tonybAnything else?15:24
ttxtonyb: maybe for future meetings we could try to get agenda / attendance beforehand and skip if we don't have topics/quorum15:25
ttxthat would avoid keeping you up for little value15:25
tonybttx: Yeah Normally Matt runs this meeting but he's on vacation15:25
tonybttx: we did have an agenda but it's mostly boiler plate that I skipped as it was the 3 of us15:28
tonybanyway if there is nothgin else I'll call this done ...15:28
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ttxYou shall15:29
tonybThanks ttx and ihrachys15:30
tonybsee you round15:30
tonyb#endmeeting15:30
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pavel_bondarkevinbenton: ping15:53
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devkulkarni#startmeeting Solum Team Meeting17:00
openstackMeeting started Tue May 31 17:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is devkulkarni. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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devkulkarni#topic Roll Call17:00
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devkulkarniDevdatta Kulkarni17:00
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zhurongzhurong 0/17:01
devkulkarnihi zhurong17:01
zhurongHi devkulkarni17:01
devkulkarnilets see if anyone else joins us today17:01
devkulkarniour new meeting time has not yet taken effect17:01
caoweicaowei17:01
devkulkarnihi caowei17:01
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caoweihi devkulkarni17:02
caoweihi zhurong17:02
devkulkarnicaowei, zhurong: nice to see you both17:02
zhurongdevkulkarni caowei is online17:02
devkulkarniI know it is very late for you17:02
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devkulkarnihopefully from next week our new meeting time will work for you better17:03
zhurongdevkulkarni goog news :)17:03
devkulkarniusually I prepare an agenda for this meeting .. here is the agenda for last week17:03
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devkulkarnizhurong: what is it? tell us :)17:03
devkulkarnihttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Solum17:04
zhurongdevkulkarni change the meeting time, more better for us17:04
devkulkarnizhurong: oh yes17:04
devkulkarniI have submitted the patch to make the change17:05
devkulkarniI am sure it will get merged17:05
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devkulkarniwhile that has not merged, we can continue today at this time since both of you are here anyways17:05
devkulkarniwe can keep it short17:05
caoweiMaybe we all thought the meeting was successfully revised to tomorrow.17:06
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devkulkarnicaowei: I would have liked to start on the new schedule tomorrow, but the patch has not yet merged .. in any case, starting next week we will most certainly start at the new time on Wednesday17:07
devkulkarnizhurong: caowei had a question for you for one of his patches17:07
caoweihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/322623/117:08
devkulkarnizhurong: I like the changes in this patch17:09
devkulkarniwanted to check if you had any strong objections?17:10
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zhurongdevkulkarni caowei OK I change my vote17:12
devkulkarnicool17:12
devkulkarnizhurong: btw, I will go over your patches about including solum and solum-dashboard in projects.txt later today17:13
caowei Please look at this.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322694/17:14
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devkulkarnicaowei: looking17:14
caoweiNova-docker can't be used normally17:15
devkulkarnicaowei: are you running into this issue with latest nova?17:15
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caoweiyes17:16
devkulkarnibtw, several voting gates are failing on that patch17:16
devkulkarnicaowei: I see17:16
zhurongcaowei and I suggest change your commit msg17:17
devkulkarnicaowei: looking at your patch, it seems like the issue is not necessarily related to nova-docker .. it will affect any driver, right?17:18
devkulkarnicaowei: the change itself seems okay to me, but we will need someone from the nova team to weigh in17:19
caoweiyes ,I was through this modification to support the deployment of Solum17:20
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devkulkarnicaowei: sure, I can guess that you must have ran into the issue when trying to get a working environment solum which requires loading of the nova-docker driver.. but the code change in your patch is independent of any driver.. that is all that I meant above ..17:22
caoweiyes17:23
devkulkarnicaowei: in the bug report for that patch, can you add the the nova commit sha for which you ran into this issue17:23
devkulkarnicaowei: that way, it will provide the context to the nova team when someone from their team gets around to reviewing this bug17:25
devkulkarnicaowei: here is the bug link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/158695017:25
openstackLaunchpad bug 1586950 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "ImportError: No module named novadocker.virt.docker.driver" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to caowei (caowei-e)17:25
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devkulkarnicaowei, zhurong: we can end the meeting if there are no other pressing questions for today .. its very late for you folks17:30
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zhurongdevkulkarni agree17:31
devkulkarnialright then..17:31
caoweiOkay17:31
devkulkarnithanks zhurong and caowei for joining today17:31
zhurongthx devkulkarni17:31
devkulkarniif the meeting patch gets merged today, we can have another meeting tomorrow17:31
caowei thx devkulkarni17:31
devkulkarniotherwise, we can start at new time next week17:31
caowei thx zhurong17:32
devkulkarnigood night caowei and zhurong17:32
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devkulkarni#endmeeting17:32
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