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| SridarK_ | Hi FWaaS folks | 04:00 |
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| njohnston | #startmeeting fwaas | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 8 04:00:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is njohnston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fwaas' | 04:00 |
| njohnston | #chair SridarK_ xgerman | 04:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK_ njohnston xgerman | 04:00 |
| njohnston | Hi everybody! | 04:00 |
| chandanc | Hello All | 04:00 |
| SarathMekala | Hi | 04:00 |
| SridarK_ | Hi All | 04:00 |
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| padkrish | hello all | 04:01 |
| yushiro | padkrish, Hi | 04:01 |
| shwetaap | Hi | 04:01 |
| SridarK_ | overall i think this week we have started things moving in the right directions with multiple discussions | 04:01 |
| hoangcx | hi | 04:02 |
| njohnston | Agreed, which is timely given that N-1 was cut | 04:02 |
| njohnston | So let | 04:02 |
| SridarK_ | yes we hope the next few weeks will be very productive | 04:02 |
| SridarK_ | #topic FWaaS V2 | 04:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FWaaS V2 (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:03 | |
| SridarK_ | lets start things off with v2 | 04:03 |
| njohnston | I've been banging on the DB patch a bit | 04:03 |
| njohnston | I hope to really focus on that tomorrow | 04:03 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: , padkrish: mfranc213 & i kickstarted some discussions on the db - plugin interactions | 04:04 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: great thx | 04:04 |
| padkrish | SridarK: great | 04:04 |
| yushiro | great | 04:04 |
| SridarK_ | to ur question - we can live without alembic migrations for now | 04:04 |
| SridarK_ | bit of a pain - but we can create the needed tables manually on a devstack deployment | 04:04 |
| njohnston | indeed, I think that is viable for now | 04:05 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: so great - i think we can do a bit of integration by end of week | 04:05 |
| SridarK_ | across ext - db - plugin | 04:05 |
| njohnston | I will try to have something posted tomorrow that works and has some basic unit tests | 04:05 |
| SridarK_ | i have started digging into the plugin pieces on the versioned objects - based on pointers from njohnston: & mfranc213: | 04:06 |
| SridarK_ | thx | 04:06 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: cool | 04:06 |
| SridarK_ | padkrish:, yushiro: how are things on the agent side of things | 04:06 |
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| padkrish | yushiro has a patch posted | 04:07 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: apologies - we had to do a quick discussion which was a very inconvenient time for u | 04:07 |
| SridarK_ | yushiro: yes started looking | 04:07 |
| padkrish | that's a great start, imo... still some interactions with driver and plugin is pending work | 04:07 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, OK. It's nothing. | 04:08 |
| padkrish | plus some unit test code | 04:08 |
| SridarK_ | padkrish: agreed | 04:08 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, padkrish And some comments are given from Ihar and Miguel angel Ajo. | 04:08 |
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| SridarK_ | yushiro: yes and thx to njohnston: to get some discussions with the qos folks | 04:08 |
| padkrish | yushiro: Yes, i have given 2-3 comments...nothing new, we already discussed those.. | 04:09 |
| * njohnston is happy to facilitate | 04:09 | |
| yushiro | padkrish, oh, really? After finished meeting, let's share some information :) | 04:09 |
| yushiro | SridarK_, yeah. | 04:09 |
| padkrish | yushiro: sure :) | 04:09 |
| njohnston | So quick question - at the summit, we mentioned that the Neutron change to relocate the ipchains 'ACCEPT' needed to be put in sooner rather than later because of the lengthy Neutron review process. Is there an ETA for this? | 04:10 |
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| SridarK_ | njohnston: yes good point - we should get this moving | 04:11 |
| njohnston | If I have the wrong impression, please correct me. :-) | 04:11 |
| SridarK_ | looks like mickeys is not on today - i chatted with him briefly earlier - he said he got sucked into some high priority stuff | 04:11 |
| xgerman | O/ | 04:11 |
| SridarK_ | chandanc: Sarath - can u pls ping mickeys | 04:12 |
| SridarK_ | so u can help out | 04:12 |
| chandanc | Sure will do | 04:12 |
| SarathMekala | sure | 04:12 |
| SridarK_ | he said he is more than happy to provide all the information | 04:12 |
| chandanc | I have started looking at the iptables driver and was about to ping mickey anyways | 04:12 |
| SridarK_ | just that he is spinning on some critical stuff | 04:12 |
| SridarK_ | chandanc: ok great | 04:12 |
| SridarK_ | chandanc: SarathMekala: pls do let me know if u want me to facilitate anything in this regard | 04:13 |
| chandanc | sure will ping you | 04:13 |
| shwetaap | For the V2 patch, I have reused many of the tests from the existing test_firewall.py to create a test_firewall_v2.py. But I am seeing failures while running the tests. I think I need a patch in neutron to register FIREWALL_V2 as an extension as well, is that right? | 04:14 |
| SarathMekala | I have a few questions regarding V2 implementation.. I will send across a mail after this meeting | 04:14 |
| SridarK_ | shwetaap: ok great - was abt to get to u | 04:14 |
| SridarK_ | SarathMekala: surely | 04:14 |
| SridarK_ | shwetaap: this could be a path issue | 04:15 |
| SridarK_ | on where extensions are defined | 04:15 |
| SridarK_ | it should pick it up | 04:15 |
| SridarK_ | now on UT u may need to do some funky stuff with the ext manager | 04:15 |
| shwetaap | oh .. so I dont need to register Firewall_v2 in neutron | 04:15 |
| SridarK_ | shwetaap: once the ext is defined - it should pick it up and become part of what neutron supports | 04:16 |
| SridarK_ | shwetaap: i can sync with u more if u need help | 04:16 |
| shwetaap | SridarK_: yea ok we can do that. Thanks | 04:16 |
| SridarK_ | shwetaap: i have done a basic test earlier - but i think there could be some minor gotchas that can mess things up | 04:16 |
| SridarK_ | shwetaap: ok cool thx | 04:17 |
| SridarK_ | other things on v2 we want to discuss ? | 04:17 |
| SridarK_ | ok lets move on | 04:18 |
| SridarK_ | #topic L3 Agent Extension | 04:18 |
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| njohnston | mfranc213 and I have been working on the spec | 04:18 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315745/ | 04:18 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: thx and floor is all yours | 04:18 |
| njohnston | please take a look | 04:18 |
| xgerman | +1 think we are close | 04:18 |
| njohnston | in particular the section on how the l2 agent extension works may be of interest | 04:19 |
| SridarK_ | +1 agreed - i think that is coming together nicely | 04:19 |
| njohnston | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315745/11/specs/newton/l3-agent-extension.rst@59 | 04:19 |
| njohnston | so I think we just need review momentum | 04:19 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: +1 | 04:19 |
| SridarK_ | i have to review the last edits | 04:20 |
| SridarK_ | will do that tomorrow | 04:20 |
| yushiro | njohnston, Yes. ur spec is very clear. I'll review it again. | 04:20 |
| njohnston | SridarK_ yushiro: many thanks | 04:20 |
| SridarK_ | Folks Thu morn pacific is the L3 team mtg | 04:20 |
| SridarK_ | so some review feedback will help njohnston: & mfranc213: to have this in good shape before that | 04:21 |
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| SridarK_ | this can help us get more eyes from the L3 team | 04:21 |
| SridarK_ | thx | 04:21 |
| njohnston | And then once fwaas v2 db is more secure I will start to look at an implementation for this, which will be some heavy lifting so the earlier we get started the better | 04:21 |
| xgerman | Yep | 04:21 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: yes agreed | 04:21 |
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| njohnston | that is all I have on that | 04:22 |
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| SridarK_ | njohnston: if i can do some quick refactor on the plugin - i can help u as well | 04:22 |
| njohnston | SridarK_: That would be very welcome | 04:22 |
| SridarK_ | so as i understand, we will continue work on the L3 agent pieces and switch over to the new L3 Agent model when it is avail | 04:23 |
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| SridarK_ | and hopefully we can commonize the plugin i/f pieces of the agent across L2 and L3 | 04:23 |
| njohnston | Yes, that is my understanding as well. As long as the fundamentals are sound, we should be able to tie in to the extension mechanism easily - especially so since we're the ones defining the extension mechanism. | 04:24 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: that is my thinking and hope as well | 04:24 |
| njohnston | There are pitfalls making the interface common across L2 and L3, but we can burn those bridges whenw e get tot hem | 04:24 |
| njohnston | when we get to them | 04:24 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: +1 | 04:24 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 04:25 |
| SridarK_ | ok lets move on | 04:25 |
| SridarK_ | #topic tempest jobs | 04:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tempest jobs (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:26 | |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: thx for capturing this | 04:26 |
| njohnston | yes, it seems that fwaas stuff broke the neutron-api gate jobs | 04:26 |
| njohnston | but it wasn't our fault | 04:26 |
| njohnston | the decoupling of l3 from fwaas seemed to have some issues, is my take on things | 04:27 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/321146 | 04:27 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/214358 | 04:27 |
| xgerman | Didn't armax fix that once? | 04:27 |
| njohnston | change https://review.openstack.org/325940 was abandoned in favor of | 04:27 |
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| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326150/) | 04:27 |
| njohnston | the coupling in question was in the devstack-gate code I guess | 04:28 |
| SridarK_ | the devstack patches have not merged | 04:28 |
| njohnston | The key one was the last one I think - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326150/ - which at least got the fwaas test working again | 04:29 |
| SridarK_ | i think it was pointed out the need for a dependency so that we have the fwaas plugin in place b4 q-fwaas is pulled out of devstack | 04:29 |
| njohnston | there was a use of an internal symbol in one of the fwaas tests that needed to be replaced with a proper method | 04:29 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: yes | 04:29 |
| njohnston | Apropos to that, I worked on the fwaas devstack plugin today | 04:30 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/214350 | 04:30 |
| xgerman | Yeah. I hope that will come together soon | 04:30 |
| njohnston | mestery is seeing a strange error in his testing that I am not seeing; I encourage people to spin up devstacks and try it themselves. mestery posted the line he uses in his local.conf so that should help | 04:31 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: i am pulling this too | 04:31 |
| njohnston | reviews and comments are encouraged | 04:31 |
| SridarK_ | i waited as the error was reported on the review | 04:31 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: ok if u dont see it - i will restart that | 04:31 |
| njohnston | SridarK_: Yes, please. Thanks! | 04:32 |
| SridarK_ | in looking at the patch - it did seem that we have the necessary pieces | 04:32 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: ok i will replicate this, i have an env ready | 04:33 |
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| njohnston | Yes, and mestery's error - "cp: cannot stat '/opt/stack/neutron-fwaas/etc/.sample': No such file or directory " - makes it sound as though there is an env variable that should be filled in before the .sample that is null | 04:33 |
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| SridarK_ | njohnston: but u dont encounter this ? | 04:34 |
| njohnston | SridarK_: No, I don't - my devstack build completes without issue. | 04:35 |
| njohnston | I started to try to exercise the fwaas API to functionally test it but I ran out of time before the meeting | 04:35 |
| SridarK_ | ok we can sync tomorrow | 04:35 |
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| SridarK_ | anything else folks would like to discuss on anyt other patches | 04:36 |
| yushiro | njohnston, If possible, I'll try it and tell you about the result. | 04:36 |
| njohnston | yushiro: I am very grateful. | 04:36 |
| chandanc | i can try it too :) | 04:36 |
| njohnston | chandanc: Thank you very much as well. | 04:37 |
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| * njohnston has nothing else for the agenda | 04:37 | |
| SridarK_ | ok lets get to open discussion | 04:37 |
| xgerman | Same here | 04:37 |
| SridarK_ | #topic Open Discussion | 04:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:37 | |
| SridarK_ | we can start to think abt the virtual mid cycle next week ? | 04:38 |
| njohnston | +1 sounds good | 04:39 |
| SridarK_ | i know folks may have some summer vacation plans too - so we can try to pin down some dates | 04:39 |
| njohnston | I wonder if we can get openstack bot in #openstack-fwaas so we can use that channel for our discussions and have it logged | 04:39 |
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| SridarK_ | njohnston: huge +1 | 04:39 |
| yushiro | njohnston, +1 good idea. | 04:40 |
| xgerman | we would need everybody to log out. Easier to create a new channel | 04:40 |
| SridarK_ | ok lets dig more on what it takes | 04:40 |
| SridarK_ | xgerman: ok | 04:40 |
| xgerman | That's what we did in LBaaS | 04:41 |
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| SridarK_ | xgerman: thx lets discuss this and see what is the best way fwd - we could have a quick chat tomorrow | 04:42 |
| * njohnston is interested in chatting about it as well | 04:42 | |
| xgerman | Sounds good | 04:42 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: ok perfect | 04:43 |
| SridarK_ | did not have anything else major to discuss | 04:43 |
| chandanc | SridarK: njohnston: I have a qiestion on the v2 api. As mentioned by xgerman in reply to my mail, sg-groups in neutron can be disabled. Do you guys thing we will have v2 api and sg-group active at the same time or we would want the sg-group disabled | 04:43 |
| SridarK_ | chandanc: we can disable sg group for testing using the noop Firewall driver (SG) | 04:44 |
| xgerman | Both active... But operators can choose | 04:44 |
| njohnston | I think that we should strongly recommend that SG be shut down, but it should be operator choice. | 04:44 |
| SridarK_ | but in terms of merging we cannot rely on that | 04:44 |
| xgerman | njohnston: +1 | 04:44 |
| SridarK_ | we should allow for the fact that it can be active | 04:44 |
| chandanc | SridarK: ok got it | 04:44 |
| xgerman | More importantly we shouldn't break in those configurations | 04:45 |
| njohnston | But we can explain that when dealing with two sets of firewall rules the results may be nondeterministic, and thus an operator would be putting the tenant experience at risk | 04:45 |
| SridarK_ | i agree on the recommendation | 04:45 |
| xgerman | +1 | 04:45 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: the results should be deterministic - as long as we have wired things properly | 04:45 |
| chandanc | ok sure | 04:46 |
| xgerman | Yep. Contrack, etc need to be made singletons | 04:46 |
| SridarK_ | this is the tricky thing to make sure we dont break | 04:46 |
| xgerman | Mickeys has more insight | 04:46 |
| SridarK_ | xgerman: +1 | 04:46 |
| chandanc | ya i am discussing that part with mickey | 04:46 |
| SridarK_ | chandanc: SarathMekala: good point and yes u can close that with mickeys | 04:47 |
| chandanc | I just sent him a mail on this | 04:47 |
| SridarK_ | ok great | 04:47 |
| padkrish | chandanc# if you can jot down some of your understanding on an etherpad, it will be super useful | 04:47 |
| chandanc | Will surely do :) | 04:48 |
| xgerman | If you send me the link I can comment as well | 04:48 |
| padkrish | chandanc: thanks | 04:48 |
| chandanc | xgerman: sure | 04:48 |
| SridarK_ | ok we can get some time back - if nothing else | 04:49 |
| njohnston | SridarK_: Will you be on IRC tomorrow? | 04:49 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: yes | 04:49 |
| SridarK_ | if u dont see me just shoot me an email | 04:49 |
| njohnston | Excellent, I will ping you anon. | 04:49 |
| xgerman | Same here but I have a ton of distraction s | 04:50 |
| SridarK_ | +1 | 04:50 |
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| SridarK_ | ok folks thx for joining and for the discussions. | 04:50 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 04:51 |
| njohnston | thanks all! | 04:51 |
| yushiro | +1 :-) | 04:51 |
| SridarK_ | #endmeeting | 04:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 04:51 | |
| chandanc | thanks to all | 04:51 |
| SarathMekala | Thanks | 04:51 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 8 04:51:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-06-08-04.00.html | 04:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-06-08-04.00.txt | 04:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-06-08-04.00.log.html | 04:51 |
| xgerman | O/ | 04:51 |
| hoangcx | bye bye | 04:52 |
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| soichi | hi | 05:31 |
| kaz | hello | 05:31 |
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| vnyyad | Hi | 05:32 |
| soichi | hi | 05:33 |
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| vnyyad | should i start the meeting | 05:34 |
| soichi | yes, please | 05:34 |
| vnyyad | #startmeeting taas | 05:34 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:34 |
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| yamamoto_ | hi | 05:35 |
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| vnyyad | #topic mitaka release compatibility | 05:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mitaka release compatibility (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:35 | |
| yamamoto_ | it's mine | 05:36 |
| yamamoto_ | do we still want to make a release for mitaka? | 05:36 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: hi | 05:36 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto: i guess if its important for acceptance we should | 05:37 |
| yamamoto_ | i think nothing wrong with targetting newton wrt acceptance | 05:37 |
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| yamamoto_ | recently merged patch introduced "newton" migration directory | 05:38 |
| yamamoto_ | if we still want to target to mitaka, we should rename it | 05:38 |
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| yamamoto_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320181/ | 05:38 |
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| vnyyad | ok | 05:39 |
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| vnyyad | any opinions from others? | 05:39 |
| yamamoto_ | i don't have strong opinion either ways. | 05:40 |
| yamamoto_ | we (midokura) want to see mitaka release as we want the feature for mitaka though. | 05:40 |
| yamamoto_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307708/ related patch | 05:40 |
| vnyyad | I guess we should bring it up again when more people are there in the meeting | 05:41 |
| soichi | i think Newton is good, if it is no problem for acceptance | 05:41 |
| vnyyad | soichi: we must check that | 05:41 |
| soichi | sure | 05:42 |
| vnyyad | also has there been any update on process to get accepted | 05:42 |
| vnyyad | i remember anil mentioning that there will be a objective list of things to do before we can get accepted | 05:43 |
| yamamoto_ | the acceptance thing reminded me about the spec. any chance to merge? | 05:43 |
| yamamoto_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256210/ | 05:44 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto_:i think we should get the current spec accepted in the basic form | 05:44 |
| vnyyad | no more edits till we get in, what do you think | 05:44 |
| yamamoto_ | accepted by who? | 05:45 |
| vnyyad | accepted in neutron | 05:45 |
| yamamoto_ | what do you mean by "no more edits"? | 05:46 |
| vnyyad | i mean edits to improve are ok.. but we can aviod adding any major changes to the data model | 05:46 |
| vnyyad | like adding filtering or so | 05:46 |
| yamamoto_ | i agree. | 05:47 |
| soichi | vnyyad: +1 | 05:47 |
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| vnyyad | to repeat my question again: has there been any communication as to what are the TODO list to achieve before we get accepted? | 05:49 |
| yamamoto_ | well, depends on how long it takes. but i agree that we should not start adding major features right now. | 05:49 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto_ : +1 | 05:49 |
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| yamamoto_ | fix bugs and improve tests? | 05:50 |
| vnyyad | ok, so i guess we should make them our priority | 05:51 |
| soichi | +1 | 05:51 |
| vnyyad | +1 | 05:52 |
| vnyyad | should we make a list of it to traget it one by one? | 05:52 |
| yamamoto_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312199/12/specs/newton/neutron-stadium.rst@80 | 05:52 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto_:thanks! | 05:52 |
| vnyyad | next topic? | 05:54 |
| yamamoto_ | i think major items we can do right now is 1) l2 agent extension 2) osc plugin 3) test improvements | 05:55 |
| yamamoto_ | i think 1) and 2) are reedip's todo list | 05:55 |
| vnyyad | ok | 05:55 |
| yamamoto_ | i guess someone can help him and/or take over | 05:55 |
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| vnyyad | +1 | 05:57 |
| vnyyad | is he in the meeting | 05:57 |
| yamamoto_ | it seems he is not here today | 05:57 |
| vnyyad | ok we should check with him next week then | 05:58 |
| yamamoto_ | or contact him offline | 05:58 |
| vnyyad | ok will do that | 05:58 |
| yamamoto_ | let's move on | 05:58 |
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| vnyyad | ok | 05:59 |
| vnyyad | #topic: review inbox | 05:59 |
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| yamamoto_ | i put a link on the wiki | 06:00 |
| soichi | it looks quite fine for me | 06:00 |
| yamamoto_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?title=tap-as-a-service+Review+Inbox&foreach=%28project%3Aopenstack%2Ftap-as-a-service%29+status%3Aopen+NOT+owner%3Aself+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D-1+label%3AVerified%3E%3D1%2Cjenkins+NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3E%3D-2%2Cself+branch%3Amaster&Needs+Feedback+%28Changes+older+than+5+days+that+have+not+been+reviewed+by+anyone%29=NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3C%3D | 06:00 |
| yamamoto_ | 2+age%3A5d&You+are+a+reviewer%2C+but+haven%27t+voted+in+the+current+revision=reviewer%3Aself&Needs+final+%2B2=label%3ACode-Review%3E%3D2+NOT%28reviewerin%3Atap-as-a-service-core+label%3ACode-Review%3C%3D-1%29+limit%3A50&Passed+Jenkins%2C+No+Negative+Core+Feedback=NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3E%3D2+NOT%28reviewerin%3Atap-as-a-service-core+label%3ACode-Review%3C%3D-1%29+limit%3A50&Wayward+Changes+%28Cha | 06:00 |
| yamamoto_ | nges+with+no+code+review+in+the+last+2days%29=NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3C%3D2+age%3A2d | 06:00 |
| yamamoto_ | hm, it seems too long to paste :-) | 06:00 |
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| yamamoto_ | #link https://goo.gl/DdeEy8 | 06:01 |
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| yamamoto_ | i'd encourage everyone here to bookmark it. :-) | 06:01 |
| vnyyad | +1 | 06:01 |
| vnyyad | ok then we move on | 06:02 |
| vnyyad | if no more comments on this | 06:02 |
| yamamoto_ | that's all from me | 06:03 |
| vnyyad | #topic State transition model for TaaS objects | 06:03 |
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| vnyyad | i added a proposed state transition diagram to the agenda | 06:03 |
| vnyyad | https://wiki.openstack.org/w/images/8/8a/Status_Flow_Chart.png | 06:03 |
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| vnyyad | check if you guys can open it | 06:04 |
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| yamamoto_ | i tend to think agent-level port-unbound should not affect this state | 06:05 |
| yamamoto_ | and there should be a way to get out of error state. eg. removal of resource | 06:06 |
| soichi | i guess it is beteer to separate creating error and agent-level port-unbound | 06:06 |
| vnyyad | i iguess its good to indicate the agent level port upbound | 06:07 |
| vnyyad | soichi: i could be good to place port level unbound in a separate state just for indicating it so | 06:07 |
| yamamoto_ | at least it should not be called "error", as it's a quite normal condition. | 06:08 |
| soichi | okay | 06:08 |
| vnyyad | yamamoto_: +1 | 06:08 |
| soichi | yamamoto_: +1 | 06:08 |
| vnyyad | and also the action to get out of this stats needs to be indicated | 06:08 |
| vnyyad | so will add that | 06:08 |
| vnyyad | i guess then we call it port unbound state :) | 06:09 |
| soichi | it sounds okay for me | 06:09 |
| yamamoto_ | it sounds clearer :) | 06:09 |
| vnyyad | will edit and re upload it | 06:10 |
| yamamoto_ | vnyyad: thank you! | 06:10 |
| soichi | thank you | 06:10 |
| vnyyad | any other state missing or transition issues missing? | 06:10 |
| vnyyad | thanks! | 06:11 |
| vnyyad | ok any other comments or topics to discuss? | 06:11 |
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| soichi | i'd like to confirm that adding only one status feild is fine on today's discussion | 06:12 |
| vnyyad | yeah i guess so, one status with multiple states | 06:12 |
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| soichi | okay, thank you | 06:13 |
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| vnyyad | cool then, we go one status then | 06:14 |
| vnyyad | any other topic to discuss | 06:14 |
| yamamoto_ | vnyyad: i guess some "updating" state is necessary (in future?) | 06:14 |
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| vnyyad | yamamoto: yes, very much | 06:15 |
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| vnyyad | any other topic | 06:16 |
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| soichi | i don't have | 06:17 |
| vnyyad | shall we close | 06:17 |
| yamamoto_ | nothing from me | 06:17 |
| soichi | i apologies for absence next week IRC | 06:18 |
| vnyyad | ok, thanks guys for todays meeting... | 06:18 |
| vnyyad | see you all next week | 06:18 |
| soichi | bye | 06:18 |
| yamamoto_ | bye | 06:18 |
| kaz | bye | 06:19 |
| vnyyad | bye | 06:19 |
| vnyyad | #endmeeting | 06:19 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-06-08-05.34.txt | 06:19 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizondrivers | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 8 08:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizondrivers)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 08:00 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 08:00 |
| robcresswell | Anyone around for drivers meeting? | 08:00 |
| tsufiev | another quiet meeting | 08:00 |
| robcresswell | morning tsufiev | 08:00 |
| tsufiev | morning, robcresswell | 08:01 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, there's no agenda again either. Probably could've cancelled the meeting had I checked earlier. | 08:01 |
| tsufiev | oh, I have one item in case you don't mind | 08:01 |
| robcresswell | of course, go ahead | 08:01 |
| tsufiev | the question is if we have quorum :)? | 08:01 |
| robcresswell | ha, might be better to bring it up in the evening meeting | 08:02 |
| tsufiev | well, just in case, it's a pretty old one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/add-policy-rules-to-workflow-actions | 08:02 |
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| tsufiev | now, with all the momentum around Angular stuff it's not clear even to me, if we should pursue improving some aspects of Django-based Horizon | 08:03 |
| robcresswell | As always *it depends* | 08:03 |
| tsufiev | 'even to me' - speaking specifically of this patch | 08:03 |
| tsufiev | ok... so, move to evening discussion? | 08:04 |
| robcresswell | I don't expect angular to replace all of Django within the next 2 cycles, probably. It doesnt have the momentum to do so. | 08:04 |
| robcresswell | So, its usually beneficial to add improvements to the django side | 08:04 |
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| tsufiev | that's good to hear | 08:04 |
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| robcresswell | but yes, we can discuss further this evening | 08:05 |
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| tsufiev | I also had a couple of other changes that still seem to add value to Django and have been overlooked for some time | 08:05 |
| tsufiev | what would you say if I added them to n-2 milestone, to draw more attention? | 08:06 |
| robcresswell | which ones? | 08:06 |
| tsufiev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144153/ | 08:06 |
| tsufiev | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215277/ | 08:06 |
| tsufiev | not sure if they're eligible for discussion at a blueprint meeting, but anyways it's not stuffed with topics :) | 08:07 |
| robcresswell | Ah interesting | 08:07 |
| robcresswell | yep, go for it | 08:07 |
| tsufiev | both are hanging in gerrit for quite a long time, I'd like to either merge or abandon them | 08:08 |
| robcresswell | Sure, target to n-2 | 08:09 |
| tsufiev | so, Nova quotas change should be a useful patch in case Nova quotas are disabled | 08:09 |
| tsufiev | okay, will do! | 08:09 |
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| wangbo | hi guys, I have a question here. | 08:09 |
| wangbo | As I know openstack-sdk is a collection library to call openstack apis. | 08:09 |
| wangbo | So do we think about to use openstack-sdk instead of ***-client in horizon? | 08:10 |
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| tsufiev | hm... | 08:10 |
| robcresswell | There's no real reason to, right now. The support it does have is often not complete across services | 08:10 |
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| robcresswell | apart from keystone perhaps | 08:10 |
| tsufiev | as for me, it's the first time I hear about the thing | 08:10 |
| robcresswell | openstackclient? | 08:11 |
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| tsufiev | openstack-sdk | 08:11 |
| wangbo | https://github.com/openstack/python-openstacksdk | 08:11 |
| robcresswell | Yeah I think wangbo is referring to the unified client | 08:11 |
| robcresswell | As in, openstack <do a thing> rather than neutron <do a thing> etc | 08:11 |
| tsufiev | no, seems to be a different thing | 08:11 |
| robcresswell | hmm | 08:12 |
| robcresswell | wangbo: What would be the reasoning for using it? | 08:13 |
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| wangbo | it's easy to main the horizon code (openstack_dashbaord/api/), do not need to import all ***-client | 08:14 |
| robcresswell | Why is that easier? Not sure I follow. Swapping lib has inherent risk. | 08:15 |
| tsufiev | btw, there is another project aimed to provide support for different APIs, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314313/ | 08:16 |
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| tsufiev | and it's for JS ;) | 08:16 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | sorry I'm late and probably have missed the meeting | 08:18 |
| robcresswell | I don't there is any immediate plan to use any other API handling right now | 08:18 |
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| robcresswell | There's a bunch of risk in swapping, and its just not really a huge issue for us right now | 08:19 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, o/ | 08:19 |
| robcresswell | The way it works isn't ideal, but its just far from top priority :) | 08:19 |
| robcresswell | hey r1chardj0n3s | 08:19 |
| robcresswell | Any other discussion points? | 08:21 |
| wangbo | yes, openstack-sdk seems can not cover all functions what horizon need now | 08:21 |
| robcresswell | think thats it for now, tsufiev we can bring up your points again in the evening meeting if you're around :) | 08:23 |
| robcresswell | thanks all | 08:23 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, sure | 08:23 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 08:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 8 08:23:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-06-08-08.00.html | 08:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-06-08-08.00.txt | 08:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-06-08-08.00.log.html | 08:23 |
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| claudiub | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 8 13:00:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is claudiub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:01 |
| claudiub | sorry for the delayed start, time flies. :) | 13:01 |
| claudiub | hellou :) | 13:01 |
| abalutoiu | o/ | 13:01 |
| lpetrut | Hi | 13:01 |
| sagar_nikam | hi | 13:01 |
| kvinod | hi | 13:01 |
| itoader | Hi | 13:01 |
| atuvenie | hello all | 13:02 |
| claudiub | so, this meeting will probably be shorter. The activity log is shorter this time around, we had to attend the OpenStack CEE Day in Budapest. | 13:02 |
| claudiub | and that consumed a few days. :) | 13:02 |
| claudiub | #topic monasca patches | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "monasca patches (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:02 | |
| claudiub | no new patch was sent. primarely replying to comments. no patch merged yet. bp still approved. | 13:03 |
| claudiub | received a bunch of comments last night, didn't get to reply to all of them. | 13:03 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:03 |
| sagar_nikam | all 14 patches reviewed ? | 13:03 |
| claudiub | yep | 13:03 |
| sagar_nikam | nice | 13:03 |
| claudiub | I'll have to adjust the code a little bit, basically. | 13:04 |
| claudiub | anyways. next topic. | 13:04 |
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| domi007 | hi all, sorry for being late :) | 13:04 |
| claudiub | #topic networking-hyperv bugs | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "networking-hyperv bugs (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:04 | |
| claudiub | hi domi007. :) | 13:04 |
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| claudiub | so this should be ready to merge: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322068/ | 13:05 |
| claudiub | so, atuvenie, lpetrut, pls review. | 13:05 |
| claudiub | even the ci passed. | 13:05 |
| kvinod | Yes we can merge this | 13:06 |
| claudiub | thanks for the contribution. :) | 13:06 |
| kvinod | wanted to know thoughts on this | 13:06 |
| claudiub | yep, +2'd | 13:06 |
| kvinod | https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-hyperv/+bug/1586354 | 13:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586354 in networking-hyperv "Intermittent Issue seen --Associating a vm from one security group (having tcp rule) to another security group(not having tcp rule) does not stop ssh from happening" [Undecided,New] | 13:06 |
| kvinod | thanks for +2 | 13:06 |
| claudiub | kvinod: hm, seems I've missed this. | 13:07 |
| kvinod | We donot have much in out hand to fix it | 13:07 |
| claudiub | kvinod: oh, so basically, you're changing a neutron port's security group, am I right? | 13:08 |
| kvinod | it seems to be windows underlay issue | 13:08 |
| kvinod | yes | 13:08 |
| kvinod | right | 13:08 |
| claudiub | kvinod: hm, interesting. haven't tried something like this before. I am curios about it. | 13:08 |
| kvinod | any help on this will be good | 13:08 |
| claudiub | kvinod: do you have any logs laying around? | 13:08 |
| kvinod | ok | 13:08 |
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| kvinod | I have posted a query on http://ask.cloudbase.it/question/1233/hyperv-security-groups-update-does-not-work-correctly/ | 13:09 |
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| kvinod | I will ask my team if they have it | 13:09 |
| kvinod | Will share it in case available | 13:10 |
| domi007 | it feels like the bug reporter's default hyperv firewall setting is off for some reason, so the machine gets all the traffic | 13:10 |
| kvinod | domi007: are you talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-hyperv/+bug/1586354 | 13:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586354 in networking-hyperv "Intermittent Issue seen --Associating a vm from one security group (having tcp rule) to another security group(not having tcp rule) does not stop ssh from happening" [Undecided,New] | 13:11 |
| claudiub | kvinod: sure, thanks. will try it as well. | 13:11 |
| claudiub | domi007: yeah, I was thinking the same, but it does say in the bug report that it's intermittent. | 13:11 |
| kvinod | ok fine, if you get to know something please do share | 13:11 |
| claudiub | will do | 13:11 |
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| kvinod | thanks claudiub | 13:12 |
| kvinod | There is one more bug | 13:12 |
| claudiub | as for this one, I wasn't able to reproduce it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-hyperv/+bug/1583541 | 13:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1583541 in networking-hyperv "Hyper-V neutron agent hangs on nova boot (with enable_security_group=true)" [Undecided,New] | 13:12 |
| alexpilotti | hello folks | 13:12 |
| kvinod | s://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-hyperv/+bug/1583541 | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam | hi alexpilotti: | 13:13 |
| kvinod | https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-hyperv/+bug/1583541 | 13:13 |
| kvinod | this was found as part of our scale test with SG enabled | 13:13 |
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| claudiub | kvinod: yep. I followed the steps described in the bug report, but it didn't happen | 13:13 |
| alexpilotti | kvinod: does it happen everytime you start it? | 13:14 |
| kvinod | Monkey patching all modules fixes the issue | 13:14 |
| domi007 | could you guys also include what release you are running? there qas quite an overhaul of the firewall part between liberty and mitaka | 13:14 |
| kvinod | yes that was seen everytime when we run scale | 13:14 |
| claudiub | I've tried it on newton. bug report says it's reproducable on newton as well. | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | domi007: we are on liberty | 13:15 |
| kvinod | I saw that happening/reproduced on devstack also | 13:15 |
| kvinod | but that was only once | 13:15 |
| kvinod | mostly in scale it happens always | 13:15 |
| kvinod | my devstack was on mitaka | 13:15 |
| domi007 | claudiub: I read the bugreport but found no mention of newton :) but it's your table, so nevermind | 13:16 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: claudiub: we are running scale tests often now and finding some issues, one of them is what is getting discussed now | 13:16 |
| claudiub | domi007: there's a comment saying: "Should be reproducible on Hyper-V latest also." | 13:16 |
| domi007 | oh sorry, I had still the previous bug opened :) | 13:17 |
| kvinod | claudiub : I saw that on devstak mitaka once of which I uploaded the traces and logs. There was not much difference in mitaka and master, so I said should be reproducible on master also | 13:18 |
| alexpilotti | sagar_nikam: I mean, if we trt to repro it, does it happen everytime? | 13:19 |
| claudiub | kvinod: well, monkey patching works because then the agent will only work with greenthreads and there's no locking there. but using greenthreads instead of native threads will impact the performance negatively. | 13:19 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: as mentioned by kvinod: it is intermittent | 13:19 |
| claudiub | kvinod: so, if there's a deadlock somewhere, the best solution is to find it and solve it. | 13:20 |
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| kvinod | alexpilotti: there are two different issue | 13:20 |
| kvinod | https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-hyperv/+bug/1586354 | 13:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586354 in networking-hyperv "Intermittent Issue seen --Associating a vm from one security group (having tcp rule) to another security group(not having tcp rule) does not stop ssh from happening" [Undecided,New] | 13:20 |
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| kvinod | and | 13:20 |
| kvinod | https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-hyperv/+bug/1586354 | 13:21 |
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| kvinod | sorry https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-hyperv/+bug/1583541 | 13:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1583541 in networking-hyperv "Hyper-V neutron agent hangs on nova boot (with enable_security_group=true)" [Undecided,New] | 13:22 |
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| kvinod | so monkey patching is for https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-hyperv/+bug/1583541 | 13:22 |
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| kvinod | and intermittent seen issue is https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-hyperv/+bug/1586354 | 13:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586354 in networking-hyperv "Intermittent Issue seen --Associating a vm from one security group (having tcp rule) to another security group(not having tcp rule) does not stop ssh from happening" [Undecided,New] | 13:23 |
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| alexpilotti | kvinod: we need clear steps that we can run to reproduce | 13:24 |
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| kvinod | for which one, I think for both bugs we have captured the steps | 13:25 |
| alexpilotti | otherwise if they dont show up during our scale tests (Rally) it becomes impossible to isolate them | 13:25 |
| alexpilotti | unlike you guys can give us access to your env | 13:25 |
| kvinod | in case you need more info I will be happy to share it | 13:25 |
| claudiub | kvinod: at the very least, can you share the rally scenario you're using? | 13:26 |
| kvinod | our environment is not rally based | 13:27 |
| claudiub | how are you doing scale tests? | 13:27 |
| kvinod | we have some shell scripts which does the operation | 13:27 |
| kvinod | in a scale environment | 13:27 |
| claudiub | hm, you should really give rally a shot. it's actually very nice. | 13:28 |
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| claudiub | at the very least, the output is very useful. | 13:28 |
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| kvinod | sure lets see when we plans for this | 13:29 |
| kvinod | i mean rally | 13:29 |
| claudiub | anyways. I'll try to reproduce it on mitaka as well, but I'm a bit skeptic that I can encounter the issue by following the described steps. | 13:30 |
| kvinod | I would say on your setup you can give a try by applying this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321452/ | 13:30 |
| sagar_nikam | alexpilotti: claudiub: we will speak to scale team and check the feasibility of using rally. for now if we let you know the steps to reproduce, is it sufficient ? | 13:30 |
| kvinod | sagar_nikam: steps are already there for https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-hyperv/+bug/1583541 | 13:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1583541 in networking-hyperv "Hyper-V neutron agent hangs on nova boot (with enable_security_group=true)" [Undecided,New] | 13:31 |
| sagar_nikam | kvinod: thanks | 13:31 |
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| kvinod | probably if more info required for bug 1586354 | 13:32 |
| openstack | bug 1586354 in networking-hyperv "Intermittent Issue seen --Associating a vm from one security group (having tcp rule) to another security group(not having tcp rule) does not stop ssh from happening" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1586354 | 13:32 |
| kvinod | we can share it | 13:32 |
| claudiub | kvinod: yeah, that will cause the threading module to be monkey patched. If that happens, you can't have native threads. :) which means poorer performance. | 13:32 |
| kvinod | ok | 13:33 |
| claudiub | anyways. a pip freeze and the neutron-hyperv-agent logs might be useful. | 13:33 |
| kvinod | with monkeypatch, enhanced RPC and pyMi together | 13:33 |
| claudiub | and the neutron-hyperv-agent's conf file. | 13:33 |
| kvinod | we were easily able to boot 1000VMs in 22 node compute environment with Network node HA | 13:34 |
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| abalutoiu | kvinod: I have a curiosity, how do you make sure that the VM is created with error state? | 13:35 |
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| kvinod | abalutoiu: when I recreated the issue on devstak i stopped neutron agent such that VM goes into error state | 13:37 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: i also have a scale issue to discuss, once we are done with this | 13:37 |
| kvinod | and booted the VM | 13:37 |
| kvinod | on devstack even though I hit the issue once I was not able to recreate again | 13:38 |
| kvinod | but in scale its very easy to recreate | 13:38 |
| abalutoiu | can you share with us more details about what your scale tests are doing? | 13:39 |
| kvinod | you just have to ensure that a compute that does not has any VM booted receives provider rule update | 13:39 |
| kvinod | abalutoiu: I will share the details | 13:40 |
| kvinod | on what we are doing as part of scale test | 13:41 |
| abalutoiu | kvinod: thanks | 13:42 |
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| claudiub | ok, so, we're waiting for more details on this. | 13:42 |
| claudiub | #topic nova resource tracking | 13:42 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: I think this is what you wanted, right? | 13:43 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: yes | 13:43 |
| sagar_nikam | we are hitting a issue in scale tests | 13:43 |
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| sagar_nikam | i sent you the screen shot as well as logs | 13:43 |
| claudiub | ok, so. let me explain a little bit how resource tracking works on nova. :) | 13:43 |
| sagar_nikam | on the hyperv host, we have only 1.5 GB RAM | 13:43 |
| sagar_nikam | free | 13:43 |
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| claudiub | so, the drivers do report their actual memory, disk, cpu consumption, but the nova resource tracker only logs those values and reports to the scheduler only the 'ideal' values. | 13:44 |
| sagar_nikam | whereas i see that nova-compute sends it as some 9gb free | 13:44 |
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| sagar_nikam | now what is happening is, scheduler thinks there is more memory and schedules a instance t it | 13:45 |
| sagar_nikam | nova start fails | 13:45 |
| sagar_nikam | since no memory available | 13:45 |
| claudiub | basically, the resource tracker will iterate over all the instances on that host, and calculates the memory consumption / disk usage that host should have. | 13:45 |
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| sagar_nikam | you mean this is a issue with resource tracker ? | 13:46 |
| sagar_nikam | we are not finding this issue on KVM | 13:46 |
| claudiub | nova doesn't really call it an "issue". | 13:46 |
| sagar_nikam | but then ... nova boot fails | 13:47 |
| claudiub | i know. | 13:47 |
| sagar_nikam | since the host does not have the memory | 13:47 |
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| claudiub | so, the resource tracker doesn't take into account the host memory or disk necesities. | 13:47 |
| sagar_nikam | does this mean this is the same behavior for KVM and VMWare as well ? | 13:47 |
| claudiub | but you do have some config options to help on this | 13:47 |
| sagar_nikam | dynamic_memory ? | 13:48 |
| sagar_nikam | or something else | 13:48 |
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| sagar_nikam | what are those config options ? | 13:48 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: I don't really remember the names, and they've been moved from where they were. | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | we will try to check it | 13:50 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/stable/mitaka/nova/compute/resource_tracker.py#L45 | 13:50 |
| sagar_nikam | in case anybody from your team finds it, please do let us know | 13:50 |
| claudiub | reserved_host_disk_mb and reserved_host_memory_mb | 13:50 |
| sagar_nikam | ok, i think we have set these values on the host | 13:51 |
| sagar_nikam | but i will confirm with scale team again | 13:51 |
| claudiub | basically, those are the values the resource tracker considers as "reserved for the host" | 13:51 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:51 |
| claudiub | so, a host does have its memory and disk usages as well. | 13:52 |
| sagar_nikam | we will try and see how it works | 13:52 |
| sagar_nikam | thanks for the info | 13:52 |
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| claudiub | np. | 13:52 |
| sagar_nikam | one more topic from me | 13:52 |
| sagar_nikam | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/newton/approved/convert-consoles-to-objects.html | 13:52 |
| claudiub | you can also see in the nova-compute logs the "Hypervisor resource view" and the "Final resource tracker view", or something like that. | 13:52 |
| sagar_nikam | we saw the final resource view | 13:53 |
| claudiub | #topic open discussion | 13:53 |
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| sagar_nikam | and that is what is reportin 9gb free | 13:53 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: yep. | 13:53 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:53 |
| sagar_nikam | now | 13:53 |
| sagar_nikam | have you seen this BP | 13:53 |
| sagar_nikam | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/newton/approved/convert-consoles-to-objects.html | 13:53 |
| sagar_nikam | it is worked on by team mate paul murray | 13:53 |
| claudiub | i am not very familiar with it. | 13:53 |
| kvinod | claudiub: any update on windows ovs logo certification | 13:53 |
| domi007 | I just wanted to say it was great seeing some of you in Budapest. atuvenie please let me know if you have the installer for liberty with ovs WMI security groups. Also please let us know if FreeRDP is updated :) | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | this may impact nova consoles for hyperv using freerdp | 13:54 |
| c64cosmin | domi007: yes we have a new version | 13:54 |
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| atuvenie | domi007: sure domi, I'll leave you all the details on skype | 13:54 |
| c64cosmin | https://cloudbase.it/downloads/FreeRDPWebConnect_Beta.msi | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: c64cosmin: please check if that BP affects freerdp | 13:54 |
| c64cosmin | https://cloudbase.it/downloads/FreeRDPWebConnect_Beta.zip | 13:54 |
| domi007 | cool :) thank you for both of you! | 13:54 |
| c64cosmin | it's x64 now | 13:55 |
| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: can this be available in stable release as well | 13:55 |
| sagar_nikam | our QA picks up from stable release | 13:55 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: I will read the spec, but from what I can briefly read, it shouldn't. It will just standardize / object-ify some items related to remote consoles. | 13:55 |
| c64cosmin | sagar_nikam: not yet | 13:55 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: it shouldn't change the behaviour. | 13:56 |
| claudiub | but, I'll read it in more detail. | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: i think UUID needs to be passed in the URL | 13:56 |
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| sagar_nikam | atleast that change is required | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam | may be you can chat with paul murray ? | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam | he can provide more info | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: when is it planned for stable ? | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam | also keystrokes issue fixed ? | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam | what we discussed in last IRC meeting | 13:57 |
| c64cosmin | sagar_nikam: inside Horizon right? | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam | yes | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam | does not work ... i have hit it many times | 13:58 |
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| c64cosmin | sagar_nikam: I have not encountered those | 13:58 |
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| claudiub | domi007: yeah, thanks for saying hello in Budapest. :) I don't think we met there though. | 13:58 |
| kvinod | claudiub: any update on windows logo certification for ovs. When is it planned. | 13:58 |
| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: we hit it many times | 13:58 |
| c64cosmin | sagar_nikam: but to be sure I will make such that when entering the console, the key state is reset | 13:58 |
| c64cosmin | maybe there is some RDP command to that one | 13:59 |
| c64cosmin | not sure | 13:59 |
| claudiub | kvinod: It's still underway. I guess it takes a while. :( | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam | maybe i will pick the latest MSI whenever it is available in stable and test and check it | 13:59 |
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| c64cosmin | usually happens when a key press is sent but not the key release | 13:59 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: sure, I'll ask him. He's a nice guy. :) | 13:59 |
| kvinod | claudiub: ok thanks | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: thanks | 13:59 |
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| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: next debian is planned or it requires some more time ? | 14:00 |
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| c64cosmin | sagar_nikam: I will have an incoming PR, and will leave after that passes and is merged | 14:00 |
| c64cosmin | I still need to do some tests | 14:00 |
| claudiub | I think we'll have to end it here. Other people will get upset otherwise. :) We can continue for a bit on #openstack-hyper-v if needed. | 14:00 |
| c64cosmin | also make sure it works well with mitaka | 14:00 |
| sagar_nikam | sure, lets continue there | 14:01 |
| sagar_nikam | i will join | 14:01 |
| claudiub | so, thanks folks for joining!. :) | 14:01 |
| claudiub | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 8 14:01:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-06-08-13.00.html | 14:01 |
| c64cosmin | bye everytone | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-06-08-13.00.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-06-08-13.00.log.html | 14:01 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 8 15:00:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| koji | o/ | 15:00 |
| Kamil__ | o/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:00 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:00 |
| arturbasiak | o/ | 15:00 |
| tomasztrebski | o/ | 15:00 |
| hosanai | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday June 8, 2016 (15:00 UTC) | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1.Mid-cycle planning | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 2.Summit proposals | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 3.Reviews | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286281/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 2.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319887/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 3.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325226/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 4.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254643 | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 4.Self-monitoring for log-api => https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327000/ | 15:01 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:01 |
| tsv | 0/ | 15:01 |
| thatsdone | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | hi everyone, this is monasca | 15:01 |
| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 15:01 |
| slogan | o/ | 15:01 |
| ericksonsantos | \o | 15:01 |
| tgraichen | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | i've posted the agenda | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | i think we should get through some logistical issues first, then cover the reviews and other topics | 15:02 |
| iurygregory | o/ | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | #topic mid-cycle planning | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mid-cycle planning (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:02 | |
| tomasztrebski | instantly I remembered the pit scene in 300... 'this is monascaaaa' :D | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | tomasztrebski: i was hoping someone would get it | 15:02 |
| arturbasiak | :D | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | so, we decided to do a remote mid-cycle | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | what we need to decide is the week, days and time | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | also, i said i would split the time to take care of folks in other time-zones | 15:03 |
| fabiog | o/ | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | so, they don't have to pull 2 or 3 all nighters in a row | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | fabiog: should we create yet another doodle to vote on the week | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | days and times | 15:04 |
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| fabiog | sure we can, but if everybody can attend the week we selected for SJC, then we can run sessions in the morning | 15:05 |
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| rhochmuth | so, is the SJC week a problem for anyone? | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | i don't have the days | 15:06 |
| bklei | we'd said 7/19 and 7/20 | 15:06 |
| bklei | for SJC | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | that works for me | 15:06 |
| bklei | ditto | 15:06 |
| fabiog | bklei: yes those were the dates | 15:06 |
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| fabiog | we could have sessions in the morning | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | then, do we want to split the times | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | i'm just trying to accomdate folks in different timezones better | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | or do we want to just tough it out for two days | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | at the same time | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | this is monascaaaa | 15:08 |
| slogan | probably no good answer, pick one :-) | 15:08 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: if you want to accomodate Japan and Europe I think only early morning Pacific would do it | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | is that really the best time overall then | 15:09 |
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| bklei | works for me -- any objections? | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | i'm more worried about folks in europe and japan | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | are you ok with the proposal | 15:10 |
| hosanai | i'm checking our local time (early morning Pacific) | 15:11 |
| koji | what time will it start on your time? | 15:11 |
| tgraichen | dates should be fine and early morning pacific would be best for us europeans :) | 15:12 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | 7 or 8 AM PST, i believe | 15:12 |
| shinya_kwbt | Any time OK for me. Because I will be off to go company :-) | 15:13 |
| koji | thank you, that's good for me | 15:13 |
| hosanai | it's works for me! | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | ok, thanks, let's move on, but if anyone has any issues, please let me know | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | sounds like it is going to work out | 15:13 |
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| rhochmuth | fabiog: are we going to use your webex again? | 15:14 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: yes | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | fabiog: thx! | 15:15 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: np | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | we'll do somethign similar to the last one with announcments, etherpad, … | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | #topic: summit proposals | 15:15 |
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| fabiog | rhochmuth: should be do 7am to noon PDT for the two days? | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | sounds good | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | i just wanted to let folks know that session proposals for the barcelona summit are open | 15:16 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: I will set-up the webex later today and post it in the mailing list | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | fabiog: thx | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | i believe the summit proposal session closes around mid july, but just check on dates to be sure and if you are planning on proposing anything | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | good summit to possibly watch messi play | 15:17 |
| hosanai | oh, nice :-) | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | so, are there any other logistic topics, before we get into reviews | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | any noteworthy items to note | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | maybe just a reminder, but there are still a lot of reviews in progress | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | the hpe team is doing more than our fair share of them | 15:19 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic reviews | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:20 | |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286281/ | 15:20 |
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| bklei | that's me -- been sitting a while | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | i reviewed this morning, everything seems to be fine | 15:21 |
| bklei | yeah -- should be benign | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | yes, there are a lot of reviews sitting for a while | 15:21 |
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| bklei | i guess anyone object to merging ^^? | 15:21 |
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| rhochmuth | i +1'd that review, so i think it is ready for merging | 15:21 |
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| bklei | bueno | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | i agree it is a benigs growth | 15:22 |
| bklei | :) | 15:22 |
| bklei | have to wait for the lab results | 15:22 |
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| rhochmuth | yes, hopefully the proctologist will concur | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | took me a while to come up with that one | 15:23 |
| bklei | oh man | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | i hope you appreciate it | 15:23 |
| bklei | i do | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | so, i'll merge it | 15:24 |
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| rhochmuth | done | 15:24 |
| bklei | that analogy indicates pretty clearly where the code came from | 15:24 |
| bklei | thx | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | lol | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | this will be the crudest monasca meeting on record | 15:24 |
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| bklei | shaping up that way | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319887/ | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | i'm still catching up on this one | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | looks like no +1's yet | 15:25 |
| tomasztrebski | ah..ok :) | 15:25 |
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| tomasztrebski | it's been rebease recently, Artur's been testing this | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | ok, sounds good | 15:26 |
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| rhochmuth | so, a while ago i recall we had a discussion on if log messages dont' fit what shoudl happen | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | shoudl we return an error, or try to handle as many as possible | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | so, you end-up truncating | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | how will the client know that there is a problem | 15:27 |
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| tomasztrebski | truncated property is added to the log object | 15:27 |
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| tomasztrebski | so tenant will see which logs were truncated | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | so, if truncated, then do they get the offset on the number that were processesed/accepted | 15:28 |
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| tomasztrebski | I am not sure I follow | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | if the logs are truncated, and only some are accepted | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | can they get enough info to process the one's that weren't accepted | 15:29 |
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| rhochmuth | maybe i should have reviewed closer, so my questions are not correct | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | or they dont' make any sense | 15:30 |
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| tomasztrebski | I think that would depend on data user puts into log object, dimensions are one thing that can be added | 15:30 |
| tomasztrebski | another thing is message | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | so, you return truncated=true if message is truncated | 15:31 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm just wondering how the client can recover | 15:31 |
| tomasztrebski | yes that is added as a property to the log itself | 15:31 |
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| rhochmuth | it doesnt' look like there is an offset of the logs that were sent | 15:31 |
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| rhochmuth | so the client doesnt' know the logs that didn't make it | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | again, maybe silly questions do to lack of understanding | 15:32 |
| tomasztrebski | that depends on the case...truncating can means that there is either loop in logs or something was logged that sholdn't be logged | 15:32 |
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| tomasztrebski | anyway our use cases estimate large log records | 15:32 |
| tsv | rhochmuth: i see value in your question. Would that be an issue for say audit logs ? would there be compliance concerns in truncating audit messages ? | 15:32 |
| tomasztrebski | don't ask me how, but I've been told 1 mb o.O | 15:32 |
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| tomasztrebski | there's no offset that client is sending, but I believe he could have done that and append it to log object | 15:33 |
| tomasztrebski | hower such log can be later on filtered in kibana and examined | 15:34 |
| tomasztrebski | for instance | 15:34 |
| tomasztrebski | or any other database for that matter | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | i guess my concern/question is that if you truncate and return true, other than notification to the client, is there any other recovery that can be done | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | any actions that the client can take to fix | 15:34 |
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| tomasztrebski | I've been thinking on returning processing result -> {ok: x, truncated: y, rejected: z, lost: w} | 15:35 |
| tomasztrebski | to the client | 15:35 |
| tomasztrebski | from v3 | 15:35 |
| tomasztrebski | but that is rather top level idea without any specifics right now | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i'll try and catch-up on this review today as well | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | and leave comments if any | 15:36 |
| tomasztrebski | will be happy to discuss that | 15:36 |
| tomasztrebski | :) | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | sounds good | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325226/ | 15:37 |
| tomasztrebski | yes, another one that we've been working with Artur in agent | 15:37 |
| tomasztrebski | I got only that, basically agent allows to pass on user that it will run under | 15:38 |
| tomasztrebski | that user's group is used during monasca-setup | 15:38 |
| tomasztrebski | but only group | 15:38 |
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| rhochmuth | sounds ok to me | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | will tag a couple from hpe to review | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | bklei: does that sound ok to you? | 15:39 |
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| bklei | sorry, looked away | 15:39 |
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| bklei | yeah, that should be ok for us | 15:40 |
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| rhochmuth | so, if we get you and someone else from hpe to +1, should get merged | 15:40 |
| tomasztrebski | thx | 15:41 |
| bklei | ok, will take a closer look | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254643 | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | oh no, not this one again:-) | 15:41 |
| tomasztrebski | that's old :D | 15:41 |
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| rhochmuth | it has only been in progress since dec 8th | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | i was checking on licensing | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | unfortunately, the individual doing the checking left | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | i reread the license | 15:42 |
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| rhochmuth | http://openjdk.java.net/legal/gplv2+ce.html | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | GNU General Public License, version 2, | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | with the Classpath Exception | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | "CLASSPATH" EXCEPTION TO THE GPL | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | Certain source files distributed by Oracle America and/or its affiliates are | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | subject to the following clarification and special exception to the GPL, but | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | only where Oracle has expressly included in the particular source file's header | 15:43 |
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| rhochmuth | the words "Oracle designates this particular file as subject to the "Classpath" | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | exception as provided by Oracle in the LICENSE file that accompanied this code." | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | Linking this library statically or dynamically with other modules is making | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | a combined work based on this library. Thus, the terms and conditions of | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | the GNU General Public License cover the whole combination. | 15:43 |
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| rhochmuth | As a special exception, the copyright holders of this library give you | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | permission to link this library with independent modules to produce an | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | executable, regardless of the license terms of these independent modules, | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | and to copy and distribute the resulting executable under terms of your | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | choice, provided that you also meet, for each linked independent module, | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | the terms and conditions of the license of that module. An independent | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | module is a module which is not derived from or based on this library. If | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | So, basically this type of license means that we would have to examine every source file to ensure that the CLASSPATH exception to the GPL has been added | 15:43 |
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| tomasztrebski | I am not an expert but that sounds like a lot of work | 15:44 |
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| rhochmuth | I know GPLv2 is not allowed in OpenStack | 15:45 |
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| rhochmuth | it also isn't allowed by HPE or usually any company building a distribution | 15:45 |
| tomasztrebski | I don't recall any issues with mail validation till now, so maybe it can be safely abandoned ? | 15:45 |
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| rhochmuth | so, the only way to take this is examine each source file | 15:46 |
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| jobrs | hi, I am the one who submitted this one | 15:46 |
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| jobrs | so there are problems with the validation (see description) | 15:46 |
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| rhochmuth | jobrs: is there another library or another way to resolve this | 15:47 |
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| rhochmuth | based on the above, hopefully the concerns are reasonable | 15:47 |
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| rhochmuth | or understood | 15:47 |
| jobrs | but there is not just GPLv2, there is also CDDL | 15:48 |
| jobrs | there is another way: use the python api implementation | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | yeah, i know, and oracle says | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | GNU General Public License, version 2, | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | with the Classpath Exception | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | 9:43 | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | "CLASSPATH" EXCEPTION TO THE GPL | 15:48 |
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| jobrs | but it supports only a single kafka node | 15:49 |
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| rhochmuth | so, the only way to know if the CLASSPATH exception is applicable is to look at each source file for a disclaimer that was put there by Oracle | 15:49 |
| jobrs | good point, so goodbye merge | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | unfortunately, it looks that way | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | i think examining source is an option | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | but painful one | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | and then Oracle is the only company that woudl be allowed to add that exception | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | so if someone else decided to add the exception, that would not be considered acceptable either | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | it is a mess | 15:50 |
| fabiog | rhochmuth: we should stay away from GPL in general, Apache and MIT licenses are friendly | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | if there is another library to look at it i would like to see the change addressed | 15:51 |
| jobrs | where is the Python API heading? can we expect support for multiple ZK/Kafka nodes soon? | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | as far as i know, multiple zk/kafka nodes are supported | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | what are you missing? | 15:51 |
| jobrs | is think there is only a single-valued uri attribute in the config | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | tomasz: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327000/ | 15:53 |
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| tomasztrebski | yes, that's something new I had in mind for couple of months, just recently found time to work on it | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | jobrs: that sounds like an oversight | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | if it isn't supported | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | jobrs: do you have time to resolve | 15:54 |
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| rhochmuth | basically if kafka node 1 is down in a cluster of 3, you want the client to switch to another node? | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | tomasztrebski: looks good | 15:55 |
| jobrs | yes, like in the java implementation where the configuration field holds a list of values | 15:55 |
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| rhochmuth | jobrs: i guess we didn't add that | 15:56 |
| tomasztrebski | in python you can pass list of IPS that points to your nodes (comma delimited) | 15:56 |
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| tomasztrebski | internally kafka-python resolves that string into list of hosts | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | maybe we did add it? | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | sorry, havent' been in that code for a while | 15:57 |
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| tomasztrebski | we've been using 3 nodes kafka/zookeeper setup and that is how ips of those nodes were passed to configuration | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | tomasz: basically you are adding support for statsd to the log api, right? | 15:57 |
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| tomasztrebski | roland: yes, easiest and quickest way to post metrics from log processing into metric database | 15:58 |
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| rhochmuth | tomasz: looks good, i'll start reviewing is my canned response these days | 15:58 |
| jobrs | ok, I will double check. the persister seems to support it. | 15:58 |
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| rhochmuth | but in general, it looks like the right approach | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | tomasz: so it sounds like you are saying the the python code already supports a kafka/zk cluster? | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | back to the other conversation | 15:59 |
| jobrs | switching to statsd - I created some stated-instrumentation for the python-persister. I could submit it for review if there is interest | 15:59 |
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| tomasztrebski | If i understand what is kafka/zookeeper cluster - yes it does | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | so, e're going to have to wrap-up | 16:00 |
| tomasztrebski | here's the code I mentioned => https://github.com/dpkp/kafka-python/blob/644a1141b0dd22e618277afe7b171b2f3fb8ca2d/kafka/conn.py#L718 | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | i'll head over to #openstack-moansca for follow-up | 16:00 |
| tomasztrebski | for resolving hosts for kafka connection | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 8 16:00:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-06-08-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-06-08-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
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| rhochmuth | that was harsh | 16:00 |
| rhochmuth | bye | 16:00 |
| Kamil__ | bye | 16:00 |
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| tomasztrebski | bye | 16:00 |
| slogan | later | 16:00 |
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| markvoelker | #startmeeting defcore | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 8 16:01:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markvoelker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:01 |
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| markvoelker | o/ | 16:01 |
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| shamail | hi everyone | 16:01 |
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| catherineD|2 | o/ | 16:01 |
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| Brunssen | O/ | 16:01 |
| * markvoelker notes that the crowed may be a little thin today as hogepodge is at OpenStack Day Prague and eglute is out of the office | 16:01 | |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreLunar.6 today's agenda | 16:02 |
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| markvoelker | Without further ado, let's jump in... | 16:02 |
| dwalleck | o/ | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | #topic Many patches landed last week! Please continue to keep an eye on the queue | 16:02 |
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| markvoelker | Last week we managed to land a lot of patches that have been waiting for a while | 16:03 |
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| markvoelker | I also cleaned out a few stale ones that have been languishing with no new patchsets for months, so the queue should be in better shape | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | There are definitely a few that could still use some action though | 16:04 |
| markvoelker | I highlighted three in the etherpad: | 16:04 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310582/ < mostly markvoelker and hogepodge talking here, could use some more eyeballs | 16:04 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 16:04 |
| catherineD|2 | markvoelker: I just add one more to the three for question | 16:04 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324892/ < has been discussed a few times, needs a few actual reviews to move forward | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310621/ < fairly large change to schema, needs input (particularly from refstack-savvy folks) | 16:05 |
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| markvoelker | Any questions on those before we get to catherineDl2's patch? | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | hearing none.... | 16:06 |
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| markvoelker | #action everyone please review patches in the queue | 16:06 |
| shamail | will do. | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | And now to catherineDl2's patch: | 16:07 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300608/ | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | catherineDl2, the floow is yours | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | *floor | 16:07 |
| catherineD|2 | thx | 16:07 |
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| catherineD|2 | question is do we want to flag test in advisory or just required section? | 16:08 |
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| gema | o/ | 16:08 |
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| markvoelker | I think we discussed last week about signaling intent...e.g. it would be good to flag in advisory to let folks know there's an issue with the tests. | 16:09 |
| catherineD|2 | markvoelker: ok thx | 16:09 |
| markvoelker | Hmm...oh, this is the one about extended port attributes, right? | 16:09 |
| Rockyg | If we flag it in advisory, it broadcasts that the test needs to be refactored to make it into an approved guideline | 16:10 |
| markvoelker | E.g. the one where the problem isn't the test, but the basic fact that those capabilities are only typically exposd to admins | 16:10 |
| Rockyg | Then, any vendor who thinks that test is important might put resources on fixing it. | 16:10 |
| markvoelker | Rockyg: yeah, I think it's fine to add flags for tests that need refactoring even if those Capabilities are advisory | 16:11 |
| markvoelker | But this case is a little different | 16:11 |
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| catherineD|2 | actually tests themself can not be in advisory of required ... it is the capability that are in advisory or required | 16:11 |
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| Rockyg | yup. saw that when you pointed out which one it is. | 16:11 |
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| markvoelker | Ok. So since this is already a Board-approved doc, let's do flags since that doesn't require another round-trip to the Board. I think we already removed these in next.json, right? | 16:12 |
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| Rockyg | cool. good call | 16:12 |
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| * markvoelker looks | 16:13 | |
| catherineD|2 | markvoelker: yes | 16:13 |
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| markvoelker | Ah, yes...or rather, there's a patch open for that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324892/ | 16:14 |
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| markvoelker | I'm already +2 on both of those, so if the rest of you fine folks could give them a look, I think we can move those through fairly quickly. | 16:15 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, anything else on these patches? | 16:15 |
| catherineD|2 | markvoelker: I am good... thx | 16:15 |
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| markvoelker | Ok then, moving right along... | 16:16 |
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| markvoelker | #topic Rename Working Group | 16:16 |
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| markvoelker | We've discussed this one a couple of times after the last Board meeting and I had an AI to generate an initial patchset so we could see the scope of the changes and confirm a name | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | I posted a first pass at that: | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327086/ First pass at rename | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | There are probably a few things missing from that yet, but should give you a general feel for doc changes | 16:17 |
| dwalleck | sounds reasonable | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | I also listed out a few other things we need to do in the commit message | 16:17 |
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| markvoelker | So if folks could have a look, we'll continue to iterate | 16:18 |
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| markvoelker | (although: if you have limited review bandwidth this week, the other patches are probably more imporant) | 16:18 |
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| gema | markvoelker: that's a pretty good AI, are you sure humans weren't involved? | 16:19 |
| gema | :D | 16:19 |
| Rockyg | gotten through the commit message so far.... | 16:19 |
| catherineD|2 | markvoelker: will review | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | One of the questions that came up when we discussed the name "Interoperability Working Group" was whether that might cause some confusion with the UC-governed WG's | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | gema: =p | 16:19 |
| shamail | Hi markvoelker, there was some confusion on my part at the last meeting. I thought we were intending to move to being an actual WG (non-board appointed/governed) rather just renaming ourselves to include WG in the name. I agree that in the latter case, we do not need to take any steps that would put this WG under UC governance. | 16:19 |
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| markvoelker | shamail: cool. Is anyone concerned that calling it a WG might cause confusion? | 16:20 |
| VanL | I don't think that we can divorce ourselves from the board, and I don't think we should. | 16:20 |
| shamail | Historically, board governed entities have included committee vs WG in the name… however there is no hard and fast rule here to my knowledge (API WG falls under TC, Product WG falls under UC, etc.) | 16:21 |
| Rockyg | VanL, ++ | 16:21 |
| VanL | 1) Per the original bylaws, trademark is a board/foundation responsibility. Defcore (by whatever name) is the way by which the trademark is administered | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | VanL: +1. And this rename won't do that, but since other WG's are governed by the UC there was a small concern that we might generate some confusion. | 16:21 |
| shamail | VanL: +1 | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | (personally I don't think this is much of a problem, but I'm open to hearing concerns about it) | 16:21 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. I'm not sure wg is quite right. It does have a slightly different meaning/focus | 16:22 |
| VanL | markvoelker: I think the fact that it opened up to the questions indicates there is latent ambiguity. | 16:22 |
| catherineD|2 | It is confusing if the term WG can be under TC or UC | 16:22 |
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| Rockyg | also WG is often not permanent, but to fix specific issue(s) | 16:23 |
| VanL | I don't actually mind focusing on "interop" vs "defcore". But the full name should reflect the fact that this is a board committee. | 16:23 |
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| shamail | VanL: +1 | 16:23 |
| shamail | Was “WG” a part of the name change recommendation or would Interoperability Committee also suffice? | 16:23 |
| VanL | Finally, I think there are bigger issues than what color the bikeshed should be named^H^H^H^H^H^H painted | 16:23 |
| Rockyg | yeah. committee or "program" | 16:23 |
| shamail | VanL: rofl | 16:24 |
| VanL | I understand this is being responsive to discussions at the board meeting. | 16:24 |
| VanL | I still think it is pretty far down the priority list | 16:24 |
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| markvoelker | VanL: =) Correct, this really came up because of the discussion from the Board meeting in Austin. | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | The patchset was pretty easy to put together to foster discussion, but there's no particular urgency here (hence my note above about the rest of the queue) | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | shamail: WG was suggested at the Board meeting and came up in the very informal straw poll we took later, so I used that in the initial patchset to generate discussion...which we're now having. =) | 16:26 |
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| Rockyg | So, I think we all agree on the interoperability and we can mull the rest. Might be worthwhile posting a question/discussion starter on the board ml. | 16:26 |
| shamail | markvoelker: got it, thanks. I know in the past the board asked Diversity to use WG instead of committee specifcially because they didn’t feel it had to be led by a board member. | 16:27 |
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| shamail | Rockyg: +1 | 16:27 |
| shamail | I think we all agree with the name in general. | 16:27 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, so if folks have feelings about the name, I'll suggest that they make some comments on the patchset in gerrit and we can take the discussion there for now | 16:27 |
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| markvoelker | There is a Board meeting coming up at the end of the month, and we can give them a heads-up about the ongoing discussion then if folks would like. | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | Ok, anything else on this? Ready to move on? | 16:29 |
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| markvoelker | #topic Midcycle Meetup | 16:29 |
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| markvoelker | It's about that time again...last year we did a midcycle in July, so if we potentially want to do one again we need to get the ball rolling on planning | 16:30 |
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| markvoelker | So, quick straw poll: anyone interested in an in-person meetup (probably next month)? | 16:30 |
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| gema | definitely (are we being shy?) | 16:31 |
| * nikhil would like join at least remote | 16:31 | |
| dwalleck | o/ | 16:31 |
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| dwalleck | Just not out of country :-) | 16:32 |
| shamail | o/ | 16:32 |
| Rockyg | If we do, I'd like to focus on test specs, test standrds, gap analysis, etc. | 16:32 |
| gema | dwalleck: shame, I was going to suggest uk | 16:32 |
| catherineD|2 | need to get travel approval | 16:32 |
| gema | :D | 16:32 |
| shamail | (as long as it doesn’t conflict with my vacation) | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | VanL: catherineDl2: how about you guys? | 16:32 |
| gema | catherineD|2: me too | 16:32 |
| VanL | Yes | 16:32 |
| dwalleck | gema: I think QA is doing Germany :D | 16:32 |
| shamail | catherineD|2: I need approval to get the approval. :P | 16:32 |
| Rockyg | Might have to go to OS China Day | 16:32 |
| gema | dwalleck: sounds great | 16:32 |
| dwalleck | Though I'd love to travel to the UK! | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | OK. So sounds like tentative interest. So now we need a date and place. | 16:33 |
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| markvoelker | I'll send out a note to the ML this week to gauge interest in hosting and prospective dates. | 16:33 |
| Rockyg | I bet Huawei would host if it were out here. | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | If folks are interested in having their companies host, please check into arrangements and let me know | 16:34 |
| markvoelker | (and I'll add a note to that effect to the ML message) | 16:34 |
| gema | markvoelker: will do | 16:34 |
| Rockyg | how many were at the last one? | 16:34 |
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| VanL | 30ish? | 16:34 |
| Rockyg | Thanks! | 16:35 |
| Rockyg | Two days enough or more? | 16:35 |
| markvoelker | #action markvoelker send message to ML about midcycle planning | 16:36 |
| markvoelker | Rockyg: my gut feel is 2 days is probably sufficient, but it really depends on what we want to cover. | 16:36 |
| markvoelker | I'll start up an etherpad for that too | 16:36 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, anything further on midcycle planning for now? | 16:37 |
| Rockyg | gema, I haven't gotten to review your spec yet :( | 16:37 |
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| markvoelker | Moving on then... | 16:37 |
| markvoelker | #topic Test spec | 16:37 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317531/ Test spec draft | 16:38 |
| markvoelker | gema posted a new revision this morning, so please have a look and continue to comment | 16:38 |
| markvoelker | gema: welcome back. =) Anything in particular you want to discuss on this today? | 16:38 |
| gema | nothing, just let's keep the review going | 16:38 |
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| gema | see if we can get it there soonish :D | 16:39 |
| gema | I still feel it's too short | 16:39 |
| gema | :) | 16:39 |
| gema | but maybe less is more in this case | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | Concise isn't necessarily bad. =) | 16:39 |
| VanL | I had two ideas to bring up in relation to the spec. | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | VanL: go for it | 16:39 |
| Rockyg | Well, the age old question testers ask each other: What am I missing? | 16:40 |
| VanL | 1) Performance testing: I agree that it is out of bounds for now, but I think that it is an area that could be useful in the future. If an API works but takes 12 hrs to return, that is "broken" from the user/interop perspective. | 16:40 |
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| VanL | We don't have any tests about this now, and this is a wish list item for me. | 16:41 |
| VanL | But we have this on the explicit "not tested" list. | 16:41 |
| VanL | First set of questions: | 16:41 |
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| VanL | a) Do people agree about possible, eventual (1-2 years down the road) performance testing as something that is valuable? | 16:42 |
| gema | we could set a time limit in which the whole test suite needs to run | 16:42 |
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| gema | and make that part of the passing criteria | 16:42 |
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| VanL | b) Is this worth bringing up now - we could evaluate and change spec later | 16:42 |
| gema | generous but less than 12 hours kind of boundary | 16:42 |
| shamail | VanL: I agree… it’s not a performance test to benchmark relative performance but test against an absolute upper-bound to ensure responses arrive within a normal window of expectation. | 16:42 |
| VanL | (but answering myself on b), I think that we don't want to change expectations) | 16:43 |
| markvoelker | VanL: I think it's certainly worth discussing down the road. | 16:43 |
| VanL | So should line 30 be removed? | 16:43 |
| gema | VanL: no | 16:44 |
| gema | VanL: we can remove it when we actually cover that | 16:44 |
| markvoelker | VanL: I don't have a particularly strong opinion on removing line 30 just because I think that perf testing is far enough out that we'll have time to broadcast that change and adjust the spec accordingly | 16:44 |
| gema | VanL: I did put it there intentionally to make sure we revisit the spec | 16:44 |
| VanL | Or even more explicitly, placed in a "not tested now but we may test at some point in the future" | 16:44 |
| Rockyg | Well, those of us in at the beginning thought we would eventually get to some of the "ilities", especially performance minimums | 16:44 |
| VanL | I would strongly prefer not to set a base expectation | 16:44 |
| Rockyg | But whole test suite is too coarse. | 16:45 |
| VanL | That we are reasonably* likely to change within a product lifetime | 16:45 |
| VanL | *reasonably = 10% chance or greater? | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | I think there are a lot of things that could potentially be in scope later down the road, and I'm not sure we really want to try to list them all now. | 16:46 |
| gema | I still think it is asking for trouble to add performance targets to the interop spec | 16:46 |
| gema | because performance is HW dependant | 16:46 |
| catherineD|2 | gema: ++ | 16:46 |
| Rockyg | gema, ++ | 16:46 |
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| catherineD|2 | to me performance is the differentiator of the clouds | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | gema: yeah, if we go there it's going to need some careful thought, which is why it may be a ways out | 16:46 |
| gema | catherineD|2: absolutely | 16:47 |
| nikhil | I have a question to ask on this topic. | 16:47 |
| VanL | gema: True. But there are concrete deployments and recommended minimum standards. Put openstack on a pentium pro, it may not perform how you would like. | 16:47 |
| Rockyg | catherineD|2, but there have been clouds where it would take 1.5 to 2hrs to spin up a VM and the user was chareged as if it was up... | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | I wouldn't mind seeing a note to the effect of: "this specification may change over time" or "will be reviewed periodically" though | 16:47 |
| gema | VanL: so what? | 16:47 |
| gema | VanL: nobody is going to go to production on that | 16:47 |
| gema | VanL: and if they do, they'll have a bad cloud | 16:48 |
| shamail | markvoelker: +1, an overall disclaimer seems appropriate. | 16:48 |
| gema | markvoelker: +1 will add that | 16:48 |
| VanL | +1 on disclaimer | 16:48 |
| markvoelker | nikhil: sure, what's your ask? | 16:48 |
| gema | it's a life document | 16:48 |
| gema | live | 16:48 |
| gema | x) | 16:48 |
| nikhil | What is the scope or rather 'purpose' of this spec? | 16:49 |
| VanL | In general I am not suggesting we solve the perf testing issues now. Thats a ways off, if it ever lands at all. | 16:49 |
| nikhil | Specifically, I do not see a mention of the word 'branding'. | 16:49 |
| catherineD|2 | VanL: In my mind if an API works that means it interops... but if it takes 12 hours to come back it is still inerop (because it comes back) but it is the users' choice to select or not select this cloud | 16:49 |
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| gema | nikhil: we are trying to define what the tests that we use should look like to be used for interoperability | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | nikhil: essentially this is DefCore laying down it's thoughts about what makes a good interoperability test | 16:49 |
| gema | nikhil: some tests are just not good enough | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | nikhil: it helps to be able to point to something concrete when we, for example, go to QA and say "we really need to refactor this test and take out the admin credentials" | 16:50 |
| Rockyg | catherineD|2, if it takes 12 hrs to come back, most apps would have errored out already | 16:50 |
| VanL | nikhil: The brand is meant as a guarantee of interoperability. If the tests don't test that, then we need a change | 16:50 |
| Rockyg | automation assumes a certain level of performance, so it is interop, really | 16:50 |
| VanL | This is meant to have changes be principled | 16:51 |
| catherineD|2 | Rockyg: time to spin up an VM depending a lot on not just the env ... it would depending on the image itself .. it the image would rely on external entiries for initialization process is one of the example .. it really have too many factors | 16:51 |
| nikhil | VanL gema: markvoelker : thanks for clarifying that, I did see a lot of statements on interoperability. Looks like interop branding is implicit but it would be good to start it explicitly (my 2 cents) | 16:51 |
| nikhil | s/start/state/ | 16:51 |
| gema | nikhil: what would that mean for the doc, what kind of sentence? | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | nikhil: sure, your comments on the patch would be welcome | 16:51 |
| gema | yep, please add to the patch | 16:51 |
| shamail | VanL brought up to the topic of performance testing to gauge whether this might be something we are interested in revisiting for broader discussion in the future and it seems that there is interest in doing so. We should document the different points being raised right now and discuss them in depth later (when its time to revisit performance testing). | 16:51 |
| gema | I will update | 16:51 |
| nikhil | thanks, let me take that on the patch then. just wanted to get some clarification on the intent of this spec. | 16:52 |
| Rockyg | nikhil, the branding is the carrot to get folks to meet interop | 16:52 |
| VanL | +1 Nikhil; It may be a good idea to say "The purpose of all defcore tests is to put meaning behind the brand promise of openstack interoperability." | 16:52 |
| * shamail senses a midcycle topic | 16:52 | |
| Rockyg | So, they are separate but sort of related. | 16:52 |
| gema | I thought the purpose is to validate compliance | 16:52 |
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| Rockyg | gema, ++ | 16:52 |
| VanL | Compliance with what? => Compliance with the minimum interoperability guidlines | 16:53 |
| VanL | *guidelines | 16:53 |
| gema | with the guidelines | 16:53 |
| Rockyg | Compliance with the interop of stated capabilities | 16:53 |
| gema | VanL: sorry I was lost in the "put meaning behind the brand promise" | 16:53 |
| gema | didn't understand that bit :D | 16:53 |
| VanL | gema: Sorry, marketing/branding speak | 16:54 |
| * markvoelker glances at the clock and notes we're down to a few minutes remaining | 16:54 | |
| gema | VanL: no worries, I see what you mean | 16:54 |
| gema | VanL: please add a quick comment to gerrit | 16:54 |
| VanL | Ok, issue #2: | 16:54 |
| gema | will fix | 16:54 |
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| Rockyg | I think VanL's statement is for the branding/TM side, not the Defcore side of this. | 16:54 |
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| Rockyg | Keep marketing out of the spec, my thoughts | 16:54 |
| gema | Rockyg: ++ | 16:55 |
| Rockyg | moving on? | 16:55 |
| VanL | I think we should add to the spec something like: "Defcore is for ensuring a minimum foundation of interoperable functionality, and is not intended to place a ceiling on what additional functionality is provided by a vendor." | 16:55 |
| VanL | Thoughts? | 16:56 |
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| gema | VanL: it is meant to ensure interoperability between clouds | 16:56 |
| Rockyg | Not at all convinced. | 16:56 |
| gema | VanL: not convinced either | 16:56 |
| gema | VanL: depending on what the vendor adds, it may break compatibility | 16:57 |
| gema | VanL: or get people locked in | 16:57 |
| catherineD|2 | VanL: agree here ... to me that is the "core" part of "DefCore" | 16:57 |
| nikhil | I thought defcore was also about increasing specific type of adoption to maintain the standard way of adopting a functionality? | 16:57 |
| gema | nikhil: ++ | 16:57 |
| Rockyg | To me, that is part of the board/foundation provenance. | 16:57 |
| VanL | The point is not to say that people can only move at the speed of defcore, and an addition that explicitly breaks a foundational capability would be a no-no | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | VanL: So, the idea of the spec is to help define what we think makes a good interop test. What would the practical effect of that statement be when we're evaluating a test to see if it measures up to the spec? | 16:58 |
| Rockyg | The board could tomorrow decide they want to use a third party test org for the branding part. | 16:58 |
| Rockyg | But, Defcore would still have lots of value to the communities. | 16:58 |
| Rockyg | But, Defcore would still have lots of value to the communities.a way for anyone to validate the cloud they are using. | 16:59 |
| VanL | It basically says that tests (in RFC language) are limited to MUSTs, and tests that enforce MUST NOT are suspect | 16:59 |
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| nikhil | Rockyg: that is strange. how can we think of coming up with standards when the way you devlop standards is not standard itself? | 16:59 |
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| catherineD|2 | VanL: ++ | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | I think we're out of time...let's take this over to gerrit please | 16:59 |
| gema | markvoelker: ++ | 16:59 |
| shamail | Thanks markvoelker, great talking with everyone! | 16:59 |
| gema | thank you all! | 17:00 |
| Rockyg | We *aren't* coming up with standards. | 17:00 |
| markvoelker | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 8 17:00:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| Brunssen | Thanks | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-06-08-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-06-08-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-06-08-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 8 17:00:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 17:00 |
| doffm | o/ | 17:00 |
| dansmith | ohai | 17:00 |
| auggy | o/ | 17:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:00 |
| alaski | hello everyone | 17:00 |
| alaski | #topic Testing | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Testing (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:01 | |
| alaski | no breaks as far as I know | 17:01 |
| alaski | auggy: any update on grenade testing? | 17:01 |
| auggy | i've got a WIP change up - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326105/ | 17:01 |
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| alaski | awesome | 17:01 |
| auggy | it's just copying the multinode test | 17:01 |
| auggy | nothing special | 17:01 |
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| auggy | i'm still trying to get devstack-gate to work | 17:01 |
| auggy | so i can get the grenade target devstack settings we need | 17:02 |
| alaski | okay | 17:02 |
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| auggy | well, whenever the simple cells setup stuff is ready | 17:02 |
| auggy | :) | 17:02 |
| alaski | great. I'll check out the review in a bit | 17:03 |
| auggy | right now i'm just troubleshooting adding that test and making jenkins pass | 17:03 |
| alaski | for the simple cells setup I have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322311/ | 17:03 |
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| auggy | yeah it's failing right now because i'm not putting a thing somewehre it needs to go | 17:03 |
| alaski | okay | 17:04 |
| alaski | thanks for working on that | 17:04 |
| auggy | alaski: oh great! as soon as i can get devstack-gate working to create a devstack i'll check out that change and see what happens | 17:04 |
| auggy | yeah and feel free to pipe in if it looks like i'm going down a rabbit hole i shouldn't be | 17:04 |
| alaski | sure | 17:04 |
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| alaski | #topic Open Reviews | 17:04 |
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| alaski | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 17:05 |
| alaski | I have not been keeping my stuff up to date | 17:05 |
| alaski | I will get on that in a bit | 17:05 |
| * dansmith wags his finger | 17:05 | |
| * alaski hangs his head | 17:05 | |
| woodster_ | o/ | 17:05 |
| melwitt | should WIP things go in there or no? | 17:05 |
| alaski | please don't follow my lead, keep it up to date | 17:05 |
| alaski | melwitt: I would say yes | 17:06 |
| alaski | just mark it as such in there | 17:06 |
| melwitt | okay | 17:06 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:06 | |
| alaski | I have a few prepared items here today | 17:06 |
| alaski | first, I want to mention an issue with instance.name | 17:07 |
| alaski | by default it relies on using instance.id | 17:07 |
| alaski | which is assigned by the db | 17:07 |
| alaski | so returning that before writing to the cell db is problematic | 17:07 |
| alaski | my planned solution is to make it blank until it's in a cell db | 17:07 |
| dansmith | alaski: just want to be clear: we expose instance.name via the external API? | 17:07 |
| alaski | yes | 17:08 |
| dansmith | I'm not sure why we would do that, but.. heh, okay | 17:08 |
| alaski | I'm pretty sure we do | 17:08 |
| mriedem | external attribute i think | 17:08 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure why we do a lot of the things we do | 17:08 |
| alaski | yep, just another instance of oversharing implementation details | 17:08 |
| mriedem | which is why sean is taking a flamethrower to the api :) | 17:08 |
| dansmith | "OS-EXT-SRV-ATTR:instance_name": "instance-00000001", | 17:08 |
| alaski | mriedem: I'm trying to start small fires here and there as well | 17:09 |
| doffm | Why do we need to base it on the db id? | 17:09 |
| doffm | Cant we give it a uuid instead? | 17:09 |
| alaski | doffm: we don't | 17:09 |
| doffm | For new servers? | 17:09 |
| alaski | but in the past we did | 17:09 |
| dansmith | doffm: we don't, it's just configurable and used in some scary places | 17:09 |
| mriedem | doffm: see the instance_name_template config option | 17:09 |
| doffm | Ok. | 17:09 |
| alaski | doffm: the more complex answer is that it's generated on each access | 17:09 |
| doffm | Ouch. | 17:10 |
| alaski | if we persisted it for older instances we could update this | 17:10 |
| alaski | but I didn't want to go down that rabbit hole atm | 17:10 |
| dansmith | we can work around this, but it's far easier to either not return it until we know it, or have it appear to change | 17:10 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/objects/instance.py#L252 | 17:10 |
| dansmith | this is a relic from long ago | 17:10 |
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| doffm | LOL. That function. | 17:10 |
| dansmith | the last time we tried to remove it, we realized all people with lvm-backed instances would be screwed | 17:11 |
| alaski | dansmith: yeah, I want to run an object abuse past you for this. but I would like to keep it blank at first | 17:11 |
| dansmith | and there are a couple other places | 17:11 |
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| dansmith | alaski: this is not remotable so we can abuse it at will, but I'd rather start with it blank or missing yeah | 17:11 |
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| alaski | cool | 17:11 |
| mriedem | how are we going to namespace it per cell? | 17:11 |
| mriedem | to avoid collisions? | 17:11 |
| alaski | we aren't | 17:12 |
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| alaski | there's no guarantee of uniqueness here | 17:12 |
| dansmith | that's the thing | 17:12 |
| alaski | right now someone could make a static template | 17:12 |
| dansmith | it will overlap.. a lot | 17:12 |
| dansmith | right | 17:12 |
| mriedem | it eventually just turns into the uuid if it can't fit the template | 17:12 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/objects/instance.py#L268-L271 | 17:13 |
| alaski | yeah, but a template like 'instance' should work | 17:13 |
| mriedem | anyway, yeah, you could goof that template up | 17:13 |
| dansmith | it does't matter, | 17:13 |
| dansmith | there are resources named from that template right now | 17:13 |
| dansmith | if we change it, then those resources are lost | 17:14 |
| alaski | I would like to address this eventually, but not as a blocker for what I'm working on now | 17:14 |
| dansmith | like lvms for instance backing disks | 17:14 |
| alaski | eventually I want to persist the name, and snapshot every current instance name | 17:14 |
| alaski | but that's harder that it seems at first | 17:14 |
| alaski | next up | 17:15 |
| alaski | adding a new compute to a cell | 17:15 |
| alaski | I realized yesterday that we have plans for migrating what exists to a cell | 17:15 |
| alaski | but no plans for how things should be added to one | 17:15 |
| alaski | so when a compute is added it needs to get mapped properly | 17:16 |
| alaski | I would like it to look up the info it needs, and have it do it itself | 17:16 |
| dansmith | yes please | 17:16 |
| alaski | and all it needs it the cell mapping uuid | 17:16 |
| alaski | so we could require that in a config, or put it in the cell db | 17:16 |
| alaski | I favor putting it in the db, but a config is the simpler start I think | 17:17 |
| alaski | any thoughts? | 17:17 |
| melwitt | so every compute nova.conf would contain the cell uuid? | 17:18 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:18 |
| dansmith | I don't love it, but... | 17:18 |
| melwitt | okay, just making sure I understand | 17:18 |
| mriedem | how would the db one work? | 17:18 |
| alaski | a new cell table that just stored that uuid | 17:18 |
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| alaski | since every compute is configured to point at a db | 17:19 |
| dansmith | alaski: so there is another option maybe: | 17:19 |
| dansmith | alaski: instead of the upcall which kinda sucks anyway, | 17:19 |
| dansmith | alaski: what if we had a "discover" command either via api or nova-manage, | 17:19 |
| dansmith | which would merely list all computes in each cell in sequence, find new compute nodes that aren't yet mapped, and add a mapping for them? | 17:19 |
| dansmith | that would avoid the upcall, not require a config, | 17:20 |
| dansmith | and would have the knowledge of the cell already so it doesn't need a cell uuid persisted anywhere other than where we have it already | 17:20 |
| dansmith | and then we could let that run periodically or just say "put that in cron if you want it" | 17:20 |
| dansmith | presumably people only want to do that when they know they're adding new computes for the first time | 17:20 |
| dansmith | and it wouldn't be "register this one compute node" kind of sucky | 17:20 |
| alaski | fair point | 17:21 |
| dansmith | and it could even be "discover --all-cells" or "discover --cell=$uuid" | 17:21 |
| dansmith | to be lightweight when you just lit up a new rack | 17:21 |
| melwitt | interesting idea | 17:21 |
| dansmith | the computes already check in to their own cell by queue, so no reason to make them upcall I think | 17:22 |
| alaski | I don't love the extra deployer step, but it does simplify it | 17:22 |
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| dansmith | because people that don't allow upcalls by policy (which hopefully will be most people eventually) would have an issue registering new computes | 17:22 |
| melwitt | that's a good point | 17:22 |
| mriedem | alaski: there is an extra deployer step with the config option too | 17:22 |
| dansmith | alaski: well, we could make a periodic task a the top ad some point that just does "SELECT count(id) FROM compute_nodes" every few minutes on each cell db | 17:23 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:23 |
| dansmith | mriedem: yeah and that is more painful, IMHO | 17:23 |
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| alaski | mriedem: that's why I'm in favor of the db option. but it still requires the upcall | 17:23 |
| dansmith | alaski: anyway, one more step right now that we can automate is not a huge deal I think | 17:23 |
| alaski | dansmith: right. so I think this sounds like a good first step, and then it can be refined later | 17:23 |
| alaski | I'll try that, and we can debate further on a review | 17:24 |
| alaski | my final agenda item: I'm going to be heading to the airport during next weeks meeting, so does someone want to run it, or skip? | 17:25 |
| dansmith | alaski: I can think of lots of lightweight ways the scheduler could detect that we have more compute nodes than mappings, and trigger a discovery | 17:25 |
| dansmith | and by "lots" I mean "at least one" | 17:25 |
| melwitt | :) | 17:25 |
| alaski | dansmith: yes, until the scheduler splits (I'm still hopeful on that) | 17:25 |
| dansmith | I hate meetings, I suggest we skip | 17:25 |
| doffm | We can probably miss a week. | 17:25 |
| dansmith | alaski: I'm not sure where all this kind of stuff goes in that case anyway, but yeah | 17:26 |
| melwitt | yeah, a skip is cool with me too | 17:26 |
| alaski | cool | 17:26 |
| alaski | #note no meeting next week | 17:26 |
| alaski | dangit | 17:26 |
| alaski | #info no meeting next week | 17:26 |
| alaski | okay, any other topics for today? | 17:26 |
| melwitt | I wanted to mention I put up a WIP for people to have a look at for querying cell service version for compute RPC calls | 17:27 |
| melwitt | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326906/ so feel free to comment | 17:27 |
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| mriedem | hmmm, | 17:28 |
| mriedem | that makes me think of the check i have in the get me a network rest api change | 17:28 |
| mriedem | it's checking that all computes in the deployment are at least newton | 17:28 |
| mriedem | with cells it would have to aggregate that all up | 17:28 |
| mriedem | but you could be smarter and schedule the instance to a particular cell that is fully newton | 17:29 |
| alaski | yeah | 17:29 |
| alaski | I was thinking we could treat cells individually | 17:29 |
| mriedem | where does the service table live in cells v2? | 17:30 |
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| dansmith | in the cell | 17:30 |
| mriedem | so when asking for min nova-compute service, that will just be checking all computes as it does today, | 17:30 |
| mriedem | but those computes would be grouped by cells in some mapping table | 17:30 |
| dansmith | you can't do a single query of all compute services | 17:31 |
| dansmith | you can do N for N cells and then pick the cells that are >=X | 17:31 |
| mriedem | sure | 17:31 |
| mriedem | that check in the api won't work unless the scheduler does the right thing though | 17:31 |
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| mriedem | easy out is just require all computes in all cells to be >=x | 17:32 |
| dansmith | right, the scheduler would have to consider it | 17:32 |
| dansmith | for single feature adds, | 17:32 |
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| dansmith | not allowing it until everything is upgraded is totally fine, IMHO | 17:33 |
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| mriedem | yeah i'm fine with that | 17:33 |
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| mriedem | do we have a stance on mixed cell deployments? | 17:33 |
| mriedem | i.e. i can have a newton cell and a mitaka cell? | 17:34 |
| alaski | they're going to need to be possible | 17:34 |
| doffm | I think so. | 17:34 |
| dansmith | yeah, not optional | 17:34 |
| doffm | I mean you will want to roll cells. | 17:34 |
| alaski | right | 17:34 |
| mriedem | roll computes within your rolling cells | 17:34 |
| mriedem | mfer | 17:34 |
| dansmith | it'd be a regression to atomic upgrades | 17:34 |
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| alaski | always be upgrading | 17:35 |
| dansmith | lol | 17:35 |
| mriedem | god | 17:35 |
| dansmith | need .. the .. tshirt | 17:35 |
| mriedem | doffm: not it for the ansible changes to handle this | 17:35 |
| alaski | hah | 17:35 |
| doffm | mriedem: It. :( | 17:36 |
| mriedem | ok i'm done with random questions | 17:36 |
| melwitt | I was thinking of starting work on the server groups migrations if that's cool with everyone | 17:36 |
| dansmith | I OBJECT | 17:36 |
| dansmith | (I don't object) | 17:36 |
| doffm | YES | 17:36 |
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| alaski | I'd rather we just got rid of them... but that's cool with me | 17:36 |
| melwitt | heh | 17:37 |
| mriedem | yeah i was going to say quotas is probably higher priority? | 17:37 |
| mriedem | but shittier | 17:37 |
| alaski | quotas is in progress right? | 17:37 |
| melwitt | I think doffm is doing quotas right? | 17:37 |
| mriedem | is it? | 17:37 |
| mriedem | ha | 17:37 |
| doffm | I will start on quotas next week. | 17:37 |
| mriedem | seriously? | 17:37 |
| doffm | I'll add it to our backlog. | 17:37 |
| doffm | Or do it in the evening. | 17:37 |
| mriedem | doffm: i need to know how this benefits ibm public cloud | 17:37 |
| doffm | mriedem: Shhhhh. Nothing happening here. | 17:38 |
| mriedem | anywho | 17:38 |
| melwitt | I can do quotas if that's more needed, I just thought it was already taken | 17:38 |
| mriedem | mark wrote the spec | 17:38 |
| dansmith | melwitt: run away .. fast | 17:38 |
| mriedem | but i'm pretty sure mark is overcommitted, but i'll let him hang himself if he wants | 17:38 |
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| melwitt | :) | 17:39 |
| mriedem | let's end meeting before dan freaks out | 17:39 |
| dansmith | yes please | 17:40 |
| alaski | alright, anything else? | 17:40 |
| alaski | better speak up quick | 17:40 |
| alaski | thanks everyone! | 17:40 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 8 17:40:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:40 |
| auggy | no, thank YOU | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-06-08-17.00.html | 17:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-06-08-17.00.txt | 17:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-06-08-17.00.log.html | 17:40 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 8 20:00:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| hurgleburgler | (◠‿◠✿)ノ | 20:00 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:00 |
| rhagarty__ | o/ | 20:00 |
| robcresswell | The most punctual meeting start ever :D | 20:00 |
| robcresswell | hi everyone | 20:00 |
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| tsufiev | o/ | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon#Agenda_for_2016-06-08_2000_UTC | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | Todays agenda ^^ | 20:01 |
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| robcresswell | #topic Doc team guidelines on UI text content | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc team guidelines on UI text content (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:01 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | ohai | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: You're up | 20:02 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | so http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/ui-text-guidelines.html has been produced by the doc team and UX folks | 20:02 |
| ducttape_ | o/ | 20:02 |
| tyr | o/ | 20:02 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it'd be awesome if we all could have a look through | 20:02 |
| r1chardj0n3s | Personally, I think there's some helpful things in there | 20:03 |
| ediardo | o/ | 20:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | If you have any feedback for the docs team they'd love to know. Especially if your feedback is "um, why?" :-) | 20:03 |
| kenji-i_ | o/ | 20:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (even more especially if the "um, why?" relates to the doc as a whole) | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/ui-text-guidelines/ui-error-messages.html#alert-examples alternates on the full stop ending. dangit. | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | I was hoping someone would finally settle that. | 20:04 |
| r1chardj0n3s | Hah! | 20:04 |
| tsufiev | Why didn't they finish 'in progress' messages with ... ? | 20:05 |
| tsufiev | seems completely against my habits :) | 20:05 |
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| robcresswell | Yeah! Why not! Man, these docs folks. | 20:05 |
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| * robcresswell raises pitchfork | 20:05 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | my work here is done | 20:05 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ;-) | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | haha. | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | This is useful content anyway, thanks for raising it | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | Any questions, or are we ready to move on? | 20:06 |
| ediardo | about the doc? | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | Yup. Otherwise will move to next agenda item. | 20:07 |
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| * ediardo is reading the doc | 20:07 | |
| robcresswell | Ha, lets move on. | 20:07 |
| ediardo | :) | 20:07 |
| hurgleburgler | What is the line between what Doc people dictate | 20:07 |
| hurgleburgler | and what style will dictate? | 20:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I think the "workflow navigation text" one is weird and out of place (all about style) | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | Got an example, hurgleburgler ? | 20:07 |
| hurgleburgler | Shouldn't Doc people be helping out with formatting of actual content instead of layout of pages? | 20:07 |
| tsufiev | hurgleburgler, the Doc people are instrument of style, aren't they? | 20:07 |
| tsufiev | and of clarity, of course... | 20:08 |
| * ducttape_ is wondering if there is an escape from the rabbit hole | 20:08 | |
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| r1chardj0n3s | hurgleburgler: afaict the only style guidline is the workflow nav text one? | 20:08 |
| r1chardj0n3s | and I'd recommend they nuke that | 20:08 |
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| hurgleburgler | r1chardj0n3s: yeah, I was looking specifically at the 'UI Panel Formatting' —> Workflow one | 20:09 |
| hurgleburgler | that was my only question … just wondering :) Carry on | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | Cool. Lets pass that back to them and see what they say. | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | #topic Blueprint: Enhance workflow actions with policy rules | 20:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprint: Enhance workflow actions with policy rules (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:10 | |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/add-policy-rules-to-workflow-actions | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Your turn | 20:10 |
| tsufiev | that's the blueprint from a morning meeting | 20:10 |
| tsufiev | the goal is simple: to make a Django workflow step visible depending on if the policy for it is satisfied | 20:11 |
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| tyr | that's odd...I thought that already existed? | 20:11 |
| ducttape_ | sounds good, but this is more work on the django side of our framework, right ? | 20:11 |
| tsufiev | in Angular :)? | 20:12 |
| tsufiev | ducttape_, yes, exactly, it's a Django counterpart of what already we have in Angular | 20:12 |
| tsufiev | the discussable part is if we want to still improve Django side of things | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev, I thought there was already a patch underway | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/144152/ | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | yeah, I see it now | 20:13 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, robcresswell, ack, it is | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | A mere year and a half old | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | thought this was already approved | 20:13 |
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| tsufiev | I think the bp was drafter before we introduced the procedure of regular bp approvals | 20:14 |
| tsufiev | must have missed it | 20:14 |
| tsufiev | *drafted | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | I think we can approve this anyway. Its a sensible improvement. | 20:14 |
| tyr | +1 We've had requests for this kind of functionality | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | And we're a way off rewriting all workflows in angular. | 20:14 |
| tsufiev | \o/ | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/add-policy-rules-to-workflow-actions Approved | 20:15 |
| ducttape_ | I could see django workflows for some time to come | 20:15 |
| tyr | on that front...I've been investigating a way to invoke the Django actions...from Angular ;) | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev, since I mentally approved that 3 releases ago, I updated the status ;) | 20:15 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, :))) | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | Great. Lets move on :) | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | my last comment on the patch only concerned text :( | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | should have been in already | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | #topic Blueprint: Supports extra properties in project and user | 20:16 |
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| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/support-extra-prop-for-project-and-user | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | kenji-i: o/ | 20:17 |
| kenji-i_ | good morning! | 20:17 |
| kenji-i_ | oh it's my turn | 20:17 |
| kenji-i_ | This bp is to be able to treat extra property in horizon. | 20:18 |
| kenji-i_ | extra proper is defined in keystone db and already keysone api support. | 20:18 |
| kenji-i_ | extra propety | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | kenji-i_, my only concern would be UX | 20:18 |
| ducttape_ | could totally see this being useful, sounds awesome | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | what are you showing in the table? or only on details pages | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | that doesn't seem t obe spelled out in the blueprint | 20:19 |
| tsufiev | kenji-i, could keystone db solve the issue of storing various user settings for us? | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | seem to be* | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev, no | 20:19 |
| ducttape_ | you could have a single column and have that have name:value pairs too | 20:19 |
| tyr | would I see a new "Telephone" column...or just an "Extra" column that had telephone numbers? | 20:19 |
| kenji-i_ | I also think UX is my concern, I am thinking that table and detal page | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | Mm, I agree. Listing key value pairs inside the table rows wouldn't be doable. It would have to be on the details page, or a modal/popover | 20:20 |
| tsufiev | details drawer ftw! | 20:20 |
| tyr | this is also a fabulous application of the extensible table Cindy wrote and the table columns registry | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | Depends how the API returns the data. | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | JSON | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | the bp says | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | I meant if it was part of the list, or a separate get | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | ah | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | no idea | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | kenji-i_: I think the blueprint idea is fine, just might need some refining on how to display the data :) | 20:22 |
| kenji-i_ | table or detail page ? | 20:23 |
| tyr | a "let me choose the visible columns" kind of pattern might apply | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | detail page sounds the most dane | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | *sane | 20:23 |
| robcresswell | agreed | 20:23 |
| tyr | My read of the blueprint is that it attempts to add columns to the tables to include often referenced additional data that is important to that operator. Pushing to details seems to defeat the purpose. | 20:24 |
| kenji-i_ | I agree david-lyle, I am trying to show in table, it's complexity | 20:24 |
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| robcresswell | tyr: Like I said, depends how the data is gathered. If its part of a list call, it might be more manageable | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | tyr: If its a get per user, then its not | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | managing visible columns becomes a bit of an issue without a large session store | 20:25 |
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| david-lyle | per table settings | 20:26 |
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| ducttape_ | lets have kenji-i_ attempt to show it in the table, if it is not too much work, but otherwise details could be fine too | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | for the 30 or so tables | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | because people want to shove that in a cookie typically | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | cookies are limited | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | Well, if its just managing visibility, we could probably rig something up with css and a table/column name. | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | but I digress | 20:27 |
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| ducttape_ | support is there for the general idea of the bp, yes? | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | Yup | 20:27 |
| tyr | kenji-i_: I think you'd find value in some of the flexibility we are developing in Angular for tables and which columns are visible. It would mean "angularizing" the identity dashboard...but might kill two birds with one stone. Just a thought. | 20:27 |
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| * tsufiev wonders if we take another attempt on enabling memcached in devstack and changing default session_engine | 20:28 | |
| tsufiev | *if we should take | 20:28 |
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| ducttape_ | tsufiev the answer is always yes to that question | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/support-extra-prop-for-project-and-user Approved | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev, well I think it's supposed to be oslo.cache now | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 20:28 |
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| david-lyle | which will not default to memcache but dogpile IIRC | 20:29 |
| tyr | Quick plug for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323534/ which introduces angular templates caching and theme overrides for Angular html fragments. Adds some nice performance gains for Angular code, and brings theming back to par with Django pages. | 20:29 |
| tyr | I could use some help identifying possible corner cases, or deployment variations that might cause this template pre-loading strategy to fail. | 20:29 |
| tsufiev | ducttape_, the only missing part is choosing a volunteer | 20:29 |
| tyr | Thanks!! | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | tyr: Looks good, thanks for doing that | 20:29 |
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| tsufiev | tyr, started looking into it right before the meeting | 20:29 |
| ducttape_ | tsufiev: did you want to discuss my ugly cinder quotas thing? I am looking at it currently, not sure how to escape this mess | 20:29 |
| tsufiev | code is really interesting | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | tyr: I need to disect it a bit, and figure out what you've done with that "cache this for a very long time" statement | 20:30 |
| kenji-i_ | sorry for reply late.. thank you!! I'll try it and considering your comments | 20:30 |
| robcresswell | thanks kenji-i_ | 20:30 |
| tsufiev | ducttape_, I'll be more prepared the next day | 20:30 |
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| ducttape_ | ok, no problem / thank you tsufiev | 20:30 |
| tsufiev | it's too late for quota mess in TZ+3 :) | 20:30 |
| ducttape_ | it's too late at every time of day fwiw | 20:31 |
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| tyr | robcresswell: lol...yep, use of 'cache' seems odd but tried to explain in commit comment and in-line comment. I don't think it is too nefarious. | 20:31 |
| tsufiev | ducttape_, to be honest, every time I look at quotas code I feel an irresistible urge to throw it away completely :/ | 20:32 |
| ducttape_ | are angular items something that gets dynamically added? you usually run collectstatic and compress for them too, right ? | 20:32 |
| robcresswell | tyr: Yeah, regardless it seems to be a big step in the right direction, so we can poke it a bit until its complete. Really appreciate the work on that. | 20:32 |
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| ducttape_ | tsufiev: - yes, the quotas stuff should be recycled | 20:32 |
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| robcresswell | Anything else? Otherwise I shall reclaim my evening :) | 20:34 |
| tsufiev | an announcement just in case, if you still haven't heard: now we have videos for failed integration tests | 20:35 |
| lcastell | \o/ | 20:35 |
| tsufiev | so if the job fails for your patch, don't hurry to recheck it, look inside | 20:35 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | \o/ tsufiev | 20:35 |
| jlopezgu | sounds pretty nice | 20:35 |
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| ducttape_ | maybe we can add cats to these videos? like a cat fail video ? | 20:36 |
| tsufiev | another stupid/not so stupid application of that feature is that using @attach_video decorator we can attach video to any test, be it success or not | 20:36 |
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| tsufiev | like auto-demonstrating new features | 20:36 |
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| tsufiev | of course, you'll have to write an integration test for that 'auto' demo :) | 20:37 |
| tsufiev | which may mean double profit | 20:37 |
| r1chardj0n3s | :-) | 20:37 |
| r1chardj0n3s | sounds neat, but also something I'm likely to forget about :/ | 20:37 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Did the integration tests for angular LI merge yet? | 20:37 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, want me to remind about it for the next month on every meeting :)? | 20:37 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: thanks! | 20:37 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, sadly not yet, it have one unresolved dependency | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | we're 1 +2 away from using tempest-horizon plugin for gating instead of the full dsvm job | 20:38 |
| tsufiev | me and schipiga got little distracted from it | 20:38 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: that's an infra +2? | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Sure, np | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s, yes | 20:38 |
| david-lyle | 327226 | 20:39 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ok, I have ... done something with that information :-) | 20:39 |
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| robcresswell | link for the lazy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327226 | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | as a bonus, I'm now an expert on broken tempest plugins | 20:40 |
| r1chardj0n3s | see if we can't get it over the line | 20:40 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: lol | 20:40 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: is that ... debugging them or making them? | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s, both | 20:40 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Maybe if we +1 it enough, all those +1s will get together and become a +2 | 20:40 |
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| robcresswell | tyr, matt-borland: at some point very soon I'll need a hand updating smart table, angular, and ui bootstrap | 20:41 |
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| tyr | sure, how can we help? | 20:41 |
| robcresswell | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:^openstack/xstatic.* | 20:42 |
| matt-borland | robcresswell, is it basically testing with updated Xstatic packages? | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | test the packages there and see how much work it is to make them work with horizon | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | ui bootstrap directives all prepended ui- so that will break, but the services didnt change too much I think. | 20:42 |
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| robcresswell | smart table I've not looked in to yet. angular 1.4 I have a patch that seems to work fine but fail integration tests, so I need to figure that out. | 20:43 |
| tsufiev | a short heads-up for those who are interested in GlanceV2 support in Horizon: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Glance_Team_Meeting tomorrow there should be a discussion of 'copy-from' feature implementation in V2 which Horizon seems to need a lot | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: if you get on to topology stuff, there is also an updated but unreleased d3 IIRC. | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell, yes, I'll try to check that out | 20:44 |
| robcresswell | Excellent | 20:44 |
| tsufiev | if someone besides me came to this meeting and said a word, this _might_ slightly increased the chances of having this feature in V2 | 20:44 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Can you give some background on why we need this? | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev, this is copy-from url? | 20:45 |
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| tsufiev | david-lyle, yes | 20:45 |
| david-lyle | yeah, that's a strange one | 20:45 |
| lhcheng | does people use Glance V2? :P | 20:46 |
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| david-lyle | not a lot of people you want copying in images | 20:46 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, there is a blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/horizon-glance-v2 | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | lhcheng, v1 is deprecated don't you know | 20:46 |
| robcresswell | lhcheng: It gets mentioned quite often :) | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | :) | 20:46 |
| tsufiev | well, I don't know either if copy-from an important feature for *us* | 20:46 |
| lhcheng | david-lyle, robcresswell: like the keystone v2 deprecation ;) | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | lhcheng, exactly | 20:47 |
| tsufiev | perhaps, people who deploy may say something | 20:47 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Ha, I was aware of glance v2, I meant background on copy-from specifically. | 20:47 |
| robcresswell | Thats not a particular thing I've heard about, but glance gets asked about quite a lot. | 20:47 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, I got an impression that the lack of its support means a serious regression for Create Image UX in Horiozn | 20:47 |
| robcresswell | lhcheng: Nothing is truly deprecated until its gone from devstack | 20:47 |
| tsufiev | but I may be wrong | 20:47 |
| lhcheng | I was just curious of the adoption, but since tsufiev is working on it, I guess there is an ask from their users. | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev, we'll lose a location field that is most likely blocked for most users | 20:48 |
| lhcheng | robcresswell: hah true :D | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev, but I suspect there are people using it | 20:48 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, why can't they use Location with Copy Image unchecked? | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | lhcheng: I dont have any numbers on it I'm afraid, but it was mentioned in the feedback at the summit and also asked about from time to time in IRC | 20:48 |
| ducttape_ | so you would loose the copy from a url option ? | 20:49 |
| ducttape_ | and be forced to upload the image via horizon? | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev, there are many implications for end users being able upload their own images from random urls | 20:49 |
| lhcheng | robcresswell: ah I see, got it. sounds good then. | 20:49 |
| tsufiev | ducttape_, yes, if it isn't implemented by the time V1 is removed completely | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | it's a security problem first off | 20:49 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev, I don't really have a horse in the race, but I can see the reluctance to adding | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | it | 20:50 |
| ducttape_ | it is a horrible idea to upload images from horizon, the copy from url is the only option that makes any sense in my mind | 20:50 |
| lhcheng | david-lyle: the image upload is restricted to certain users, maybe there is a separate rbac for copy-from? | 20:50 |
| tsufiev | ducttape_, why is it a horrible idea? | 20:51 |
| matt-borland | ducttape_++ | 20:51 |
| ducttape_ | it's horrible b/c it eats up memory / network / threads and times out..... it's just bad | 20:51 |
| matt-borland | (in its current format) | 20:51 |
| ducttape_ | the cli is the way to do that | 20:51 |
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| david-lyle | ducttape_, why are you upload via horizon at all? | 20:51 |
| ducttape_ | we usually don't | 20:51 |
| tsufiev | ducttape_, that's going to change in some way | 20:51 |
| ducttape_ | the copy from url is quick and easy, and it's fine | 20:52 |
| tsufiev | ducttape_, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230434/ | 20:52 |
| robcresswell | https://github.com/openstack/glance/blob/master/etc/policy.json#L11 | 20:52 |
| r1chardj0n3s | matt-borland, tsufiev: please see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313243 | 20:52 |
| ducttape_ | the upload from horizon means "please wait 40 mins and hope that something doesn't time out" | 20:52 |
| robcresswell | copy from does have its own rule | 20:52 |
| tsufiev | at least, it won't eat memory anymore | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell, understood | 20:52 |
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| matt-borland | r1chardj0n3s, yeah, will respond (but it *always* fails for any test) | 20:53 |
| david-lyle | but the 5 operators in the cloud that should have that priviledge likely won't use horizon :) | 20:53 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, will try to localize the issue tomorrow | 20:53 |
| r1chardj0n3s | matt-borland: are you absolutely positive you don't have any stale static files served? I simply can't think of another reason why it utterly fails just for you :/ | 20:53 |
| ducttape_ | tsufiev - that is better, but I would still strongly recomend to avoid horizon for this | 20:54 |
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| robcresswell | david-lyle: I don't really have a side in this debate, just wanted to point it out :) | 20:54 |
| r1chardj0n3s | especially in such a findamental API imepdance kinda way | 20:54 |
| matt-borland | yeah, I did some immense cleansing r1chardj0n3s | 20:54 |
| tsufiev | okay, so I think that copy-from is really important | 20:54 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell, me either :P | 20:54 |
| robcresswell | Either way, it seems odd for us to worry too much from a Horizon point of view; if Glance dont want to provide it, we can send the angry people their way. | 20:54 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: the reason I need precise reproduction instructions is Swift is ... weird sometimes :-) | 20:55 |
| r1chardj0n3s | matt-borland: I'm totally stumped. I can't think of a reason, other than having the wrong version of a JS file loaded, why you'd see code mismatching like that | 20:55 |
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| tsufiev | robcresswell, not the 'Horizon Heroes' attitude :-P | 20:55 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | I'll walk through the code again though | 20:55 |
| matt-borland | r1chardj0n3s, it seemed to get something lost in the <actions> area | 20:56 |
| ducttape_ | I had a change to bring up, forgot about it - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322325/ it's fairly simple, and lets the nova scheduler handle placement of vms during live migration | 20:56 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: haha, very true, just dont want to block v2 support in horizon because of a glance issue | 20:56 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, sure, makes sense. Just if we may have some influence over what design decision is made, why not exploit it? | 20:57 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_, so that's basically "evacuate this host, I don't care to where" | 20:57 |
| tsufiev | besides that, inter-project communication sometimes doesn't work well | 20:57 |
| tsufiev | I mean, Glance community might event not know that this feature is important for Horizon | 20:57 |
| ducttape_ | yes david-lyle, or also "I have too many hosts that I cannot make an intelligent decision" | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_, sure | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | makes sense | 20:58 |
| ducttape_ | imagine you have 200 hosts with various usage, how do you know which location to choose ? | 20:58 |
| ducttape_ | let nova figure it out | 20:58 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: That's a fair point. I'll come along to discuss. | 20:58 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, thanks! | 20:58 |
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| david-lyle | ducttape_, but that removes the choice option all together? | 20:59 |
| r1chardj0n3s | matt-borland: so when actions-delete-selected.template.html is rendered it has items, but the callback doesn't get the item? | 20:59 |
| ducttape_ | no, it just adds the default selection to be "let nova decide, compute-001, compute-002" etc | 20:59 |
| ducttape_ | so you can also choose a host specifically | 21:00 |
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| ducttape_ | but the default is let nova decide | 21:00 |
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| robcresswell | We're outta time | 21:00 |
| robcresswell | Thanks all | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_, yep I'm dumb | 21:00 |
| tsufiev | that was a really dense meeting :) | 21:00 |
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| tsufiev | thanks all! | 21:00 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 8 21:00:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-06-08-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-06-08-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-06-08-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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