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paul-carlton2how do I recheck Citrix XenServer CI?10:38
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krotscheck#startmeeting javascript15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 13 15:00:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'javascript'15:00
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krotscheck#link Agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/javascript-meeting-2016-06-1315:00
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krotscheckGood morning, everyone! Who made it?15:01
vkramskikhhi15:01
ZaraI'm here to lurk15:01
* krotscheck plans on dragging Zara into the open when we do introductions :)15:01
Zara:{15:01
yujunzHi15:01
krotscheckwelcome, yujunz!@15:01
yujunzGood midnight...15:01
krotscheckyujunz: Whoa, is it that late where you are?15:02
yujunz11pm in Shanghai15:02
krotscheckYikes.15:02
krotscheckvkramskikh: What time is it where you are?15:02
vkramskikhkrotscheck: 6pm15:02
krotscheckHrm. It's 8AM here, maybe we can move the meeting up an hour15:02
krotscheckWell, we'll talk about that in a minute.15:03
krotscheck#topic Introductions15:03
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krotscheckHello everyone!15:03
krotscheckI'd like to introduce everyone who'm I know is planning on showing up.15:03
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krotscheckFirstly, there's vkramskikh, who works on Fuel-UI, using (I think) react, webpack, and... a few other things?15:04
* krotscheck doesn't know if he's PTL.15:04
vkramskikhFuel UI has no PTL :) Fuel has15:04
vkramskikhI'm a core reviewer of fuel-ui repo15:04
krotscheckvkramskikh: Well then, are you the Fuel PTL?15:04
vkramskikhnope, Vladimir Kozhukalov is Fuel PTL15:05
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krotscheckGotcha15:05
krotscheckWell, you're awesome anyway.15:05
vkramskikhthanks :)15:05
krotscheckNext is Zara, in the UK, who's the StoryBoard PTL.15:05
Zarahi! I'm also not really a PTL (but core!)15:05
yujunzThe story board we are using?15:05
krotscheckThey use Angular, Grunt, and... a few other things?15:05
krotscheckyujunz: Yep15:05
yujunzAwesome project15:06
krotscheckThree cheers for Zara :)15:06
Zara(yeah... bower... npm to install stuff... maybe other things I haven't yet found... :D)15:06
Zarathank you15:06
krotscheckNext is betherly, who's on holiday right now in the land of no internet.15:06
krotscheckSo she's not here, because she's busy surfing.15:06
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krotscheckShe works on ironic-ui, ironic-webclient, and is really kindof awesome on all things CSS.15:07
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krotscheckThen there's yujunz, who works for ZTE corp in Shanghai, and has most recently been contributing to js-generator-openstack.15:07
* krotscheck doesn' tknow much more about yujunz, how about you introduce yourself?15:08
yujunzkeywords, angular, d3js, grunt, gulp anything that will work15:08
Zara:D nice to meet you15:09
krotscheckyujunz: Oooh, I think Zara had a question about d3js a while ago, maybe you two can talk when it's a more convenient time zone for both of you :)15:09
yujunzNo problem15:09
Zaraheh, I have no idea if it's still a question, t'was on behalf of a colleague, but thank you!15:09
ZaraI'll find out15:09
krotscheckAnd lastly there's me, who's infra-support for all things javascript. Which means mirrors, build jobs, eslint rules, etc.15:10
* krotscheck waves.15:10
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* Zara waves back from the UK15:10
krotscheckAlso, other individuals who do a lot of javascript things are tsufiev, SotK, hurgleburglar, tyr... most of the horizon team really.15:11
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krotscheckThe reason I wanted to get everyone in a room is because most of OpenStack is Python, thus it's often difficult to get mindshare with others to do UI-based design discussions15:11
krotschecki.e. birds-of-a-feather kinds of things.15:12
krotscheckBut that's part of the next topic.15:12
krotscheck#topic What Is This Meeting For?15:12
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krotscheckSo, waht is everyone looking for out of this?15:12
ZaraI want to keep up to date with JS things, as most openstack is python, most of my workplace use things like python, and I still feel pretty new to JS15:13
Zaraand web-development more generally15:13
krotscheck\o/15:13
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yujunzAs a newcomer, I'd like to know a bit about the coding conventions in openstack javascript team15:13
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vkramskikhAs for me, probably to have time to sync and discuss some questions when most of the poeople are present and can express their opinions15:13
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krotscheckThings sound pretty freeform, more like a birds-of-a-feather session.15:15
krotscheckIn that case, I'd suggest we just keep the agenda open.15:15
krotscheckAnd not try to be too rigid about what we talk about.15:15
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krotschecki.e. Anyone can add anything to the agenda, and we'll address them in order. Any objections?15:16
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Zarawfm15:16
vkramskikhno objections15:16
krotscheckCool, next topic.15:17
krotscheck#topic How frequently should we meet.15:17
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krotscheck(also: Should we change the meeting time)15:17
krotscheck11PM is hard for Shanghai.15:17
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krotscheck6PM is not... great... for vkramskikh.15:17
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vkramskikh6PM is actually perfectly fine for me15:18
krotscheckOh, alright15:18
yujunz11pm is the latest time slot I can make15:18
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ZaraI think I'll mainly be lurking so if it's a time that's bad for me, it's not the end of the world15:18
vkramskikhHere in Moscow people usually come to work about noon :)15:18
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ZaraI don't have strong opinions on js things, mainly interested in listening at this point15:18
krotscheckvkramskikh: Sounds like my kind of city...15:18
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* krotscheck is woken up by an infant at 5AM every morning15:18
yujunzhow old?15:19
krotscheckSo I'm usually at work at 7AM. Does anyone have any objections to moving the meeting up an hour to 1400UTC to give yujunz a little more sleep? :)15:19
vkramskikhI don't15:19
krotscheckyujunz: 9 months. Crawling, pulling himself up, super cute :)15:19
Zarafine by me15:19
yujunzThank you for that15:19
krotscheckyujunz: I'd make it even earlier if I could. Sadly, I'm the least-conveniently placed for you.15:20
krotscheck(timezone wise).15:20
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yujunzTwo 15-month babies keep me away from work before 9pm every day.15:20
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krotscheckyujunz: Whoa. Twins?15:21
yujunzYes, a boy and a girl15:21
krotscheckyujunz: I... wow. Respect.15:21
krotscheck#agreed Switch meeting time to 1400UTC.15:21
krotscheckNext question: Weekly or bi-weekly?15:21
yujunzI would prefer weekly efficient meeting15:22
vkramskikhI'd suggest to start with weekly meeting and if they are not so many topics to discuss, then switch to biweekly meetings15:23
krotscheckI'm alright with that.15:23
krotscheck#agreed Meetings to be weekly15:23
krotscheckOn to the project overview.15:23
krotscheck#topic Project Introductions15:24
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krotscheckI added this really as an educational point, to make people aware of all the JavaScript we currently have going on in OpenStack.15:24
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krotscheckvkramskikh: Would you mind introducing fuel?15:25
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vkramskikhFuel is an OpenStack installer, which is mostly being developed by Mirantis, but recently more people started to contribute15:25
vkramskikhFuel has Fuel UI - a simple user interface15:26
vkramskikhFuel UI project which was started 4 years ago (previously lived in fuel-web repo). It survived a few overhauls, migrating from Backbone to React, from TBS2 to TBS3, from require.js to webpack, from Grunt to Gulp. Fuel UI has been a single page aplication since day one.A few months ago it was separated to its own repo - fuel-ui, which is JS-only.15:26
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vkramskikhI think that's it, any questions?15:26
krotscheckHow many contributers to you have to it?15:27
vkramskikhhmm, let me think15:27
vkramskikhwe have 2 cores, and about 4-6 people who contribute frequently15:27
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vkramskikhand about 10-15 people who made some minor fixes in code, styles and translations15:28
krotscheckBy far the largest pure-js project we have so far I think :)15:28
yujunzso the connected backend must be fuel15:28
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vkramskikhyes, it can be considered as a browser-based client for Fuel15:29
vkramskikhand it's REST API server - nailgun, which still lives in fuel-web repo15:29
yujunzok, you've answered my question before I ask...15:29
* krotscheck has a nailgun in his garage. it's pretty frightening.15:29
krotscheckAlright, next projects.15:29
krotscheckThe Ironic-Webclient is a standalone UI against the OpenStack Ironic, allowing non-horizon bare metal management. Contributors include myself and betherly. it's... been under incubation for the last year, because I've had to build a lot of infrastructure things to get it rolling.15:30
* krotscheck is hoping to release it in the Newton Cycle, but he's not certain he can pull that off solo.15:30
betherlyHi all! Signal is a bit broken but wanted to pop my head in to say hi and please feel free to contact with any qs re the ironic UI in particular :)15:31
krotscheckHi betherly! Enjoying the surf? :)15:31
Zarahi betherly!15:31
krotscheckIt uses gulp, angular, bootstrap, and I've also started to incubate a generic set of angular controls inside of it that may be useful in a common library, assuming that said common library uses angular.15:31
krotscheckAny questions? Else I'll ask Zara to introduce storyboard :)15:32
betherlykrotscheck: surf is awful but its nice to be in devon :)15:32
Zaraquick everyone ask questions15:32
yujunzwhich version of angular?15:32
krotscheckyujunz: 1.5.something15:32
yujunzOK, I heard that 2.x is totally different15:33
krotscheckyujunz: I've heard that too.15:33
krotscheckOk, Zara, go ahead15:33
Zaraok! I typed mine up ahead since I type slowwwly15:34
ZaraStoryBoard's a task tracker, for cross-project work!15:34
ZaraSometimes it's used as a bugtracker, too.15:34
ZaraIt has a mysql db, a python api and a webclient written in angularjs,15:34
Zarathat uses bootstrap.15:34
Zarakrotscheck did the bulk of the original work on the webclient. SotK15:34
Zaraand I are the current cores, though we're not really JS experts, so15:34
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Zaraare interested in learning more whenever we can.15:34
Zara /wall-of-text15:34
Zaradoes anyone have any questions?15:35
yujunzIs it developed dedicated for openstack?15:35
yujunzI mean openstack projects15:35
Zarait's under the infra umbrella and was originally designed for openstack use, but can stand alone15:36
krotscheckyujunz: It was, originally. Then OpenStack dropped it, and CodeThink took over to make it meet their needs. Now OpenStack looked at it again and said: Oh, we want this, and so it's a... hybrid... now?15:36
krotscheck¯\_(ツ)_/¯15:37
Zarasounds about right15:37
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krotscheckI feel like at this point it has enough varying stakeholders that it will follow its own path.15:37
krotscheckOk, next....15:37
krotscheckOpenStack-Health Dashboard is a test visualization dashboard for openstack infra. Contributors include timothy89. You can see it here: http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/ , and it's maintained by the QA team.15:38
krotscheckThat's all I know about it, timothy isn't here :(15:38
krotscheckHowever, they tend to incubate things that make interfacing with QA tooling way, way easier (like subunit reporting for example), so occasionally we'll get something from them that gets rolled into infra.15:38
krotscheckI'd offer to answer questions, but I don't really have any answers.15:38
krotscheckThere's a few infra projects:15:39
krotscheckjs-afs-blob-store and js-openstack-registry-hooks are two plugin projects which back the registry-static NPM mirroring project, in order to make it useful for our infrastructure. It's maintained by infra and myself, and they're more or less in functional maintenance right now (updates, bug fixes, and library upgrades only).15:39
krotscheckAlso, there's a new project called karma-subunit-reporter that's being proposed here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327945/15:39
krotscheckAny questions on those?15:39
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yujunznope15:40
krotscheckAlright, and last we have the JavaScript SDK projects.15:40
krotscheckThey consists of tooling for the NPM/Github community who want to build Node/Browser apps that interface with our API's.15:41
krotscheckthere's eslint-config-openstack, which is OpenStack's language rules.15:41
krotscheckAny questions on that one?15:41
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yujunzes5?15:41
krotscheckBoth, now, actually. vkramskikh has been proposing es6 rules.15:42
yujunzOK, does it include also jsxlint which would apply for react based projects15:43
krotscheckI... don't know. vkramskikh?15:43
vkramskikhmaybe you meant jsxhint?15:43
* krotscheck vaguely remembers a JSX flag there somwhere sometime.15:44
yujunzyes15:44
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vkramskikhit's actually not needed anymore since eslint has all necessary things, including plugin for linting JSX15:44
yujunzok, got it15:44
vkramskikhhttps://github.com/yannickcr/eslint-plugin-react here it is, and Fuel UI uses it15:44
krotscheckOh nice!15:44
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krotscheckNext is js-generator-openstack, which... well, I want it to have a bunch of different jobs.15:45
krotscheckIn its simplest form it's a yeoman generator for OpenStack javascript projects.15:46
krotscheckAs in, "I want to build something against the OpenStack API's, where do I get started.15:46
krotscheckSecretly, however, it'll also handle things like keeping our javascript versions synchronized, much like the requirements.txt proposal bot.15:46
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krotscheckIn other words, re-running it against a project will update it.15:47
krotscheckI had a video that I used to pitch it to my bosses.... youtube.com/watch?v=qcgvKIj4Ins&feature=youtu.be15:48
krotscheckAny questions on that?15:48
yujunzWhat if there is a version conflict between different projects?15:49
krotscheckyujunz: Well, the hope is that we'll automate this over time, and individual projects can subscribe to it.15:49
krotscheckI'm guessing that there'll be a major and maintained release for the generator for newton, Ocata, etc - most OpenSTack release cycles.15:50
krotscheckBut, well, that's all still up for discussion.15:50
yujunzSo the target is all subscribers are aligned in the same version of dependency15:50
krotscheckYep, if they so choose.15:51
yujunzOK, they have a choice15:51
krotscheckThe dependency alignment I expect will really only be used inside of openstack to keep our released artifacts in sync15:51
krotscheckGood thought though, we should probably add a 'manage-dependencies' flag to the generator.15:52
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krotscheckWe're running low on time, so I'm goign to move on.15:52
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krotscheckjs-openstack-lib: Is BRAND NEW, and is in response ot the death of libcloud.15:52
krotscheckWell, not death. I spoke to the maintainer last week though and he told me that it's basically done.15:53
krotscheckThe hope here is that it'll be the core of a JavaScript SDK15:53
krotscheckHowever, no real design decisions have been made yet, except "We can't be opinionated about the engine or the framework"15:53
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vkramskikhso I think other important decisions will be made on the next meeting here?15:54
krotscheckvkramskikh: Yep. THis meeting seems to be mostly intorductory15:54
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krotscheckThere was too much to cover.15:55
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krotscheckAny questions on this? I'd like to do 5 minutes of open discussion if we can.15:55
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krotscheckI'll take that as a no:15:56
krotscheck#topic Open Discussion15:56
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krotscheckAnyone have questions, comments, concerns, things they really want to bring up next session?15:56
vkramskikhI think 5 minutes is not enough, it should take about ~30 - there are lots of decisions need to be made :)15:56
yujunzAny homepage for the javascript group?15:57
vkramskikhI believe we should start the next meeting with discussion of js-openstacklib15:57
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krotscheckvkramskikh: Let's put it on the agneda :)15:57
yujunzNeed a place to gather all information15:57
krotscheckyujunz: Not yet, no.15:57
krotscheckOther than the etherpads.15:57
krotscheckWe could probably grab a wiki...15:57
Zara+1 , easier to find the url again15:58
krotscheckAlrightey, anyone want to set that up?15:59
krotscheckWe can use the Python-OpenStackSDK wiki structure as a template.15:59
krotscheckOoookay. I guess I'm doing that.15:59
Zarahah, I went looking around and couldn't find where to add it16:00
krotscheck#action vkramskikh Get js-openstacklib onto next weeks' agenda16:00
krotscheck#action krotscheck Get a wiki up16:00
krotscheckThat's time!16:00
krotscheckTodles everyone!16:00
krotscheck#endmeeting16:00
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yujunzGood night.16:00
yujunzperfect time controling16:00
krotscheckSleep tight!16:00
Zarao/16:00
sc`#startmeeting openstack_chef16:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 13 16:01:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sc`. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
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sc`morning/afternoon!16:01
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sc`we have a couple of items to cover today16:09
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sc`#topic stable/mitaka16:09
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sc`most of the cookbooks were cut a couple of weeks ago. repo is going to be merged today, and we can consider this one released16:10
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sc`#topic moving forward with newton16:12
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sc`rdo has packages for newton that i've spun in a local modified copy of repo. allinone and multi_node worked last time i ran it16:13
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jklarei think ubuntu will also have newton packages soon16:15
jklarei think i saw some in proposed16:15
jklarebut imo we should first try to move to xenial with what we have for the ubuntu side16:15
sc`yup. i see it too16:15
jklareand then go for newton packages16:16
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sc`i agree. get xenial and mitaka working, then switch over to the newton packages and see what breaks16:16
jklarei also pushed up some more changes for stable/mitaka since i forgot to update the bootstrap.sh16:17
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jklareafter that and the additional patch for the chef-repo is merged, we should be finished with mitaka16:17
sc`excellent16:17
jklarealthough we probably still want to backport some stuff16:17
jklarei would like to include telemetry16:17
sc`yeah. we'll want to backport some things16:17
sc`telemetry is a good one, any changes to ci would also be good16:18
jklarebut i am quite sure that this will not work on trusty16:18
jklareat least not with gnocchi16:18
sc`yeah. right. no gnocchi packages for trusty16:18
jklarei pushed a patch to switch to database instead of gnocchi as a dispatcher16:18
jklareso maybe we can merge it this way into stable/mitaka and try to get it to work on xenial with gnocchi16:19
sc`sounds good16:19
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jklarehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/320981/16:19
jklareat least the tempest ceilometer tests seem to work, not sure what they are actually doing16:20
sc`:D16:20
jklarei will try to add some Rake tests tomorrow16:20
jklarequery the API and stuff16:20
jklareits not great, but its something16:20
sc`cool. yeah. some smoke tests like that will work for the meantime16:21
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sc`#topic bumping chefdk16:23
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sc`as i said at the design summit, i'd like to bump chefdk. i'm already looking at style/lint/unit. so far it doesn't seem to be a complete dumpster fire16:24
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sc`nobody likes style patches, but i'll be proposing some this week16:26
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jklaresounds great16:27
sc`i already introduced a change for a 'provisioning' cookbook, which is the only way i can chain chef-provisioning recipes like we are used to16:28
sc`it works with chefdk 0.14.25, which is the latest available16:30
jklarelooks quite complicated16:30
jklarebut if its the only way16:30
sc`very :)16:30
sc`not really. it's just dropping the vagrant_linux.rb and allinone/multi-node.rb in a cookbook format and calling it like that16:31
sc`just another layer of abstraction16:31
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sc`that's all i have16:34
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sc`#topic open discussion16:34
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sc`anything more from your side jklare?16:34
jklarei guess not16:35
sc`sounds good. thanks for joining :)16:35
sc`#endmeeting16:35
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jroll#startmeeting ironic17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 13 17:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
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JayFo/17:00
jrollohai17:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'17:00
jlvillalo/17:00
rpioso\o17:00
NobodyCamo/17:00
pas-hao/17:00
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jrollas always, the agenda:17:00
TheJuliao/17:00
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jroll#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting17:00
rama_yo/17:00
devanandao/17:00
sambettso/17:00
jroll#topic announcements and reminders17:00
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milano/17:00
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jrollreminder that our midcycle is next week!17:01
vsaienkoo/17:01
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jrollthe etherpad is here:17:01
jroll#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-midcycle17:01
jrollplease rsvp if possible17:01
jroll(at the bottom)17:02
jrollalso, if you have topics to discuss, please add them17:02
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rlooso wrt 0000 timeslot. if no one rsvp's for only that one, we should cancel.17:03
jroll++17:03
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JayFGood call17:03
* milan is the only one with beer preference :-/17:03
rloowrt what will be discussed and when they will be discussed, when will that be decided?17:03
jrollrloo: first 30 minutes?17:03
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jrollI'd like to go over the priorities first, other than that I'm not opinionated when we discuss things17:04
rloojroll: fine with me.17:04
* rloo hopes 30 min is enough time. we will *focus* :)17:04
devanandaI'm sad that I will miss a bunch of the midcycle17:04
NobodyCamI sm only able to make the first two days17:05
* rloo said that deva sad17:05
NobodyCams/sm/am17:05
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jrollanother announcement: grenade is now in our check pipeline, non-voting \o/17:06
dtantsur\o/17:06
JayF\o/17:06
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jrollhuge thanks to everyone that contributed to that, especially vdrok and vsaienko :)17:06
jlvillal:)17:06
NobodyCamGreat work everyone :)17:06
rloofor those that cannot make it the entire time, it might be useful for you to indicate what you are interested in participating in (in case you can't be there the first 30 min)17:06
gabriel-bezerra\o/17:06
xavierrcongratulations guys :)17:06
wajdi_congrats on the grenade work guys. That's great!17:07
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devanandaso many thanks to the folks who worked on that. great stuff!17:07
rloo++++ thanks everyone :D17:07
sambetts\o/17:07
jrollany other announcements/reminders?17:08
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vdrok#pixiesay -m rnr17:09
vdrok:( no pixie17:09
JayFMight be worth mentioning CFP is open or opening soon for the next OpenStack summit if anyone wants to submit anything about Ironic :)17:09
jrollJayF++ it's open through mid-july17:09
dtantsurannouncement: we've dropped support for the old ramdisk17:10
jrolloh YES17:10
jroll++++17:10
NobodyCam++17:10
sambetts\o/ much celebration today17:10
jrollalright, let's move on now17:11
jroll#topic subteam status reports17:11
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jroll#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard17:11
jrollstarts at line 8017:11
gabriel-bezerradtantsur: do you mean iSCSI deployment interface?17:11
dtantsurgabriel-bezerra, no, I only mean the old ramdisk17:11
dtantsurboth deployment methods are supported with IPA17:11
vdrokgabriel-bezerra: heh, that would be bad :)17:11
devanandagabriel-bezerra: IPA ramdisk also supports iscsi-based deployment17:12
gabriel-bezerraOh, I see. Thank you.17:12
rlooso we have 182 RFEs? wow.17:12
dtantsurand growing..17:12
jrollO_o17:13
devanandarloo: yea... lots of development interest ...17:13
jrollI see 108 tagged 'rfe'17:13
JayFHas anyone looked at any metrics yet about the grenade job?17:13
JayFAre they passing regularly?17:13
rloodo we have people setting up the grenade partial job?17:13
dtantsurjroll, it counts Wishlist stuff17:13
jlvillalrloo: On my TODO list17:13
jrollah17:13
dtantsurit's a bit tricky to count stuff with tags in lp API17:14
rloothx jlvillal17:14
jrollfair enough dtantsur17:14
devanandajroll: shal I add a section for policy work to the whiteboard?17:14
rlooi didn't add any of the 'secondary' priorities to the subteam section.17:14
rlooshould i?17:14
jrollI'm not sure, I guess it doesn't hurt17:15
jrollbut that becomes large :)17:15
rloook, i'll add policy etc then.17:15
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jrollok cool, thanks rloo17:15
rlooit is large in the whiteboard, but the actual report isn't usually large (although i am fine if people prove me wrong!)17:15
jrollfair enough!17:16
jrollokay, I don't have questions on this right now17:16
jrollI'd encourage folks to spend review time in the networking work, driver comp spec, boot-from-volume specs17:16
jrollgotta get these specs landed if we want to get code done this cycle17:17
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rloowrt the networking work. since we have grenade working, we should be able to see if it works for networking, right?17:17
devanandarloo: that's the plan17:17
jrollrloo, yep :)17:17
rlooi mean, the grenade tests should show up with the patches?17:17
jrollyes, but I don't think tests have run since grenade moved to check queue17:18
jrollonce it's rebased we should have those results17:18
devanandaI'm looking forward to seeing grenade tests on my policy changes, too :)17:18
rloook, great. will wait for rebase then. and then will start reviewing :)17:18
dtantsurfirst we probably need -2 lifted from the 1st patch17:18
jrollthere's also some stuff with green labels in the "code patches" column on trello, that I'd like to land by n-2 if possible: https://trello.com/b/ROTxmGIc/ironic-newton-priorities17:19
rloooh. active node creation. i think it has one +2. devananda maybe, it'd be quick for you. or yuriy I think.17:19
jrollthis reminds me, I want to release 6.0.0 this week, now that bash ramdisk is gone. any objections?17:19
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jrollif not I'll do that today, I think we're at a good point for that17:20
JayF++ release away17:20
devanandarloo: thanks. I'll take a look - I reviewed that a few times before17:20
JayFquestion: should we release IPA when we do intermediate Ironic releases?17:20
rloodevananda: exactly, that's why i think it'll be quick for you :)17:20
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rlooJayF: we shouldn't have to, but that doesn't answer your question.17:20
NobodyCamJayF: would make sense even if just for consistency sake17:20
rlooJayF: do you think we need to?17:20
jrollI think releasing in lockstep is an anti-pattern, but I'm not opposed to it17:21
rloowe don't release ironic-lib or client at same time?17:21
JayFI don't have a strong opinion in any direction17:21
JayFbut I think we have to assume that people would use new ironic with mitaka ipa if we don't release it17:21
dtantsurwell, we have to release it from time to time...17:21
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JayFwhich means any new things that needed ipa support wouldn't work yet17:21
rloobut maybe we should until we clarify how ipa and ironic work together.17:21
jrollJayF: yep17:21
NobodyCamI feel it just make human things a bit easier as I can check on date then..17:21
JayFI don't mean it like, "I don't expect it to work unless we do"17:22
jrollJayF: we landed the mitaka compatibility thing, right?17:22
JayFI mean it more like "it's a good excsue to do it"17:22
JayFjroll: I believe so, unsure about on stable17:22
jrollthere's no stable work for that17:22
jrollI guess I'll release it anyway to get it out17:22
NobodyCam:)17:22
jrollbut I don't think we should force ourselves to tie them together in the future17:22
JayFYeah I only made that comment b/c it's a good opportunity to17:22
jroll++17:22
jrollI'll check ironic-lib and the client too17:23
JayFI will wanna re-release it as well when/if I get new stable coreos working :/17:23
jroll++17:23
JayF(that's an uphill climb, btw)17:23
jrollyeah17:23
jrollwe're veering off topic, anything else on subteam things?17:23
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jrollno other agenda topics, so17:24
jroll#topic open discussion17:24
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jrollanyone got anythign?17:24
NobodyCam:)17:24
thiagopI do. Would love if someone can spend some review time on the Dynamic allocation for Oneview patch17:24
thiagophttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/286192/17:25
thiagopNow it has periodics to handle some situations, as requested.17:25
NobodyCamother then ask for reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27265817:25
JayFI published some example hardware managers, with some pretty extensive docs comments/gotchas in there17:25
JayFplease see the mailing list post17:25
JayFmy question would be: should this/can this live in openstack/ ?17:25
JayFI'm thinking maybe as a "cookiecutter" type repo for IPA Hardware Managers, clone-and-build your own HWM plugin17:26
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devanandamy work on adding keystone policy support is almost done17:26
jrollJayF: it certainly can, I don't have a strong opinion if it should other than lottery factor17:27
devanandaneed to fix one or two things, and get a spec and docs up, but should be good to go by EOW, I hope17:27
thiagopdevananda: do it have a patch already?17:27
jrollJayF: I'd ack it if proposed, though17:27
JayFjroll: lottery factor?17:27
* jlvillal likes the idea in principle on a "Cookiecutter" type repo. If feasible.17:27
thiagopdoes it*17:27
jrollJayF: like bus factor but winning the lottery, you taught me this :)17:28
JayFoh yeah, lol17:28
devanandathiagop: yes17:28
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devanandathiagop: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325599/17:28
thiagopdevananda: thanks, I'll take a look17:28
devanandathanks!17:29
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NobodyCamoh...we should bring up the cleaning bug we found last week: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/159014617:29
openstackLaunchpad bug 1590146 in Ironic "A timed out cleaning cannot be retried successfully" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Julia Kreger (juliaashleykreger)17:29
TheJuliahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/327403/17:29
devanandaNobodyCam: ouch :(17:30
NobodyCamyea17:30
JayFthat's just waiting on core reviews, it seems, 1x+2 2x+1 (including mine)17:30
jrollthat's fun17:30
JayFjroll: ^ we should not release until that's merged17:30
jrollyep17:30
* jroll adds to list17:30
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jlvillalHas anyone made any progress on the intermittent gate issue?17:31
rloojlvillal: which issue is that?17:31
JayFhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/159013917:31
openstackLaunchpad bug 1590139 in Ironic "gate job fails when unable to start apache service during horizon setup" [Undecided,New]17:31
jlvillalApache restart fails intermittently in Horizon17:31
JayFI don't think anyone's worked on it, but I haven't seen it happen much more either17:31
rloois it just ironic?17:31
JayFwhich makes me wonder if our bug is a dupe and it was fixed in horizon/devstack17:31
jrollI saw one or two this weekend17:31
jlvillalThat I don't know.17:31
JayFah so still ongoing, but very intermittant17:31
jrollrather likely friday, noticed over the weekend17:32
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thiagopAre we using horizon on our gate's devstack?17:32
thiagopif so, why?17:32
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rlooi see that jay proposed an elastic-recheck query for it but it didn't get in. yet.17:32
jrollgreat question :)17:32
jrollI suspect folks need to be poked about e-r reviews given it's a low churn project17:33
JayFrloo: elastic-recheck itself has been broken apparently for a while17:33
dtantsurI think some projects are installed by default: nova, keystone, horizon...17:33
devanandaI believe it's there by default17:33
JayFrloo: tests are broken and the patch has been collecting dust for weeks that fixes them17:33
JayFrloo: so I moved focus to other things; hard enough to get reviews when there isn't a dep chain to get tests working at all :/17:34
rlooJayF: ok, just too bad.17:34
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jrollI mean... if you ask sdague to take a look I'm sure he'd be happy to help17:34
* jroll pokes -qa channel17:35
thiagopCan we disable horizon in our jobs too? It's good to have a bug, but it seems useless to have horizon in the Ironic gate..17:35
* thiagop thinks "good" wasn't a good choice of words17:36
JayFI think that's a pretty good idea, thiagop, I'd review a patch to project-config to change that behavior if you wanted to push it17:36
devanandajlvillal: running that e-r query manually, I do not see any hits in last 7d17:36
jlvillaldevananda: I couldn't get that search to work for me.17:37
devanandajlvillal: ah17:37
jlvillaldevananda: Even though i saw failures17:37
thiagopJayF: I can do that </endwarcraftquote>17:37
devanandajlvillal: I wonder if e-r is indexing the output of hte tests in which those failures occurred17:37
jlvillaldevananda: I keep getting upset at logstash, as I fail to get it to work :(17:37
jrollanything else for the meeting at this point? we can work on this bug in channel :)17:38
rloothere was a bug about apache not starting, but in 2014: https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1340660.17:38
openstackLaunchpad bug 1340660 in devstack "Apache failed to start in the gate" [Undecided,Fix committed]17:38
jlvillaldevananda: Maybe, do you know how to find out? Who to ask?17:38
JayFdevananda: yeah, other half of that is my query is not so good17:38
devanandajlvillal:  Last Elastic Search Index Update: Thu Jun 09 2016 10:29:56 GMT-0700 (PDT)  .....17:38
JayFdevananda: I had it working, copied it out, and then it stopped working17:38
JayFkibana :(17:38
devanandajroll: ++ to moving on17:38
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jrollanything else?17:40
NobodyCamsay thank you :)17:41
NobodyCamhehehe17:41
NobodyCam:p17:41
jrollthanks :D17:41
jroll#endmeeting17:41
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clarkbjlvillal: the reason that query fails is there is no single message that matches the two messages you ahve ANDed together17:41
jlvillalJayF: ^^^17:42
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jlvillalclarkb: Thanks!17:42
JayFthanks!17:42
clarkbjlvillal: you have message one and message two and they are distinct so anding them together doesn't resolve to true17:42
jlvillals/jlvillal/JayF/ ;)17:42
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JayFgotcha17:42
clarkbah sorry I mixed up my scrollback17:43
JayFso it's not like, over a whole log file17:43
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JayFit's a single message17:43
JayFwhich I should be clever enough to know on my own but it didn't click17:43
devanandaJayF: yes17:43
JayFthanks17:43
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devanandaclarkb: status page says elk's last update was thursday last week?17:44
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clarkbdevananda: logstash.o.o has current events looks like17:45
clarkbdevananda: gonna guess that e-r broke their status page updates17:45
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devanandaheh17:45
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flwang1#startmeeting zaqar18:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 13 18:00:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is flwang1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'zaqar'18:00
flwang1#topic roll call18:00
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flwang1o/18:00
flwang1anybody around?18:01
Eva-io/18:01
flwang1Eva-i: seems only you and me18:01
vkmco/18:01
vkmcand me18:01
Eva-ivkmc: hey =)18:01
flwang1vkmc: ah, hello18:01
flwang1here is the agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zaqar-meeting-agenda18:01
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flwang1firstly, i would like to say i did a bad job in Mitaka release for the release job18:03
flwang1we missed all the release notes :(18:03
Eva-i=/18:04
vkmcouch yeh18:04
vkmcthat was something new18:04
flwang1and there is almost no way to fix it, though i'm still working on that to figure out a way to do it18:04
vkmcI saw them in Trove18:04
flwang1and the good thing is in Newton, we will/need force all the critical bug and features patches have the release notes before merging or at least with a followup patch18:05
Eva-iit's okay, let's make Newton release nice18:05
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flwang1so pls keep an eye when you review code18:05
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flwang1i may make mistake so i need more eyes to monitor, thanks18:06
Eva-iflwang1: only info about critical bugs and features should be added to release notes?18:06
flwang1Eva-i: technically, anything the end user should be aware of, like upgrade, deprecation,etc18:07
Eva-iflwang1: okay18:07
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flwang1#topic code review18:09
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flwang1as you may know, in our server side, we are using the functional test of zaqar client for gate job18:10
flwang1and sometimes it's causing the interdependent issue especially when adding a new feature18:11
flwang1recently, we just enabled the tempest job18:11
flwang1and then, we have switched the voting of tempest job and the functional test job18:11
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flwang1so the interdependent issue has gone, just FYI18:12
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flwang1and the good thing is we have contributor for the tempest case https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319825/18:13
flwang1it's not a small patch, but not very complicated, pls give it some love :) or bless ;)18:13
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Eva-iflwang1: first the redis bugs should be fixed?18:14
flwang1Eva-i: yes18:14
Eva-iflwang1: before giving it love18:14
Eva-iflwang1: ok18:14
flwang1that's the cost of love :D18:14
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flwang1and we have two websocket patches on the list https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326897/ and  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326272/18:15
flwang1the first one is related to auth issue, i have reviewed by haven't submitted comments18:15
* vkmc clicks18:16
flwang1the 2nd one is removing the subscriptions after closing connection which is the one vkmc and i discussed when she worked on the demo on Paris summit, IIRC18:16
Eva-iMy plan is: 1. Upload install guide in proper format 2. Review redis patches of bugs stopping tempest gate from passing 3. Review websocket patches.18:17
vkmcflwang1, +118:17
flwang1Eva-i: good to know :)18:17
flwang1vkmc: so pls help review them, since you're the expert of websocket code ;)18:17
vkmcflwang1, sure thing18:18
flwang1vkmc: <318:18
flwang1and this one https://review.openstack.org/308736   a client patch related to the version parsing18:19
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flwang1pls pls pls review it today, since i would like to release a new version for zaqar client asap,    because we have merged the 'queue update'  patch for client side18:19
flwang1we need a new client version asap18:20
Eva-ioh okay18:20
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flwang1you know, now it's the mid of Newton18:20
flwang1ok, any patch we should highlight?18:21
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Eva-iflwang1: I think you highlighted the last patch mentioned18:22
flwang1cool :D18:22
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flwang1#topic spec/features18:22
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flwang11. we have merged the lazy queue support for subscription, yeah!!! thanks Eva-i18:23
Eva-iyay18:23
flwang1generally, that said Eva-i has resource to do more :D hah18:25
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vkmcEva-i++18:25
vkmc:)18:25
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flwang12. subscription confirmation  https://review.openstack.org/28455518:27
flwang1i think it's ready to be merged and i'm going to approve it today if there is no big concern about it18:27
flwang1we can adjust/discuss the details when doing code review18:28
flwang1generally, the spec is in a good shape now18:28
flwang1any comments?18:28
Eva-iI will look at it after highlighted patch18:28
flwang1Eva-i: ok, thanks18:31
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flwang1pls -1 if you have big concern about it, otherwise let's don't block it and discuss details in code review18:32
Eva-iflwang1: ok, I understand18:32
flwang1it has been reviewed for a long time, we need it in Newton18:32
flwang1cool, thanks for the understanding18:33
flwang13. Notification driver for Mistral   https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318202/18:33
flwang1the one is in good shape now18:33
flwang1i would like to approve it if there is no object18:33
flwang1we don't have a volunteer now18:34
flwang1so i may take it and hold on the dead letter queue for a while18:34
flwang1Eva-i: vkmc: flaper87: if you are interested in this, pls let me know18:35
Eva-iI do not object, because don't know much =/18:35
flwang1Eva-i: :)18:35
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vkmcsame here, I'd need to catch up with that use cse18:36
flwang1Eva-i: vkmc: no problem, just ping if you want to join the coding18:36
vkmc+118:36
vkmcthanks flwang118:36
flwang14. v1.1 deprecation  which flaper87 is working on that18:36
flwang1though the last patch set is 3 months ago18:37
flwang1#link https://review.openstack.org/29461118:37
flwang1i may upload a new patch set to that one to make it happen in N-218:37
flwang1so that we have time to fix any regression bug in N-318:37
flwang1pls star it on gerrit :D18:38
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flwang1that's an important patch for zaqar18:38
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flwang1ok, any topic from your side?18:39
flwang1#topic open discussion18:40
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flwang1we have 20 mins for open discussion18:40
flwang1i have one topic fit this section18:40
flwang1i would like to nominate therve for zaqar core18:41
vkmc:o18:41
flwang1vkmc: Eva-i: flaper87: comments?18:41
vkmctotally18:41
vkmc+118:41
vkmcso very much in18:41
vkmc:D18:41
Eva-iflwang1: I'm okay18:41
flwang1vkmc: i'm not sure if it's a bad idea, TBH18:41
Eva-iflwang1: I thought he was Zaqar core18:41
flwang1Eva-i: he is PTL of Heat18:42
flwang1he has contributed a lot of code/patches for zaqar, especially for the websocket part18:42
flwang1and most of them are critical patches18:42
flwang1and he is always active in zaqar channel for critical bugs18:43
flwang1and answer questions for new comers18:43
flwang1the only 'issue' is he didn't do much code review18:43
flwang1and the 'core' in openstack means 'core reviewer'18:43
Eva-immm18:44
flwang1but18:44
flwang1i'm sure he is totally qualified18:44
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flwang1TBH, even we don't nominate him18:45
flwang1he will still be around and continually doing the great job18:45
Eva-iI think so18:45
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flwang1so the nomination is most like a recognition for his contribution18:45
flwang1does that make sense?18:46
Eva-iYes, it does18:47
flwang1and it's a good thing to have a team member from heat which is the good consumer of zaqar18:47
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flwang1Eva-i: vkmc: flaper87: ok, so i think we're in agreement for this proposal :) and thanks18:48
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flwang1and another topic is Barcelona summit is calling for topics18:49
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Eva-immm, I don't have topics to propose now18:51
flwang1Eva-i: it's a reminder, we should propose some topics about zaqar :)18:51
flwang1like we usually do18:52
Eva-iflwang1: I think I should mark as "-1" this spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284555.18:52
flwang1what's wrong?18:52
Eva-iflwang1: mostly because it lacks information about "web page with ajax script".18:52
flwang1Eva-i: oh, why do you think it's a problem?18:53
Eva-iflwang1: where this page will be hosted and should we add additional option to zaqar.18:53
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flwang1Eva-i: hmm... it deserves a -118:55
flwang1but like we discussed before, we will host a sample in zaqar tree and maybe move it to zaqar ui in the future18:55
flwang1and we do need a config for the place which will be a part of the email template18:56
flwang1Eva-i: does that make sense?18:56
Eva-iflwang1: so I will ask wanghao to include this info18:56
Eva-iflwang1: yes, it does make sense for me, but the spec omits this18:56
flwang1Eva-i: yep, agree18:56
Eva-iflwang1: okay18:56
flwang1Eva-i: i forgot if i mentioned that in the comments or the discussion with you18:57
Eva-iflwang1: we have discussed this problem18:57
flwang1but i'm sure i mentioned it somwhere :D18:57
Eva-iflwang1: now I should tell wanghao to include this info18:57
flwang1Eva-i: ok, cool, thanks18:57
flwang1ok, that's all19:00
flwang1thanks all19:00
flwang1#endmeeting19:00
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