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| PaulMurray | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 14 14:02:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is PaulMurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:02 |
| davidgiluk | o/ | 14:03 |
| * andrearosa was not late at all | 14:03 | |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 14:03 |
| andreas_s | hi | 14:03 |
| mdbooth | o/ | 14:03 |
| luis5tb | o/ | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | Sorry guys - I got "reset by peer" at exactly 15:00:52 | 14:03 |
| * kashyap waves | 14:03 | |
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| PaulMurray | remembering where I am.... | 14:03 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | the agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaLiveMigration | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | ...is relatively empty | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | #topic CI | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:04 | |
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| PaulMurray | Does anyone have an update on CI ? | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we know who is working on this right now, maybe tdurakov? | 14:05 |
| diana_clarke | o/ | 14:05 |
| tdurakov | hey | 14:05 |
| PaulMurray | last week mriedem was helping out | 14:05 |
| tdurakov | missed notification | 14:05 |
| PaulMurray | and tdurakov is usually | 14:05 |
| woodster_ | o/ | 14:05 |
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| PaulMurray | tdurakov, we're on CI | 14:05 |
| PaulMurray | do you have an update ? | 14:05 |
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| PaulMurray | last week we were talking about post-config and devstack-gate | 14:06 |
| mriedem | NFS and ceph setup are busted on xeial | 14:06 |
| mriedem | *xenial | 14:06 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327886/ | 14:06 |
| mriedem | i tried skipping NFS but it failed in setting up ceph | 14:07 |
| mriedem | looks like probably an issue with systemd on 16.04 | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | but the stuff before the shared storage is kinda working now? | 14:07 |
| mriedem | i don't have a 16.04 devstack vm available to troubleshoot the scripts | 14:07 |
| mriedem | yes, scenario #1 is working | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | has the instability gone, do we know? | 14:08 |
| mriedem | so i guess our option is skip nfs and ceph (2-4) | 14:08 |
| mriedem | i don't know that yet | 14:08 |
| mriedem | until we can get the job passing | 14:08 |
| mriedem | i have a bug open for the NFS setup issue | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right, thats what I wondered | 14:08 |
| mriedem | i might as well open one for ceph, and then skip both until someone fixes them | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | its very tempting to get *something* passing soon to check that | 14:08 |
| mriedem | yeah, agree | 14:08 |
| mriedem | i can update that patch to skip ceph also | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, ping me if those patches apear | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | awesome | 14:09 |
| PaulMurray | thanks mriedem | 14:09 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, mriedem nfs potential fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329466/ | 14:09 |
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| mriedem | tdurakov: ok i'll keep an eye on that | 14:10 |
| * johnthetubaguy nods | 14:10 | |
| PaulMurray | Anything else happening in CI ? | 14:10 |
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| PaulMurray | moving on | 14:11 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Libvirt Storage Pools | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Libvirt Storage Pools (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:11 | |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, ? | 14:11 |
| mriedem | i have an item in our kanban this week to focus on reviewing the imagebackend refactor series | 14:11 |
| mdbooth | diana_clarke has a series posted | 14:12 |
| mriedem | so, harassing me to review those this week is fair game :) | 14:12 |
| mdbooth | It's all green except for virtuozzo | 14:12 |
| mdbooth | Looks like we might have a real bug there | 14:12 |
| PaulMurray | will it block you ? | 14:12 |
| mdbooth | We don't currently see any blockers | 14:13 |
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| mdbooth | Actively looking for review there | 14:13 |
| mriedem | has anyone talked to mnestratov? | 14:13 |
| mdbooth | As previously noted, we don't have coverage of the flat backend yet, but that's in hand | 14:13 |
| mdbooth | I understand, anyway? | 14:14 |
| mriedem | not really | 14:14 |
| mriedem | depends on post-config working in devstack-gate | 14:14 |
| mriedem | which is not sounding like a priority for the QA team, and i haven't been trying to help out there, and don't really want to keep bugging sdague about it | 14:15 |
| mdbooth | If that stalls, what's the impact on us? | 14:15 |
| mdbooth | Would we make that a blocker? | 14:15 |
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| sdague | mriedem: I've been working through it, it's close | 14:15 |
| mriedem | mdbooth: i don't think we'd make it a blocker no | 14:16 |
| mdbooth | Could we, perhaps, have a certain level of confidence by running tempest against it manually? | 14:16 |
| mdbooth | It's not as if we're reducing test coverage | 14:16 |
| mriedem | mdbooth: was just going to say that | 14:16 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326585/ passes everything but multinode, but it could use more hands to move it faster | 14:16 |
| mriedem | sdague: yikes i need to drop those kilo jobs :) | 14:17 |
| sdague | mriedem: heh, yeh, there will be stable backports to devstack / grenade to make it all work completely in the end | 14:17 |
| mdbooth | diana_clarke is currently busy, but I wonder if she's up for setting up a private tempest environment for the flat backend | 14:17 |
| mdbooth | Would you take our word on it that it passed? | 14:17 |
| mriedem | i trust no one | 14:18 |
| mriedem | j/k, sort of | 14:18 |
| mdbooth | Understandable, and very wise | 14:18 |
| mriedem | honestly i wouldn't block on that unless i personally found the time to test it out too | 14:18 |
| mriedem | which probably won't happen | 14:18 |
| sdague | I do think if we aren't regressing test coverage we should move forward, and just know what we need to get in place before the end of cycle to feel confident | 14:18 |
| mdbooth | Yeah. I'd prefer to see it pass at least once, but we already risk breaking it every time we touch it anyway. | 14:18 |
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| mriedem | i think there are ways i could test this out upstream too | 14:19 |
| mriedem | with some WIP patches to d-g | 14:19 |
| mriedem | we've done that before | 14:19 |
| sdague | mriedem: is this just needing post config to flip a nova bit? | 14:19 |
| sdague | we can definitely do one off tests for that in upstream | 14:19 |
| mriedem | sdague: yeah, but honestly i could just do a WIP devstack change that sets the images_type=flat and depend on the top of the refactor series | 14:19 |
| sdague | mriedem: yeh | 14:19 |
| mriedem | when that passes we throw the patch away | 14:19 |
| mriedem | same as glance v2 | 14:20 |
| mriedem | mdbooth: so i'll just do that | 14:20 |
| sdague | right, I think that's completely acceptable approach | 14:20 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: Awesome, thanks. | 14:20 |
| mriedem | #action write one off devstack change ot test image backend refactor series with flat type | 14:20 |
| sdague | until we get the rest of the test infrastructure retooled | 14:20 |
| mriedem | #undo | 14:20 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: Will it require mriedem's magic key, or if you document the hack could we rerun it? | 14:20 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to write one off devstack change ot test image backend refactor series with flat type | 14:20 |
| mriedem | mdbooth: it's pretty simple, i'll just add you to the review when it's up | 14:21 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: diana_clarke too, please | 14:21 |
| mriedem | just set a flag in devstack and add the depends-on in the commit message | 14:21 |
| mriedem | sure | 14:21 |
| PaulMurray | Thanks mriedem mdbooth | 14:21 |
| PaulMurray | are we done with that ? | 14:22 |
| mriedem | yeah | 14:22 |
| mdbooth | yup | 14:22 |
| PaulMurray | I know it comes after but I always worry about plans for the storage pools part | 14:22 |
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| PaulMurray | as the specs haven't changed recently | 14:22 |
| PaulMurray | paul-carlton2, are you there ? | 14:22 |
| andrearosa | PaulMurray: I think he is not available for the meeting today | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | Maybe I can catch up with him later | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | thanks andrearosa | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Review request | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review request (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:23 | |
| pkoniszewski | I put all three items there for review | 14:24 |
| PaulMurray | there are a few on the list | 14:24 |
| PaulMurray | pkoniszewski, anything to say about them ? | 14:24 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234659/ | 14:24 |
| pkoniszewski | yeah, just short comments | 14:24 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328910/ | 14:24 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/libvirt-clean-driver | 14:25 |
| pkoniszewski | first of all, patch that fixes tunnelled block live migration is merged into master, backport to mitaka was conflicting so i'd ask for some eyes there as i don't want to miss anything - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328910/ | 14:25 |
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| pkoniszewski | given that we are broken out of the box in mitaka... | 14:26 |
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| pkoniszewski | second thing is that we are a bit stuck with luis5tb implementing automatic live migration completion, especially post-copy bits because live migraiton monitor is super complex and it starts to break pep8 | 14:26 |
| pkoniszewski | danpb proposed series of patches to split monitor into methods, so before we move forward with automatic live migration completion we need to have monitor split https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/libvirt-clean-driver | 14:27 |
| pkoniszewski | and the last is that i finally managed to make live migration working with iso9660 config drive, patch is up for review - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234659/ | 14:28 |
| pkoniszewski | thats all | 14:28 |
| pkoniszewski | thanks :) | 14:28 |
| PaulMurray | are they on the review page ? | 14:28 |
| luis5tb | ok, I'll rebase the post-copy patches to include danpb patch on live migration monitoring | 14:28 |
| pkoniszewski | not yet | 14:28 |
| pkoniszewski | i'll put all of them | 14:28 |
| * mriedem runs to another meeting | 14:28 | |
| PaulMurray | thanks | 14:28 |
| PaulMurray | Anyone have any other reviews to mention | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | ? | 14:29 |
| * mdbooth has some incidental to some aob | 14:29 | |
| PaulMurray | moving on | 14:30 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Open Discussion | 14:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:30 | |
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| PaulMurray | I had one thing on the agenda | 14:30 |
| PaulMurray | related to: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097016.html | 14:31 |
| * mdbooth has a thing, but didn't put it on the agenda :/ | 14:31 | |
| * PaulMurray I've got it in mind | 14:31 | |
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| PaulMurray | That thread is about sync issues in live migration fucntions | 14:31 |
| PaulMurray | it reminded me that we had a situation where pre_live_migration was running at the same time as rollback | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | due to RP timeouts | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | s/RP/RPC/ | 14:32 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: I think that's a scheduler thing. live migration is just a trigger. | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, well the point is that there are other sync issues | 14:32 |
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| PaulMurray | besides the resource counting | 14:33 |
| PaulMurray | I wanted to check if that was being looked at | 14:33 |
| mdbooth | So, forgive my high level ignorance here. Is resource tracker co-located with the scheduler? | 14:33 |
| PaulMurray | no | 14:33 |
| mdbooth | i.e. it's not running on the compute host, right | 14:33 |
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| PaulMurray | its on the compute host | 14:33 |
| mdbooth | It *is* running on the compute host? | 14:33 |
| mdbooth | Oh.... in that case it might be interesting | 14:33 |
| PaulMurray | resource tracker is supposed to be the source of truth for resource consumption | 14:34 |
| PaulMurray | but it does refresh | 14:34 |
| mdbooth | Sources of truth shouldn't need refreshes | 14:34 |
| PaulMurray | so I guess the ypervisor is really source of truth for resources | 14:34 |
| PaulMurray | and DB is source for their consumption | 14:35 |
| PaulMurray | based on what instances are supposed to be on the hsot | 14:35 |
| PaulMurray | the resource tracker just calculates from there | 14:35 |
| PaulMurray | there has been a debate about moving the tracking to the scheduler instead | 14:36 |
| PaulMurray | but that has not been done | 14:36 |
| * mdbooth doesn't understand how info from the resource tracker is consumed by the scheduler. | 14:36 | |
| mdbooth | It sounds to me like the symptom is that the scheduler is sending an instance somewhere which can't handle it. | 14:36 |
| PaulMurray | that should be ok | 14:37 |
| PaulMurray | because the compute manager checks it fits when it accepts it | 14:37 |
| PaulMurray | ...and sends it back for a rescheduler if it doesn't | 14:37 |
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| PaulMurray | My concern was that the migration functions don't have synchronization | 14:38 |
| PaulMurray | like the boot/delete etc. do | 14:39 |
| PaulMurray | so you can do more than one operation on the instance at a time by mistake | 14:39 |
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| PaulMurray | is tdurakov still here ? | 14:40 |
| tdurakov | yes | 14:40 |
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| PaulMurray | tdurakov, this all seems relevant to the refactor you are doing | 14:40 |
| tdurakov | race discussed on ml? | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | more sync in general | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | between live migration functions and other operations | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | tdurakov, or do you think its seperate issue | 14:42 |
| tdurakov | well, need to look closely, but briefly yes, it's connected | 14:43 |
| PaulMurray | ok - we can talk later | 14:43 |
| * tdurakov stared ml, will respond later | 14:44 | |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, do you want to do your item now ? | 14:44 |
| mdbooth | Yeah, I'm looking at trying to consolidate driver._create_image and driver._create_images_and_backing | 14:44 |
| mdbooth | They both do very similar things slightly differently | 14:44 |
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| mdbooth | The critical difference I'm interested in is that _create_images_and_backing uses libvirt xml as source of truth | 14:45 |
| mdbooth | _create_image uses bdms/instance | 14:45 |
| mdbooth | live migration uses the former | 14:45 |
| mdbooth | Can anybody think of any reason those 2 might get out of whack? | 14:46 |
| mdbooth | In the process of investigating this, I'm intending to write up a ml post describing the various different block device data structures, what they are and where they come from | 14:46 |
| PaulMurray | Don't know | 14:47 |
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| mdbooth | Couple of cleanup patches I wrote while digging: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329366/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329381/ | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | I think the xml is not really supposed to be source of truth ? | 14:47 |
| mdbooth | latter is pretty egregious | 14:47 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: That's also my understanding, looking for edge cases | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | Do you know why it takes xml as truth ? | 14:48 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: No. | 14:49 |
| mdbooth | Which makes me slightly nervous. | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | paul-carlton2, realised something similar with live migrate rescued | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | rescue keeps the old xml so it can unrescue, but you can just do a hard reboot to rebuild the whole state from stratch instead | 14:50 |
| PaulMurray | so no real need for the old xml | 14:50 |
| mdbooth | Right | 14:50 |
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| mdbooth | They *should* be interchangeable | 14:50 |
| mdbooth | And afaik they are, but I wouldn't be surprised to discover they're not. | 14:50 |
| PaulMurray | I don't know enough about how the xml is generated | 14:51 |
| PaulMurray | maybe if you have a instance in place it needs some ids to stay the same ? | 14:51 |
| mdbooth | Ok, was hoping maybe somebody might know off their head. | 14:51 |
| kashyap | mdbooth: Very nice, just noticed your intention to write-up on different block device data structures in Nova. | 14:51 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, also noticed you nearly lost it this morning :) | 14:52 |
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| mdbooth | PaulMurray: Hehe, cursing bad naming? | 14:52 |
| PaulMurray | Anyway.... anything else for last couple of minutes ? | 14:53 |
| luis5tb | yes | 14:53 |
| luis5tb | Although not in the agenda either | 14:53 |
| luis5tb | While working on the post-copy patches I discovered (what I think is) a bug that may trigger live-migrations abort too early | 14:53 |
| luis5tb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1591240 | 14:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1591240 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "progress_watermark is not updated" [Undecided,New] | 14:53 |
| PaulMurray | luis5tb, are you planning to do the fix ? | 14:54 |
| luis5tb | sure | 14:54 |
| luis5tb | it is just include an extra condition into the if condition | 14:55 |
| PaulMurray | cool | 14:55 |
| luis5tb | once it is confirmed I'll do that | 14:55 |
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| luis5tb | I think it is the part of the code that danpb is moving out of the driver | 14:56 |
| PaulMurray | try having a quick chat with him in the nova channel | 14:56 |
| PaulMurray | if its clear what is wrong you can just do it | 14:56 |
| luis5tb | yep, maybe he can just fix it at the same time he commits his patch | 14:57 |
| luis5tb | ahh, ok, either works | 14:57 |
| PaulMurray | time to end | 14:57 |
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| PaulMurray | thanks everyone for coming | 14:57 |
| PaulMurray | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 14 14:57:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-06-14-14.02.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-06-14-14.02.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-06-14-14.02.log.html | 14:58 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Stable meeting? | 15:03 |
| mriedem1 | tonyb: ? | 15:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | mriedem1: ping | 15:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think tonyb is asleep in Australia | 15:03 |
| mriedem1 | i'm in another meeting at work atm | 15:03 |
| mriedem1 | skip? | 15:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | me too | 15:03 |
| sigmavirus24 | Sure, let's just record that then | 15:04 |
| mriedem1 | as in startmeeting, skip, endmeeting? :) | 15:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | #startmeeting stable | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 14 15:04:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sigmavirus24. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: stable)" | 15:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'stable' | 15:04 |
| mriedem1 | o/ | 15:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | We don't have much of an agenda today and all of us are busy in other meetings. We're skipping this week. | 15:04 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 15:04 |
| ttx | o./ | 15:04 |
| mriedem1 | oh look who shows up :O) | 15:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | As a side note, if you're a CPL, I sent some messages to openstack-dev about periodic jobs that are failing for ceilometer and neutron | 15:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | Some have been failing for days so please check those :) | 15:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | Should we end the meeting or ...? | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | yes | 15:06 |
| mriedem1 | my only update is i still need to clean kilo jobs out of project-config | 15:06 |
| mriedem1 | some of the periodic stable jobs were failing because of pypi mirrors not having packages in them | 15:06 |
| mriedem1 | so if you notice any, ping infra | 15:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | mriedem1: right, I noticed a couple but the ones I sent to openstack-dev were genuine failures | 15:06 |
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| sigmavirus24 | (Especially ceilometer has 10 tests that fail every day now) | 15:07 |
| mriedem1 | sigmavirus24: liberty? i think i tracked that here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker | 15:07 |
| mriedem1 | it's a ceilometer in liberty using latest oslo.messaging b/c they don't use upper-constraints | 15:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | ah | 15:08 |
| mriedem1 | jd said they'd fix or cap | 15:08 |
| mriedem1 | but i don't know that anyone from that team is looking at it | 15:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think I forgot that etherpad existed (if I ever knew it) | 15:08 |
| * sigmavirus24 bookmarks it | 15:08 | |
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| sigmavirus24 | but yes this is liberty | 15:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | Anyone have anything else or should we endmeeting? | 15:09 |
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| ttx | I have nothing | 15:10 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks everyone | 15:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | #endmeeting | 15:14 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 14 15:14:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-06-14-15.04.html | 15:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-06-14-15.04.txt | 15:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-06-14-15.04.log.html | 15:14 |
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