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| dtroyer | #startmeeting openstackclient | 13:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 13:02:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 13:02 |
| dtroyer | Who is here for OSC today? | 13:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 13:02 |
| rtheis | o/ | 13:03 |
| dtroyer | Well, 33% increase over last week :) | 13:04 |
| dtroyer | out of context that sounds great! | 13:04 |
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| dtroyer | #topic 3.0 reviews | 13:05 |
| dtroyer | The initial KSA review and almost all of the osc-lib reviews have merged | 13:05 |
| dtroyer | tangchen's IP commands are getting close | 13:06 |
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| dtroyer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325593/ is a re-work of our release notes to use a major-version organization rather than release cycle. | 13:07 |
| dtroyer | dhellmann is looking at an enhancement to reno that will make this a bit easier, but what we have looks like it will work until then | 13:08 |
| rtheis | lgtm | 13:08 |
| dtroyer | specifically specifying a range of versions to include by adding a latest-version directive | 13:09 |
| dhellmann | approved | 13:09 |
| dhellmann | yes, that's on our to-do list, though it doesn't have a high priority right now so it may be a little while before we get to it | 13:09 |
| dhellmann | our == the release team | 13:10 |
| dtroyer | anything else specific to the 3.x changes? I know there are a couple more ksa-related things, after which I will osc-lib-ify that too | 13:10 |
| dtroyer | thanks dhellmann, no hurry here | 13:10 |
| rtheis | nothing else | 13:10 |
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| dtroyer | I should note, also, in the release note change series I added some directives to simplify bug and doc pointers (back in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325571). | 13:12 |
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| dtroyer | I don't recall if I've mentioned it in a meeting yet, this gets us out of needing full URLs to point back into our docs, and simplifies bug pointers | 13:13 |
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| dtroyer | #topic reviews | 13:13 |
| dhellmann | those custom roles don't translate well to the text version of the release notes used for email announcements, though :-/ | 13:13 |
| dtroyer | Any other reviews we should talk about? | 13:13 |
| rtheis | dtroyer: since they don't translate well should we still use them in the release notes? | 13:14 |
| dtroyer | ah, I didn't know that… should it be different? I didn't want hard-coded URLs in the doc to be able to link back to our dev docs | 13:14 |
| dhellmann | it's a common enough thing to want to do, so it might be something we want to support in reno | 13:14 |
| dhellmann | but yeah, I remember stevemar pointing out issues in the last release announcement email | 13:15 |
| dhellmann | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2016-June/001183.html | 13:15 |
| dtroyer | I'll go back and look at it, I didn't read the notes in the email closely | 13:15 |
| rtheis | I had one review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330223/ | 13:15 |
| rtheis | Sounds like some good stuff here | 13:16 |
| rtheis | Do we play to leverage that in OSC to address the output formatting issues | 13:16 |
| rtheis | *plan | 13:16 |
| dhellmann | rtheis : that's the idea, this was a POC as much as anything | 13:16 |
| rtheis | ok | 13:17 |
| dtroyer | the driver was being able to format human-readable and machine-readable separately, specifcally for the formatters that do not have intelligent dump methods (shell, value, etc) | 13:17 |
| dtroyer | but it would also encapsulate some of the other common things we do | 13:18 |
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| * dhellmann notes that cliff 2.1.0 is building | 13:18 | |
| dtroyer | dhellmann: would you see some of the generic FormattableColumn subclasses going into cliff too? | 13:18 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer : sure | 13:18 |
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| dtroyer | ok, I'll plan for that as we develop them | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | I'm certain we could come up with some generic things like ObjectWithNameAndID or whatever | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | yeah, start with them in OSC and then move them to cliff as we figure out what's generic | 13:19 |
| dtroyer | the ones that are osc-specific will go to osc-lib, but we'll skip that step for generic ones then | 13:20 |
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| dhellmann | well, wherever it makes sense to develop them out of cliff is fine, I just meant you'd iterate faster without needing releases of libs | 13:21 |
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| dhellmann | once we figure out what the base class API needs to look like, we'll need to write docs in cliff too | 13:21 |
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| dtroyer | other reviews? | 13:22 |
| rtheis | nothing else from me | 13:23 |
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| dtroyer | #topic bugs | 13:23 |
| dtroyer | I don't have any specific bugs to discuss... | 13:23 |
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| rtheis | me either | 13:24 |
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| dtroyer | #topic open discussion | 13:24 |
| dtroyer | What else is going on? | 13:24 |
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| rtheis | Slow progress on neutronclient supporting OSC plugin from me, but amotoki was planning to pick it back up | 13:25 |
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| dtroyer | rtheis: I saw something from briancurtin about more refactoring in the SDK, do you know how much he las left to do? | 13:26 |
| rtheis | He has compute out for review. I am hoping to look at that this week | 13:27 |
| rtheis | Once compute is worked out then hopefully things can proceed quickly with the others | 13:27 |
| briancurtin | dtroyer: unfortunately a lot, but it'll accelerate as I do more. working on image now | 13:27 |
| dtroyer | ok, thanks briancurtin. image is the one I am anxious to try out ;) | 13:27 |
| dtroyer | getting rid of glanceclient is high on my list due to its specific depenencies | 13:28 |
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| dtroyer | We have had a couple of reviews for stable branches that are not critical or security things… I think I need to write down our release policy more clearly somewhere… | 13:30 |
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| rtheis | sounds good | 13:30 |
| dtroyer | ok, if nothing else, it's time for breakfast… | 13:31 |
| dtroyer | Thanks guys | 13:31 |
| rtheis | nothing else | 13:31 |
| rtheis | thanks | 13:31 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 13:31 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 13:31:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-06-16-13.02.html | 13:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-06-16-13.02.txt | 13:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-06-16-13.02.log.html | 13:31 |
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| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 14:00:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| elmiko | hi | 14:01 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:01 |
| tosky | hi | 14:01 |
| vgridnev | hi | 14:01 |
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| egafford | o/ | 14:01 |
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| mionkin | hi! | 14:02 |
| vgridnev | #topic News / updates | 14:02 |
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| egafford | o/ tellesnobrega! | 14:03 |
| tellesnobrega | o; | 14:03 |
| tellesnobrega | o/ | 14:03 |
| elmiko | sadly, not much from me, i am working on a presentation for an upcoming conference | 14:03 |
| mionkin | I'm working on adding CDH 5.7 in sahara-elements and in sahara | 14:03 |
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| egafford | I have a validation script for Ambari that's in pretty decent shape; working on getting the image generation script and remote working now that folks seem to be reasonably happy with the spec. | 14:04 |
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| * egafford is probably doing the usual trying-to-get-too-much-of-the-feature-done-before-posting-any-of-the-feature thing. There will be code by early next week, even if it's a little drafty. | 14:04 | |
| tosky | refining jobs for saha-ra-tests | 14:04 |
| elmiko | saha-ra, sounds like a character from one of the mummie movies | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | not so much from me too, I was unable start testing my impl for plugins-api, so now I'm squashing our bugs and making improvements on our gate jobs. | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | so, we have then <= 70 open bugs | 14:05 |
| egafford | vgridnev: That's better than >= 70 open bugs for sure. | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | i'm starting to take a look on storm 1.0.0 so I can bring the newer version to sahara and I will also start a spec to allow python jobs to be run in sahara+storm | 14:06 |
| egafford | Should we have a bug day/week? | 14:06 |
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| egafford | tellesnobrega: \o/ | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | egafford, I guess that we can do that after around of end of N3 milestone | 14:06 |
| tosky | elmiko: Saha-ra, Princess of Power | 14:07 |
| elmiko | hehe, nice! | 14:07 |
| vgridnev | esikachev, are you around? | 14:07 |
| egafford | vgridnev: Sure; maybe if we have a ridiculous number it'd be good to do one earlier, but that sounds good. | 14:08 |
| tosky | vgridnev: good thing; are those 70 all bugs including wishlists? | 14:08 |
| vgridnev | tosky, that includes incomplete's and wishlists | 14:08 |
| vgridnev | do we have other news? | 14:10 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Review priorities | 14:10 |
| vgridnev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-review-priorities | 14:11 |
| vgridnev | so, I think that there is a good change to discuss | 14:11 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326582/ | 14:11 |
| egafford | Yeah, agreed with that. | 14:11 |
| vgridnev | so, egafford, seems like it's ok to put Apache 2.0 license on MIT licensed code, and required copyright was added. | 14:13 |
| elmiko | theoretically, MIT is compatible with APL | 14:13 |
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| nanhai | hello? | 14:13 |
| elmiko | hi | 14:13 |
| egafford | elmiko, vgridnev: Ack; if so, my blocking objection is withdrawn. | 14:13 |
| egafford | Still, I suppose one question I'd ask is: do we truly need to use this functionality? If other projects aren't using sphinx-argparse and they're generating doc successfully, and sphinx-argparse is broken, is there a better way to address this problem? | 14:13 |
| tosky | vgridnev: so basically, will this change reverted if the new requirement lands in time for Newton? | 14:14 |
| elmiko | egafford: i think that's an excellent question | 14:14 |
| elmiko | should we add a DocImpact to that review and try to get some guidance from the doc team? | 14:14 |
| vgridnev | tosky, I guess that we it should be reverted if we will get that in globals | 14:15 |
| egafford | I'm okay with the change as it is, mind you: I don't think it's the end of the world to copy a module we can legally copy. elmiko: I like bringing in a doc team eyeball or two a bit, yeah. If they don't have time soon enough we can push this change. | 14:16 |
| vgridnev | egafford, no other projects are using this lib. We are using to bring simple docs auto-generation | 14:16 |
| vgridnev | other projects not using that for generation docs, seems like them are mostly hand-made | 14:17 |
| nanhai | sphinx-argparse? | 14:18 |
| nanhai | auto generate? | 14:18 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: Hm; well, I'll admit that I don't like handmade and I do like auto-generation. :) | 14:18 |
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| vgridnev | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/master/doc/source/command-objects/address-scope.rst | 14:18 |
| vgridnev | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-openstackclient/command-objects/address-scope.html#address-scope-create | 14:19 |
| vgridnev | just an example | 14:19 |
| egafford | Yeah, we don't want that for sure. | 14:19 |
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| vgridnev | nanhai, do you a specific questions? | 14:20 |
| nanhai | no, i just listenning | 14:20 |
| egafford | vgridnev: Changed my -1 to a +1 with a note that we might want to ask the doc team if they had specific suggestions about doc autogeneration. | 14:20 |
| nanhai | i am listenning | 14:21 |
| vgridnev | egafford, I ll put DocImpact now | 14:21 |
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| egafford | Cool; if we don't hear back at all by next meeting let's just do this and ask later. | 14:22 |
| elmiko | it may also be prudent to reach out to the doc team, just a heads up | 14:22 |
| egafford | elmiko: Ack. | 14:22 |
| vgridnev | ok, we can put that to ML and ask OpenStack client team | 14:22 |
| vgridnev | too | 14:22 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: Yeah, I can't imagine other teams are uninterested in autogenerating docs. | 14:23 |
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| vgridnev | oops | 14:24 |
| egafford | vgridnev: :) | 14:24 |
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| * egafford wrote 'vgridnev: Yeah, I can't imagine other teams are uninterested in autogenerating docs.' in your extremely brief absence. | 14:24 | |
| vgridnev | ok | 14:25 |
| egafford | I think the other high-prio reviews just need a few more eyes; they look pretty good. | 14:26 |
| vgridnev | #topic API v2 progress | 14:26 |
| elmiko | not much to report since last week | 14:26 |
| elmiko | i don't think there has been any movement | 14:26 |
| vgridnev | ok then | 14:27 |
| elmiko | it's possible, that i might have a little time after this conference to get back into things. we'll see | 14:27 |
| elmiko | i'll definitely keep the team up to date | 14:27 |
| vgridnev | ok, thanks elmiko | 14:27 |
| vgridnev | #topic Specs / features status | 14:28 |
| vgridnev | so, there are two specs on review now | 14:28 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Initial kerberos integration | 14:28 |
| egafford | I'll read the kerb spec today. | 14:28 |
| elmiko | yea, me too. i need to read that spec | 14:28 |
| vgridnev | ok, super short topic then | 14:29 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327616/ | 14:29 |
| tellesnobrega | i started looking into it, but still haven't been through, will finish it today | 14:29 |
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| vgridnev | #topic CLI for Plugin-Declared Image Declaration | 14:29 |
| vgridnev | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327111/ | 14:29 |
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| vgridnev | egafford, seems like my questions was addressed | 14:30 |
| egafford | Responded to your thoughts and comments (which were good ones), esp. vgridnev's question about deps. I think externalizing the libguestfs dep in a separate module for packagers is definitely a good idea. | 14:30 |
| egafford | It gives them a lot of options. | 14:30 |
| egafford | vgridnev: Yeah, happily I designed the last feature while mostly thinking about this feature. :) | 14:31 |
| egafford | So the spec mostly wrote itself. | 14:31 |
| vgridnev | I did not got that: Yeah, happily I designed the last feature while mostly thinking about this feature. :) | 14:32 |
| egafford | Oh, just that when I was writing the validation spec last cycle, I was mainly thinking about how to implement this on top of it. | 14:32 |
| vgridnev | ok, thanks | 14:33 |
| egafford | So it seems like that worked and people think the spec fits pretty well into the overall effort, which was the goal. That's all. | 14:33 |
| vgridnev | ok, I'm pushing that | 14:33 |
| egafford | vgridnev: \o/ | 14:34 |
| vgridnev | cool | 14:34 |
| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 14:34 |
| egafford | (Some) code incoming by next meeting. | 14:34 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: added a few questions to the kerberos spec | 14:35 |
| tellesnobrega | I discussed with vgridnev this week about storm upgrade, we came to an agreement that no spec is needed for that, does that make sense to all? how about python jobs for storm, spec is needed for that? | 14:36 |
| esikachev | saharaclient functional tests moved to sahara-tests | 14:37 |
| esikachev | job migration - in progress | 14:37 |
| egafford | tellesnobrega: Python jobs seems worth a spec probably. | 14:37 |
| vgridnev | tellesnobrega, have you create blueprints for that? | 14:37 |
| tellesnobrega | sure egafford | 14:37 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, not yet, will do it soon | 14:37 |
| egafford | We haven't dealt with storing binaries for an uncompiled, uncompressed language, for one thing. | 14:37 |
| egafford | It can probably be a short spec. | 14:38 |
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| vgridnev | tellesnobrega, I think if spec will be there till the next meeting, we can review that quickly and push that at the meeting | 14:39 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, awesome, i will try to put that up to review asap | 14:39 |
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| vgridnev | elmiko, answered your questions on review | 14:42 |
| vgridnev | will put short note about first question in spec | 14:42 |
| elmiko | cool, thanks | 14:42 |
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| egafford | vgridnev: Both Ambari and CDH have built-in KDCs that we can use then? | 14:44 |
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| egafford | (Without installing any additional packages in SIE?) | 14:44 |
| elmiko | vgridnev: makes sense, i think we are going to have issues with the proxy users feature and using an existing kdc | 14:44 |
| elmiko | or any kdc | 14:45 |
| elmiko | so, something to keep in mind | 14:45 |
| vgridnev | additional packages are needed, as I remember | 14:45 |
| egafford | vgridnev: Makes sense. | 14:45 |
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| vgridnev | but we will put that on images, I think. If not presented (I don't know, because of old openstack) we can install that | 14:46 |
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| vgridnev | elmiko, I hope no, proxy users are needed to access swift, not for hadoop services | 14:47 |
| elmiko | ok, let's hope not ;) | 14:48 |
| vgridnev | for example, YARN or Oozie will his own key tabs to access other services like HDFS | 14:49 |
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| elmiko | yeah, it makes sense | 14:49 |
| vgridnev | ok, any other topics to discuss? | 14:50 |
| tellesnobrega | i got nothing | 14:51 |
| egafford | Nothing here. | 14:51 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 14:51:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-06-16-14.00.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-06-16-14.00.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-06-16-14.00.log.html | 14:51 |
| vgridnev | thanks | 14:51 |
| elmiko | thanks vgridnev | 14:51 |
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| tellesnobrega | thanks vgridnev | 14:52 |
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| egafford | o/ | 14:52 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 15:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
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| pavel_bondar | hi | 15:00 |
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| john-davidge | hi | 15:00 |
| johnbelamaric | hi | 15:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | #chair carl_baldwin | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | o/ | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | good morning all. Thanks for attending | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | Team's etherpad is here: | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | Newton-2 is approachin fast: July 11 - 15 | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | Also reminder to all the team about the mid-cycle meeting in Cork, Ireland, August 17 -19 | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | Etherpad is here: | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-midcycle | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | Any other announcements from the team? | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | ok, let's move on... | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:05 |
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| mlavalle | First up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1564335 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1564335 in neutron " [Pluggable IPAM] delete subnet in ml2 plugin does not comply with pluggable ipam (deletes ip allocations directly from db)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Bondar (pasha117) | 15:06 |
| pavel_bondar | Second part of the fix is here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323345/ | 15:06 |
| pavel_bondar | I have added some UTs for it | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'll take a look. | 15:07 |
| pavel_bondar | The first part is already merged into master and backport to mitaka is created #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330374/ | 15:07 |
| pavel_bondar | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:07 |
| pavel_bondar | not much here | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | pavel_bondar thanks for the update | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | And that was the only high priority bug we had for this week | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | Any other bugs from the team? | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: hi | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | Moving right along. We've had a few more merges. I'll try to update the etherpad. | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | I still need to create a new Nova patch for the deferred IP thing. | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | I've been slow, sorry. | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'd like to get Brian's service subnet spec merged. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300207/ | 15:12 |
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| * haleyb 's ears perk up | 15:13 | |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: Do you think you might have a moment to read this one? ^ | 15:14 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: That's all I have. I'm still concerned about the Nova part. | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | me too | 15:15 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: And, I need to try your vagrant environment. | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | Pushed changes to it this morning. Make sure you have the latest version | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | moving on... | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I will | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:17 |
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| mlavalle | I don't see tidwellr around. Anything to discuss on this topic? | 15:18 |
| vikram | hi | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | hi vikram :-) | 15:18 |
| vikram | :-) | 15:18 |
| vikram | Just a little update | 15:18 |
| vikram | We have all the pieces merged | 15:19 |
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| vikram | Now next step is making api and functional test voting | 15:19 |
| vikram | I am working on those | 15:19 |
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| vikram | that's all from my end .. | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | thanks for the update vikram | 15:21 |
| vikram | ur welcome | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | #topic FWaaS | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | njohnston: hi | 15:22 |
| njohnston | Hello! So it looks like there aren't many more comments on the l3 agent extension spec, but any further comments welcome: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315745/ | 15:22 |
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| njohnston | First part of this work is to move generalizable parts of agent extension logic out of l2 agent so they can be generally used - without breaking QoS: https://review.openstack.org/329701 | 15:23 |
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| njohnston | I have been chatting a little with ajo to clarify what parts of the notification driver in neutron server are generalizable code and which parts are a repeatable pattern - looks like it leans more to the latter | 15:24 |
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| njohnston | so I hope to have code for the actual implementation next week, although it will be light on testing | 15:25 |
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| njohnston | that's about the size of it | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | njohnston: Sounds like good progress. | 15:26 |
| SridarK | carl_baldwin: on the spec i just see ur +2 - what should be the next steps to get it approved - who else shd we reach out to | 15:26 |
| njohnston | carl_baldwin: I hope so, I am feeling the time pressure | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | I would start with asking ihrachys_ if he'll take another pass at it. | 15:27 |
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| SridarK | carl_baldwin: sounds good, thx | 15:27 |
| ihrachys_ | sorry, what's the spec we are talking about? l3 agent extensions? | 15:28 |
| njohnston | ihrachys_: yep! | 15:28 |
| ihrachys_ | ack | 15:28 |
| njohnston | ihrachys_: thanks! | 15:28 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315745/ | 15:28 |
| * pavel_bondar has conflicting meeting starting now, see updates about conversion to | 15:29 | |
| pavel_bondar | pluggable ipam in etherpad | 15:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | pavel_bondar: Thanks. | 15:29 |
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| mlavalle | njohnston, SridarK: anything else? | 15:30 |
| SridarK | nothing more - we will continue to work thru this | 15:30 |
| njohnston | nothing else here | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | njohnston, SridarK: thanks for the update | 15:31 |
| SridarK | mlavalle: thx | 15:31 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Conversion to Pluggable IPAM | 15:31 |
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| mlavalle | without pavel_bondar, is there anything else to discuss today on this topic? | 15:32 |
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| johnbelamaric | nope | 15:32 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm going to do another recheck or two to see if that error pops up again. Otherwise, I think it is looking pretty good. | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | We might need some update to the documentation | 15:33 |
| carl_baldwin | #link http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/networking-guide/adv-config-ipam.html | 15:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any volunteers to update the docs? | 15:34 |
| johnbelamaric | Ok, I can do that. | 15:34 |
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| carl_baldwin | johnbelamaric: thanks | 15:36 |
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| mlavalle | anything else on this topic? | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | Not from me | 15:37 |
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| mlavalle | moving on... | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | any topics that need to be brought up to the team today? | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | ok, this was a relatively short one. Returning 20 minutes to everybody's agenda :-) | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 15:40:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-06-16-15.00.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-06-16-15.00.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-06-16-15.00.log.html | 15:40 |
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| carl_baldwin | bye! | 15:40 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks mlavalle! | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | Have a nice day / afternoon / evening ! | 15:40 |
| SridarK | bye all and thx | 15:40 |
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| cdent | #startmeeting api wg | 15:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 15:59:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:59 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 15:59 |
| cdent | #chair etoews | 15:59 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent etoews | 15:59 |
| etoews | well hello | 16:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 16:00 |
| cdent | good afternoon | 16:00 |
| aimeeu | 0/ | 16:00 |
| edleafe | good UGT morning! | 16:00 |
| cdent | #link agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:00 |
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| cdent | no action items from last meeting | 16:01 |
| etoews | :) | 16:01 |
| cdent | and I think we should do the newletter near the end so next is | 16:01 |
| cdent | #topic address all of the TODOs in the guidelines (turn them into bugs?) | 16:01 |
| mfedosin | o/ | 16:02 |
| cdent | I suspect I made that entry, which was effectively: let's agree to do that. Do we agree? | 16:02 |
| edleafe | bugs would certainly be easier to track | 16:02 |
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| cdent | #agreed make todos in guidelines into bugs for easier tracking and stigmergy | 16:03 |
| etoews | grep -R TODO * | wc -l == 18 | 16:03 |
| etoews | so how do we do that? | 16:05 |
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| cdent | etoews: if you paste that grep into an etherpad, we can divide the list up into the number of people here and do it right now | 16:05 |
| etoews | ++ | 16:05 |
| cdent | as in make stubby buglets | 16:05 |
| * edleafe learned a new word: stigmergy | 16:05 | |
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| etoews | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-todos-to-bugs | 16:06 |
| cdent | edleafe: that's probably one of my favorite concepts when it comes to remote collaboration | 16:06 |
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| cdent | There are at least three of us. Anyone else want to take a chunk of those, or shall we split by three? | 16:06 |
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| cdent | i've taken a chunk | 16:07 |
| edleafe | threesies is fine | 16:07 |
| edleafe | one bug per TODO or one per file? | 16:08 |
| cdent | per todo | 16:10 |
| cdent | granularity is nice | 16:10 |
| etoews | per todo | 16:10 |
| cdent | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg | 16:10 |
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| etoews | and i'm going to link back to http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/api-wg/ | 16:10 |
| etoews | in the bug | 16:10 |
| etoews | hmmmm...how do i get git.o.o to ref a certain commit | 16:11 |
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| etoews | so when we remove the TODOs the back links are still valid | 16:12 |
| * cdent has never been able to figure cgit, so always ends up back at github :( | 16:13 | |
| etoews | me too :( | 16:13 |
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| etoews | i'm okay with back links to github | 16:13 |
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| etoews | yep. i'm using github links. | 16:14 |
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| etoews | cdent: edleafe: shall we tag these with "todo" so we know where they came from? | 16:15 |
| etoews | tag all of these that is | 16:15 |
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| cdent | makes sense | 16:16 |
| edleafe | yeah, sounds sane | 16:16 |
| etoews | here's my first crack at it https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg/+bug/1593305 | 16:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1593305 in openstack-api-wg "HEAD is weird in a bunch of our wsgi frameworks" [Undecided,New] | 16:16 |
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| etoews | ha! already done this one. https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg/+bug/1593308 | 16:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1593308 in openstack-api-wg "The recommended way of transmitting error/fault information back to the user" [Undecided,New] | 16:20 |
| etoews | filed bug because pedantic | 16:20 |
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| etoews | no, i need to report a new bug | 16:23 |
| edleafe | I did me one too! https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg/+bug/1593312 | 16:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1593312 in openstack-api-wg "compatibility.rst is missing the Guidance section" [Undecided,New] | 16:23 |
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| * etoews copies everything cdent is doing in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-todos-to-bugs | 16:24 | |
| cdent | ? | 16:25 |
| * edleafe is doing the same | 16:25 | |
| etoews | cdent: the strike through and link to bug | 16:26 |
| cdent | ah | 16:26 |
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| cdent | I only have time to do that because I'm not being as luxurious as you with links back github, just referencing the guideline filename | 16:27 |
| etoews | i'm all about link luxury | 16:27 |
| etoews | i'm done with my set | 16:27 |
| * edleafe is also copying etoews links format | 16:27 | |
| edleafe | I'm lagging | 16:27 |
| etoews | going to remove the TODO from the files. | 16:27 |
| edleafe | why remove? | 16:28 |
| etoews | why keep? | 16:28 |
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| etoews | i'd rather not have 2 things tracking the work | 16:29 |
| edleafe | Because it's easier to find when editing? | 16:29 |
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| cdent | todo is now an official tag | 16:29 |
| etoews | they also clutter the guidelines/code | 16:30 |
| etoews | cdent: any feels on removing the TODOs or not? | 16:30 |
| cdent | I think removing them will introduces process noise because they'll have to wend their way through gerrit | 16:30 |
| cdent | and leaving them in place in the published version helps people to know that we are aware that there is stuff still to do | 16:31 |
| etoews | i commit to remove them isn't too noisy | 16:31 |
| etoews | 1 commit... | 16:31 |
| cdent | if it were code I'd say yes, for sure, but since it is narrative I think it is useful, here comes that word again, stigmergy | 16:31 |
| cdent | but I'm not super concerned either direction | 16:31 |
| etoews | this also speaks to the next topic. "get out of draft mode" | 16:32 |
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| cdent | true | 16:33 |
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| etoews | a) is that even something we want? | 16:33 |
| etoews | currently "draft" is pretty much meaningless to me | 16:34 |
| etoews | i don't think it carries any meaning for openstack-land either | 16:34 |
| cdent | the main question I have on that is that here http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/ it sounds like this is just for giggles and has no meaning | 16:34 |
| cdent | I'd be fine with just removing that note | 16:34 |
| etoews | let's do it | 16:34 |
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| etoews | cdent: does having 18 TODOs in the guidelines affect our decision to remove it? | 16:35 |
| cdent | I don't think it should | 16:35 |
| cdent | because was want to think of the guidelines as a live thing | 16:35 |
| etoews | yep | 16:35 |
| cdent | my concern with that header was that it seemed like we weren't even born yet | 16:35 |
| edleafe | just as having 18 todo bugs doesn't affect it :) | 16:35 |
| etoews | alrighty. we'll keep the TODOs and remove the "draft mode". | 16:36 |
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| etoews | this is good fodder for the newsletter. we should definitely do the newsletter in the later half of the meeting. but first... | 16:37 |
| etoews | aimeeu: mfedosin: welcome to the api wg meeting. :) | 16:37 |
| mfedosin | etoews: hi! | 16:38 |
| etoews | was there something you care to discuss in particular? | 16:38 |
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| mfedosin | nothing special | 16:38 |
| mfedosin | but I wanted to say that the spec is updated | 16:38 |
| etoews | just checking in after the glare review? | 16:38 |
| etoews | gotcha | 16:38 |
| mfedosin | and we simplified glare api dramatically | 16:38 |
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| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283136/10/specs/newton/glare-api.rst@906 | 16:38 |
| etoews | always good to hear! | 16:38 |
| mfedosin | thanks cdent :) | 16:39 |
| cdent | mfedosin: excellent work tuning that stuff up | 16:39 |
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| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/330687 Get rid of the DRAFT warning at the top of guidelines | 16:39 |
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| etoews | mfedosin: i just noticed the /versions | 16:41 |
| etoews | have you looked at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254895/1/guidelines/versioning.rst ? | 16:41 |
| mfedosin | but how user will know what versions are supported? | 16:42 |
| cdent | edleafe: would you like some assistance with the rest of your chunk of todos or are you good? | 16:42 |
| cdent | goes to look at /versions | 16:42 |
| etoews | mfedosin: that's the point of that guideline | 16:43 |
| etoews | Each service should advertise the API versions exposed by the service and the endpoint from where that service can be accessed. The purpose of this document is to standardize the format for these responses. | 16:43 |
| etoews | which is your intention behind /versions right? | 16:43 |
| mfedosin | etoews: return a list of available api versions I think | 16:44 |
| cdent | mfedosin: ah, yeah, so what you are proposing at /versions could be at / and following the guideline at http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/microversion_specification.html#version-discovery | 16:44 |
| edleafe | cdent: I'm good. On the last ones | 16:45 |
| cdent | etoews: looks like we might have a bit of an overlap between versioning.rst and the microversion spec ? | 16:45 |
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| etoews | just saw that. they're in conflict. | 16:45 |
| etoews | :( | 16:46 |
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| mfedosin | cdent: so, we can return version just by GET / request? | 16:46 |
| etoews | i think the nature of the conflict is microversions expose their versions one way, everything else does something a little differently. | 16:46 |
| cdent | mfedosin: sort of, but see what etoews just said | 16:47 |
| etoews | cdent: mfedosin: i'd say glare should stick to http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/microversion_specification.html#version-discovery since it's doing microversions | 16:48 |
| etoews | my bad for confusing things but at least we uncovered the conflict. | 16:48 |
| mfedosin | etoews: ok, it was done for bringing compatibility with Glance | 16:48 |
| etoews | that matters too :) | 16:48 |
| cdent | etoews: make a bug? | 16:49 |
| mfedosin | I'll update the spec in a minute | 16:49 |
| cdent | or should we (you! :) ) just comment on the versioning guideline since it is not merged yet? | 16:49 |
| etoews | cdent: ya. a comment is more appropriate. i'll do it now. | 16:49 |
| etoews | cdent: do you want to start on the newsletter? | 16:50 |
| cdent | yeah, I've got the etherpad up, will start on it | 16:50 |
| etoews | ++ | 16:50 |
| edleafe | cdent: done | 16:51 |
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| Dinesh_ | Hi all, | 16:52 |
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| Dinesh_ | Could you please give your suggestions on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315964/ | 16:53 |
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| cdent | Hi Dinesh_ | 16:55 |
| etoews | commented on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254895/1 | 16:55 |
| cdent | Dinesh_: Is there a disagreement on it? | 16:55 |
| edleafe | cdent: partial disagreement | 16:56 |
| edleafe | basically, strict status checking | 16:56 |
| edleafe | IOW, if you pass an invalid status (which nothign could match), should you get a 200 with an empty list, or a 400 | 16:57 |
| cdent | etoews: we started to discuss this last week, but did we decide about abandoning old tired reviews that are not getting attention? | 16:57 |
| cdent | edleafe: ah. | 16:58 |
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| etoews | cdent: i don't recall a decision... | 16:59 |
| cdent | I want to put a friendly threat of some kind in the newsletter | 16:59 |
| etoews | or the discussion for that matter :P | 16:59 |
| etoews | heh. sure. why not. | 17:00 |
| etoews | time! | 17:00 |
| etoews | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 17:00:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-06-16-15.59.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-06-16-15.59.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-06-16-15.59.log.html | 17:00 |
| docaedo | courtesy ping: kfox1111 olaph kzaitsev_mb igormarnat_ ddovbii__ | 17:00 |
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| olaph | o/ | 17:01 |
| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 17:01:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:01 |
| docaedo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/app-catalog#Proposed_Agenda_for_June_16th.2C_2016_.281700_UTC.29 Agenda | 17:01 |
| docaedo | let's see who shows up :) Hello olaph! | 17:01 |
| olaph | greetings, program! | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | I'm here on igormarnat_ behalf, he's unfortunatelly on a bunch of meetings, but I can give some updates probably =) | 17:02 |
| docaedo | olaph: hah .. I always thought that glass keyboard with no keys must have been lame to type on | 17:02 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: thanks, then let's set the topic to... | 17:02 |
| docaedo | #topic Status updates | 17:02 |
| docaedo | There were two action items from last week: | 17:02 |
| docaedo | * ACTION: Igor to get on the Infra agenda to discuss app-dev CI | 17:02 |
| docaedo | * ACTION: Igor to start threads with Glance and Heat teams about automated validation of templates and images | 17:03 |
| docaedo | Take it away kzaitsev_mb, and thanks for filling us in | 17:03 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so from igors side — he told me, that he's in the process of drafting the proposal to the infra team (regarding the CI, tests and security). He hasn't started the discussion yet, but is actively preparring to do so | 17:04 |
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| docaedo | cool - please let him know that I would be happy to collaborate with him on that proposal | 17:05 |
| docaedo | if he wants to start it in an etherpad I would join him | 17:05 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | sure, would ping him and get that message to him | 17:07 |
| docaedo | Cool thanks | 17:07 |
| docaedo | any status updates on the glare side of things? | 17:07 |
| kzaitsev_mb | nope unfortunatelly I'm still almost at the same point I was last week. | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_mb | although I think we're going to have some more manpower allocated for the task pretty soon | 17:08 |
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| kzaitsev_mb | so I really hope the situation to change next week | 17:09 |
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| docaedo | kzaitsev_mb: thats cool, I'll keep my fingers crossed | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | me too. | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | =) | 17:10 |
| kzaitsev_mb | so I guess that's roughly all I had to share | 17:10 |
| docaedo | great | 17:10 |
| docaedo | I don't have any notable status updates, have been mostly focused on $COMPANY things lately, so haven't poked much at the app catalog stuff | 17:11 |
| docaedo | I think we are done then unless anyone has anything else (open discussion stuff)? | 17:11 |
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| docaedo | :) | 17:13 |
| docaedo | Ok thanks you guys - talk to you later! | 17:13 |
| docaedo | #endmeeting | 17:13 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-06-16-17.01.html | 17:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-06-16-17.01.txt | 17:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ivar-lazzaro hemanthravi igordcard: hi | 18:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hi | 18:01 |
| igordcard | hello SumitNaiksatam, all | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 18:01:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#June_16th.2C_2nd.2C_May_26th.2C_2016 | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | same agenda from past weeks | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nothing new on the bugs, documentation, testing front | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything to discuss on the packaging front? | 18:03 |
| rkukura | nope | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | to be accurate, there were bugs which got fixed during the last week, one was critical regarding DB migration breaking on Suse | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: hi | 18:04 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | there were a couple of other bugs and fixes in review: | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/328821 | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in case if anyone is against using the admin context here ^^^ | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and second one: | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/328818 | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | without the above fix, GBP does not work with Newton | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but its debatable whether we should merge the above patch as a fix first, an do the real fix as follow up | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe the author of the patch has agreed to investigate, so thats good | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: anything new at your end that you need to discuss on QoS patches (I think you planned to post a follow patchset) | 18:07 |
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| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: no, not yet :( | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay, np | 18:08 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: probably not next week as well | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: okay | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic NFP impl patches | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: over to you | 18:09 |
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| hemanthravi | don't have an update, need reviews on the nfp patches | 18:09 |
| hemanthravi | listed at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GroupBasedPolicy/GerritQueries/NFP | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: you have been planning to update the wiki page? | 18:10 |
| hemanthravi | yes, getting delayed due to other tasks. will update it today | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: i had a comment on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298385 | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | oh, just remembered, i have the status attributes patch for review: #link https://review.openstack.org/289530 | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is useful for GBP, and also for NFP | 18:13 |
| hemanthravi | regarding the service profiles | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so requesting you all to review and help make progress | 18:13 |
| hemanthravi | will address that | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: yes, go ahead | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: ok thanks | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anything else for today? | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hi, just in time before the meeting ends :-P | 18:14 |
| tbachman | lol | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: anything you wanted to bring up before we close for today? | 18:15 |
| songole | Ah | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: if we are ready, we can bring up the UI discussion next week | 18:15 |
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| songole | No | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: will touch base offline on that | 18:15 |
| songole | ok | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that might be a longer discussion | 18:15 |
| ivar-lazzaro | hemanthravi: there are tons of rebase on the NFP patches | 18:15 |
| ivar-lazzaro | have you addressed my comments of a while back? | 18:15 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | it's kind of hard to figure out | 18:16 |
| hemanthravi | i think they have been, but will review to make sure | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so in general, regarding the NFP patches, shall we as a team put a tentative schedule in place to review and attempt merging the patches? | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if there are critical issues found in the review, we change the schedule | 18:17 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: that helps | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i think in the current state, lots of cycles are being spent in rebases | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but we are not moving forward | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and i think reviews are also sporadic | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so thats probably not helping the authors | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we dont have to decide here, but i think we are getting to a point where we need to make a call on the NFP patches one way or the other, since they have been in the review queue for a long time | 18:19 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: can we schedule a hackathon for next week | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: sounds good, let me touch base with offline on this | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *with you | 18:20 |
| songole | ok | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please let me know if you anyone else in the team has any thoughts on this | 18:20 |
| hemanthravi | rebases were done to sync up with the dependent patches, is there a way to avoid this? | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (or you can speak up here, we have plenty of time :-P) | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: i dont think anyone is saying that you should not be rebasing | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: its just that its difficult to keep track of review comments when there are several rebases | 18:21 |
| hemanthravi | agree, just making sure | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: the way to mitigate that is to respond to the review comments after they have been fixed | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: that way the reviewer knows that a particulay comment has been addressed | 18:22 |
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| hemanthravi | i'll work on this to make sure they are all addressed | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: thanks | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hemanthravi: the wiki page could help in this regard as well | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: so no bugs are at your end that you need discuss? :-P | 18:24 |
| hemanthravi | yes, will update the wiki page | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: the neutron service_profiles is a tough one | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps we can have a quick discussion about it here | 18:24 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: we addressed the floating ip issue. | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay good | 18:25 |
| songole | Not sure if I should monkey patch gbp patch.py or do it as part of NFP | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: you want to summarize the resource name conflic issue (service_profile) | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: that would depend on what the fix is | 18:25 |
| songole | monkey patching l3_db call. | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i think patch.py should be the place | 18:26 |
| songole | ok | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that way its easy to find everything in one place | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: you want to summarize the resource name conflic issue (service_profile) | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *conflict | 18:27 |
| songole | ok | 18:27 |
| songole | neutron as part of flavors framework is exposing CRUD APIs for its own service-profile resource | 18:27 |
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| songole | the name directly conflicts with our service-profile resource | 18:28 |
| songole | my original idea was to rename GBP resource | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: that comes with the downside that its a backward incompatible change | 18:28 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i was hoping that there would be a namspace resolution to this | 18:29 |
| ivar-lazzaro | is the flavor framework merged? | 18:29 |
| songole | yes, it is merged | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ivar-lazzaro: yes, its been merged for a while now (i think liberty) | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so i do have a patch out for review in GBP, which adds loading the flavors plugin | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this is to try and validate the coexistence of GBP and the neutron flavors framework | 18:30 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | in that patch i also invoke Neutron flavors CLI | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | all this seems to work | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the issue is specifically with regards to the ‘service_profile” resources | 18:31 |
| songole | Do you excercise neutron service-profile resources? | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: no, per our discussion, i was waiting for you to provide me with the CLI for the workflow ;-) | 18:32 |
| songole | Trying to find time for that .. :) | 18:32 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | this is the patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296098/ | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: np | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so anyway, rkukura ivar-lazzaro igordcard, if you have any suggestions on how to handle this resource name conflict, please let us know | 18:34 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | ok | 18:35 |
| rkukura | I think we need to change our resource name, because we are the unofficial project | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: but that is backward incompatible | 18:35 |
| rkukura | that goes with the territory | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for current GBP users | 18:35 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i dont think we can just throw up hands like that | 18:36 |
| rkukura | if we had our own server/endpoint, it wouldn’t be an issue | 18:36 |
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| ivar-lazzaro | Maybe we should keep both service-profile and the new name for a while? | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: if we rename, we will have to provide a migration strategy | 18:36 |
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| rkukura | Which neutron release introduced their service-profile resource? | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think stable/liberty | 18:38 |
| rkukura | so maybe we could make our kilo version support two names as a migration strategy, and only the new name in liberty forward | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:39 |
| rkukura | that would be cleanest if we think most users are still on kilo | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i agree | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thats all i had for today | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyone have anything else? | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think we should have a proper spec out to resolve the name conflict issue | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so that we can all agree on the path forward | 18:42 |
| rkukura | yes, and hopefully fixed before stable/kilo is EOL | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, thanks everyone for joining! | 18:42 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam! | 18:43 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thanks! | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | bye all! | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 18:43:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-06-16-18.01.html | 18:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-06-16-18.01.txt | 18:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-06-16-18.01.log.html | 18:43 |
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| rkukura | bye | 18:43 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting auc | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 19:01:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'auc' | 19:01 |
| shamail | Hi everyone. Who’s here for the AUC meeting? | 19:01 |
| MeganR | o/ | 19:01 |
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| maishsk | o/ | 19:01 |
| shamail | Hi MeganR and maishsk | 19:01 |
| maishsk | Nice to see the AUC plastered all over :) | 19:01 |
| shamail | :] | 19:01 |
| MeganR | Hi Shamail and maishsk | 19:01 |
| maishsk | Hi all | 19:02 |
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| maishsk | anyone else here? | 19:02 |
| shamail | Let’s give it a couple of minutes and then we’ll start… I was hoping we would have a larger turn-out but at this point we have to continue making progress against the agenda. | 19:02 |
| shamail | Tom needs to run prelimenary numbers by next week, we can discuss and share via ML | 19:03 |
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| shamail | #chair maishsk | 19:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: maishsk shamail | 19:04 |
| shamail | Okay, let’s start… the agenda for today can be found at: | 19:04 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/AUCRecognition#Meeting_Information | 19:04 |
| shamail | #topic Updates on action items from 6/2 | 19:04 |
| shamail | I just went through the logs, no action items from 6/2 (yay) so moving on | 19:05 |
| shamail | :) | 19:05 |
| shamail | #topic Review draft of milestone-3 output | 19:05 |
| shamail | Is the bot not working again? | 19:05 |
| shamail | oh well... | 19:05 |
| maishsk | Way to go Shamail | 19:05 |
| shamail | lol | 19:06 |
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| shamail | So we had really good discussions during milestone-3 | 19:06 |
| shamail | I summarized our conversations and decisions into an etherpad | 19:06 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-recog-m3-output | 19:06 |
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| shamail | Please review the draft output from milestone-3… if majority agrees, we can mark it as final and move to milestone-4 | 19:07 |
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| shamail | Please let me know when you have reviewed it | 19:09 |
| maishsk | ack - looks fine to me | 19:09 |
| MeganR | Looks good to me | 19:09 |
| shamail | Thanks | 19:09 |
| shamail | We can always iterate later | 19:10 |
| shamail | #agreed milestone-3 can be marked as completed | 19:10 |
| shamail | We can move on to milestone-4 now! | 19:11 |
| MeganR | Woo hoo! | 19:11 |
| shamail | This is probably the last major milestone and then its downhill :) | 19:11 |
| shamail | #topic Kick-off milestone-4 | 19:11 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-recog-metrics | 19:11 |
| shamail | I went ahead and documented some of the metrics that we already discussed in milestone-3 and added them as starting points to foster discussion | 19:12 |
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| shamail | Should we walk through each role on the list and discuss the criteria/questions? | 19:13 |
| maishsk | Sure | 19:13 |
| shamail | Thanks | 19:13 |
| MeganR | please | 19:13 |
| shamail | So for Official User Group organizers we have a pretty clear-cut metric | 19:13 |
| shamail | “Listed as an organizer or coordinator for an official OpenStack user group" | 19:13 |
| maishsk | +1 - just the fact is what happens to changes over time | 19:14 |
| maishsk | Which means we have to define a period over which the status is valid. When it starts, and when it ends | 19:14 |
| shamail | One thought i had was what about if organizers/contributors change during the course of the six months | 19:14 |
| shamail | I don’t think this will happen often so it might be overthinking the problem | 19:15 |
| shamail | if it does happen, I am sure the new (or former) organizers could just let us know via the self-nomination process | 19:15 |
| maishsk | That sounds like a plan - good idea | 19:16 |
| shamail | Awesome. | 19:16 |
| MeganR | true, and hopefully if they are involved enough to plan/coord. user groups, they are also active in other areas. | 19:16 |
| shamail | Moving on to “Active members of official UC Working Groups” | 19:16 |
| shamail | MeganR: +1 | 19:16 |
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| shamail | For this one, I added to initial metrics: | 19:17 |
| shamail | Attend 25% of the meetings over the last six months | 19:17 |
| shamail | Contributed at least (100 if OR, 25 if AND) lines in meetings (based on logs) over the last six months | 19:17 |
| shamail | just as a starting point | 19:17 |
| maishsk | Mind elaborating on — Contributed at least (100 if OR, 25 if AND) lines | 19:17 |
| shamail | Absolutely | 19:17 |
| shamail | My thought process here was that most working groups meet weekly (some don’t) but 25% attendance even in the weekly WGs would mean roughly about 6 meetings in 6 months which should be easy for active members | 19:18 |
| shamail | The second line was about the fact that simply showing up does not make someone “Active”, it’s about collaboration and discussion | 19:19 |
| maishsk | But I dont get how the numbers work | 19:19 |
| shamail | to that end, I was thinking that we would state that you have to show up to 25% of the meetings AND have logged at least 25 lines over six months | 19:19 |
| maishsk | :( | 19:19 |
| shamail | That ensures that just saying “hello” and “bye” in each meeting won’t let you make the cut | 19:20 |
| shamail | Oh, eavesdrop logs the number of lines each person says in a meeting | 19:20 |
| MeganR | ok, that makes sense, so is it no less than 25 lines? | 19:20 |
| shamail | Think of this as being the total count of lines said by someone in 6 months and if > 25 AND they show up in the log for 25% of the meetings then they are included | 19:20 |
| shamail | Yes MeganR | 19:21 |
| shamail | I did that because it would prevent “hello”, “bye”, and a single “+1” from meeting the threshold | 19:21 |
| shamail | if they only attended 6 meetings and did that | 19:21 |
| MeganR | ok, I am good with that number, thank you | 19:21 |
| maishsk | That works | 19:22 |
| MeganR | Playing Devil's Advocate - what about teams that don't use IRC - initially, are we relying on their attendance to mean active participation? | 19:22 |
| shamail | The “100 if OR” reference was regarding whether we would consider someone an active member of the WG (regardless of how many meetings they attended) if they have over 100 lines logged | 19:22 |
| shamail | meaning they couldve shown up for 1 or 2 meetings only but made significant contributions towards topic(s) | 19:22 |
| MeganR | hmm, I like that idea = we certainly have seen active contributors that aren't always able to attend every meeting. | 19:23 |
| shamail | MeganR: I forgot to list the criteria for those teams… I think we are relying on the WG chairs for this groups and therefore we don’t have additional criteria beyond the WG chair saying someone is active | 19:23 |
| shamail | Can you add the criteria for non-IRC WGs? | 19:23 |
| maishsk | regarding those who dont use IRC - I think that relying on the chair to update their minutes somewhere and the minutes should include participants | 19:24 |
| MeganR | sure | 19:24 |
| shamail | maishsk: +1, most of those WGs use etherpads so attendance is logged | 19:24 |
| maishsk | It could be me - but maybe we should reword the IRC criteria - I did not find it sraightforward to understand | 19:24 |
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| shamail | we would just ask the chairs though to reduce burden on the people determining AUC (otherwise we would have to mine all etherpads which could be a labor intensive process) | 19:25 |
| shamail | maishsk: +1 | 19:25 |
| shamail | I did the initial wording to put down my thoughts | 19:25 |
| MeganR | and the etherpads don't always identify who was speaking, since someone else may be taking notes | 19:25 |
| MeganR | just who attended | 19:26 |
| shamail | It seems we all agree with the explanation so I will go back and rephrase appropriately | 19:26 |
| maishsk | #agreed | 19:26 |
| shamail | maishsk: does line 17 capture the idea better now? | 19:27 |
| maishsk | Much clearer - thanks! | 19:28 |
| shamail | thanks! | 19:28 |
| MeganR | yes, that looks good! | 19:28 |
| shamail | Perfect, thanks for the addition MeganR! | 19:28 |
| shamail | On to “Ops meetup moderators” | 19:28 |
| shamail | The initial criteria here is listed as: | 19:28 |
| shamail | Moderate a session at the operators meetup over the last six months | 19:29 |
| shamail | Host the operators meetup (limit 2 people from the hosting organization) over the last six months | 19:29 |
| maishsk | I think the limit is fine - just who decided which two they actually are? first come first served? They duel it out themselves? At dawn? With featherdusters ? | 19:30 |
| shamail | I added a response on the etherpad but the “2 maximum” is arbitary | 19:30 |
| shamail | Oh | 19:30 |
| shamail | The hosting organization would decide | 19:30 |
| maishsk | Works for me! | 19:30 |
| MeganR | I personally am voting for the featherdusters idea! | 19:30 |
| shamail | so, for example, in Manchester… Matt was the main point of contact… we would’ve asked him if another person from his company helped. | 19:31 |
| shamail | lol MeganR | 19:31 |
| MeganR | what about people moderating the actual sessions? | 19:31 |
| shamail | That is the other set of criteria | 19:31 |
| shamail | “Moderate a session at the operators meetup over the last six months" | 19:31 |
| shamail | basically this is an OR situation | 19:31 |
| MeganR | ah ha - that's what I was missing - thank you | 19:31 |
| shamail | you can get eligibility in this category by moderating a session or hosting the meetup (but max 2 for hosts) | 19:32 |
| shamail | Is 2 a good number? | 19:32 |
| shamail | I could reasonably see this being anywhere from 2-10 | 19:32 |
| MeganR | yes, I think 2 is a good number and I like making the host company decide | 19:32 |
| maishsk | Agreed | 19:32 |
| shamail | Cool | 19:32 |
| MeganR | there are usually a lot of people involved, but not all participate in OpenStack | 19:32 |
| shamail | We should share this information regarding host eligibilty with the Meetup-Admin WG | 19:33 |
| shamail | hopefully they will see it on the mailing list | 19:33 |
| shamail | MeganR: +1 | 19:33 |
| shamail | Moving on to “Contributions to any repository under UC governance (ops repositories, user stories repository, etc.)” | 19:33 |
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| maishsk | So I have made one correction there | 19:34 |
| shamail | The intial set here: | 19:34 |
| shamail | Submitted two or more patches to a UC governed repository over the last six months | 19:34 |
| shamail | Host the operators meetup (limit 2 people from the hosting organization) | 19:34 |
| maishsk | two or more. | 19:34 |
| shamail | Thanks maishsk, saw the “or more" | 19:34 |
| shamail | It is not the same as the ATC criteira | 19:34 |
| shamail | criteria* | 19:34 |
| maishsk | and I dont understand why the Host Operators meetup is there? | 19:34 |
| shamail | I believe that criteria is at least one change in the last two releases | 19:34 |
| shamail | maishsk: that’s an easy one, because this etherpad was made with 3 hours of sleep | 19:35 |
| shamail | xD | 19:35 |
| maishsk | LOL! | 19:35 |
| MeganR | lol - makes perfect sense now! | 19:35 |
| shamail | Removed it, good catch : | 19:35 |
| maishsk | Should we not keep the criteria the same as ATC ? | 19:35 |
| MeganR | is ATC changing? | 19:36 |
| shamail | That would mean that we are tracking AUC for 12 months versus 6 months of eligibility (as all other categories are) | 19:36 |
| shamail | I kept the two part the same but just made it over one release | 19:36 |
| maishsk | it conforms with the rest of the Openstack | 19:36 |
| maishsk | is ATC changing - I have been hearing rumors / rumblings… ? | 19:37 |
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| shamail | It would align with TC governed projects in that case but get unaligned with all other AUC categories | 19:37 |
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| shamail | everything else we are tracking is over 6 months | 19:37 |
| shamail | I am fine either way on this.. | 19:38 |
| maishsk | And the term for an AUC is for 6 or 12 months? | 19:38 |
| shamail | 6 months, summit to summit | 19:38 |
| MeganR | I think we need to keep it consistent with everything else, but make a note about the difference | 19:39 |
| maishsk | So if that is the case - I am fine with the criteria - as they are on the etherpad | 19:39 |
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| shamail | MeganR: Can you eloborate? Is this a note about the fact that it’s different from ATC criteria? | 19:40 |
| MeganR | yes, that this is based upon a 6 month cycle | 19:40 |
| shamail | maishsk: I have heard some changes for ATC but they were discussed at the board meeting and I don’t know if it was brainstorming, executed plans, or intended plans. I think it will change but I don’t think the formal conversations have started? | 19:40 |
| shamail | Got it, will do MeganR | 19:40 |
| MeganR | ty | 19:41 |
| shamail | Next one: “Track chairs for OpenStack Summits” | 19:42 |
| shamail | Identified track chair for the upcoming OpenStack Summit (based on when data is gathered) [this is a forward-facing metric] | 19:42 |
| shamail | The criteria is easy but the one decision point is who gets AUC, the track chairs after the summit they chaired or track chairs for the upcoming summit | 19:43 |
| MeganR | Question: will this be Track chairs for the current or previous summit? | 19:43 |
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| shamail | That is the question indeed | 19:43 |
| MeganR | ok, I am reading that right | 19:43 |
| MeganR | I think this looks good, and we will figure out that nuance | 19:43 |
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| shamail | Basically, do you have to chair and then get recognized after the fact at the next summit or do we recognize track chairs for the current/upcoming summit once we know who they are | 19:43 |
| shamail | I am leaning towards forward-facing/current | 19:44 |
| MeganR | Ideally: recognize those for the current summit - if there is time - but at the very least recognized at the following summit. | 19:44 |
| shamail | This would allow Barcelona track chairs to be in the initial AUC list | 19:44 |
| shamail | Agreed MeganR, but it would eventually be one or the other… (e.g. track chairs do not get recognized for more than 6 months either) | 19:45 |
| maishsk | I think that it should be for the upcoming summit | 19:45 |
| MeganR | My hesitation for the recognition at the following summit is how often people and positions change in between summits. | 19:45 |
| shamail | MeganR: +1 | 19:45 |
| shamail | I think this is why forward-facing/current makes more sense… it also allows effort/reward to more closely aligned | 19:45 |
| MeganR | +1 | 19:46 |
| shamail | next: “Contributors to Superuser (articles, interviews, user stories, etc.)” | 19:46 |
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| shamail | Criteria: “Listed as author in at least one publication at superuser.openstack.org over the last six months” | 19:46 |
| maishsk | This is an easy one | 19:46 |
| shamail | Is one publication sufficient? | 19:46 |
| MeganR | yes | 19:47 |
| shamail | I dont think there are that many superuser articles | 19:47 |
| shamail | cool | 19:47 |
| shamail | agreed maishsk | 19:47 |
| shamail | Next: “Submission for eligibility to review panel” | 19:47 |
| maishsk | acutally there are at least 2-3 per week | 19:47 |
| shamail | so 48-72 in six months | 19:48 |
| shamail | roughly | 19:48 |
| shamail | which isn’t bad… | 19:48 |
| shamail | Even if we make the criteria single publication, it’s not a massive amount | 19:48 |
| MeganR | I am good with one | 19:48 |
| shamail | We can always revisit the required count after we run the initial total AUC count | 19:49 |
| maishsk | And we are talking about articles? | 19:49 |
| shamail | maishsk: yes | 19:49 |
| maishsk | And not posts about Video interviews? | 19:49 |
| shamail | but I think it is broader | 19:49 |
| shamail | Those count too… most videos also have an associated article | 19:49 |
| shamail | the person might not be the author but would be mentioned as the source of content | 19:50 |
| maishsk | shamail: I am not sure about that | 19:50 |
| MeganR | I think that is fine to start, and we can always revisit | 19:50 |
| shamail | I think people actually wanted to remove SuperuserTV, etc from the criteria | 19:50 |
| maishsk | take this for example - http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/going-from-startup-to-established-in-the-openstack-ecosystem | 19:50 |
| shamail | because they didnt feel one 5-10 min interview was on-par with the effort required for other categories | 19:51 |
| shamail | article at least takes longer | 19:51 |
| shamail | Yeah, so if we say it counts then Jesse and Boris would be AUC | 19:51 |
| shamail | Most people said don’t count it because the effort is minimal | 19:51 |
| MeganR | don't underestimate the stress associated with an interview :) | 19:51 |
| maishsk | :) | 19:51 |
| shamail | lol MeganR | 19:52 |
| maishsk | been there done that :) | 19:52 |
| MeganR | +1000 | 19:52 |
| shamail | So should we include it for now and revisit if people object? | 19:52 |
| MeganR | no, I think the articles are fine | 19:52 |
| maishsk | I am fine with also excluding for now and adding it in later - if people object | 19:53 |
| shamail | Great | 19:53 |
| maishsk | and I think that is exactly what MeganR also just said | 19:53 |
| shamail | next: “Submission for eligibility to review panel” | 19:53 |
| maishsk | or perhaps not? | 19:53 |
| MeganR | lol | 19:53 |
| shamail | criteria: “No formal criteria, anyone can self-nominate, and nominations will be reviewed per guidance established in milestone-5” | 19:53 |
| shamail | basically for this one the answer is that there are no hard and fast rules and the process will be defined in the next milestone | 19:54 |
| MeganR | I like this one as it stands, but in the future would like to develop a template - so certain information is obtained and submitted, making it easier for the UC to review. | 19:54 |
| shamail | MeganR: +1, you can take the action item in milestone-5 ;) | 19:54 |
| maishsk | :) | 19:54 |
| MeganR | lol - I will keep quiet from here on out! | 19:55 |
| shamail | jokes aside, that should definitely be an output of milestone-5.. common questions | 19:55 |
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| MeganR | +1 | 19:55 |
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| shamail | Aaaand last one: “Active moderators on ask.openstack” | 19:55 |
| shamail | Criteria: “Listed as moderator on Ask OpenStack and have over 500 karma” | 19:55 |
| shamail | I checked out the ask moderator karma ranks | 19:56 |
| maishsk | What does 500 karma mean? | 19:56 |
| shamail | You get karma when people like your answer or accept it | 19:56 |
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| maishsk | is 500 karma a lot ? a whole lot? how active ? | 19:56 |
| shamail | If the threshold is 500 then approxiately 35 moderators would get AUC | 19:56 |
| shamail | It is a decent amount, there is a huge tail on karma in Ask OpenStack | 19:57 |
| shamail | the #1 has like 10,000 | 19:57 |
| shamail | by #35, we are at 501 | 19:57 |
| shamail | and there are over 500+ people overall | 19:57 |
| MeganR | oh wow - I think that is a good place to start, and can refine if we find there is more active participation. | 19:57 |
| maishsk | +1 | 19:58 |
| shamail | cool | 19:58 |
| shamail | the only other issue here is time horizon | 19:58 |
| MeganR | The time frame for this I think should be 6 mo as well, based on everything else | 19:58 |
| shamail | Ask OpenStack doesn’t show how much karma someone obtained in 6 months so we can say “earn 100 karma in six months” | 19:58 |
| MeganR | does that fit the 500? | 19:58 |
| MeganR | how about 250 | 19:58 |
| shamail | if the criteria is “500 karma” then that makes anyone with over 500 permanently eligibke | 19:59 |
| maishsk | But karma does not measure on a 6 month cycle - it from the day they started until now | 19:59 |
| shamail | #link https://ask.openstack.org/en/users/?sort=reputation | 19:59 |
| maishsk | I think this one might need some more thought | 19:59 |
| shamail | each page has 30 people | 19:59 |
| MeganR | hmm, what if they started within the past 6 months? | 19:59 |
| shamail | so 250 would mean about 100 people | 19:59 |
| shamail | exactly maishsk | 20:00 |
| shamail | MeganR: then if they achieve the karma threshold they would be eligible, otherwise not | 20:00 |
| maishsk | let’s defer this point to next week? | 20:00 |
| shamail | there is no way in ask.openstack.org to say “show me the karma for user over this date range" | 20:00 |
| MeganR | I agree with maishsk - need to think about this more | 20:00 |
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| maishsk | I can take an AI to think of possible ways to measure this and present next meeting | 20:01 |
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| shamail | The counter-point here is that once you’ve answered a question | 20:01 |
| shamail | the solution could be valid for a long time | 20:01 |
| shamail | so, in theory, something you answered a year ago could still be helping people today | 20:01 |
| shamail | thanks maishsk | 20:02 |
| maishsk | I have to drop | 20:02 |
| shamail | #action maishsk to propose metrics for ask openstack | 20:02 |
| maishsk | This was really productiive (As always!!) | 20:02 |
| shamail | sounds good maishsk | 20:02 |
| shamail | We are done! | 20:02 |
| shamail | I will send out this etherpad over the ML to get more feedback from the community | 20:02 |
| MeganR | Great! | 20:02 |
| shamail | and let Tom know that he can run initial numbers using this set of requirements | 20:02 |
| shamail | Thanks for joining MeganR and maishsk | 20:03 |
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| MeganR | sounds good - interested in seeing the numbers | 20:03 |
| maishsk | thanks for Chairing shamail | 20:03 |
| shamail | #action shamail to send etherpad via ML for further community discussion | 20:03 |
| MeganR | thank you for pulling all of this together - really helped move things along! | 20:03 |
| shamail | Same here! looking forward to prelim numbers | 20:03 |
| shamail | Thank you both for helping with the process! We are getting there!! | 20:03 |
| shamail | bye | 20:03 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 20:03:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:03 |
| MeganR | bye! | 20:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-06-16-19.01.html | 20:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-06-16-19.01.txt | 20:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-06-16-19.01.log.html | 20:04 |
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| DevonBoatwright | #startmeeting ops_guide | 21:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 21:30:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is DevonBoatwright. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:30 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_guide' | 21:30 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hello.. anyone here yet? | 21:30 |
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| darrenc | hi! | 21:31 |
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| DevonBoatwright | Hey darrenc! | 21:31 |
| darrenc | how are you? | 21:31 |
| DevonBoatwright | Good! How're you doing? | 21:32 |
| vhoward | o/ | 21:32 |
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| darrenc | not too bad | 21:32 |
| darrenc | hey vic | 21:32 |
| vhoward | hey everyone | 21:32 |
| DevonBoatwright | So I think Shilla will be here but I can't remember | 21:33 |
| darrenc | ok cool | 21:33 |
| DevonBoatwright | ok. She won't be here so I'll just get started | 21:33 |
| darrenc | let me update the agenda | 21:33 |
| darrenc | ok done | 21:34 |
| DevonBoatwright | Oh good.. ok | 21:34 |
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| DevonBoatwright | #topic Ops Guide | 21:34 |
| njohnston | o/ | 21:34 |
| DevonBoatwright | Did that work? I haven't chaired a meeting in a while and I missed a couple meeting | 21:35 |
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| vhoward | dont think so? | 21:35 |
| DevonBoatwright | According to the agenda it looks like we still need people to be removed and/or updated in the ops guide. | 21:36 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hm... ok.. let me try that again | 21:36 |
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| DevonBoatwright | No, I think that should have worked. It will be bolded in the archives | 21:36 |
| vhoward | k | 21:37 |
| DevonBoatwright | So here's the link for the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-guide-reorg | 21:37 |
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| DevonBoatwright | So.. it sounds like we need some volunteers.. | 21:38 |
| darrenc | hi bsv | 21:38 |
| darrenc | welcome | 21:38 |
| bsv | darrenc o/ | 21:38 |
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| darrenc | yeah we need more ops ppl to review the ops guide | 21:38 |
| vhoward | where are folks signing up again? | 21:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi everyone! I am here lurking | 21:38 |
| vhoward | just on the etherpad, and hey shilla | 21:38 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hey Shilla! | 21:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | wokring on another project that has a due date so im halfway here | 21:38 |
| darrenc | yeah etherpad | 21:39 |
| darrenc | hi shilla | 21:39 |
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| darrenc | Really it's just picking a chapter or section and commenting if it is out of date or should be moved to another guide | 21:40 |
| darrenc | I've added my comments on there | 21:40 |
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| darrenc | for instance, there's a section on contributing to openstack which doesn't belong in the ops guide | 21:40 |
| darrenc | also I've moved some of the architecture chapter to the Arch Guide | 21:41 |
| vhoward | that makes sense | 21:42 |
| darrenc | but will only remove that content from the ops guide when the new Arch Guide is published | 21:42 |
| DevonBoatwright | ok. | 21:42 |
| darrenc | Anyway I'll commit some patches to remove content in the ops guide, and let everyone know on the ops ML | 21:43 |
| darrenc | so ppl can review the changes | 21:44 |
| DevonBoatwright | That sounds good, darren | 21:44 |
| DevonBoatwright | So, should we move on to Enterprise Ops Documentation? | 21:44 |
| darrenc | sure | 21:44 |
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| DevonBoatwright | #topic Enterprise Ops Documentation | 21:45 |
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| DevonBoatwright | I don't know what that is? | 21:45 |
| DevonBoatwright | heh | 21:45 |
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| darrenc | ops documentation from companies | 21:46 |
| darrenc | basically an initiative to contribute content upstream | 21:46 |
| DevonBoatwright | Ah ok.. cool | 21:46 |
| darrenc | Thanks ShillaSaebi for providing some docs | 21:47 |
| vhoward | sounds good | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | no problem let me know if those are along the right track | 21:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | i can get much more if they are | 21:47 |
| darrenc | I'm still trying to find what i source from Rackspac | 21:47 |
| darrenc | Rackspace* | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | if not, i can look for others and get them up | 21:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:48 |
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| darrenc | I guess we should poke at those docs and see how we could be used for the ops guide | 21:49 |
| darrenc | s/how we/what | 21:49 |
| bsv | Ent. Ops doc, would that be stuff like on-boarding procedures? | 21:49 |
| vhoward | some m&p's as well | 21:50 |
| darrenc | I think troubleshooting stuff | 21:50 |
| vhoward | yep | 21:50 |
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| darrenc | shall we move on? | 21:52 |
| DevonBoatwright | Sure! I'm always scared to move along too quickly. | 21:52 |
| DevonBoatwright | #topic Arch Guide | 21:52 |
| DevonBoatwright | Here's the work items wiki page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Architecture_Design_Guide_restructure_work_items | 21:52 |
| darrenc | Yeah I need to update that with things to migrate from mitaka | 21:53 |
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| darrenc | Shaun hasn't been around, he's moving countries | 21:54 |
| darrenc | I think that's about it | 21:55 |
| DevonBoatwright | #topic Open Discussion | 21:55 |
| DevonBoatwright | There's a note that we need volunteers to attend ops meetings: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Operators_Tag_Group_Meeting | 21:55 |
| darrenc | So I sent out an email to this team about this | 21:56 |
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| darrenc | the ops-related meeting I could see were: Ops Tools and Monitoring - Every two weeks (on odd weeks) on Wednesday at 1900 UTC (http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_OSOps/Monitoring_and_Tools_Working_Group) | 21:57 |
| vhoward | ah okay | 21:57 |
| darrenc | Operators Tag Group meeting - Every two weeks (on odd weeks) on Thursday at 1400 UTC (http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Operators_Tag_Group_Meeting) | 21:57 |
| darrenc | OpenStack Operators Telco and NFV - Every two weeks (on even weeks) on Wednesday at 1900 (UTC http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_Operators_Telco_and_NFV_Working_Group) | 21:58 |
| darrenc | we need some volunteets to attend | 21:58 |
| darrenc | volunteers* | 21:58 |
| DevonBoatwright | I looked at the Tag Group meeting. I might attend that one. | 21:58 |
| darrenc | ok thanks | 21:58 |
| vhoward | I can do take telco | 21:58 |
| vhoward | do AND take it | 21:58 |
| darrenc | lol | 21:59 |
| darrenc | thanks | 21:59 |
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| darrenc | I could attend the Ops Tools but it is a 5am meeting for me | 21:59 |
| darrenc | that's pushing it :) | 22:00 |
| DevonBoatwright | 5am.. who is ever up that early? heehee | 22:00 |
| darrenc | so the purpose of attending is to recruit more ops to review the ops guide and possibly join this team | 22:00 |
| DevonBoatwright | ok | 22:01 |
| darrenc | DevonBoatwright: well if you're a parent... | 22:01 |
| vhoward | yeah only crazy people | 22:01 |
| DevonBoatwright | ;) | 22:01 |
| bsv | lol | 22:01 |
| DevonBoatwright | I am.. but to teens. I get up that early to hit the gym.. like crazy person. lol | 22:01 |
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| darrenc | I have a 1 year old who just started sleeping through the night | 22:02 |
| darrenc | so I'm enjoying my "sleep in" | 22:02 |
| DevonBoatwright | Oh yea.. I remember those days.. and I'm glad they're over! heh | 22:03 |
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| darrenc | if you can call 6am a sleep in | 22:03 |
| DevonBoatwright | I actually do... | 22:03 |
| DevonBoatwright | So I guess I can do like an action.. hang on.. | 22:04 |
| DevonBoatwright | #action DevonBoatwright attending Operators Tag Group Meeting | 22:04 |
| DevonBoatwright | I wonder if that worked | 22:04 |
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| darrenc | it should | 22:05 |
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| darrenc | fyi: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ChairaMeeting | 22:05 |
| DevonBoatwright | #action vhoward attending OpenStack_Operatores_Telco_and_NFV_Working_Group | 22:05 |
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| DevonBoatwright | Yea, I have that up.. I keep flipping back and forth | 22:05 |
| DevonBoatwright | And I have another irc page up with commands. | 22:06 |
| DevonBoatwright | I should have used the link command for those links. I hope they come up in the logs | 22:06 |
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| DevonBoatwright | I have nothing else on the agenda up for discussion.. | 22:07 |
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| darrenc | that's all from me | 22:08 |
| DevonBoatwright | okie. Shall we end this meeting? | 22:08 |
| darrenc | actually one last action item | 22:08 |
| DevonBoatwright | ok.. | 22:08 |
| darrenc | sorry to backtrack | 22:08 |
| DevonBoatwright | No worries.. we have an hour. :) | 22:09 |
| darrenc | for the team to review enterprise docs | 22:09 |
| DevonBoatwright | #topic review enterprise docs | 22:10 |
| DevonBoatwright | #action team to review enterprise docs | 22:10 |
| darrenc | thanks | 22:10 |
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| DevonBoatwright | np | 22:10 |
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| DevonBoatwright | ok.. If that was the last item to bring up, then I will go ahead and end the meeting. | 22:11 |
| DevonBoatwright | Thanks everyone for joining today! | 22:11 |
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| darrenc | thanks everyone | 22:12 |
| DevonBoatwright | #endmeeting | 22:12 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 22:12:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-06-16-21.30.html | 22:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-06-16-21.30.txt | 22:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-06-16-21.30.log.html | 22:12 |
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