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| njohnston | #startmeeting fwaas | 04:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 15 04:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is njohnston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fwaas' | 04:00 |
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| njohnston | Hello all! | 04:00 |
| yushiro | hello :) | 04:00 |
| njohnston | #chair SridarK xgerman | 04:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK njohnston xgerman | 04:00 |
| xgerman | o/ | 04:00 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 04:00 |
| SridarK | shall we get started | 04:01 |
| njohnston | Indeed! | 04:01 |
| chandanc | Hello all | 04:01 |
| SridarK | padkrish is out on PTO so most likely will not join | 04:01 |
| yushiro | SridarK, OK. Thanks you. | 04:02 |
| SridarK | #topic FWaaS v2 | 04:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FWaaS v2 (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:02 | |
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| SridarK | njohnston: thanks for the db patch - i am working thru the integration | 04:02 |
| njohnston | Excellent, I am glad we are starting to see some real velocity here | 04:03 |
| SridarK | as expected - i am going thru some initial teething issues | 04:03 |
| SridarK | nothing major | 04:03 |
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| SridarK | i am creating the new tables manually - i hope by end of day tomorrow - i will atleast have gotten rid of some of the tracebacks | 04:03 |
| SridarK | so will continue with that | 04:04 |
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| njohnston | excellent | 04:04 |
| SridarK | yushiro: on the agent front - how are things | 04:05 |
| SridarK | things u would like to discuss | 04:05 |
| yushiro | SridarK, last week, we discussed with paddu and decided some A.I. | 04:05 |
| yushiro | SridarK, My A.I is asking ajo and Ihar about adding L2 extension patch into neutron. | 04:06 |
| SridarK | yushiro: ok | 04:06 |
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| yushiro | SridarK, But I'm sorry. I couldn't reach out ajo/Ihar last week. (No timing on IRC..) | 04:06 |
| SridarK | yushiro: ok no worries - perhaps this week u can close on that | 04:07 |
| njohnston | yushiro: Let me know if there is anything I/we can do to help | 04:07 |
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| yushiro | SridarK, Thanks. I'll send e-mail them again and try to reach out on IRC. | 04:07 |
| SridarK | yushiro: ok perfect | 04:08 |
| yushiro | njohnston, Yes. I'll do that. Thanks for your help :) | 04:08 |
| SridarK | Moving to the driver, I dont see mickeys online. chandanc: SarathMekala: things u would like to bring up or discuss ? | 04:09 |
| chandanc | I have had a look at the conntrack side | 04:10 |
| SridarK | i know u were in discussion with mickeys on getting a bug opened to clean things up on neutron amongst other things | 04:10 |
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| chandanc | Ya, i cond not proceed beyond the initial discussion about conntrack | 04:11 |
| SridarK | i think mickeys is getting busy with some other things - but he mentioned that he is available for any discussions | 04:11 |
| SarathMekala | I had a closure on the discussion with Mickey.. will send across an etherpad on it | 04:11 |
| chandanc | ok will ping him and start proceeding on the driver patch | 04:12 |
| SridarK | chandanc: SarathMekala: ok great. yes pls feel free to reach him via email or IRC | 04:12 |
| SarathMekala | srue | 04:12 |
| njohnston | SarathMekala and chandanc: Did either of you get an idea about the neutron change to relocate the ACCEPT? | 04:12 |
| chandanc | Did you guys had a look at the singleton patch ? do you have any feedback ? | 04:12 |
| SridarK | chandanc: can u pls point to the patch | 04:13 |
| njohnston | chandanc: I did not, apologies. Can you send the URL? | 04:13 |
| chandanc | No i have not looked at the exact iptables rules, i can give an update this week though | 04:13 |
| njohnston | chandanc: Thanks! | 04:13 |
| chandanc | sure | 04:13 |
| chandanc | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/510538/ | 04:14 |
| njohnston | #action multiple folks to review http://paste.openstack.org/show/510538/ | 04:14 |
| * njohnston notes shwetaap pushed a new patchset for the rest API change, and it has a lot more in the way of tests: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264489/ | 04:14 | |
| SridarK | ok sounds good | 04:15 |
| SridarK | chandanc: any thing else to discuss ? | 04:15 |
| chandanc | nothing more for now | 04:15 |
| shwetaap | thanks njohnston, yea i just pushed it out. I may have a few more tests to add. Will add to the patch | 04:16 |
| SridarK | ok | 04:16 |
| xgerman | nice | 04:16 |
| SridarK | shwetaap: circling back - thx for the update | 04:16 |
| SridarK | shwetaap: i have started with the original patch for my integration - i will update | 04:16 |
| shwetaap | SridarK: sounds good. | 04:17 |
| SridarK | xgerman: njohnston: other things to cover on v2 ? | 04:17 |
| xgerman | no I think w are good | 04:18 |
| njohnston | I have my v2 work on hold while I work on the l3 agent extension | 04:18 |
| SridarK | njohnston: yes understood - u have given me enough to go on | 04:18 |
| SridarK | njohnston: i will let u know if i hit issues | 04:18 |
| njohnston | SridarK: Sounds like a good plan | 04:19 |
| SridarK | #topic L3Agent extension | 04:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "L3Agent extension (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:19 | |
| SridarK | njohnston: pls go ahead | 04:19 |
| njohnston | First implementation patch for the l3 agent extension is up: https://review.openstack.org/329701 "Move agent extension mechanism out of L2 agent" | 04:19 |
| njohnston | I figure that si the first bit, then I will proceed with the more intrusive agent changes. | 04:19 |
| njohnston | Note that patch is super-WIP, I haven't really attended to the breakage in the tests yet - that is tomorrow | 04:20 |
| SridarK | njohnston: great - i took a quick look at this - i think getting out of L2 was a good first step | 04:20 |
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| SridarK | njohnston: so the extensions manager bit can be pretty much commonized without any issues ? | 04:21 |
| njohnston | As far as the server side, the notification driver, it's a little stickier extricating out the l2 agent specific code form the general notification logic, and I have a question out to ajo, since he wrote that code | 04:21 |
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| njohnston | SridarK: I believe that part is highly generic, so yes, I am optimistic it can be generalized with very few issues | 04:21 |
| SridarK | njohnston: ok that would be nice | 04:21 |
| njohnston | that is the lowest of the low hanging fruit in this endeavor | 04:21 |
| SridarK | :-) | 04:21 |
| njohnston | So that divides the work into more achieveable sections | 04:23 |
| njohnston | and I will proceed delivering them seriatim | 04:23 |
| SridarK | Sounds good | 04:23 |
| njohnston | That is it for me | 04:24 |
| SridarK | i am quite familiar with the FWaaS L3 Agent pieces - so i can definitely help bolt that in | 04:24 |
| njohnston | excellent | 04:24 |
| SridarK | njohnston: nice work on the spec - i think most issues are covered | 04:24 |
| njohnston | what rpc messages does l3 fwaas need to be sensitive to? | 04:24 |
| SridarK | once Ihar acks ur last rev - we shd be good | 04:24 |
| SridarK | njohnston: these would be for the FWaaS resources | 04:25 |
| SridarK | when we create a Firewall Group | 04:25 |
| SridarK | or if we update a rule or a policy in a Firewall Group | 04:25 |
| SridarK | IIRC, we use one topic to push these from the plugin to the agent | 04:26 |
| njohnston | yes, but it would also need to be sensitive to, say, a port delete, so it would clean up any rules specific to that port's firewalling, yes? | 04:26 |
| SridarK | and we had a reverse for things the agent reported back to the plugin (like if something failed) | 04:26 |
| SridarK | njohnston: yes exactly as we introduce the port attribute | 04:26 |
| SridarK | njohnston: previously we had an update out if the router that the FW was installed on changes | 04:27 |
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| njohnston | could you send me a ppinter to where that logic is when you get a chance? | 04:28 |
| SridarK | njohnston: although will need to look at parallels with the L2 case where u had mentioned that we shared the rpc | 04:28 |
| njohnston | (doesnt need to be right now) | 04:28 |
| SridarK | njohnston: surely | 04:28 |
| njohnston | thanks! | 04:28 |
| SridarK | njohnston: essentially all the CRUD methods will trigger a push to the agent (if there is a Firewall Group) | 04:29 |
| njohnston | ok | 04:29 |
| * xgerman finished another call and can now pay full attention | 04:29 | |
| xgerman | SridarK +1 | 04:29 |
| SridarK | xgerman: totally understand | 04:30 |
| xgerman | and then the agent will figure out if the change affects the ports it manages and ask for the info — or in v 0.5 always asks for the info | 04:30 |
| njohnston | ok | 04:30 |
| SridarK | xgerman: +1 - i need to go thru that logic a bit more for the new implementation model | 04:31 |
| SridarK | njohnston: other things u would like to discuss here | 04:31 |
| njohnston | not in the l3 topic, no | 04:31 |
| SridarK | #topic Devstack plugin for FWaaS | 04:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Devstack plugin for FWaaS (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:32 | |
| SridarK | #link https://review.openstack.org/214350 | 04:32 |
| SridarK | njohnston: thx for confirming - clearly i dont see the db migration script running thru | 04:32 |
| njohnston | It sounds to me like migrations are only getting partially executed | 04:32 |
| SridarK | yes | 04:33 |
| SridarK | the router association table is not getting created, so when we do a firewall-create - we fail with the table being absent | 04:33 |
| chandanc | question: do you guys not see the association table created ? | 04:33 |
| njohnston | I need to bone up a bit on how migrations get executed I guess, since I can't make heads or tails of this issue yet | 04:33 |
| SridarK | chandanc: i did not see it | 04:33 |
| chandanc | oh, i just re stacked, and was able to create a router | 04:34 |
| SridarK | and i asked njohnston: to confirm - just to be sure that i did not get something messed up on my setup | 04:34 |
| SridarK | chandanc: ok i have a router too | 04:34 |
| SridarK | chandanc: but are u able to create a firewall ? | 04:34 |
| SridarK | i can create rules and policies | 04:35 |
| chandanc | yes | 04:35 |
| xgerman | know they changed migrations around a bit | 04:35 |
| SridarK | chandanc: ok so i may have a red herring ? | 04:35 |
| xgerman | but forgot the deails | 04:35 |
| chandanc | ok , will recheck and let you know by mail | 04:35 |
| SridarK | xgerman: yes that is correct | 04:35 |
| njohnston | chandanc: Did you try with the devstack plugin patch? | 04:35 |
| chandanc | ya i did | 04:36 |
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| njohnston | ok, I will restack tomorrow with a freshly created VM and see what happens | 04:36 |
| chandanc | please go on, will let you know once my stack is redone | 04:36 |
| SridarK | chandanc: u are using enable_service fwaas ? | 04:36 |
| chandanc | yes, will also share my local.conf | 04:37 |
| njohnston | #action njohnston to restack with a fresh VM and see if migrations happened | 04:37 |
| njohnston | chandanc: +1 thanks! | 04:37 |
| SridarK | chandanc: ok great | 04:37 |
| xgerman | we should put a sample local.conf in our project | 04:37 |
| SridarK | lets carry on the conversation in email | 04:37 |
| SridarK | xgerman: +1 lets do that right after this patch merges | 04:37 |
| xgerman | we can also use our shiny new channel | 04:37 |
| xgerman | ;-) | 04:37 |
| SridarK | :-) | 04:37 |
| chandanc | xgerman: i think we can update the README in the devstack plugin | 04:38 |
| xgerman | thar, too | 04:38 |
| SridarK | actually the README does have this | 04:38 |
| SarathMekala | yes | 04:38 |
| chandanc | ok, sorry for the confusion | 04:39 |
| SridarK | chandanc: ok thx - we can sync over email | 04:39 |
| njohnston | devstack readme in the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214350/18/devstack/README.rst | 04:39 |
| SarathMekala | was about to mention that | 04:39 |
| xgerman | well, I know we added a sample local.conf in LBaaSand that helped a lot… some project even have vagrant files... | 04:39 |
| SridarK | #action SridarK to clean up some of the setup documentation | 04:39 |
| xgerman | sample local.conf is far more tune-key ;-) | 04:39 |
| xgerman | turn-key | 04:39 |
| SridarK | ok i think we have beaten this to death :-) | 04:41 |
| SridarK | hopefully by tomorrow we can all be on the same page | 04:41 |
| njohnston | +1 | 04:42 |
| chandanc | +1 | 04:42 |
| SridarK | #topic Open Discussion | 04:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:42 | |
| njohnston | The bot should be on #openstack-fwaas probably tomorrow, thanks to infra liason intervention by dougwig. Thanks dougwig! | 04:43 |
| SridarK | njohnston: thanks for initiating this | 04:43 |
| xgerman | +1 | 04:44 |
| njohnston | It seemed like the logical next step | 04:44 |
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| chandanc | question: had a quick look at the l3 patch, do you think the agent_extension interface will change to support l3 extensions or we are going to handle updates at the port level ? | 04:44 |
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| SridarK | chandanc: we will have to handle the L3 port thru the L3 agent ext i/f | 04:45 |
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| chandanc | SridarK: i mean the methods of the agent_extension.py #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329701/1/neutron/agent/agent_extension.py | 04:47 |
| njohnston | chandanc: The l3 agent extensions manager will load the fwaas extension, and the fwaas extension will register for port updates directly | 04:47 |
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| njohnston | The updates don't need to pass through the extension manager on the agent side. | 04:48 |
| njohnston | rpc updates | 04:48 |
| chandanc | ok, so the l3 extension will be called for each port created ? | 04:48 |
| chandanc | or only the l3 ports ? | 04:48 |
| SridarK | There will port updates and then FW resource updates binding to a specific port | 04:49 |
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| SridarK | chandanc: we will need to do this if there is a FW bound to that port | 04:49 |
| xgerman | we will have calls through the L3 extension and then our CRUD calls -port, FW Rule, etc. | 04:49 |
| xgerman | so practically the L3 extension will be called for each port created on the router and each L2 port relevant to us | 04:50 |
| chandanc | ok suer, will go through the patch and come back | 04:50 |
| SridarK | other things any one would like to bring up ? | 04:51 |
| njohnston | chandanc: And understand that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329701 is still super WIP - it's hours old, and I am working out the kinks. :-) | 04:52 |
| yushiro | njohnston, If your patch will be merged, I don't need to register some resources on L2 side? | 04:52 |
| njohnston | yushiro: This shouldn't change anything for the L2 side, since the L2 agent will still need to implement rules on VM ports. | 04:53 |
| xgerman | +1 | 04:53 |
| yushiro | njohnston, Ah, I see. I understand your patch effects only L3 side. Thanks. | 04:54 |
| xgerman | we hope to share some code between L2 and L3 eventually | 04:54 |
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| njohnston | It seems unnatural for this part of the code not to be shared. | 04:54 |
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| SridarK | njohnston: i think we can commonize some of the FW - port binding stuff on the agent | 04:55 |
| njohnston | SridarK: +1 | 04:55 |
| SridarK | njohnston: once we have some things working | 04:55 |
| njohnston | indeed | 04:56 |
| SridarK | ok if nothing else - we can close out | 04:56 |
| yushiro | Thank you all! | 04:57 |
| njohnston | thanks! | 04:57 |
| SridarK | ok thanks all and we can exchg emails as needed | 04:57 |
| xgerman | Thanks a lot! I will hammer out some reviews :-) | 04:57 |
| chandanc | thanks | 04:57 |
| * SarathMekala says bye bye o/ | 04:58 | |
| xgerman | o/ | 04:58 |
| njohnston | #endmeeting | 04:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 15 04:58:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-06-15-04.00.html | 04:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-06-15-04.00.txt | 04:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-06-15-04.00.log.html | 04:58 |
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| yamamot__ | hi | 05:32 |
| kaz | hi | 05:32 |
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| yamamot__ | #startmeeting taas | 05:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 15 05:33:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamamot__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:33 |
| yamamot__ | #topic agenda | 05:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:33 | |
| yamamot__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas#Agenda_.282016-06-15.29 | 05:33 |
| yamamot__ | #topic do we still aim to make a release compatible with mitaka? | 05:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "do we still aim to make a release compatible with mitaka? (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:34 | |
| yamamot__ | it has been postponed in the last meeting because of the lack of quorum | 05:35 |
| yamamot__ | but it seems we have even fewer this week :-( | 05:35 |
| kaz | yes | 05:35 |
| yamamot__ | let's bring it on ml | 05:35 |
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| kaz | ok | 05:36 |
| yamamot__ | #action yamamoto raise the release topic on ml | 05:36 |
| yamamot__ | #topic gate blocker https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326231/ | 05:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "gate blocker https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326231/ (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:36 | |
| yamamot__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326231/ | 05:36 |
| yamamot__ | this is a fix for the gate blocking issue | 05:37 |
| yamamot__ | please review. | 05:37 |
| yamamot__ | #topic Open Discussion | 05:37 |
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| yamamot__ | anyone has any topic? | 05:37 |
| kaz | yamamoto_: thank you for your comment for my patchset. | 05:38 |
| yamamot__ | np | 05:38 |
| kaz | what do you mean "populate" ? | 05:38 |
| yamamot__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324367/ | 05:38 |
| kaz | thanks | 05:38 |
| yamamot__ | i meant that, if there are existing rows, their status somehow need to be set. | 05:39 |
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| kaz | i see | 05:39 |
| kaz | i will update it. | 05:40 |
| yamamot__ | i think ADD COLUMN can specify the default value. i don't know how it can be specified via sqlalchemy though. | 05:40 |
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| yamamot__ | i guess there are good examples in neutron migration scripts | 05:41 |
| muawiakhan | +1 | 05:41 |
| kaz | thanks, i will see that | 05:41 |
| yamamot__ | muawiakhan: hi, can you remind me who are you? my memory is dim. | 05:43 |
| yamamot__ | fawad's coworker? | 05:45 |
| muawiakhan | @yamamot__ :) I think we haven't met before or talked directly. I work with Fawad. | 05:45 |
| muawiakhan | yamamot__: you got that right ;-) | 05:45 |
| yamamot__ | ok, google is great :-) | 05:45 |
| kaz | +1 | 05:46 |
| muawiakhan | lol | 05:46 |
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| yamamot__ | muawiakhan: what's your interest wrt taas? plumgrid support? | 05:47 |
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| muawiakhan | @yamamot__ yes, and to follow up on the latest and the greatest. | 05:49 |
| yamamot__ | in that case, i guess you are interested in this patch | 05:49 |
| yamamot__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307708/ | 05:50 |
| muawiakhan | I can also take some action items if need be. | 05:50 |
| yamamot__ | it was necessary for midonet, but should be useful for other vendor drivers | 05:50 |
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| muawiakhan | will take a look. thanks | 05:50 |
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| yamamot__ | there are a lot of todos. currently we are trying to concentrate to fix the functionality we already have, rather than adding new features. | 05:51 |
| yamamot__ | a few important bugs are: | 05:52 |
| yamamot__ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tap-as-a-service/+bug/1501792 | 05:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1501792 in tap-as-a-service "lack of automated tests" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to YAMAMOTO Takashi (yamamoto) | 05:52 |
| yamamot__ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tap-as-a-service/+bug/1535993 | 05:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1535993 in tap-as-a-service "Convert TaaS to a Neutron L2 extension" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 05:52 |
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| yamamot__ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tap-as-a-service/+bug/1565622 | 05:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1565622 in tap-as-a-service "OSC support" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 05:53 |
| yamamot__ | it's great if you can take some of them | 05:54 |
| muawiakhan | i will take a look. | 05:55 |
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| yamamot__ | i guess the poor coverage of automatic tests is the most important issue for vendors who want to implement their own. | 05:55 |
| kaz | i will consider. | 05:55 |
| reedip | hi | 05:55 |
| yamamot__ | reedip: hi! | 05:55 |
| muawiakhan | will need to catch up on some stuff. but will update. | 05:55 |
| reedip | sorry I was busy with other tasks | 05:56 |
| reedip | now I have a bit of bandwidth available | 05:56 |
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| yamamot__ | kaz: thank you | 05:57 |
| yamamot__ | reedip: do you have any update on l2 agent extension? | 05:57 |
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| reedip | yamamot__ : no, sorry | 05:57 |
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| yamamot__ | reedip: alright. do you still want to work on it? | 06:01 |
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| reedip | yamamot__ : I need some help, the arch is not clear to me | 06:04 |
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| yamamot__ | which part of arch? | 06:07 |
| reedip | How to implement it as an extension | 06:08 |
| reedip | davidsa helped but it was still not clear | 06:08 |
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| reedip | I will checkout the ovs implementation again | 06:11 |
| yamamot__ | have you looked at qos extension? | 06:12 |
| reedip | I didnt check it out completely | 06:14 |
| reedip | I will try to complete it today and ping you if I have any doubts | 06:14 |
| yamamot__ | it comsumes rpcs and handles port events. these are necessary for taas as well i guess. | 06:15 |
| reedip | Can you resend the link if possible ? | 06:15 |
| yamamot__ | link? | 06:15 |
| reedip | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251738/ ?? | 06:17 |
| yamamot__ | yes | 06:18 |
| yamamot__ | it's better to look at the code in master though | 06:18 |
| reedip | umm, I was thinking this would explain what chages they did | 06:19 |
| reedip | but ok | 06:19 |
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| yamamot__ | neutron/plugins/ml2/drivers/openvswitch/agent/extension_drivers/qos_driver.py and neutron/agent/l2/extensions/qos.py are important files for our purpose | 06:20 |
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| reedip_ | Ok | 06:21 |
| yamamot__ | 8 mins left. does anyone have any other topics? | 06:22 |
| reedip_ | Nope | 06:23 |
| kaz | I have no more topics. | 06:23 |
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| yamamot__ | it seems we've done | 06:25 |
| yamamot__ | thank you for attending! | 06:25 |
| yamamot__ | #endmeeting | 06:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:25 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 15 06:25:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-06-15-05.33.html | 06:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-06-15-05.33.txt | 06:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-06-15-05.33.log.html | 06:25 |
| kaz | thank you, bye | 06:25 |
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| domi007 | ~ | 13:00 |
| claudiub | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 15 13:00:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is claudiub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:00 |
| claudiub | hellooo | 13:00 |
| domi007 | hi all :) | 13:01 |
| c64cosmin | O/ | 13:01 |
| abalutoiu | hello | 13:01 |
| kvinod | hi all | 13:01 |
| sagar_nikam | Hi All | 13:01 |
| lpetrut | Hi | 13:01 |
| claudiub | #topic designate status | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "designate status (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:01 | |
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| iuliat | hi | 13:02 |
| claudiub | sooo... abalutoiu is at the testing phase of the designate stuff | 13:02 |
| claudiub | he has already submitted a patch on os-win, and the one on designate is going to be submitted when it's fully reliable. | 13:02 |
| claudiub | abalutoiu: links? | 13:03 |
| claudiub | including the launchpad blueprint. | 13:03 |
| abalutoiu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327846 | 13:03 |
| abalutoiu | that is the os-win patch which adds support for DNS server operations | 13:03 |
| abalutoiu | blueprint on designate for msdns: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/msdns-backend-support | 13:04 |
| claudiub | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/designate/+spec/msdns-backend-support | 13:04 |
| claudiub | thanks. :) | 13:04 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: we saw a mail from designate PTL last week, i saw your reply as well, can we post the os-win changes to him | 13:04 |
| sagar_nikam | this will let the designate team know that work is in progress | 13:05 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: I think we should email him when abalutoiu says it's ready and the patch has been submitted | 13:05 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: I agree. | 13:05 |
| abalutoiu | sagar_nikam I already talked today with Graham about this | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam | abaluntoiu: thanks | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam | that should be fine | 13:05 |
| claudiub | so, until then, we should review the os-win patch. | 13:06 |
| claudiub | #action review the os-win dnsutils patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327846 | 13:06 |
| claudiub | #monasca status | 13:07 |
| claudiub | #topic monasca status | 13:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "monasca status (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:07 | |
| claudiub | soo, no news here, just replying to comments mostly. fixing merge conflicts and so on. | 13:07 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:07 |
| claudiub | #topic nova patches | 13:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nova patches (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:08 | |
| claudiub | it seems nothing really merged recently. :) | 13:08 |
| claudiub | apparently, it was a miracle so many patches merged a few weeks. ago. | 13:09 |
| claudiub | but as far as nova goes, I've been taking a look at the OVS Hyper-V vif plugin driver on nova. | 13:09 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: do we have a list of recently merged patches, we can check them | 13:09 |
| claudiub | The plan is to use os-vif to create the OVS ports, if necessary. | 13:10 |
| domi007 | hm, you are doing that to enable later security groups based on ovs flows? | 13:10 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: hm, not at the top of my head. I'll try to create one. | 13:10 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: thanks | 13:10 |
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| claudiub | domi007: the security groups is a neutron-ovs-agent specific job. the VIF Drivers should just create the OVS ports. | 13:11 |
| claudiub | basically. | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam | kvinod: have you seen claudiub | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam | patch ? | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam | on OVS vif plugin | 13:11 |
| domi007 | claudiub: I understand, but I'm not sure I understand why you are looking at this since creating OVS ports currently works fine :) sry | 13:11 |
| claudiub | #link Hyper-V OVS VIF driver: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140045/ | 13:12 |
| claudiub | ^ this is the patch. | 13:12 |
| kvinod | sagar_nikam: no | 13:12 |
| kvinod | will see it | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam | kvinod: can you check please | 13:12 |
| claudiub | still not fully functional. There are some linux specific issues in the current os-vif... I have to find a solution for them. | 13:13 |
| claudiub | solved a few, but not all of them. | 13:13 |
| domi007 | oh okay, I understand | 13:13 |
| claudiub | anyways. This VIF Driver was already merged in compute-hyperv since liberty | 13:13 |
| claudiub | or even Kilo, if I'm not mistaken. | 13:14 |
| claudiub | and that works well. | 13:14 |
| claudiub | but as far as nova goes, we have to use os-vif for this, that's how all the VIF drivers are going to be used in nova. | 13:14 |
| claudiub | domi007: to answer your question: at the moment, you cannot bind OVS ports on Hyper-V, unless you are using compute-hyperv. :) | 13:15 |
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| claudiub | moving on. | 13:16 |
| claudiub | #topic networking-hyperv status | 13:16 |
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| claudiub | so, first of all, I found a bug | 13:17 |
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| claudiub | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-hyperv/+bug/1592777 | 13:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1592777 in networking-hyperv "neutron-hyperv-agent shouldn't run if the OVS extension if active" [Medium,Confirmed] | 13:17 |
| claudiub | basically, you cannot run neutron-ovs-agent and neutron-hyperv-agent on the vSwitches. | 13:17 |
| claudiub | it's not imediately obvious, you just see failures and exception traces in the neutron-hyperv-agent.log file. | 13:18 |
| claudiub | so, this is also a warning, in case you've been using both. :) | 13:18 |
| kvinod | claudiub: you mean at a time it should be any one | 13:19 |
| claudiub | if you want to disable the OVS switch extension, run in powershell: Disable-VMSwitchExtension -VMSwitchName switch_name -Name "Open vSwitch Extension" | 13:19 |
| domi007 | claudiub: I'm sure that they need to run at the same time to have security groups working, atuvenie worked on this recently | 13:19 |
| claudiub | to enable: Enable-VMSwitchExtension -VMSwitchName switch_name -Name "Open vSwitch Extension" | 13:19 |
| claudiub | kvinod: hm, don't really know why you'd want to run both agents at the same time. But if you do, they shouldn't be configured to use the same switches. | 13:21 |
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| kvinod | claudiub: agreed | 13:21 |
| domi007 | I can confirm this bug btw as well if you run them simultenously, but it's no surprise | 13:21 |
| claudiub | domi007: for security groups, you only need the neutron.plugins.hyperv.agent.security_groups_driver.HyperVSecurityGroupsDriver | 13:21 |
| domi007 | claudiub: wait, so if I config this in neutron_ovs.conf it will work? | 13:22 |
| claudiub | domi007: you only need the security groups driver, not the whole agent, as far as I understood from atuvenie. | 13:22 |
| domi007 | in that case of course there is no need to run them together | 13:22 |
| domi007 | would make a lot of sense | 13:22 |
| claudiub | domi007: to my understanding, yes. | 13:22 |
| domi007 | of course in liberty it doesn't work yet, but atuvenie is working on backporting mitaka patches | 13:23 |
| domi007 | cool | 13:23 |
| claudiub | fair warning: HyperVSecurityGroupsDriver on liberty doesn't have the enhanced_rpc implemented, so it won't work. | 13:23 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: how will upgrade cases be handled ? if a customer has older version with neutron-hyperv-agent and wants to move to ovs | 13:23 |
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| claudiub | domi007: but you should be able to use the HyperVSecurityGroupsDriver on mitaka. | 13:23 |
| domi007 | so basically we can fully forget the neutron-hyperv-agent, all of its functionality can be done using ovs | 13:23 |
| domi007 | claudiub: that's why atuvenie is creating a new liberty installer with cherry-picked backported patches from mitaka to make it work if I'm correct | 13:24 |
| domi007 | I was about to apply the patches she sent me, but it seemed like a cumbersome job so I decided to wait for the installer | 13:25 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: I'm afraid that's a whole other story. it involves neutron network migrations. Basically, if you are using neutron-hyperv-agent, the neutron ports will be bound on the neutron-hyperv-agent, of course. | 13:25 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: so we cant support this kind of upgrades ? | 13:26 |
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| domi007 | sagar_nikam: we are planning to do this kind of upgrade, but we are using only VLAN-based networks, so they should be easily transformed into OVS networks/ports (hopefully)...although current live machines might need to be rebooted I'm not sure | 13:27 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: I wouldn't say it's imposible. From what I can think of, you just have to change the port's owner, or rebind the ports to the ovs-agent. | 13:28 |
| sagar_nikam | OK | 13:28 |
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| kvinod | claudiub: but that will have data part hit, i mean migration from hyperv to ovs | 13:28 |
| kvinod | sorry data path | 13:28 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: i think this support should be added in future | 13:28 |
| claudiub | domi007: I think it should work without rebooting them. | 13:29 |
| claudiub | domi007: But I do think that in order to work, you will have to disable the neutron ports first, migrate them, then enable them. | 13:29 |
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| claudiub | domi007: when you disable a neutron port, it will also be deleted from the agents. | 13:29 |
| domi007 | claudiub: that's what I thought, it's like removing and adding a port to a machine which if I'm right requires the machine to be turned off | 13:29 |
| sagar_nikam | lot of hyperv customers who are using hyper-agent would like to move to ovs ... and they will need this as a supported usecase | 13:29 |
| claudiub | domi007: anyways, let us know how it goes. :) | 13:29 |
| domi007 | sure thing :) | 13:30 |
| claudiub | domi007: ports, no. Only vNICs or other devices. | 13:30 |
| domi007 | oh cool, I learned something new today :) | 13:30 |
| claudiub | domi007: if you are using generation 2 VMs, you can even hot-plug vNICs and other devices. | 13:30 |
| claudiub | kvinod: I agree. there are some network downtimes on this. | 13:31 |
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| domi007 | gen2 is a whole different story, not really wishing to go down that road yet :) | 13:31 |
| claudiub | I wouldn't expect them to be long. | 13:31 |
| claudiub | domi007: what do you mean? :) | 13:31 |
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| claudiub | sagar_nikam: Indeed. It would be interesting to investigate what is the best way to migrate those ports from one agent to another. | 13:33 |
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| domi007 | claudiub: is gen2 code even ready and working in compute-hyperv? I just remember that for example UEFI makes them a lot harder to work with | 13:33 |
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| claudiub | gen2 support was added since Kilo. :) | 13:33 |
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| claudiub | domi007: hm, by default, uefi is disabled, unless you request it via image metadata property or flavor extra_spec. | 13:34 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: let us know how your investigation goes on it | 13:34 |
| claudiub | image property os_secure_boot=required or flavor extra_spec os:secure_boot=required | 13:35 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: sure. :) | 13:35 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: thanks | 13:35 |
| claudiub | domi007: we've disabled it by default because not all linux guests support uefi. | 13:35 |
| sagar_nikam | as usual, whenever you have working, we can pick up and verify | 13:35 |
| sagar_nikam | and let you know our results | 13:36 |
| domi007 | claudiub: I thought all gen2 machines need to be UEFI, but you can turn off signature verification...but it's prossible that I'm wrong :) | 13:36 |
| domi007 | but I'll dig into that then | 13:36 |
| claudiub | so, gen2 VMs rely on EFI boot, instead of a generic BIOS. | 13:36 |
| domi007 | indeed, that's what I'm saying. So you can disable signature verification = secure boot, but still will be using EFI...and I'm not sure how well that plays with guests | 13:37 |
| claudiub | having UEFI turned on, basically assures that the EFI boot section has not been altered. | 13:37 |
| domi007 | ok, I think we are on the same page with this :) | 13:38 |
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| claudiub | domi007: :) | 13:39 |
| claudiub | anyways. moving on. | 13:39 |
| claudiub | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-hyperv/+bug/1586354 | 13:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586354 in networking-hyperv "Intermittent Issue seen --Associating a vm from one security group (having tcp rule) to another security group(not having tcp rule) does not stop ssh from happening" [Medium,Confirmed] | 13:39 |
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| claudiub | I've confirmed this bug. it should be a big commit for this. | 13:40 |
| kvinod | i see its confirmed | 13:40 |
| kvinod | ok | 13:40 |
| domi007 | so it wasn't about windows firewall not being on by default | 13:40 |
| kvinod | so do we know what is causing the issue | 13:41 |
| claudiub | basically, when the port's security group changes, the security groups driver's update_port_filter method is not called. prepare_port_filter is called instead, which just adds new rules. | 13:41 |
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| claudiub | update_port_filter actually checks what rules are to be added, what rules are to be deleted. | 13:41 |
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| kvinod | ok | 13:42 |
| kvinod | so fix implementation started? | 13:42 |
| domi007 | I think this issue surfaced in our deployment as well, the symptoms are really similar | 13:42 |
| claudiub | anyways. I am currently working on it. Now the rules are deleted / added properly. Will send it up for review when it's ready and also wrote some unit tests. | 13:42 |
| domi007 | great! | 13:43 |
| kvinod | when is the fix expected | 13:43 |
| kvinod | ok | 13:43 |
| kvinod | great, thanks | 13:43 |
| claudiub | ETA: 1-2 days. | 13:44 |
| domi007 | claudiub: is this networking-hyperv code or inside the FW driver? | 13:44 |
| kvinod | any idea by when review will be posted | 13:44 |
| kvinod | ok | 13:44 |
| claudiub | but it depends if there are any other urgent matters appearing | 13:44 |
| claudiub | domi007: networking-hyperv code | 13:44 |
| claudiub | anyways. moving on. | 13:44 |
| domi007 | thanks | 13:44 |
| claudiub | #topic os-brick status | 13:45 |
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| kvinod | one more bug is there | 13:45 |
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| claudiub | well, we've mostly been asked for CI results. They've been posted for each connector: iSCSI, Fibre Channel, SMB. | 13:45 |
| claudiub | waiting reviews. | 13:45 |
| kvinod | link# https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-hyperv/+bug/1591114 | 13:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1591114 in networking-hyperv "Few Vm's not getting IP due to missing security group rules in scale scenarios" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Krishna Kanth (krishna-kanth-mallela) | 13:45 |
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| kvinod | i donot see its confirmed | 13:46 |
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| sagar_nikam | claudiub: nice, so hopefully we will have os-brick patches merged soon ? | 13:46 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: nice, so hopefully we will have os-brick patches merged soon ? | 13:46 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: I really do hope so. | 13:47 |
| domi007 | kvinod: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328218/ | 13:47 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: lpetrut: once we have os-brick, can we push for nova patches merged as well | 13:47 |
| claudiub | but getting the reviews, that's the hard part, IMO. :) | 13:48 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: ofc. | 13:48 |
| sagar_nikam | FC support for hyperv is something we have been trying for sometime now | 13:48 |
| claudiub | kvinod: will discuss it at the next topic. | 13:48 |
| kvinod | k | 13:48 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: well, until then, there's compute-hyperv. :) | 13:48 |
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| domi007 | claudiub: which we all love :) | 13:49 |
| claudiub | <3 | 13:49 |
| claudiub | #topic open discussion | 13:49 |
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| sagar_nikam | claudiub: is it easy to port this to mitaka ? we are on mitaka now, we can try backporting if it is feasible ? | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: one topic from me, could you check the BP of my team mate Paul Murray, does it have any impact on FreeRDP ? | 13:50 |
| claudiub | kvinod: sorry for missing that. So, for that, it's harder to confirm / replicate. Which is why I haven't done it yet. I see you've sent some patches up. Will take a look. | 13:51 |
| domi007 | sagar_nikam: good thing you raised FreeRDP, we have been testing the new beta from c64cosmin and it works so far fine | 13:51 |
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| domi007 | I just finished haproxy config as well | 13:51 |
| kvinod | k | 13:51 |
| claudiub | kvinod: but for this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328218/ I don't really see how it solves the issue, as it only removes the sleep. | 13:51 |
| domi007 | and it looks stable so far | 13:51 |
| c64cosmin | Sagar_nikam: you mean the one with console objects? | 13:51 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: sorry, I didn't understand, port what exactly? | 13:52 |
| kvinod | I will talk to krishna the committer and update the bug | 13:52 |
| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: yes, last time i gave the BP link | 13:52 |
| c64cosmin | I've read the bp shouldn't be a problem | 13:52 |
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| c64cosmin | Domi007: thanks for the info | 13:53 |
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| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: claudiub: this is the BP http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/newton/approved/convert-consoles-to-objects.html | 13:53 |
| sagar_nikam | does it have any impact on freerdp | 13:53 |
| sagar_nikam | domi007: nice to hear that the new FreeRDP works for you. Does keystrokes work ? | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | domi007: we are yet to pick up the new MSI, Our QA is planning to test it soon | 13:54 |
| claudiub | kvinod: thanks. :) Also, I do remember that that code in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328218/ was added in order to yield to other threads before adding the rules. This way the neutron-hyperv-agent didn't miss reporting its alive state. | 13:54 |
| c64cosmin | Domi, sagar : I have a pull on waiting, this will introduce a plugin system that will allow to change the query parameters | 13:54 |
| sagar_nikam | domi007: c64cosmin: i will be very keen to see how keystrokes work with this new MSI | 13:55 |
| domi007 | sagar_nikam: we never had the keystroke issue, so can't really report on it | 13:55 |
| domi007 | but we'll keep at it | 13:55 |
| domi007 | and see how it performs | 13:55 |
| c64cosmin | Also will reduce the CPU consumption | 13:55 |
| c64cosmin | , drastically | 13:55 |
| claudiub | kvinod: anyways. I don't sleeping is necessary anymore, since we have native threads, which run independently from the main thread. | 13:55 |
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| claudiub | kvinod: so, we can go forward with that patch. | 13:56 |
| c64cosmin | Sagar_nikam: please keep me posted on that | 13:56 |
| domi007 | c64cosmin: indeed I was able to see that as well, although it never was eating too much CPU, but it improved indeed | 13:56 |
| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: sure, will let you know how it works | 13:56 |
| kvinod | Its not possible to type all context behind the fix, probably I will update the bug report with the details. | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam | domi007: for me the keystroke was a big issue, let me check with new MSI | 13:57 |
| c64cosmin | Sagar_nikam: thanks :) | 13:57 |
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| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: another usal question.... what about debian ? | 13:57 |
| sagar_nikam | *usual | 13:57 |
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| c64cosmin | On it's way | 13:58 |
| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: thanks | 13:58 |
| c64cosmin | Almost forgot, I will also implement v3 for keystone api | 13:58 |
| domi007 | great! good meeting today guys, thanks! | 13:58 |
| c64cosmin | I need a merge first | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam | c64cosmin: that would be very nice, keystone v3 | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam | is it planned soon ? | 13:59 |
| sagar_nikam | or will it take some time | 13:59 |
| c64cosmin | It's the next step to take | 14:00 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 14:00 |
| kvinod | thanks, today it was actually good meeting from neutron front also | 14:00 |
| kvinod | thanks all | 14:00 |
| c64cosmin | Good day all | 14:00 |
| claudiub | well, time's up. :) | 14:00 |
| sagar_nikam | i would prefer debian rather than v3, that would be my personal priority... how ever i am fine with the order in which you work | 14:00 |
| claudiub | thanks all for joining. :) | 14:00 |
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| claudiub | see you next week! | 14:00 |
| sagar_nikam | for these features | 14:00 |
| claudiub | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| sagar_nikam | thanks | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 15 14:00:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| kvinod | bye | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-06-15-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-06-15-13.00.txt | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-06-15-13.00.log.html | 14:01 |
| njohnston | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 15 14:01:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is njohnston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:01 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 14:01 |
| njohnston | #chair ajo | 14:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ajo njohnston | 14:01 |
| ajo | hello o/ | 14:01 |
| ralonsoh | hi | 14:01 |
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| ajo | hi ralonsoh , mr. njohnston | 14:01 |
| njohnston | Good day all! | 14:01 |
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| njohnston | Let's dive in. | 14:01 |
| njohnston | #topic announcements | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:01 | |
| njohnston | Less than a month to N-2! http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 14:01 |
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| njohnston | Also, as a general note, we should keep an eye on QoS commands for the OSC transition: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-neutron-support | 14:02 |
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| njohnston | #topic Merged changes | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Merged changes (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:03 | |
| njohnston | There have been some things that came up since the last meeting. I just wanted to note them to celebrate the great progress being made, and to keep everyone in the loop. | 14:03 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326282/ | 14:03 |
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| ajo | wow, nice njohnston thanks for putting that together | 14:04 |
| njohnston | that is to add an API test for shared policy, Iztik knocked that one out | 14:04 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327935/ | 14:04 |
| ajo | I mean https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-neutron-support :) | 14:04 |
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| njohnston | ajo: Oh, I can't claim that, I just made sure the QoS commands were listed :-=) | 14:04 |
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| njohnston | We also closed a couple of bugs, the "VersionsCallbackNotFound exception when using QoS" was fixed by ajo and "qos-policy update without specify --shared causing it change to default False" was fixed by slaweq | 14:06 |
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| ajo | slawek++ :) | 14:06 |
| njohnston | good job all! | 14:06 |
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| njohnston | #topic Approved RFEs | 14:07 |
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| njohnston | #link http://tinyurl.com/qos-rfe-approved | 14:07 |
| njohnston | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1468353 | 14:07 |
| njohnston | DSCP fullstack: I think this is good now, it just needs an additional +2. | 14:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468353 in neutron "[RFE] QoS DSCP marking rule support" [Wishlist,Fix committed] - Assigned to David Shaughnessy (david-shaughnessy) | 14:07 |
| njohnston | Change is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288392 | 14:07 |
| njohnston | that's the last of DSCP | 14:07 |
| njohnston | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1560961 | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1560961 in neutron "[RFE] Allow instance-ingress bandwidth limiting" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:08 |
| njohnston | last I heard, slaweq has stopped working on this pending https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1586056 (extended validation) | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586056 in neutron "[RFE] Improved validation mechanism for QoS rules with port types" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:08 |
| ajo | yes, we need to bring attention to the DSCP fullstack one | 14:08 |
| njohnston | I was hoping to catch jschwartz for the dscp fullstack one | 14:08 |
| ajo | yes, improved validation blocks a bit our ability to finish the other ones, | 14:08 |
| njohnston | but I think I missed him | 14:08 |
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| ajo | njohnston, we need another +2, | 14:09 |
| ajo | may be garyk, let me ping him | 14:09 |
| njohnston | ok great | 14:09 |
| njohnston | thanks | 14:09 |
| njohnston | # https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1560963 | 14:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1560963 in neutron "[RFE] Minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez) | 14:10 |
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| ajo | same about rule validation | 14:10 |
| ajo | I need to probably raise that topic on the ML | 14:10 |
| ralonsoh | Not working very well | 14:10 |
| ajo | with the RFE | 14:10 |
| ralonsoh | I sent a mail this morning | 14:10 |
| ajo | ralonsoh, go ahead, tell us, | 14:10 |
| ajo | hmm | 14:10 |
| ajo | what's the topic, I missed it | 14:10 |
| ralonsoh | No problem, maybe it's better by mail | 14:11 |
| ralonsoh | Too long | 14:11 |
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| ajo | ralonsoh, what's the topic of the email you sent ? | 14:11 |
| ajo | just to link it here | 14:11 |
| davidsha | http://markmail.org/message/tdcz32cm5qtllm2d | 14:11 |
| ajo | thanks :) | 14:11 |
| davidsha | no prob :) | 14:11 |
| ralonsoh | Egress qos in ovs is not working | 14:11 |
| ajo | #link http://markmail.org/message/tdcz32cm5qtllm2d | 14:11 |
| ralonsoh | for min bw | 14:11 |
| ajo | ralonsoh, I will check, bit it's working for me | 14:12 |
| ajo | I tested it, may be theres some detail that needs polishing on your implementation, | 14:12 |
| njohnston | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097426.html | 14:12 |
| njohnston | oh sorry yopu already got the link ajo | 14:12 |
| davidsha | njohnston: that one looks nicer :P | 14:12 |
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| ajo | ralonsoh, how did you arrange the queues/etc ? | 14:13 |
| ralonsoh | Yes, qos and queues | 14:13 |
| ralonsoh | and ovs flows | 14:13 |
| ajo | ralonsoh, I mean, how did you arrange them | 14:13 |
| ajo | I'll probably better look at your patch | 14:13 |
| ajo | and review it :) | 14:13 |
| ralonsoh | ok | 14:13 |
| ralonsoh | i need to upload it | 14:13 |
| ajo | please upload it as soon as you could, and ping me (IRC / email) | 14:14 |
| ralonsoh | ajo: ok | 14:14 |
| ajo | ovs / kernel is very nitpickg about how it works | 14:14 |
| ajo | it has to be hierarchical | 14:14 |
| ajo | and all queues on the outgoing interface | 14:14 |
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| ajo | or , in a veth from br-int to br-XXXX | 14:14 |
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| ajo | top queue has the "max" set to the link speed we know about | 14:14 |
| ajo | and the queues under it, have min: set as per flow | 14:15 |
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| ralonsoh | ajo: I know | 14:15 |
| ajo | aha | 14:15 |
| ajo | ralonsoh, so did you set them on a veth? or the external interface? | 14:15 |
| ajo | ok... | 14:15 |
| ralonsoh | ajo: on the external interface | 14:15 |
| ajo | may be it's just better to try your code locally and see what's wrong | 14:15 |
| ralonsoh | but in the ovs port | 14:15 |
| ajo | ralonsoh, in the ovs port? | 14:16 |
| ralonsoh | ajo: yes | 14:16 |
| ajo | what do you mean by the ovs port? | 14:16 |
| ralonsoh | in the port connected to the external interface | 14:17 |
| ralonsoh | to shape egress traffic | 14:17 |
| ajo | hmm | 14:17 |
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| ajo | do you mean | 14:17 |
| ajo | eth0<--->br-ex1 ? | 14:17 |
| ajo | eth0 for example ? | 14:17 |
| ralonsoh | yes | 14:17 |
| ajo | aha | 14:17 |
| ajo | ok, yes, that was the suggested approach from ovn | 14:17 |
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| ajo | but I didn't understand how to match the queue ID at the ovs side to the queue at that interface | 14:18 |
| ajo | anyway | 14:18 |
| ajo | to do that, I believe you have to set the set_queue flow in the br-ex1 | 14:18 |
| ajo | not br-int | 14:18 |
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| ralonsoh | ajo: ok | 14:18 |
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| njohnston | anything else before we move on? | 14:19 |
| ralonsoh | no, thanks | 14:19 |
| ajo | ralonsoh, ping me when your code is around, I'll try to test it and help, and thanks a lot for tackling this hard stone :D | 14:19 |
| ajo | njohnston, no, thanks :) | 14:19 |
| ralonsoh | ajo: ok | 14:19 |
| njohnston | #topic Not Yet Approved RFEs | 14:19 |
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| njohnston | #link http://tinyurl.com/qos-rfe-unapproved | 14:20 |
| njohnston | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1586056 | 14:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586056 in neutron "[RFE] Improved validation mechanism for QoS rules with port types" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:20 |
| njohnston | Neutron Drivers did not get to it last time | 14:20 |
| njohnston | Slaweq has a change up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328655/ | 14:20 |
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| ajo | #action ajo publish ML thread about https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1586056 "[RFE] Improved validation mechanism for QoS rules with port types" | 14:20 |
| ajo | we need to bring attention to that one | 14:21 |
| njohnston | it will be an interesting discussion | 14:21 |
| ajo | it will ':) | 14:21 |
| njohnston | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1580149 | 14:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580149 in neutron "[RFE] Rename API options related to QoS bandwidth limit rule" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:21 |
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| njohnston | The way I read the last comment on this, Slaweq thinks this might not be necessary? | 14:21 |
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| ajo | njohnston, correct, with improved validation, we can forget that one | 14:22 |
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| njohnston | should it have a status change to reflect that? | 14:22 |
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| njohnston | or wait until validation susses out a bit? | 14:22 |
| ajo | njohnston, I guess wait for validation, I don't know :) | 14:23 |
| njohnston | ok | 14:23 |
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| njohnston | and lastly | 14:23 |
| njohnston | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505631 | 14:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505631 in neutron "[RFE] QoS VLAN 802.1p Support" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 14:23 |
| njohnston | no activity on that one | 14:23 |
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| ajo | about DSCP fullstack: "<garyk> ajo: done" | 14:23 |
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| ajo | :-) | 14:23 |
| njohnston | Yep, it's in gate now :-) | 14:23 |
| njohnston | #topic Bugs | 14:23 |
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| ajo | njohnston, yes, I guess QoS VLAN seems low prio RFE unless we have more interest or push | 14:24 |
| njohnston | yep | 14:24 |
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| njohnston | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1587291 | 14:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1587291 in neutron "Specifying '-F' or '--filed' parameter in the qos related commands, returns abnormal result" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to dongwenshuai (dong-wenshuai) | 14:24 |
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| njohnston | this is a newish one, filed end of May | 14:24 |
| njohnston | There are three changes to fix this: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1587291 | 14:24 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/329852 | 14:25 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/326902 | 14:25 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/324545 | 14:25 |
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| njohnston | I wanted to mention them here so folks could go take a look | 14:25 |
| ajo | oh nice | 14:25 |
| ajo | I wasn't aware of it | 14:25 |
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| njohnston | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1566514 | 14:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566514 in neutron "Enable sorting and pagination by default" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 14:26 |
| njohnston | This has 9 changes, 2 of which are QoS related: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1566514 | 14:26 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/328259 | 14:26 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/328273 | 14:26 |
| njohnston | ihrachys is working on these | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | reviews welcome | 14:26 |
| njohnston | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1515564 | 14:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1515564 in neutron "Internal server error when running qos-bandwidth-limit-rule-update as a tenant" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Liyingjun (liyingjun) | 14:27 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244680/ | 14:27 |
| njohnston | looks like that needs reviews | 14:27 |
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| njohnston | we also have one new change that does not have a corresponding bug | 14:28 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/325889 | 14:28 |
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| ajo | Hmm, I thought I had reviewed this today, I'll do | 14:29 |
| ajo | ah, no I started, but I didn't submit :) | 14:29 |
| njohnston | that is for adding a tempest scenario test for QoS; iztik is working on it. | 14:29 |
| njohnston | ajo: excellent | 14:29 |
| njohnston | #topic Open Discussion | 14:31 |
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| njohnston | overall there was a lot of great work done the last 2 weeks | 14:31 |
| njohnston | so kudos to the team | 14:31 |
| davidsha | +1 | 14:31 |
| ajo | yes, awesome folks | 14:31 |
| davidsha | quick open, who is going to the mid cycle? | 14:31 |
| ralonsoh | yes, good question | 14:32 |
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| ajo | if you have time, also review: https://review.openstack.org/323474 & https://review.openstack.org/320439 specs (I had already some help there, thanks davidsha & slawek) | 14:32 |
| njohnston | my request for travel was declined | 14:32 |
| ajo | I think ihrachys requested | 14:32 |
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| ajo | and I can't (too much pressure on family) | 14:32 |
| ihrachys | ajo: there is no approval yet, we are waiting | 14:33 |
| ajo | Just as a note, also | 14:34 |
| ajo | I will probably be on PTO from Aug 19th to +2 weeks, awful time in terms of feature freeze / RC, | 14:34 |
| ajo | I will be reviewing nightly, | 14:34 |
| ajo | but I want to sort out things as soon as possible (before) so I don't block or put any extra stress on anybody | 14:35 |
| ajo | as it happened previous year (sorry ihrachys & jlibosva) | 14:35 |
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| njohnston | thanks ajo | 14:35 |
| ajo | I tried to arrange different dates but it's the only time that works with my wife's job :/ | 14:36 |
| njohnston | So from a high level it looks like the highest priority work in QoS land is the validation patch, yes? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328655/ | 14:36 |
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| njohnston | So if folks could give particular attention to reviews on that, there are a number of things that getting it done will unblock. | 14:37 |
| ajo | njohnston, first, agreement on that such way is desired and reasonable from the neutron API point of view | 14:37 |
| ajo | then the patch could be finally polished and merged | 14:37 |
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| ajo | if that doesn't work, option B is separate rules per direction (egress/ingress), but ... again we will have the same problem the day we want to add classifier field to the rules | 14:38 |
| njohnston | OK, so perhaps we can have that discussion in the drivers meeting. ajo will you be able to make the next drivers meeting? | 14:38 |
| ajo | njohnston, I can try it, but it's 12am/1am here if I don't remember wrong, let me check | 14:38 |
| njohnston | I know you had mentioned an ML thread as well, I just don't want it to drag on too long | 14:39 |
| ajo | njohnston, agreed | 14:39 |
| ajo | no, I have to mention it on ML | 14:39 |
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| njohnston | ok, I will try to represent if it comes up in drivers | 14:39 |
| ajo | yes Thu 00:00 am to 1am | 14:40 |
| ajo | I will try to be present as much as I can | 14:40 |
| njohnston | ok, anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 14:40 |
| njohnston | Hearing nothing, I'll give 18 minuted back. Good day all! | 14:42 |
| njohnston | #endmeeting | 14:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 15 14:42:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-06-15-14.01.html | 14:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-06-15-14.01.txt | 14:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-06-15-14.01.log.html | 14:42 |
| davidsha | thanks, cya | 14:42 |
| ajo | Thank you njohnston !!! | 14:42 |
| ajo | o/ | 14:43 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 15 15:00:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| ericksonsantos | o/ | 15:00 |
| koji | o/ | 15:00 |
| jayahn | o/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | agenda is at, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:00 |
| hosanai | o/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday June 15, 2016 (15:00 UTC) | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 1.Mid-cycle plan | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 2.Summit plans | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 3.Reviews | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 1.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304812/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 2.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329866/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 3.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326639/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 4.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327339 | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | 4.Any plans/updates on dimensions resource? | 15:00 |
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| Kamil_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| iurygregory | o/ | 15:00 |
| silvamatteus | o/ | 15:00 |
| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | hi everyone | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | looks like a light agenda for today | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | so, that will leave time for misc discussions/topics | 15:01 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | First up, is the mid-cycle | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic mid-cycle | 15:01 |
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| bklei | o/ | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | We are on for July 19th and 20th, 8:00 AM MST to 1:00 PM MST | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | Via a remote webex session | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | fabiog: has the webex in | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | i'll start putting together an evernote this coming week where we can start to track agenda, and other logistics | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | does that sound good for everyone? | 15:03 |
| bklei | works for me | 15:03 |
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| slogan | sounds good | 15:04 |
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| jayahn | yeap | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | so moving on | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | #topic summit | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:04 | |
| rhochmuth | just a reminder that CFP is open | 15:04 |
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| rhochmuth | deadline is July 13th | 15:04 |
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| rhochmuth | it is earlier this time around I believe | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | at least it feels that way | 15:05 |
| witek | :) | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | a couple of sessions that i think makes sense for monasca at a more global level | 15:05 |
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| rhochmuth | 1. Update on Monasca | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | 2. Tutorials/bootcamps | 15:05 |
| slogan | I got the impression that 2. was needed in Austin | 15:06 |
| slogan | so good :-) | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | I think a presentation supplying an update on the overall Monasca project woudl be good | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | all the features, deploys, connections to other projects, …, might be good to review | 15:06 |
| witek | i agree | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | so, i think getting some authors on that would be good | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | i'm assuming you are interested witek | 15:08 |
| witek | i won't say no ;) | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | i don't know if there is a limit on authors, but would like to cover a potpourri of all the stuff that is going on | 15:08 |
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| rhochmuth | i hope i used that word potpourri correctly | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | mayeb smorgasboard is better | 15:09 |
| jayahn | usually, program committee does not like more than three authors per presentation. | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | anyway something along those lines | 15:09 |
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| slogan | unless it is sold as a panel discussion | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | hmmm, i haven't heard that before | 15:10 |
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| rhochmuth | i don't think a panel session makes sense | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | the other idea is more bootcamps/tutorials | 15:10 |
| jayahn | they think a presentation with many authors are "free riders" for summit pass. | 15:10 |
| slogan | unless it were people talking about their experiences and where they see it going | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | i think another session like we did in austin would be good | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | but, i'm wondering if a session on deploying monasca makes sense too | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | jayahn: yeah, i can see that | 15:11 |
| slogan | aka twc? | 15:11 |
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| slogan | they have an interesting enough use case | 15:11 |
| witek | the interest for the bootcamp in austin was big | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | yeah, that room had several hundred attendees | 15:12 |
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| rhochmuth | so, that makes be think that a session or two in barcelona would be good | 15:12 |
| slogan | problem was I think people were looking for something more intimate and hands on | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | anyway, please let me know if you are interested | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | i dont' want to monopolize all this | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | slogan: i agree | 15:13 |
| bklei | slogan, so soft music and mood lighting? | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | although, i don't think anyone wants to get intimate with me | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | oops | 15:13 |
| bklei | +1 | 15:13 |
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| rhochmuth | accepts for u bklei | 15:14 |
| bklei | roger that | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | is anyone interested in submitting a tutorial/bootcamp? | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | i think we could do two submissions this time | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | building on austin | 15:15 |
| jayahn | probably not as a bootcamp, but we are willing to provide "real use case" stroy if it is valuable | 15:15 |
| witek | i think we could join it | 15:15 |
| jayahn | as a part of any presentation if it helps | 15:16 |
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| rhochmuth | jayahn: that might make more sense for a general monasca session | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | ok, so i just wanted to get the ideas flowing, and gauge interest | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | let's close on this for now, and sync up next week again | 15:17 |
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| rhochmuth | we still have 4 weeks for submissions | 15:17 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic reviews | 15:18 |
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| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304812/ | 15:18 |
| slogan | I somewhat interested in some kind of "up and running in 5 minutes" sort of thing, showing how my 10 mines of python write switch data to Monasca, and how it can be visualized in grafana, but not sure I could talk in much detail about monasca itself the way others can | 15:18 |
| slogan | s/mines/lines/ | 15:19 |
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| rhochmuth | slogan: sounds like a good talk name: "Monasca: Up and running in 5 minutes" | 15:19 |
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| ericksonsantos | slogan, +1 | 15:19 |
| slogan | then later in the week there is a deeper dive | 15:20 |
| slogan | can we get 3 others to talk about their depolys? | 15:20 |
| slogan | er, derploys | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | So, we've got this review for adding support for sessions in the Python Keystone client | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | sorry, handling 2 discussion at once, | 15:21 |
| slogan | my bad | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | np | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | it is ok with me | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | I'm just wondering if we can get some more reviews on, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304812/ | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | I've reviewed, abd looks good to me | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | There are a lot of +1's, but most of them are all buddies, so i don't trust them | 15:22 |
| witek | I'll take a look | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | actually, i do trust them, but looking for some reviews outside of that group | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | thanks witek | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | if you +1, i'll merge | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | or please feel free to merge too | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | you have +2 prics | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | privs | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | I just want to point out this review, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329866/ | 15:24 |
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| rhochmuth | There have been a lot of new metrics added recently | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | this review allows you to disable them | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | or enable them | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | whichever way | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | i just think everyone needs to understand that all these new metrics that are being introduced put a lot of load on Monasca | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | We'll be doing a lot more scale testing over the next couple of months | 15:25 |
| jayahn | we needed that disabling feature. :) great to see this. | 15:26 |
| bklei | i love the ability to turn them off via config -- that's great | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | but this review is for disabling/enabling them if you don't need them and don't like the load being added | 15:26 |
| bklei | +1 jayahn | 15:26 |
| slogan | that was an easy one to review :-) | 15:26 |
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| rhochmuth | we briefly discussed making a general solution for enabling/disbling things rather than approaching this piece meal | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | but we're not doing that right now | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | so, sometime in the future maybe we'll get back to addressing this in a more general and architected/designed way | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | for now, this is the best we can do | 15:27 |
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| rhochmuth | also, there is a reivew for controlling the rate at which disk metrics are collected | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326639/ | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | It is a similar theme | 15:28 |
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| rhochmuth | This review allows you to collect the disk metrics, but at a slower rate | 15:28 |
| bklei | nice | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | jayahn and bklei, thanks | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | so, anyway i think folks should keep an eye on the agent | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | most of it should be ok, but there have been quite a few added metrics and changes | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | so, just good to watch, and hopefully we have enough controls in-place that we dont' add a huge amount of metrics if not required | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327339 | 15:30 |
| bklei | that's me -- not a big change | 15:31 |
| bklei | just an optimization | 15:31 |
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| rhochmuth | so, what does it do | 15:31 |
| bklei | prevents hammering nova if we have more than one 'ghost' vm | 15:31 |
| bklei | a vm known to virsh/libvirt but not nova | 15:31 |
| bklei | in our lab env, we have up to 10 per compute node, and poor nova gets hammered each time the agent wakes up | 15:32 |
| bklei | refreshing the cache multiple times doesn't help | 15:32 |
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| bklei | (the real problem is the ghost vms -- and we're addressing this -- but the plugin could be smarter) | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | ok, sounds good, i'll review and merge | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | after a few more +1's | 15:33 |
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| bklei | gracias -- it's the same change we added to the ovs plugin that's merged, it's what made me think to do it in libvirt | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | ok, sounds good | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | #topic dimensions resource | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | Any plans/updates on dimensions resource? | 15:34 |
| jayahn | i do have a quick question on monasca-agent plugins. if it is okay | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | sure jayahn | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | didn't mean to rush through | 15:34 |
| jayahn | we would like to add capability to check ping rsp time & success rate. I was thinking to add these to existing "host alive" checks. but, then think it is not about checking if host is alive. in that sense, might be better to have separate ping plugin. | 15:34 |
| jayahn | i need your advise. :) | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | i think it is a great idea | 15:35 |
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| rhochmuth | not sure if host alive makes sense or not | 15:35 |
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| rhochmuth | i think for the http status check we report both up/down and latency | 15:36 |
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| rhochmuth | however, pinging the systems multiple times, once for aliveness and once for latency sounds inneficient | 15:36 |
| bklei | 'ping' gets more complicated -- to be done right you really also have to look at security groups -- is ping allowed, etc | 15:36 |
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| jayahn | bklei that is true. | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | we have ping for VMs and ping for infrastructure | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | There is this for physical hosts, https://github.com/openstack/monasca-agent/blob/master/monasca_agent/collector/checks_d/host_alive.py | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | and this for libvirt VMs at, https://github.com/openstack/monasca-agent/blob/master/monasca_agent/collector/checks_d/libvirt.py#L632 | 15:39 |
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| rhochmuth | jayahn: are you referring to the host_alive check? | 15:39 |
| jayahn | i was looking into ping for infrastructure. | 15:40 |
| jayahn | but, host_alive | 15:40 |
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| jayahn | yeap. host_alive | 15:40 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm regretting calling that plugin host_alive | 15:41 |
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| rhochmuth | maybe, host_status would have been better | 15:41 |
| jayahn | yeap. a word "host_alive" has very specific and narrow meaning. | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | i think it would be preferable to have a single plugin do both simultaneousely | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | that check is one of the harder checks we do | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | it has to be multi-threaded to complete in a reasonable amount of time | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | i hate to have to basically run the same pings to then get latency | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | too | 15:43 |
| jayahn | agreed. | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | so, i think should add the latency to host_alive | 15:44 |
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| rhochmuth | but I'm not sure about renaming | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | anyway, that is idea number 1 | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | maybe it is a bad one | 15:45 |
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| jayahn | host_status would be more suitable name, as you said. but, i will go ahead to write blueprint to add the latency to host_alive check for now. | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | thanks jayahn | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | #topic dimensions resource | 15:47 |
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| rhochmuth | Any plans/updates on dimensions resource? | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | I don't have any immediate plans | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | not sure who asked that question | 15:48 |
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| rbak | I'm pretty sure bklei added it. | 15:48 |
| bklei | that's me | 15:48 |
| bklei | at the summit you mentioned HPE was working it -- true? | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | we were planning on it, but it didn't materialize | 15:49 |
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| bklei | so no plans to pick it up? we may if that's the case | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | are you seeing where this is going to be real helpful | 15:49 |
| bklei | rbak would really like it to make grafana templating more effecient | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | ahhh, yeah, it makes complete sense | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | if you want to pick it up that would be great | 15:50 |
| witek | so it would be listing all dimensions stored in influx/vertica? | 15:50 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm guessing we won't get to it over the next month or two or three | 15:50 |
| bklei | ok -- i probably will, will confirm with resource allocaters | 15:50 |
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| rhochmuth | witek: the idea is that once you know a metric name, that you want to then list the dimensions for that name | 15:51 |
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| rbak | Actually that's not quite right | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | sonce you select a dimenion name, you then want to know all the valaues for that dimension name | 15:51 |
| rbak | What we need is given a specific dimension key, list all dimension values. | 15:51 |
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| bklei | like 'hostname' | 15:52 |
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| rbak | Tempting isn't tied to a specific metric unfortunately. | 15:52 |
| rbak | s/tempting/templating | 15:52 |
| rbak | If you want to get the dimensions for a specific metric at the moment you can do a metric-list with --name, so that's mostly covered already. | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | so, can we review next week? | 15:53 |
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| bklei | :) i'll start soon | 15:53 |
| witek | :) | 15:53 |
| bklei | hopefully | 15:53 |
| bklei | a bit of a rats-nest -- java/python/vertica/influxdb | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | aha | 15:54 |
| bklei | that's why i wanted u to do it :) | 15:54 |
| rhochmuth | well, i personally fell like this is a job for rbrandt | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | he's been in that code the most | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | just not sure i can get him | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | i'll check | 15:55 |
| bklei | k -- i'll include him in the reviews if i start it -- but will wait to hear from you/him | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | it is hard diving into that code just adding a new feature | 15:56 |
| bklei | he's alot smarter than me anyway | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | but you are better looking | 15:56 |
| bklei | says u | 15:56 |
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| rhochmuth | we've got 3 minutes | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | anyone have anythign in closing | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | shoudl we tee upo something for next week? | 15:57 |
| rhochmuth | anything urgent? | 15:57 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, i guess that is it | 15:58 |
| rhochmuth | ended early for once | 15:59 |
| rhochmuth | bye everyone | 15:59 |
| bklei | thx roland | 15:59 |
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| witek | bye | 15:59 |
| koji | bye | 15:59 |
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| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 15 15:59:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-06-15-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-06-15-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-06-15-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| markvoelker | #startmeeting defcore | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 15 16:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markvoelker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:00 |
| markvoelker | #chair hogepodge | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hogepodge markvoelker | 16:00 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 16:00 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 16:00 |
| dwalleck | o/ | 16:00 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 16:00 |
| aimeeu | 0/ | 16:00 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreLunar.7 today's agenda | 16:00 |
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| markvoelker | So, lots to talk about today I think folks. I want to make sure we get through at least the first three items on the agenda as they're a bit time-sensitive. | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | Let's dive right in. | 16:02 |
| gema | o/ | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | #topic Additional properties on API responses | 16:02 |
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| markvoelker | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097349.html Thread on the -dev ML | 16:02 |
| hogepodge | Has everyone had a chance to read that thread? | 16:02 |
| catherineD | o/ | 16:02 |
| gema | diagonally | 16:03 |
| dwalleck | I read through early yesterday evening. Seems to be a hot topic | 16:03 |
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| * markvoelker has, and has replied to it a few times | 16:03 | |
| hogepodge | Some vendors have been caught with putting additional properties into Nova API responses. | 16:03 |
| Rockyg | Just wanted to say that if you read through the comments on the review that turned off the ability, there was concern then of an incompatible change that was ignored | 16:03 |
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| Rockyg | I will be replying later today. | 16:03 |
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| hogepodge | I'd like to give them more time to either a) remove the extra properties or b) work with upstream to get those properties (or something like it) microversioned | 16:03 |
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| Rockyg | Also, some additiional properties were grandfathered in, but unless you put in a ptch for yours, they weren't considered | 16:04 |
| catherineD | IMO, the tests serves the purpose of bring out interops issues. We should not change the test. From Powered Logo point of view, I think we should flag the tests until 2017.01 | 16:04 |
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| brunssen | o/ | 16:04 |
| hogepodge | Ideally, this would be accepted by upstream qa as a temporary feature to tempest, and by this working group as an acceptable practice. | 16:04 |
| VanL | I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding at play in that thread: None of what Tempest does, or what Nova does, or what the TC does, defines what defcore is. The specific implementation may involve a change to tempest, but tempest devs *do not* get a veto (or fiat) on how defcore-required tests evolve. | 16:04 |
| catherineD | that is the purpose of RefStack that we want to collect data... if we change the tests the data really does not mean much | 16:05 |
| dwalleck | catherineD: My sticking point still is that we're not changing the test. If there was a test for API contracts, that would make sense. That's not what happened though | 16:05 |
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| Rockyg | VanL, ++ | 16:05 |
| VanL | Trenish's comments about "This is the way we do it, so screw it" is fundamentally wrongheaded | 16:05 |
| Rockyg | dwalleck, ++ | 16:05 |
| dwalleck | If there were actual tests for API response contracts, we could be talking about flagging or making those tests advisory | 16:05 |
| catherineD | dwalleck: the proposal is to comment out the response checking that is changing the test to me | 16:05 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: we would flag a whole wealth of compute tests, making the guideline meaningless. This is a syntax vs functional change | 16:05 |
| luzC | o/ | 16:05 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: so be it | 16:05 |
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| VanL | +1 catherineD | 16:06 |
| Rockyg | Also, Matt's comment of "I'd never consider Juno" when that's where the problem is | 16:06 |
| catherineD | the the same thing as mask out checking the fundamental of API response compliant | 16:06 |
| hogepodge | there's still meaning behind saying "this api performs this action" | 16:06 |
| catherineD | that is the #1 enemy of interops | 16:06 |
| VanL | I also think that this is essentially an undeclared capability | 16:06 |
| dwalleck | catherineD: Not necessarily. This is all the work I had to do to fix my issues, which was 3 changes https://github.com/dwalleck/tempest/commit/53e82a55d2b39a48ef7e50c9b900823105b6a164 | 16:06 |
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| Rockyg | catherineD, they changed the original test to encforce the checking | 16:07 |
| Rockyg | At the start of Kilo cycle | 16:07 |
| hogepodge | dwalleck: that fixes everything? | 16:07 |
| VanL | There was a defined capability "Add stuff to the API" that was, for obvious reasons, not tested | 16:07 |
| hogepodge | dwalleck: that's really useful to know | 16:07 |
| dwalleck | hogepodge: for Rackspace for extra properties? Yes | 16:07 |
| VanL | This was acceptable and encouraged - just until it was not | 16:07 |
| catherineD | I would agree if we add a test to specificly test for the response | 16:07 |
| catherineD | to hightlight the issue areas | 16:08 |
| VanL | What I would do is propose a new test that tests *only* strict API checking | 16:08 |
| VanL | Add that test as an independent test of an independent capability | 16:08 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: so the change is to correct the test that is why I think we should flag the tests | 16:08 |
| catherineD | VanL: ++++ | 16:09 |
| VanL | And then turn off that capability for all defcorish tests | 16:09 |
| catherineD | VanL: +++ | 16:09 |
| Rockyg | Also, catherineD, the checking is in the code itself starting in either Kilo or sometime later. So, it's code enforced, not test enforced | 16:09 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: my thinking is we should not mask out the issue that we discover .... | 16:10 |
| dwalleck | catherineD: The problem is that since the property checking isn't it's own test, you would have to flag every test. To me it's a separation of concerns issue, but I know that's not the opinion of the QA folks | 16:10 |
| Rockyg | Not mask, but not fail. | 16:10 |
| VanL | I also think that we need to make another decision - probably a discussion for midcycle - as to whether defcore's purpose is to put a ceiling on functionality or a floor | 16:10 |
| catherineD | I agree with VanL: 's proposal that we should still the the response behavior | 16:10 |
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| VanL | I think that in general, defcore should present a floor - a base layer of agreed-upon capability | 16:11 |
| Rockyg | If you look to Sean's email, it*will* be handled in code for Newton. But our tests are generally used for older releases | 16:11 |
| catherineD | Masking out the issue is not why we want to spend all our time and energy for interop test | 16:11 |
| VanL | And I think that should be strictly enforced | 16:11 |
| VanL | but I think that we should, as defcore, allow vendors to add stuff to the API, or to responses. | 16:11 |
| hogepodge | Upstream has been very clear that additional responses and extensions that aren't upstream are out. I feel obligated to fall in line with that eventually. I'm asking for extra time for vendors to either remove the extra attributes or work with upstream to release new microversions | 16:11 |
| cjvolzka | VanL: + | 16:11 |
| Rockyg | I think we all think of DefCore here as "floor" | 16:11 |
| VanL | Maybe there is a namespacing issue - vendor-specific stuff under /vendor/ | 16:12 |
| dwalleck | hogepodge: ++ | 16:12 |
| hogepodge | Also, I've been told by python-openstack client that strict response checking is on the feature list for their client, so this is going to be the norm in the future rather than the exception | 16:12 |
| Rockyg | hogepodge, ++ | 16:12 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: by not testing the response we won't know which vendors still have the issue | 16:12 |
| hogepodge | My goal here is to raise the issue transparently to the community and buy time. | 16:12 |
| VanL | hogepodge: As soon as there is an upstream way for vendors to fix issues and add capabilities. | 16:13 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: we will know exactly with calls are returning extra data, my proposal makes it a requirement to report it | 16:13 |
| VanL | I fundamentally do not agree with "the fastest any vendor can go is at the speed of the community" | 16:13 |
| dwalleck | If this is the norm going forward and we don't change Tempest, is there a way we could make the DefCore guideline specifically saying that API response checking is a required thing? | 16:13 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: who will report and how? | 16:13 |
| Rockyg | hogepodge, until the enforcement is in the code, I don't think we can fail the vendors who take advantage of the laxness | 16:13 |
| VanL | I *do* agree that any vendor-specific functionality should be explicitly marked, so as to not affect interop | 16:13 |
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| hogepodge | VanL: this is why, at a minimum, I also thing we need to start using a branch of Tempest and back-porting changes, so we have a known working instance at time of guideline approval | 16:14 |
| hogepodge | s/think/thing | 16:14 |
| Rockyg | hogepodge, ++ | 16:14 |
| dwalleck | I'd just like to make sure the requirement is captured in some way that can be referenced, since you can't currently point to a test right now that defines that requirement | 16:14 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: vendors will report to the foundation at time of applying for the trademark, and the APIs that vary will be listed in their marketplace entry | 16:15 |
| VanL | hogepodge: +1, at a minimum. We will need to fork sooner or later. Friendly fork, but fork | 16:15 |
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| Rockyg | DefCore does not work from trunk, it works on releases that *aren't* changing so neither should he test/test frameworks | 16:15 |
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| VanL | dwalleck, hogepodge: What about adding a new "adheres to strict API checking" test, and adding that as advisory? | 16:16 |
| catherineD | VanL: ++ | 16:16 |
| VanL | And turning it off in all other tests (per dwalleck's changes)? | 16:16 |
| docaedo | I wouldn't think a fork would be required if you can find a tempest tag or release the stick with | 16:16 |
| Rockyg | dwalleck, it's in a design spec. Change in code functionality. They changed the tests first to prevent regression in new code being added | 16:16 |
| * docaedo forgot to say hi earlier | 16:16 | |
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| Rockyg | docaedo, problem is, if you go for a tag, you don't get any of the new tests or bugfixes | 16:17 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: as a interop testing group. Arer't we glad that they change the tests to expose this? | 16:17 |
| hogepodge | VanL: I really don't know. I don't disagree with the response being checked inline, I just want more time to let that be optional. | 16:17 |
| VanL | docaedo: The difference is in the purpose for testing. Gate testing (avoid regression) is fundamentally different from defcore testing (assure baseline interop) | 16:17 |
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| Rockyg | catherineD, yes, but not without fixing the code, too. | 16:18 |
| dwalleck | VanL and hogepodge: By hogepodge's original email, if we could make those "additionalProperties" fields configurable, which shouldn't be difficult, then we could really handle this problem without impacting Tempest further | 16:18 |
| VanL | hogepodge: /me waves back at old "atomic" discussions | 16:19 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: fixing the code means do not allow extension? | 16:19 |
| docaedo | VanL and Rockyg understood, and I assume "fork tempest" does not intend to diverge long term from tempest - but please continue, did not mean to distract from the conversation at hand | 16:19 |
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| Rockyg | The issue is that dev )QA dev) thinks that all of vendors, no matter what release they put out there or when, should meet all new test standrds | 16:19 |
| Rockyg | no problem, docaedo ;-) We like developers to know our pain and help solve it | 16:20 |
| dwalleck | We could write tests specifically for API compat and require those, while still using the rest of Tempest without the need to go our own route | 16:20 |
| VanL | Question for this group: Is there anyone *here in defcore* that thinks we should have strict API checking *right now*? | 16:20 |
| hogepodge | Rockyg: well, if we assume tempest works at guideline release, we should branch it at guideline release then cherry pick bug fixes. Then for a given guideline we know that we won't be caught by changes | 16:20 |
| VanL | dwalleck: +1 | 16:20 |
| hogepodge | VanL: In six months, yes. | 16:21 |
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| Rockyg | hogepodge, ++ Like in the old days :-) | 16:21 |
| dwalleck | With the added benefit that folks not totally API compliant would be able to use Tempest at all for functional testing | 16:21 |
| VanL | I see that there are different thoughts about its applicability later | 16:21 |
| catherineD | VanL: I believe in strict API testing for interop purpose and we should enforce or expose those who do not ... but does not have to fail them for trademark purpose | 16:21 |
| Rockyg | VanL, when it's in the code, and only for those releases that have it and going forward | 16:21 |
| docaedo | catherineD: +1 | 16:22 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: in interest of time, do you have any suggestions on how we should proceed? | 16:22 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: that is why we should not fail them for trademark purpose | 16:22 |
| hogepodge | we're not going to reach consensus this week | 16:22 |
| hogepodge | (if ever ;-P ) | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: agreed. So, a couple of things: | 16:23 |
| VanL | hogepodge: I can accept strict API checking when/iff there is an allowed extension mechanism that doesn't gum up interop. | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | 1.) There are a lot of opinions being expressed here that I don't think have made it out to the bigger audience on the ML's yet, so I'd encourage you to chime in there. | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | This is an important topic for the entire ecosystem. | 16:24 |
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| Rockyg | catherineD, I agee we need to know. I also think that we need to somehow get devs to understand that the change in contract going forward (strict checking) is a now and forward conract that can't be applied (but can be exposed) for artifacts that existed before the contract change | 16:24 |
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| gema | markvoelker: ++ | 16:24 |
| Rockyg | markvoelker, ++ | 16:25 |
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| markvoelker | 2.) hogepodge, I think we need to create formal proposal of some sort that folks can vote on and that lays out where changes would be made (in tempest, refstack, or elsewhere) | 16:25 |
| VanL | markvoelker: "folks can vote on" - which folks? | 16:25 |
| catherineD | Rockyg: ++ ... that is the reason why we have the RefStack to collect data for statistical purpose eventually | 16:26 |
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| markvoelker | VanL: DefCore needs to decide if we're going to flag tests or not, and if we're going to add additional separate capabilties in the future or not | 16:26 |
| VanL | That is one important point: We listen to and take input from other groups, but they don't get a vote | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | VanL: As always, I'm interested in hearing feedback from others. | 16:26 |
| Rockyg | oh, and markvoelker, could you change you nick so I don' have to type 2/3 of your name before I get a unique match on IRC?) | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | 3.) I imagine this is the sort of thing the Board is going to be interested in since we are ultimately a Board body. | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | There is a Board meeting coming up later this month, and I think we should put in an agenda item to raise awareness even if we don't have a clear plan of action yet. | 16:27 |
| Rockyg | ++ and I think that is what hogepodge said in the original post. | 16:28 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: for 2) I will write up a proposal, which will include some alternatives based on what happens in this group and upstream | 16:28 |
| VanL | markvoelker: I think that this is the sort of thing that should go in the defcore test spec that gema has been working on - we could propose that to the board and get guidance | 16:28 |
| shamail | markvoelker and hogepodge: does it make sense to hold off on the voting until after midcycle? This topic seems perfect for discussion at the event. | 16:28 |
| Rockyg | VanL, ++ | 16:28 |
| VanL | And that could be *defcore | 16:28 |
| VanL | 's guidance | 16:28 |
| shamail | VanL: ++ | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | shamail: I think we should get a proposal put together sooner rather than later. When it lands is going to depend on the discussion. | 16:29 |
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| Rockyg | Also, expext discussion in TC this week or next | 16:30 |
| shamail | Sounds good, thanks. | 16:30 |
| hogepodge | shamail: keep in mind that this is time sensitive, we have vendors looking to renew or get a new trademark now or soon | 16:30 |
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| hogepodge | shamail: too long may be too late, but we also can't rush it. | 16:30 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: how many tests are we talking about? | 16:30 |
| hogepodge | shamail: basically, a whole lot of no fun | 16:31 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: from dwalleck's patch, three | 16:31 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: no, not tests, APIs | 16:31 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: I don't know how many tests | 16:31 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: thx | 16:31 |
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| hogepodge | catherineD: dwalleck and Rockyg would have better data than I do | 16:31 |
| dwalleck | hogepodge: I can give you some more stats if that would be helpful | 16:32 |
| hogepodge | dwalleck: yes please | 16:32 |
| VanL | Rockyg: Could you take a look at dwalleck's patch - does that work for Huawei? | 16:32 |
| Rockyg | please. I don't get stats from our team, just confused whining | 16:32 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://github.com/dwalleck/tempest/commit/53e82a55d2b39a48ef7e50c9b900823105b6a164 | 16:32 |
| Rockyg | Oops. did I say that in my IRC voice? | 16:32 |
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| catherineD | I would be interesting to know whether those vendors are in fact interop with others at the "core" level | 16:33 |
| Rockyg | I'll pass it by our guys and request a quick response. Should be able to get it for tomorrow. | 16:33 |
| shamail | Heh :) I like the idea of having a proposal to review... The discussion could carry over if necessary to midcycle (maybe even a short-term versus long-term position discussion if we resolve this actual topic) | 16:33 |
| Rockyg | dwalleck, is that patch everything my team might need? | 16:33 |
| dwalleck | Rockyg: That depends on where your extra properties are. This squashes checking on servers, flavors, and quotas responses | 16:34 |
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| hogepodge | catherineD: I'm working under the presumption that the additional properties would not impact any applications, and can be safely ignored. I wouldn't be advocating for this if I thought otherwise | 16:34 |
| Rockyg | catherineD, my understanding is our team added the extra response to handle network stuff they neede that didn't exist in Neutron | 16:34 |
| dwalleck | Yours are probably different, but if you send me a gist with what your responses look like, I might be able to point you in the right direction | 16:35 |
| Rockyg | dwalleck, Thanks. My guys are pretty good. I should be able to get the list of non-pass from them, too. | 16:35 |
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| hogepodge | Rockyg: I'm also working under the assumption that these additional properties will be removed or integrated upstream | 16:35 |
| VanL | catherineD: If you use the common rule (from other similar standards) to "Ignore what you don't understand," then, yes, interop works | 16:35 |
| hogepodge | (in future product releases) | 16:35 |
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| hogepodge | Can we call time on this to hit the other topics? We ok with that? | 16:36 |
| dwalleck | ++ | 16:36 |
| luzC | ++ | 16:36 |
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| Rockyg | They know their stuff, just not community process, and hogepodge so am I. Move to next OpenStack release for them will solve lots of problems and reduce where they neede to do extra stuff. | 16:37 |
| markvoelker | It may perhaps be a good idea to prove that point out a bit...personally I haven't found a lot of commonly used toolkits that barf on extra attributes, but it may be worth putting some time into testing ones we know are widely used. | 16:37 |
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| markvoelker | (the user survey has some data on popular sdk's and such) | 16:37 |
| dwalleck | markvoelker: That would actually be a very helpful thing we could point to | 16:37 |
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| Rockyg | ++ to more dat and to moving on | 16:38 |
| markvoelker | Ok, 20 minutes to go and we really need to hit a couple of the other agenda items today. | 16:38 |
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| markvoelker | #topic Midcycle planning | 16:39 |
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| catherineD | VanL: markvoelker: so the common rule (best practice) is for vendors to " ignore what you don't understand" for interop puprpose | 16:39 |
| VanL | catherineD: Yes, although the real target of that advice is clients | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreSummer2016Sprint Midcycle planning etherpad | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | So from the preliminary info we got there, it looks like the week of August 1 works well for most folks | 16:40 |
| markvoelker | We also have 4 volunteers to host. 2 in Silicon Valley, 1 in Texas, 1 in the UK. | 16:41 |
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| markvoelker | We need to firm this up, and the sooner the better. I think the -2/-1/+1/+2 format we used for dates actually worked pretty well...should we do that for locations too? | 16:42 |
| dwalleck | sure | 16:43 |
| markvoelker | Or would folks prefer I send out a Doodle poll? Or...? | 16:43 |
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| Rockyg | I'm not saying this, but I'm just saying, our guys haven't figured out sponsoring meetings yet, so it could take me some time to make it happen. I'd like to go through the steps with them so they understand the requirements, especially planning and costs, but likely can't act quickly enough. | 16:43 |
| markvoelker | Rockyg: so, we may need to withdraw Huawei as a possible site then? | 16:43 |
| hogepodge | if vmware is an option, the valley would be covered anyway | 16:44 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: True. And I can confirm VMware is definitely an option. | 16:44 |
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| VanL | We have a couple venues at our campus here, depending on how many people we have (size is not a problem, just different room sets fit different sizes) | 16:45 |
| Rockyg | markvoelker, I'd say, it would be best to this round. We made the gesture, now I have to get them to understand both the cost of doing it aand the cost of lost opportunity for not. | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | Rockyg: ok. Thanks for the interest, and for clarifying. | 16:45 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. It's an education process. | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | Ok, with that in mind I'll send out mail this week asking folks to fill in -2/-1/+1/+2 on the pad and we'll finalize at next week's meeting. Sound good? | 16:46 |
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| VanL | +1 | 16:46 |
| Rockyg | Thanks all for understanding. Hopeuflly ready for either next cycle or next time valley is an option | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | Great. Ok, there's also a topic list on the pad there, so let's try to make sure we get all prospective topics listed too | 16:47 |
| Rockyg | Can you leave us on, but grayed out or something? I want them to see the process with us in it, but not winning. | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | (I'll add that to the note) | 16:47 |
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| Rockyg | Actually, most of the folks here voting for something else would do it. | 16:47 |
| gema | Rockyg: so you want us to -1 you? | 16:47 |
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| Rockyg | Plus VMware has a *much* nicer campus and better food. | 16:48 |
| markvoelker | #action markvoelker will send email to ML this week to finalize dates/places on the etherpad | 16:48 |
| Rockyg | gema, yup. | 16:48 |
| gema | Rockyg: you got it :) | 16:48 |
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| markvoelker | Anything else on midcycle planning we need to hit today? | 16:48 |
| markvoelker | Moving on... | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | #topic Upcoming Board Meeting | 16:49 |
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| markvoelker | There's a BoD meeting at the end of the month. I put a couple items in the pad that we may want to bring up. Anything else? | 16:49 |
| VanL | The spec | 16:50 |
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| Rockyg | looks good. | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | VanL: noted. | 16:51 |
| Rockyg | Uh, is there a report on how many and types of vendors that have passe, and which guidelines, etc? | 16:51 |
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| Rockyg | It would be great to start getting some numbers into the minutes | 16:52 |
| markvoelker | Rockyg: no, although that data is available in the marketplace and I think we've occasionally provided a rollup in the past. | 16:52 |
| Rockyg | I think we should schedule a numbers report to the for a specific time in our cycle | 16:53 |
| Rockyg | to the boar. | 16:54 |
| Rockyg | board. | 16:54 |
| markvoelker | Rockyg: reasonable. Maybe part of the major issues report? | 16:54 |
| Rockyg | But not part of this agenda, so future item | 16:54 |
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| Rockyg | markvoelker, ++ | 16:54 |
| markvoelker | Ok, moving on if nothing further for the Board... | 16:54 |
| markvoelker | #topic Documentation generation update | 16:54 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: take it away | 16:54 |
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| catherineD | Rockyg: markvoelker: When RefStack finishes vendor/product registation .. this data would be obtained easily | 16:55 |
| hogepodge | Can everyone look at the documentation updates? It's a work in progress, but I want to get those published to openstack docs | 16:55 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329727/ | 16:55 |
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| hogepodge | The first step is cleaning things up | 16:55 |
| dwalleck | can do | 16:55 |
| hogepodge | The second is adding a post-gate job that publishes | 16:56 |
| markvoelker | catherineD: duly noted | 16:56 |
| hogepodge | I want to add the lexicon, clean things up, but that's a start | 16:56 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: thanks for this. I'll take a look. | 16:56 |
| hogepodge | plus, if I'm missing anything, please let me know | 16:56 |
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| markvoelker | #action everyone please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329727/ | 16:56 |
| markvoelker | Anything else on this? We're down to a couple of minutes | 16:57 |
| Rockyg | doing that now... | 16:57 |
| catherineD | hogepodge: now that we move schema to JSON format ... we seem like loosing the comments | 16:57 |
| catherineD | The comments has been very helpful ... should we still keep the rst file for comments | 16:58 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: I added an rst file, so we can annotate there | 16:58 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: change log and imports the schema, we can do an unofficial mock up with comments too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329727/1/doc/source/schema/1.5.rst | 16:59 |
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| Rockyg | cool | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | Ok, I think we're out of time. Thanks folks--and again, I'd love to see some of you chime in on the broader ML discussion. See you soon! | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 15 17:00:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-06-15-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-06-15-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-06-15-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| david-lyle | #startmeeting HorizonDrivers | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 15 20:00:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| hurgleburgler | ( ಠ‿ಠ)┘ | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: HorizonDrivers)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers' | 20:00 |
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| tyr__ | o/ | 20:00 |
| TravT | o/ | 20:00 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 20:00 |
| bpokorny | o/ | 20:00 |
| david-lyle | Rob is off holidaying, so I'm here for your entertainment | 20:01 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:01 |
| david-lyle | The agenda is not set, and the morning Horizon meeting was cancelled | 20:01 |
| david-lyle | Couple of reminders | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | The midcycle is coming up quickly | 20:02 |
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| david-lyle | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/HorizonNewtonSprint | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/HorizonNewtonSprint | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | please register if you plan to attend | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | newer users of the wiki are not able to get accounts to edit | 20:03 |
| TravT | i'm surprised clu isn't on there. | 20:03 |
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| david-lyle | so if you want to register but can't, please read the instructions on the page for alternative methods | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | the etherpad for topics is linked from there as well | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | TravT, that's clu_ to you | 20:04 |
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| david-lyle | Not sure of other general items other than npm_run_test continues to plague us | 20:05 |
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| david-lyle | There have not been many new blueprints proposed, does anyone have one they want/need reviewed? | 20:06 |
| TravT | i do have a question | 20:07 |
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| * david-lyle will fake an answer | 20:07 | |
| TravT | where are we on library upgrades and all the xstatic fun? | 20:07 |
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| david-lyle | well | 20:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ah | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | our gate is now all separate from integrated tempest | 20:07 |
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| david-lyle | and we're relying on upper-constraints, so are we ready to roll r1chardj0n3s ? | 20:08 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | I need to review where we're up to in the "plan" and see what the next step is | 20:09 |
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| david-lyle | I think we're at the break things part | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | wait, that's where we're always at | 20:09 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I was about to give a longer answer but I think david-lyle summarises well ;-) | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | well, it's easy to find | 20:09 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | yeah, we should be able to attempt an automated release | 20:09 |
| hurgleburgler | how exciting ]o/ | 20:09 |
| hurgleburgler | \o/ too | 20:10 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I will work with my infra / releases folks to try to make that happen | 20:10 |
| TravT | okay, just was thinking that we'd want to have library upgrades all done before newton 3 | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | yes, sooner is better | 20:10 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | that's now #1 on my horizon priorities | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | the tempest part was ready a couple of weeks ago, so I'm not sure what we're stuck on | 20:10 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I think we're stuck on me | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | maybe rob's vacationing brain knows | 20:11 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | I got distracted after the tempest change went through, sorry. | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | no worries | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | so library soup is on the menu for the next few weeks | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | delightful | 20:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | \o/ | 20:12 |
| tsufiev | do we plan to roll angular 1.4 in newton? | 20:12 |
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| tsufiev | just curious | 20:12 |
| TravT | tsufiev, yes | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | I'm going to be that guy | 20:12 |
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| tsufiev | nice :) | 20:12 |
| TravT | robcresswell already did some work on that | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | we need to make sure that the supported distros are going to line up | 20:13 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | yeah | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | or we deliverable unrunnable code | 20:13 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308251/ | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | 16.04 should have shiny new versions | 20:13 |
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| TravT | and david-lyle's scripts nixed his review fixing a few things | 20:14 |
| TravT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309004/ | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | but we should pull mrunge in at some point to consult | 20:14 |
| mrunge | sorry, in a meeting right now | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | mrunge, we'll need you another day, just reminding people to talk to you about library versions | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | mrunge, go about your business | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | :) | 20:15 |
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| mrunge | :D | 20:15 |
| mrunge | ack | 20:15 |
| hurgleburgler | lol | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | TravT, I aim to nix things | 20:16 |
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| david-lyle | I started going through the abandons of blocked, but figure people would undo those | 20:16 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so what's the version of red hat we should be checking for our library versions | 20:16 |
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| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s, I honestly don't know any more | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | we should just consult with matthias another time | 20:17 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I guess I'll just try to figure out what the latest release is ;-) | 20:17 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah maybe | 20:17 |
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| david-lyle | any other topics? | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | I can always dig into the stale bp list if people are wanting | 20:21 |
| * tsufiev again reminds everybody to look into dsvm-integration job failure videos | 20:21 | |
| TravT | link tufiev? | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | now there's a fun date night | 20:21 |
| TravT | lol | 20:21 |
| tsufiev | it's fun and very educating | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | TravT, they are part of the review logs | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | so depends on the failed review | 20:22 |
| tsufiev | TravT, inside test_report dir for every failed dsvm job | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | s/review/job failure/ | 20:22 |
| TravT | okay, cool. thanks for that. i saw some chatter on that, but didn't digest it | 20:22 |
| tsufiev | so far I've managed to see that most of failures are caused by dropdowns somehow not showing up when clicked | 20:23 |
| hurgleburgler | uh oh | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | because they're themed?!?!?! | 20:23 |
| tsufiev | :)) | 20:23 |
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| hurgleburgler | ಠ▃ಠ | 20:24 |
| hurgleburgler | *runs away* ε=┌( >_<)┘ | 20:24 |
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| tsufiev | my primary 'suspect' is that some delayed JS initialization is done on page at the same moment when test clicks the dropdown | 20:24 |
| tsufiev | and it interferes with showing the dropdown content | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | sleep(1) | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | fixes everything | 20:24 |
| TravT | i usually prefer nap(15) | 20:25 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, that's the EVIL way | 20:25 |
| tsufiev | we're Jedi, not the Sith | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | vacay(15) | 20:25 |
| tsufiev | although there only ~2 people with integration tests knowledge, which aligns with Sith lore :/ | 20:26 |
| TravT | tsufiev, don't resist the power of the dark side | 20:26 |
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| david-lyle | other fun and excitement? or should we let tsufiev sleep and r1chardj0n3s wake up? | 20:28 |
| tsufiev | any ideas why npm-run-test still bothering us, by the way? | 20:28 |
| r1chardj0n3s | don't wanna | 20:28 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I thought we had an npm mirror now | 20:28 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but we're still seeing bizarro network issues in install part of tests | 20:29 |
| tsufiev | and 40 mins timeouts as well | 20:29 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah, like the test runner just decides to not exit | 20:29 |
| david-lyle | krotscheck, around? | 20:29 |
| krotscheck | Only if you're willing to fill out a Turing-test survey afterwards :) | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | npm-run-test question | 20:30 |
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| david-lyle | why does it not work? explained to melike I'm a horizon developer | 20:30 |
| krotscheck | Righto. | 20:30 |
| krotscheck | "I don't know" | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | I already had that answer on my own :) | 20:31 |
| krotscheck | We've observed it hanging at the end of both test runs, and the only thing that happens there is the generation of the coverage report. | 20:31 |
| krotscheck | s/both/either/ | 20:31 |
| tsufiev | should we disable coverage reports temporarily? | 20:31 |
| krotscheck | Of course, there's a lot of things happening during that, including (I believe) releasing the karma ports. | 20:32 |
| krotscheck | Releasing the browsers, etc. | 20:32 |
| krotscheck | Our original hypothesis whas that the system's # of open files is a problem. | 20:32 |
| krotscheck | But we landed that patch, and it didn't do anything. | 20:32 |
| krotscheck | (The reason we came up with that hypothesis is because it was stuck on popen_wait | 20:33 |
| david-lyle | what can we do to help that won't get in your way? | 20:34 |
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| krotscheck | david-lyle: Well, I let matt-borland know monday that I can't really continue investigating it, as I've got 2 weeks to go before a 2 week vacation, and all this App Eco WG and JavaScript SDK work is sucking down my time. | 20:35 |
| krotscheck | david-lyle: So, having someone take over would be nice. | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | ok, so we won't step on your toes flailing at it for a bit | 20:35 |
| krotscheck | This post will go a long way towards getting a test environment set up: https://krotscheck.net/2016/06/01/how-to-simulate-an-openstack-infra-slave.html | 20:36 |
| krotscheck | Which is what I used to simulate the issue, but there's the unfortunate bug that vagrant doesn't play well with xenial yet. | 20:36 |
| krotscheck | No you wont. | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | ok, thanks for your efforts and the link | 20:37 |
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| david-lyle | anyone else, or should we wrap up? | 20:39 |
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| david-lyle | sounds like we're done. Thanks everyone. | 20:40 |
| TravT | thanks | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | #endmeeting | 20:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 15 20:40:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-06-15-20.00.html | 20:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-06-15-20.00.txt | 20:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizondrivers/2016/horizondrivers.2016-06-15-20.00.log.html | 20:40 |
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