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| PaulMurray | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 21 14:01:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is PaulMurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:01 |
| davidgiluk | o/ | 14:01 |
| tdurakov | o/ | 14:01 |
| PaulMurray | hi all | 14:01 |
| luis5tb | o/ | 14:01 |
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| mdbooth | o/ | 14:01 |
| diana_clarke | o/ | 14:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:01 |
| paul-carlton2 | o/ | 14:01 |
| PaulMurray | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaLiveMigration | 14:01 |
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| PaulMurray | #topic Non-priority features | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Non-priority features (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:02 | |
| PaulMurray | we have just over another week to complete non-prio features | 14:02 |
| * kashyap waves | 14:03 | |
| PaulMurray | #link Newton release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | So I thought it would be | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | a good idea to run through where the bps have got to | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | so, starting with | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | #link Automatic Live Migration Completion (luis5tb, pkoniszewski, paul-carlton) - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306561 | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | luis5tb, tdurakov ? | 14:04 |
| tdurakov | m? | 14:04 |
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| PaulMurray | I think the patches are mostly from luis5tb | 14:04 |
| luis5tb | we are waiting for some more reviews, but looking good | 14:04 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/auto-live-migration-completion | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | are you depenant on danpb's patches ? | 14:05 |
| luis5tb | yes | 14:05 |
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| PaulMurray | do you need to be ? | 14:05 |
| luis5tb | since the live_migration_monitor function was getting too complex | 14:05 |
| luis5tb | and fail to pass the pep8 tests | 14:05 |
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| PaulMurray | ok, so we need to get quite a few of those patches through before your's can merge | 14:06 |
| luis5tb | also, the automatic switch is dependent on the bug affecting the progress_watermark update | 14:06 |
| luis5tb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331685/1 | 14:06 |
| tdurakov | PaulMurray: I think it's worth to merge danpb patches | 14:06 |
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| tdurakov | although depends on it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304621/ | 14:06 |
| luis5tb | yes, it makes more sense to split some migration code into the migration.py | 14:07 |
| pkoniszewski | danpb changes are ready for ore review i think | 14:07 |
| tdurakov | +1 | 14:07 |
| pkoniszewski | so we can move this item for core review | 14:08 |
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| PaulMurray | yes, lets see if we can get someone to review it | 14:08 |
| PaulMurray | where does the dependency on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304621/ come in ? | 14:08 |
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| tdurakov | PaulMurray: monitor code complexity | 14:08 |
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| PaulMurray | I don't see the patches linked in a series | 14:09 |
| tdurakov | oh, need to update it, but anyway this really depends on danpb patches | 14:09 |
| luis5tb | ahh, you mean that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304621/ depends on danpb patches | 14:10 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304621/ should also be linked to the bp if it's for a bp | 14:10 |
| luis5tb | not on the automatic live migration ones | 14:10 |
| luis5tb | right? | 14:10 |
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| tdurakov | not it shouldn't as it bugfix, it's about dan's patches improtance | 14:10 |
| mriedem | i don't see a bug on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304621/ | 14:11 |
| mriedem | if it's a bug, let's open a bug and track it that way | 14:11 |
| tdurakov | yup | 14:11 |
| PaulMurray | So appart from that patch needing an update the rest of the series looks ready for core reviewers | 14:12 |
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| PaulMurray | but there are a lot of patches | 14:12 |
| PaulMurray | so we need it to go smoothly | 14:12 |
| PaulMurray | next | 14:12 |
| PaulMurray | #link Live Migration of Rescued Instances (paul-carlton) - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307131 | 14:12 |
| PaulMurray | paul-carlton2, do you have any comments | 14:13 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/live-migrate-rescued-instances | 14:13 |
| paul-carlton2 | working on filal fix for images with kernel and ramdisk | 14:14 |
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| paul-carlton2 | it works now, just fixing tests | 14:14 |
| paul-carlton2 | Also need to do tempest test | 14:14 |
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| PaulMurray | when will all the code be up for review? | 14:14 |
| paul-carlton2 | I aslo told johnthetubaguy I'd implement it for XEnAPI but that might miss cut now | 14:15 |
| paul-carlton2 | Code is up, tests need fixing but feel free to review what is there | 14:15 |
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| paul-carlton2 | If I don't get tthe XenAPI implementation done I will do it for O | 14:16 |
| PaulMurray | ok | 14:16 |
| PaulMurray | next | 14:16 |
| PaulMurray | #link Make checks before live-migration async (tdurakov) - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320416/ | 14:17 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/async-live-migration-rest-check | 14:17 |
| tdurakov | this one is good, review is welcome | 14:17 |
| tdurakov | first 2 ready to be merged | 14:17 |
| PaulMurray | good - most have a +2 I see | 14:18 |
| PaulMurray | #link Remove compute-compute communication in live-migration (tdurakov) - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292271/ | 14:18 |
| PaulMurray | has this been started ? | 14:18 |
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| tdurakov | yes | 14:18 |
| tdurakov | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/remove-compute-compute-communication | 14:18 |
| tdurakov | actualy it's reword/rebase of https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:conductor | 14:19 |
| tdurakov | so ready to be reviewed | 14:19 |
| tdurakov | will resubmit rollback centralization today, and all is done | 14:19 |
| PaulMurray | good - are they on the review page ? | 14:20 |
| tdurakov | will add right noew | 14:20 |
| PaulMurray | thank you | 14:20 |
| PaulMurray | for completeness | 14:20 |
| PaulMurray | #link Re-Proposes to check destination on migrations (bauzas) - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296408/ | 14:20 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/check-destination-on-migrations-newton | 14:20 |
| PaulMurray | this is probably tracked under scheduling | 14:20 |
| PaulMurray | see if bauzas pops up in a minute | 14:21 |
| mriedem | only changes left there are the client | 14:21 |
| * bauzas puts the head in the door's corner | 14:21 | |
| PaulMurray | that don't sound safe bauzas | 14:21 |
| bauzas | oh that | 14:21 |
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| bauzas | so, the BP is complete for the Nova side | 14:22 |
| bauzas | I made a patch for the client side of evacuation | 14:22 |
| bauzas | and I'm about to upload a patch for the live-mig one by EOD | 14:22 |
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| PaulMurray | do these fall under the scheduler subteam ? | 14:22 |
| bauzas | couple of nits for the first review, but looks good so far | 14:22 |
| bauzas | well, not really | 14:22 |
| bauzas | it's not a prio bp | 14:22 |
| mriedem | so the bp is done, | 14:23 |
| mriedem | only thing left is the cli | 14:23 |
| bauzas | it's rather a poor lone cowboy | 14:23 |
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| mriedem | which isn't restricted to the nova release schedule | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | ok - that's good then | 14:23 |
| bauzas | yeah that | 14:23 |
| mriedem | it's the next microversion that needs to be implemented in the cli | 14:23 |
| mriedem | so it will be done | 14:23 |
| mriedem | as others depend on it | 14:23 |
| bauzas | I fooled the release schedule :) | 14:23 |
| mriedem | so we don't really need to worry about that one here | 14:23 |
| bauzas | +1 | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | thanks bauzas | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | are there any bps I have missed | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | these were on our etherpad - I have a feeling there is another one that might have got lost | 14:24 |
| PaulMurray | ...but only a feeling | 14:24 |
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| PaulMurray | ok...... | 14:24 |
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| PaulMurray | next up | 14:24 |
| PaulMurray | before mriedem goes running to a meeting somewhere | 14:24 |
| PaulMurray | #topic CI | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:25 | |
| tdurakov | mriedem: any updated for job stability? | 14:25 |
| PaulMurray | any updates ? | 14:25 |
| mriedem | i was going to check the live migration job quick | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | but since it's in the experimental queue i'm not sure if we track stats on that, i'll find out | 14:25 |
| mriedem | you might have to come back around to me | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | np | 14:26 |
| tdurakov | PaulMurray, fyi: all shared storages were disabled, to track only block-migration failures for now | 14:26 |
| mriedem | the other thing is | 14:27 |
| mriedem | since it's an on-demand job any numbers we have are only going to be for what was run against it | 14:27 |
| mriedem | which could also be busted changes | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | I should encourage people to use the jobs | 14:27 |
| tdurakov | mriedem: well, maybe move it to check pipeline then? | 14:27 |
| mriedem | so i'm thinking we should probably just move that job to the check queue as non-voting | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | I forgot to do that recently | 14:28 |
| tdurakov | mriedem: +1 | 14:28 |
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| tdurakov | I'll prepare patch | 14:28 |
| PaulMurray | sounds good to me | 14:28 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure if that means we also want to drop the live migration tests from the gate-tempest-dsvm-multinode-full job which is also in the check queue and non-voting today | 14:28 |
| mriedem | since they would be essentially duplicating the test run | 14:28 |
| tdurakov | mriedem: i'd leave another job untouched for now | 14:28 |
| mriedem | yeah i agree, at least to start | 14:29 |
| tdurakov | need to figure out live-migration job health first, than disable tests for another one | 14:29 |
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| PaulMurray | yep, good plan | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | has anything else happened with CI this week | 14:30 |
| tdurakov | guess no | 14:30 |
| PaulMurray | ok, lets move on then | 14:30 |
| mriedem | ok so no data for gate-tempest-dsvm-multinode-live-migration | 14:30 |
| mriedem | just checked it | 14:30 |
| mriedem | b/c it's in the experimental queue | 14:30 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Libvirt Storage Pools | 14:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Libvirt Storage Pools (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:30 | |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, diana_clarke going ahead as usual ? | 14:31 |
| diana_clarke | Reviews, especially on the individual image backends, would be great. I'm also waiting on Virtuozzo CI. | 14:31 |
| mdbooth | Yeah, we've gotten a bit stalled on reviews for the main series | 14:31 |
| PaulMurray | lets see if we can get some more reviews | 14:32 |
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| PaulMurray | could be people turning attention to non-priority ff | 14:32 |
| mdbooth | However, we think there's some missing tempest coverage right now | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | I'd like to get a good understanding of where you are in the process after the coming week | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | so I'll be in touch about that | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | paul-carlton2, can help me understand | 14:32 |
| mdbooth | Suspect that resize might not be working correctly with the new series, but CI still says it's ok | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | hmmm | 14:33 |
| PaulMurray | you think the tests are any good ? | 14:33 |
| mdbooth | diana_clarke: were you going to look into that? | 14:33 |
| PaulMurray | I haven't looked | 14:33 |
| diana_clarke | mdbooth: Perhaps. I was thinking of taking a look at the tempest coverage next. | 14:35 |
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| mriedem | mdbooth: what do you suspect is missing? resize with ephemeral? i saw you opened a bug for that | 14:36 |
| mriedem | the resize tests in tempest are pretty basic | 14:36 |
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| PaulMurray | #action ALL please keep up reviews on image back end patches | 14:36 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: I haven't looked in detail, but I have a suspicion resize is completely broken | 14:36 |
| mdbooth | For all disks (with the new series) | 14:36 |
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| mriedem | mdbooth: oh, heh | 14:37 |
| mriedem | mdbooth: as in the disks don't actually resize | 14:37 |
| mdbooth | If that's true, that would suggest no CI coverage | 14:37 |
| mdbooth | I *think* so | 14:37 |
| mriedem | mdbooth: tempest just verifies the API doesn't barf | 14:37 |
| mriedem | it doesn't check the size of the disks or anything | 14:37 |
| mdbooth | Right, we'd want to it actually go into the guest and check the size of its disks | 14:37 |
| mriedem | which i don't think tempest is going to do | 14:37 |
| mriedem | because that's virt specific | 14:37 |
| mriedem | unless you ssh into the guest | 14:37 |
| mdbooth | Right, you'd have to ssh into the guest | 14:37 |
| mdbooth | But it's a thing for any hypervisor, right? | 14:38 |
| mriedem | we can't get any of that info out of the bdms from the api? | 14:38 |
| mdbooth | Hehe, funny story | 14:38 |
| mdbooth | BDMs don't get updated | 14:38 |
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| * mdbooth is working on fixing that right now | 14:38 | |
| mriedem | ok so rebuilding with bdms would take you back to the pre-resize state | 14:38 |
| mriedem | nice | 14:38 |
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| mdbooth | mriedem: Depends where you read your data from | 14:39 |
| mdbooth | Because instance object *is* updated | 14:39 |
| mdbooth | So root_gb, ephemeral_gb, swap_mb all updated | 14:39 |
| mdbooth | But not bdms | 14:39 |
| PaulMurray | is your code worse than the existing code ? | 14:40 |
| PaulMurray | for that? | 14:40 |
| PaulMurray | ...its not something you've introduced is it ? | 14:40 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: If I'm right about it not resizing anything, then yes. | 14:40 |
| mdbooth | Currently it only doesn't resize ephemeral disks. | 14:40 |
| PaulMurray | ....well at least you code is consistent.... lol | 14:41 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: :) | 14:41 |
| * PaulMurray that's an ironic lol, not a real laught | 14:41 | |
| mdbooth | Interestingly, resizing of ephemeral disks is broken in at least 3 different ways I'm currently aware of. | 14:42 |
| mdbooth | 3 different and entirely independent ways, each of which mean it could never work. | 14:42 |
| mdbooth | Incidentally, in attempting to fix that I'm going to have to fudge a design question | 14:42 |
| mdbooth | Namely, what does it mean to resize an instance with more than 1 ephemeral disk? | 14:43 |
| mdbooth | It's permitted to create multiple ephemeral disks up to a total of ephemeral_gb | 14:43 |
| mdbooth | By default it only creates 1, taking up the whole space | 14:43 |
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| mdbooth | Resizing just 1 is obvious | 14:43 |
| mdbooth | But what does it even mean to resize more than 1? | 14:43 |
| PaulMurray | I don't follow | 14:43 |
| * mdbooth is planning to emit a warning in the logs and do nothing | 14:43 | |
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| mdbooth | PaulMurray: You have a flavor which permits an ephemeral disk of 5F | 14:44 |
| mdbooth | s/F/G/ | 14:44 |
| mdbooth | When you create your instance, you explicitly specify 2 ephemeral disks of sizes 2G and 3G | 14:44 |
| mdbooth | This is ok, because total <= 5G | 14:45 |
| mdbooth | Now you resize to a flavor with ephemeral size of 10G | 14:45 |
| mdbooth | What do you do? | 14:45 |
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| mdbooth | Create a third ephemeral of size 5G? | 14:45 |
| mdbooth | Double the size of both existing disks? | 14:45 |
| mdbooth | Resize one of them? | 14:45 |
| * PaulMurray obviously don't remember this bit | 14:45 | |
| PaulMurray | I would imagine you would log it and do nothing | 14:46 |
| mriedem | yikes | 14:46 |
| mriedem | config option! | 14:46 |
| * mdbooth larts mriedem | 14:46 | |
| PaulMurray | you would need more detail to specify what to do right ? | 14:46 |
| * mriedem looks up "larts" | 14:46 | |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: Yeah, I'm just planning to punt it. | 14:46 |
| mdbooth | It's broken now, and I'm pretty sure almost nobody does this | 14:47 |
| mdbooth | I was just going to leave it broken with a warning. | 14:47 |
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| mriedem | mdbooth: might be a good ask for the ops ml | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | I'm going to do some homework so I know what happens | 14:47 |
| mdbooth | We can fix it after we've bikeshedded it a bit | 14:47 |
| mriedem | to see if they have users running into that | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | there was nothing else on the agenda, but I had better get back to it and make sure in case | 14:48 |
| * mdbooth is pretty sure the regular case is a single ephemeral disk, and that's easy enough to fix | 14:48 | |
| mdbooth | 1 thing | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | go ahead | 14:48 |
| mdbooth | I wrote this last week: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097529.html | 14:49 |
| mdbooth | Writing it was a useful exercise for me | 14:49 |
| mdbooth | If it's useful to anybody else too, that would be awesome | 14:49 |
| mriedem | i still need to read it | 14:49 |
| mriedem | but i intend on reading it | 14:49 |
| andrearosa | same here | 14:49 |
| mriedem | because if there is one thing i love reading, it's about BDMs in nova | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | me too | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | I keep it for bed time | 14:49 |
| mdbooth | Related note, I think instance_disk_info might need to die | 14:50 |
| mriedem | i'm reading 'faust' before bed right now, so it can't get much worse | 14:50 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, any understanding is a good thing | 14:50 |
| mdbooth | Which would be relevant to live migration, because that seems to be its primary use | 14:50 |
| mdbooth | I think we can take its contents from the db | 14:50 |
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| mdbooth | Because if the 2 are out of sync we have other problems | 14:50 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, are we likely to get to a point where we can implement storage pools for migrate/resize before the end of this cycle ? | 14:51 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: I'm beginning to doubt it :( | 14:52 |
| mriedem | honestly we'll be looking good if we can get the refactor done for newton | 14:52 |
| PaulMurray | that's what I really wanted to know when I said I wanted to dig into it next week | 14:52 |
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| mriedem | i've started spending my review time on non-priority bp's this week and next | 14:53 |
| PaulMurray | so what I would like to do is work out what the plan is and if there is any way we can order it - I know you | 14:53 |
| PaulMurray | are probably doing that already, but | 14:54 |
| PaulMurray | I would like to get a handle on how to use people | 14:54 |
| PaulMurray | this cycle and next | 14:54 |
| PaulMurray | I'm not here to get in your way | 14:54 |
| mriedem | are you talking to me or mdbooth? | 14:55 |
| PaulMurray | I am here to get in your way mriedem | 14:55 |
| PaulMurray | always | 14:55 |
| PaulMurray | its mdbooth I'm trying to help | 14:55 |
| mriedem | damn you paul murray | 14:55 |
| PaulMurray | but need to get this week out the way first | 14:55 |
| mriedem | sounds like we could use someone poking on a tempest test that does resize plus ssh into the guest before and after to verify the disks are resized | 14:56 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: Happy to discuss in more detail next week if you like. | 14:56 |
| diana_clarke | My image backend patches haven't really been reviewed at all, so reviews would help. | 14:56 |
| mdbooth | +1 diana_clarke | 14:56 |
| PaulMurray | I didn't check if anyone had specific review requests or opens, but ther was nothing on the agenda | 14:56 |
| PaulMurray | so lets skip that | 14:56 |
| PaulMurray | I think we need to wrap up | 14:57 |
| * PaulMurray is going to change the title of this meeting to "What mdbooth found wrnog with nova this week" | 14:57 | |
| PaulMurray | :) | 14:57 |
| * mdbooth is honoured | 14:57 | |
| PaulMurray | I put an action for reviews | 14:57 |
| PaulMurray | time to end | 14:57 |
| PaulMurray | bye all | 14:57 |
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| PaulMurray | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 21 14:58:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-06-21-14.01.html | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-06-21-14.01.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-06-21-14.01.log.html | 14:58 |
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