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sc`#startmeeting openstack_chef16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 27 16:00:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sc`. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_chef'16:00
jklareo/16:01
sc`ohai!16:01
sc`judging from previous meetings, i think it's just the two of us16:02
jklareyeah, i guess most of the others went away to focus on other projects16:02
sc`alright. i don't think we need an agenda for the time being16:03
jklare:D16:03
jklarei am quite happy that we are done with stable/mitaka and from my side everything looks good so far16:04
sc`yeah, for sure. my team is starting to gnaw on it and see what they can do16:04
jklaresounds good16:04
jklareany plans on how we want to continue with the openstack-chef project during the newton cycle?16:05
sc`in order to land newton, we need openstackclient16:05
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jklaresounds reasonable16:05
sc`that's before we can even try converging16:05
jklareso you would go for replacing the service pythonclients by the openstackclient or rather try to abstract stuff into a wrapper with some ruby libraries16:06
jklarelike fog16:06
sc`we do have the client cookbook that abstracts to fog, but it might need some love before we can use it for newton16:07
jklareyeah, looked at it a while ago16:08
jklarethere is not too much there16:08
sc`yeah. not much to it16:08
sc`i'm looking at it, going to see what can be used, or if python-openstackclient is the way to go16:08
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sc`the good news is that in order to do 'rake unit' on keystone, not much needs to change16:10
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sc`so we should be able to get newer chefdk in, even if integration can't converge at the moment16:11
sc`only because integration still isn't voting :)16:11
jklare:)16:12
sc`i'll be spending some time on making 'rake unit' work with chefdk 0.15.15 with the master branch, and proposing those changes16:14
jklarecool16:14
sc`so we can get movement on at least one of the things we discussed at the summit :)16:14
jklarei think its a good first step16:15
jklarei will try to look at the apt cookbook update so we can make xenial work16:15
sc`awesome16:15
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sc`i was looking at lp, and i'm going to have to figure out how to 'release' mitaka so we can move forward there16:22
jklarewhat do you mean by "release" ?16:23
sc`according to https://launchpad.net/openstack-chef we're still actively focused on mitaka16:24
sc`okay, looks pretty straightforward16:25
jklareshould be released now :D16:25
sc`yep, i see it16:25
sc`thanks :D16:26
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jklarenp, i forgot that i wanted to do that :D16:27
sc`rock on. i'll register newton today16:27
jklaregreat16:28
jklareany thoughts about the "discontinued" cookbooks?16:28
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sc`swift and sahara? i'd love to get them current, but if nobody actively wants to use either one, it may be a bunch of work for nothing16:29
jklare+116:29
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sc`i haven't seen any patches on swift since... kilo i think16:30
jklarei think everybody is using ceph16:30
sc`beyond the "let's get this released" patches16:30
jklare^^16:32
sc`i'm fine with letting swift and sahara be as-is for now. if someone wants to step up in the meantime, they're quite welcome16:33
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jklareagreed16:36
sc`back to the client stuff, i think we will be pretty much forced down the path of using python-openstackclient or making fog work16:36
sc`everything i'm seeing suggests openstackclient is where to be16:36
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jklareyeah, but writing a wrapper around a pythonclient seems less than ideal16:38
jklarei think using a ruby library would be much more comfortable16:38
jklarealthough it would be more work initially16:38
sc`i think the main question there is who would be doing it16:38
jklareif nobody maintains the cookbook, we could fork back from suse :D https://github.com/crowbar/crowbar-openstack/tree/master/chef/cookbooks/swift16:39
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sc`:D16:40
jklarei mean the funny part is, that they are also maintaining these cookbooks and most of the time doing exactly the same fixes and patches we do :D16:40
sc`didn't suse contribute to the openstack cookbooks when they were still in the stackforge namespace?16:41
jklareyeah16:41
sc`that is amusing16:41
jklarethats why this is so funny16:41
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jklarebut thats off topic :D16:42
jklareso yeah, we should focus on the client cookbook16:43
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sc`looks like the crowbar cookbooks don't approach the client either. just relies on python-*client bindings. doesn't work for newton i imagine16:43
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sc`that's about all i have, since we seem to be diverging from topic16:45
jklare^^16:46
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sc`btw, i fixed liberty-rc1 on lp. that typo was bugging the shit out of me16:46
jklare:D16:46
jklarethese things are horrible16:46
sc`unless we have anything else for today, i think we'll call it a few minute early16:47
jklare+116:47
sc`sounds good. see you on the regular channel o/16:47
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sc`#endmeeting16:48
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Jun 27 16:48:13 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:48
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openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-06-27-16.00.txt16:48
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_chef/2016/openstack_chef.2016-06-27-16.00.log.html16:48
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dtantsurhey, who is here for the ironic meeting?17:00
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lucasagomesme17:00
dtantsur#startmeeting ironic17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 27 17:00:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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dtantsur#chair devananda rloo17:00
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openstackCurrent chairs: devananda dtantsur rloo17:00
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dtantsurwelcome everyone! our agenda as usual is on:17:01
dtantsur#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic17:01
dtantsur#topic Announcements / Reminders17:01
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dtantsurFirst of all, the next Monday is a holiday in the US17:01
dtantsurWill anyone feel sorry if we skip it?17:02
dtantsurit = the meeting17:02
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* devananda supports skipping the July 4th meetings17:02
lucasagomesfine to me17:02
sambettso/17:02
TheJuliano objections to cancelling next week's meeting17:02
mariojv\o17:02
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JayF++17:02
sambettsno objections here17:02
rlooskip, skip, skip to ...17:02
mat128skip17:02
thiagopskip17:03
jlvillal+1 for skip17:03
mat128#startvote Skip July 4th meeting?17:03
openstackOnly the meeting chair may start a vote.17:03
dtantsurawesome, then17:03
dtantsur#agreed We'll skip the next meeting (July 4th) due to the US holiday17:03
jlvillal#info No meeting on July 4th17:03
dtantsurdon't think we need a format vote on it, even though I find it tempting to try chatbot commands :)17:03
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dtantsurSecond announcement:17:04
dtantsur#info We've made a release of all supported branches due to a CVE17:04
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mat128#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/157279617:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1572796 in Ironic "Node information including credentials exposed to unathenticated users (CVE-2016-4985)" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Devananda van der Veen (devananda)17:04
dtantsurthanks!17:05
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dtantsurany more announcements/reminders?17:05
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dtantsurI take it as no :)17:06
rloogreat mid-cycle!17:06
dtantsuroh yeah!17:06
dtantsur#info We had a great virtual midcycle \o/17:06
dtantsurnow17:06
lucasagomesand thanks mat128 for the summary :-)17:06
JayFThere was also a pretty nasty IPA bug fixed; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic-python-agent/+bug/1592163 -- deployers should rebuild ramdisks with this fix17:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1592163 in ironic-python-agent mitaka "IPA may unexpectedly stop in a CoreOS-based ramdisk in certain circumstances" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Jay Faulkner (jason-oldos)17:06
dtantsur#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-midcycle midcycle etherpad17:06
lucasagomes(in the ML for those wondering)17:07
JayFit's in all branches and ramdisks were updated on merge as is usual17:07
JayF(stable branches)17:07
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dtantsur#info Deployers using the coreos IPA should rebuild their images due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic-python-agent/+bug/159216317:07
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dtantsuranything else?17:07
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mat128lucasagomes: thanks :)17:07
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dtantsurok, moving on17:08
dtantsur#topic Review subteam status reports17:08
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dtantsurthe status reports are on the whiteboard:17:08
dtantsur#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard17:08
dtantsurstarting line 7817:08
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dtantsurdevananda, do you feel you could remove your -2 from the first network patch, so that we start merging them?17:10
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dtantsurdevananda, this is https://review.openstack.org/206244 and it no longer involves portgroups, as agreed on the summit17:11
rloodtantsur, devananda: agreed at the midcycle17:12
devanandadtantsur: I'll take a look right now17:12
dtantsurthanks rloo, my bad :)17:12
dtantsurdevananda, thanks17:12
devanandadtantsur: my block was on the first API change, so that we did not merge any visible REST API changes until we were sure17:12
dtantsurlucasagomes, is it possible to add virtual console support to vbmc?17:12
devanandawe've already allowed some of the internal changes in, so I"m happy to allow more of thsoe in17:12
dtantsurdevananda, yeah, I know. it feels like The Time Has Come17:13
devanandaawesome17:13
devanandadtantsur, sambetts: who all has been able to verify these patches on Real Hardware (tm) ?17:13
lucasagomesdtantsur, yes, it seems possible17:13
mat128dtantsur: SoL?17:13
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dtantsurmat128, yep. see line 15217:13
devanandait's unfortunate but in the last month or so, I haven't had time to get this running in my lab again17:13
dtantsurdevananda, I'm waiting to get this Real Hardware :(17:14
mat128dtantsur: thanks :)17:14
lucasagomesdtantsur, I will add a bug on virtualbmc about it (wishlist)17:14
dtantsurlucasagomes, thanks! please link it on the whiteboard under line 15217:14
lucasagomesdtantsur, ack17:14
dtantsurkrotscheck_dcm, betherly, any updates on the webclient?17:15
krotscheck_dcmNone17:15
lucasagomesit may involve having to add the abstraction in pyghmi as well, anyway, will add to the bug17:15
devanandado we have tempest API coverage for the new API endpoints? I do not see it in this patch.17:15
krotscheck_dcmWell, not directly related anyway. We're abotu to move the Ironic API into the OpenStack JavaScript SDK17:15
dtantsurlucasagomes, please update line 164 if you don't mind17:15
dtantsurvdrok, vsaienko, see devananda's question above ^^^17:16
dtantsurkrotscheck_dcm, OpenStack JavaScript SDK? is there a thing? :)17:16
betherlydtantsur: in process of developing edit node functionality and state machine changes17:16
TheJuliabetherly: That is for the horizon plugin?17:16
krotscheck_dcmdtantsur: openstack/js-openstack-lib and openstack-infra/js-generator-openstack17:17
mat128TheJulia: webclient17:17
betherlyTheJulia: yep17:17
krotscheck_dcmSo yes17:17
mat128^w17:17
lucasagomesdone17:17
dtantsurkrotscheck_dcm, thanks, I didn't know about it17:17
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dtantsurthanks for updates, betherly, lucasagomes, krotscheck_dcm17:17
krotscheck_dcmdtantsur: It's 3 weeks old17:17
dtantsurhah :)17:17
betherlymat128: I work on the ironic horizon plugin, krotscheck_dcm on the webclient :)17:17
devanandadtantsur: the patches are not ready for me to remove that -217:17
dtantsurdevananda, I thought we prefer -1 when patches are not ready17:17
devanandadtantsur: the process we agreed on was that I will unblock the chain as a whole, once everything else is 2x +2'd and ready to land17:18
* dtantsur didn't agree on such process, but believes devananda..17:18
dtantsurfor the record: I don't think it's the right approach. but we won't be arguing on it in this section :)17:18
dtantsuranything else on the status? we have one topic, then we can have a flame war(s)17:18
dtantsur#topic make functional tests be voting for IPA17:19
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dtantsurjlvillal, your turn ;)17:19
jlvillalHey, maybe a bit premature on this17:19
jlvillalI thought it had been running in the gate longer.17:20
lucasagomesjlvillal, the tests were added last week17:20
jlvillalBut we did have these tests get broken.17:20
lucasagomesI would give it a lil more time and then no objections17:20
jlvillalAgreed. Defer for now. Maybe next week?17:20
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lucasagomescould be17:20
lucasagomesone a note, we should improve the funcitonal tests in IPA17:20
jlvillalSo far everything seems good from looking at test results17:20
lucasagomesthere's very little there17:20
dtantsuryeah, the next week, if we don't see excessive random failures17:21
dtantsurlucasagomes++17:21
jlvillallucasagomes, Agreed. And hopefully if it is a voting test, maybe more interest from people to add...17:21
lucasagomesyeah, I think we do have a bug about it17:21
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jlvillalI could believe people didn't even know about it.17:21
dtantsurwe do17:21
dtantsurjlvillal++ I'd prefer to add things to a voting (or at least running) test17:22
lucasagomes#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic-python-agent/+bug/149203617:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1492036 in ironic-python-agent "IPA does not have functional testing" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Mario Villaplana (mario-villaplana-j)17:22
jlvillalThe ironic-pythong-agent got added to a 'ci watch' system that someone is running.17:22
dtantsurcool17:22
jlvillalI put a link to it on the whiteboard under the gate status. The IP address one. It just started today17:22
dtantsurthanks jlvillal17:22
jlvillalSo it will take some time to build up history17:22
jlvillalThat's all from me17:22
dtantsurso do we agree that we'll make it voting the next week if everything is alright?17:23
jlvillal+1 from me.17:23
lucasagomes++17:23
rloo++, end of next week?17:23
dtantsurrloo, when people are around, I guess :)17:23
rloomaybe midweek.17:23
lucasagomesI would vote for mid :-)17:23
* jlvillal would vote for no later than Thursday17:23
lucasagomesyeah17:23
jlvillalDoes not want a Friday change :)17:23
lucasagomesmaking it vote on friday is scary heh17:23
TheJulia++ to not friday17:24
dtantsur#agreed Make the IPA functional tests job voting the next week, if we don't see problems with it17:24
dtantsurI think we can figure out the exact day outside of the meeting :)17:24
dtantsurmoving on?17:24
jlvillalYes please17:24
dtantsur#topic RFE review17:24
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dtantsurin this section we do a brief sanity check of a couple of RFEs and decide if they need a spec17:24
dtantsurI didn't prepare many in advance, but here are some:17:24
dtantsur#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1595625 Ability to run manual cleaning with automated clean steps17:25
openstackLaunchpad bug 1595625 in Ironic "[RFE] Ability to run manual cleaning with automated clean steps" [Wishlist,Confirmed]17:25
dtantsurgiving folks a couple of minutes to read the description and the comments17:25
dtantsuron one hand it's an easy change; on the other hand it's an API change and there is a contention already (see the comments)17:26
lucasagomesthis is just about running all steps if no steps is specified?17:26
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dtantsurlucasagomes, all "automated" steps17:26
rloolucasagomes: running all automated steps, in a manual clean.17:26
vdrokdevananda: the first patch does not contain new endpoints now, the one that contains does not add tempest tests, it's in the end of chain. Will add those17:27
lucasagomesautomated == priority > 0, right?17:27
rloolucasagomes: right.17:27
dtantsurlucasagomes, right17:27
lucasagomesseems alright to be17:27
dtantsurthanks vdrok, lets get back to in in the open discussion17:27
devanandavdrok: first patch adds new fields, which do not do anything until later patches17:27
dtantsurso, while a bit uncertain, I think this RFE could use a spec. wdyt?17:28
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devanandavdrok: I do not want to land a visible change in the API that doesn't _do_ anything, until we're very sure that all the subsequent changes (that enable that API) are going to land too17:28
rloodtantsur: i'm fine either way. as long as i get answers to my questions :)17:28
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dtantsurdevananda++ but lets postpone it until the open discussion, we'll get back to it, I promise ;)17:28
devanandadtantsur: sorry. just responding to vdrok.17:29
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rloodtantsur: if you think it needs a spec, then let's ask for a spec.17:29
TheJuliadtantsur: this seems like a minimal change to me, I don't think a spec is really necessary, but we may all look at code and change our minds.  I think this is a case where seeing some code, would make it very easy to decide which way17:29
dtantsurother opinions on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1595625 ? does everyone feels ok with it *without* a spec as long as rloo's comments are resolved?17:29
openstackLaunchpad bug 1595625 in Ironic "[RFE] Ability to run manual cleaning with automated clean steps" [Wishlist,Confirmed]17:29
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mat128dtantsur: I feel ok17:29
mat128jlvillal: We could say "Optionally run automated clean steps during manual cleaning"17:30
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dtantsurdo we need a format vote?17:30
jlvillalmat128, That makes it clearer to me.17:30
mat128https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/159562517:30
openstackLaunchpad bug 1595625 in Ironic "[RFE] Optionally run automated clean steps during manual cleaning" [Wishlist,Confirmed]17:30
mat128updated17:30
dtantsurthanks mat12817:31
rloodtantsur: it seems to me that if someone asks for a spec and has good reason for asking, then they should do a spec. not sure we need to vote on it?17:31
devanandathat change in the title clarifies the RFE a lot for me, thanks17:31
dtantsurI'm not sure, I'm fine with figuring out on the patch17:31
dtantsurit seems like we have a consensus. the last chance to object17:31
lucasagomesI think it's ok to just have the RFE, but I would like to see the authors answers for rloo's questions17:31
lucasagomesbefore approving it17:32
rloolucasagomes: yup17:32
dtantsur#agreed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1595625 does not need a spec, but the question in the comments have to be addressed17:32
openstackLaunchpad bug 1595625 in Ironic "[RFE] Optionally run automated clean steps during manual cleaning" [Wishlist,Confirmed]17:32
dtantsurmoving on17:32
dtantsur#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1595172 Add names for ports17:32
openstackLaunchpad bug 1595172 in Ironic "[RFE] Add names for ports" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sharat Sharma (sharat-sharma)17:32
dtantsurdevananda, I remember you had objections ^^^17:32
lucasagomesthat needs a spec17:32
devanandaheh, indeed17:33
lucasagomeswe already had problems with names of nodes colliding with subcontrollers and so on17:33
mat128dtantsur: the spec you were looking for is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295082/17:33
dtantsurit seems to me we had a spec...17:33
rloo++ to spec. i thought someone had already asked for that but don't remember.17:33
lucasagomesI also, fail to see the real use case for naming ports17:33
dtantsuraha!17:33
dtantsurthanks mat128, you're so fast today :)17:33
rloomat128 is *always* fast with the links!17:33
devanandathe only case for naming ports that I have seen was "I want to name the NICs so that I can search for them easily"17:34
mat128heh :blush:17:34
devanandawhich boiled down to someone not wanting to use "--node-port-list"17:34
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devanandaI haven't read that spec .... /me goes and reads it real quick17:34
rlooi dunno. we allow names for nodes, and even then, some folks didn't see the usefulness of it.17:34
devananda*in a while17:34
dtantsurI've marked the RFE in question as a duplicate, cause we already had an RFE matching the spec17:34
dtantsurrloo, I see *great* usefulness for node names; not so much for port names17:35
devanandawhat is the current rationale for wanting to name ports?17:35
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dtantsurdevananda, I don't believe there's strong one; anyway, lets bring it to the spec, you've already -1ed it, and I agree with you17:35
devanandacause this RFE looks like the same thing17:35
devananda"MAC address is too hard to remember, and I dont want to use --node-port-list"17:35
devanandak17:35
dtantsurmoving to the last one I've prepared17:36
lucasagomesyeah, seems very little compelling, +1 to keep the conversation in the spec17:36
dtantsur#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1594668 Allow creating a port providing node name instead of UUID17:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1594668 in Ironic "[RFE] Allow creating a port providing node name instead of UUID" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sharat Sharma (sharat-sharma)17:36
dtantsurI like it17:36
mat128notice it's by the same user17:36
mat128=)17:37
lucasagomesseems like a good UX17:37
dtantsurwell, things happen :)17:37
vdrokYeah, why not17:37
lucasagomesnow, I would like a spec due the impact on the CLI and API17:37
dtantsurimagine (s)he just started using ironic and got hit by a few problems17:37
thiagopI'd like to name a port after the port on the node (aka eth0, eth1...) to make it easy to my brain to work17:37
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dtantsurthiagop, that's a fair call, lets bring it to the spec17:37
rlooI'm not sure, I think we had some funky code that made it a bit difficult to implement this. Seems like someone tried to do it before but I don't recall what happened with it. But I'm fine with it.17:37
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mat128I don't have any strong objection to ^, but tats's previous spec17:37
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thiagopsure dtantsur17:37
dtantsurok, lucasagomes wants a spec and I don't see reasons to object :)17:38
lucasagomesrloo, yup, therefore a spec would be good17:38
dtantsurobjections?17:39
rlooi'm not sure a spec is needed. it is just one API change?17:39
dtantsurwe've screwed up adding names to nodes; I'm not sure a spec will help though17:39
rlooi think the devil (or whatever) is in the implementation details.17:39
lucasagomesrloo, and CLI, I wonder also if the author will propose doing POST v1/nodes/foo/ports17:39
lucasagomesand things like that17:40
devanandathiagop: you could use extra.dev_name='eth0' today to do that17:40
devanandathiagop: also, in many OS, it is non-deterministic. and it is certainly not consistent across OS's17:40
lucasagomesrloo, another confusing thing, the CLI for port-create supports --node and --node_uuid17:40
dtantsurrloo, do you object to having a spec?17:40
devanandaas far as "ironic port-create -a .... -n node_name" goes, I would definitely be in support of htat17:40
rloolucasagomes: so if they update the rfe to indicate exactly what the CLI/API are, would that be sufficient?17:40
lucasagomesbut both requires the UUID17:40
devanandathe current requirement to create ports with a node UUID, when most other commands accept a name is poor UX17:41
dtantsurdevananda, +100 I got hit by it when reviewing the OSC patches17:41
vdrokI've seen some rfe to add a description to ports, maybe it's just a matter of what is printed on port show17:41
rloodtantsur: oh, i don't object to having a spec if lucasagomes wants it.17:41
devanandait's easy enough to work around, but I find it frustrating when I forget it17:41
dtantsurdevananda, yeah, the question is whether we want a spec for it17:41
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dtantsurI think we all agree that's a sane call17:41
dtantsur(to have this feature)17:41
vdrokErr, port list17:41
devanandadtantsur: we could do port-create with node name entirely in the client even. no REST API changes17:42
rloovdrok: that rfe you mentioned, was associated with the code to have port names... that we just discussed above.17:42
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dtantsurdevananda, but should we? all our API support names17:42
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devanandaright - we could do that too17:42
devanandaif we change the REST API, I would like a spec17:42
vdrokrloo: huh, I'm from phone, so might have missed things :)17:42
rloovdrok: no worries :)17:43
dtantsurok, we can't agree on it for some time, I think it's a good reason to have a spec, right? :)17:43
rloook, devananda and lucasagomes want a spec, so lets ask for it.17:43
devanandafwiw, if someone just wanted to make a UX improvement to the CLI, I would be fine without a spec17:43
lucasagomesdoesn't need to be a big one, but it's mostly about user experience and involves the client and API17:43
lucasagomesso I tend to think we need a spec for it17:43
devananda(not suggesting that, just clarifying the cases where I do or do not want a spec)17:43
dtantsur#agreed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1594668 will need a short spec17:43
openstackLaunchpad bug 1594668 in Ironic "[RFE] Allow creating a port providing node name instead of UUID" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Sharat Sharma (sharat-sharma)17:43
dtantsursorry, I just saw one more thing:17:44
dtantsur#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1585595 Handling SIGHUP on Ironic services17:44
openstackLaunchpad bug 1585595 in Ironic "[RFE] Handling SIGHUP on Ironic services" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Lucas Alvares Gomes (lucasagomes)17:44
dtantsurlucasagomes, yours one ^^^17:44
dtantsurI think we should Just Do It (tm). wdyt?17:44
lucasagomesoh, I started that because it was needed for the rolling release17:44
devanandaoooh17:44
lucasagomesit seems it's not needed anymore, but still17:44
lucasagomesit's a feature own it's own17:44
lucasagomesoslo.service already supports handling SIGHUP and oslo.config already supports marking options as "multable" that will be reloaded upon receiving that signal17:45
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devanandalucasagomes: do you have a list of the impplicitly mutable options? your RFE mentions debug - are there others?17:45
lucasagomesI just need to update my patch upstream... I don't think it needs a spec, but it's up to you guys17:45
rloolucasagomes: so someone needs to decide which configs are mutable?17:46
devanandalucasagomes: also, do you have a list of the ironic-specific options you'd want to reload on SIGHUP?17:46
vdrokSo we need to decide which do we allow to reload?17:46
vdrokHeh17:46
lucasagomesdevananda, probably there are, I've to go through the list of configurations and see what would make sense to be reloaded17:46
dtantsurvdrok, right now we decide: 1. whether it's a sane request; 2. whether it needs a spec17:46
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* devananda thinks more on this...17:46
dtantsurwe don't need to figure out all the details right now and here17:46
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devanandait's going to be confusing to operators if some options reload, and some do not, unless we very clearly indicate (or detect) this on reload17:47
vdrokIt's same but seems that there will be discussion around the list of options17:47
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vdrok*sane17:47
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rlooi am fine w/o a spec, but would like to see the list of mutable configs, and some sort of criteria as to which/why, for future configs.17:47
devanandalike - we should LOG.warning() if a config was changed which we can not re-initialize17:47
lucasagomesdevananda, yeah, I find it strange from oslo.config as well to have to explicitly mark which ones you want to reload17:47
dtantsurlucasagomes++ a user would expect everything to be reloaded17:48
rlooso it needs more work. a spec or not?17:48
dtantsurso, a spec?17:48
devanandaand how will we test this in the gate?17:48
lucasagomesbut I understand things weren't engineered to support reloading everything in the first place (e.g timeout passed to the periodic tasks at construction time)17:48
dtantsurok, I see enough questions to warrant a spec, lets not solve them all here17:48
rlooi think it needs a spec. given the questions brought up so far :)17:48
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lucasagomesdevananda, no clue17:48
devanandalucasagomes: wouldn't we recreate the threads/workers?17:48
dtantsuragreed?17:48
devanandadtantsur: ++17:48
rloodtantsur: agreed.17:48
lucasagomesdevananda, I don't think we should?17:49
dtantsur#agreed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1585595 will need a spec as there are enough unclear parts17:49
openstackLaunchpad bug 1585595 in Ironic "[RFE] Handling SIGHUP on Ironic services" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Lucas Alvares Gomes (lucasagomes)17:49
lucasagomesmy solution for that would be to have a function reference when getting the timeout in the periodic task (it's out of the scope of the spec)17:49
lucasagomese.g periodic(interval=func_ref)17:49
lucasagomesinstead of the value itself17:49
lucasagomesthat would allow us to reload it17:49
lucasagomesbut anyway, outside the scope of ironic/spec, should be an oslo thing17:49
dtantsurthanks folks, I'm ready to open the floor. lets discuss the details on the spec17:50
dtantsur#topic Open discussion17:50
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rloolet's get back to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206244/, vdrok, devananda?17:50
dtantsurvdrok, devananda, wanna discuss conditions of removing -2 (at least replacing with -1) from that network patch?17:50
devananda:)17:50
vdrokSo, re multitenancy, I can move first patch one further down the chain17:50
devanandaafaik, we were following the approach nova has repeatedly used with long feature patch chains17:51
vdrokAnd add tempest tests for API to the second one17:51
devanandawhich is that all non-API changes are landed first and iterated in -tree17:51
devanandaand then the REST API changes and all the things that depend on them are done in patches, reviewed, +2'd, etc17:51
dtantsurI fully support landing API the last17:51
rlooi think that makes sense. The problem was that the API patch was first in the chain.17:52
vdrokAh, yeah, seems possible too17:52
devanandawhen the whole chain is done (enough) and has tests (passing well enough, maybe not 100%) then the PTL removes the -2 at the head of the chain17:52
rlooso if vdrok can move the API changes to later in the chain... ?17:52
devanandaand we massage if needed to land it all pretty quickly17:52
vdrokIt's a leftover of the old chain17:52
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rloodevananda: or does it matter whether the API patch is at the front or end of the chain. Should the first patch be -2 until the entire feature is 'ready'?17:52
devanandayea - I'm fine with landing DB and RPC changes and the like. we already did some of those (months ago)17:52
vdrokdevananda: well, there is an experimental job on the very last patch17:53
devanandarloo: first API-affecting patch is -2'd until whole feature is ready17:53
vdrokI try to retrigger it every time17:53
devanandavdrok: perfect! I looked at the first patch and didn't see it. my bad17:53
vdrokBut I'm fine with adding tempest API tests to17:53
rloodevananda: ok, got it.17:53
dtantsurI'm +0 for -2ing the first *API* patch17:53
dtantsur-0 for -2ing the first patch touching internals (just to clarify, seems like nobody implies that)17:54
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devanandadtantsur: agreed, and that is what we did so far :)17:54
devanandaseveral internal patches already landed17:54
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vdrokDevananda it's complicated :) last one being https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296432/17:54
vdrokIt's not shown in related changes17:54
devanandavdrok: yea ... and there were many rebases and refactorings over the last few weeks, whicih, honestly, I didn't follow closely17:54
devanandavdrok: not shown? they should all have the same gerrit topic, no?17:55
dtantsurvdrok, why do you need ironicclient there?17:55
vdrokYeah, but they are not on top of each other17:55
vdrokThere is a depends on17:55
vdrokTopic is the same I think17:55
devanandadtantsur: I suspect that's for devstack, so it can define the new things17:55
vdrokdevananda: correct17:56
devanandavdrok: ah. I see17:56
dtantsurdevananda, vdrok, in inspector with temporary switch to CURL to avoid such situations17:56
dtantsurI know it does not sound cool.. but it does the job17:56
devanandathis is also what tempst API testing is good for17:56
thiagop2min warning17:57
devanandait does not rely on any python-*client libs17:57
dtantsurdevananda++ I don't get why we need to depend on ironiccleint17:57
vdrokWell, it's all already there, so if there is some serious rain I'd keep it with one temp patch :)17:57
dtantsuranyway, do we agree to use -2 only on the 1st API-touching patch?17:57
vdrok*reason17:57
devanandaalso, to note, the experimental job IS passing! :)17:57
devanandahttp://logs.openstack.org/32/296432/51/experimental/gate-tempest-dsvm-ironic-multitenant-network-nv/c0aefa1/17:57
dtantsur\o/17:57
vdrok++++ :)17:57
devanandadtantsur: WFM17:58
dtantsur2 minutes and I want to have actions items :)17:58
dtantsurso, lemme try17:58
devanandadtantsur: do we agree that I'll remove that -2 once everything after that patch is +2'd and ready to land?17:58
vdrokI'm OK with that17:58
dtantsur#action vdrok and others to move API-changing patches further to the end of the chain17:58
dtantsurright ^^^?17:59
vdrokYup17:59
dtantsur#action devananda will remove his -2 for the 1st API-changing patch as soon as the patches are +2ed and ready for land17:59
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dtantsurand we don't have time left :)17:59
NobodyCamThank you all .. and Great job running the meeting dtantsur!18:00
dtantsurthanks all!18:00
dtantsur#endmeeting ironic18:00
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vdrokThanks all and good night again ;)18:00
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-06-27-17.00.html18:00
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-06-27-17.00.txt18:00
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devanandagood meeting, folks! see you next time18:00
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flwang1#startmeeting zaqar18:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jun 27 18:01:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is flwang1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'zaqar'18:01
flwang1anybody around?18:01
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vkmc__o/18:05
flwang1oh my god18:05
flwang1i'm thinking if i should cancel this meeting, again18:06
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flwang1last week, no one show up18:06
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vkmc__Is just the two of us?18:06
flwang1vkmc__: i guess so18:06
flwang1what's your time now?18:06
vkmc__3.06pm18:06
flwang1ok, i just realized it's a good time for most of you guys, but not me :)18:07
flwang1it's 6 am18:07
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vkmc__Maybe we should change the time... most contributors are based in Asia, right?18:07
vkmc__Oh not good18:07
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flwang1i'm hesitating to do that again, maybe next cycle, depends on the contributors18:07
vkmc__That's fine18:08
vkmc__Agenda?18:08
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flwang1https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zaqar-meeting-agenda18:09
flwang1here is the agenda18:09
flwang1now we're always using the etherpad to track the agenda18:09
flwang1it's handy i think18:09
flwang1than the wiki page18:09
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flwang1we do have some good patches need to reviewed so that we can get them in milestone 218:10
vkmc__Yeah :-)18:10
vkmc__Easier to modify18:10
flwang1#link Install guide for ubuntu and suse https://review.openstack.org/33353618:10
flwang1the install guide is very important for zaqar18:11
flwang1vkmc__: in case you missed this http://www.openstack.org/software/project-navigator/18:11
flwang1now we have meet 3/8 maturity policies18:11
flwang1and after get the install guide done, we can meet another 118:12
flwang1and i also posted a patch to assert zaqar can support cold migration, then we will be able to meet 5/818:12
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flwang1that's a very good sign for us18:12
flwang1and another good thing is we can meet the diversity policy now18:13
vkmc__Yeah I remember seeing we have diversity now18:13
vkmc__That's really cool18:13
vkmc__Yeah18:13
vkmc__:-D18:13
flwang1eva-i has a done a great job for the install guide stuff18:13
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flwang1above patch i just added the support for ubuntu and suse18:14
flwang1to get a better coverage18:14
vkmc__Yay Eva!18:14
flwang1#link Trust notifer https://review.openstack.org/32952018:14
flwang1this is a fantastic patch from therve18:15
flwang1it's a really good notification driver, with that we can support almost all the openstack services as a subscrier18:16
vkmc__Great!18:16
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vkmc__Cool feat18:16
vkmc__I'll check it out18:17
flwang1pls review it18:17
flwang1#link Subscription confirmation https://review.openstack.org/31660118:17
vkmc__Is it being used for any use case in particular?18:17
flwang1oh, yes, for now, it can be used for mistral18:17
flwang1so that we can get notification and trigger a mistral workflow18:17
flwang1does that make sense?18:18
flwang1you can get more info from the spec18:19
flwang1though it's not titled as 'mistral notification driver'18:19
vkmc__It does yeah18:20
flwang1it can support almost all openstack services, that's why it's awesome18:20
flwang1any more question?18:20
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vkmc__Not right now18:23
vkmc__I'll review later today18:23
flwang1as for the subscription confirmation, its spec has been discussed very long time18:24
flwang1and now the code patch is in reviewing18:24
flwang1those are the patches i would like to highlight18:24
vkmc__K k18:25
flwang1besides, i would like to highlight our newton's goal again18:25
flwang1we will still focus on the docs, client and UI enhancement18:26
flwang1meanwhile we will also do new features if we have bandwidth18:26
flwang1so18:26
flwang11. install guide18:26
flwang12. api ref18:26
flwang13. deprecate v1.118:27
flwang14. subscription confirmation18:27
flwang15. trust notifier18:27
flwang16. dead letter queue18:27
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flwang1those are the tasks i would like to completed in N-2, at least N-318:28
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flwang1and basically, those are the stuff we want to deliver in Newton18:28
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flwang1#topic Support pre signed queue for zaqar client18:30
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vkmccool18:30
vkmcso we have18:30
vkmcN-218:30
flwang1i'm not sure if we can complete all of them in N-218:31
flwang1that needs heavily review18:31
vkmcJul 11-1518:31
vkmcyeah18:31
vkmcit's too close18:31
flwang1now we have 7 core reviewers18:31
flwang1we should be able to deliver more reviews than we have done18:32
vkmcyeah18:33
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flwang1anyway, i will work on those dirty stuff if nobody want to take it :D18:34
vkmcwhich stuff? the pre signed support?18:34
flwang1anything else? otherwise we will move to open discussion18:34
flwang1vkmc__: yep, since i really want it  :D18:35
vkmcsounds good :)18:35
vkmcok, nothing else for this18:36
flwang1#topic open discussion18:36
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flwang1summit is coming18:36
flwang1we need to submit some topics18:36
vkmcyeah :|18:36
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flwang1personally, i don't want to delivery another session just introduce what's zaqar18:37
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vkmcyeah, I think there are plenty of presentations on that18:37
flwang1i would like to see a session to tell people how to use zaqar to resolve their painpoints18:37
vkmcI was thinking more on giving a session with the latest integrations18:38
vkmcsay18:38
vkmcZaqar + Manila18:38
vkmcZaqar + TripleO18:38
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vkmcI wouldn't mind to research about the TripleO one18:38
flwang1Zaqar + Manila???18:38
vkmcsorry18:38
vkmcZaqar + Mistral18:38
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flwang1vkmc__: if you can propose a session about how zaqar+ tripleO works, it would be great18:39
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flwang1what i'm thinking about zaqar+ mistral is the autoscaling18:39
flwang1we have integrate with aodh18:39
vkmcsounds good18:39
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flwang1and i'm trying to do a demo/presentation about aodh + zaqar + mistral + heat   or aodh + zaqar + senlin for autoscaling18:40
vkmc:D18:40
vkmcw000t18:40
vkmcso much integration18:40
flwang1yep18:42
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flwang1vkmc: the dead line is 13 July, iirc18:43
flwang1so be quick18:43
vkmcyes it's July 1318:43
vkmccool18:43
flwang1vkmc: pls keep me in the loop if you need any help18:43
flwang1vkmc: you maybe interested in this patch https://review.openstack.org/31907018:44
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vkmcwill do, will share an etherpad link as soon as I start drafting the preso18:45
* vkmc clicks18:46
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flwang1vkmc: sound good18:46
flwang1ok, that's all what i want to discuss today18:48
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flwang1anything else?18:49
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flwang1thank you, vkmc18:56
flwang1#endmeeting18:56
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vkmcthanks flwang1!18:56
flwang1#endmeeting18:56
flwang1wow, it doesn't work18:56
flwang1ok, it's lazy18:57
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