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| njohnston | #startmeeting fwaas | 04:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 04:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is njohnston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fwaas' | 04:00 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 04:00 |
| njohnston | Hello everyone, happy ${localtime} to you. | 04:00 |
| njohnston | Welcome back SridarK! | 04:00 |
| njohnston | #chair SridarK xgerman | 04:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK njohnston xgerman | 04:00 |
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| SarathMekala | Hi all | 04:00 |
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| SridarK | njohnston: can u pls run the mtg - just landed and got back home | 04:00 |
| SridarK | njohnston: thx good to be back | 04:00 |
| njohnston | SridarK: Absolutely. | 04:00 |
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| SridarK | njohnston: thx | 04:01 |
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| njohnston | #topic Announcements | 04:01 |
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| mickeys | Hi | 04:01 |
| njohnston | So N-2 is out, we are now on the road to N-3! | 04:01 |
| njohnston | Time to really focus on landing functionality | 04:02 |
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| SridarK | yes and we have just enough time | 04:02 |
| SridarK | njohnston: +1 | 04:02 |
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| njohnston | #topic FWaaS v2 | 04:03 |
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| njohnston | So, let's start with SarathMekala - how has your progress been? | 04:03 |
| SarathMekala | I am working on the changes mentioned in the last meeting | 04:04 |
| SarathMekala | http://paste.openstack.org/compare/538765/526708/ | 04:04 |
| SarathMekala | basic constructs are getting generated | 04:04 |
| SarathMekala | need to streamline the flow.. right now its a bit broken | 04:04 |
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| njohnston | Very interesting. Good stuff. | 04:05 |
| njohnston | Anything you need as far as the streamlining/unbreaking the flow? | 04:06 |
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| SridarK | SarathMekala: would there be an easy way to do some testing with some UT's ? | 04:06 |
| njohnston | that the team can assist with> | 04:06 |
| njohnston | ? | 04:06 |
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| SarathMekala | the flow is not proper yet.. | 04:07 |
| SridarK | SarathMekala: ok | 04:07 |
| SarathMekala | once i fix it .. I will start a discussion on the UT cases | 04:07 |
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| SridarK | SarathMekala: sounds good - this is an area where we will need some good testing | 04:08 |
| njohnston | definitely | 04:08 |
| SarathMekala | chandan is on leave last week.. I was also down sick for a few days.. so could not make the progress I desired | 04:08 |
| SridarK | hopefully other pieces will start falling in to place so we can do some integration soon too | 04:08 |
| njohnston | yep | 04:08 |
| SridarK | SarathMekala: understood | 04:08 |
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| SarathMekala | hoping to make some progress this week | 04:09 |
| njohnston | Well, yushiro is out this week due to company functions... | 04:09 |
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| njohnston | padkrish: Were you able to make any progress this week? | 04:09 |
| padkrish | njohnston# yes, i have a patch sent out last week | 04:09 |
| padkrish | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342476/ | 04:10 |
| padkrish | ofcourse, it's a WIP | 04:10 |
| padkrish | added most of you as reviewers | 04:10 |
| padkrish | some stuffs in neutron notification drivers can be generalized.... but that patch may be in the scope of neutron | 04:11 |
| njohnston | Yep, I read through it, it's definitely a good start. Do you want to get anything done on it before we start reviewing, or should we start? | 04:11 |
| SridarK | padkrish: if we can manage without neutron changes that will be good | 04:12 |
| padkrish | feel free to start, if we are ok with the contents of the patch and approach, i can clean it up | 04:12 |
| SridarK | we can open a bug and refactor later on - is that possible ? | 04:12 |
| padkrish | sridar, sure...we can do that | 04:12 |
| padkrish | inspite of that, some resources still need to be defined in neutron | 04:12 |
| padkrish | those are the things, i need some suggestions with | 04:13 |
| SridarK | padkrish: ok - we can discuss this more | 04:13 |
| SridarK | padkrish: maybe we can have a discussion with njohnston: & mfranc213_ | 04:13 |
| padkrish | sridarK# i even had a prototype of the neutron patch | 04:14 |
| njohnston | padkrish perhaps we can work on this later this week. I would like to help | 04:14 |
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| padkrish | njohnston, sridarK# sure, let's talk this week | 04:14 |
| njohnston | #action padkrish to talk with SridarK njohnston mfranc213_ | 04:14 |
| padkrish | sounds good | 04:14 |
| njohnston | Any update from shwetaap? | 04:15 |
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| SridarK | njohnston: looks like she is not on, i will ping her in the morning | 04:15 |
| njohnston | OK, sounds good. | 04:15 |
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| SridarK | and on the db, plugin, will get patch revision out tomorrow | 04:16 |
| njohnston | SridarK: Excellent, looking forward to it! | 04:16 |
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| njohnston | Any other updates for FWaaS v2 stuff? | 04:16 |
| SridarK | last week was just too crazy and i could not really get on at all, glad to be back and need to close these out | 04:16 |
| njohnston | +1 | 04:16 |
| SridarK | njohnston: on the CLI we will discuss later in the week ? | 04:17 |
| SridarK | atleast we can have a plan before u go on PTO | 04:17 |
| njohnston | #topic CLI | 04:17 |
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| SridarK | ah ok :-) | 04:17 |
| njohnston | Thanks for that segue, SridarK :-) | 04:17 |
| SridarK | :-) | 04:17 |
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| njohnston | So in the Neutron team meeting earlier the status of subprojects transitioning to OSC (OpenStackClient) was discussed. | 04:17 |
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| njohnston | amotoki has a successful template that he used for VPNaaS that he said he would share with us. | 04:18 |
| njohnston | So I am hoping we can take that and use it for at least the base plugin integration capability. | 04:18 |
| SridarK | njohnston: that is great - hopefully will make life a bit easier | 04:19 |
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| njohnston | My question is this: from an API perspective, our position is that we are keeping both v1 and v2 alive at the same time. But I don't think we can support such an approach from the CLI perspective. I assume for an OSC integration we would move forward with v2 and disregard v1 CLI. Is that correct from your point of view? | 04:19 |
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| SridarK | njohnston: i think that sounds reasonable - off the top of my head | 04:20 |
| SridarK | njohnston: i think we need not allow v1 & v2 to be operational concurrently | 04:20 |
| njohnston | SridarK: Sounds good - and this is not the final word on the subject, should we find we need to revisit it | 04:21 |
| SridarK | njohnston: ok we can talk more on this too | 04:21 |
| njohnston | #topic L3 Agent Extensions | 04:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "L3 Agent Extensions (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:21 | |
| njohnston | So the first part of the l3 agent extension work, the extrapolation of the l2 agent extensions out, was merged today | 04:22 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/329701 | 04:22 |
| njohnston | So now the focus comes to the second part, which is the actual introduction of the l3 agent extension and manager | 04:22 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/339246/ | 04:22 |
| SridarK | njohnston: congrats - i am just catching up - great work | 04:23 |
| njohnston | Right now that is looking conceptually all right, but it needs additional tests | 04:23 |
| njohnston | I am working on a fullstack test where I set up a dummy l3 extension and register it, and then make sure that when I send router events that the extensions handle methods get called | 04:23 |
| njohnston | but that is complex, and will take a bit, so may be split into another change | 04:24 |
| SridarK | njohnston: perhaps we could sync offline - so i can get some context quickly after i take a first pass at the changeset | 04:24 |
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| njohnston | SridarK: Yes, definitely, let's set a time tomorrow | 04:24 |
| SridarK | njohnston: ok perfect - we can coordinate on IRC or email tomorrow - possibly in the afternoon | 04:25 |
| njohnston | So above and beyond that the last bit is creating the actual l3 agent extension for FWaaS, which I believe yushiro was working on IIRC | 04:25 |
| njohnston | SridarK: Great, just let me know. | 04:25 |
| SridarK | ok | 04:25 |
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| njohnston | #topic Virtual Sprint | 04:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Virtual Sprint (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:26 | |
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| njohnston | So per our discussion last meeting we had discussed doing a virtual sprint thursday and friday of this week | 04:26 |
| njohnston | I set up an etherpad for it: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas-virtual-sprint-2016-1 | 04:26 |
| njohnston | please drop in any topics you would like to discuss | 04:27 |
| SridarK | njohnston: +1 | 04:27 |
| SridarK | if we want to do a conference call type setting - i can take care of the logistics | 04:27 |
| njohnston | Also, I have no secret sauce as far as how best to communicate - videoconferencing or other options. If people have a preference, or something they would like to offer, please note it in the etherpad. | 04:27 |
| njohnston | Do we want to gather at any specific time on Thursday to kick it off? | 04:28 |
| SridarK | sounds good - i lean towards a video conference type setting to improve interaction - but we can go on consensus on the etherpad | 04:29 |
| SridarK | njohnston: lets decide on the etherpad, i just want to run thru email to make sure abt my calendar | 04:30 |
| njohnston | sounds prudent | 04:30 |
| njohnston | OK, please folks put your thoughts into the etherpad - that is the best way we can get the most out of this | 04:30 |
| SridarK | +1 | 04:30 |
| njohnston | #topic Open Discussion | 04:31 |
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| mickeys | I wanted to discuss an alternative implementation for L2 FWaaS v2: OVN | 04:31 |
| mickeys | We have been discussing the possibility of FWaaS on OVN internally in IBM. | 04:31 |
| mickeys | This made me realize that it is much simpler and much less work to add than the reference implementation. | 04:32 |
| mickeys | In OVN itself (OVS repository), we would need to add a second ACL pipeline stage. | 04:32 |
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| njohnston | mickeys: I had been wondering if it would be easier to do that. | 04:32 |
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| mickeys | None of the IBM people available for this work other than me know anything about OVN, so I would probably have to generate that patch. I should be able to get to it next week. | 04:32 |
| mickeys | The part I have not thought about, and where most of the work is, is on the networking-ovn side. | 04:33 |
| * njohnston is very interested to see that | 04:33 | |
| mickeys | Not sure about modularity, how to set up the relationship between networking-ovn and fwaas | 04:33 |
| mickeys | Most of the security groups code should be reusable. It transforms security groups into address sets and ACLs. The ACL model already supports deny and priority. | 04:33 |
| SridarK | mickeys: that was something i was wondering - if it is easy to switch over to ovn | 04:33 |
| SridarK | mickeys: hopefully we can ride on the SG work | 04:34 |
| mickeys | Reusability is much higher. Once you have a separate pipeline stage, the code is largely reusable. None of this interleaving chains that you have to deal with in iptables in order to get both features to play. | 04:34 |
| njohnston | I like that | 04:34 |
| mickeys | I have to convince the OVN leads that a second ACL pipeline stage is a good idea. | 04:34 |
| SridarK | mickeys: yes will be cleaner | 04:34 |
| SridarK | mickeys: are there some scale impacts or differences ? | 04:35 |
| mickeys | They like to consider ideas with code. So I have to write the patch first. | 04:35 |
| mickeys | We have found that scale is much better, since it avoids rabbitmq issues and such | 04:35 |
| SridarK | mickeys: ok | 04:35 |
| njohnston | mickeys: Do you think this stands a shot at making it in Newton? | 04:36 |
| mickeys | However, there are some issues around address sets/groups of addresses. | 04:36 |
| mickeys | For NB and SB database, this just made it in, which is good. | 04:36 |
| mickeys | However, in the data plane they are still expanding to separate rules per IP address. | 04:36 |
| mickeys | However, there is cacheing magic in OVS. I have no idea how much that helps performance. | 04:36 |
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| mickeys | I think there is a chance at Newton. Not sure about resource issues. Interfacing with networking-ovn plugin is a different architecture than the reference implementation. | 04:37 |
| mickeys | The OVS OVN part should be easy in the Newton timeframe, as long as they accept the basic concept. | 04:37 |
| SridarK | So just to be clear we will continue with the iptables work that mickeys, chandanc and SarathMekala have been going thru, and push this as an alternate approach | 04:38 |
| njohnston | always good to have a backup plan | 04:38 |
| mickeys | That is probably the safer way to go | 04:38 |
| SarathMekala | sounds good | 04:38 |
| njohnston | sounds good | 04:38 |
| SridarK | ok sounds good, thanks mickeys for bringing this up | 04:39 |
| mickeys | The question is who can drive integration with networking-ovn? No chance unless someone takes that up. | 04:39 |
| mickeys | Let me ask what the resource picture looks like within IBM, but given the short time frame I am skeptical. | 04:39 |
| njohnston | OK, administrative note: I will be on PTO 7/25 to 7/30 and then again 8/3 to 8/5, so I will miss the next 2 meetings. | 04:40 |
| SridarK | mickeys: ok i guess IBM and Redhat are the major players and resources there would be the best | 04:40 |
| njohnston | SridarK: will you be able to lead them? | 04:40 |
| SridarK | njohnston: yes now i am back | 04:40 |
| njohnston | SridarK: excellent, thanks! | 04:40 |
| SridarK | and will be around | 04:40 |
| mickeys | I will also miss the next two meetings, just interruptions on those evenings. I will be around in general, though rather busy with other things. | 04:40 |
| SridarK | njohnston: thx for covering the last 2 weeks | 04:40 |
| njohnston | Also, have you heard anything from the driver teams on their spinout? | 04:41 |
| njohnston | varmour, vyatta, and cisco are what I see in tree | 04:42 |
| SridarK | njohnston: yes - i will close on this - this week | 04:42 |
| njohnston | SridarK: thanks | 04:43 |
| njohnston | Does anyone have anything else they would like to bring up? | 04:43 |
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| SridarK | I have nothing to discuss | 04:44 |
| njohnston | In closing, let me say I am looking forward to seeing you all soon on the virtual sprint later this week! Please keep an eye on that etherpad. | 04:44 |
| SridarK | +1 | 04:45 |
| njohnston | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas-virtual-sprint-2016-1 | 04:45 |
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| njohnston | And with that, I bid you a lovely day! | 04:45 |
| njohnston | #endmeeting | 04:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 04:45:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-07-20-04.00.html | 04:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-07-20-04.00.txt | 04:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-07-20-04.00.log.html | 04:45 |
| SridarK | bye all | 04:45 |
| padkrish | bye | 04:45 |
| mickeys | bye | 04:46 |
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| soichi | hi | 05:32 |
| anil_rao | #startmeeting taas | 05:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 05:33:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anil_rao. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:33 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:33 |
| anil_rao | Hi | 05:33 |
| soichi | hi | 05:33 |
| kaz | hi | 05:33 |
| anil_rao | Let's get started | 05:33 |
| anil_rao | #topic Performance measurement | 05:33 |
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| anil_rao | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/attachments/20160518/724a5f6d/attachment-0001.pdf | 05:34 |
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| kaz | we measured a performance between VMs on a single host. | 05:35 |
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| kaz | Please see page 2 of attached PDF file | 05:36 |
| anil_rao | kaz: Sure. | 05:36 |
| yamamoto | hi | 05:36 |
| anil_rao | Hi | 05:36 |
| kaz | The left graph shows received packets per second | 05:37 |
| kaz | and the right graph shows the throughput | 05:37 |
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| kaz | Left graph shows that as compared with the case when the port | 05:38 |
| kaz | mirroring is disabled, the value of packets per seconds is reduced | 05:38 |
| kaz | when it is enabled. | 05:39 |
| kaz | How do you think? | 05:39 |
| anil_rao | I have some comments ... Can we discuss? | 05:39 |
| kaz | sure | 05:39 |
| anil_rao | I am curious...how were you mesuring the PPS and througput in the Monitor VM? | 05:40 |
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| kaz | By using our analystic tool. | 05:41 |
| kaz | Throuput was calculated by using pps. | 05:42 |
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| anil_rao | OK. And I am assuming you are doing the same for the Dst VM (or is that via iperf itself)? | 05:42 |
| yamamoto | our analystic tool? | 05:42 |
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| soichi | yamamoto: developed at Fujitsu Lab. | 05:43 |
| yamamoto | how the tool measures pps? | 05:43 |
| kaz | anl_rao: yes | 05:44 |
| soichi | yamamoto: i guess just counting number of recieved packts | 05:45 |
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| anil_rao | Looking at the left graph and its first data point, | 05:45 |
| anil_rao | it appears that without monitoring, PPS is around 120k. | 05:46 |
| kaz | anil_rao: The PPS on Dst VM was measured by using our tool | 05:46 |
| anil_rao | I am guessing that is the highest that iperf was able to push between Src and Dst | 05:46 |
| kaz | anil_rao: I think so. | 05:47 |
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| anil_rao | kaz: You all are guessing that this limit of 70k PPS is the result of vhost-net getting pegged at 100% CPU utilization | 05:49 |
| kaz | I think so | 05:50 |
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| anil_rao | Did you happen to notice vhost-net CPU usage when mirroring was disabled. It would be nice to know if the non-mirroring curve is the result of iperf or vhost-net | 05:51 |
| yamamoto | does the vhost thread eats 100% regardless of monitoring? | 05:51 |
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| kaz | yamamto: yes | 05:52 |
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| soichi | we are planning to measure under the environment more VMs are deployed (on a same host) and increase the number of tap_flow. | 05:55 |
| anil_rao | The throughput for the non-mirror case also seems very low. | 05:55 |
| anil_rao | If both the source and destination VMs are on the same host, their traffic should be restricted to just br-int. | 05:57 |
| kaz | We will check it again | 05:57 |
| anil_rao | A max of 900 bps for nearly 1500 byte packets seems very low. | 05:58 |
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| kaz | sorry, the unit of Throuput is Mbps | 05:59 |
| anil_rao | Yes, that is what I had guessed. :-) | 05:59 |
| kaz | thank you | 06:00 |
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| anil_rao | So if we are see around 900 Mbps without mirroring and around 800 Mbps with mirroing it doesn't look too bad. | 06:00 |
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| anil_rao | I am still curious why the PPS line with mirroring is so flat. | 06:01 |
| anil_rao | Definitely looks like we have hit some upper bound ... perhaps maxed out the cpu. | 06:02 |
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| anil_rao | since this is single host experiment, when mirroring it turned on we are just incurring the cost of packet duplication for the most part. Tunneling cost is absent. | 06:03 |
| soichi | yes | 06:04 |
| anil_rao | We had a slight delay in our office. I am going to get the new hardware only later this week. I will set it up and try some experiments from my side. | 06:04 |
| anil_rao | I'll get back with both single node and multi-node experiments. | 06:04 |
| anil_rao | Sorry for the delay. | 06:05 |
| soichi | okay, thank you | 06:05 |
| soichi | no problem | 06:05 |
| anil_rao | I'll also look more into vhost-net. This has me really interested now. | 06:05 |
| anil_rao | Thanks for the experiments and data. | 06:06 |
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| anil_rao | Any other thoughts, otherwise we can move to the next topic. | 06:07 |
| soichi | let's move to the next topic | 06:07 |
| kaz | sure | 06:08 |
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| anil_rao | #topic Design of traffic isolation by using flow based tunneling | 06:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design of traffic isolation by using flow based tunneling (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:08 | |
| anil_rao | #link Media:flow_based_tunneling-20160720-r1.png | 06:08 |
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| kaz | We are designing to isolate production and mirror traffiics in the underla network by using flow based tunneling | 06:09 |
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| soichi | The overview is shown on the slide 1. | 06:11 |
| soichi | we need to configure OVS to use flow based tunneling as shown in the slide 2. | 06:12 |
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| soichi | Kaz found that he need to modify not only TaaS but also Neutron as shown on the slide 4. | 06:13 |
| anil_rao | Is slide 3 for production traffic or mirrored traffic? | 06:14 |
| soichi | both | 06:15 |
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| soichi | same algorithm for both production and mirror traffics | 06:16 |
| yamamoto | why do you use local_ip="0"? | 06:16 |
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| kaz | I reffered networking-ofanget source code. | 06:17 |
| kaz | ofanget->ofagent | 06:17 |
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| yamamoto | i vaguely remember it was necessary for the ovs version available at that time. is it still necessary? | 06:18 |
| kaz | Sorry, i did not check it | 06:19 |
| yamamoto | i guess it's ok as far as it works though. | 06:19 |
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| soichi | Slide 6 shows how to discover remote IP for mirror traffic. | 06:21 |
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| soichi | Kaz proposes a suffix ":taas" to identify IP address | 06:23 |
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| yamamoto | soichi: it sounds a bit hack to me | 06:25 |
| anil_rao | The changes to the flows, both Neutron and TaaS, are quite minimal. I am guessing that the routing tables on the respective hosts will ensure that tunnel traffic gets out via the right NICs (based on their IP addresses). | 06:26 |
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| soichi | We have only 2 minutes, so let's contine discussion offline and/or next week IRC | 06:29 |
| anil_rao | soichi: Sure. Let me examine this some more and I'll provide some comments. | 06:29 |
| anil_rao | Thanks for sharing the proposal. It is quite interesting. | 06:30 |
| soichi | yes, please. thank you | 06:30 |
| anil_rao | We are out of time. We'll continue next week folks. | 06:30 |
| anil_rao | #endmeeting | 06:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops_guide)" | 06:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 06:30:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-07-20-05.33.html | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-07-20-05.33.txt | 06:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-07-20-05.33.log.html | 06:30 |
| soichi | bye | 06:30 |
| kaz | thanks, bye | 06:30 |
| anil_rao | bye | 06:30 |
| yamamoto | bye | 06:31 |
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| markvoelker | #startmeeting defcore | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 16:00:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markvoelker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:00 |
| eglute | o/ | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | #chair eglute | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute markvoelker | 16:01 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 16:01 |
| gema | o/ | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | #chair hogepodge | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker | 16:01 |
| luzC | o/ | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreLunar.12 today's agenda | 16:01 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | Ok, let's jump in.... | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | #topic DefCore Summer 2016 Sprint | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "DefCore Summer 2016 Sprint (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:02 | |
| hogepodge | I have Catherine down for some items, but she is out today | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreSummer2016Sprint Midcycle planning pad | 16:02 |
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| markvoelker | I think we're mostly in good shape here. The additional attributes patch landed. | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge mentioned yesterday that the Foundation folks may want to join us Wednesday | 16:03 |
| hogepodge | That's the plan | 16:03 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge I think you said they'd work the Foundation update into the sessions you're running Wednesday? | 16:04 |
| hogepodge | yeah | 16:04 |
| markvoelker | Ok, nifty...that makes scheduling easier. =) | 16:04 |
| eglute | hogepodge can you add whoever will be attending to the list on etherpad? so I can submit the names | 16:04 |
| * markvoelker sees hogepodge doing that now | 16:05 | |
| eglute | thank you! | 16:05 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, anything else we need to discuss today about the midcycle? | 16:06 |
| eglute | i will send out dinner options doodle | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | #action eglute will send out doodle poll for dinner | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | thanks eglute | 16:07 |
| eglute | if there is a restaurant you would like to see on the list, let me know! | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | Ok then, moving right along... | 16:07 |
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| markvoelker | #topic Test Spec Proposal | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Test Spec Proposal (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:07 | |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317531/ Test Spec Proposal | 16:08 |
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| gema | no updates, I have to put all the points in a few slides with the open questions so that we can have a productive discussion at the midcycle | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | Excellent, thanks gema | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | #info Test Spec work session is currently scheduled for 9am Tuesday | 16:08 |
| Rockyg | dang. still haven't gotten to it. kep getting dragged onto other not openstack stuff | 16:09 |
| eglute | thank you gema | 16:09 |
| gema | yw | 16:09 |
| eglute | i was reading through it, looks really good | 16:09 |
| gema | Rockyg: get going, I need your stuff in there also | 16:09 |
| Rockyg | yup. also gotta book trip. | 16:09 |
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| Rockyg | that's how bad it is. | 16:09 |
| markvoelker | Ok, anything else on the test spec today? | 16:10 |
| markvoelker | #topic Tests with admin credentials update | 16:10 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Tests with admin credentials update (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:10 | |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299491/ | 16:10 |
| markvoelker | I finally got some feedback on the Tempest patch for removing unnecessary admin credentials this week | 16:11 |
| markvoelker | Not terribly specific, but I'lll iterate on it again this week | 16:11 |
| eglute | luzC says they still require admin? | 16:11 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: the snat tests do (which is like two tests I think) | 16:12 |
| luzC | not all, but some of them with the patch will be moved to an admin folder | 16:12 |
| markvoelker | Those genuinely need admin | 16:12 |
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| luzC | yes... the guideline will still need some adjustments | 16:13 |
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| markvoelker | So basically (assuming the tempest patch lands), https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299491/ will need a new patchset | 16:13 |
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| markvoelker | Which flags the snat tests in 2016.01 (informational since they're not required in that Guideline) | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | And drops them from next | 16:14 |
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| markvoelker | Make sense? | 16:14 |
| eglute | yup | 16:14 |
| luzC | yes | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | I'm happy to iterate on that, but don't want to steal Catherine's thunder and there's no particular rush just yet.=) | 16:15 |
| eglute | :) | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | In the meantime I'll focus on the tempest patch some more | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | As an FYI, I'll be out of the office next week so I'll be making every effort to land a new patchset on that one this week | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | Feel free to add yourself to the review so you can check it out once I get something posted | 16:16 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | (or critique the existing patch) | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | Anything else on this today? | 16:16 |
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| markvoelker | Moving on then | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | #topic Interop challenge posted by IBM at Austin Summit update | 16:17 |
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| markvoelker | Catherine's not here to speak to this, but I'll summarize | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/interop-challenge-kickoff-meeting | 16:18 |
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| markvoelker | Basically, a bunch of companies are going to collaborate on an interoperability challenge | 16:18 |
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| markvoelker | THe goal is to run some real workloads (in the form of Heat templates, terraform configs, ansible plays, etc) on several vendor products | 16:19 |
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| markvoelker | And be able to report on the findings in Barcelona | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | THis is complimentary to the work we do on Guidelines in that we tend to focus on the API layer while this will focus on the workload mobility layer | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | IF your company is interested, add your contacts to that etherpad | 16:20 |
| markvoelker | They'll be using the DefCore mailing list (and/or IRC channel) to communicate, so expect to see some messages | 16:20 |
| markvoelker | Messages to the ML will be tagged [interop-challenge] | 16:20 |
| markvoelker | (hopefully =p) | 16:20 |
| markvoelker | Right now they're looking for candidate workloads, so feel free to suggest some | 16:21 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, I think that's a decent summary...if you need more info, you might check out this slide deck: | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | #link https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9udXv_O5_TsaktrSm5uNlAtVFZZWTZkck8xZ0ItcEprMlBj Interop Challenge Intro Deck | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | Any questions? Or stuff I missed, for those of you that were there for the kickoff? | 16:22 |
| eglute | they want code contributions! | 16:22 |
| eglute | thanks for the summary markvoelker | 16:23 |
| Rockyg | good summary, markvoelker | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | OK then, moving right along... | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | #topic Flag/drop test_create_update_port_with_second_ip | 16:23 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343122/ Flag/drop test_create_update_port_with_second_ip | 16:24 |
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| markvoelker | I spent some time last week reviewing next.json and going over some results from my own labs and the community results in refstack to see how things were shaping upo | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | I identified one test that looks like it's not actually a good candidate for us and put up a patch to remove it | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | Basically the test tries to assign multiple fixed IP's to a single Neutron port...which not all backends support | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | Some clouds also limit fixed IP's per port in neutron.conf to 1 for security reasons (e.g. spoofguard) | 16:25 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker, looks good to me. if there are no other comments, i think it is ready to merge. | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | Thanks eglute. | 16:26 |
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| markvoelker | Just FYI, I'm still picking through a few others that seemed to cause problems for some clouds, but so far they look mostly incidental | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | Any questions/comments on this one? | 16:27 |
| eglute | hogepodge just merged it :) | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | Ok then, that sounds like a clear signal to move to the next agenda item. =) Thanks hogepodge | 16:28 |
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| markvoelker | #topic Image sharing tests | 16:28 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338609/1 | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | Catherine's not here today, but the crux of the issue here is basically that we've tried to steer clear of tests that end users may have a hard time running themselves so they can verify functionality | 16:29 |
| markvoelker | There are a couple of tests relating to image sharing that require two sets of credentials | 16:29 |
| gema | this was also discussed on the test spec, that we could have a set of tests that are business , and a set of tests that are for end users | 16:30 |
| gema | and if someone wants to get certified has to pass both | 16:30 |
| gema | else users can verify the ones that do not require multitenant | 16:30 |
| gema | or multiuser | 16:30 |
| gema | economy tests and business tests | 16:30 |
| markvoelker | gema: exactly what I was about to point to. =) My thought was to take this up at the midcycle during the test spec discussion. | 16:30 |
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| gema | yep, sounds good, it's on my list of issues | 16:31 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 16:31 |
| markvoelker | We have time yet to discuss and either remove them or put them back in advisory for one more cycle if we need more time to flesh that out | 16:31 |
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| markvoelker | There are some other capabilities that might fall into a similar bucket (volume transfer comes to mind) so I don't think it's an isolated case | 16:32 |
| gema | yep | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | OK, any further discussion right now on this issue? | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | #topic Longevity of aliases | 16:33 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341175/ Add alias for rebuild_deleted_server test | 16:34 |
| markvoelker | Basically Catherine brought up the question of how long we should persist aliases during discussion of a patch | 16:34 |
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| markvoelker | The patch in question here adds an alias to next.json that we already had in the previous two guidelines | 16:34 |
| markvoelker | (but never added to next) | 16:34 |
| markvoelker | If you use a modern Tempest, you shouldn't actually need it...but if you're looking at older results that were run on an older tempest, you'll see RefStack indicating failures | 16:35 |
| hogepodge | I'm fine with always having them around | 16:35 |
| markvoelker | So I'm of a mind that the cost of keeping aliases around is fairly trivial, and it's useful. | 16:35 |
| eglute | +1 | 16:35 |
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| markvoelker | Seems like that's generally palletable to folks. I'm going to try to scan through this week and find any other aliases we might be missing in next, but I think we've got the majority | 16:36 |
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| markvoelker | (based on looking over some existing community results) | 16:36 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker | 16:37 |
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| markvoelker | Anything further on this topic? Ready to move on? | 16:37 |
| markvoelker | #topic Session submissions for Barcelona | 16:38 |
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| markvoelker | Several of you submitted session ideas for Barcelona that are of interest to DefCore/interoperability. | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | Thanks! | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | I've added the list from last week into the etherpad, so keep an eye out for those when voting takes place | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | Feel free to add any we're missing | 16:39 |
| * markvoelker glances at clock and wonders if we might actually get through the agenda this week.....! | 16:39 | |
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| markvoelker | Anything else on summit talks? | 16:40 |
| eglute | hogepodge any word on working group sessions? | 16:40 |
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| hogepodge | eglute: not yet, I can check in. we need to be careful about how we get them, since working groups are generally managed by the UC, but we're a board group | 16:40 |
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| markvoelker | thanks hogepodge | 16:41 |
| eglute | ok, we just need some time, preferably at least 2 hours | 16:42 |
| eglute | thanks hogepodge | 16:42 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, moving on | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | #topic Get / tests | 16:42 |
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| markvoelker | Not much to report here...we landed one for Neutron and there's an in-tree functional test for glance | 16:43 |
| markvoelker | Per the TC resolution we either need a new tempest test or to move the existing one | 16:44 |
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| markvoelker | I'll see if I can follow-up with the glance folks on that, but no real rush since that capability wasn't proposed for 2016.08 anyway | 16:45 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | Ok, last item for the day: | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | #topic Rename working group | 16:46 |
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| markvoelker | A while ago I put up an RFC patch to illustrate the sorts of things we'll need to update if we change the name of the group per the Board's direction | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327086/ RFC patch on renaming | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | It's been noted that we may want to avoid the term "Work Group" since WG's are generally the purview of the UC nowadays | 16:47 |
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| hogepodge | Work Committee may be a way to indicate that we're a board thing, although it's a bit convoluted of a name | 16:48 |
| eglute | it is | 16:48 |
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| eglute | that was the point of renaming to WG, to indicate that we are not strictly board committee | 16:49 |
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| Rockyg | interop board? | 16:49 |
| Rockyg | but that might suggest lcted, so not grat | 16:49 |
| eglute | we could, of course, choose to leave it as is. | 16:49 |
| eglute | interoperability committee? | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | I'd suggest folks leave their ideas in the gerrit review so we can centralize the discussion. | 16:50 |
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| eglute | ok! | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | We can also use some fudge time to talk about it in San Antonio | 16:51 |
| eglute | +1 | 16:51 |
| luzC | +1 | 16:51 |
| Rockyg | over lunch? | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | (and the Foundation folks will be there too, and may have some opinions to add) | 16:51 |
| gema | yeah, like that's gonna cut it | 16:51 |
| gema | x) | 16:51 |
| gema | naming things is tough | 16:51 |
| * markvoelker would make the obligatory joke about the two hard problems in computer science again, but feels he's beaten that horse to death a few times now | 16:52 | |
| gema | :) | 16:52 |
| gema | markvoelker: this discussion will be EXP | 16:52 |
| eglute | :D | 16:53 |
| markvoelker | Ok gang, thanks for taking time away from your quest to catch all the Pokemon today for the meeting. =) Anything else before we close? | 16:53 |
| markvoelker | Ok, in that case... | 16:54 |
| markvoelker | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 16:54:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-07-20-16.00.html | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-07-20-16.00.txt | 16:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-07-20-16.00.log.html | 16:54 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker! | 16:54 |
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| Rockyg | yhanks! | 16:55 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 20:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 20:00 |
| jlopezgu | o/ | 20:00 |
| Liuqing | o/ | 20:00 |
| yohoffman | \o | 20:00 |
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| ediardo | o/ | 20:01 |
| ediardo | Hi | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | Hey everyone | 20:01 |
| Liuqing | awake just now | 20:01 |
| Liuqing | hello | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | Liuqing: I was wondering if you ever slept! | 20:02 |
| Liuqing | sleep about 4h | 20:02 |
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| robcresswell | We had the midcycle last week, which was great; I'll be sending out a summary email tomorrow talking about some of the discussion points and decisions made | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | If anyone is managing plugins btw, please check the mailer as there's a discussion ongoing that I would like to get opinions on. | 20:03 |
| lcastell | o/ | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | We have an empty agenda today it seems. | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | Just want to remind people that anyone can add agenda items at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 20:03 |
| Liuqing | yep | 20:04 |
| lcastell | noted | 20:04 |
| ediardo | I always get auth failed :( (wiki) | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | Blueprints for discussion, difficult / controversial patches, general discussion, all welcome. | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | ediardo: Ping me or another core and we'll add something if there is difficulty with auth | 20:05 |
| ediardo | sure, ty! | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | No worries | 20:05 |
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| robcresswell | A reminder about: http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 20:06 |
| Liuqing | tyr hi | 20:06 |
| tyr | o/ | 20:06 |
| bpokorny | o/ | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | Horizon Feature Freeze is August 25th at the latest | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | So 5 weeks. Please ensure new features are reaching maturity, blueprints are approved etc | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | The gate always slows down as we approach deadline, so don't procrastinate. | 20:07 |
| Liuqing | not easy to release more angular panels/tables in 5weeks. | 20:07 |
| lcastell | the Intel folks need some reviews on some of the filtering patches :) | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | Due to the number of plugins and consumers of Horizon upstream now, FFEs will be stricter than before :) | 20:08 |
| lcastell | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/server-side-filtering | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | lcastell: Yep, I'm trying to get schema form testing done so I can get back to reviews | 20:08 |
| Liuqing | tyr, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329700/ , not very clear how it works | 20:08 |
| ediardo | Yes, feedback is becoming critical now because we are starting to deal with core classes | 20:09 |
| lcastell | ty, robcresswell | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | Anyway, since there is an empty agenda, we can just have open discussion | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 20:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:09 | |
| bpokorny | Just an update on the Glance v2 patch. | 20:09 |
| bpokorny | I found an issue today with admin users. | 20:10 |
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| bpokorny | As far as I can tell, if you're an admin with Glance v2 and request an image list, the list contains all the images in the cloud. | 20:10 |
| bpokorny | So it screws up the "Shared with Project" listing in Horizon. | 20:11 |
| bpokorny | All images that aren't public or owned by the tenant end up in "Shared with Project" for admins. | 20:11 |
| ediardo | right | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | Can we change the toggles if you're an admin? | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | or change the toggles full stop, if they no longer fit glances model | 20:12 |
| Liuqing | hide the button while we use glance v2? | 20:12 |
| bpokorny | Glance v1 had an option for admins to request that they don't get all images in the cloud. | 20:12 |
| Liuqing | bpokorny, yep glance v2 miss that feature or by default? | 20:13 |
| bpokorny | I think it's a missed feature. | 20:13 |
| bpokorny | I'll ask them if they have some workaround for it. | 20:13 |
| bpokorny | robcresswell: Yeah, I might be able to change the toggles if it's an admin. | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | If they don't, then I'd say same as before; just use what the API gives us | 20:14 |
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| robcresswell | Thanks for the update and your work on that though | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | It sounds like "fun" :) | 20:15 |
| bpokorny | np | 20:15 |
| bpokorny | Keeps things interesting :) | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | FYI https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332745/ is how I'd like us to build forms and workflows going forward. I haven't finished writing tests yet, but its functionally where I want it I believe | 20:16 |
| bpokorny | That's all I had on that topic. | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | Will be extending for registration etc in the future, but the form processing and field handling will stay the same | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | (this is all in angular) | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | If people are interested, please comment | 20:17 |
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| tyr | I've been using it to write Designate v2. It is very useful...although the schema form documentation is a bit obtuse | 20:18 |
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| Liuqing | tyr, have finished Designate v2? | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | tyr: how so? | 20:18 |
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| tyr | as I'm trying to work with "condition" or "array", it has taken me awhile to get the form JSON "just so" to get a working form. | 20:19 |
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| tsufiev | o/ | 20:20 |
| tyr | For simple forms it is pretty good, and I really like the standardization...but there are always special snowflakes cases. | 20:20 |
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| robcresswell | Hmm, okay. I had some issues with conditional tabs, I actually built that in our template decorator | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | But most of the basic conditionals I found okay | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: o/ | 20:20 |
| matt-borland | o/ everybody | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | tyr: Thanks for the comments though. If there are more specifics, please leave them inline or ping me | 20:21 |
| tyr | I was struggling because of the way "form" and "model" are presented on the scope of my modal. | 20:21 |
| jlopezgu | tsufiev, matt-borland: o/ | 20:21 |
| tyr | Yep, trying to add specifics into your patch as I find them | 20:21 |
| Liuqing | tsufiev, matt-borland HI | 20:21 |
| tyr | robcresswell: UX review of the form elements would be a very nice step | 20:22 |
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| tyr | (more to bring them up to speed on where we are headed) | 20:22 |
| robcresswell | That's true | 20:22 |
| ediardo | tyr, now that you're talking ux, what's this thing you were asking for in #openstack-ux? https://openstack.invisionapp.com/d/login, | 20:23 |
| ediardo | :) | 20:23 |
| robcresswell | On the plus side, if we do change anything post-merge it shouldnt matter, since there shouldnt be any changes to anyones json etc. Just the base template. Which is nice. | 20:23 |
| tyr | which also suggests a dev-panel for forms, similar to the bootstrap stuff, so we can see how themes affect the schema form elements. Just an idea. | 20:23 |
| matt-borland | that's a good idea tyr | 20:23 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, thats true. I've looked into writing a page that demos angular widgets a couple of times, but never had the time to finish it | 20:24 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, I am curious if plugins can add their own field template types to Horizon schema-form module? | 20:24 |
| tsufiev | w/o overriding fields already defined in vanilla Horizon | 20:24 |
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| robcresswell | tsufiev: I *believe* they can, but I'd have to double check | 20:24 |
| Liuqing | tsufiev maybe | 20:24 |
| tsufiev | being additive would be a really nice feature | 20:25 |
| tyr | ediardo: I was asking for access so i could review DNSaaS v2 panel design proposal | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: https://github.com/json-schema-form/angular-schema-form/blob/master/docs/extending.md | 20:26 |
| Liuqing | tyr，who has the access control of openstack invisionapp? | 20:26 |
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| ediardo | I'm curious if that tool can help us to prototype | 20:26 |
| tyr | Liuqing: cores in openstack-ux I believe | 20:26 |
| ediardo | and I could have access | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | invision? I might do. piet_ definitely does. | 20:26 |
| tsufiev | robcresswell, yep, it is the way you're extending angular schema widgets in vanilla horizon | 20:26 |
| Liuqing | gitcha | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Yes, I just wasn't sure if it could be layered, if that makes sense | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | as in multiple overrides. | 20:27 |
| piet_ | Someone needs access to Invision? | 20:27 |
| tsufiev | what I'm talking about may be considered as enhancement hooks / extension points | 20:27 |
| Liuqing | seems not hard to extend. | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Right, but I think you can do it the same way. for adding fields. | 20:27 |
| Liuqing | piet_, it's me | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | There are pieces we'll extend in the future to do the registration stuff. | 20:28 |
| Liuqing | maybe tyr | 20:28 |
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| tsufiev | robcresswell, sure, the better extension points we have, the more happy are plugin writers :) | 20:29 |
| Liuqing | ^^ | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Indeed! | 20:30 |
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| robcresswell | Does anyone else have any issues to raise? Otherwise we can end early :) | 20:30 |
| tyr | robcresswell: I'm a little wary of the way schema form elements are organized in Horizon. | 20:31 |
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| robcresswell | Once again, please look to spend time (or ask managers for time) on reviews. We really need more +/- 1s on patches out there, as cores can't catch everything :) | 20:31 |
| robcresswell | tyr: Oh? | 20:31 |
| robcresswell | tyr: I can definitely tidy that up if you have suggestions | 20:31 |
| tyr | widgets/form/fields/ suggests that they are reusable templates...but they are schema form specific. Is there a way we can make that more clear? | 20:32 |
| tyr | schema form will certainly be useful...but I don't think authors will be able to use it 100%, depending on the form. | 20:32 |
| robcresswell | I don't know that there is much distinction required. If we follow this route, we likely wont then invest time writing hz-<something>-field for very item | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | every* | 20:33 |
| tyr | as an author looking to write an action, things in widgets tend to be reusable components...however form/ is more of a support library for the sf-* directive found in modal-form | 20:33 |
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| robcresswell | Ah I see | 20:34 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, I can alter the naming | 20:34 |
| tyr | still chewing on it, but I think my suggestions boils down to "consider placing the schema form templates perhaps not in "widgets" | 20:34 |
| robcresswell | Hmm, I think the form itself is still a widget though. I could rename the top level file schema-form | 20:35 |
| robcresswell | I see the desire for having individual fields etc, but this approach seems like it would match well with the registry approach | 20:36 |
| tyr | form is, certainly. | 20:36 |
| robcresswell | Seperating fields/ from inside form/ seems a little arbitrary :/ | 20:36 |
| tyr | not a big deal, just found it a little confusing because they aren't really "widgets" aka directives or services | 20:36 |
| robcresswell | Yes, understood | 20:37 |
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| robcresswell | I think I'll rename the top level, but keep the dir nested inside. | 20:37 |
| tyr | a modal "service" in widgets that launched modal with modal-form.html within it...that would be a great widget :) | 20:37 |
| tyr | anyhow, I'll comment on the patch. Thanks for your work on the forms!! | 20:38 |
| Liuqing | yep, common form need the modal-form.html, indeed. | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | Indeed, it would be good to effectively wrap the ui-bootstrap modal service and just pass through a bit less info might be helpful | 20:38 |
| matt-borland | yes, this will be a great move forward for rapid/consistent development | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | at the moment, you need to launch a modal and pass a couple of very specific things in | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | Doesn't require any angular knowledge either ;) | 20:39 |
| matt-borland | exactly, is transferable not Not Built Here in the best of ways | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | Just a JSON, which is nice once you get round a couple of little inconsistencies in it. | 20:39 |
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| tyr | it turns out that the modal controller can just pull "title", "form", "schema" and "model" from modal context...so even the modal controller can be generic. Author can then just focus on writing the action service (1 js file) | 20:39 |
| tyr | "doesn't require any angular knowledge either".... :) | 20:40 |
| Liuqing | and one spec.js | 20:40 |
| tyr | I love dry British humor | 20:40 |
| Liuqing | ...^^^ | 20:41 |
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| robcresswell | Liuqing: Yeah, the aim was to cut down on the kinda crazy file count too. | 20:41 |
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| Liuqing | now not easy to add creation actions. | 20:41 |
| Liuqing | in angular way | 20:42 |
| Liuqing | how many angular panels will land in newton release? | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | tyr: Ha, I was being serious, in that it doesnt really require any knowledge of how angular plugs together. You just pass in your schema/form/model and let it do things. | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | Liuqing: Images for one, people are looking at Flavors and Instances | 20:43 |
| matt-borland | it's hard to say. I think Images and Flavors are likely from what I know Liuqing. I doubt we can get enough eyes on Instances to make it live by Newton | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | I don't know that Instances will be ready. | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | Main issue is testing now IMO. | 20:44 |
| matt-borland | yep | 20:44 |
| tyr | Liuqing: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341182 has what I've learned about actions and schema forms so far. See the os-designate-zone "create" action. | 20:44 |
| robcresswell | We need something more akin to E2E, whether thats integration tests, selenium, protractor, whatever. Its an open discussion really. But its a blocking issue for now. | 20:44 |
| matt-borland | robcresswell, FYI I am working on the integration test side of that | 20:44 |
| matt-borland | that's my main task at this point. | 20:45 |
| tsufiev | matt-borland, really? | 20:45 |
| Liuqing | cool matt-borland | 20:45 |
| tsufiev | I mean, it's awesome news | 20:45 |
| matt-borland | plan is to at least do the 2 'required' integration tests for new angular panels as discussed at the midcycle | 20:45 |
| robcresswell | matt-borland: Awesome. | 20:45 |
| robcresswell | Sounds good to me. | 20:45 |
| Liuqing | tyr, thanks, will do some research about that and schema form | 20:45 |
| matt-borland | and I expect to put examples of that in to the Flavor and Image switch patches | 20:46 |
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| robcresswell | tyr: Thats neat, using the service instead of passing a controller. | 20:46 |
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| robcresswell | Is that service using the registry idea then? | 20:46 |
| robcresswell | service/factory blah stupid naming scheme. | 20:46 |
| tsufiev | matt-borland, are you going just to port existing panels integration scenarios to use them for Angular? | 20:46 |
| tyr | robcresswell: the zone create action? | 20:47 |
| robcresswell | tyr: Yeah | 20:47 |
| robcresswell | Curious how thats being executed | 20:47 |
| matt-borland | tsufiev, no, we decided to have a different minimum | 20:47 |
| matt-borland | targeting the | 20:47 |
| matt-borland | 'most likely failures' approach (more like a smoke test) | 20:47 |
| tsufiev | I see | 20:48 |
| matt-borland | for Images the use cases will become radically changed anyway | 20:48 |
| tyr | Correct, that service gets registered as a OS::Designate::Zone action in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341182/7/designatedashboard/static/designatedashboard/resources/os-designate-zone/actions/actions.module.js | 20:48 |
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| robcresswell | Gotcha | 20:49 |
| robcresswell | cool. | 20:49 |
| robcresswell | lcastell: I'll get to those filtering patches this week. Very keen to see those merged this release. Nice improvements. | 20:50 |
| lcastell | Thank you robcresswell! | 20:51 |
| robcresswell | Anything else? final few minutes | 20:51 |
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| ediardo | robcresswell: there are some very old bugs that may be closed if some bps are completed, what's the process to follow there? invalidate them? link them to the patches? | 20:52 |
| matt-borland | robcresswell, I kind of missed the early part, do you plan on trying to merge the schema-form stuff this week-ish? | 20:52 |
| matt-borland | or is it out a ways? | 20:52 |
| robcresswell | matt-borland: Yeah, I finished the functional side of it, just writing tests locally | 20:52 |
| matt-borland | ok, cool, thanks robcresswell | 20:53 |
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| robcresswell | if you look at the patch now, I think its in a finished state (bar comments etc) | 20:53 |
| robcresswell | Will be followed up by working out how to do it with registration for networks etc. | 20:53 |
| robcresswell | But need to do reviews and django 1.10 compatibility before then | 20:53 |
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| robcresswell | ediardo: If htey are no longer an issue, mark "invalid" | 20:54 |
| robcresswell | ediardo: If its still there, the owner can move it back to New etc. | 20:54 |
| ediardo | So, they will no longer be an issue after the bp is completed... | 20:54 |
| ediardo | ok | 20:54 |
| robcresswell | ediardo: If so, you can just tag the bug in the blueprint patch that covers it | 20:55 |
| robcresswell | So when the final bp patch merges, add closes-bug too if you like | 20:55 |
| ediardo | k | 20:56 |
| robcresswell | If it was fixed by a patch in the past though, just mark it invalid, otherwise its confusing to figure out which release it was fixed in :) | 20:56 |
| ediardo | thanks | 20:56 |
| robcresswell | Thanks for the hard work everyone! I look forward to beers with everyone in Barcelona :D | 20:57 |
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| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 20:57:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-07-20-20.00.html | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-07-20-20.00.txt | 20:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-07-20-20.00.log.html | 20:57 |
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