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| PaulMurray | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 6 14:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is PaulMurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:00 |
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| PaulMurray | Hello everyone | 14:00 |
| davidgiluk | hi | 14:00 |
| PaulMurray | As usual: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaLiveMigration | 14:00 |
| mdbooth | o/ | 14:00 |
| luis5tb | o/ | 14:01 |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 14:01 |
| PaulMurray | Hopefully everyone is back from summer now | 14:01 |
| PaulMurray | I am | 14:01 |
| mdbooth | Apparently summer's about to restart. It had previously ended, though. Here's hoping. | 14:02 |
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| PaulMurray | We are past feature freeze now, so I thought we would skip feature stuff for now | 14:02 |
| PaulMurray | #topic CI | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:02 | |
| PaulMurray | I have been trying to catch up | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | I saw something about flaky NFS? | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | Any news | 14:03 |
| PaulMurray | I guess that's a no | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | If no-one has anything to say we'll go on | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Bugs | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:05 | |
| pkoniszewski | tdurakov is on vacations, so no update probably | 14:05 |
| PaulMurray | pkoniszewski, thanks | 14:05 |
| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1605016 | 14:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1605016 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Post copy live migration interrupts network connectivity" [High,Confirmed] | 14:05 |
| mdbooth | I wondered if we could add a 'if post-copy: do_network_stuff()' at the end of pre_live_migration() | 14:06 |
| PaulMurray | I don't know if johnthetubaguy is here, but I saw the comments | 14:06 |
| pkoniszewski | well, we can also go other way | 14:06 |
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| pkoniszewski | we do have a control on this switch | 14:06 |
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| davidgiluk | luis5tb: did you have a chance to look at that postcopy network stuff? | 14:06 |
| pkoniszewski | i mean it's nova decision to switch pre-copy to post-copy | 14:07 |
| raj_singh | mdbooth: johnthetubaguy is on vacation till Wednesday | 14:07 |
| mdbooth | raj_singh: Ok, thanks. | 14:07 |
| PaulMurray | pkoniszewski, but nova doesn't know when the switch has hapened | 14:07 |
| pkoniszewski | it doesn't? | 14:07 |
| PaulMurray | i don't think its synchronous is it? | 14:08 |
| pkoniszewski | davidgiluk: ? | 14:08 |
| pkoniszewski | davidgiluk: ^ | 14:08 |
| PaulMurray | I think nova triggers the switch | 14:08 |
| davidgiluk | pkoniszewski: I only know it from the qemu side; luis5tb ^ | 14:08 |
| luis5tb | davidgiluk: no, not yet. I'm moving so I pretty busy the last weeks | 14:08 |
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| mdbooth | The thing is, if we're going to add a new callback it needs to be asynchronous, and concurrent with the migration. | 14:08 |
| PaulMurray | danpb, said there is an event at the destination that we can pick up | 14:08 |
| danpb | yes, libvirt emits an event when post-copy starts | 14:08 |
| PaulMurray | I noted it in the bug | 14:08 |
| mdbooth | danpb: Can we trigger nova code with context at the destination? | 14:08 |
| danpb | so you can use that to trigger the network change | 14:09 |
| danpb | on source it'll emit PAUSED + reason POST_COPY | 14:09 |
| mdbooth | So libvirt can give us an async callback? | 14:09 |
| danpb | on target it'll emit RUNNING + reason POST_COPY | 14:09 |
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| danpb | nova already has an event handler registered with libvirt that'll be receiving these | 14:09 |
| danpb | so you merely need to wire up some code to trigger on it | 14:09 |
| mdbooth | PaulMurray: I see your comment now. Read backwards and missed it. | 14:10 |
| danpb | shouldn't be any more complex that what nova already has todo to switch network when pre-copy finished | 14:10 |
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| mdbooth | Is this considered a bug that's eligible for Newton? | 14:11 |
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| mdbooth | mriedem: ^^^ ? | 14:11 |
| mriedem | how much backscroll do i need to read here? | 14:11 |
| danpb | if it isn't considered eligible then you pretty much have to block any use of post-copy in Newton | 14:12 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: About 5 lines. | 14:12 |
| danpb | as it is useless if network is fubar | 14:12 |
| PaulMurray | I'm not sure its super critical | 14:12 |
| PaulMurray | but it would be good if it can be done | 14:12 |
| mriedem | talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1605016 ? | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1605016 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Post copy live migration interrupts network connectivity" [High,Confirmed] | 14:12 |
| danpb | PaulMurray: complete lack of working network while in post-copy phase seems pretty critical to me | 14:12 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: Yes | 14:12 |
| mriedem | bugs are fair game | 14:12 |
| mdbooth | So if this will be considered in Newton, I don't mind taking this. | 14:12 |
| PaulMurray | danpb, yeah, but I meant we can do migration without it - so its not a show stopper | 14:13 |
| mriedem | is this like 100% fail with post-copy? | 14:13 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: No, just no networking until it completes. | 14:13 |
| davidgiluk | which is pretty bad | 14:13 |
| mdbooth | Which is a potentially long time, of course. | 14:13 |
| danpb | that may be anywhere from a few milliseconds to many minutes | 14:13 |
| pkoniszewski | mdbooth: is that true for ANY neutron configuration? | 14:13 |
| PaulMurray | that's why the problem is there - testing with vas that aren't really doing much means you don't notice | 14:14 |
| PaulMurray | but with a busy vm it would be a problem | 14:14 |
| mdbooth | pkoniszewski: I haven't looked at it in detail, yet, but I don't see how it could be otherwise? | 14:14 |
| PaulMurray | pkoniszewski, its not neutron that makes the difference | 14:14 |
| PaulMurray | its the time it takes to complete the post-copy | 14:15 |
| pkoniszewski | c | 14:15 |
| pkoniszewski | sorry | 14:15 |
| mdbooth | Ok, sounds like we agree this is pretty bad and eligible for Newton. | 14:15 |
| mdbooth | I'll have a stab at it. | 14:15 |
| davidgiluk | mdbooth: Prod me if you need any help understanding postcopy | 14:16 |
| mdbooth | davidgiluk: Will do, thanks. | 14:16 |
| danpb | mdbooth: you should wear a stab proof vest, because live migration always stabs back :-P | 14:16 |
| davidgiluk | haha | 14:16 |
| PaulMurray | mdbooth, thanks - I'll see if we can help too | 14:16 |
| PaulMurray | at least with testing | 14:16 |
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| pkoniszewski | PaulMurray: just checked that nova-network does not require post copy steps to keep networking up | 14:16 |
| mriedem | i've tagged it with neutron-rc-potential | 14:16 |
| luis5tb | I'm happy to help too, but as this is high prio and I will not have too much time available within the nxt couple of weeks I prefer to not be the responsible one! | 14:17 |
| pkoniszewski | and i'm pretty sure that it is only DVR case for neutron | 14:17 |
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| PaulMurray | #action mdbooth to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1605016 | 14:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1605016 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Post copy live migration interrupts network connectivity" [High,Confirmed] | 14:17 |
| PaulMurray | Do we have any other critical bugs ? | 14:18 |
| pkoniszewski | yeah, i think | 14:18 |
| pkoniszewski | this fixes regression that we introduced in newton | 14:18 |
| pkoniszewski | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358599/ | 14:18 |
| PaulMurray | I saw that just now | 14:19 |
| pkoniszewski | basically because of this bug everyone needs to set vnc/spice to listen all/localhost | 14:19 |
| PaulMurray | is the patch close to done ? | 14:19 |
| pkoniszewski | i think that it can be merged in the current state | 14:20 |
| mriedem | i'll take a look at it after meetings | 14:20 |
| markus_z | This fixes an older issue with live migration + serial console ports: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275801/ | 14:20 |
| markus_z | I wasn't sure if you're aware of that one. | 14:21 |
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| pkoniszewski | another one is that it is impossible to use dedicated interfaces for live migration using our default confiugration - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356558/ | 14:21 |
| pkoniszewski | basically it has never worked | 14:21 |
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| PaulMurray | There are related changes - this one has +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335132/7 | 14:22 |
| danpb | pkoniszewski: not entirely true - it worked fine if using VIR_MIGRATE_TUNNELLED | 14:22 |
| danpb | pkoniszewski: which used to be our default until recently | 14:22 |
| danpb | but i agree we should fix it | 14:22 |
| pkoniszewski | i wasn't fast enough to add that it works while tunnelling is on, which is not out default configuration anymore | 14:23 |
| pkoniszewski | thanks danpb | 14:23 |
| danpb | IOW, this is a regression from previous state, so we should fix it | 14:23 |
| PaulMurray | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1455252 | 14:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1455252 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "enabling serial console breaks live migration" [High,In progress] - Assigned to sahid (sahid-ferdjaoui) | 14:24 |
| mriedem | plug for long-standing live migration + dvr change that neutron wants in for newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275073/ - i have a todo to get back to reviewing that again | 14:24 |
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| PaulMurray | mriedem, yes, that's on the agenda | 14:24 |
| PaulMurray | just noting these console bugs | 14:24 |
| PaulMurray | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1595962 | 14:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1595962 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live migration with disabled vnc/spice not possible" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Markus Zoeller (markus_z) (mzoeller) | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | PaulMurray: if we have regressions in newton then we should tag those bugs with newton-rc-potential | 14:25 |
| mriedem | at least to get them attention in the next 2 weeks | 14:25 |
| PaulMurray | ok - will do | 14:25 |
| mriedem | RC1 is in 2 weeks | 14:25 |
| PaulMurray | mriedem, the neutron one still have a failing tempest test | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | is anyone looking at that ? | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286855/ | 14:26 |
| PaulMurray | that's the test | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | the fix is: | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275073 | 14:27 |
| mriedem | PaulMurray: just to be clear, that's a WIP test | 14:27 |
| mriedem | i mean, it's throw away, just to test that nova dvr change | 14:27 |
| mriedem | gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode-full is the job in that tempest change we care about | 14:28 |
| mriedem | which is passing | 14:28 |
| PaulMurray | ah, goo news | 14:28 |
| PaulMurray | So we just need review on that fix then | 14:28 |
| mriedem | well i'm rechecking the tempest fix | 14:28 |
| mriedem | to run that job again, it hasn't run on the latest nova PS | 14:28 |
| mriedem | but yeah | 14:29 |
| mriedem | i reviewed the nova change a couple of weeks ago, some perf improvements and lots of missing unit tests, but otherwise it looks pretty close | 14:29 |
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| PaulMurray | #action ALL look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275073 | 14:30 |
| PaulMurray | Any others to mention | 14:30 |
| mriedem | not a bug, but, | 14:31 |
| mriedem | i haven't yet gone through the libvirt imagebackend refactor series yet to start -2ing | 14:31 |
| mriedem | but expect that early this week | 14:31 |
| mriedem | i think that's the last bp i have left to sort out for what's in FF and what's not | 14:31 |
| PaulMurray | The list is here https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=live-migration+ | 14:32 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: Thanks :) | 14:32 |
| PaulMurray | There are a number of 'high' importance bugs in progress | 14:32 |
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| PaulMurray | markus_z, have you been checking if bugs actually are in progress ? | 14:32 |
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| PaulMurray | There are about 7 or 8 and we have discussed some already | 14:34 |
| PaulMurray | so lets have a quick look at the others | 14:34 |
| PaulMurray | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1419577 | 14:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1419577 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "when live-migrate failed, lun-id couldn't be rollback in havana" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Lee Yarwood (lyarwood) | 14:35 |
| PaulMurray | anyone know about this? it has a fix here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338929/ | 14:36 |
| PaulMurray | its by lee yarwood | 14:36 |
| PaulMurray | The next two we know about | 14:37 |
| mdbooth | Lee is off for a bit | 14:37 |
| mdbooth | Not sure when he's back | 14:37 |
| PaulMurray | the fourth is the volume breaks CI one | 14:37 |
| PaulMurray | ok mdbooth | 14:38 |
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| PaulMurray | This one looks quite specific | 14:38 |
| PaulMurray | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1566622 | 14:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566622 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live migration fails with xenapi virt driver and SRs with old-style naming convention" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Corey Wright (coreywright) | 14:38 |
| PaulMurray | the fix that was up for review has been abandoned in july | 14:39 |
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| PaulMurray | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1600251 | 14:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1600251 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live migration does not honor server group policy" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Paul Carlton (paul-carlton2) | 14:39 |
| PaulMurray | this has a fix up that should be easy to finish off | 14:40 |
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| PaulMurray | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339588/ | 14:40 |
| paul-carlton2 | I lokked at that this morning will fix it when done with current task | 14:40 |
| PaulMurray | thanks paul-carlton2 | 14:40 |
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| PaulMurray | the next one we discussed already | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | then we have | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1607996 | 14:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1607996 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Live migration does not update numa hugepages info in xml" [High,In progress] | 14:41 |
| PaulMurray | unassigned | 14:42 |
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| PaulMurray | danpb, do you know anything about this ? I know you haven't commented on the bug | 14:43 |
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| danpb | PaulMurray: its not entirely suprising - i mean the original numa/hugepage code never tried to make migraiton work | 14:44 |
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| * danpb doesn't even know if we update NUMA topology upon migration yet, let alone hugepages | 14:44 | |
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| PaulMurray | danpb, I think that's all work in progress at the moment - along with claims on destination etc | 14:45 |
| danpb | yeah | 14:45 |
| danpb | there's probably another open bug somewhere you can mark it a duplicate of | 14:45 |
| PaulMurray | I'll take a look | 14:46 |
| mdbooth | danpb: Is numa topology allowed to change during live migration? | 14:46 |
| PaulMurray | That's all the high importance bugs. | 14:46 |
| danpb | mdbooth: guest NUMA topology cannot change but the host<->guest placement can | 14:47 |
| mdbooth | Got it. | 14:47 |
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| danpb | its just that nova has never tried to | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | the only ones not in progress are the post-copy network problem and the volume based live migration one that's messing up CI | 14:47 |
| danpb | because it has complex interactions in the schedular that need fixing first | 14:47 |
| PaulMurray | most have reviews up, so lets try to get those in at least. | 14:48 |
| PaulMurray | I'll make a list and put it on the ML and our tracking page | 14:48 |
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| PaulMurray | Feel free to add if something needs attention that is not there | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | #topic Open discussion | 14:49 |
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| PaulMurray | anything left over to discuss ? | 14:49 |
| PaulMurray | I think we're done | 14:50 |
| PaulMurray | Thanks for coming | 14:50 |
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| PaulMurray | #endmeeting | 14:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 6 14:50:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-09-06-14.00.html | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-09-06-14.00.txt | 14:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-09-06-14.00.log.html | 14:50 |
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