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rtheisosc meeting ?13:11
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aohuanxuanSeems like the OSC meeting not open yet13:15
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vgridnev#startmeeting sahara14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  8 14:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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elmikohi14:00
vgridnev#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda14:00
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egaffordo/14:01
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vgridnev#topic News / updates14:02
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esikachevhi14:03
mionkinhi14:03
vgridnevso, finally https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/initial-kerberos-integration is finished I think, waiting for some reviews on it14:03
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vgridnevadditionally fixed bug in hadoop-swiftfs that prevents correct job execution with Swift when kerberos enabled14:04
vgridnevalso working on coordinating bug fix work14:04
vgridnevso, current status of RC1 is14:04
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vgridnev#link https://launchpad.net/sahara/+milestone/newton-rc114:05
vgridnev7 bugs left, 2 blueprints are still in open state14:05
mionkinon this week I added rack awareness for CDH 5.5 and CDH 5.7, added event log for HDP, updated docs for Designate14:05
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egaffordThe CLI core is done and functioning; we may want to add additional BPs for each plugin implementation.14:06
zemuvierwriting tests for scenario fraemwork, it includes cluster verifiacation and added the ispublic and isprotected flags to cluster14:06
vgridnevegafford, so we can mark that as implemented also14:06
vgridnevI don't think we will need specs for these blueprints14:07
egaffordvgridnev: Yeah, I'll do that after the meeting and create the new BPs.14:07
egaffordvgridnev: Nah; we get how those work. :)14:07
vgridnevok, seems like Kerberos is only open blueprint now :) :(14:08
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vgridnevegafford, tosky is on PTO, isn't?14:10
vgridnevcan't find him on IRC14:10
egaffordvgridnev: Tjat14:11
egaffordThat's correct; he'll be back next week.14:11
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vgridnevok, thanks then. I was thinking about release for sahara-tests, we will need to check what we have to land before release.14:12
vgridnev#topic Open discussion14:13
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vgridnevso, work on bugs is in progress, so what about docs? we actually can continue working on docs even after release, we will just land docs in master, but it will not be in stable/newton14:15
vgridnevI will prepare documentation about Kerberos shortly, also I saw a updates about pagination, and designate14:16
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egaffordvgridnev: Are we doing bug week, then doc week, or together?14:17
mionkinvgridnev: all updates about designate are already merged14:17
egaffordIf we're doing doc review now, I'll send a mail to the ML to try to get that review process started.14:17
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vgridnevok, I think that we should finishing work on bugs (RC1 is around Wednesday) and also we can start working on docs now14:19
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egaffordvgridnev: Great; giving myself an action to send doc ML post kickoff thing.14:20
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vgridnevOk, about Ocata release, it's going be super short (only 16 weeks)14:23
vgridnev#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357214/7/doc/source/ocata/schedule.rst14:23
egaffordvgridnev: o.O wow, that's tiny.14:25
tenobregit is very short14:25
vgridnevthen we should have strictly defined goals to reach, because there is no so much time to implement huge features14:25
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egaffordvgridnev: Yeah, we need to prioritize very aggressively.14:26
tenobregagreed, for this first experience I believe we should have a really short spec deadline14:27
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vgridnevegafford, tenobreg additionally we should keep in mind that there are always a LOT of weekends around New Year and Christmas, so we should remove 2 weeks for schedule14:27
egaffordDo we want to implement an O1 spec post deadline? An O2 spec post deadline?14:27
egaffordvgridnev: +2.14:28
tenobregvgridnev, true14:28
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tenobregegafford, my vote is for O1 spec post deadline14:30
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NikitaKonovalovagree for O1 spec deadline. This leaves spcecs a chance to be implemented in time.14:31
vgridnevtenobreg,  I don't think we really need deadlines for specs, but probably we have to do so for large features. If something is really needed, we always can consider exception14:31
vgridnevI would say R-12 is better14:33
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egaffordvgridnev: I like the O1 spec post deadline with an option for exception until O2.14:33
tenobregvgridnev, the spec deadline is exactly that. Since specs are usually for larger features, we should consider limiting the submission. This will give time to review and implement without surprises14:33
tenobregsince the time frame is changing14:34
tenobregegafford, +214:34
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vgridnevadditionally we will have some community wide goals to reach, and one of that is support of Python3 in sahara, but I think that since we have passing python3 jobs for a while it should not big problem for us14:35
egaffordvgridnev: Yeah we're actually not behind OpenStack on that.14:36
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NikitaKonovalovegafford: I'm not actually shure that eventlet runs correctly on py314:36
NikitaKonovalovsome time ago there were troubles with it14:36
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egaffordNikitaKonovalov: Ouch, that would be quite awful.14:37
NikitaKonovalovbut if they are solved, than we in fact are in good shape14:37
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vgridnevthere was something like that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260999/14:38
vgridnevif this run was correct, so then story is good14:38
egaffordvgridnev: Well, if there are bugs deep in eventlet, those can be quite occasional and awful (debugging coroutine/threading issues is quite awful and the bugs are often hard to repro.)14:40
egaffordNikitaKonovalov: Do you remember anything more specific about the bug?14:40
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NikitaKonovalovegafford: afaik the eventled threads could simply hang forever14:41
egaffordYup, that's quite awful.14:42
tenobregquite awful for sure14:42
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egaffordNikitaKonovalov: http://eventlet.net/doc/changelog.html it looks as though some py3 fixes were implemented in 17.3: /me researches release of that.14:44
vgridnevanyway right after newton is done we should start moving our jobs to python3 to validate everything is ok14:44
egafford+1.14:45
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tenobreg+114:46
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vgridnevanything else that we can cover?14:47
tenobregnot from my side14:47
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egaffordNothing here.14:48
vgridnevegafford, about replacing some artifacts from sahara-files.mirantis.com, you can track progress on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367271/14:48
egaffordAwesome! I'll watch that.14:48
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vgridnevok, finishing meeting14:49
vgridnev#endmeeting14:49
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tenobregthanks14:50
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l315:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  8 15:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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tidwellrhi15:00
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mlavalle#chair carl_baldwin tidwellr15:00
openstackCurrent chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle tidwellr15:00
johnbelamarichello15:01
mlavalleToday's agenda is here:15:01
haleybhi15:01
mlavalle#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam15:01
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mlavalle#topic Announcements15:02
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mlavalleAs we all know, RC-1 deadline is next week:15:02
mlavalle#link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html15:02
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mlavallePlease also note that the PTL self nomination period is also next week, in case anyone is interested15:03
carl_baldwinmlavalle: maybe you? ;)15:04
mlavallenope :-)15:04
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mlavalleAny other annoucements?15:04
carl_baldwinNot from me15:05
mlavalleok, let's dive in....15:05
mlavalle#topic Bugs15:05
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mlavalleFirst in the list is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/160954015:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1609540 in neutron "Deleting csnat port fails due to no fixed ips" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin)15:05
carl_baldwinSo, we won't see the message unless we bump up the level15:06
mlavalleAs noted in the bug itself, I checked with infra, and debug level information is not captured in logstash15:06
carl_baldwinI'll post a patch for that today.15:06
carl_baldwinmlavalle: what level do they index to search?15:06
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clarkbinfo and greater15:07
carl_baldwinclarkb: thanks15:07
carl_baldwinI'll bump it to info15:07
mlavalleThanks carl_baldwin15:07
carl_baldwinmlavalle: that's all15:07
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mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/159607515:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1596075 in neutron "Neutron confused about overlapping subnet creation" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton)15:08
clarkbfor a couple reasons. The big one is we can't index all the data at debug level. There is just too much. But also if something is important enough to be indexed that probably means its more than debug15:08
mlavalleclarkb: thanks for the clarification!15:08
carl_baldwinclarkb: understood. It makes perfect sense.15:08
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mlavalleregarding the bug, I can see 2 fixes were proposed to it15:09
mlavalleover the past 6 hours15:09
mlavallethanks kevinbenton!15:10
mlavalleSo I guess we need to wait for the fixes to be deployed by the bug reporter ans let us know what the status is15:10
mlavalleany other comments?15:10
mlavalleok, let's move on15:11
mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/159932915:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1599329 in neutron "Potential regression on handing over DHCP addresses to VMs" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)15:11
mlavalleI spent some time yesterday with this one15:12
mlavalleas of last evening, I could see 28 ocurrences over the previous 7 days15:12
mlavalleI can see instances not receiving leases from dhcp15:13
mlavalleBut I couldn't connect those failures with specific events in the dhcp agent log15:13
mlavalleSo I will continue digging over the next few days15:14
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mlavalleAny comments, advice or guidance?15:14
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mlavalleok, let's move on15:15
mlavallehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/161048315:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach)15:16
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mlavallejohnbelamaric: any comments on this one?15:16
johnbelamaricmlavalle: no update right now, I will talk to him in 45 mins.15:17
mlavallejohnbelamaric: Thanks for taking ownership of this one!15:17
mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/161931215:18
openstackLaunchpad bug 1619312 in neutron "dvr: can't migrate legacy router to DVR" [High,Confirmed]15:18
jschwarzthis is still looking for an owner :<15:18
mlavalleyeap, how about you?15:18
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jschwarzmlavalle, I probably won't get to it in the next few weeks, so I'd rather not15:19
jschwarzI have work travels coming up15:19
mlavalleThanks15:19
mlavalleAny other comments from anyone?15:19
haleybmlavalle: i guess when dvr things fall through the cracks they go to me15:20
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haleybso i'll take it over15:20
mlavallehaleyb: thanks!15:20
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alraddarla_I joined late and I am new so I apologize if this is not where I should be asking...Do you all know if neutron has the ability for to use the l3 scheduler to pin a tenant to a particular l3 router?15:21
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jschwarzalraddarla_, I think you can use the AZScheduler for that. Lets take it to #openstack-neutron ?15:22
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mlavalleLast bug in the list today is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/152298015:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1522980 in neutron "L3 HA integration with l2pop assumes control plane is operational for fail over" [High,In progress] - Assigned to venkata anil (anil-venkata)15:23
jschwarzmlavalle, Anil is on PTO I believe so that's why there hasn't been progress on that during the last few days15:23
alraddarla_Sounds good. I will ask there. Thank you jschwarz15:23
jschwarzI'm not sure when he's due back15:23
mlavallejschwarz: thanks. Yeah, carl_baldwin left some comments in the patchset. So let's wait for him to come back15:24
jschwarzwe'd still like it to go in for RC1 though :)15:24
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mlavalleAny other bugs from the team?15:25
carl_baldwinmlavalle: jschwarz: I'll take a look.15:25
jschwarzcarl_baldwin, thanks15:25
mlavalleIf not, let's move on15:26
mlavalle#topic Routed Networks15:26
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mlavallecarl_baldwin: any updates for this team?15:27
carl_baldwinI haven't done much, to be honest. We plan to talk about plans for Ocata next Tuesday.15:27
carl_baldwinI am working on docs, but very slowly.15:27
mlavalleok, that's good, let's move on15:28
carl_baldwinI got a review from john-davidge on the docs patch. More input would probably be helpful.15:28
carl_baldwin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356013/15:29
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mlavalleThanks15:29
mlavallemoving on15:29
mlavalle#topic BGP Dynamic Routing15:30
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tidwellrhi15:30
tidwellrno updates this week, we're ready to release Newton15:30
liuyulonghi15:31
liuyulongtidwellr, https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1614866, this bug15:31
openstackLaunchpad bug 1614866 in neutron "BGP: Failed to withdraw route while dissocating floating IP" [High,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889)15:31
tidwellrliuyulong: I know you've got some bug fixes outstanding, I'm trying to work in reviews, my apologies15:31
liuyulongtidwellr, thank you very much.15:32
tidwellrliuyulong: I would love to get those fixes in, so I'll spend some time today15:32
tidwellrbut if we can't get them in for Newton, I think we'll still be OK15:33
carl_baldwinCould I help with reviews?15:33
liuyulongcarl_baldwin, yes, please15:33
liuyulongtidwellr, OK15:33
tidwellrcarl_baldwin: that would be great, I'm drowning with other things15:33
carl_baldwinDo you have links handy?15:33
liuyulongtidwellr, mitaka may need that fix.15:34
tidwellrhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/357716/15:34
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liuyulong^15:34
liuyulongcarl_baldwin, and neutron side: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357722/15:35
tidwellrcarl_baldwin: this is the neutron-dynamic-routing fix, the issue is that a FIP withdrawl can sometimes take a whole re-sync cycle because of a bug15:35
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carl_baldwinliuyulong: thanks15:35
tidwellrcarl_baldwin: we'd like to not hit this bug and have the FIP route withdrawn immediately rather than waiting for the re-sync15:35
carl_baldwintidwellr: ack15:36
tidwellrliuyulong: I'm not sure if this is a backportable change, but it's worth a look15:36
tidwellrit involves the RPC interface, so we need to tread lightly with the backport15:36
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tidwellrliuyulong: thanks for being persistent on this fix, anything else to add?15:38
tidwellrif not, I don't have anything else to add15:38
mlavalleThanks tidwellr15:39
mlavalleLet's move on, then15:39
mlavalle#topic FWaaS15:39
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mlavallenjohnston: you are up15:40
njohnstonFWaaS is now using L3 agent extensions, delivered in Newton15:40
njohnston#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355576/15:40
njohnstonheavily tested manually15:40
njohnstonso I think the main remaining bit of work is just the L3 agent extensions fullstack test15:41
njohnston#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345631/15:41
njohnstonwhich involces faking out stevedore to load a dummy plugin.  I don't know how to do this, and I'm still looking for the best way to do it, reading Stevedore's own tests15:41
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njohnstonI also figured I'd reach out to the other *-aas teams to ask them about them integrating with L3 agent extensions15:42
njohnstonto advocate for it with them, and provide limited assistance with it15:42
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liuyulongtidwellr, I have a bad networking at home, sorry for late reply. Only needs pay more attention is that cache check change in dr-agent side.15:42
liuyulonghttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/357716/6/neutron_dynamic_routing/services/bgp/agent/bgp_dragent.py15:43
liuyulongtidwellr, ^15:43
tidwellrliuyulong: ack15:43
njohnstonI think that's it for my update.  But I'd be interested: which *-aas type teams do you think I should approach to see if I can help them transition to L3 agent extensions?  VPNaaS?15:44
mlavallenjohnston: my bet would be the LBaaS team15:44
mlavallestart with blogan15:45
njohnstonmlavalle: Will do, thanks!15:45
mlavalleok, moving on15:46
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mlavalle#topic Conversion to pluggable IPAM15:46
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mlavalleThis topic is mostly done, AFAIK15:46
carl_baldwinYes.15:47
mlavalleThe only pending point is updating docs15:47
carl_baldwinWe have an open doc bug.15:47
mlavalleany comments on this, johnbelamaric?15:47
carl_baldwin#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/158898415:47
openstackLaunchpad bug 1588984 in openstack-manuals "Improve IPAM documentation" [Medium,Triaged]15:47
carl_baldwinI was just discussing with johnbelamaric15:47
johnbelamaricmlavalle: one change for this has merged, but I need to do a release note too15:48
johnbelamaricmlavalle: also, I am thinking we may want to include a "Known Drivers" section with links to those drivers15:48
johnbelamaricmlavalle: AFAIK, the drivers out there are Infoblox, Calico, Romana. Anyone know of any others?15:49
mlavallejohnbelamaric: so I'll keep this topic in the agenda, so we can revisit in future meetings15:49
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carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: we might want to ask Sam-I-Am about what happened with the docs and what to do.15:49
johnbelamariccarl_baldwin: ok, thanks15:49
carl_baldwinjohnbelamaric: I don't know of any others.15:49
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johnbelamarick15:50
mlavallejohnbelamaric: thanks for the update!15:51
mlavalle#topic Open Agenda15:51
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mlavalleAny other topics that anyone in the team wants to bring up?15:51
mlavalleOk, I think this is it15:53
mlavalleThanks for your attendance and updates. Have a nice rest of the week!15:53
mlavalle#endmeeting15:53
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carl_baldwinThanks!15:55
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elmiko#startmeeting api-wg16:01
etoews#startmeeting api wg16:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  8 16:01:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is elmiko. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'api_wg'16:01
openstacketoews: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.  Use #endmeeting first.16:01
etoewslol.16:01
elmikooops, i flubbed the start meeting16:02
elmikoshould i undo then restart?16:02
elmiko#undo16:02
etoewsnope. i flubbed it. no need to restart i think.16:02
etoewsi was just popping up to say i can't make it :)16:02
scottdahi16:02
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elmikook, didn't i mess up the name though?16:02
elmikohaha16:03
elmikohi scottda16:03
cdentelmiko: you did it right16:03
cdentI'm only half here16:03
elmikok16:03
elmiko#chair cdent elmiko etoews16:03
openstackCurrent chairs: cdent elmiko etoews16:03
gouthamrhi16:03
elmiko#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda\16:03
elmiko#undo16:03
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elmiko#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda16:03
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elmikoi think this is gonna get screwed up in the log archives. i named the meeting "api-wg" should be "api wg"16:04
elmikoah well, maybe meetbot did the right thing16:04
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cdentelmiko: i think it translates16:04
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elmikoyeah, looks like it16:04
elmikoi don't think we had any action items from last time16:05
elmiko#topic Consistent endpoint discover16:05
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elmiko#link http://markmail.org/message/o4k7wd7vqxon2ypk16:05
elmikonot sure who added this topic, does anyone have a comment on it?16:06
cdentthat was me, I thought the email was relevant to us, but couldn't decide, wanted to highlight it16:07
elmikocool16:07
* elmiko still reading it16:07
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elmikointeresting topic, i'm not exactly clear on the course of action. dont' microversion already get us to a point of determinism for the resources?16:09
cdentthe concern there is that there's no clean way to get the microversion info16:10
cdentfor many situation you get /16:10
cdentbut sometimes that is authed16:10
cdentsometimes it is not there16:10
elmikooh, gotcha16:10
elmikoi thought we had talked about standardizing a version response endpoint16:11
elmikoyeah, we started this:16:12
gouthamrhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Entry_Points16:12
elmiko#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group/Current_Design/Version_Responses16:12
gouthamr?16:12
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elmikothose 2 pages could probably be related16:12
gouthamrtrue..16:13
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gouthamrwhat could be the rationale behind not requiring authentication though?16:13
scottdaI'll update that cinder/block storage part...we've v3 endpoint now with microversions.16:13
elmikogouthamr: i think mainly so you could discover things like version level, which may or may not be seen as needing auth16:14
gouthamrelmiko: yes, but i'm thinking in  terms of applications that might initialize client/s with that information.. and that would be used to make other requests.. so, the auth information should be there?16:15
elmikoyeah, that makes sense16:16
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elmikoi'm not sure about the intent behind having this info not require auth16:16
cdentelmiko: i think it is more about consistency than any particular preference16:17
elmikoah, gotcha16:17
elmikoso, i guess my question is, do we want to take the version response research and attempt to craft a guideline based on it?16:17
* elmiko double checks to make sure we didn't do that already16:17
elmikoyeah, i don't see anything yet16:18
gouthamrhttps://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/microversion_specification.html#version-discovery16:18
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elmikoah, nice. good one gouthamr16:19
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elmikoi thought we did something about this lol16:19
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gouthamrelmiko: yes, the guideline already suggests that the versions endpoint "should return the minimum and maximum versions".. we should probably address the concern regarding authentication there16:20
elmikounfortunately, it seems like we need to get consistency about the version negotiations16:21
elmikoyeah, what is the guidance though?16:21
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elmikoi mean, i don't see a reason to have the root version endpoint be authenticated, but that's just my opinion16:22
gouthamrhmmm, not sure on this one.. nova, cinder, manila require authentication16:22
scottdaI don't think cinder does...16:22
gouthamroh.. might be wrong..16:23
elmikomaybe we should start by doing an analysis of the services now16:23
scottdano, cinder does not need auth16:23
elmikolook through them all and see who wants auth for that endpoint16:23
elmikoif a majority require auth, no reason to advice against that16:24
scottdaWhat about keystone? How do we figure out which version (when they have microversions) if we need auth to check?16:24
elmikogood point16:24
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elmikoi guess that's partially why i'm in favor of no auth for version discovery. but, this is an effort someone would need to champion across the projects, just as Krotscheck suggests in the email16:25
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gouthamrscottda elmiko: okay, i was wrong.. manila doesn't need auth too16:26
scottdagouthamr: That makes sense. Since I copied Cinder's from Manila :)16:26
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gouthamrscottda: :) and we copied from nova.. so.. lemme quickly confirm nova's status16:27
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gouthamrokay, not sure how the OP tested this.. but http://paste.openstack.org/show/569259/16:28
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elmikonot sure, maybe worth engaging on the ml16:29
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cdentIt's quite likely things have changed16:29
gouthamrelmiko: +116:29
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cdentIn any case we don't need to solve this today, the agenda item was: do we own this. Sounds like we do :)16:30
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elmikogouthamr: would you be willing to make a response on the ml?16:30
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gouthamrelmiko: sure thing16:31
elmikothanks!16:31
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elmiko#action gouthamr respond to Michael Krotscheck's email about consistent endpoint discovery16:31
elmiko#topic Prepping any summit stuff16:32
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elmikowho else aside from cdent is going to barcelona?16:32
gouthamrscottda and I will be there..16:33
scottdaI'm not sure yet, but probably I will go.16:33
elmikovery cool!16:33
gouthamroh :P you have a talk scottda16:33
gouthamrhttps://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15434/api-microversions-for-operators-what-why-and-how16:33
elmikocdent: are you going to lead a wg session?16:33
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scottdagouthamr: I'm pretty sure, but things change within my company, so I'm being cautious...16:33
gouthamrscottda: :)16:33
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cdentelmiko: I had hoped to ask about that today and get suggestions on what it should do, if it is just me and the limited space available ,etc16:34
elmikok16:34
cdentbut myattention is very partial right now16:34
elmikomaybe we keep this on the agenda till next week then16:34
elmikoif we do a session, we'll need the usual etherpad with topics, etc16:35
elmikoalthough, next thursday is the deadline...16:35
elmikocdent: etoews: maybe we should shoot for a BoF gathering instead of a full session if it's going to be light?16:35
cdentwe can do some email, especially since next thursday I'll be at pyconuk16:35
elmikok16:36
elmikowe'll table for now then16:36
cdentyeah bof seems nice16:36
elmikomight be more appropriate, although we did have a good crowd in austin16:36
elmiko#topic guidelines16:36
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elmiko#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z16:36
elmikoonly one open right now, not a guideline per se16:36
elmikoi like you suggestions cdent, i need to make another version but could use a little more advice16:37
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elmiko#topic bug review16:39
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elmiko#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg16:39
cdentyeah, I just saw that, will think about it16:39
elmikocool, thanks cdent !16:39
cdentno new bugs, and no recent changes except for your thing16:39
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elmikowe still have several open bugs, just wanted to post in case folks are looking for something to do =)16:39
elmikoi'm not taking a new one till i finish that one ;P16:40
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elmiko#topic APIImpact16:40
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cdenti have doing the one about summary of testing types on my to do list but it keeps getting deferred16:40
elmiko#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+(message:ApiImpact+OR+message:APIImpact),n,z16:40
elmikocdent: i hear that...16:40
elmikoany APIImpact reviews that people would like to highlight?16:41
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elmiko#topic open mic16:43
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elmikoany other business?16:43
elmikoi can handle the weekly newsletter16:44
cdentreality presents many challenges in the face of doing cross project stuff :(16:44
cdentthis is an upsetting problem16:44
elmikoso true...16:44
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elmikocdent: do you have a link to notmyname's comments about the payload stuff?16:49
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elmikoi'm trying to remember where that was16:50
elmikoit was like a review or something16:50
cdenthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/322194/16:50
cdentnot a lot there, but some16:51
elmikothanks!16:51
cdentand some here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354266/16:51
cdentboth very short16:51
notmynamepayload?16:52
* notmyname tries to catch up16:52
notmynamewhat's going on?16:52
elmikowe are trying to address some comments you had about the implicit assumptions in the api-wg guidelines about json bodies and whatnot16:52
elmikowe'd like to be more clear about what we are generally referring to when speaking about APIs and their payload contents16:53
notmynameah, ok. cool16:53
elmikoi think we all agree you made some very salient points16:53
notmynamethanks16:53
elmikoand thank you for the input =)16:54
notmynameis there something further I can help with?16:54
elmikoi don't think so, i just wanted to have some links to provide reference for our newsletter16:55
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elmiko#topic weekly newsletter16:56
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elmiko#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter16:56
elmikocdent: that look good to you ^^16:56
* cdent reads16:57
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cdentquick skim reads well16:57
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elmikocool, thanks16:57
elmikoif there is no other business, i'm gonna end the meeting16:58
elmikothanks everyone for showing up!16:58
elmiko#endmeeting16:59
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Sep  8 16:59:01 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:59
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cdentthanks for doing all that elmiko16:59
elmikonp, glad to help as long as i've a little time ;)17:00
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kzaitsev_mbdocaedo: are you around?17:01
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kzaitsev_mbsskripnick and I are both on a meeting17:02
kzaitsev_mbso I formally chair the meeting17:03
kzaitsev_mbbut I will be slightly irresponsive for the first part at least17:03
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kzaitsev_mbs/ir/un/17:04
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kzaitsev_mbok, seems that we're skipping the meeting today =)17:06
zynzeli have only 1 update17:06
zynzelsmall one :)17:06
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zynzeli tried to get anything from infra (http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-September/004707.html)17:06
zynzelwithout much success17:07
zynzeli hope fungi will answer this email today, im poking him 1/day :)17:07
sskripnicksad17:08
sskripnickokay, so I have a little update too17:08
sskripnickwe mostly finished glare catalog integration. we need only synchronize changes in artifact types17:09
kzaitsev_mbsskripnick: do we want to start a formal meeting to get it logged?17:09
fungizynzel: yep, i'm still struggling to catch up on e-mail and then will basically just reply confirming it looks like the plan you and i talked about, and that since nobody else has responded objecting you should be able to move forward with it17:09
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sskripnickkzaitsev_mb: i dunno17:09
kzaitsev_mb#startmeeting app-catalog17:10
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  8 17:10:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kzaitsev_mb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:10
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:10
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kzaitsev_mblet's try to do it quick then )17:10
kzaitsev_mbmy only update is17:10
kzaitsev_mb#topic Status Updates17:10
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kzaitsev_mb#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103163.html17:10
kzaitsev_mb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/catalog-dashboard-reorg17:11
kzaitsev_mbwas hoping to get some attention to the patches from kfox and docaedo =) still hoping that we would get the thing done before rc117:11
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kzaitsev_mbsskripnick: anything you want to log?17:12
kzaitsev_mb#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-September/004707.html17:12
sskripnickwe mostly finished glare catalog integration. we need only synchronize changes in artifact types17:12
sskripnickthats why http://r-ci.tk:8100/#/ is empty now17:13
sskripnickthats it17:13
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fungizynzel: you had something to mention in the official meeting log as well?17:14
kzaitsev_mb#link http://r-ci.tk:8100/#/17:14
zynzelfungi: kzaitsev_mb already pasted link :)17:14
fungifair enough17:14
zynzelnothing more, waiting for ack from infra - that everything there is ok for them17:14
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fungii'm still struggling to catch up on e-mail and then will basically just reply confirming it looks like the plan you and i talked about, and that since nobody else has responded objecting you should be able to move forward with it17:14
zynzeland we can proceed17:14
fungii was hoping more of the infra team would provide feedback to you on the ml, but they're all also busy so i guess nobody had additional suggestions17:15
zynzelprobably something will pop up during preparing everything17:16
zynzelbut for now, i dont have better idea how we can proceed :)17:16
fungiit always does, and that's fine17:16
fungiplans are not etched in stone17:16
zynzelnext week i will be on PTO, but i will pass sskripnick and kzaitsev_mb contact to somebody who can takeover my stuff17:17
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kzaitsev_mbzynzel: sure17:20
kzaitsev_mbhave a good vacation =)17:20
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zynzelthanks :)17:20
kzaitsev_mbI'm going to wait for maybe 10 more minutes to see if anything/anyone pops up17:21
kzaitsev_mband if not — would end the meeting early.17:21
igormarnat_So when we switch?17:22
igormarnat_kzaitsev_mb: ?17:23
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kzaitsev_mbigormarnat_: if there are no objections to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-September/004707.html — then it's up to zynzel to implement that path17:25
zynzelso i will use numbers from this email17:26
igormarnat_sure17:26
zynzel4) should be prepared by sskripnick17:27
zynzel5), 6) are in progress17:27
zynzel3) is +/- ready17:27
zynzelso we are mostly waiting for 4, 5, 6 after that we can glue everything together17:27
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sskripnickwe also need to release glare. i believe glare release and app-catalog will be ready in 24 hours +-17:28
igormarnat_who works on 5, 6?17:28
zynzeligormarnat_: peter zhurba17:28
igormarnat_any CRs?17:28
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zynzel#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364307/17:29
zynzel#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362950/17:29
zynzelafter puppet-glare will be ready, he will push puppet code to this repo, but for now we are struggling with creating repos17:29
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igormarnat_zynzel: got it, thank you! Do you think we can do it this week?17:31
zynzelthis week, you mean tomorrow? or next week?17:31
igormarnat_Well, I meant this, tomorrow17:32
igormarnat_But probably it's unlikely17:32
zynzelwe dont have any lever over openstack team to create this repo17:32
zynzelwe can ask them kindly, but as you see this change hangs there for week17:32
igormarnat_zynzel: besides going around chats and crying ...17:32
igormarnat_zynzel: I know:)17:33
igormarnat_Thank you for summary!17:33
zynzelsure :)17:33
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igormarnat_zynzel: so who'll put it all together next week?17:34
docaedosorry for not being around - have been traveling, just got back to home, still lots of jet lag for me :)17:35
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docaedoI'll respond regarding the murano and app-catalog UI thread later today, will be setting that up so I can take a look17:35
zynzeligormarnat_: dunno, tomorrow i will talk with szymon17:35
igormarnat_zynzel: ok17:35
igormarnat_docaedo: Hi! I think we are done actually:)17:36
zynzeldocaedo: you can check http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-September/004707.html17:37
zynzelto know what we plan :)17:37
kzaitsev_mb#addchair docaedo17:38
docaedozynzel: yep will take a look17:39
kzaitsev_mbdocaedo: thanks in advance for the feedback )17:39
docaedozynzel: oh yeah, saw that message, but have been away on other business in other time zone, so much to catch up on17:39
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docaedoI just wanted to pop in and let you know I'll circle back ASAP and give some feedback so things aren't waiting on me17:40
zynzeldocaedo: yep, sure17:40
kzaitsev_mbsure =) I'm at the end of a meeting, so still a bit sporadic17:40
docaedonp17:41
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kzaitsev_mblooks like we're out of topics and can end the meeting folks )17:51
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kzaitsev_mb#endmeeting17:52
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SumitNaiksatamivar-laz_: igordcard: hi18:00
igordcardSumitNaiksatam: hi18:00
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: hi18:00
SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  8 18:01:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
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SumitNaiksatam#info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#Sept_8th_201618:01
rkukurahi18:02
SumitNaiksatam#topic Quality of Service support via NSPs18:02
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SumitNaiksatam#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30170118:02
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: thanks for following up on this patch and getting the integration tests to pass18:02
SumitNaiksatami put some comments earlier today18:03
SumitNaiksatambut this mostly looks good to me18:03
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SumitNaiksatamit does what we agreed to in the spec18:03
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam, igordcard I’m reviewing it, and will have at least one comment that will need to be addressed.18:03
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: sure, thanks for the review18:03
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: major issue?18:03
rkukurajust in the devstack config, so far18:03
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: ah okay, sure18:04
SumitNaiksatami did go through that18:04
rkukuraThe way its setting ml2 extension_drivers will break apic_aim, and not allow overrding in local.conf.18:05
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: ah okay, i did not think of that18:05
SumitNaiksatamgood point18:05
rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: This is one example of why we need to get CI running with ENABLE_APIC_AIM, as well as without.18:05
igordcardthanks, I'll address that18:05
SumitNaiksatamrkukura: yes, i need to add the job18:06
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rkukuraigordcard: I have a recommendation in the comment18:06
SumitNaiksatamshould have done it before18:06
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SumitNaiksatamigordcard: not sure you got a chance to see my comments18:06
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SumitNaiksatamsongole: hi, thanks for joining18:07
igordcardsorry SumitNaiksatam not yet18:07
songolehi18:07
igordcardI-m checking now18:08
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: okay no problem, i think the only ones which really need fixing are FK name, and the on-delete constraint18:08
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: sure18:08
* songole multiplexing. wil be slow to respond..18:08
SumitNaiksatamsongole: np18:08
SumitNaiksatamsongole: we are discussing igordcard’s qos patch18:08
SumitNaiksatamsongole: which mostly looks good to me18:08
songoleok. will review today/tomorrow18:09
SumitNaiksatamsongole: thanks18:09
SumitNaiksatamthat patch is actually nicely done and easy to review18:09
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igordcardoh good catch SumitNaiksatam18:10
igordcardyeah I'll address all comments tomorrow18:11
SumitNaiksatamigordcard: np18:11
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SumitNaiksatamanything else on igordcard’s patch?18:11
SumitNaiksatam#topic Open Discussion18:12
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SumitNaiksatamsongole: the NFP patches are still pending review18:12
SumitNaiksatamsongole: any blockers?18:13
songoledid anyone get a chance to review the patches18:13
SumitNaiksatamsongole: sorry, i did not18:13
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rkukuraI have not either, sorry18:13
SumitNaiksatamsongole: but i thought you and hemanthravi were handling these set of patches?18:13
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SumitNaiksatamsongole: let us know if there are any blockers18:14
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SumitNaiksatamrkukura: anything else you want to discuss today?18:15
songolewe have tested on neutron. We wanted to test on ACI setup before merging it18:15
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rkukuraSumitNaiksatam: nothing from me today18:15
SumitNaiksatamsongole: okay, i think that is sane thing to do, so i appreciate you not merging :-)18:15
SumitNaiksatamalright, then we will wrap up for today18:16
SumitNaiksatamthanks all for joining!18:16
SumitNaiksatambye18:16
SumitNaiksatam#endmeeting18:16
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SWDevAngelHi Shamail18:58
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SWDevAngelDoes anyone know, is the Non-ATC Recognition Team Meeting happening here today?19:02
SWDevAngelOkay, I'm guessing the meeting was cancelled and I missed the memo. ;)  Laters......19:05
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anteayaSWDevAngel: is this the meeting you mean? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-September/001235.html19:26
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SWDevAngelYes thank you. itshamail just let me know it was cancelled. I guess I wasn't on the ML where they sent out the memo. ;)19:38
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anteayaSWDevAngel: ah yes, so many memos, also that you call it Non-ATC Recognition and the email calls it AUC19:49
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SWDevAngelYes, I know. I took the title from the subject like of the Google Calendar Meeting Info, so there's a bit of inconsistency. ;)19:57
anteayakay19:57
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SWDevAngelIt's a bit hectic these days. I literally show up wherever my calendar tells me to go at that moment... and that meeting was still on the calendar. ;) No worries! Thanks for the info. :)19:58
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anteayawelcome20:03
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DevonBoatwright#startmeeting ops_guide21:30
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  8 21:30:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is DevonBoatwright. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:30
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:30
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ops_guide'21:30
DevonBoatwrightHey everyone!21:30
DevonBoatwrightIs anyone here yet?21:30
DevonBoatwrightSo... is it just me?21:31
DevonBoatwrightI will brb.21:32
darrencHi DevonBoatwright21:33
DevonBoatwrightOh hi darren!21:33
DevonBoatwrightHeard it ding and ran back to the computer21:33
darrenchaha21:33
DevonBoatwrightSo.. Shilla and I have a bit of an issue. We run the local meetup group and need to get to a meetup we organized.21:34
darrencI think we need two more people to reach quorum21:34
DevonBoatwrightSo I cannot run the meeting. And neither can she. I am wondering if we might be able to suggest a new meeting time?21:34
DevonBoatwrightIt seems we both run into issues frequently with this time slot.21:34
DevonBoatwrightEven an hour earlier would work better? Would that work for others?21:35
darrencyes, makes sense21:35
darrencErm not for me21:35
DevonBoatwrightI thought I would be able to run today and she could get to the meetup first, but DC traffic is keeping her from getting to the meetup on time21:35
darrenchalf hour earlier would work for me21:35
DevonBoatwrightok. We need a time that works for you, too. :)21:35
DevonBoatwrightHmmm... that might work. Or a morning time. I can't remember what the time is there for you21:36
DevonBoatwrightIt's 5:30pm here21:36
darrencMiddle of the night :)21:36
darrenc7:30am here21:36
DevonBoatwrightOh wow. OK. So would a morning work for you? Can we revisit this over email?21:37
darrenctimezones are hard21:37
DevonBoatwrightI have to leave in a couple minuutes or I will be late to the meetup, too21:37
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darrencyep mornings are good21:37
darrencok, let's cancel this meeting and I'll email the team to revise the meeting time21:37
DevonBoatwrightok. Let's take this maybe to an email thread and we can set up a new meeting. Thanks Darren and really sorry about this21:37
DevonBoatwrightOK. Sounds great!21:37
darrencno worries21:37
DevonBoatwrightThanks for getting on21:38
DevonBoatwright#endmeeting21:38
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Sep  8 21:38:06 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)21:38
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-09-08-21.30.html21:38
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-09-08-21.30.txt21:38
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-09-08-21.30.log.html21:38
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