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| * jlvillal waits patiently... | 17:00 | |
| lucasagomes | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 19 17:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lucasagomes. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| mgould | o/ | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | who's here for the meeting ? | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | \Oi!/ | 17:00 |
| mat128 | o/ | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:01 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:01 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:01 |
| lucasagomes | Welcome all | 17:01 |
| lucasagomes | #topic Announcements / Reminders | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements / Reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
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| lucasagomes | the only annoucement that I have this week is that jroll is planning to release ironic, IPA, inspector and bifrost this week | 17:02 |
| lucasagomes | anyone has anything else ? | 17:02 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: we got the 4 Fishbowl and 4 other rooms i think. in the summit | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | Vote for PTL? | 17:02 |
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| lucasagomes | rloo, a-ha cool I didn't know we already decided thanks | 17:02 |
| lucasagomes | jlvillal, ++ | 17:02 |
| lucasagomes | so the PTL elections are opened, if you contributed with Ironic in the last cycle (and the one before I think) you will have a link in your email | 17:03 |
| lucasagomes | please vote :-) | 17:03 |
| vdrok | yup, and contributor meetup | 17:03 |
| lucasagomes | vdrok, cool, that's on friday afternoon ? | 17:03 |
| rloo | lucasagomes et al: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103560.html | 17:03 |
| vdrok | lucasagomes: yup | 17:03 |
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| lucasagomes | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103560.html | 17:03 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 17:03 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, great! | 17:04 |
| lucasagomes | ok I think that's all for announcements, let's move on | 17:04 |
| lucasagomes | #topic subteam status updates | 17:04 |
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| rloo | thx to all for bug smash! | 17:04 |
| lucasagomes | oh yeah, that was a success :-) | 17:05 |
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| lucasagomes | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | everyone can take a moment to review those | 17:05 |
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| lucasagomes | ^ | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | starts at L78 | 17:05 |
| rloo | I took a look at the HIGH bugs after the bug smash. I didn't see any (except for one that was fixed) that was urgent for newton. Anyone else think otherwise? | 17:05 |
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| lucasagomes | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-bug-smash | 17:06 |
| lucasagomes | this is the etherpad with the bugs we looked at the bug smash session btw | 17:06 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: that reminds me; there are a few bugs that needed discussion? | 17:07 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, yes we currently have 3 bugs listed | 17:07 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, maybe we can discuss those in the open session for this meeting ? | 17:07 |
| lucasagomes | tho we are missing some people today | 17:07 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: we can look/discuss if we have time later :) | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, ++ | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, the agent is very light so, I guess we will do | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | s/do// | 17:08 |
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| mat128 | s/agent/agenda ? | 17:08 |
| rloo | last week, devananda had mentioned something not being tested wrt the keystone policy support. does anyone know more about that? is there a patch to review? | 17:09 |
| lucasagomes | mat128, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:09 |
| jroll | there's a test deva wanted but it isnt working yet | 17:09 |
| jroll | on mobile, don't have a link | 17:09 |
| mat128 | "the agent is very light" | 17:09 |
| mat128 | nvm | 17:09 |
| jroll | rloo ^ | 17:09 |
| lucasagomes | mat128, my bad... | 17:10 |
| jroll | basically the test ensures all api calls have the policy enforcement | 17:10 |
| vdrok | jroll: https://review.openstack.org/350177 ? | 17:10 |
| rloo | jroll: ok. so we are good to release ironic w/o that test? | 17:10 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350177/ | 17:10 |
| jroll | probably fine rloo | 17:10 |
| lucasagomes | that's the link for devananda's patch ^ | 17:10 |
| rloo | the only other thing i remember that we wanted (maybe) in newton is notifications. i don't know if the power state notifications will make it, needs more work still. | 17:11 |
| rloo | other than those, is there *anything* we are waiting on, before a newton release? | 17:11 |
| gabriel-bezerra | well.. | 17:11 |
| gabriel-bezerra | drivers considered here? | 17:11 |
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| rloo | gabriel-bezerra: no, not considering drivers. HI priority stuff. | 17:12 |
| gabriel-bezerra | ok | 17:12 |
| lucasagomes | gabriel-bezerra, well unless it's hi priority but I don't think we have any for specific drivers | 17:12 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 17:12 |
| jroll | rloo, I'd like to get some of the install guide move done if we can, else we will need to backport it | 17:12 |
| lucasagomes | that said, ocata will be open very soon | 17:12 |
| gabriel-bezerra | we have inband inspection for oneview drivers. I believe we got a +2 from crhis | 17:12 |
| rloo | jroll: OH. yeah, that makes sense. will look at it today/tomorrow. | 17:12 |
| jroll | but easy to backport so not a big deal | 17:12 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, do we have a date already for ocata ? | 17:12 |
| vdrok | maybe this, I'll fix it tomorrow, but it depends on devstack-gate patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329625/9 | 17:13 |
| mat128 | jroll, rloo: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1612278 | 17:13 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: after we release, my goal is this week | 17:13 |
| lucasagomes | ack | 17:13 |
| gabriel-bezerra | lucasagomes, rloo: that's our main point for newton. | 17:13 |
| stendulker | lucasagomes: there are few REF needs code review for iLO drivers | 17:13 |
| rloo | stendulker: rfe's? | 17:13 |
| stendulker | rloo: yes, no-spec ones | 17:14 |
| jroll | pretty late for any features | 17:14 |
| lucasagomes | stendulker, right, yeah those will be probably be reviewed after the release this week | 17:14 |
| * jroll would like to make a point to get some lagging driver things done in ocata | 17:14 | |
| rloo | jroll: ++ | 17:15 |
| stendulker | lucasagomes: also config drive pieces left... | 17:15 |
| stendulker | have a +2 from John | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | stendulker, hmm that's configdrive for whole disk image + iscsi ? | 17:15 |
| stendulker | lucasagomes: yes | 17:15 |
| gabriel-bezerra | what is the policy regarding bugfixes after the release of this week? | 17:15 |
| NobodyCam | ++ | 17:15 |
| rloo | gabriel-bezerra: please fix? | 17:16 |
| jroll | gabriel-bezerra: typical backport policy | 17:16 |
| lucasagomes | that's actually a good thing to fix, I will take a look after the meeting stendulker | 17:16 |
| rloo | gabriel-bezerra: or do you mean, can they be backported to newton. | 17:16 |
| stendulker | lucasagomes: thank you | 17:16 |
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| jroll | lucasagomes: ++ | 17:16 |
| gabriel-bezerra | yes, it is about porting to newton | 17:16 |
| rloo | gabriel-bezerra: yeah, can be backported according to policy. anyone have that link? | 17:17 |
| lucasagomes | gabriel-bezerra, http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html | 17:17 |
| lucasagomes | that guide list what is acceptable to be backported and what is not | 17:17 |
| gabriel-bezerra | thank you | 17:17 |
| lucasagomes | #link http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html | 17:17 |
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| lucasagomes | cool, should we move on ? | 17:18 |
| rloo | + move on | 17:18 |
| lucasagomes | #topic Open Discussion | 17:18 |
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| lucasagomes | anything? rloo maybe we can take a look at those bugs ? | 17:19 |
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| * jroll has nothing | 17:19 | |
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| jroll | oh, don't forget to submit summit session things :) | 17:19 |
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| mat128 | you guys had questions during the bug smash session re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1567629 | 17:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1567629 in Ironic "[RFE] Nova graphical console support" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Mathieu Mitchell (mat128) | 17:19 |
| lucasagomes | ah also, today I've deployed a image on a VM +UEFI + iPXE on fedora 24. I will soon try to make it work on ubuntu 16.04 | 17:19 |
| lucasagomes | do we want forsee having a UEFI test in gate ? | 17:19 |
| lucasagomes | I think it would be a good addition | 17:20 |
| gabriel-bezerra | news on oneview ci: we have made good progress in getting it back up. some configuration issues are showing up. | 17:20 |
| rloo | gabriel-bezerra: good news | 17:20 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: I would love one :) | 17:20 |
| jroll | gabriel-bezerra: awesome | 17:20 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: seems like a good idea to me. unless it takes hours to test :) | 17:20 |
| gabriel-bezerra | :) | 17:20 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, should be the same, you just need to install some extra packages (uefi firmware) and add some tags in the libvirt XML thing | 17:20 |
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| lucasagomes | rloo, but yeah, should be the same as testing BIOS | 17:21 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: that'd be great! | 17:21 |
| mgould | lucasagomes++ | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | if it works in ubuntu :-) I dunno yet | 17:21 |
| mgould | and +1 to testing UEFI in CI | 17:21 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: would be cool to just add it to a job if we can, rather than a new job | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, indeed, we can change one of the pxe_ipmitool jobs actually because would be good to test with a partition image | 17:22 |
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| jroll | yeah | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | to see if the ESP partition (the efi partition) was created successfully and all that | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | mat128, hmm not that I remember, it was an async session to be honest | 17:23 |
| gabriel-bezerra | btw, should we be moving the ci jobs to xenial? | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | so people were looking at different bugs at the same time, i don't recall talking deeply about the nova console support | 17:24 |
| mat128 | lucasagomes: ok no problem :) I am author/assignee of the bug but couldnt attend the bug smash session | 17:24 |
| jroll | gabriel-bezerra: infra is mostly doing that work with our help as needed | 17:24 |
| vdrok | as for allowing ~ in the patch keys, if the rfc states it, why not allow it in ironic? | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | mat128, I see the tag needs-spec was added to that RFE, do you agree with it ? | 17:24 |
| mat128 | yup, it does need a spec | 17:25 |
| rloo | mat128: I just looked at that. the notes say 'probably needs a summit session' | 17:25 |
| jroll | vdrok: +1 | 17:25 |
| * mat128 wont be at the summit, but yeah, needs a discussion at least | 17:25 | |
| gabriel-bezerra | jroll: thks. so no urgency for 3rd party ci moving to that before ocata starts, right? | 17:25 |
| lucasagomes | mat128, oh :-( | 17:25 |
| rloo | mat128: too bad. then we should move discussions etc to the spec proposal. | 17:25 |
| mat128 | yeah, that would work best for me | 17:26 |
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| jroll | gabriel-bezerra: yeah nbd right now, lets do it in ocata | 17:26 |
| gabriel-bezerra | thanks | 17:26 |
| vdrok | lucasagomes: what's the plan on releasing ironic-staging-drivers ? | 17:26 |
| vdrok | this week too? | 17:27 |
| * jlvillal wonders if we can get mat128 access to that little robot thing that displays his face on a screen and he can show up for the meeting :) | 17:27 | |
| mat128 | sure :) | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | vdrok, I've released it recently, I don't think we actually added anything else since | 17:27 |
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| lucasagomes | vdrok, I still have to look at the ansible driver, I'm sorry for that I didn't have the time | 17:27 |
| mat128 | My wife will be 38 weeks pregnant during the summit, no way I'm flying to another continent | 17:27 |
| vdrok | lucasagomes: yeah, that's what pas-ha eagerly wants :) | 17:27 |
| mat128 | :) | 17:27 |
| jroll | gotta drop, thanks for running this lucasagomes | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | vdrok, that said, ironic-staging-driver have an independent release, what about releasing it once we get that drver in ? | 17:28 |
| pas-ha | lucasagomes: ++ | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, see ya later in the channel | 17:28 |
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| vdrok | lucasagomes: yup, that works of course, thanks | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | mat128, congratulations in advance :-) | 17:28 |
| mat128 | lucasagomes: thank you :) | 17:29 |
| mgould | mat128: congratulations! | 17:29 |
| rloo | congrats in advance mat128! | 17:29 |
| gabriel-bezerra | congrats, mat128! | 17:29 |
| mat128 | oh wow, thanks everyone :) | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | :D | 17:30 |
| vdrok | mat128: yeah, that's a valid reason to skip :D | 17:30 |
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| rloo | vdrok: i don't have an opinion on ~ or / (wrt https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1604148) | 17:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1604148 in Ironic "Cannot patch keys that contain ~ or /" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Brad Morgan (morgabra) | 17:30 |
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| vdrok | rloo: well, me too, but we state in api-ref that we comply to this rfc | 17:30 |
| vdrok | so I think we'd better to fully comply :) | 17:31 |
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| vdrok | or that's another one, lemme look | 17:31 |
| rloo | vdrok: i didn't know that we said we complied with that rfc. | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | vdrok, ++ yeah we still lack some operatorions (e.g move) to fully comply to that rfc | 17:31 |
| lucasagomes | but would be good to don't diverge much from it | 17:32 |
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| mat128 | can't find any mention of RFC on http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/baremetal/index.html | 17:32 |
| mat128 | but that doesnt mean we never claimed supporting it | 17:32 |
| rloo | well, i don't see this as a 'diverge' but as a restriction to. | 17:32 |
| * mgould also has to skip out: good night, everyone! | 17:32 | |
| lucasagomes | I don't see a strong reason also to support ~ and / to be honest, would be good to have a real example | 17:32 |
| vdrok | aha The BODY of the PATCH request must be a JSON PATCH document, adhering to RFC 6902. | 17:32 |
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| vdrok | that's not 6901 | 17:32 |
| mat128 | RFC 6902 mentions ~0 and ~1 | 17:33 |
| vdrok | mat128: yeah ++ | 17:33 |
| rloo | i guess the only reason for supporting that, is if some driver/capability needed it as a key? | 17:34 |
| vdrok | section 4 | 17:34 |
| rloo | or extra/property? | 17:34 |
| rloo | we would never add an attribute with ~ or / | 17:34 |
| rloo | is the problem just with keys, or with values too? | 17:35 |
| mat128 | rloo: I guess you can have them in custom properties, or driver info | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, I haven't tried, seems to be key only (at least for "/") | 17:35 |
| mat128 | Makes me think, this probably triggers a bug with some of the properties stuff we do | 17:35 |
| vdrok | rloo: just for the path | 17:35 |
| vdrok | so yes, the key | 17:35 |
| vdrok | well, looking at the patch, it's one character change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343911/2/ironic/api/controllers/v1/types.py | 17:36 |
| mat128 | vdrok: that patch addresses ~ only, I think | 17:37 |
| mat128 | Oh | 17:37 |
| rloo | i can't think of a reason to *not* allow it. unless we do something funky with the key strings. | 17:37 |
| vdrok | mat128: I think ~0 == / and ~1 == ~ | 17:37 |
| mat128 | yes | 17:37 |
| rloo | i don't really care about how to fix it. the question was whether to actually support it. | 17:37 |
| mat128 | thats the 5 second delay :) | 17:37 |
| rloo | so no one has said NO to supporting it. So we can leave it as a valid bug. right? | 17:37 |
| mat128 | I think we should support them because "The BODY of the PATCH request must be a JSON PATCH document, adhering to RFC 6902." | 17:37 |
| mat128 | rloo: +1 | 17:37 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: we have keys with / downstream | 17:38 |
| jroll | old legacy junk, but it's there | 17:38 |
| rloo | mat128: please add your comment to the bug. | 17:38 |
| mat128 | done already :) | 17:38 |
| rloo | jroll: you too :) | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, one reason for "/" is the python-ironicclient maybe, node-update <node uuid> add properties/capabilities= for example | 17:38 |
| jroll | rloo: it's my downstream teammate that filed it :P | 17:38 |
| mat128 | lucasagomes: thats a path | 17:38 |
| rloo | jroll: ha ha | 17:38 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, urgh hah ack | 17:38 |
| rloo | jroll: would have helped if they had said they had a usecase for i! | 17:39 |
| lucasagomes | ok so, apparently we do have a real use case here | 17:39 |
| vdrok | yeah, client should be updated too I think, unless it supports ~ already | 17:39 |
| mat128 | rloo: that was hinted by the "what should one do if they already have that in the database?" | 17:39 |
| jroll | idk, presumably people file bugs because their usage is broken :/ | 17:39 |
| rloo | mat128: that could be a hypothetical question :) | 17:39 |
| mat128 | rloo: I read it that way initially, but found it was from Brad | 17:40 |
| jlvillal | Is the patch author still working on it? | 17:40 |
| rloo | moving along, here's the next one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1427923 | 17:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1427923 in Ironic "boot device API blocks while waiting on the BMC" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to bin Yu (froyo-bin) | 17:40 |
| lucasagomes | jlvillal, it's been 9 weeks since the patch was updated, but maybe he's waiting for it to be discussed/approved in the bug | 17:40 |
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| jroll | jlvillal: I'm in person with him this week, I can make him keep working on it :D | 17:41 |
| jlvillal | Thanks :) | 17:41 |
| * jroll locks up the beer until that patch is done | 17:41 | |
| mat128 | "New commit from Morgan" | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, one thing is, if we change that return code we need to bump the api version | 17:42 |
| rloo | mat128: i did read brad's three points; his last one about getting these ~/ keys into the db is interesting. | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, but I tend to agree that we should never have a sync call that talks to the bmc | 17:42 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: no problem bumping api version. is there? | 17:43 |
| mat128 | rloo: presumably he's running with that patch downstream | 17:43 |
| jlvillal | Agree with that being a bug. Async is the way to go I would think. (Re: BMC issue). If we did move on.... | 17:43 |
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| jroll | mat128: nope :/ | 17:43 |
| mat128 | ah | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, no, just pointing that as part of fixing that bumping it is a must | 17:43 |
| rloo | jlvillal: i move on and i move back, all at the same time :) | 17:43 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: right. | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, the problem I see with making that async is how the user will actually know that the boot device was set correctly | 17:44 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, perhaps the same target_* fields that we use for power/provision | 17:44 |
| mat128 | ^ I was concerned too | 17:44 |
| mat128 | oh | 17:44 |
| lucasagomes | (+ notifications when we get to that) | 17:44 |
| mat128 | lucasagomes: I would +1 a target_boot_device | 17:45 |
| rloo | so dmitry suggests async in conductor, sync in api. | 17:45 |
| mat128 | rloo: you're still going to wait for the BMC when doing that call | 17:45 |
| rloo | we tend to do async for most things, so i think we should follow a similar async pattern for this. that would be consistent. | 17:45 |
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| rloo | mat128: right, yes, the api sync would be waiting... | 17:46 |
| rloo | mat128: i'm not sure we want to do that, api sync i mean. cuz we don't do that for other things. | 17:46 |
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| mat128 | rloo: additionally, your driver would have to loop for the call to be done prior to restarting the machine | 17:46 |
| rloo | mat128: but we do that at the client level. eg the --wait | 17:46 |
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| lucasagomes | I have to think about it, but yeah, I think the deva's main concern is actually the API being sync (and blocking the user waiting for the bmc) | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | that said, with a new api version we wouldn't break inspector | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | if it does pin on a specific version, I gotta check | 17:47 |
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| rloo | should this be an rfe then? | 17:47 |
| rloo | i mean it is a bug i think, but i think we should agree on a solution before someone goes and codes something we don't like | 17:48 |
| lucasagomes | sounds like a complex bug, but, not sure if it's a feature tho :-/ | 17:48 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, def | 17:48 |
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| vdrok | if it needs to get in in newton, maybe do the same as with power state, timeout? | 17:48 |
| rloo | it doesn't need to get into newton. it was just on the list to discuss | 17:49 |
| lucasagomes | vdrok, honestly I don't think it will get to newton | 17:49 |
| gabriel-bezerra | any reason not to be async on both? | 17:49 |
| lucasagomes | I target ocata for now | 17:49 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, maybe an ML ? | 17:49 |
| mat128 | +1, both should be the same ^ | 17:49 |
| rloo | that's been a bug since early 2015. | 17:49 |
| lucasagomes | to bring attention to that probelm and collect ideas ? | 17:49 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: could try. | 17:49 |
| rloo | i think we (the RoyalWe) need to be better at using the ML to discuss/resolve issues. | 17:50 |
| lucasagomes | someone wants to volunteer to send it ? rloo ? | 17:50 |
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| rloo | one ... two... three... four... | 17:50 |
| rloo | (how long should i wait before someone else volunteers?) | 17:50 |
| rloo | sure :) | 17:50 |
| jroll | I wonder how many people have actually had a problem with this api being async | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | gabriel-bezerra, currently we don't have a mechanism to tell the user whether the change succeed or not ? | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | s/?/ | 17:51 |
| rloo | jroll: doubt that there are many; otherwise i'd think we'd see more folks comment in that bug. or ask about it. | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, apparently it's just an incosistency with the rest of the API | 17:51 |
| gabriel-bezerra | being async on any point would raise that. | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | like power | 17:51 |
| gabriel-bezerra | oh, I get your point. | 17:51 |
| jroll | rloo: right, so I wonder how much effort we put into fixing it :) | 17:52 |
| gabriel-bezerra | so would you suggest adding a lock on the api until getting a "done" somehow from the conductor? | 17:52 |
| rloo | jroll: so i don't know that "we" need to put much effort into it. but i do think that we ought to provide guidance so that if someone wants to fix it, they'll not waste their time doing it in a way that we don't want. | 17:52 |
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| lucasagomes | gabriel-bezerra, it's the other way around, it's set/get boot device is currently sync | 17:53 |
| lucasagomes | gabriel-bezerra, the bug is about making it async | 17:53 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | my first attempt at this would be to make everything async | 17:54 |
| rloo | so i think we're done discussing the bugs in that list. anything else? | 17:54 |
| mat128 | rloo: not for me | 17:54 |
| gabriel-bezerra | I was looking for reasons not to be like that. | 17:54 |
| gabriel-bezerra | rloo: not for me | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | gabriel-bezerra, right, yeah please jump in that bug | 17:55 |
| * jroll has nothing | 17:55 | |
| * lucasagomes nothing from me either | 17:55 | |
| lucasagomes | so I think we can wrap it up | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | thank you all! | 17:55 |
| lucasagomes | #endmeeting | 17:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 19 17:55:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-09-19-17.00.html | 17:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-09-19-17.00.txt | 17:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-09-19-17.00.log.html | 17:55 |
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| flwang1 | #startmeeting zaqar | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 19 18:01:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| flwang1 | any zaqar member around? | 18:04 |
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| flwang1 | ok, meeting cancelled. thanks. | 18:14 |
| flwang1 | #endmeeting | 18:14 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 19 18:14:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-09-19-18.01.html | 18:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-09-19-18.01.txt | 18:14 |
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| darrenc | hello, who's here for the Ops/Arch Guide meeting? | 21:03 |
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| darrenc | anyone? | 21:05 |
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| darrenc | hi ShillaSaebi | 21:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello! | 21:06 |
| darrenc | mrhillsman, you around? | 21:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting ops-guide | 21:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 19 21:06:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_guide' | 21:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi everyone | 21:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | roll call? | 21:07 |
| darrenc | \o | 21:08 |
| mrhillsman | i am here | 21:09 |
| mrhillsman | apologies | 21:09 |
| darrenc | hi! | 21:09 |
| mrhillsman | o/ just finished class | 21:09 |
| darrenc | no worries, thanks for coming | 21:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | awesome so it might be the 3 of us | 21:10 |
| darrenc | I'll see if loquacities is around | 21:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:11 |
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| ShillaSaebi | alright well lets get started in the meantime | 21:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Previous meeting action items | 21:11 |
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| ShillaSaebi | i don't believe there were any particularly | 21:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | Migrate enterprise ops documentation https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366455/ | 21:12 |
| darrenc | Yep, that patch merged | 21:12 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah | 21:12 |
| darrenc | Thanks for providing the info ShillaSaebi | 21:12 |
| loquacities | hi everyone | 21:12 |
| loquacities | i'm in another cons call, but i'm trying to watch this as well | 21:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi loquacities!~ | 21:12 |
| loquacities | :) | 21:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | Bug spotlight: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1457770 | 21:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1457770 in openstack-manuals "Chapter 13. Logging and Monitoring in OpenStack Operations Guide" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 21:13 |
| darrenc | \o | 21:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | Improve logging/monitoring content #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1499114 - Networking troubleshooting tools | 21:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1499114 in openstack-manuals "Document tools for Network Troubleshooting" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Rodrigo Caballero (rodrigo-caballero-abraham) | 21:13 |
| darrenc | Need some volunteers to work on those ops-guide bugs | 21:13 |
| darrenc | I see Rodrigo has taken 1499114 | 21:14 |
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| darrenc | I guess I could ping some nova ppl to work on the first one | 21:16 |
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| darrenc | ok, we can move on :) | 21:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 21:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Ops Guide Discuss #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-Documentation and the direction of the Ops Guide | 21:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ops Guide Discuss #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-Documentation and the direction of the Ops Guide (Meeting topic: ops-guide)" | 21:17 | |
| darrenc | mrhillsman: so how did the docs session go at the ops midcycle? | 21:18 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah i wasn't there for the midcycle | 21:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | hopefully we can get some insight | 21:18 |
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| loquacities | fyi: i've asked for a docs session in the ops track at barcelona | 21:19 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah i saw that email loquacities thank you! | 21:19 |
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| loquacities | np | 21:20 |
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| darrenc | So I guess we're trying to understand the main takeaways of the session | 21:21 |
| darrenc | judging from the etherpad, it doesn't appear many people went to the session? | 21:22 |
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| loquacities | and the message is quite muddled, too | 21:22 |
| darrenc | yep | 21:23 |
| darrenc | there appears to be some discussion on reorganizing content | 21:23 |
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| darrenc | a similar approach to the install guides? | 21:24 |
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| darrenc | which doesn't make sense to me | 21:24 |
| mrhillsman | i was not in the docs session unfortunately | 21:25 |
| mrhillsman | however | 21:25 |
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| mrhillsman | i did as well catch wind of wants to update the ops guide | 21:25 |
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| darrenc | ok, did matt moderate the session? | 21:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | i believe so | 21:26 |
| mrhillsman | he did | 21:26 |
| darrenc | ok | 21:26 |
| mrhillsman | that's why i was not sure why he did not take lead | 21:27 |
| loquacities | huh | 21:27 |
| loquacities | matt told me you moderated it, mrhillsman | 21:27 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 21:27 |
| mrhillsman | nope | 21:27 |
| mrhillsman | i moderated osops < tools | 21:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah and in the etherpad it shows matt moderating as well #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-Documentation | 21:27 |
| mrhillsman | and bringing more collaboration arounds ops in general | 21:27 |
| loquacities | oh, maybe i misunderstood | 21:27 |
| darrenc | me too | 21:28 |
| darrenc | We definitely need more collaboration | 21:28 |
| darrenc | the problem we need more ops ppl dedicated to working on the ops guide | 21:28 |
| darrenc | is* | 21:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 21:29 |
| darrenc | We need to more technical input and direction on the guide | 21:29 |
| mrhillsman | that would make sense | 21:29 |
| darrenc | Do you know who could help? | 21:30 |
| mrhillsman | i can assist as much as possible and we also can lean on openstack-operators irc and mailing list | 21:31 |
| darrenc | ok, I haven't had much luck on the ops ML | 21:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | its definitely been a challenge | 21:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | maybe if we offer some kind of incentive/ | 21:33 |
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| darrenc | swag? :) | 21:33 |
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| ShillaSaebi | that would be cool | 21:34 |
| darrenc | thanks mrhillsman | 21:35 |
| darrenc | I started an etherpad at the start of Newton to review the ops guide https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-guide-reorg | 21:35 |
| darrenc | And removed old content and stuff not relevant to the ops guide | 21:36 |
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| darrenc | and we're moving the architecture chapter over to the ARch Guide | 21:37 |
| darrenc | So if you can take a look at the ops section let us know what needs improving | 21:38 |
| mrhillsman | yeah, ops folks very quiet | 21:38 |
| mrhillsman | generally putting out their own fires | 21:38 |
| mrhillsman | i can definitely help however but will need some guidance in terms of what/where you'd like me to help | 21:39 |
| darrenc | yep :) | 21:39 |
| darrenc | np, I can start a discussion thread on email | 21:41 |
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| ShillaSaebi | i can send more troubleshooting docs | 21:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | :) | 21:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | the enterprise ones | 21:41 |
| darrenc | excellent :) | 21:42 |
| mrhillsman | ok that sounds good | 21:42 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Arch Guide | 21:42 |
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| darrenc | just a quick update | 21:43 |
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| darrenc | so for Newton, we're aiming to complete migration of the mitaka content into the new structure, | 21:45 |
| darrenc | migration of arch chapter in the Ops Guide, and have a solid Arch Guide content structure in place | 21:45 |
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| darrenc | We're also focussed on writing the design chapter | 21:46 |
| darrenc | so it's moving along | 21:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok thats good news | 21:46 |
| darrenc | that's all from me | 21:48 |
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| bsilverman | I agree with Darren | 21:48 |
| bsilverman | :) | 21:48 |
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| ShillaSaebi | great | 21:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic open discussion | 21:50 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anything anyone would like to bring up? | 21:50 |
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| darrenc | nothing from me :) | 21:51 |
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| darrenc | netsplit | 21:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | ditto | 21:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | nows the new meeting time for everyone? | 21:51 |
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| bsilverman | +1 | 21:51 |
| mrhillsman | nothing from me | 21:52 |
| darrenc | it seems to work for the four of us :) | 21:52 |
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| ShillaSaebi | cool | 21:52 |
| ShillaSaebi | awesome | 21:52 |
| ShillaSaebi | well thank you everyone for joining | 21:52 |
| loquacities | thanks :) | 21:52 |
| ShillaSaebi | see you next time! | 21:52 |
| darrenc | thanks everyone! | 21:52 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 21:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 19 21:53:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_guide/2016/ops_guide.2016-09-19-21.06.html | 21:53 |
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