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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 26 16:59:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 16:59 |
| * jroll waits until it's actual time | 16:59 | |
| gabrielbezerra | o/ | 16:59 |
| mat128 | 3 seconds | 16:59 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:00 |
| mat128 | o/ | 17:00 |
| aarefiev | o/ | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:00 |
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| yuriyz|2 | o/ | 17:00 |
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| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
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| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | agenda is here, as always | 17:00 |
| milan | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:00 |
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| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| * jroll jumps right in | 17:00 | |
| mgould | o/ | 17:00 |
| xavierr | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | #topic announcements | 17:00 |
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| mariojv | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | so, we released newton last week | 17:00 |
| mgould | \o/ | 17:01 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | it's PACKED full of features | 17:01 |
| jroll | I think we did very well last cycle | 17:01 |
| NobodyCam | Congrats to returning PLT jroll | 17:01 |
| jroll | so thanks to all of you who contributed :) | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:01 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:01 |
| lucasagomes | ++ good work everyone in this release | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | \o/ | 17:01 |
| rloo | yes, big pat on the back to all of us :D | 17:01 |
| jroll | ++ | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | yeah, you've successfully dodged the risk of having me as a ptl :D | 17:01 |
| xavierr | we are in ocata cycle o/ | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | I'm glad we had two highly qualified candidates running for PTL :) | 17:01 |
| rloo | thanks for running dtantsur, and keeping jroll honest ;) | 17:02 |
| jroll | +1, competition is good | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | :) | 17:02 |
| jroll | dtantsur: thanks for running ;) | 17:02 |
| jroll | :) rather | 17:02 |
| rloo | ha ha | 17:02 |
| jroll | shift finger slipped :P | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | yeah, your ;) looked suspicious | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | heh | 17:02 |
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| jroll | so, moving onto ocata, a couple of things | 17:03 |
| jroll | 1) the grenade job is broken, that should be our top priority right now so we can do work | 17:03 |
| jroll | 2) we need to be talking about summit sessions, the etherpad for suggestions is here | 17:03 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-ocata-summit | 17:03 |
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| rloo | jroll: is 1) broken cuz of ironic? | 17:04 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:04 |
| vdrok | rloo: that's unlikely | 17:04 |
| jroll | 3) we should start looking at specs for this cycle | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | Any ideas what caused breakage? | 17:04 |
| jroll | rloo: unlikely, the instances created on newton code are no longer pinging after upgrading control plane to master | 17:04 |
| rloo | vdrok: ok thx. i was wondering how/what we could do about that, given that jroll said it should be our top priority | 17:04 |
| * jlvillal wonders if that is what he saw on Friday evening. He thought it was a transient issue. | 17:04 | |
| jroll | help debug :) | 17:05 |
| vdrok | I've looked at recent devstack and grenade commits and nothing caught my eye | 17:05 |
| rloo | jroll: gotcha | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | I've just skimmed trhough the logs (see whiteboard) we need more debugs, but tl;dr we can't ping the instance | 17:05 |
| jroll | obviously there's diminishing returns on how many people jump on that | 17:05 |
| lucasagomes | causes could be many | 17:05 |
| jroll | yeah | 17:05 |
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| jroll | nova grenade had a similar issue, which they fixed in grenade code | 17:05 |
| jroll | any other announcements or reminders? | 17:06 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 17:07 |
| rloo | jroll: as far as summit, when do we need to decide on the sessions? | 17:07 |
| mariojv | small announcement - i'm working on ironic full time starting now-ish, in the OSIC group :) | 17:07 |
| rloo | yay mariojv! | 17:07 |
| mariojv | so looking forward to working with everyone more upstream | 17:07 |
| jroll | rloo: I haven't seen a deadline yet, but I'm out the week leading up to it, so let's say by october 14 | 17:07 |
| jroll | mariojv: \o/ | 17:08 |
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| rloo | jroll: so you want to spend the Monday meeting Oct 10, discussing/deciding? | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | mariojv: Woot woot! :) | 17:08 |
| jroll | rloo: how about finalizing? :) | 17:08 |
| jroll | maybe start deciding in the oct 3 meeting | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | mariojv, ++ welcome :-) (tho you've been around already) | 17:09 |
| jroll | which is... next one. wow. | 17:09 |
| rloo | jroll: ok, that is fine with me. i'm going to put that down in the etherpad. | 17:09 |
| * jroll will send an email early this week | 17:09 | |
| jroll | #topic subteam status reports | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:10 | |
| jroll | as always, these are on the whiteboard | 17:10 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:10 |
| jroll | probably not much to review here? | 17:10 |
| jroll | yeah, looks about right, I'll give folks a couple minutes to ask questions though | 17:11 |
| rloo | jroll: can we take keystone policy support out? | 17:11 |
| jroll | reminder, we'll shuffle these around after priorities are decided at the summit | 17:11 |
| jroll | rloo: yes! | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | rloo: we just merged that :P | 17:11 |
| jroll | I think active node can go too, as long as we remember to get the tempest test done | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, you don't have to wait to remove -2 from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366742/ | 17:11 |
| devananda | hi folks! sorry for being late - had trouble getting on the wifi | 17:11 |
| rloo | jroll, jlvillal: sweet. jlvillal -- do you know the patch that got merged? maybe add to the subteam report. | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, it won't pass anyway without ironic-lib, assuming you have tests | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | rloo: I was joking about you taking it out. | 17:12 |
| rloo | jlvillal: whoa. someone already deleted it :-( | 17:12 |
| jroll | rloo: I just removed it from ... yeah | 17:12 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, right, well that's what I mean by "blocked" | 17:12 |
| * jlvillal was not involved | 17:12 | |
| jroll | rloo: not okay? that's been done for a couple weeks | 17:12 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, the -2 is just a flag to people not waste time reviewing it for now | 17:12 |
| rloo | jroll: s'okay, not worth adding back in again :) | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, why not review it? | 17:12 |
| jroll | rloo: heh, okay :) | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes, also W-1 is for letting people know it's not worth reviewing | 17:13 |
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| lucasagomes | dtantsur, right yeah I can lift the -2 and leave WIP only | 17:13 |
| * lucasagomes do that | 17:13 | |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 17:13 |
| mgould | yeah, I thought -2 meant "this entire approach is wrong, please abandon this patch" | 17:13 |
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| * lucasagomes done | 17:14 | |
| jroll | mgould: well, we also use them for process things like "don't merge until ocata" | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | mgould, we also have technical -2s, but this is not one any more | 17:14 |
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| jroll | or spec approval or whatever | 17:14 |
| mgould | ah, OK | 17:14 |
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| rloo | jroll: it isn't here, and maybe it is addressed in qa meeting? do we have to do anything about 3rd party CI? | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor: ^^^ | 17:14 |
| vdrok | mgould: also it's kind of hard to put w-1 on every patch set | 17:14 |
| jroll | rloo: as a subteam report thing? | 17:15 |
| jroll | rloo: there's some documentation we need to write up for driver devs / reviewers | 17:15 |
| jroll | write up / figure out | 17:15 |
| rloo | jroll: oh, i dunno. i was just wondering now that newton is 'out', was there something we needed to do. kick stuff out or what? | 17:15 |
| jroll | rloo: 3 months from deprecation we can drop things, we also need to talk about process for e.g. requiring driver CI to pass when changing that driver, etc | 17:16 |
| rloo | jroll: it does make me wonder if we should have a status thing or pointer to the other ironic-related meetings. | 17:16 |
| jroll | rloo: which sort of status thing? | 17:17 |
| rloo | jroll: dunno, anything of importance from those meetings. eg, ironic-api one, deva's specs. | 17:17 |
| rloo | jroll: just a thought that isn't fully formed yet. | 17:17 |
| jroll | ah, right, maybe | 17:18 |
| jroll | I'd like to rethink subteams as a whole | 17:18 |
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| rloo | jroll: oh, that sounds interesting! | 17:18 |
| jroll | :) | 17:18 |
| * jroll still needs to give it some thought | 17:18 | |
| jroll | anything else on this topic? | 17:19 |
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| krtaylor | not sure, was there a question for me? | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor: Was wondering if there was any thing to put in about 3rd Party CI in the subteam section | 17:20 |
| jroll | krtaylor: we were talking about "what needs to happen for 3rd party CI in ocata" | 17:20 |
| jroll | I think we've got it for now, but feel free to chime in | 17:21 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:21 | |
| dtantsur | REMOVE ALL THE DRIVERS \o/ | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | ok, we did bring up rethinking deprecation policy, but thats all I can think of, other than policing the current policy | 17:21 |
| rloo | dtantsur wants to remove the drivers, so he won't need to do the driver composition reform stuff :) | 17:21 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: not _all_ the drivers... i hope ;) | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | rloo, you knew my plan, how?? | 17:22 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 17:22 |
| rloo | dtantsur: lucky guess | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, let's leave "fake", agreed | 17:22 |
| * dtantsur shuts up | 17:22 | |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: and noop ;) | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | should we start looking at s/_ssh/_ipmitool/ for the tests in gate ? | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes+++ | 17:23 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: ++ | 17:23 |
| mat128 | +1 | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | we could then drop at least 2 jobs on check which is being used for ipmitool now | 17:23 |
| mgould | sounds good | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | cool, I will rpopose a patch | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | propose* | 17:23 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: yes please :) | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | also about gate: wdyt about merging some jobs by launching >1 instances per job? e.g. testing both pxe_<> and agent_<> things in one run? | 17:24 |
| jroll | dtantsur: I would like that | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, ++ | 17:24 |
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| dtantsur | okie, I'll look into what's required for that (I guess some devstack hackery) | 17:24 |
| mgould | do we have any measurements of which code is covered by integration tests? | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | either both drivers or things like pxe_ partition image and whole disk image in the same run | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | with 2 VMs each one deploying one image type | 17:24 |
| jroll | dtantsur: probably | 17:25 |
| jroll | mgould: don't believe so | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | how many "bare metals" can we run in CI with tinyipa now? | 17:25 |
| devananda | we already have jobs that create / launch >1 instance, right? and we default to 3 Nodes in each job anyway, so I think we could just enable >1 driver and assign driver A to node 1, driver B to node 2, ... and then consolidate several jobs that way | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | devananda, this is exactly what I want to do | 17:25 |
| devananda | +1 | 17:25 |
| devananda | I like :) | 17:25 |
| mariojv | +1 | 17:25 |
| pas-ha | Mirants QA folks once wrote a wrapper under which to start services and measure test coverege | 17:25 |
| jroll | dtantsur: I did some math recently, I think we can do 6-7 nodes with tinyipa | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | pas-ha, cool! is it public? | 17:26 |
| pas-ha | I can ask around if for iy | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | jroll, wow, that's a lot! | 17:26 |
| jroll | dtantsur: remember multinode is also coming, so we can scale out too :) | 17:26 |
| mgould | pas-ha: awesome | 17:26 |
| pas-ha | most probably yes, but dug in some obscure repo | 17:26 |
| * jroll would like to try 10x devstack nodes running 5 vms each, just for fun | 17:26 | |
| mgould | that would really ehlp to decide where to focus test effort, IMHO | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | jroll, yeah | 17:26 |
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| mgould | *help | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | pas-ha, that's amazing. milan may be interested on it | 17:27 |
| * milan reads scroll back | 17:27 | |
| dtantsur | jroll, I'd only leave different jobs for things that don't easily co-exist like PXE vs iPXE, BIOS vs UEFI (maybe) | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | but this is a goal for the future :) | 17:27 |
| mgould | BIOS and UEFI *should* coexist | 17:27 |
| jroll | dtantsur: indeed, one thing at a time :) | 17:27 |
| mgould | yep | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | mgould, yeah, my bad. but PXE and iPXE don't | 17:28 |
| * mgould nods | 17:28 | |
| dtantsur | mgould, however, BIOS vs UEFI requires different configuration of VMs... chances to test some capabilities discovery? ;) | 17:28 |
| mgould | heh, why not :-) | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | mgould, ++ | 17:29 |
| pas-ha | dtantsur: we could make pxe and ipxe co-exist | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | yeah it's hard to setup as dtantsur said | 17:29 |
| pas-ha | make an iPXE boot a separate interface, and use dynamic iPXE | 17:29 |
| pas-ha | and configure iPXE-ish driver per node | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | pas-ha, even without dynamic iPXE, but I don't imagine a use case | 17:29 |
| milan | pas-ha, cool, we used to have a tool for remote/multi-node coverage stats: https://github.com/RedHatQE/python-moncov (though it collects to redis not mongo ;) | 17:30 |
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| pas-ha | dtantsur: a zoo of hardware | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | pas-ha, probably.. worth an RFE? | 17:30 |
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| * milan didn't run it in a while, most likely the entropy ate it already | 17:30 | |
| pas-ha | milan, same for our scripts | 17:31 |
| pas-ha | dtantsur: will do | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 17:31 |
| vdrok | fyi a couple of related patches - https://review.openstack.org/369021 and a job already there - https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/jenkins/jobs/ironic.yaml#L1068 | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | oh cool! | 17:31 |
| pas-ha | ^ that's multinode | 17:31 |
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| pas-ha | or rather multitest | 17:32 |
| vdrok | yeah, we can do the tests with pxe, then reconfigure and do with ipxe, kind of similar thing | 17:33 |
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| jroll | anything else we should chat about here, or shall we head back to channel? | 17:34 |
| jroll | alright, thanks everyone | 17:35 |
| vdrok | thanks | 17:35 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:35 | |
| lucasagomes | ty all | 17:35 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 26 17:35:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:35 |
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| pas-ha | bye | 17:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-09-26-16.59.html | 17:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-09-26-16.59.txt | 17:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-09-26-16.59.log.html | 17:35 |
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