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| njohnston__ | #startmeeting fwaas | 04:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 04:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is njohnston__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fwaas' | 04:00 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 04:00 |
| njohnston__ | Hello, FWaaS friends! | 04:00 |
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| chandanc_ | Hello all | 04:00 |
| yushiro | Hi | 04:00 |
| padkrish | hi all | 04:01 |
| njohnston__ | #chair SridarK xgerman yushiro | 04:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK njohnston__ xgerman yushiro | 04:01 |
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| SridarK | Lets get started | 04:01 |
| yushiro | thanks njohnston :) | 04:01 |
| SridarK | #topic FWaaS v2 | 04:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FWaaS v2 (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:02 | |
| SridarK | we can focus on the CLI and L2 for any needed discussion | 04:02 |
| SridarK | yushiro: on the CLI - pls go ahead floor is yours | 04:02 |
| yushiro | SridarK: OK, thanks | 04:03 |
| SridarK | i added one comment on the etherpad | 04:03 |
| yushiro | Currently, I posted the CLI(PS 20) | 04:03 |
| SridarK | if we can refer to v2 as firewallgroup ? | 04:03 |
| SridarK | and v1 as firewall | 04:03 |
| SridarK | to distinguish the resources | 04:03 |
| yushiro | SridarK: Currently, yes. | 04:03 |
| yushiro | However, I'd like to discuss firewall-policy and firewall-rule. | 04:04 |
| SridarK | another proposal from njohnston earlier was to see if we can query the plugin version | 04:04 |
| SridarK | yushiro: yes pls go ahead | 04:04 |
| yushiro | Adding prefix like "_v2" is previous discussion with SridarK and chandanc_ | 04:04 |
| njohnston | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas-v2-cli Etherpad for discussion of the FWaaS CLI | 04:04 |
| yushiro | njohnston, Thanks! | 04:04 |
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| yushiro | OSC plugin cannot use "_" for resource name. I think it is programmatic constraint. | 04:06 |
| SridarK | i was wondering if instead of _v2 we can use firewallgroup | 04:06 |
| SridarK | so the policy would be: | 04:06 |
| SridarK | openstack firewallgroup policy create | 04:06 |
| SridarK | and openstack firewall policy create would be the equivalent in v1 | 04:07 |
| SridarK | in the event if we had to go with OSC for v1 | 04:07 |
| njohnston | If we don't build v1 support into OSC, then can we just use 'firewall'? | 04:08 |
| SridarK | njohnston: i think if we know that we will never support v1 in OSC - we have more flexibility | 04:09 |
| njohnston | I agree, it would be much more flexibility, and it would let us use the choice that is easiest for customers to understand | 04:09 |
| SridarK | our data models for policy and rule btwn v1 and v2 do not overlap either | 04:09 |
| SridarK | so we keep them all separate | 04:10 |
| chandanc_ | we can use "firewall" for v2 and "firewallv1"for v1 (if we need to) | 04:10 |
| yushiro | SridarK: openstack firewallgroup policy create got an error like "is not an openstack command. See 'openstack --help'" | 04:10 |
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| njohnston | Does anyone have any reasons why they think we should support v1 in OSC? This would be as opposed to just leaving the current support it is currently. | 04:10 |
| SridarK | njohnston: good point, yushiro: do all current CLI have to move to OSC ? | 04:11 |
| SridarK | yushiro: oh i am confused on the error | 04:12 |
| njohnston | python-neutronclient CLI will be deprecated in O, which means it will be removed in Q. We can let fwaas v1 CLI attrite out at that time | 04:12 |
| SridarK | is it some limitation the string len | 04:12 |
| yushiro | SridarK, njohnston : I found some etherpad to integrate from python-neutronclient to OSC plugin. Just a moment, I'll find it. | 04:13 |
| yushiro | Anyway, I'll reach out akihiro and hear about it. | 04:14 |
| yushiro | OK, let me go back to the discussion b/w v1 and v2. | 04:15 |
| SridarK | chandanc_: we can resort to that, i was hoping we can avoid v1 and v2 reference directly in the CLI | 04:15 |
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| yushiro | First, if the fwaas v1 is enabled, in this case, if we execute "openstack firewallgroup create foo", | 04:15 |
| chandanc_ | SridarK, totally agree | 04:15 |
| SridarK | to the best of my knowledge, i dont think there is a precedence for it | 04:15 |
| yushiro | The result is "The resource could not be found.<br /><br /> Neutron server returns request_ids..." | 04:16 |
| njohnston | I think we should say that the only CLI for v1 is python-neutronclient, and the only CLI for v2 is OSC. | 04:16 |
| SridarK | yushiro: that would be ok correct as v2 is not enabled ? | 04:16 |
| yushiro | SridarK: Yes, v2 is not enabled. | 04:17 |
| yushiro | njohnston: ah, if so, it is the easiest to understand. v1 -> use python-neutronclient, v2 -> use OSC plugin | 04:17 |
| njohnston | precisely | 04:17 |
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| yushiro | However, some attention is necessary into somewhere document :) | 04:17 |
| SridarK | if we can do that then makes it easier | 04:18 |
| njohnston | I agree, we will need to document that and let the customers know | 04:18 |
| yushiro | OK, I'll reach out akihiro about that. | 04:18 |
| njohnston | it also makes it obvious that v2 is the future | 04:18 |
| SridarK | one thing is that we have this terminology of firewallgroup introduced in v2 | 04:18 |
| chandanc_ | but it may catch some people by surprise | 04:18 |
| SridarK | so we can align our CLI around that | 04:18 |
| SridarK | and not use the reference of firewall | 04:19 |
| njohnston | chandanc_: I agree, it may... but once we get the CLI set for the way we want, we have the O cycle to message to our users | 04:19 |
| SridarK | BTW, this was not my preferred approach to introduce a new notion of firewallgroup but since we are here ... | 04:19 |
| xgerman | o/ | 04:19 |
| chandanc_ | njohnston, I am all in for it, just being careful :) | 04:19 |
| yushiro | Thanks all, 1 suggestion. If we use "firewallgroup", how about to align with other resources? like "firewallpolicy", "firewallrule". | 04:21 |
| yushiro | e.g. "os firewallgroup create foo", "os firewallpolicy create mypolicy", ... | 04:21 |
| xgerman | that’s a lot of typing | 04:21 |
| chandanc_ | +1 | 04:22 |
| njohnston | and I think the more natural OSC way would be "openstack firewall group create foo"... "openstack firewall policy create mypolicy" | 04:22 |
| njohnston | my only objection to "openstack firewallgroup" is that it is less clear than "openstack firewall". I can imagine a user asking innocently, "Can I use that command if I don't want to create a whole group of firewalls, I just want to create one?" Oh, and it is a lot of typing :-) | 04:22 |
| yushiro | xgerman, chandanc_ : indeed! | 04:22 |
| yushiro | njohnston: Sure. so... current implementation is as you specified one :) | 04:23 |
| SridarK | njohnston: my only concern is that we have no resource called firewall | 04:23 |
| yushiro | SridarK: ah, that's a good point. Let's clarify whether "a group of a firewall' or "firewallgroup". | 04:24 |
| SridarK | i think the reasons for the naming came from securitygroup | 04:25 |
| SridarK | since we refer to a rule in a securitygroup as a securitygroup rule .. | 04:25 |
| SridarK | sorry i dont want to come off as being religious here | 04:25 |
| njohnston | I would vote to break with SG precedent in this particular case | 04:26 |
| SridarK | njohnston: i will not object too much here | 04:27 |
| yushiro | SridarK: I noticed that SG in OSC is as follows: security group create | 04:27 |
| yushiro | security group delete | 04:27 |
| yushiro | security group list | 04:27 |
| yushiro | security group rule create | 04:27 |
| yushiro | security group rule delete | 04:27 |
| yushiro | security group rule list | 04:27 |
| yushiro | security group rule show | 04:27 |
| yushiro | security group set | 04:27 |
| yushiro | security group show | 04:27 |
| njohnston | OK, so we are 27 minutes in, let's bring this to a close. I'm not sure we have consensus at this point. | 04:27 |
| SridarK | yushiro: ok then that makes sense | 04:27 |
| yushiro | njohnston: yes, but please go ahead. Thank you. | 04:28 |
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| SridarK | njohnston: i think by reflecting our documentation appropriately we will be good | 04:28 |
| njohnston | SridarK: I agree. But what did we decide? Should we vote? | 04:29 |
| SridarK | i am ok with this security group model | 04:29 |
| SridarK | i think we are on the same page here ? | 04:29 |
| njohnston | So you would say s/security group/firewallgroup/? | 04:29 |
| chandanc_ | looks good to me as well | 04:30 |
| SridarK | yes | 04:30 |
| SridarK | oh | 04:30 |
| SridarK | firewall group | 04:30 |
| chandanc_ | ^ +1 | 04:30 |
| SridarK | firewall group policy | 04:30 |
| njohnston | sure, I am fine with that | 04:30 |
| SridarK | firewall group rule | 04:30 |
| xgerman | works for me | 04:30 |
| yushiro | SridarK: OK, I agree with you. | 04:30 |
| njohnston | is there anything that can go after 'firewall' other than 'group'? Just for clarity. | 04:31 |
| chandanc_ | any think other then group may mean V1, in case we need v1 in OSC | 04:31 |
| chandanc_ | * anything | 04:32 |
| SridarK | chandanc_: yes that can be plan b in case we have to do v1 in OSC even though we prefer not to go there | 04:32 |
| chandanc_ | yes sure | 04:33 |
| xgerman | SridarK +1 | 04:33 |
| njohnston | OK, so it sounds like we have reached a compromise? | 04:34 |
| SridarK | njohnston: are u comfortable with this ? | 04:34 |
| chandanc_ | i am good with the proposal | 04:34 |
| njohnston | I think the word 'group' is extraneous, personally, but I don't care enough to make too big a fuss about it. | 04:35 |
| SridarK | yushiro: a discussion with akhiro will be good too, as he provides a good direction in terms of UI | 04:36 |
| yushiro | SridarK: thanks. I think so. | 04:36 |
| njohnston | +1 | 04:36 |
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| SridarK | ok i think we have enough inputs here | 04:36 |
| njohnston | #agreed the base for FWaaS OSC commands will be 'openstack firewall group...' | 04:37 |
| SridarK | yushiro: i think once u can get a discussion with akihiro - perhaps u can send us an update via email and move fwd | 04:37 |
| yushiro | SridarK: Of course I will :) | 04:37 |
| SridarK | yushiro: i know u are working on a tight deadline this week too :-) | 04:37 |
| SridarK | ok i think we can move fwd to the L2 parts | 04:38 |
| SridarK | padkrish: yushiro: all yours on the agent side of things | 04:38 |
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| padkrish | SridarK# i have jotted a few points in the etherpad.... working on about retrieving the FWG details tied to a port throughthe RPC | 04:39 |
| padkrish | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas-v2-l2-agent | 04:39 |
| padkrish | basically the implementing the handle_port and delete_port in the fwaas extension | 04:40 |
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| SridarK | padkrish: ok i think the interesting workflow will be on a VM create - > port create -> get the fwg from plugin - > apply | 04:42 |
| yushiro | (Please check "Summary of ..." at the bottom of etherpad) | 04:42 |
| padkrish | certain items as jotted in the etherpad are TBD like creating the default FWG that is associated to any port created .. | 04:42 |
| padkrish | yes, am in the "get the fwg from plugin" stage...using the Rest calls for testing | 04:42 |
| SridarK | padkrish: ok great thx | 04:43 |
| padkrish | yes, thanks yushiro :)...it's at the bottom of the etherpad | 04:43 |
| padkrish | feel free to expand on the TBD or share all your thoughts in the etherpad | 04:43 |
| SridarK | sounds good, padkrish if needed pls send out an email to the team to remind as well | 04:43 |
| padkrish | SridarK# sure | 04:44 |
| SridarK | we can try to think thru a model for specifying the default FWG (tenant wide or subnet or ... ) | 04:44 |
| SridarK | any thing else to discuss on the agent ? | 04:45 |
| njohnston | I have heard an appetite for tenant-wide from customers | 04:45 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 04:45 |
| SridarK | there we have a plan :-) | 04:45 |
| yushiro | Is tenant-wide equal to "public=True"? | 04:45 |
| padkrish | SridarK, njohnston# So, a def FWG is always created for a tenant like SecGrp? | 04:46 |
| SridarK | yes i think that would be the equivalent | 04:46 |
| njohnston | yushiro: no, "public=True" means that another tenant can use it | 04:46 |
| xgerman | yes | 04:47 |
| yushiro | njohnston: Ok, thank you. I understando. | 04:47 |
| yushiro | **understand | 04:47 |
| njohnston | :-) | 04:47 |
| SridarK | ok good lets move to the driver | 04:47 |
| SridarK | chandanc_: pls go ahead | 04:47 |
| chandanc_ | I updated the conntrack patch for UT | 04:48 |
| chandanc_ | but it looks like I am hitting some issue due to the fact that contract module is not a singleton and preserves state | 04:48 |
| njohnston | does it need a Depends-on for the singleton patch? | 04:49 |
| chandanc_ | I have pushed the changes to review, will need some help in fixing those | 04:49 |
| chandanc_ | not really, we need singleton(s) per name space | 04:49 |
| chandanc_ | sorry singleton per namespace | 04:49 |
| chandanc_ | njohnston, can you provide me the pointer to singleton patch , i can have alook at it | 04:50 |
| chandanc_ | I will send a mail with details when i need help with the UT | 04:50 |
| njohnston | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333338/ is the one that used to be titled "IpConntrackManager class in ip_conntrack.py should be a singleton" | 04:51 |
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| chandanc_ | ya | 04:51 |
| njohnston | What is the status on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348177/ ? | 04:52 |
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| chandanc_ | I could not make progress on that one this week | 04:52 |
| njohnston | Would it be helpful if I tried to get the tests fixed, or is it not ready for that? | 04:53 |
| SridarK | chandanc_: we can continue to push forward on these neutron patches especially | 04:53 |
| chandanc_ | yes sure | 04:53 |
| chandanc_ | SridarK, both are neutron patch and kind of related | 04:54 |
| njohnston | #action njohnston work on fixing tests for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348177/ | 04:54 |
| SridarK | chandanc_: yes | 04:54 |
| SridarK | njohnston: thx | 04:54 |
| chandanc_ | njohnston, i thnk i need help from you in the ipconntrack patch | 04:54 |
| njohnston | chandanc_: Sure thing! How can I help? | 04:55 |
| njohnston | chandanc_: The meeting is almost over, shall we convene in #openstack-fwaas afterwords? | 04:55 |
| chandanc_ | njohnston, there are 5 or 6 UT that fail due to multi-threading | 04:55 |
| chandanc_ | yes sure | 04:55 |
| SridarK | +1 | 04:55 |
| SridarK | #topic Open Discussion | 04:55 |
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| njohnston | So a few changes got merged that will affect everyone | 04:56 |
| SridarK | njohnston: nice on getting the devstack changes in | 04:56 |
| yushiro | thanks :) | 04:56 |
| njohnston | https://review.openstack.org/368948 "Integrate neutron-fwaas with neutron-lib CI" - basically this means there is a test in the check gate that checks changes against the current version of neutron-lib | 04:56 |
| SridarK | it makes v2 usable in stable/newton | 04:56 |
| njohnston | SridarK: Thanks! I think it is a great thing to have. :-) | 04:57 |
| njohnston | https://review.openstack.org/368945 "Add Grafana dashboard for FWaaS checks" gives us our own error dashboard! http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-fwaas-failure-rates | 04:57 |
| xgerman | sweet | 04:57 |
| chandanc_ | cool | 04:57 |
| SridarK | +1 | 04:57 |
| yushiro | awesome! | 04:57 |
| njohnston | And finally, https://review.openstack.org/359320 "Make neutron-fwaas functional job not experimental" means that the functional job is working and voting, so we have HenryG's migration/model sync tests now on check and merge gates. | 04:58 |
| njohnston | These are all criteria for stadium inclusion | 04:58 |
| SridarK | njohnston: awesome | 04:58 |
| njohnston | so I think we are in pretty good standing right now | 04:58 |
| SridarK | next week we can focus on other things for Ocata as well | 04:58 |
| SridarK | i think we needed to close the CLI today so yushiro can move fwd b4 his PTO and that took some time apologies | 04:59 |
| njohnston | There is one more left - https://review.openstack.org/371749 - that will separate out the tempest job, so we will have a tempest run for fwaas v1, and a separate one for fwaas v2 | 04:59 |
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| njohnston | that should help us fix the v2 tempest tests | 04:59 |
| njohnston | anyhow, that's all the time we have folks. Thanks very much! Further discussion on #openstack-fwaas. | 05:00 |
| njohnston | #endmeeting | 05:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 05:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 05:00:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:00 |
| SridarK | thanks all | 05:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-09-28-04.00.html | 05:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-09-28-04.00.txt | 05:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-09-28-04.00.log.html | 05:00 |
| yushiro | thanks | 05:00 |
| njohnston | sorry, 8 seconds over | 05:00 |
| xgerman | o/ | 05:00 |
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| soichi | hi | 05:31 |
| kaz | hi | 05:32 |
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| yamamoto | hi | 05:36 |
| soichi | yamamoto: hi | 05:36 |
| soichi | #startmeeting taas | 05:36 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 05:36:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is soichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:36 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:36 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:36 |
| soichi | hi | 05:36 |
| soichi | #topic Inclusion in Governance and Neutron Stadium | 05:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Inclusion in Governance and Neutron Stadium (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:37 | |
| soichi | yamamoto, kaz: do you have any update for this? | 05:37 |
| yamamoto | nothing | 05:38 |
| yamamoto | we need to consume our todos | 05:38 |
| soichi | agree | 05:38 |
| yamamoto | armando seems unhappy with our agent | 05:38 |
| yamamoto | honestly speaking i completely agree with him :-) | 05:39 |
| soichi | i see | 05:40 |
| soichi | #topic Adding TaaS to Ocata Design Summit Ideas? | 05:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding TaaS to Ocata Design Summit Ideas? (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:42 | |
| soichi | we submitted TaaS as an agenda in Newton Design Summit | 05:43 |
| soichi | #link #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas | 05:43 |
| soichi | "Tap-as-a-Service session to talk about next steps for the project: enhancements, governance, ... (anil_rao)" | 05:43 |
| soichi | i think we can submit TaaS to the Ocata Design Summit, too | 05:44 |
| yamamoto | sure | 05:46 |
| yamamoto | i suspect if there's much interest but adding a line for taas doesn't hurt. | 05:47 |
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| soichi | +1 | 05:47 |
| soichi | i'd like to discuss this again on next week IRC because anil and vinay are absent today | 05:47 |
| kaz | soichi: +1 | 05:48 |
| soichi | #topic Open Discussion | 05:48 |
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| soichi | yamamoto, kaz: do you have any topic? | 05:49 |
| yamamoto | i'll unlikely attend this meeting next week. | 05:49 |
| yamamoto | i'll go to netdev 1.2 | 05:49 |
| soichi | yamamoto: okay, let's discuss not only IRC but also off line | 05:50 |
| soichi | TaaS dashboard | 05:51 |
| soichi | we have almost finished to rebase from kilo to newton | 05:51 |
| soichi | we will submit source code and request code review in very near future | 05:51 |
| yamamoto | great | 05:51 |
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| soichi | it is very early, but i'd like to close today's meeting if we have no more topics | 05:55 |
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| kaz | i have no topics | 05:56 |
| yamamoto | i neither | 05:56 |
| soichi | okay | 05:56 |
| soichi | #endmeeting | 05:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 05:56:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-09-28-05.36.html | 05:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-09-28-05.36.txt | 05:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-09-28-05.36.log.html | 05:56 |
| yamamoto | bye | 05:56 |
| soichi | bye | 05:56 |
| kaz | bye | 05:56 |
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| claudiub | #start-meeting hyper-v | 13:12 |
| claudiub | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:13 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 13:13:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is claudiub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:13 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:13 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:13 |
| claudiub | hello | 13:13 |
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| claudiub | sorry for being late. had some errands to run and they took way longer than expected. | 13:13 |
| claudiub | anyone here? | 13:14 |
| atuvenie | heya | 13:14 |
| claudiub | yeay | 13:14 |
| atuvenie | was about to ask if this is happening or not | 13:14 |
| claudiub | anyone else? | 13:14 |
| claudiub | yeah, well, if there aren't many people, i'll just write about a few things. | 13:15 |
| claudiub | like a summary of the past week's summary. :) | 13:15 |
| claudiub | #topic nova patches | 13:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nova patches (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:15 | |
| claudiub | sooo, things are going well it seems | 13:15 |
| claudiub | we already have 2 blueprints implemented in ocata | 13:16 |
| claudiub | the Hyper-V UEFI Boot one, and the storage QoS one. | 13:16 |
| claudiub | other than that, the Hyper-V OVS vif patch doesn't have a -2 anymore, which is nice | 13:17 |
| claudiub | the os-brick in nova patch already got some attention, which is great | 13:17 |
| claudiub | and some python3 patches already merged | 13:17 |
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| claudiub | #link Hyper-V storage QoS support patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175479/ | 13:18 |
| claudiub | #link Hyper-V UEFI Secure Boot https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209581/ | 13:19 |
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| claudiub | as far as blueprints go, there is still a specless blueprint that needs to be reapproved, and the shielded vms spec. | 13:19 |
| claudiub | the pci passthrough spec is not done yet. | 13:20 |
| claudiub | #topic PyMI release status | 13:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PyMI release status (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:20 | |
| claudiub | not yet, unfortunately. there is still one patch that needs to get merged before release | 13:21 |
| claudiub | soo, yeah. | 13:21 |
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| claudiub | #topic Newton Release status | 13:21 |
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| claudiub | so, the ceilometer issue persists. | 13:22 |
| claudiub | I've managed to make cotyledon work on Windows, which is the package that was breaking ceilometer-polling on windows, but that's not the end of it. the agent hangs | 13:23 |
| claudiub | and it seems it was hanging even before cotyledon was introduced as a replacement for oslo.service | 13:23 |
| claudiub | I've managed to pinpoint the exact commit after which the agent stopped working. Will have to analyze it and see why exactly it hangs | 13:24 |
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| claudiub | secondly, it seems that ceilometer also requires python-swiftclient, which requires the futures library | 13:24 |
| claudiub | which shouldn't be installed on python 3 | 13:25 |
| claudiub | it already exists natively in python 3. | 13:25 |
| claudiub | if futures library is installed on a python 3 environment, neutron-hyperv-agent cannot start, because, ironically, the pypi version of futures is not python 3 compatible. :) | 13:26 |
| claudiub | submitted a bug report for this | 13:26 |
| claudiub | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-swiftclient/+bug/1628107 | 13:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1628107 in python-swiftclient "Futures package should not be installed for python 3" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Claudiu Belu (cbelu) | 13:26 |
| claudiub | and a bug fix: | 13:26 |
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| claudiub | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377726/ | 13:27 |
| claudiub | that's pretty much it | 13:27 |
| claudiub | going to end the "meeting" now. :) | 13:28 |
| claudiub | #endmeeting | 13:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 13:28:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-09-28-13.13.html | 13:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-09-28-13.13.txt | 13:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-09-28-13.13.log.html | 13:28 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| ddieterly | hello | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 15:00:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| pratid | hello | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| witek | hi | 15:00 |
| kamil__ | o/ | 15:00 |
| koji | o/ | 15:00 |
| arturbasiak | o/ | 15:00 |
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| rhochmuth | I didn't have any topics for today in the meeting agenda | 15:01 |
| ddieterly | bonjour/guten tag/Kon'nichiwa | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | ungaya | 15:01 |
| witek | cześć | 15:01 |
| ddieterly | ungirla | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | are there any open disucssion that folks would like to have | 15:02 |
| pratid | I'd like to comment something | 15:02 |
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| pratid | 1st of all | 15:02 |
| ddieterly | well, we are working on cassandra with lucene | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | pratid: ok | 15:02 |
| pratid | I'm new in these meetings | 15:02 |
| ddieterly | welcome, pratid | 15:02 |
| hosanai | o/ | 15:03 |
| pratid | i've registered a new blueprint | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | welcome aboard | 15:03 |
| pratid | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/ceilosca-value-meta-marshalling | 15:03 |
| pratid | although it could be considered a bug | 15:03 |
| pratid | would you like to comment it now? | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | i'm reading now | 15:03 |
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| pratid | or we could leave if for next meeting | 15:03 |
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| pratid | this is a problem we are suffering right now in FIWARE | 15:04 |
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| pratid | and we have solved it | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | pratid: i think i'll need to read off-line | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | definitely would like to see the issue resolved | 15:05 |
| pratid | perfect | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | we also have a team within hpe that works on ceilosca | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | but they don't usually attend the monasca weekly meeting | 15:05 |
| pratid | feel free to contact me | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | there are also folks from cisos | 15:05 |
| pratid | would you like my email? | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | so, i would like to get everyone connected | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | yes, that would be great | 15:05 |
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| ddieterly | pratid the client can do its own stringify without monasca doing it | 15:05 |
| pratid | don't understand | 15:06 |
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| pratid | what do you mean with "its own stringify"? | 15:06 |
| ddieterly | the client is able to put anything into the meta value that it would like to | 15:06 |
| pratid | no, it isn't | 15:06 |
| pratid | as I said | 15:06 |
| ddieterly | if you would like to stringify something, then that is ok | 15:06 |
| pratid | currently monasca API raises an error | 15:07 |
| ddieterly | you can stringify the data before you call the monasca client | 15:07 |
| pratid | our solution is simply stringify any non-string metadata item | 15:07 |
| pratid | but we don't call it directly | 15:07 |
| pratid | it's ceilometer pipeline | 15:08 |
| pratid | which does | 15:08 |
| pratid | using the publisher | 15:08 |
| pratid | rhochmuth: if you like | 15:08 |
| pratid | please tell people from HPE | 15:08 |
| ddieterly | should this be in monasca api is the question, i guess | 15:09 |
| pratid | to contact me at pablo dot rodriguezarchilla at telefonica dot com | 15:09 |
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| pratid | and we could discuss it in detail | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | i'll send email out after this meeting | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | thx | 15:09 |
| pratid | you're welcome | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | ddieterly: the floor is yours | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | for cassandra update | 15:10 |
| ddieterly | we are working on cassandra schema and perf testing | 15:11 |
| ddieterly | we have decided to try to use lucene for secondary indexes | 15:11 |
| ddieterly | lucene seems to give us the facilities that cassandra lacks in lookup capability | 15:11 |
| ddieterly | we will be publishing a schema and some performance metrics soon | 15:12 |
| witek | how are you testing the performance? | 15:12 |
| ddieterly | that is the gist of it | 15:12 |
| ddieterly | 3-node cluster, loading measurements as fast as possible | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | hp dl380p | 15:13 |
| ddieterly | we'll first try python | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | 24 physical cores per node | 15:13 |
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| rhochmuth | RAID 50 on 24 1 TB disks | 15:13 |
| kamil__ | that's a lot | 15:14 |
| ddieterly | should hopefully get 3k-5K inserts per sec per node | 15:14 |
| witek | ddieterly: do you plan on java as well? I hope not. | 15:14 |
| ddieterly | yes, i believe so | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | 3k-5k per core | 15:14 |
| ddieterly | yes, per core | 15:15 |
| ddieterly | i keep fat fingering that | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | witek: we are looking at performance of python | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | if it looks good, then we will stick with python | 15:15 |
| ddieterly | because we LOVE python | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | if not, then we'll look at the options | 15:15 |
| witek | :) | 15:15 |
| witek | thanks | 15:15 |
| ddieterly | ;-) | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | i was thinking scala would be our first choice | 15:16 |
| ddieterly | we really do love scala | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | golang would be second | 15:16 |
| ddieterly | seriously | 15:16 |
| ddieterly | not so much love there | 15:16 |
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| rhochmuth | no, i wasn't being serious | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | we aren't looking at scala or golang | 15:17 |
| ddieterly | yet | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | let's see how the python performance looks | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | i need a sarcasm emoii in irc | 15:18 |
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| rhochmuth | do they have one of those? | 15:18 |
| ddieterly | for those interested in lucene/cassandra https://github.com/Stratio/cassandra-lucene-index/blob/branch-3.0.8/doc/documentation.rst | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | just so folks understand, lucene gets added as a plugin to cassandra, and then can be used to build secondary indexes and searched | 15:19 |
| witek | do you want to compare it with the results without lucene? | 15:19 |
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| ddieterly | we have difficulty modelling our functionality with just cassandra alone | 15:19 |
| ddieterly | so, we need lucene to maintain the API as it is | 15:20 |
| ddieterly | if someone can come up with a cassandra only implementation that efficiently does what the monasca api needs to do, please share it with us | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | Here is the etherpad which has all the links to the proposed schemas so far | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca_cassandra | 15:21 |
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| rhochmuth | ddieterly: is the one we are looking at right now listed? | 15:22 |
| ddieterly | we should have a contest to see if someone can do it | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | someone can do it for sure | 15:22 |
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| ddieterly | rhochmuth not yet, i'm getting the lucene indexes in place first | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | the issue is performanace | 15:22 |
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| ddieterly | the price will be a trip to colorado and dinner with rhochmuth | 15:23 |
| ddieterly | s/price/prize | 15:24 |
| ddieterly | or maybe it is a price | 15:24 |
| ddieterly | lol | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | not much of an incentive | 15:24 |
| pratid | ha, ha | 15:24 |
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| pratid | pri?e | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | so, are there any other topics to discuss | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | release plans update | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | ? | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | that caused me a bit of pain last week | 15:25 |
| witek | I've seen your discussion with Doug Hellmann | 15:25 |
| witek | thanks for clarifying this | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | well, i hope in the ocata release i can get everything done better | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | more timely | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | i think evewrything would have been super easy if i had updated tags | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | prior to when python-monascaclient and monasca-statsd were branched | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | unfortunately, i missed the train on that | 15:27 |
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| rhochmuth | it looks like we are in good shaped with all the other repos | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | and we can try and merge master to newton after oct 6th | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | although, theere might be some push-back on some of the commits | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | i guess we'll see | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | witek: so are you ok with everthing so far | 15:28 |
| witek | yes | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | it isn't ideal, but i don't think i can do better | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | other than tag on-time next time around | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | witek: thx | 15:29 |
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| rhochmuth | are there any other topics then? | 15:29 |
| witek | could you share the schedule for design summit sessions, please? | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | i don't have it, but i should | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | i'll have to track that down | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | i'll send email | 15:30 |
| witek | thanks | 15:30 |
| ddieterly | who will be at the summit? | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | we also need to be preparing for the sessions | 15:30 |
| witek | yes | 15:31 |
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| witek | Kamil, Tomasz and me from Fujitsu EST and Poland | 15:31 |
| ddieterly | rhochmuth and ddieterly will be thee | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | shinya will be there | 15:31 |
| witek | Kouji? | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | also hopefully a couple of folks form hpe bristol for monasca-analytics | 15:32 |
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| rhochmuth | hisashi and daisuke | 15:32 |
| koji | probably i'll be | 15:33 |
| hosanai | rhochmuth: we will be there. | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | hosanai: thx | 15:33 |
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| rhochmuth | i still don't have a definitive statement from luis and the team in bristol | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | hopefully tomorrow i'll know more | 15:34 |
| hosanai | rhochmuth: i think so too :-) | 15:34 |
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| rhochmuth | anymore topics for today then? | 15:35 |
| ddieterly | none from me | 15:35 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, then i'l going to end the meeting | 15:36 |
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| ddieterly | ciao! ciao! | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | bye everyone | 15:36 |
| pratid | bye | 15:36 |
| witek | thanks, bye | 15:36 |
| koji | thanks | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
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| hosanai | thanks! bye | 15:36 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 15:36:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-09-28-15.00.html | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-09-28-15.00.txt | 15:36 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-09-28-15.00.log.html | 15:36 |
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| markvoelker | #startmeeting defcore | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 16:01:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markvoelker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreLunar.19 Today's agenda | 16:01 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 16:01 |
| catherine_d|1 | o/ | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | #chair eglute_s | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute_s markvoelker | 16:01 |
| eglute_s | o/ | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | #chair hogepodge | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute_s hogepodge markvoelker | 16:01 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | Hi everyone! Let's dive in... | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | #topic 2017.01 Guideline | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2017.01 Guideline (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:02 | |
| markvoelker | So hopefully everyone that's playing point for a particular project is readying scoring patches to submit | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | I think I have the Glance and Neutron ones about ready to go and should get them up tomorrow | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | Hopefully you've also all contacted the relevant PTL's to solicit their opinions | 16:03 |
| * eglute_s admits that markvoelker is way ahead of her | 16:03 | |
| luzC | o/ | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | If you need help, please let us know ASAP and we'll try to scramble you some cover | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | Anyone have problems or updates they want to talk through now? | 16:04 |
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| eglute_s | Shamail told me he is not able to attend today's meeting, just fyi | 16:04 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: I probably need help, travel and illness have knocked me out flat | 16:04 |
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| * eglute_s been sick the last week as well. | 16:05 | |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: Ok. Have you contacted the PTL yet? | 16:05 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: I haven't done anything. :-/ | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: Ok. I can probably throw in on that once I get the Neutron and Glance patches posted | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | eglute_s: Are you good to go now, or do you need help too? | 16:07 |
| eglute_s | I think i am good with swift, just waiting on notmyname, he said he has been traveling/busy. Have not looked at ceilometer | 16:07 |
| notmyname | eglute_s: hi | 16:07 |
| eglute_s | notmyname hi! | 16:07 |
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| notmyname | I looked. and then I realized it was more than a quick "check over this" thing ;-) | 16:08 |
| eglute_s | notmyname that's why we reach out to PTLs :) | 16:08 |
| eglute_s | you know your project best :) | 16:08 |
| notmyname | so actually, I could use some guidance | 16:08 |
| notmyname | (what's the link?) | 16:09 |
| eglute_s | link to? | 16:09 |
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| eglute_s | #link https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/next.json | 16:09 |
| notmyname | yeah, just found it :-) | 16:09 |
| notmyname | https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/2016.08.json#L89 | 16:09 |
| notmyname | oh, mine is the current | 16:10 |
| eglute_s | yes, thats the current one :) | 16:10 |
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| eglute_s | next is based on the current one | 16:10 |
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| eglute_s | thats the one we are looking to update | 16:10 |
| notmyname | and you're looking to me to propose any changes? otherwise it stays the same? | 16:11 |
| notmyname | well, except for advisory, right? those become require | 16:11 |
| notmyname | d | 16:11 |
| Rockyg | Any new features have to have been in since Liberty | 16:11 |
| eglute_s | you dont have to propose changes directly to the next.json | 16:11 |
| Rockyg | But also, new tests for existing capabilities | 16:11 |
| eglute_s | just new capabilities we can score | 16:12 |
| Rockyg | But, th test stuff comes after the scoring. | 16:12 |
| notmyname | if the names are descriptive, the features under "advisory" have existed since circa 2011 (rough guess--point is, "a really long time") | 16:12 |
| eglute_s | what Rockyg said. Tests must be in tempest though | 16:12 |
| notmyname | yeah, I still don't like that ;-) | 16:12 |
| eglute_s | well, the advisory status is recent | 16:12 |
| notmyname | ok, so new capabilities. these are new user-visible features? | 16:13 |
| eglute_s | notmyname i think we lost that battle for now | 16:13 |
| eglute_s | correct | 16:13 |
| eglute_s | non-admin | 16:13 |
| notmyname | probably the biggest one I'd consider is something about storage policies, but I'd need some guidance there | 16:13 |
| notmyname | you can set a storage policy on container create, but only if the admin has exposed that in the cluster | 16:14 |
| notmyname | so it's a huge part of swift and a really useful feature, but not something that might be in all clusters | 16:14 |
| eglute_s | does it have tests in tempest? | 16:14 |
| notmyname | even if that cluster is running HEAD of master | 16:14 |
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| notmyname | not sure. for the reasons above, I'd guess no, but that's more easily solvable. what would you (defcore^Winterop) say about that sort of feature? | 16:15 |
| eglute_s | if it is not widely used, then thats were scoring would come in. we score new capabilities on things like adoption | 16:15 |
| eglute_s | i think it is worth scoring | 16:15 |
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| notmyname | how is "widely used" determined? | 16:16 |
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| hogepodge | notmyname: user surver sometimes | 16:16 |
| notmyname | the 1k+ clusters I've got at swiftstack? ;-) | 16:16 |
| notmyname | user survey participation is rather low. but that's a different discussion, probably :-) | 16:17 |
| eglute_s | i think we usually look at the user survey... | 16:17 |
| eglute_s | true! | 16:17 |
| eglute_s | markvoelker other tips for determining adoption/usage? | 16:17 |
| eglute_s | notmyname do you know if other clouds use this feature? | 16:17 |
| notmyname | in general, I don't know. but don't take that as a comment on usage or not | 16:18 |
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| notmyname | ok. I'll look at what's available in tempest tests and leave a comment(?...where?) | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | Product adoption (how many OpenStack products support it), client support, etc | 16:18 |
| hogepodge | notmyname: we also rely on people telling us :-D | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | Basically if you think it's reasonable to look at, suggest it and we'll take a look. | 16:18 |
| eglute_s | notmyname ping me directly and i will submit a scoring patch | 16:19 |
| eglute_s | unless you want to submit a scoring patch :) | 16:19 |
| notmyname | yeah, I just don't want to say "you're not swift" if an op hasn't decided to use more than one policy in the cluster | 16:19 |
| notmyname | eglute_s: ok, thanks. I'll ping you directly | 16:19 |
| eglute_s | notmyname #link https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/working_materials/scoring.txt | 16:19 |
| eglute_s | ok! | 16:19 |
| notmyname | final question... | 16:19 |
| notmyname | I think I'd prefer to stay out of required vs advisory, unless you need my commentary there. what are your thoughts? | 16:20 |
| notmyname | (TBH, I'd call everything required) | 16:20 |
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| eglute_s | notmyname we start with advisory, then capability graduates to required next round | 16:21 |
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| eglute_s | basically, it has to be advisory before it becomes required | 16:21 |
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| notmyname | right, but that seems like a process for your team rather than something I directly comment on, right? | 16:21 |
| eglute_s | correct | 16:21 |
| notmyname | ok. so therefore I won't comment on required vs advisory and I'll only mention stuff that is in tempest tests that should be added to the list (which you can then put wherever is right) | 16:22 |
| notmyname | sound good? | 16:22 |
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| eglute_s | new capabilities that will be added to the 2017.01 guideline will be added as advisory. for 2017.07 they will become required unless there are issues | 16:22 |
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| eglute_s | thanks notmyname! that very helpful | 16:23 |
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| markvoelker | Ok gang, any other scoring updates or problems to talk about today? | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | Ok then, moving on... | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | #topic Add neutron-lib to tc-approved-release (MERGED) | 16:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add neutron-lib to tc-approved-release (MERGED) (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:24 | |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371777/ Patch to make neutron-lib tc-approved-release | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-09-27-20.01.html TC meeting minutes where this was discussed | 16:24 |
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| markvoelker | Just a quick update on this since we talked about it last week: yesterday the TC merged that patch with unanimous vote | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | This will allow us to consider adding neutron-lib as a designated section (or parts of it) in future Guidelines | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | I'll save discussion on that for the upcoming scoring patch, but wanted to let folks know it landed | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | FYI, I'm also looking at glance_store as a possibility for similar action (and someone--Doug I think?--brought that up in the TC meeting yesterday too by coincidence) | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | IF there are similar library splits in your projects, you may want to think about that when you're doing scoring. | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | Questions? | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | Moving right along... | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | #topic Clarifying that the TC only wants to consider changes to tc-approved-release that come from DefCore | 16:27 |
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| markvoelker | This was the other topic discussed yesterday, but hasn't landed yet. | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | Basically this one says "if a project wants to be added to tc-approved-release, they talk to DefCore and DefCore proposes it to the TC" | 16:28 |
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| markvoelker | We discussed last week that we may want to draft up a little document that gives projects some guidance about how to go about doing that | 16:28 |
| eglute_s | where there any concerns during yesterday's meeting? | 16:29 |
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| markvoelker | I've kind of backburnered that for the moment due to the need to get scoring done, but it might be a good thing to talk about it in Barcelona if I finish a draft before then | 16:29 |
| markvoelker | eglute_s: Nothing major that I can recall...the gist was that the TC wanted to clarify the process, and I think that's probably quite reasonable. | 16:30 |
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| markvoelker | There was some back-and-forth about the DefCore->Interop Working Group name change, but that was fairly trivial. =) | 16:30 |
| eglute_s | :0 | 16:31 |
| eglute_s | :) | 16:31 |
| markvoelker | If anyone has concerns or comments, feel free to post those to gerrit since it hasn't landed yet. | 16:31 |
| markvoelker | Anything further on this topic? | 16:31 |
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| eglute_s | I am good :) | 16:32 |
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| markvoelker | #topic Renames | 16:32 |
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| markvoelker | So Shamail isn't here today to talk about this, but just to highlight the to-do list that was drafted up | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCore_Rename_Task_List Rename Task List | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | We need to work on coordination of tasks so we don't have a lot of dangling bits. IMHO that feels like a good Summit topic. | 16:33 |
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| eglute_s | agree | 16:34 |
| markvoelker | If you can help with any of the tasks there, feel free to stick your name on the etherpad and ask questions. | 16:34 |
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| markvoelker | It's actually not a whole ton of legwork I think, particularly if it's well divvied up. Just needs some coordination. | 16:35 |
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| * notmyname raises hand for question | 16:35 | |
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| markvoelker | notmyname: sure, go ahead | 16:35 |
| notmyname | sorry, back to next guidelines, can wait if you need to continue current topic | 16:35 |
| markvoelker | Actually I don't think there's much else to say on this since Shamail's not here, so go ahead. =) | 16:36 |
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| notmyname | heh, ok | 16:36 |
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| notmyname | so I'm looking at tempest and what's in liberty | 16:36 |
| notmyname | that's what you said, right? tests that are in liberty? | 16:36 |
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| markvoelker | Well, the capabilities being tested need to be present in liberty | 16:37 |
| notmyname | ah, ok | 16:37 |
| notmyname | so liberty tempest doesn't matter. just tests exist now for features since liberty | 16:37 |
| Rockyg | for the scoring, yeah. | 16:38 |
| markvoelker | Right. Most people run more modern versions of Tempest. There's actually a tempest SHA in each guideline that was known to work at the time the Guideline was approved. | 16:38 |
| notmyname | good. 'cause there's no reference to "liberty" tag or branches in tempest. most recent is grizzly, and after that just version numbers | 16:38 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks | 16:38 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, moving on to summit stuff | 16:38 |
| markvoelker | #topic Summit Planning | 16:39 |
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| markvoelker | It's almost time for Barcelona, and we've got one working session. I've started a pad to solicit ideas for things we want to hash out | 16:39 |
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| markvoelker | We probably won't get to everything folks suggest due to the limited time, so try to focus on things that would benefit from facetime | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreBarcelona Barcelona planning etherpad | 16:39 |
| eglute_s | thanks markvoelker | 16:40 |
| markvoelker | I put a few things in there to "seed the plot", but feel free to add more and we'll try to nail down an agenda after next week's meeting | 16:40 |
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| markvoelker | Oh, and as a reminder, our work session is: | 16:41 |
| eglute_s | markvoelker what do you have in mind for adjusted guideline? | 16:41 |
| markvoelker | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16798/interop-defcore-working-group-work-session DefCore work session slot | 16:41 |
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| markvoelker | eglute_s: I don't think I have anything in mind yet. But we do have a slightly abbreviated development cycle for Ocata, so it might be worth talking about whether we want to adjust the Guideline cadence accordingly | 16:42 |
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| markvoelker | Something to ponder and come to Barca with opinions/suggestions on I think. =) | 16:42 |
| eglute_s | :) | 16:42 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 16:42 |
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| luzC | ++ | 16:43 |
| eglute_s | we already talked about 2017.01 being lighter than 2016.08 | 16:43 |
| eglute_s | are you thinking changing the schedule? | 16:43 |
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| markvoelker | Potentially, yes. The development cycle has a slightly different schedule going forward, so it may make sense to adjust Guideline timing too. | 16:43 |
| markvoelker | But like I said: it's an incomplete thought right now. | 16:44 |
| Rockyg | I don't think the user survey timeframes will change, so we should consider what we trigger off of | 16:44 |
| eglute_s | also, guideline schedule is in our process docs i believe | 16:44 |
| eglute_s | i am ok changing it, just we need to keep that in mind | 16:44 |
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| Rockyg | Originally, DefCore was purposely not tid to relase schdule | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | All good discussion points for Barcelona. =) | 16:45 |
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| Rockyg | Exactly. What makes sense in light of.... | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | Ok, I think that's the last topic on the agenda today. | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | #topic open discussion | 16:46 |
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| markvoelker | Anything else to bring up today folks? | 16:46 |
| eglute_s | #link https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/doc/source/process/2016A.rst#expected-time-line | 16:46 |
| eglute_s | for reading before Barcelona :) | 16:46 |
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| markvoelker | Going once... | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | Going twice... | 16:48 |
| eglute_s | thanks markvoelker! i am good :) | 16:48 |
| markvoelker | Ok folks: get those scoring patches up! See you next week. | 16:48 |
| markvoelker | #endmeeting | 16:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 16:48:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-09-28-16.01.html | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-09-28-16.01.txt | 16:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-09-28-16.01.log.html | 16:48 |
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| alaski | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 17:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alaski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 17:00 |
| dansmith | ohai | 17:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:00 |
| alaski | welcome back from the long break | 17:00 |
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| alaski | there's nothing on the agenda today so let's jump to open discussion | 17:00 |
| alaski | #topic Open Discussion | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:00 | |
| alaski | it is time to think about specs and summit discussions | 17:01 |
| alaski | I have a few I plan to propose, scheduling interaction, and searchlight integration | 17:01 |
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| alaski | anyone have something they're thinking about? | 17:01 |
| alaski | I should clarify, I mean specs here | 17:02 |
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| dansmith | I don't, but searchlight is a thing we need to discuss for sure | 17:02 |
| dansmith | s/discuss/figure out/ | 17:02 |
| alaski | yeah. it's the big unknown for this cycle I think | 17:02 |
| alaski | everything else seems pretty well understood | 17:03 |
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| dansmith | we also need to talk about the minimum number of things we need to do in order to have two cells, even if sorting in python makes it not super realistic | 17:03 |
| melwitt | alaski: do you think a spec is needed for the move quota commits to the api? as I write that, I think the answer is probably yes | 17:03 |
| alaski | melwitt: yeah, I think so | 17:03 |
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| alaski | dansmith: yeah. maybe I'll start an etherpad on that with what I think is left and everyone can jump in | 17:04 |
| dansmith | cool | 17:04 |
| alaski | #action alaski start an etherpad of remaining items to get to two cells | 17:04 |
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| * melwitt is tempted to suggest mitosis | 17:05 | |
| alaski | lol. that should have been the nova-manage command | 17:05 |
| melwitt | hahaha | 17:05 |
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| dansmith | we could have a lot of fun with some of those commands | 17:05 |
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| dansmith | like, could we take two deployments and make them into a single one with two cells? nova-manage meiosis? | 17:06 |
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| melwitt | now we're talking | 17:06 |
| dansmith | you'll need a ph.d in biology to run nova-cells! and a good sense of humor | 17:06 |
| alaski | I'm onboard | 17:06 |
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| alaski | well, once we see what's in the etherpad we can determine what specs are missing | 17:07 |
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| alaski | for summit there's not a lot of new high level ground to cover, but we can dive into specifics on things | 17:08 |
| alaski | mriedem: is it only one time slot this time around? | 17:08 |
| alaski | that's what it looked like on the tentative schedule | 17:09 |
| melwitt | I noticed we have only 2 days for nova (including the friday meetup) this time instead of the usual 3 days | 17:09 |
| alaski | also, melwitt demanded that I give her some time to talk about quotas and I capitulated | 17:09 |
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| mriedem | alaski: we haven't decided slots yet | 17:10 |
| mriedem | need to talk about that at some point this week, but now it's already wed... | 17:10 |
| mriedem | i think we're going to be fine on slots, maybe too many | 17:10 |
| alaski | mriedem: okay. I think one slot may be fine | 17:10 |
| alaski | but we can make use of two if they're available | 17:11 |
| melwitt | hah. not a long time to talk about quotas, just a sanity check to run it by people (committing quotas immediately in the api) to find out if I'm missing anything there | 17:12 |
| alaski | melwitt is going to talk about quota changes, I want to discuss searchlight, and there will be other things to get into | 17:12 |
| alaski | so one other thing I wanted to drop on everyone in this meeting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369634/ | 17:13 |
| alaski | just a quick PoC of having computes self register to a cell | 17:14 |
| alaski | It's lower priority than a lot of other things, but I'd love to have a solution there | 17:14 |
| melwitt | cool | 17:15 |
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| alaski | so it's something I would like to discuss this cycle, but probably not at summit | 17:15 |
| alaski | that's all I've got for today | 17:15 |
| alaski | anyone have a topic? | 17:15 |
| mriedem | we need that bug fix in for rc2 | 17:15 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378636/ | 17:15 |
| alaski | oh right | 17:15 |
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| alaski | getting it for rc2 would be great | 17:16 |
| alaski | we need it in Newton some way or the other | 17:16 |
| mriedem | i was good with the change, just had the nits | 17:16 |
| alaski | cool. I think I've addressed those now | 17:16 |
| melwitt | didn't know about that one. will look | 17:16 |
| alaski | melwitt: someone pinged me last night to say that I had broken reschedules | 17:17 |
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| mriedem | it was baby lucas | 17:17 |
| mriedem | he's gifted | 17:18 |
| alaski | he pinged me to tell me his teeth still haven't come in | 17:18 |
| melwitt | lol | 17:18 |
| mriedem | but just so you know, they hurt like a mfer | 17:18 |
| alaski | yep | 17:18 |
| * dansmith is so over this conversation | 17:18 | |
| alaski | heh | 17:19 |
| alaski | I think we're done here | 17:19 |
| alaski | thanks all | 17:19 |
| alaski | #endmeeting | 17:19 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2016/nova_cells.2016-09-28-17.00.html | 17:19 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | #startmeeting horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 28 20:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is r1chardj0n3s. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 20:00 |
| r1chardj0n3s | oh, it worked | 20:00 |
| r1chardj0n3s | :-D | 20:00 |
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| ediardo | o/ | 20:00 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 20:00 |
| r1chardj0n3s | #topic Notices | 20:01 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | ooh | 20:01 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | so a couple of things y'all should know about | 20:02 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | most importantly is that the integration tests have been made non-voting while we try to sort out the instability issues | 20:02 |
| david-lyle | sort out as in get rid of? | 20:03 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | when I looked yesterday we had a very large number of patches stuck because of rechecking | 20:03 |
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| lcastell | o/ | 20:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: well, that's a question we can discuss, yes | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: I think it's a summit topic if robcresswell knows his stuff | 20:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | another gate change, though this one hasn't happened yet, is that we want to get the Django 1.10 tests voting | 20:04 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | the patch for that just needs some tweaking https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378426 | 20:04 |
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| jlopezgu | o/ | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | Its a proposed topic :) | 20:04 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: oh it's definitely a topic :-) | 20:04 |
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| * robcresswell knows his stuff | 20:04 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | so that's the only other thing I wanted to mention this morning was that robcresswell knows his stuff | 20:04 |
| r1chardj0n3s | no, wait, I wanted to mention the summit session topics | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | \o/ | 20:05 |
| * david-lyle is not convinced | 20:05 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-ocata-summit | 20:05 |
| ducttape_ | r1chardj0n3s: you should nominate him for ptl next time ;) | 20:05 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ducttape_: that's a fine idea!! | 20:05 |
| r1chardj0n3s | we have 5 working group sessions, and it looks like we're getting plenty in the etherpad to talk about | 20:06 |
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| robcresswell | Sounds good | 20:07 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | so, that's all the notices I have, we can talk about the summit sessions or even the integration tests | 20:07 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | I had a wacky idea on that too | 20:08 |
| r1chardj0n3s | It seems like a lot of our issues come from dodgy IPC from Python through to the Selenium browser | 20:08 |
| r1chardj0n3s | maybe we should use Javascript in-browser tests... | 20:08 |
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| robcresswell | hehe | 20:09 |
| r1chardj0n3s | but Timur's selenium expert might have something to say about that | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | So the suggestion is "rewrite it in JS" :p | 20:09 |
| lcastell | Oh man! | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | yeah schipiga had some thoughts on rewrites previously | 20:09 |
| ediardo | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | I don't know where that went | 20:09 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it's an option, especially if we want to otherwise radically change the scope of our integration tests | 20:09 |
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| robcresswell | Yeah, I'm just poking fun. I'll be doing a bit of research around it and seeing what options we have, because atm its a huge pain | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | Basically held up RC2 by a week just hitting recheck. | 20:10 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yeah, and this seems to happen regularly too - every 6 months or so, something will change in the selenium/firefox mix and suddenly our test suite is unstable again | 20:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so alternatives to selenium itself should be considered, if there are any | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, even 6 months is generous IMO. We;ve had total blocks on the gate several times this cycle. | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | don't limit it to this cycle | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | since their inception | 20:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yep, but we weren't really paying attention back then | 20:12 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | :-P | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | uh, you weren't | 20:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | that was some other guy's problem | 20:12 |
| lcastell | the little monster has become an adult now | 20:13 |
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| robcresswell | Is richard the little monster? I'm confused | 20:13 |
| lcastell | LOL | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | I've set aside gasoline and a match when you're ready to make the call | 20:13 |
| lcastell | integration tests | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | Ah I see | 20:13 |
| * ducttape_ is a big smoker | 20:14 | |
| robcresswell | I'm glad my final move was to disable all non unit tests. | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | and then run out the building laughing. | 20:15 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ooh, there's an alternative to selenium written in the node.js programming language, we should use that | 20:15 |
| * david-lyle drops his stuff and walks out | 20:15 | |
| robcresswell | I hope you've got a lot of gasoline david-lyle | 20:15 |
| r1chardj0n3s | hey, you lot voted for me!! | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | technically, no | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | LOL | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | :P | 20:16 |
| r1chardj0n3s | technically whatever :-P | 20:16 |
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| ducttape_ | I was part of the never david-lyle camp | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | me too | 20:16 |
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| david-lyle | nodejs for stability | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | SO, on a positive note, RC2 was tagged today and dj10 should be voting soon | 20:17 |
| ducttape_ | lolwut | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | So thats good. | 20:17 |
| r1chardj0n3s | the other elephant in the room: ditch the whole thing and switch to an iOS app. that'd solve the selenium issue | 20:17 |
| ediardo | +2 | 20:18 |
| ducttape_ | and introduce 6 others | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | ducttape_: I think that was the proposal | 20:18 |
| r1chardj0n3s | oh, thanks robcresswell, I forgot to mention the RC2 tagging | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | I'm wondering how many summits we'll have to say no to the app idea | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | probably forever | 20:18 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm totally not stopping someone else from doing it ;-) | 20:18 |
| ducttape_ | david-lyle: no I get it. more of "so we've come to this - that nodejs is the stable / mature adult in the room?" | 20:18 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yikes | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: agreed | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | hopefully one person out those will provide the motivation other than they can | 20:19 |
| r1chardj0n3s | random companies do have their own mobile apps | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | for openstack? | 20:19 |
| r1chardj0n3s | yes | 20:19 |
| ducttape_ | you can produce all the iOS / android apps you want. no one is stoping that | 20:19 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I've never seen one in person, but I've heard about them | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | what are you doing in openstack that you want to use your phone for? | 20:19 |
| tqtran | push notifications would be cool | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | suckering your management into letting you work on a mobile app? | 20:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | oh! a wild tqtran appears! :-) | 20:20 |
| * david-lyle faints | 20:20 | |
| ducttape_ | catch him! | 20:20 |
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| tqtran | -_- omg im not a snorlax guys | 20:20 |
| ducttape_ | he's kinda like a pokemon | 20:20 |
| ducttape_ | ;) | 20:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | Anyone have anything else they'd like to bring up? | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | My impression is that most people basically use emails from their customers as push notifications | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | "hey we have a bug" | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | I thought it was pager duty | 20:22 |
| ducttape_ | icinga / pagerduty / monit / etc | 20:22 |
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| robcresswell | ah okay | 20:23 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: When do you need to finalise the summit sessions by? I don't know if you've had that email yet | 20:24 |
| robcresswell | Can't remember the dates from last cycle. | 20:25 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: I've not had an email about that | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | oh okay well | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | *surprise!* | 20:25 |
| r1chardj0n3s | heh | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | I think there is likely another week or so | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | but voting or whatever mechanism you want to employ for choosing should happen relatively soon | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | yup | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I was thinking about putting a proposal in email early next week to get feedback from attendees. | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | My internet is giving up -.- | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: sounds good. | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | OK, I think we're done. Thanks everyone! | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | would you like people to start voting/commenting or are we still just gathering? | 20:28 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | oh | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | or it's your right to just pick too | 20:29 |
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| ducttape_ | rule with the iron fist | 20:29 |
| r1chardj0n3s | please do add your thoughts to the summit session topics etherpad, including voting (+1 / -1) on topics | 20:29 |
| r1chardj0n3s | that link again https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-ocata-summit | 20:29 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | unless some other topic comes along, it does look like we've got about 5 rough topics already in the etherpad | 20:30 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so it'd be good to know what folks' interest is in the topics already proposed | 20:31 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | so finally today, I'd like to thank robcresswell for his great work PTL'ing the Newton release | 20:32 |
| r1chardj0n3s | and with that, thanks for coming | 20:33 |
| r1chardj0n3s | #endmeeting | 20:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 28 20:33:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-09-28-20.00.html | 20:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-09-28-20.00.txt | 20:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2016/horizon.2016-09-28-20.00.log.html | 20:34 |
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| david-lyle | congrats r1chardj0n3s, and thanks! | 20:34 |
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