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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 3 17:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| jroll | hi folks :) | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| mariojv | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| xek | o/ | 17:00 |
| mgould | o/ | 17:00 |
| JayF | o/ | 17:00 |
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| rloo | howdy | 17:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:00 |
| gcb | o/ | 17:00 |
| hshiina | o/ | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | oi/ | 17:00 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:00 |
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| vdrok | o/ | 17:01 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | #topic announcements and reminders | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements and reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| milan | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | so newton is done | 17:01 |
| mgould | \o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | the summit is fast approaching | 17:01 |
| bfournie | o/ | 17:01 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | there's a topic later on summit sessions | 17:01 |
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| jroll | I don't think I have any other announcements or reminders, does anyone else? | 17:02 |
| jroll | oh! TC voting is this week, please do that :P | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | the gate has been broken for some time, but seems fixed now | 17:02 |
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| jroll | ah yes, that too. last week was rough but we should be good to review things now | 17:02 |
| rloo | jroll: anything you want us to focus on these next few weeks before the summit? | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:03 |
| * dtantsur whispers: specssssss | 17:03 | |
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| jroll | ^^ | 17:03 |
| rloo | and install guide got backported to newton! | 17:03 |
| rama_y | o/ | 17:03 |
| devananda | woot! | 17:03 |
| jroll | yes it did! | 17:03 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, oh cool, didn't know that ! | 17:03 |
| jroll | thanks to JayF, mat128, and all the reviewers for helping with that | 17:03 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: it was done by stealth. and maybe also allowed cuz a docs person asked us to backport it :D | 17:04 |
| JayF | fwiw the policy for docs backporting is: you can backport docs | 17:04 |
| JayF | so I don't think it was any stable policy violation or anything to do it | 17:04 |
| lucasagomes | :D right | 17:04 |
| rloo | JayF: sweet. anything related to docs? | 17:04 |
| JayF | rloo: aiui, yes | 17:04 |
| jroll | well, assuming they're correct :) | 17:05 |
| rloo | JayF: that is something we should be careful with cuz we could always improve on the docs... | 17:05 |
| jroll | anything else before subteam reports? | 17:05 |
| rloo | http://docs.openstack.org/project-install-guide/baremetal/newton/ | 17:05 |
| jroll | rloo: that's the stable policy, the stable reviewers can always say "stop this is annoying" :P | 17:05 |
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| JayF | quick question about subteams: I think it could be useful to list docs as a subteam | 17:05 |
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| JayF | especially since I want to spend some time this cycle testing and improving our docs | 17:06 |
| rloo | jroll: :) | 17:06 |
| jroll | JayF: there is the cross-project things down at the bottom no? | 17:06 |
| JayF | jroll: yeah; but like, this isn't "docs project" things, it's about improving ironic's docs | 17:06 |
| JayF | jroll: I don't view that as cross-project, not like docs team is telling us "do X or else!" | 17:06 |
| rloo | wrt subteams, jroll mentioned last week that he had some thought about subteams. also, we tend to update that after the summit/priorities are clearer, so maybe let's defer that til later? | 17:07 |
| jroll | JayF: I guess, I don't mind putting it there, though I think I'd prefer for those to be priorities | 17:07 |
| jroll | yeah what rloo said | 17:07 |
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| * jroll tries to remember the thoughts he had | 17:07 | |
| * rloo turning blue waiting for jroll to remember ! | 17:08 | |
| jroll | let's move on for now :D | 17:08 |
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| jroll | #topic subteam status reports | 17:09 |
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| jroll | #link | 17:09 |
| jroll | oops. | 17:09 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:09 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 17:09 |
| jroll | as always | 17:09 |
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| jroll | around line 83 this time | 17:09 |
| * jroll reviews and waits for questions | 17:09 | |
| rloo | dtantsur: is the 'high' nova bug a very high bug? | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | rloo, dunno, haven't had a chance to look | 17:10 |
| * dtantsur finds it | 17:10 | |
| rloo | cuz, you know, we don't want to annoy the nova folks :D | 17:10 |
| jroll | I see 10 new bugs, hopefully from people testing newton :D | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1599836 | 17:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1599836 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Booting Ironic instance, neutron port remains in DOWN state" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Vasyl Saienko (vsaienko) | 17:10 |
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| dtantsur | at least it's in progress | 17:10 |
| rloo | thx dtantsur. vasyl is looking at it so that is good. | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | jroll, various stuff, newton included iirc | 17:11 |
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| jroll | cool | 17:11 |
| * jroll can also bug johnthetubaguy about picking that fix back up | 17:11 | |
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| dtantsur | this might be high as well: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1629133 | 17:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1629133 in devstack "New neutron subnet pool support breaks multinode testing." [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Dr. Jens Rosenboom (j-rosenboom-j) | 17:12 |
| rloo | jroll: can we do an ironic-lib release to unblock the root device hints? | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | just haven't got to it yet | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | rloo++ and to unblock the whole disk job | 17:12 |
| jroll | rloo: release team told me to wait for this week - I'll bug them today | 17:12 |
| jroll | it's already proposed | 17:12 |
| rloo | jroll: thx | 17:12 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, thanks for that | 17:12 |
| jroll | anything else on this topic? | 17:14 |
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| jroll | lucasagomes: rloo: now I'm told after final release, so next week | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | we can move on I think | 17:15 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, cool | 17:16 |
| rloo | jroll: boo :-( | 17:16 |
| jroll | ok next up | 17:16 |
| jroll | #topic summit session proposals | 17:16 |
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| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-ocata-summit | 17:16 |
| jroll | so I wanted us to kind of go over this and see if we can get a rough list | 17:16 |
| jroll | and finalize during the next meeting if needed | 17:16 |
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| jroll | down at the bottom I added some sessions about work for ocata that didn't have a session proposed - does I kind of feel like we should bias toward that, otherwise we'll just talk about future work that we aren't doing any time soon | 17:18 |
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| mat128 | o/ | 17:18 |
| jroll | do folks agree/disagree? | 17:18 |
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| rloo | jroll: any constraints to this? eg, do we want to focus on stuff that we want to land in ocata, or that need to be discussed in order to land in ocata+P (eg nova-related ones)? | 17:18 |
| mgould | jroll: sounds like a good idea | 17:18 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | should we place votes for interest in the proposed sessions on the etherpad? | 17:19 |
| jroll | rloo: I mean, if we need to make significant progress in ocata, that fits in my mind | 17:19 |
| gabriel-bezerra | it seems like the nicks there are for proposers only | 17:19 |
| jroll | even if it isn't done until pike because nova | 17:19 |
| rloo | jroll: gotcha | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | jroll, leaving comments there | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | gabriel-bezerra, before we vote, we need to figure out what actually requires a session | 17:20 |
| gabriel-bezerra | got it | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | some things there are like "please review my spec" | 17:20 |
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| dtantsur | and anyway, ocata will probably not have too many new features, in addition to what jroll put there... | 17:20 |
| jroll | indeed | 17:20 |
| rloo | jroll: wrt your list at the bottom, are we looking at one session per item? | 17:20 |
| jroll | short cycle, don't forget :) | 17:20 |
| jroll | rloo: yes | 17:20 |
| rloo | jroll: eg rolling upgrades, i don't think we need a session for it. unless it is to eg approve the spec. we have already talked about it in previous summit | 17:21 |
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| vdrok | jroll: by portgroups, you mean number 3? | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | let's use the contributor meetup for "approve the spec" work, maybe? | 17:21 |
| jroll | rloo: okay - fwiw I'm fine with a session (for most features) to get a spec in an approvble state | 17:22 |
| jroll | contributor meetup is also okay | 17:22 |
| vdrok | under the 1. networking | 17:22 |
| rloo | dtantsur: the contributor meetup is fri afternoon? i am not sure. | 17:22 |
| jroll | vdrok: no, the portgroups functionality being worked on now | 17:22 |
| jroll | rloo: it is | 17:22 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i'd rather have a session devoted to spec approvals/discussions | 17:22 |
| vdrok | jroll: but it's mostly done right? only configdrive missing? | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | rloo, this will end up with very few people talking, I'm afraid. unless we split into working groups. | 17:22 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: what do we need, wrt getting specs approved? | 17:23 |
| rloo | dtantsur: the few people that are opinionated ;) | 17:23 |
| jroll | vdrok: right, it isn't merged, so I included it in that list. I think it's important to figure out the plans for networking | 17:23 |
| jroll | vdrok: so maybe "merge portgroups now" is part of that plan | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | rloo, so, we have two cases: 1. needs discussion/arguing - a case for a session, 2. needs fixing small issues and careful reading - a case for the contributor meetup IMO | 17:23 |
| rloo | dtantsur: we should be able to do 2 offline, i mean, like our current process of reviewing etc. | 17:24 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: or a spec review session. or maybe we should think about holding those once every week or two. i think that has been suggested in the past. | 17:24 |
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| yuriyz|2 | +1 | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | I'm all for having a monthly call for things like specs, urgent discussions, etc | 17:25 |
| milan | rloo +1 for periodic spec reviews | 17:25 |
| jroll | yeah, ditto | 17:25 |
| rloo | dtantsur: quite frankly, when i look/review a spec, it isn't a one-hour affair. it could take days. wrt notification, i ended up looking at nova. so i can't just review 'at the time' and +/- anything. | 17:25 |
| TheJulia | I would <3 a monthly call | 17:25 |
| JayF | I'd love a periodic spec review thing | 17:25 |
| mat128 | +1 | 17:26 |
| JayF | there are a lot of times when just context from other folks can help remove concern or allow for clarification of the spec | 17:26 |
| milan | JayF, exactly | 17:26 |
| * rloo thinks we might be discussing retrospective/ etc, not summit sessions :) | 17:26 | |
| jroll | hehe | 17:26 |
| jroll | yeah so back on track a bit | 17:26 |
| rloo | ok, focus, focus on design sessions :) | 17:26 |
| jroll | I think we can eliminate some of these now | 17:26 |
| rloo | jroll: wrt notifications, i think we're good. | 17:27 |
| jroll | e.g. 13-15 I think are out, I don't see anything really to do there | 17:27 |
| rloo | jroll: i mean, i didn't look at latest revisions, but i think things are moving along. i am hoping the crud spec gets approved this week. (if yuriy agrees with me, ha ha.) | 17:27 |
| jroll | rloo: got it, wrote it down, thanks | 17:28 |
| rloo | jroll: i think it would be good to have one session to go over whatever high priority items, to get the status and address whatever might be blocking them. | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | ++ for removing 13-15 right away | 17:28 |
| jroll | rloo: okay, I'm cool with that | 17:28 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, yeah | 17:29 |
| jroll | does anyone disagree with removing 13-15 | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | #9 == #5 as well (apart from luks) | 17:29 |
| * jroll waits 30s and then just does it | 17:29 | |
| mat128 | jroll: +1 to removing 13-15 | 17:29 |
| rloo | wrt 13, i think someone should just reach out to bruno, looks like he is looking for guidance. and i think he sent out email about it. | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | lucasagomes++ we can scope it to "how to pass advanced information from nova" | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, yup | 17:30 |
| rloo | honestly, i don't think we should actually DELETE the stuff from that etherpad. just indicate that they will not be considered. | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | because it's the only hard point, everything else is solveable (not in ocata, I guess) | 17:30 |
| jroll | rloo: +1, I've also been in contact with some people about redfish offline | 17:30 |
| mat128 | rloo: it was changed to strikethrough | 17:30 |
| jroll | rloo: +1, when I say delete I mean strike through | 17:30 |
| mat128 | rloo: soft-delete if you want :) | 17:30 |
| rloo | mat128: strikethrough is OK :) | 17:30 |
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| yuriyz|2 | rloo i revorked the spec based on your proposal totally agree with you :) | 17:31 |
| rloo | we had a session on redfish 2, 3? summits ago | 17:31 |
| rloo | yuriyz|2: thx, will look today :) | 17:31 |
| jroll | so #10, CUPS thing, I don't really care to talk about that specific case but rather talk about some sort of task framework that could include that case | 17:31 |
| mat128 | rloo: I remember that in Vancouver | 17:31 |
| xek | jroll, +1 | 17:32 |
| rloo | wrt redfish -- if we think that is something we'd like to have soon, and there has been more work on redfish, would be worth having a session | 17:32 |
| rloo | jroll: ++ | 17:32 |
| rloo | jroll: I mean ++ wrt the task framework | 17:32 |
| jroll | rloo: cool | 17:33 |
| mgould | ah, Compute Usage Per Second, not Common Unix Printing System :-) | 17:33 |
| mgould | thank goodness for that | 17:33 |
| devananda | rloo: I believe there's a lot more interest in redfish now than a year+ ago. but we still need someone to lead the actual implementation of it | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | lol, I also liked that | 17:33 |
| rloo | mgould: ironic is going into the printing business | 17:33 |
| jroll | devananda: do you think the redfish stuff is in any sort of state to have a summit session or just needs work for now? | 17:33 |
| jroll | work/people/etc | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | devananda, yeah, I wonder if we actually have something to discuss, or do we need to get on a spec first... | 17:34 |
| mgould | rloo: NOOOOooooOOOOOoooOOOO.... | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | mgould, ++ yeah that what came to mind when I first read that | 17:34 |
| devananda | jroll: bcornec has a presentation on it, and I've asked the interested parties at several companies to meet after that | 17:34 |
| jroll | we're only deploying printers, not managing them, don't worry | 17:34 |
| * jroll imagines literal cleaning steps | 17:34 | |
| mgould | whew | 17:34 |
| jroll | devananda: so, probably not? | 17:34 |
| mat128 | jroll: self-clean much? :) | 17:34 |
| JayF | I don't know why anyone could hate software that includes something called "foomatic" | 17:34 |
| devananda | without someone leading the work (and I don't expect to have time) I don't think it's worth a dedicated session on it | 17:34 |
| devananda | and there's not much to do _in_ ironic | 17:34 |
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| jroll | devananda: thanks, I believe you're the most educated on this subject (in this meeting) so deferring to you and striking that out | 17:35 |
| devananda | it'll be another power driver. that's NBD. but we need someone to write the python things, the tests, etc, before it's really possible to accept that driver in-tree | 17:35 |
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| JayF | I mean another argument for striking it out would be that we'd never have a session like that for a vendor driver :) | 17:35 |
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| dtantsur | 3rd party CI... | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | or something like virtualbmc | 17:35 |
| devananda | dtantsur: right. or in-tree CI. | 17:36 |
| rloo | JayF: we did have a session for eg ansible driver | 17:36 |
| mat128 | dtantsur: oh please, virtualbmc for redfish! | 17:36 |
| cdearborn | I'm interested in participating in redfish related discussions | 17:36 |
| devananda | JayF: fair, however, it should be open source and cross-vendor, so because of that, I can see us holding space for it | 17:36 |
| JayF | rloo: I guess that's true; but it mostly started out as a controversial spec, no? | 17:36 |
| jroll | dtantsur: mat128: people are talking about a redfish server reference implementation, I think CI will happen that way :) | 17:36 |
| devananda | what jroll said ^ | 17:36 |
| mat128 | jroll: thats perfect then :) | 17:36 |
| jroll | anyway I don't think a session is useful for redfish, let's move on :P | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | good, but it should happen at the same time as the driver | 17:37 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: or before :) | 17:37 |
| lucasagomes | mat128, yeah, it's ReST so should be easy to add it to vbmc | 17:37 |
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| dtantsur | even better :) | 17:37 |
| rloo | btw, does anyone have a link to the email wrt the number of rooms we have? i forgot. is it 4 + 4? | 17:37 |
| jroll | vdrok: dynamic portgroups is about specifying portgroup (or not) and such in nova, right? | 17:37 |
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| jroll | rloo: I think 4+4, yeah, I'll double check | 17:37 |
| vdrok | jroll: yep, allowing to specify these things in nova and ironic will be creating portgroups on the fly | 17:38 |
| jroll | Ironic: 4fb 4wr cm | 17:38 |
| jroll | vdrok: okay | 17:38 |
| rloo | jroll: thx. | 17:38 |
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| rloo | jroll: wrt #3. why do you think it is a bit early to discuss dynamic portgroups? | 17:39 |
| jroll | rloo: we need portgroups at all, first, and I think the other networking features like vlan aware instances are much more important | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | because we don't have regular portgroups yet? /me is guessing | 17:40 |
| devananda | ++ vlan aware instances | 17:40 |
| jroll | I don't see a huge use case for specifying whether or not an instance has portgroups | 17:40 |
| rloo | jroll: oh. i thought the regular portgroups was 'almost' done, ie patches to be reviewed. (but i haven't looked) | 17:40 |
| TheJulia | There is a use case if your using ironic to manage more than just "instances" for "guests" | 17:41 |
| rloo | definitely vlan aware instances | 17:41 |
| jroll | rloo: but it isn't done. | 17:41 |
| devananda | jroll: what about a session on provisioning other types of devices, eg. TOR switches? | 17:41 |
| rloo | jroll: i know. but if that dynamic portgroups involves nova, shouldn't we discuss sooner rather than later? | 17:41 |
| jroll | so I want to cap this topic pretty soon, lucasagomes also has a thing on the agenda | 17:41 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, mine's quick I think | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | we get discuss lucasagomes' topic, then get back to sessions | 17:42 |
| jroll | devananda: nobody has proposed a session about that, there is an RFE and a spec in progress though. | 17:42 |
| rloo | dtantsur: so you don't need a session for inspector? | 17:42 |
| rloo | dtantsur: #6 | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | rloo, I don't think so | 17:42 |
| jroll | rloo: maybe - it's unclear if there's major changes to make to nova though | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | we have a lot of pretty well defined work to finish... | 17:42 |
| jroll | TheJulia: I'm curious on that use case but I'll ask later | 17:42 |
| rloo | jroll: ok. let's identify what stuff (that we want to land in ocata, early pike) touches nova or neutron | 17:43 |
| TheJulia | jroll: later ++ | 17:43 |
| jroll | rloo: +1 | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | and the work we're planning requires pretty good knowledge of inspector, so it would be boring for most of folks | 17:43 |
| rloo | dtantsur: so we can strikethrough #6? | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | rloo, done | 17:44 |
| rloo | thx! | 17:44 |
| milan | we can always have a hallway sync-up on the status ;) | 17:44 |
| jroll | okay, so this was super useful (for me at least). should we have folks vote on the remaining sessions and go from there? | 17:44 |
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| jroll | rloo: and can you add one in the list for "unblock high prio things"? | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | milan, I think we'll do | 17:44 |
| rloo | jroll: will do | 17:44 |
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| jroll | thanks | 17:44 |
| jroll | folks, please vote on the topics this week when you get a chance, I hope to finalize the list next week | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | wait a second | 17:45 |
| * jroll moves to lucas | 17:45 | |
| jroll | ? | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | ah, ok, let's give the mic to lucas | 17:45 |
| jroll | heh | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | :D | 17:45 |
| jroll | #topic Whole disk image inconsistency between pxe_* and agent_* drivers. Which approach to take ? | 17:45 |
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| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375481/ | 17:45 |
| jroll | all yours lucasagomes | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | thanks, so mine should be quick... it's just an inconsistency that we have between the agent_* and pxe_* drivers | 17:45 |
| vdrok | I'd vote for local boot for all drivers :) | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | when deploying a whole disk image wihtout explicit setting the boot_option, both drivers will differ | 17:46 |
| vdrok | as default of course | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | agent_* will assume we want to boot from the HD and will set the boot device to do it so at the end of the deployment | 17:46 |
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| lucasagomes | and pxe_* will first PXE boot and chainload it to the local disk bootloader | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | I think we should fix that because apart from the name both drivers uses the same boot interface | 17:47 |
| mat128 | lucasagomes: does agent_* support *always* netbooting? | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | I just don't know which approach is the "correct" one | 17:47 |
| devananda | I think the majority of our users today expect local boot, based on conversations I have had | 17:47 |
| mat128 | and does pxe_* support local disk boot? | 17:47 |
| vdrok | yep | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | mat128, not that I'm aware of, it could do | 17:47 |
| JayF | There is already an RFE bug open to change the default to localboot, iirc | 17:47 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: have you spoken with the tripleo team about this? | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | mat128, pxe)* yes | 17:47 |
| mat128 | lucasagomes: then standardizing on the common denominator seems like the way to go | 17:47 |
| JayF | -1 | 17:47 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, I have not, but dtantsur has some work to have local boot to be the default in Ironic | 17:48 |
| jroll | devananda: other than compatibility, is there a reason to speak with the tripleo team about that default changing? | 17:48 |
| JayF | If we change the agent driver to do pxe boot by default, we're changing behavior that a user has started relying on | 17:48 |
| JayF | in fact, that kinda goes both ways | 17:48 |
| mat128 | JayF: I was suggesting the other way around | 17:48 |
| JayF | so no matter what we do, we'll have to do a deprecation period, right? | 17:48 |
| jroll | JayF: right, that's the hard part about fixing this is compat | 17:48 |
| devananda | jroll: last I heard (which was quite a while ago) some of their tools expected the default (net boot) behavior | 17:48 |
| mat128 | JayF: local boot everything, network boot only if requested | 17:48 |
| JayF | mat128: I'm +1 to that, but we still ahve to do a deprecation period | 17:48 |
| devananda | so if we change the default AND they don't explicitly set it, we may break some things | 17:48 |
| mat128 | JayF: as usual | 17:48 |
| lucasagomes | honestly I prefer the agent_* way, because the whole disk image independent of being first booted by PXE still needs to have a bootloader | 17:48 |
| JayF | maybe make the default behavior changable via config option? | 17:49 |
| lucasagomes | so it seems to be a waste to PXE boot first | 17:49 |
| mat128 | always netbooting has scalability impacts | 17:49 |
| jroll | devananda: right, so again proper deprecation needs to happen | 17:49 |
| devananda | JayF: let's not introduce a default for setting defaults :) | 17:49 |
| jroll | heh | 17:49 |
| devananda | jroll: well, it's not a deprecation question, AIUI. | 17:49 |
| devananda | we're just proposing to change the default of an exiting setting, right? | 17:49 |
| jroll | devananda: the question is which direction to fix the inconsistency | 17:49 |
| JayF | devananda: that's what I'm saying; I don't believe that behavior is configurable today | 17:50 |
| mat128 | JayF: if it was, would that be per-driver? | 17:50 |
| JayF | devananda: not in a global-ironic.conf way (vs being set for the deployment) | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | devananda, tripleo requires local boot | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | (sorry, got distracted) | 17:50 |
| JayF | mat128: *shrug* idk | 17:50 |
| jroll | so, if most users (including tripleo) use localboot, I suggest local boot be the default | 17:51 |
| * dtantsur is not entirely sure why, probably to reduce dependency on the undercloud | 17:51 | |
| mat128 | JayF: if it's per driver, everyone can have their default, if it's global then we have to converge | 17:51 |
| devananda | dtantsur: ah. in that case, great | 17:51 |
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| JayF | mat128: "per driver" in a cycle when we're trying to change how drivers work gets /really/ sticky, hehe | 17:51 |
| mat128 | JayF: yeeah :S lol | 17:51 |
| mat128 | jroll: ++ | 17:51 |
| jroll | does anyone *disagree* with local boot being the default here? | 17:51 |
| devananda | ++ localboot | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | also, we don't need to remove the "always pxe boot" case, we can make it valid when boot_option=netboot is explict set, as long both drivers behaves the same way | 17:52 |
| jroll | right | 17:52 |
| rloo | so shiv isn't here, but it seems like he disagrees | 17:52 |
| mat128 | lucasagomes: drivers that dont support it should crash early | 17:53 |
| jroll | rloo: I wish he was here, so I could ask "if the driver was named iscsi_* would you still disagree" | 17:53 |
| lucasagomes | mat128, right | 17:53 |
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| * jroll asks in review | 17:53 | |
| rloo | jroll: yeah. my bad for not looking at this patch before the meeting... | 17:53 |
| jroll | rloo: it's okay. | 17:54 |
| jroll | also, not everybody needs to agree | 17:54 |
| lucasagomes | +1 for localboot from /me | 17:54 |
| jroll | I would like to understand the disagreement, but majority tends to rule | 17:54 |
| rloo | jroll: but we're a nice big happy family. i want everyone to agree :) kidding aside, i think localboot makes sense. | 17:54 |
| jroll | okay, once more, does anyone *disagree* with local boot being the default here? | 17:55 |
| jroll | it sounds like no | 17:55 |
| jroll | alright, let's do it | 17:56 |
| jroll | with deprecation and such | 17:56 |
| lucasagomes | cool, thank you all! | 17:56 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:56 |
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| jroll | anyone have a thing? | 17:56 |
| JayF | I'm going to be starting up a project this week to walk through the install guide, test it, find and bug or fix deficiencies | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | JayF++ | 17:57 |
| JayF | if anyone has any interest in working with me on this, lmk offline | 17:57 |
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| jroll | ++ | 17:58 |
| jroll | alright, good meeting today, thank you all :) | 17:58 |
| mariojv | o/ | 17:58 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, that's cool, there are many permutations on the way to setup things are planning to test it all ? Or pick some approaches ? | 17:58 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
| vdrok | thank you | 17:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 3 17:58:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-10-03-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-10-03-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-10-03-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
| lucasagomes | let's go to the channel :D | 17:58 |
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| jroll | whoops sorry to cut you off lucasagomes :D | 17:58 |
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| lucasagomes | jroll, no worries | 17:58 |
| devananda | JayF: if I have time, I am interested. certain other things have freed up some time lately, and i think improving docs is really important. | 17:59 |
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| flwang | #startmeeting zaqar | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 3 18:01:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is flwang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zaqar)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zaqar' | 18:01 |
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| flwang | anybody around? | 18:02 |
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| vkmc | flwang, o/ | 18:02 |
| flwang | vkmc: hey | 18:02 |
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| vkmc | flwang, all good? | 18:02 |
| flwang | vkmc: all good, i just completed all the visa stuff | 18:03 |
| flwang | so ready to go | 18:03 |
| vkmc | flwang, awesome! | 18:03 |
| vkmc | I saw you have a talk | 18:03 |
| flwang | vkmc: yes, which is related to the work we done in newton | 18:03 |
| flwang | zaqar could be the broker between aodh and mistral to trigger heat stack update | 18:04 |
| flwang | #topic code review | 18:05 |
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| flwang | give it's end of release, we don't have much urgent patches for review | 18:06 |
| flwang | here are the 2 patches related to SSL support https://review.openstack.org/348107 and https://review.openstack.org/352685 | 18:06 |
| flwang | it may block any production deployment if they want to use HTTPS | 18:07 |
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| vkmc | all right | 18:09 |
| flwang | vkmc: and here is the proposed topic for summit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zaqar-ocata-summit | 18:09 |
| flwang | given this is a short cycle, i don't want to plan too much stuff | 18:10 |
| flwang | generally, i will focus on improving the stability and performance to make it in a production-ready status | 18:11 |
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| vkmc | sounds good to me | 18:14 |
| vkmc | we discussed this some weeks ago | 18:14 |
| flwang | vkmc: could you pls leave your comments on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zaqar-ocata-summit? though basically we can cover all those 4 topics since we have 3 slots | 18:15 |
| flwang | vkmc: yep | 18:15 |
| vkmc | a stabilization cycle considering the low bandwidth we have makes sense | 18:15 |
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| vkmc | sure | 18:15 |
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| vkmc | flwang, anything else you wanted to mention? | 18:18 |
| flwang | vkmc: nope, that's all i want to highlight | 18:18 |
| vkmc | flwang, cool! | 18:18 |
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| flwang | anything else from you? | 18:18 |
| flwang | ok, good | 18:19 |
| flwang | short meeting | 18:19 |
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| flwang | vkmc: thank you for attending | 18:19 |
| flwang | #endmeeting | 18:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 3 18:20:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-10-03-18.01.html | 18:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-10-03-18.01.txt | 18:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zaqar/2016/zaqar.2016-10-03-18.01.log.html | 18:20 |
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| vkmc | thanks flwang ! | 18:21 |
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