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| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 4 13:01:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 13:01 | |
| matjazp | hey all | 13:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 13:01 |
| matjazp | roll call | 13:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 13:01 |
| ianychoi_phone | Hi all! | 13:01 |
| matjazp | #link Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 13:01 |
| matjazp | hey ianychoi_phone ildikov | 13:01 |
| csatari | hi | 13:02 |
| kmARC | o/ | 13:02 |
| ianychoi_phone | :) Nice to see all in new time slot :) | 13:02 |
| matjazp | ianychoi_phone: you can go to bed much earlier today ;) | 13:02 |
| ianychoi_phone | Wow hi csatari and kmARC ! | 13:02 |
| ianychoi_phone | Yey~~! | 13:02 |
| matjazp | hey csatari kmARC | 13:02 |
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| kmARC | yeah, I arrived on time to the beautiful Frankfurt | 13:02 |
| ildikov | hi All :) | 13:03 |
| ianychoi_phone | Wow Frankfurt..! | 13:03 |
| ildikov | kmARC: I'm glad you made it :) | 13:03 |
| matjazp | kmARC: you're at the airport? | 13:03 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello | 13:03 |
| ildikov | that's a nice one, I had meeting there before :D | 13:03 |
| ianychoi_phone | Hello diablo_rojo_phon ! | 13:04 |
| matjazp | hey diablo_rojo_phon | 13:04 |
| kmARC | matjazp: No I'm already at hotel | 13:04 |
| kmARC | I came by car | 13:04 |
| matjazp | kmARC: much better than airport :) | 13:04 |
| ildikov | this meeting slot looks good so far | 13:04 |
| * matjazp looks at the agenda | 13:04 | |
| ianychoi_phone | I agree thank a lot ildikov | 13:05 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I will put up a patch to secure this channel, when you confirm it too | 13:05 |
| matjazp | ildikov: yes, as soon as I get my winter schedule | 13:05 |
| ildikov | ianychoi_phone: we cannot do it any earlier, or I need to look for a completely other slot that can fit to everyone :( | 13:05 |
| matjazp | the problem is that my schedule changes twice a year (winter and summer term) | 13:05 |
| ildikov | ianychoi_phone: but please let us know if it's still close to undoable for you | 13:06 |
| ildikov | matjazp: got it, I hope this slot works out and then we will see how things go later | 13:06 |
| ianychoi_phone | ildikov: That's completely fine to me. I hope that matjazp 's schedule will also fit :) | 13:06 |
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| ildikov | cool, tnx all for the quick votes, etc :) | 13:07 |
| matjazp | ildikov: sadly, I can confirm just for one semester... the alternative is if this is outside business hours | 13:07 |
| ildikov | we can move with the agenda :) | 13:07 |
| matjazp | sure | 13:07 |
| matjazp | #topic Review of action items from the previous meeting | 13:08 |
| ianychoi_phone | Yep | 13:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review of action items from the previous meeting (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 13:08 | |
| matjazp | see meeting minutes at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-09-26-17.01.html | 13:08 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I will look up possible other slots, I'm fine with outside work hours too | 13:08 |
| matjazp | ildikov: let's just wait and we'll adapt | 13:08 |
| ianychoi_phone | For my action on LP, infra team said currently there is storyboard | 13:09 |
| matjazp | ianychoi_phone: there is a controversy about that LP vs Storyboard? | 13:09 |
| ildikov | matjazp: ack | 13:09 |
| matjazp | we should teach what ever is "the ususal" way for most projects | 13:09 |
| ianychoi_phone | The team said existing both would not be good | 13:09 |
| ildikov | matjazp: majority is still using LP | 13:09 |
| matjazp | so we should convince infra team to revert to LP | 13:10 |
| matjazp | what do you all think? | 13:10 |
| ildikov | the plan was a while ago to move to Storyboard, but I haven't heard that the plan would be executed so far | 13:10 |
| ianychoi_phone | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375834/ | 13:10 |
| ildikov | I think the plan is still to move away from LP and use something that's open source | 13:10 |
| ianychoi_phone | I proposed this as an agenda on the next infra tram irc meeting | 13:11 |
| ianychoi_phone | Can someone attend the meeting? | 13:11 |
| ildikov | so I don't think convincing is an option here, but I can ask where we are with this | 13:11 |
| matjazp | ildikov: ok so dillema is: teach what is used by most projects NOW or teach what will (?) be used in the future | 13:11 |
| ildikov | a sandbox page would be useful somewhere, maybe at both places as for instance I don't know how storyboard works and would be nice to learn if we have a few projects using that | 13:12 |
| ianychoi_phone | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 13:12 |
| ildikov | ianychoi_phone: I can attend that | 13:12 |
| matjazp | Infra team is pushing towards storyboard for all projects? | 13:13 |
| ildikov | matjazp: teach what we have now and that includes Stpryboard, so we should highlight that too | 13:13 |
| ianychoi_phone | Since the meeting time is 4 am here.. it is difficult for me to attend.. | 13:13 |
| matjazp | #action ildikov attends infra team meeting regarding LP vs storyboard | 13:13 |
| ianychoi_phone | matjazp: this is on-going plan, as what I heard.. | 13:13 |
| matjazp | ildikov: we can show both, no problems there, but sandbox can be linked to one or the oher | 13:14 |
| matjazp | other | 13:14 |
| ianychoi_phone | But still current lots of projects use LP.. | 13:14 |
| kmARC | (TBH I thought this Storyboard is dead long ago, since it's been pushed for like 1.5 years now, and nothing happened...) | 13:14 |
| ildikov | ianychoi_phone: so the point here is that we shouldn't create a sandbox project in LP, right? | 13:14 |
| matjazp | kmARC: I got the same feeling | 13:14 |
| ianychoi_phone | ildikov: yep and also LP vs storyboard | 13:14 |
| ianychoi_phone | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/?#!/story/2000734 | 13:15 |
| ianychoi_phone | I briefly summarized possible discussions.. | 13:15 |
| matjazp | ok, lets discuss this at the next meeting, after ildikov talks with infra team, ok? | 13:15 |
| ildikov | ianychoi_phone: ok, tnx | 13:15 |
| ildikov | matjazp: +1 | 13:16 |
| ianychoi_phone | +1 :) | 13:16 |
| SotK | kmARC, matjazp: StoryBoard is not dead (see https://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/task-tracker.html for infra's migration plans) | 13:16 |
| matjazp | will we have time to adapt the training for either one? or do we just teach LP for Barcelona anyways? | 13:16 |
| kmARC | SotK: so is any other project using it besides infra_ | 13:16 |
| kmARC | ? | 13:16 |
| ianychoi_phone | SotK: thanks for the link | 13:16 |
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| ianychoi_phone | AFAIK not yet.. | 13:17 |
| SotK | just infra and some other newly-formed since Austin projects iirc | 13:17 |
| kmARC | SotK: so that's why we thought it's dead :-) | 13:18 |
| SotK | new projects are welcome to use it these days (talk to infra) | 13:18 |
| matjazp | #action LP vs Storyboard: we discuss about what we will use at the barcelona training at the next meeting | 13:18 |
| SotK | kmARC: yep, it is an understandable conclusion :) | 13:18 |
| ianychoi_phone | IMO since still lots of projects use LP, LP would be more relevant for upstream training and it is also good to introduce what storyboard is | 13:18 |
| kmARC | aggree | 13:19 |
| matjazp | ok, we can decide that next week. I hope it will give us enough time to prepare everything for Barcelona | 13:19 |
| ianychoi_phone | I really hope so | 13:19 |
| ildikov | ianychoi_phone: I agree, let's have a longer block on LP and introduce Storyboard too if someone would look into Infra and/or any new projects that are using that | 13:20 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: you had two action items from last week | 13:20 |
| matjazp | doodle is done, obviously | 13:20 |
| ildikov | yeap, I haven't talked to kmARC yet, so I'm happy he made it to the meeting :) | 13:21 |
| matjazp | kmARC: how is the testing going? | 13:21 |
| kmARC | I didn't have time for it, sorry :-( I moved last week. But now it's done, will do my part during this week | 13:22 |
| ianychoi | kmARC, that's fine and also I have not uploaded any issues on your github T.T | 13:22 |
| matjazp | do we ned to publicise this task (testing) more? send mail to the ML, etc? | 13:22 |
| ildikov | kmARC: on the last meeting others confirmed that Devstack eats much memory, so I'm not sure how much improvement can be done on that part | 13:22 |
| matjazp | ildikov: true... I switched to 6 GB VM because of that | 13:23 |
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| ildikov | kmARC: what would be great to do is get at least one instance up in DreamCompute | 13:24 |
| ildikov | kmARC: just to see how things come together there if people would have issues with a 6GB VM | 13:24 |
| matjazp | ildikov: yes, for trainees that will have troubles with their laptop | 13:24 |
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| ildikov | kmARC: can you by any chance give that one a try too? | 13:25 |
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| matjazp | damn, my irc client crashed | 13:27 |
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| kmARC | ildikov: | 13:27 |
| kmARC | yes | 13:27 |
| ianychoi | Hmm.. matjazp, no talk during your crash time :) | 13:27 |
| ildikov | matjazp: you didn't miss any message :) | 13:27 |
| kmARC | let's make a note on this | 13:27 |
| matjazp | #action kmARC tests devstack in a cloud VM | 13:28 |
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| ildikov | kmARC: coolio, I will contact Stefano to give you access, will add you to the mail | 13:28 |
| ildikov | kmARC: tnx!!! | 13:28 |
| ianychoi | Good :) | 13:28 |
| matjazp | #topic Upstream training - review queue | 13:28 |
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| matjazp | open patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/training-guides+status:open,n,z | 13:29 |
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| matjazp | regarding git review: I use brew to install it... and a lot of other macOS ppl use that too, so maybe we can add this? what do others use (if you use macOS)? | 13:30 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I don't use git review, I'm happy with git push... :) | 13:31 |
| ildikov | matjazp: but I think brew is quite common | 13:32 |
| matjazp | ildikov: hey, that is not what are you teaching to the trainees ;) | 13:32 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I will have my open patch rebased in the next hour or so. | 13:32 |
| ianychoi | matjazp, I am also revising git-review document, and two reviewers advised me to use another command rather than brew | 13:32 |
| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/380964 | 13:32 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: yes, I saw that, but I'm still wondering abou it | 13:32 |
| matjazp | macOS without brew is useless ;) | 13:33 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I actually planned to explain them what's the command behind it, sometimes it's good to know as git review tends to swallow error messages... | 13:33 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: sure, but that could also overload them with detailed info.. be carefult about that | 13:33 |
| ianychoi | matjazp, is brew a public package manager? | 13:34 |
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| matjazp | ianychoi: http://brew.sh/ | 13:34 |
| matjazp | brew = apt for mac | 13:34 |
| ianychoi | For me, I do not care either pip or brew.. but some people say that for official documentation, pip is better | 13:35 |
| matjazp | it is open source (if that is what are you asking) | 13:35 |
| ianychoi | I do not have much detail knowledge on the detail reasonings.. | 13:35 |
| ianychoi | IMO for upstream training, brew can be used | 13:36 |
| matjazp | never mind, we can discuss this in the patch comments | 13:36 |
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| matjazp | it is a bit personal preference, I guess | 13:37 |
| ianychoi | Then, documenting both brew and pip would be nice for upstream training? | 13:37 |
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| matjazp | anything that we need to talk about in the review queue? | 13:37 |
| ildikov | numbering maybe? | 13:38 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: I believe so.. we do have brew in some other places | 13:38 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | ildikov: you beat me to it :) | 13:38 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I think it needs to go away | 13:38 |
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| matjazp | #topic Upstream training - chapter numbering | 13:38 |
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| ianychoi | matjazp, I see.. I will propose a new patch for that :) | 13:38 |
| ildikov | I mean the files of the slides are numbered currently and it makes the structure quite inflexible | 13:38 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Cause it's broken IE there was a huge gap in the numbering system and it just leads to more work renaming everytime a new section is added or moved | 13:39 |
| matjazp | ildikov: I like Docs solution | 13:39 |
| matjazp | we're talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380789/ | 13:39 |
| matjazp | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380789/ | 13:39 |
| ildikov | matjazp: Docs solution? | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | matjazp wrote the comment on the review | 13:40 |
| matjazp | yes, look at the last comment | 13:41 |
| ildikov | Gerrit is slow at least in my browser today, sorry | 13:41 |
| matjazp | ildikov: +1 | 13:42 |
| ianychoi | me too infra team needs to reboot gerrit instances.. | 13:42 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I like you proposal in general, although it might lead to very long filenames | 13:42 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Grouping is fine I suppose, but the actual numerical system I think is not helpful. | 13:42 |
| matjazp | ildikov: not if we're careful | 13:43 |
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| ildikov | I agree, grouping does not affect flexibility as opposed to numbers | 13:43 |
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| ildikov | so I'm fine with that direction | 13:43 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I also fear the file names getting long, but we can go with it for now | 13:44 |
| matjazp | ok.. I have to upgrade my irc client... sierra does not play nice with it ;) | 13:44 |
| matjazp | #info we replace numbering scheme and use terms as grouping chapters together | 13:44 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/consistency-file-rename | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | Just FYI :) | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | Since we already use hyphens, it is fine | 13:46 |
| ianychoi | I am also fine to removing numbers and use some terms as grouping file names.. | 13:46 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Okay. I'll do that today. | 13:47 |
| matjazp | #info we prefer hyphens over underbars in file names | 13:47 |
| ildikov | cool! | 13:47 |
| matjazp | #info file names must not be too long | 13:47 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | All noted :) | 13:48 |
| ildikov | :) | 13:48 |
| ianychoi | Cool :) | 13:48 |
| matjazp | do we need a hard limit for file name length? I don't like to define too much rules and conventions, and we're a small team so I guess it's not needed | 13:48 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I don't think it needs to be defined ahead of time | 13:49 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Just use your best judgement | 13:49 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo_phon: +1 | 13:49 |
| ianychoi | diablo_rojo_phon, +1 | 13:49 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo_phon: I agree, that's why I didn't put it in the info | 13:49 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Cool. | 13:50 |
| matjazp | ok, back to the review queue... anything else to discuss? | 13:50 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | And to respond to the other comment about changing the how to contribute section. ildikov and I felt that name didn't have anything to do with the real content of the section. | 13:50 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | I can change it back for now, but when that section gets updated, the name should get changed. | 13:51 |
| matjazp | we can do it in a later patch | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, "Administrivia" would be better term for 'how to contribute'? | 13:51 |
| matjazp | I prefer smaller patches anyway :) | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | +1 as matjazp | 13:52 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: the name 'How to contribute' indicates that we will talk about the contribution process | 13:52 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Okay that's fine. | 13:52 |
| matjazp | it also sometimes needlessly blocks a whole patch | 13:52 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | ildikov: +1 | 13:52 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: that slide has nothing to do with that it only guides through the Foundation registration and corresponding items | 13:53 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | And the CLA | 13:53 |
| matjazp | ildikov: but you must do that before you can proceed | 13:53 |
| matjazp | ildikov: so I guess it's debatable if this should be a part of the "contributing process" or not | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, okay. then another term such as 'Participation with identities'? | 13:54 |
| ildikov | matjazp: yes, but it's still not the "How" to contribute part, but the administration/prerequisites | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | Or 'Identify yourself'? | 13:54 |
| csatari | What if we rename it to Contribution bootstrapping or something like this? | 13:54 |
| matjazp | csatari: better term, yes | 13:54 |
| csatari | To indicate, that this is not about the contribution itself, but about the first steps. | 13:54 |
| matjazp | or requirements | 13:54 |
| matjazp | Contribution requirements | 13:55 |
| ildikov | I like Administrativa TBH :) | 13:55 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | ildikov: same lol | 13:55 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | All encompassing and just one word. | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | But it is not for admistrative purposes.. isn't it? | 13:55 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | It is. | 13:56 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi: it actually is from practical PoV | 13:56 |
| matjazp | huh.. 4 min left | 13:56 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | The CLA and registration with the foundation is all administration stuff that doesn't really have a lot to do with direct contributions, just being recognized and allowed to contribute. Like being registered to vote. | 13:56 |
| matjazp | just submit a patch and we can discuss this there | 13:56 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | In my understanding angway | 13:57 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Okay. I'll just change it back for now in this patch. | 13:57 |
| matjazp | #topic aob | 13:57 |
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| ildikov | ok, let's move this discussion to Gerrit, we will not decide it here | 13:57 |
| matjazp | anything else? | 13:57 |
| matjazp | 2 min | 13:57 |
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| ianychoi | ildikov, diablo_rojo_phon okay. It may be because English is not my first language... thanks | 13:57 |
| ildikov | we added a few notes to the main etherpad with diablo_rojo_phon: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-university-improvements | 13:58 |
| matjazp | #info https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-university-improvements | 13:58 |
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| ianychoi | Oh I will see them | 13:58 |
| matjazp | #undo | 13:58 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x7f66f475a590> | 13:58 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | ianychoi: no worries :) We can discuss it in a different patch. | 13:58 |
| matjazp | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-university-improvements | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | diablo_rojo_phon, thanks :) | 13:58 |
| ildikov | we're still looking for exercise ideas, so if anyone has add it either to the etherpad or upload it in a patch as a content update | 13:58 |
| matjazp | ok, time's up | 13:59 |
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| matjazp | thanks for participating | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | okay | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | thanks all today! | 13:59 |
| ildikov | tnx | 13:59 |
| matjazp | see you all next week | 13:59 |
| matjazp | bye! | 13:59 |
| ildikov | see you next week! | 13:59 |
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| csatari | bye | 13:59 |
| kmARC | bye | 13:59 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 4 14:00:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-10-04-13.01.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-10-04-13.01.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-10-04-13.01.log.html | 14:00 |
| tdurakov | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 4 14:00:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tdurakov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:01 |
| tdurakov | hello everyone | 14:01 |
| macsz | \o | 14:01 |
| pkoniszewski | o/ | 14:01 |
| raj_singh | o/ | 14:01 |
| tdurakov | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NovaLiveMigration | 14:01 |
| tdurakov | let's start | 14:01 |
| tdurakov | #topic CI | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:02 | |
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| tdurakov | pkoniszewski, raj_singh any updates on grenade? | 14:02 |
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| pkoniszewski | sure | 14:02 |
| pkoniszewski | so the job is almost ready, probably it will be merged in current state | 14:03 |
| pkoniszewski | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364809/ | 14:03 |
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| davidgiluk | o/ | 14:03 |
| pkoniszewski | there are still tests missing and I'm not sure which approach we should take | 14:03 |
| raj_singh | I made a test job to test LM + Neutron + Grenade + Moving VM source->target and then target->source. It all worked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nQGBZQrtT0 | 14:04 |
| pkoniszewski | we definitely need to do something about tests as in grenade job we should test live migration back and forth | 14:04 |
| raj_singh | sorry wrong link | 14:04 |
| raj_singh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378015/ | 14:04 |
| tdurakov | afair tempest run only smoke tests for grenade? | 14:04 |
| pkoniszewski | depends which approach we want to take, I hoped that at least one nova core would be there today | 14:04 |
| pkoniszewski | by default - yest | 14:04 |
| pkoniszewski | but we can change it | 14:05 |
| tdurakov | so, first option mark l-m tests as smoke | 14:05 |
| pkoniszewski | the point is that our current test live migrate all VMs only once | 14:05 |
| tdurakov | do we have any others? | 14:05 |
| pkoniszewski | i don't think that we need to do that | 14:05 |
| pkoniszewski | i mean, we don't need to mark all lm tests as smoke | 14:05 |
| pkoniszewski | so the point is whether we want to reimplement all tests so that all tests will live migrate VM back and forth | 14:06 |
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| pkoniszewski | or implement new tests specific for grenade job to LM VMs back and forth | 14:06 |
| raj_singh | pkoniszewski: I got some comments from matt for that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379638/ | 14:07 |
| pkoniszewski | or just have a single test for each type of migration, i.e., a test that live migrates VM back and forth and a test that block live migrates VM back and forth | 14:07 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: I wonder, could we reuse existing tests, or methods from that, but wrap them in new synthetic smoke l-m tests? | 14:07 |
| raj_singh | He mentioned we dont need to test moving VM back and forth for all tests | 14:07 |
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| pkoniszewski | yeah, but live migrating both ways in exisiting job (i mean the job without grenade) might be good too as it will test whether post live migration steps are cleaning up compute node | 14:08 |
| pkoniszewski | source node ofc | 14:08 |
| raj_singh | +1 | 14:09 |
| pkoniszewski | i will send an email to the mailing list or try to catch Matt on IRC later today | 14:09 |
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| pkoniszewski | we need to make this decision to make this job fully functional | 14:09 |
| tdurakov | we need both directions imho, there is the case when something goes wrong during upgrades and operator wants to rollback instances to old compute | 14:09 |
| pkoniszewski | in greande, yes | 14:10 |
| pkoniszewski | but the concern is whether we need to do that in tempest job also | 14:10 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: I expected that it's gonna be tempest anyway | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | could that be like a tempest config? | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | or two separate tests? | 14:11 |
| pkoniszewski | johnthetubaguy: two separate classes (files) you mean? | 14:11 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: config will help | 14:11 |
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| tdurakov | I think it's about one more test case class for upgrades testing purposes only, right? | 14:12 |
| tdurakov | that will be inforced by new tempest config option | 14:12 |
| pkoniszewski | its not just one more test case class as we already have two classes | 14:12 |
| pkoniszewski | for microversion <= 2.24 and microversion >= 2.25 | 14:13 |
| pkoniszewski | and i think we should have both covered | 14:13 |
| pkoniszewski | it's really about overriding one method that is invoking live migration and validates whether it succeded or not | 14:14 |
| pkoniszewski | in base class | 14:14 |
| pkoniszewski | https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/023ea9eeb6b70c9f10c2d53810ae4f3d1cbd3052/tempest/api/compute/admin/test_live_migration.py#L93 | 14:14 |
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| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: flag that enables 2-way testing? | 14:15 |
| pkoniszewski | it might be an option | 14:15 |
| pkoniszewski | and probably is the best option | 14:15 |
| pkoniszewski | so that if the flag is set run migrations back and forth, if it is not, just migrate and check | 14:16 |
| tdurakov | that should work | 14:16 |
| pkoniszewski | okay, i will try this approach | 14:16 |
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| davidgiluk | ping-pong migrations really find lots of bugs for us on qemu, I suspect they will also help at this level | 14:16 |
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| tdurakov | I'm fine with that, just try to expose it over tempest config | 14:17 |
| pkoniszewski | okay, will see what we can do there | 14:17 |
| tdurakov | ok | 14:17 |
| tdurakov | anything else on grenade job? | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think that flag seems the best approach | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so we can just modify existing jobs to run the new tests | 14:17 |
| pkoniszewski | i think that's all, the decision is to add new flag | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems worth a try | 14:18 |
| tdurakov | right, thanks for working on that | 14:18 |
| tdurakov | let's go netxt | 14:19 |
| tdurakov | #topic Bugs | 14:19 |
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| tdurakov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1573875 - who could try to reproduce that?\ | 14:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1573875 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "The same ceph rbd device is used by multiple instances" [Undecided,New] | 14:20 |
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| pkoniszewski | i don't have any setup with ceph atm | 14:21 |
| tdurakov | ok, as I'm working on ceph backend right now, will try to reproduce it too | 14:22 |
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| tdurakov | any updates on this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1605016 ? | 14:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1605016 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Post copy live migration interrupts network connectivity" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Matthew Booth (mbooth-9) | 14:23 |
| tdurakov | mdbooth: are you going to fix it withn a bug, or we need bp for that? | 14:24 |
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| tdurakov | will try to reach mdbooth later | 14:25 |
| tdurakov | let's move on, any bugs we need to discuss? | 14:26 |
| tdurakov | ok, next topic then | 14:26 |
| tdurakov | #topic specs | 14:26 |
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| tdurakov | so, at this moment there is only 2 in a list, do we have more? | 14:27 |
| pkoniszewski | what about your spec tdurakov about removing compute-compute communication? | 14:27 |
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| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: it's kind of changed | 14:28 |
| mdbooth | tdurakov: Sorry, afk. Hope there's no bp required. | 14:28 |
| tdurakov | #link https://www.dropbox.com/s/wspfpaf02asp23z/live-migration.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/da69wv9bl1g19ko/cold_migration.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/7e3y9vtfipjo3ik/evacuate.png?dl=0 | 14:28 |
| tdurakov | drafts for state machine : | 14:28 |
| pkoniszewski | nice to see that this work is moving forward | 14:29 |
| pkoniszewski | are you going to propose this in Ocata cycle? | 14:29 |
| tdurakov | yes | 14:29 |
| tdurakov | I'm doing some coding on that right now | 14:29 |
| pkoniszewski | i wanted to work on live migration with sr-iov a bit | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the plan is state machine first, then possible evolve it? | 14:30 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: right | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | pkoniszewski: the sr-iov stuff needs the neutron api changes I guess? | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: cool | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: thats what I remember at the mid cycle I think | 14:30 |
| pkoniszewski | johnthetubaguy: that's right, but we need to plan all changes to make it possible | 14:31 |
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| tdurakov | AFAIR, there was some activity on sr-iov last cycle | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | for the api changes I do have this spec up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375580/ | 14:31 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski, johnthetubaguy, folks consider attending nfv meeting next week, might be useful to discuss that there too, what do you think? | 14:32 |
| davidgiluk | pkoniszewski: Do you have any idea how to do sr-iov + migration? | 14:32 |
| pkoniszewski | also I wanted to work on LM configuration in nova.conf a bit, I mean I want to simplify it, not sure this will require a spec, but I will write something anyway | 14:32 |
| davidgiluk | pkoniszewski: There have been 2 or 3 approaches suggested but none have happened yet | 14:33 |
| pkoniszewski | davidgiluk: so I'm only thinking about macvtap SR-IOV, not the direct one | 14:33 |
| pkoniszewski | davidgiluk: i need to read through all of them, i don't have solution ready yet | 14:33 |
| davidgiluk | pkoniszewski: Can you explain what you mean by 'macvtap SR-IOV' I know macvtap, and I know SR-IOV, I don't understand how the two go together | 14:33 |
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| pkoniszewski | so you can connect SR-IOV port using macvtap device which is residing on the host | 14:34 |
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| pkoniszewski | davidgiluk: there is this wiki page about how it works - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova-neutron-sriov | 14:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, only that special case will work right now | 14:36 |
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| pkoniszewski | yeah, definitely i don't want to try to make direct sr-iov work with live migration as this might be undoable right now | 14:36 |
| davidgiluk | pkoniszewski: Oh! So it's sr-iov VF on the host, then that macvtap wired to the qemu? So the qemu still just sees it as macvtap? | 14:37 |
| pkoniszewski | yeah | 14:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | that mode is only there to make live-migrate work, as I understand it | 14:37 |
| davidgiluk | pkoniszewski: Oh right, yes migrating sr-iov passed through to the guest is a whole different pain which people have been sweating over on qemu | 14:37 |
| tdurakov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251387/ - abandoned spec | 14:38 |
| pkoniszewski | right, that's why i don't want to touch it | 14:38 |
| pkoniszewski | macvtap makes it possible so probably we can enable it in nova | 14:38 |
| davidgiluk | pkoniszewski: Is the sr-iov+macvtap just to get rid of the intermediate bridge? | 14:39 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: it's about macvtap | 14:39 |
| pkoniszewski | tdurakov: thanks, i was looking for this spec | 14:39 |
| pkoniszewski | davidgiluk: can't really answer right now whther it is only to get rid of the bridge | 14:39 |
| pkoniszewski | might be | 14:40 |
| davidgiluk | pkoniszewski: OK, it just seems a little odd arrangement from my point of view; I don't quite understand why you need the SR-IOV at all | 14:40 |
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| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: please ask folks and if they are ok repropose it then | 14:41 |
| pkoniszewski | okay, will do | 14:42 |
| tdurakov | anything else for ocata? | 14:42 |
| pkoniszewski | given that Ocata is a very short cycle... ;) | 14:42 |
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| tdurakov | next topic | 14:43 |
| tdurakov | #topic Open discussion | 14:43 |
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| tdurakov | any open questiong? | 14:43 |
| tdurakov | s/questions | 14:43 |
| tdurakov | okay then, thank you for joining | 14:44 |
| tdurakov | #endmeeting | 14:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 4 14:44:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-10-04-14.00.html | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-10-04-14.00.txt | 14:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-10-04-14.00.log.html | 14:45 |
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| neiljerram | Hi there - anyone here for the networking-calico meeting? | 16:02 |
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| neiljerram | I'll briefly convene anyway so as to leave a record. | 16:05 |
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| neiljerram | #startmeeting networking_calico | 16:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 4 16:05:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is neiljerram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:06 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_calico)" | 16:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_calico' | 16:06 |
| neiljerram | #action neiljerram to properly advertise this meeting next time! | 16:06 |
| neiljerram | It seems no one is around for this meeting, so I will try to do better at flagging the next one. | 16:07 |
| neiljerram | Pausing a few moments just in case... | 16:08 |
| neiljerram | #endmeeting | 16:09 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 4 16:09:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_calico/2016/networking_calico.2016-10-04-16.05.html | 16:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_calico/2016/networking_calico.2016-10-04-16.05.txt | 16:09 |
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