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| sbelous_ | hello? | 13:00 |
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| sbelous_ | okay, it looks like there is no any osc team meeting :( | 13:05 |
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| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 6 14:00:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| vgridnev | o/ | 14:00 |
| raissa | hi | 14:00 |
| vgridnev | let's wait a little | 14:00 |
| zemuvier | hi | 14:00 |
| esikachev | hi | 14:01 |
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| tosky | hi | 14:01 |
| vgridnev | hm | 14:02 |
| vgridnev | tosky, do you know if egafford is going to attend? | 14:03 |
| vgridnev | or tellesnobrega ? | 14:03 |
| tosky | I think she is on PTO | 14:03 |
| tellesnobrega | o/ | 14:03 |
| tellesnobrega | im here | 14:03 |
| tosky | but tellesnobrega is here \o/ | 14:03 |
| vgridnev | ok, let's start | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | #topic News / Updates | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News / Updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:04 | |
| vgridnev | Newton is finally released | 14:04 |
| esikachev | working on sahara-ci migration (in progress, sorry) | 14:04 |
| tosky | a bit of internal work, but still testing sahara | 14:05 |
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| zemuvier | working on patches to sahara-tests and writing docs about tempest and scenario | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | thanks zemuvier | 14:05 |
| vgridnev | tosky, how is it going? | 14:06 |
| raissa | trying to run the test we skipped for the release, but not much luck so far | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | any bugs? | 14:06 |
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| tosky | not so far, it's the usual dance with the hardware resources | 14:06 |
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| tellesnobrega | I've been doing most of internal stuff, other than that is reviewing patches and trying to find some interns to help us next release | 14:07 |
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| vgridnev | mlelyakin, you can now share your status or news (or updates) if you want to do so | 14:09 |
| vgridnev | #topic PTG needs | 14:11 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 14:11 |
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| vgridnev | so, new event was introduced in openstack, which is the most certain place where we can discuss new features for new release, because usual summit will be just a place for talks and so on | 14:13 |
| tosky | (marketing) | 14:13 |
| vgridnev | mostly, but still summit will have some place to get work done, but yeah, this place will be less for sure | 14:14 |
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| vgridnev | all non-single vendor projects like sahara can request a room to get work done at PTG | 14:15 |
| vgridnev | I think that we (our team) should plan to get attended to this event | 14:16 |
| vgridnev | I think that we can get two members from Mirantis there | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | it seems like the good choice to make | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | from red hat side, seems like a lot less engineers are going to attend the summit | 14:17 |
| tellesnobrega | the next ptg it is almost guaranteed that elise will be there, she is really close to it | 14:17 |
| vgridnev | ok, we still have time till Oct. 16 to understand our needs, but I think that we should get as most as possible number of engineers there at PTG | 14:21 |
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| tellesnobrega | yes, I can't guarantee being there, but it almost certain that I will be able to make it as well | 14:23 |
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| tosky | I can guarantee anything right now, sadly, but let's see | 14:27 |
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| vgridnev | Ok, seems like I will request a work room there, but I'll make additional investigation about that | 14:28 |
| tellesnobrega | sounds good | 14:28 |
| vgridnev | let's make final decision at next meeting | 14:28 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 14:29 |
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| vgridnev | do have something additional to discuss? | 14:30 |
| tellesnobrega | not from me | 14:31 |
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| vgridnev | ok, anyway | 14:31 |
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| vgridnev | please continue sharing your ideas for ocata summit | 14:31 |
| tosky | no for me either (I guess for the big planning we are waiting for the Summit) | 14:31 |
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| vgridnev | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-ocata-summit | 14:31 |
| vgridnev | seems like we need to fill out 4 out of 6 sessions now, but I think that mostly LCM + Provisioning will intersects | 14:32 |
| vgridnev | ok, thanks everyone | 14:33 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 14:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:33 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 6 14:33:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-10-06-14.00.html | 14:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-10-06-14.00.txt | 14:33 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks | 14:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-10-06-14.00.log.html | 14:33 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 6 15:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | #chair carl_baldwin | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: carl_baldwin mlavalle | 15:01 |
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| carl_baldwin | o/ | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | Agenda for today's meeting is here: | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | Barcelona Summit is a little more of 2 weeks from today | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | it will be great to see you many of you there | 15:03 |
| njohnston | +1 | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | here's the Ocata delivery calendar | 15:05 |
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| mlavalle | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 15:05 |
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| mlavalle | So Ocata-1 is a little more that a month from now: Nov 14 - 18 | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | Any other annoucements? | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | If not, let's move on... | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:07 | |
| mlavalle | First up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1540983 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1540983 in OpenStack-Gate "Gate failures for neutron in test_dualnet_multi_prefix_slaac" [Undecided,Expired] | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | obondarev is using https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374106/ to debug it | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | any other comments from the team? | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | Not from me | 15:10 |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1556991 | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1556991 in neutron "Isolated metadata will not work if ipv6 subnet is created first" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Hong Hui Xiao (xiaohhui) | 15:11 |
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| mlavalle | For this one we have a fix proposed by xiaohhui. I reviewed it and he responded to my concerns | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | I will take a look today again | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | and I think it can use some TLC from cores | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | If there are no more comments, let's move on | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1570122 | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1570122 in neutron "ipv6 prefix delegated subnets are not accessable external of the router they are attached." [High,Confirmed] | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | This one was raise to high priority by carl_baldwin recently. Any comments? It has no owner so far | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | I was going to try to tackle it but I've been having trouble finding time. | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think we need someone to take it. | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | all right, it is good to know. Thanks for the update | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1609540 | 15:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1609540 in neutron "Deleting csnat port fails due to no fixed ips" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin) | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | I had a conversation with obondarev and haleyb this morning about this one | 15:18 |
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| mlavalle | we are also using https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374106 to trigger it | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | so far no ocurrences have happened | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | I'll keep an eye on it and will keep trying to trigger it periodically | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | ok, next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1599329 | 15:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1599329 in neutron "Potential regression on handing over DHCP addresses to VMs" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 15:20 |
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| mlavalle | For this one, earlier today I claimed victory, after not finding ocurrences for 30 days | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | and then I realized that a few showed up recently. So I will investigate further | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | any other comments | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | ? | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610483 | 15:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach) | 15:23 |
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| mlavalle | This one has been assigned to aliaksandr-dziarkach for a few weeks. There is not patchset proposed yet | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | I will follow up with him or John | 15:25 |
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| mlavalle | Moving on | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | We have a few bugs that are docs related | 15:27 |
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| mlavalle | First one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1555382 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1555382 in neutron " Queries for DVR-aware floating IP next-hop lookups" [High,Confirmed] | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | This is a consequence of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270971/ | 15:28 |
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| mlavalle | I'll try to check with tidwellr to see how to move forward with it | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1580780 | 15:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580780 in neutron " Associate subnets to segments through subnet API" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Carl Baldwin (carl-baldwin) | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: is this one covered in the docs you are writing? | 15:31 |
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| mlavalle | well, will take a look on carl_baldwin's docs patchset for routed network | 15:34 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Sorry, I'm double booked for this hour this week. (Actually triple booked) | 15:34 |
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| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627424 | 15:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627424 in neutron "FlushError on IPAllocation" [High,Confirmed] | 15:36 |
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| mlavalle | It has no assignee but carl_baldwin has been investigating it | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | This will need someone to look in to it. I won't be able to give it enough time to do it justice at the moment. Too much on my plate. | 15:37 |
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| mlavalle | ok, thanks for the update, carl_baldwin | 15:38 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: yw | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | Finally, today we have https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627480 | 15:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627480 in neutron "create_port can succeed without returning fixed_ips on all requested subnets" [High,Confirmed] | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | There are a copuple of fixes related to it. Reading through the bug, it is not clear whether it is completely addressed. I will investigate | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | any other bugs from the team? | 15:40 |
| haleyb | i might have found another ipv6 subnet bug, will file and add to wiki for next week | 15:41 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: thanks, please keep in mind we use etherpad now | 15:42 |
| haleyb | yes, and i knew that too :) | 15:42 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: also, if you tag it in Laucnhpad, I'll catch it. Don't worry about it | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | #topic Service Subnets | 15:43 |
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| mlavalle | I think this one was added by carl_baldwin | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | any additional comments | 15:44 |
| carl_baldwin | We just need a volunteer for some doc work | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | sounds like john-davidge might be a good choice, maybe? | 15:45 |
| haleyb | mattk wanted an example of using it for dvr, right? i can volunteer since it should be applicable to the slide i need to write | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: yes. | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: thanks! | 15:45 |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: thanks! | 15:45 |
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| mlavalle | moving on | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:46 |
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| mlavalle | On this topic, I have been making good progress on the integration with Nova's generic resource pools | 15:47 |
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| mlavalle | The functionality is almost complete. The only missing piece is the addition of aggregates to resource pools | 15:47 |
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| mlavalle | and that will be easy to add once the Nova team has that feature merged | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | I am writing unit tests right now | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | janzian is making good progress with his tempest api test | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | I think he found the way to implement them so they will be easy to add to Jenkins | 15:49 |
| janzian | Yes, thanks to mlavalle and others for the helpful reviews :) | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | anything to add here carl_baldwin? | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: not at the moment | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 15:50 |
| carl_baldwin | Nice work! | 15:50 |
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| mlavalle | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:51 |
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| mlavalle | anyone here today to talk about this topic? | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:52 |
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| mlavalle | Any other topics from the team? | 15:52 |
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| mlavalle | ok, with that, thanks for attending and your updates | 15:53 |
| mlavalle | have a nice day / afternoon / evening | 15:53 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 6 15:53:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-10-06-15.00.html | 15:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-10-06-15.00.txt | 15:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-10-06-15.00.log.html | 15:54 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks! | 15:54 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 6 16:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| cdent | #startmeeting api-wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | cdent: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:00 |
| cdent | you win! | 16:00 |
| etoews | #chair cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: elmiko | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
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| * sigmavirus lurks | 16:00 | |
| * cdent makes customary wave to mlavalle | 16:01 | |
| cdent | sigmavirus: nice to have you with us | 16:01 |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:01 |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:01 |
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| etoews | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/ | 16:01 |
| * mlavalle customarily waves back at cdent :-) | 16:02 | |
| etoews | i've been out of touch. what's been happening? | 16:02 |
| cdent | I had one, about usability study. From what I can tell piet is no longer going to be doing them, perhaps because he won't be at summit | 16:02 |
| cdent | In any case I've heard nothing since early inquiries about it | 16:03 |
| etoews | alrighty | 16:03 |
| etoews | #topic open mic | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open mic (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:04 | |
| cdent | so I think that's stalled (again) | 16:04 |
| cdent | ah these are all me: | 16:04 |
| cdent | on summit: I signed up for a birds of a feather session for api-wg and never heard anything back. it was only this week that I realized I had not, so I've not followed up to see if anything is happening. Will do that | 16:04 |
| cdent | #action: cdent to query about summit bof session | 16:04 |
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| cdent | "sevice catalog thoughts" is a revisit of an old topic: improving the service catalog to be more consistent and authoritative. | 16:05 |
| cdent | I'm bringing it up here because I asked the people in the newly formed architecture working group if that is something they, us, both should take on | 16:06 |
| etoews | there was a big push around that a year or so ago. i don't know what came of it. | 16:06 |
| cdent | It was agreed that it is something that needs to happen and since it doesn't currently have a lot to do with HTTP guidelines that it would be driven in the arch-wg, for now. | 16:06 |
| cdent | Yeah, I was a part of that push and it stalled on more practical matters (as usual) | 16:07 |
| etoews | at least arch-wg is picking up the torch? | 16:07 |
| cdent | yeah | 16:07 |
| cdent | they've got some buzz/energy at the moment to at least identify important issues | 16:07 |
| cdent | so no action for us on that, at least for now | 16:08 |
| etoews | is there a link you can share where the work is going on? | 16:08 |
| gouthamr | nice.. iirc that was around the microversion header issue... | 16:08 |
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| cdent | nothing solid yet but: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-wg-status-board | 16:08 |
| cdent | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/arch-wg-status-board | 16:08 |
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| cdent | gouthamr: some of it was what should go in the microversion header, but that became the service-authority discussion, which was registering service types/names in the era of the big tent | 16:09 |
| cdent | the service catalog was more about making sure that interations with a service catalog on any cloud can be expected to work similarly | 16:10 |
| etoews | lol | 16:10 |
| etoews | > because like a good rug, the service catalog really pulls the room together. | 16:10 |
| gouthamr | cdent: yes.. i recall service-types-authority #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/service-types-authority | 16:10 |
| cdent | thank you etoews ! I'm so glad someone reacted to that | 16:10 |
| etoews | is "filtering on time intervals" also you cdent ? | 16:11 |
| cdent | yeah, I just wanted to draw attention to it so people will comment | 16:11 |
| cdent | I think I mostly agree with the "just use a comma" message that was at the end of the thread a few minutes ago | 16:11 |
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| cdent | but since it is a message that was directed at us directly, we ought to say/do something | 16:12 |
| etoews | ah. [API WG] instead of [api] missed my filter. | 16:12 |
| etoews | sounds like they might need a new operator? | 16:16 |
| cdent | I'm not sure. I find the filtering style in the guideline to be strange in the first place (haven't got an immediate alternative) so I'm not clear on what's right | 16:17 |
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| cdent | to me there are two divergent goals: avoid proliferating too many filtering parameters | 16:18 |
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| cdent | express date ranges and absolute dates | 16:18 |
| cdent | given those: finished_at=between:timea,timeb | 16:18 |
| cdent | makes fair sense | 16:18 |
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| cdent | We don't have to decide here, I just wanted to make sure that we reacted | 16:20 |
| cdent | ready to move one? | 16:20 |
| etoews | agreed. i was going to suggest something closer to the iso standard. ?finished_at=time_interval:<ISOdate_a>/<ISOdate_b> | 16:20 |
| cdent | on! | 16:20 |
| etoews | but that `/` is probably inconvenient | 16:21 |
| cdent | yeah | 16:21 |
| etoews | who is responding to the email? | 16:21 |
| etoews | you, me, someone else? | 16:21 |
| etoews | we should ask them to propose a change to the filtering guideline | 16:22 |
| etoews | i'm fine with responding | 16:22 |
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| cdent | go for it, if it meanders I'll jump in too | 16:22 |
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| * etoews reads up on whole thread and starts to reply | 16:24 | |
| cdent | in the meantime if you agree etoews I'll freeze: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364460/ | 16:25 |
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| etoews | sure | 16:25 |
| cdent | I think that one, despite being not quite a guidelines is probably freezeworthy | 16:25 |
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| etoews | response sent | 16:34 |
| etoews | anything anyone else want to bring up in open mic? | 16:34 |
| etoews | #topic guidelines | 16:35 |
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| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:35 |
| etoews | heh. well that's that. | 16:36 |
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| cdent | yup, I mentioned to elmiko a few days ago that I'm going to try harder to mark out time to work on writing guidelines, henceforth, but that may not come about in any real form until after summit | 16:36 |
| cdent | but I'd like to address the bug list, as I can | 16:37 |
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| cdent | the bug list has not changed since last week | 16:39 |
| etoews | sounds good. it's unlikely i'll be able to tackle anything in oct. | 16:39 |
| cdent | for the past few weeks (months?) we've been mostly ignoring the APIImpact tag, hoping that people will bring things up here as needed, until we get some more cycles | 16:40 |
| etoews | agreed | 16:40 |
| cdent | and I've started editing today's newsletter over at: | 16:40 |
| cdent | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter | 16:40 |
| etoews | oh nice | 16:40 |
| cdent | in fact it might be done | 16:40 |
| etoews | ship it. | 16:41 |
| cdent | ✔ | 16:41 |
| cdent | done | 16:42 |
| cdent | Anybody have anything else? | 16:43 |
| etoews | nada | 16:44 |
| cdent | Then I think that's it, I'm going to do the honors since I lost out on the star. | 16:45 |
| cdent | t | 16:45 |
| etoews | have at it :) | 16:45 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:45 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 6 16:45:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-10-06-16.00.html | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-10-06-16.00.txt | 16:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-10-06-16.00.log.html | 16:45 |
| cdent | thanks everyone | 16:45 |
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| docaedo | Courtesy ping zynzel kfox1111 kzaitsev_mb igormarnat_ mfedosin sskripnick olaph docaedo | 17:00 |
| sskripnick | hiyo | 17:00 |
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| docaedo | since sskripnick does all the work, might as well start :D | 17:00 |
| docaedo | #startmeeting app-catalog | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 6 17:00:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_catalog' | 17:00 |
| docaedo | Agenda: | 17:00 |
| docaedo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/app-catalog#Proposed_Agenda_for_October_6th.2C_2016_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:00 |
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| docaedo | let's hold a minute, see who else shows up, then we can dive in :) | 17:01 |
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| kzaitsev_ws | o/ | 17:01 |
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| docaedo | we've had a few emails on the infra list around our plan: | 17:02 |
| docaedo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-September/004707.html | 17:02 |
| docaedo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-October/004762.html | 17:02 |
| docaedo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-October/004763.html | 17:02 |
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| kzaitsev_ws | docaedo: and I'm going to remind you to see if you have time for https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/catalog-dashboard-reorg =) | 17:04 |
| kzaitsev_ws | osh helped me out with rebasing things on master ) | 17:04 |
| kzaitsev_ws | he also said that couldn't reproduce the bug, but tbh I haven't looked carefully myself | 17:04 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_ws: thanks for the reminder .. | 17:04 |
| kzaitsev_ws | docaedo: what do you think will we be able to get that merged/done before Barcelona? =) | 17:04 |
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| mfedosin | o/ | 17:05 |
| docaedo | kzaitsev_ws: I'm good to go - the bug shows up reliably for me last week but I haven't looked at it this week | 17:06 |
| docaedo | I think we are safe though, and the re-org layout is good | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_ws | ok then let me double-check tomorrow and see if I can reproduce and/or fix it | 17:06 |
| docaedo | so if there's a bug between app-catalog-ui and horizon we just have to work on it, but don't need that to hold up progress | 17:06 |
| docaedo | I +2'd the app-catalog-ui one | 17:06 |
| kzaitsev_ws | cool ) would wrap things up tomorrow ) | 17:07 |
| docaedo | great | 17:08 |
| kzaitsev_ws | any updates from the glare side of the app-catalog? =) mfedosin? need reviews somewhere? | 17:09 |
| mfedosin | folks, I made a patch for creating apps-dev site | 17:09 |
| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382971/ | 17:09 |
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| mfedosin | But I don't get why it fails on jessie | 17:10 |
| sskripnick | about reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/app-catalog+branch:feature/glare-support+topic:bp/glare-work | 17:10 |
| mfedosin | I asked fungi for help and he promised to look there | 17:10 |
| mfedosin | but he's on leave from tomorrow and we have to take it on by ourselves | 17:11 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: I'll poke in today and see if I can see why jessie is failing too | 17:11 |
| mfedosin | and yes - sskripnick's work is on review :) | 17:11 |
| fungi | yep, that's why i tried to provide a lot of updated context in my ml reply to docaedo yesterday | 17:11 |
| docaedo | thanks fungi ! | 17:11 |
| fungi | we have a bunch of root sysadmins on the infra team, so hopefully it won't be too hard for them to take over | 17:12 |
| docaedo | fungi: while you're on leave, that means you won't be too closely monitoring infra stuff - means you'll have lots of extra time for app-catalog right? | 17:12 |
| kzaitsev_ws | =) | 17:12 |
| fungi | the most complicated aspect of it, i expect, is going to have to do with the fact that it needs debian rather than ubuntu for now, and worse it needs packages from unstable and experimental | 17:13 |
| docaedo | oh right .. yuck | 17:13 |
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| docaedo | I thought we had options though for installing from git or pip? | 17:13 |
| docaedo | or is it just the glare stuff that needs a package? | 17:14 |
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| fungi | well, mfedosin was suggesting that it has non-python dependencies satisfied only by packages in debian experimental at the moment | 17:14 |
| fungi | or at least i have to assume it's non-python dependencies, otherwise not sure why the insistence on using distro packages for that | 17:15 |
| mfedosin | it's better to ask zigo | 17:15 |
| mfedosin | he helped us making this package | 17:15 |
| docaedo | but if we've been installing glare from git for testing so far, why can't we continue doing that? | 17:15 |
| mfedosin | but afaik there are no non-python dependencies without packages | 17:16 |
| fungi | just for the record, we do have a lot of infra-managed servers that run things installed via pip from pypi and from git, installed with npm, et cetera | 17:16 |
| mfedosin | so, glare should work if we install it from pypi directly | 17:16 |
| docaedo | yeah I'd be strongly in favor of that approach, and NOT relying on running on a debian and using packages from experimental | 17:16 |
| docaedo | for the app-catalog | 17:17 |
| docaedo | for broader glare adoption, packaging is necessary for sure :) | 17:17 |
| fungi | which would allow us to stick with ubuntu trusty or xenial, consistent with the current apps site | 17:17 |
| mfedosin | sskripnick: what was an issue with installing glare from pypi? | 17:17 |
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| sskripnick | mfedosin: -2 to our patch | 17:17 |
| fungi | (current apps site is running on trusty) | 17:17 |
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| mfedosin | sskripnick: lol | 17:19 |
| sskripnick | omg gerrit | 17:19 |
| sskripnick | how to find patch if i know owher? | 17:19 |
| sskripnick | Maciej Relewicz | 17:19 |
| mfedosin | owner: | 17:20 |
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| sskripnick | hmm | 17:21 |
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| sskripnick | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373805/ | 17:23 |
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| sskripnick | Patch Set 3: Code-Review-2puppet openstack modules are rely only on UCA or RDO packaging. If you want to add your own provider - you need to do it only on your orchestration layer. We are not using pip, gem or whatever else. | 17:24 |
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| sskripnick | mfedosin: fungi: docaedo: ^ | 17:25 |
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| docaedo | hmm, that's strange to me, as puppet-apps_site sure does not use packages | 17:25 |
| mfedosin | glare is not in UCA | 17:25 |
| docaedo | I had looked at that patch but did not notice that comment | 17:26 |
| mfedosin | so we can't use debian? | 17:26 |
| fungi | we probably _can_ use debian, but the question is whether that's actually less work to maintain than doing some installs from pypi/source on the same distro/release we use for our normal servers | 17:26 |
| fungi | oh, you're trying to use puppet-openstack to deploy this? | 17:27 |
| fungi | right, so the puppet-openstack team's policies are not the same as the infra puppet reviewers' | 17:27 |
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| mfedosin | emm yes | 17:27 |
| fungi | that may be where the confusion is arising | 17:27 |
| sskripnick | probably we can include glare stuff into app-site | 17:28 |
| docaedo | oh shoot yeah, that's where I got confused too - my puppet-apps_site is in openstack-infra | 17:28 |
| sskripnick | and use git/pip whatever | 17:28 |
| fungi | there is very little of puppet-openstack consumed by infra (we really only use it for infra-cloud if memory serves) | 17:28 |
| mfedosin | sskripnick: maybe it's a good plan | 17:29 |
| mfedosin | but how long it will take? | 17:29 |
| mfedosin | put all puppets from puppet-glare to app-site | 17:30 |
| docaedo | however long it would take to fix up the puppet manifest, I bet it's a bunch faster than waiting for packaging and trying to solve debian issues | 17:30 |
| sskripnick | +1 | 17:31 |
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| mfedosin | hmm, if it accelerate the work we can start doing this | 17:32 |
| docaedo | awesome, that might un-block us at this point | 17:33 |
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| mfedosin | I think we should document this plan ans start to follow it asap | 17:34 |
| sskripnick | So we need to ask Maciej to move all glure staff into this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359029/ | 17:35 |
| sskripnick | right? | 17:35 |
| mfedosin | yep | 17:35 |
| docaedo | mfedosin: agreed - do you or sskripnick want to do that? Or me? Should respond to that mailing list thread (openstack-infra) for record keeping | 17:35 |
| docaedo | also will help because the infra team will all see that conversation, and see what we have in mind | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | Maciej may help us with it | 17:36 |
| mfedosin | btw, I think I can order apps-dev vm on trusty or xenial | 17:36 |
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| mfedosin | actually xenial, because trusty doesn't have all required packages | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | and we will be able to deploy it from apps-site puppets | 17:37 |
| docaedo | xenial would be best | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | sounds like a plan and I hope it will work | 17:38 |
| docaedo | seems like a productive plan :) need to know who will take the action of documenting the plan | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | I'll take it on | 17:39 |
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| mfedosin | assign it to me :) | 17:39 |
| docaedo | #action mfedosin to document new plan to move glare stuff into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359029/ | 17:39 |
| docaedo | quick update from me - I will be on a plane during next weeks meeting so probably no meeting unless someone else wants to chair | 17:40 |
| docaedo | after that I'm traveling for a few days, but will be back online at least 2-3 days per week leading up to the summit | 17:40 |
| kzaitsev_ws | well, I'm the usual replacement =) | 17:40 |
| docaedo | I'll be responsive to email and code review though, and will not hold things up (as long as I can get myself connected to the internet from random spots in Europe!) | 17:41 |
| docaedo | #action kzaitsev_ws to chair next weeks IRC meeting | 17:41 |
| kzaitsev_ws | so that we can document the progress or in case someone else walks by =) | 17:41 |
| docaedo | yep, thanks for doing that | 17:42 |
| docaedo | I think we can do a final round of reviews on sskripnick code once the infra staging/test instance is up | 17:43 |
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| docaedo | and the work to get that instance going will cover getting the DB and swift access | 17:43 |
| docaedo | finish line is in sight! | 17:43 |
| mfedosin | fingers crossed | 17:45 |
| docaedo | anything else? Or now we just get the puppet stuff sorted ASAP and go from there | 17:46 |
| docaedo | (also thank you as always for all the great work you all are doing!) | 17:46 |
| mfedosin | nothing from my side | 17:47 |
| mfedosin | thanks for your support folks | 17:47 |
| docaedo | ok thank you everyone! | 17:48 |
| docaedo | #endmeeting | 17:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 6 17:48:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-10-06-17.00.html | 17:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-10-06-17.00.txt | 17:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_catalog/2016/app_catalog.2016-10-06-17.00.log.html | 17:48 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting auc | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 6 19:01:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| shamail | Hi everyone.. Anyone here for the AUC recognition WG meeting? | 19:01 |
| MeganR | Hi | 19:01 |
| shamail | Hi MeganR! | 19:01 |
| shamail | lol, I am going to have to go back and check how many meetings it’s been just us two. | 19:02 |
| MeganR | lol - for some reason, this time works with my schedule | 19:02 |
| shamail | let’s give it a couple of minutes and see if more people join | 19:02 |
| MeganR | everything else has been really hit and miss lately :) | 19:02 |
| shamail | If we have a meeting, here is the agenda: | 19:02 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/AUCRecognition | 19:02 |
| MeganR | that sounds good - I'll look at the agenda | 19:03 |
| shamail | MeganR: same here, I’ve been traveling two weeks back to back | 19:03 |
| shamail | (might even have to be in Singapore next week) | 19:03 |
| MeganR | oh wow | 19:03 |
| shamail | CloudExpo | 19:03 |
| MeganR | that's tough - especially with the Summit in a few weeks | 19:03 |
| shamail | yeah | 19:03 |
| shamail | Agenda is pretty light | 19:04 |
| shamail | I asked Edgar to put us on the agenda for the UC meeting next week | 19:04 |
| shamail | so that we can close our our recommendations/status | 19:04 |
| MeganR | the agenda looks good - I need a recap, don't remember what I have forgotten :) | 19:04 |
| shamail | I think from your perspective it was two things: | 19:04 |
| shamail | 1) Were you able to get a final list of active WG members for non-IRC based WGs? (we probably have to get that to Tom this week or early next week) | 19:05 |
| MeganR | when is the UC meeting next week | 19:05 |
| shamail | On Monday, I believe 3P EDT (but I could be lying) | 19:05 |
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| MeganR | ok, I'll take a look, not certain I can attend | 19:05 |
| shamail | #info UC meeting is Monday (10/10) at 1900 UTC in #openstack-meeting | 19:05 |
| MeganR | what was the second item? | 19:06 |
| MeganR | thank you | 19:06 |
| shamail | 2) You were going to talk to WOO about becoming a WG so we can recognize the contributors as AUC | 19:06 |
| shamail | there is currently no way to track WOO for AUC | 19:06 |
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| MeganR | yes, - ok, that is a done deal, they want to be counted, really were positive about the idea | 19:07 |
| shamail | 2b) It is probably too late for them to become a WG for this cycle and get recognized this cycle but could you ask them to provide a list of active WOO organizers and we could use the self-nomination route to get them added? | 19:07 |
| MeganR | I was thinking with tracking that they can be included in the WG's not on IRC, and we can use the Google form | 19:07 |
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| shamail | That would work perfectly I think | 19:08 |
| shamail | Any chance you could ask them to give us a list for Newton? | 19:08 |
| MeganR | I need to go back and look at my notes about the WGs not in IRC, to see about numbers | 19:08 |
| shamail | It would be good to have them in the first batch | 19:08 |
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| shamail | Np, can you also forward me the actual names or emails as well so I can pass them along? | 19:08 |
| MeganR | I can pull a list for WOO, we track attendance in the meeting etherpad | 19:08 |
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| shamail | Great | 19:08 |
| MeganR | and yes, I should have emails | 19:08 |
| shamail | #action MeganR will send list of active WOO members for inclusion in AUC | 19:09 |
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| MeganR | what else is outstanding overall? | 19:09 |
| shamail | #action MeganR to send list of non-IRC WG members to shamail | 19:09 |
| shamail | The other outstanding items were a read-out to the UC (on Monday) | 19:09 |
| shamail | and finalizing our self-nomination/approval process | 19:10 |
| shamail | I’ll be glad to take the first stab at the content for the UC meeting | 19:10 |
| shamail | I’ll email Maish and yourself for review once the draft is completed | 19:10 |
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| shamail | #action shamail will build draft for UC readout | 19:11 |
| shamail | I have one more item as a FYI | 19:11 |
| shamail | Still here? | 19:12 |
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| MeganR | I am - thought you were typing :) | 19:12 |
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| shamail | Ah sorry | 19:13 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381894/ | 19:13 |
| shamail | Please give this patch a look and give your feedback too :) | 19:13 |
| MeganR | ok, I will | 19:13 |
| shamail | This conversation started on Twitter about Ops not being able to vote in the TC election | 19:13 |
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| MeganR | interesting | 19:13 |
| maishsk | Sorry I am late. | 19:13 |
| MeganR | Hi maishsk | 19:13 |
| shamail | and Monty submitted a governance patch for vote to allow a new category that would recognize AUC as extra-ATC specifically for TC elections voting | 19:13 |
| shamail | Hi maishsk | 19:14 |
| MeganR | I like that! | 19:14 |
| maishsk | shamail: I had spoken to Monty about that a while back | 19:14 |
| shamail | nice :) | 19:14 |
| maishsk | But an interesting question arose - should al ATC also be considered as extra-AUC as well | 19:14 |
| MeganR | awesome! | 19:14 |
| shamail | I asked Edgar (via email) to chime in on the review | 19:15 |
| shamail | The UC would have to respond whether they are willing to recipocate (I think they should) | 19:15 |
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| shamail | TC and UC decisions have community-wide implications so I think it would make sense to let the broadest number of community members vote for both | 19:16 |
| maishsk | I would agree - but I would think that even though we are supposed to be on-par (or that least that is the theory) the benefits currently weigh in favor of ATC's | 19:16 |
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| maishsk | (which I have no problems with) | 19:16 |
| maishsk | becuase we are not doing it for the benfits | 19:17 |
| maishsk | but for the benefit of OpenStack | 19:17 |
| shamail | You can raise that point to the UC once the charter is established :D | 19:17 |
| shamail | Valid points | 19:17 |
| shamail | So summary of actions and status just to recap | 19:17 |
| shamail | Actions: | 19:18 |
| shamail | MeganR will send list of active WOO members for inclusion in AUC | 19:18 |
| shamail | MeganR to send list of non-IRC WG members to shamail (so I can forward to Tom and figure out how to automate) | 19:18 |
| shamail | shamail will build draft for UC readout (and I will send a draft to both of you for review/edits) | 19:18 |
| shamail | Maish, can you update the self-nomination process etherpad to clean it up? | 19:19 |
| maishsk | Sure | 19:19 |
| shamail | I think there were still some items that are open (e.g. approval committee member/size/composition) | 19:19 |
| shamail | Can you please email me once that is done so I can review it as well? | 19:19 |
| maishsk | shamail: you said that the conversation about the review above - started on Twitter ? Do you have the origin? | 19:19 |
| shamail | #action maishsk will clean-up/finalize the self-nomination process | 19:20 |
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| shamail | finding | 19:20 |
| shamail | https://twitter.com/e_monty/status/782936391135133696 | 19:20 |
| shamail | Anything else for today? | 19:21 |
| maishsk | Not from Me | 19:21 |
| shamail | (I’m going to be sneaking out soon anyway since I am in a face to face meeting) | 19:21 |
| shamail | MeganR? | 19:22 |
| shamail | Both of you will be in Barcelona? | 19:22 |
| shamail | Oh! | 19:22 |
| MeganR | yes, I will be there | 19:22 |
| shamail | I got one more thing | 19:22 |
| maishsk | I will be there :) | 19:22 |
| MeganR | and no, I don't have anything else (sorry, have another meeting that was supposed to end 20 min ago) | 19:23 |
| shamail | AUC related topics at Barcelona | 19:23 |
| shamail | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15063/the-path-to-becoming-an-auc-active-user-contributor | 19:23 |
| shamail | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16854/auc-working-group | 19:23 |
| MeganR | oh cool! | 19:23 |
| shamail | There is also a lightning talk on Superuser (which will reference AUC) on Monday too | 19:23 |
| shamail | I am probably going to miss the AUC WG working session since it overlaps with the Product WG working session | 19:24 |
| maishsk | Unfortunately - I will not be arriving till Tuesday morning - so I will have to miss the SuperUser. | 19:24 |
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| shamail | I might try to split my time as well so be at the PWG one first half and AUC the second half (since PWG has a longer slot) | 19:24 |
| MeganR | yes, I am still trying to finalize some scheduling items | 19:24 |
| shamail | Yeah, this is a good time to do so…. I am certain you will find conflicts :) | 19:25 |
| shamail | See you on Tuesday maishsk! | 19:25 |
| MeganR | lol - that is certain | 19:25 |
| maishsk | :Will do! | 19:25 |
| shamail | UC meeting is on this coming Monday at 1900 UTC maishsk and we will be on the agenda to readout on AUC | 19:25 |
| MeganR | oh, I will be traveling next week, and won't be here for our meeting - if we are meeting | 19:25 |
| shamail | Hope you both can make that too | 19:25 |
| shamail | We can probably skip next week | 19:26 |
| maishsk | Agreed | 19:26 |
| MeganR | I am planning on being there on Monday | 19:26 |
| shamail | Once we read out to the UC our job for this phase is done | 19:26 |
| MeganR | cool - so this is our last meeting?! | 19:26 |
| shamail | and we will determine whether we can disband in Barcelona or whether more work is needed next cycle | 19:26 |
| MeganR | sounds good | 19:26 |
| shamail | We’ll probably have one the week after next to A) discuss any open items from the UC meeting and B) review the draft presentation for AUC presentation in Barcelona | 19:27 |
| maishsk | +! | 19:27 |
| maishsk | +1 | 19:27 |
| shamail | I figured that 33% of our active members will be traveling next week (thats 1 member btw) | 19:27 |
| shamail | I am iffy too (might be traveling as well) | 19:27 |
| MeganR | oh right - there is another week there - feel like this month is gone already :) | 19:27 |
| shamail | Nooo, don’t you dare steal time from me… I need all the hours I can get before Barcelona | 19:28 |
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| maishsk | :) | 19:28 |
| shamail | lol | 19:28 |
| shamail | Anyways | 19:28 |
| MeganR | :) | 19:28 |
| shamail | See you both on Monday hopefully! | 19:28 |
| maishsk | Will make sure I am there | 19:28 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 19:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:28 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 6 19:28:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:28 |
| MeganR | I will "try" | 19:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-10-06-19.01.html | 19:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-10-06-19.01.txt | 19:28 |
| MeganR | bye! | 19:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-10-06-19.01.log.html | 19:28 |
| shamail | good luck | 19:29 |
| shamail | cya | 19:29 |
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