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| njohnston | #startmeeting fwaas | 04:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fwaas' | 04:00 |
| SridarK | Hi All | 04:00 |
| njohnston | Hello everybody | 04:00 |
| chandanc_ | Hello All | 04:00 |
| SarathMekala | Hi all O/ | 04:00 |
| SridarK | shall we get started | 04:01 |
| njohnston | by all means :-) | 04:01 |
| SridarK | #topic FWaaS v2 | 04:01 |
| SridarK | njohnston: can u pls add me to chair | 04:02 |
| njohnston | oops forgot | 04:02 |
| njohnston | #chair SridarK | 04:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK njohnston | 04:02 |
| SridarK | no worries thx | 04:02 |
| njohnston | #chair yushiro xgerman | 04:02 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: yushiro | 04:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SridarK njohnston xgerman yushiro | 04:02 |
| SridarK | #topic FWaaS v2 | 04:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "FWaaS v2 (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:02 | |
| SridarK | I think yushiro is out today | 04:03 |
| SridarK | and we are done with the CLI discussion, now it is just a matter of getting the review moving when he is back | 04:04 |
| SridarK | so lets move on to L2 | 04:04 |
| SridarK | padkrish may join in late | 04:04 |
| SridarK | but he has been working the L2 Agent side of things and has good progress on that | 04:05 |
| SridarK | so lets move to the driver | 04:05 |
| SridarK | chandanc_: SarathMekala: pls go ahead all yours | 04:05 |
| chandanc_ | We have been working on the UT for conntrack and l2 driver | 04:05 |
| chandanc_ | the Conntrack still has 2 more UT breaks but the ideas provided by Nate and Margaret helped | 04:06 |
| SridarK | great | 04:06 |
| njohnston | You both were working hard - I saw a blizzard of patchsets come in - nice work! | 04:06 |
| chandanc_ | On the Iptables driver side we had some 100 + UT breakage | 04:06 |
| SridarK | ouch | 04:06 |
| chandanc_ | we could bring it down to 307 now | 04:06 |
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| chandanc_ | 37 * | 04:06 |
| chandanc_ | sorry | 04:06 |
| SridarK | :-) | 04:07 |
| chandanc_ | should be able to close the iptable UTs quite soon | 04:07 |
| chandanc_ | but the contrack one seems a hardnut | 04:07 |
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| SridarK | excellent - then u can push for core attention on the iptables patch | 04:07 |
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| chandanc_ | even with the threading lock we are not able to fix the last 2 UTs | 04:08 |
| chandanc_ | yes I think now I will ask for Core attention | 04:08 |
| njohnston | I can take a look at those 2 last UTs; I am humble but perhaps I can help. | 04:08 |
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| chandanc_ | sure njohnston | 04:09 |
| chandanc_ | I can use some help | 04:09 |
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| chandanc_ | I will be pinging Kevin this week | 04:10 |
| SridarK_ | sorry got bounced, chandanc_: if think it will help we can all get together in a mtg tomorrow to do some debugging | 04:10 |
| chandanc_ | sure that will be helpful | 04:11 |
| SarathMekala | +1 | 04:11 |
| SridarK_ | chandanc_: pls send out an email to all of us, to coordinate on a time | 04:11 |
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| njohnston | +1 | 04:12 |
| chandanc_ | I will send a mail to the team with the meeting time | 04:12 |
| SridarK_ | we can get some context as well on this to think thru | 04:12 |
| chandanc_ | BTW what will be a good time for you guys | 04:12 |
| SridarK_ | great thx chandanc_: | 04:12 |
| chandanc_ | yes | 04:12 |
| SridarK_ | I have a mtg at 9am to 9:30am Pacific time - after that i am fine | 04:13 |
| njohnston | chandan: for me sometime between 1300 UTC and 2100 UTC | 04:14 |
| njohnston | is optimal | 04:14 |
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| SarathMekala | 1400 UTC then | 04:15 |
| SridarK_ | sure i can make that work too | 04:15 |
| SridarK_ | a bit early for me but should be ok | 04:15 |
| njohnston | sounds good | 04:15 |
| SridarK_ | ok lets carry that fwd to the mtg, meanwhile just send out an email with some context and i can set up a conf call | 04:16 |
| chandanc_ | Sure | 04:16 |
| chandanc_ | Will send a mail | 04:16 |
| SridarK_ | we can get to the fwaas piece after the neutron pieces are getting some review traction | 04:17 |
| SarathMekala | meeting for today right? | 04:17 |
| SridarK_ | this is definitely not the long pole | 04:17 |
| SridarK_ | SarathMekala: yes so that would be 7:30pm for u guys (i think) | 04:17 |
| chandanc_ | yes | 04:18 |
| njohnston | we appreciate you staying late | 04:18 |
| chandanc_ | 7:30 is not late :) | 04:18 |
| njohnston | my wife would have strong opinions if I stayed until 7:30 ;-) | 04:19 |
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| SridarK_ | ok other things on the L2 driver side of things that u would like to discuss ? | 04:19 |
| chandanc_ | :) | 04:19 |
| SridarK_ | :-) | 04:19 |
| SarathMekala | :) | 04:19 |
| SarathMekala | SridarK_, we are ok till 9 pm if its clashing with your meeting | 04:19 |
| SridarK_ | no this is fine | 04:19 |
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| SridarK_ | i have to convince someone to take the dog out - thats all :-) | 04:20 |
| SridarK_ | good lets move on, i will send out conf call details | 04:20 |
| SarathMekala | :) my dog takes me out around this time | 04:20 |
| SridarK_ | :-) | 04:20 |
| njohnston | :-) | 04:20 |
| SridarK_ | other things on v2 - i started looking at tempest, but had to take care of some other things at work so been slow | 04:21 |
| njohnston | ok, sounds like we can move on | 04:21 |
| SridarK_ | will get back on track on this - so we can get some basic coverage in | 04:21 |
| njohnston | ecellent! The tempest change looks like it just needs neutron infra +1 and it will merge | 04:22 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371749/ tempest change | 04:22 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: great, so we can just hook our v2 tests to this | 04:23 |
| SridarK_ | once i get some done | 04:23 |
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| njohnston | yes, for every change we will get v1 and v2 test results - both non-voting, but still we'll be able to make sure our changes are working on both sides | 04:23 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: great | 04:24 |
| SridarK_ | ok thats about all i had on v2 | 04:24 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: anything else to cover ? | 04:24 |
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| njohnston | nothing on v2 | 04:25 |
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| SridarK_ | ok we can move on then | 04:25 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: i think my alias got morphed, so can u pls drive | 04:25 |
| njohnston | sure thing | 04:25 |
| SridarK_ | this was the main set of things i wanted to discuss mainly | 04:26 |
| njohnston | All right, I have a few other items | 04:26 |
| njohnston | #topic Ocata | 04:26 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: pls go ahead | 04:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:26 | |
| njohnston | I don't know how many people we are going to have in Barcelona | 04:26 |
| njohnston | So I am unsure if we should talk about Ocata priorities in one of these meetings, or in person at the summit | 04:27 |
| chandanc_ | Sorry we will not be able to make it this time :( | 04:27 |
| njohnston | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fwaas-ocata fwaas ocata etherpad | 04:27 |
| njohnston | chandanc_: I will regret not seeing you | 04:27 |
| SridarK_ | chandanc_: sigh - i was hoping both of u will make it | 04:28 |
| hoangcx | njohnston, I will be at the summit and looking forward to discuss in person as last Austin summit. | 04:28 |
| chandanc_ | Ya, but we seem to have budget constrain :( | 04:28 |
| SridarK_ | hoangcx: ok will yushiro be there too ? | 04:28 |
| SridarK_ | chandanc_: yes i understand | 04:28 |
| hoangcx | SridarK_, Yes. He will be there too | 04:28 |
| SridarK_ | ok | 04:29 |
| njohnston | looking forward to seeing you again, hoangcx! | 04:29 |
| njohnston | I have already been pursuing one of the items on the Ocata list, which is an integration with Congress. I think it is very interesting, and I'll be chatting with the Congress people in one of their work sessions. | 04:29 |
| njohnston | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/congress-fwaas Congress integration with FWaaS | 04:29 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: cool | 04:30 |
| njohnston | It's quite exciting, I have been emailing with Tim Hinrichs on the Congress side | 04:31 |
| SridarK_ | njohnston: u can give us an outline either at the summit or we can discuss before | 04:32 |
| njohnston | SridarK_: definitely | 04:32 |
| SridarK_ | since all folks will not make it, perhaps we can have a sync mtg with the team to focus on priorities and some level of input for planning and priorities folks would like to see addressed in Ocata | 04:33 |
| njohnston | I think that would be very good | 04:33 |
| SridarK_ | we can do this in this forum or also as separate meeting (even as a conf call if folks so desire) | 04:34 |
| chandanc_ | +1 | 04:34 |
| njohnston | And to prep for that, make sure your ideas and info are in the etherpad | 04:34 |
| SarathMekala | +1 | 04:34 |
| SridarK_ | +1 | 04:34 |
| SridarK_ | ok we can plan to discuss this next week either here or towards the end of the week if we need more time | 04:35 |
| njohnston | sounds good | 04:35 |
| njohnston | #topic Other changes | 04:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Other changes (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:36 | |
| njohnston | There are a few changes flying about that I wanted to mention | 04:36 |
| njohnston | A fix to the periodic job that makes sure fwaas works with the master branch of neutron-lib (stadium prerequisite): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380648/ | 04:36 |
| njohnston | Yushiro put in a bug fix for an argument issue: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373964/ | 04:37 |
| njohnston | those two just need reviews | 04:37 |
| njohnston | and if people are interested in looking at documentation | 04:37 |
| SarathMekala | I will review them | 04:37 |
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| njohnston | please feel free to contribute to an embryonic install guide https://review.openstack.org/375706 | 04:38 |
| SridarK_ | on the reviews | 04:38 |
| njohnston | and/or migration of the fwaas docs from the admin guide to the networking guide, per Sam-I-Am's directions https://review.openstack.org/366331 | 04:38 |
| njohnston | I haven't had much time for the documentation, but I think the things that have been on my plate will start to get completed soon | 04:39 |
| njohnston | Does anyone else have changes in-flight that we haven't talked about, that they'd like reviews on? | 04:40 |
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| njohnston | #topic Bugs | 04:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:42 | |
| njohnston | We haven't talked about bugs much in this meeting | 04:42 |
| njohnston | But to draw attention to the list: | 04:42 |
| njohnston | #link http://tinyurl.com/fwaas-bugs | 04:42 |
| njohnston | one of those is from late September, bug 1622460 | 04:43 |
| openstack | bug 1622460 in neutron "neutron-server report 'FirewallNotFound' when delete firewall under l3_ha mode" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1622460 | 04:43 |
| njohnston | But we have bugs going back as far back as 2013 (gasp) | 04:44 |
| SridarK_ | many of these may just require clean up | 04:44 |
| njohnston | So I am hoping that we can take a periodic look at bugs, especially as adoption increases we will start seeing a greater flow | 04:44 |
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| SridarK_ | +1 | 04:45 |
| njohnston | and nuke bugs that date to a havana/icehouse timeframe | 04:45 |
| SarathMekala | I have one observation to discuss on the bug area | 04:45 |
| njohnston | Please go ahead, SarathMekala | 04:45 |
| SarathMekala | when VPNaaS is installed using devstack it fails to start as it cant locate /etc/neutron/fwaas_driver.ini | 04:46 |
| SridarK_ | Hmm | 04:46 |
| njohnston | Why is VPNaaS looking for the FWaaS config file? | 04:46 |
| SarathMekala | I took a cursory glance at their installation script and there seems to be some linkage to FwaaS | 04:47 |
| njohnston | I think they tried to create some hokey workaround so that FWaaS and VPNaaS could coexist | 04:47 |
| SarathMekala | 1 min will share the paste link | 04:47 |
| SridarK_ | SarathMekala: the linkage is again embedded in the inheritance hierachy issues on L3Agent | 04:47 |
| SarathMekala | http://paste.openstack.org/show/584360/ | 04:47 |
| SridarK_ | VPN inherits from L3Agent class | 04:47 |
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| njohnston | was VPN's inheritance snipped the same way FWaaS's was? I realize our inheritance was more sordid, with L3NATAgent inheriting from firewall_l3_agent.FWaaSL3AgentRpcCallback | 04:49 |
| njohnston | But I would have thought they would have been given the shove a bit | 04:49 |
| SridarK_ | now how the ini file comes into play needs some thought - i dont recall why we see this | 04:49 |
| SridarK_ | i dont believe VPN made any fixes | 04:50 |
| SridarK_ | earlier, if VPN was configured - L3Agent would run as VPNAgent | 04:50 |
| njohnston | https://github.com/openstack/neutron-vpnaas/blob/e9d8afa2d7c778b4c4ba7325b989953726700b0c/devstack/settings#L30-L32 | 04:50 |
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| SridarK_ | yes exactly if FWaaS is also enabled | 04:51 |
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| njohnston | exactly https://github.com/openstack/neutron-vpnaas/blob/e9d8afa2d7c778b4c4ba7325b989953726700b0c/devstack/plugin.sh#L57-L59 | 04:51 |
| SridarK_ | then that too runs in the context of VPNagent | 04:51 |
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| njohnston | I think that we can propose to them that these bits be excised | 04:52 |
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| SridarK_ | i think if i heard correctly, vpn did not want to make any changes | 04:52 |
| SridarK_ | i will ask Paul M | 04:52 |
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| njohnston | #topic Open Discussion | 04:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: fwaas)" | 04:53 | |
| SridarK_ | SarathMekala: were u interested to get VPN up ? | 04:53 |
| njohnston | Anything else, anyone? | 04:53 |
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| SarathMekala | Yes Sridar | 04:54 |
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| SarathMekala | on the Horizon UI front I will start working from next week | 04:54 |
| SridarK_ | SarathMekala: ok on VPN - there might not much traction in the community - i will ask and let u know | 04:55 |
| SridarK_ | one of the cores works with me | 04:55 |
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| SarathMekala | sure SridarK_.. thanks | 04:56 |
| SridarK_ | great on the horizon - it will be nice to get that in place, close on the heels of CLI | 04:56 |
| njohnston | As far as VPNaaS, I threw up a quick patch to remove the FWaaS-specific bits from their devstack plugin | 04:56 |
| njohnston | #link https://review.openstack.org/382141 Disentangle VPNaaS from FWaaS | 04:56 |
| njohnston | So we can see how that is received | 04:56 |
| SridarK_ | sounds good | 04:57 |
| SarathMekala | njohnston, you amaze me :O | 04:57 |
| SridarK_ | +1 | 04:57 |
| * njohnston blushes | 04:57 | |
| njohnston | OK, I think that sounds like everything. Last call? | 04:57 |
| SridarK_ | i am good | 04:58 |
| SarathMekala | nothing on my side | 04:58 |
| njohnston | excellent. Thank you so much everyone. | 04:58 |
| SridarK_ | Thanks all | 04:58 |
| njohnston | #endmeeting | 04:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 04:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 5 04:58:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-10-05-04.00.html | 04:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-10-05-04.00.txt | 04:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-10-05-04.00.log.html | 04:58 |
| SridarK_ | Bye everyone | 04:58 |
| SarathMekala | bye all O/ | 04:58 |
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| njohnston | bye! | 04:59 |
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| soichi | hi | 05:30 |
| kaz | hi | 05:30 |
| vnyyad | Hi | 05:31 |
| soichi | #startmeeting taas | 05:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 5 05:31:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is soichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:31 |
| soichi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas | 05:31 |
| soichi | #topic Inclusion in Governance and Neutron Stadium | 05:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Inclusion in Governance and Neutron Stadium (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:32 | |
| soichi | vnyyad, kaz: would you please share the status if you have any update | 05:32 |
| kaz | sorry, i have no update. | 05:33 |
| vnyyad | vnyyad: none either | 05:33 |
| soichi | okay, let's go on the next topic | 05:34 |
| soichi | #topic Adding TaaS to Ocata Design Summit Ideas? | 05:34 |
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| soichi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-neutron-summit-ideas | 05:34 |
| soichi | as a reference, Etehrpad for ideas in Austin/Newton design summit: | 05:35 |
| -soichi- #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas | 05:35 | |
| soichi | My idea is submitting the same agenda again, that is | 05:35 |
| soichi | "Tap-as-a-Service session to talk about next steps for the project: enhancements, governance, ..." | 05:35 |
| soichi | please let me know if you have much better idea | 05:36 |
| vnyyad | adding filtering capability while mirroring would be good as i have been hearing | 05:36 |
| vnyyad | i can add that to etherpad if not already there | 05:36 |
| soichi | +1 | 05:36 |
| kaz | vnyyad: +1 | 05:37 |
| vnyyad | i guess you guys should also add the flow based approach to improve preformance to that list | 05:37 |
| soichi | i agree with you | 05:38 |
| vnyyad | its is a viable approach when we have spare nics on the server | 05:38 |
| soichi | yes | 05:38 |
| vnyyad | but yes first things the Governance issue | 05:39 |
| soichi | sure, i think so too | 05:40 |
| vnyyad | when is the design session due for | 05:40 |
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| soichi | I'm not sure. I think it is not announced yet. | 05:41 |
| vnyyad | ha ok | 05:41 |
| vnyyad | would it be possible to attend it over skype or other means in case i cannot make it | 05:42 |
| soichi | I guess contributors meet up will be held on 28th Friday. | 05:42 |
| vnyyad | ha ok.... since it is in CET time zone i can dial in or come over skype and join it | 05:42 |
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| soichi | thank you | 05:43 |
| soichi | I will add two topics to the Etherpad 1) Governance and 2) Add the flow based approach. | 05:44 |
| vnyyad | i will add the filtering | 05:44 |
| soichi | thank you | 05:44 |
| soichi | #topic Daylight Saving Time will end. Do we need to change IRC time slot from Nov.? | 05:46 |
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| soichi | the summer time period ends at Oct 30th in EU and at Nov 6th in US. | 05:47 |
| kaz | i think we do not need to change IRC time. | 05:48 |
| vnyyad | +1 | 05:49 |
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| soichi | vnyyad, kaz: i see, but I'd like to discuss it again on next week because Anil is not available today. | 05:50 |
| kaz | soichi: sure | 05:50 |
| vnyyad | yes | 05:51 |
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| soichi | #topic Open Discussion | 05:51 |
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| soichi | do you have any topic? | 05:54 |
| vnyyad | nothing from me | 05:54 |
| kaz | me too | 05:55 |
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| soichi | vnyyad: I'm looking forwad to see the presenation: "Tapping in NFV cloud : A real world showcase by Swisscom, Ericsson and IXIA" | 05:55 |
| vnyyad | sure :) | 05:55 |
| vnyyad | i am still working out how to attend the summit | 05:55 |
| vnyyad | but i will try my best to make it there or be there virtually there | 05:56 |
| soichi | i hope you can attend and we have a chance to meet | 05:56 |
| vnyyad | yes | 05:56 |
| kaz | +1 | 05:56 |
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| soichi | okay, I'd like to close today's meeting | 05:58 |
| soichi | see you next week | 05:58 |
| vnyyad | thanks, see you next week | 05:58 |
| kaz | bye | 05:59 |
| soichi | #endmeeting | 05:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 05:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 5 05:59:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-10-05-05.31.html | 05:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-10-05-05.31.txt | 05:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2016/taas.2016-10-05-05.31.log.html | 05:59 |
| soichi | bye | 05:59 |
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| claudiub | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 5 13:00:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is claudiub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:00 |
| claudiub | hellou | 13:00 |
| claudiub | gonna wait a bit for people to join | 13:01 |
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| sagar_nikam | Hi | 13:01 |
| claudiub | hello :) | 13:02 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: anyone else joining? | 13:02 |
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| atuvenie | hi all | 13:03 |
| claudiub | hello :) | 13:03 |
| sagar_nikam | no | 13:03 |
| sagar_nikam | we can start | 13:04 |
| claudiub | cool | 13:04 |
| claudiub | #topic nova patches | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nova patches (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:04 | |
| claudiub | sooo, just fyi, we already merged 2 blueprints in ocata in nova | 13:04 |
| sagar_nikam | nice !!! | 13:05 |
| sagar_nikam | which ones ? | 13:05 |
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| claudiub | those are the Hyper-V UEFI one, and the storage QoS one. | 13:05 |
| claudiub | #link Hyper-V storage QoS support patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175479/ | 13:05 |
| claudiub | #link Hyper-V UEFI Secure Boot https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209581/ | 13:05 |
| claudiub | there have been a couple of python3 related patches that merged too | 13:05 |
| lpetrut | hey guys | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam | any progress on FC ? | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam | in ocata | 13:06 |
| claudiub | and I can say that nova-compute on Hyper-V works well with python 3 | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam | any perf improvement after moving to python 3 | 13:06 |
| sagar_nikam | ? | 13:06 |
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| claudiub | the os-brick in nova patch is still pending. | 13:07 |
| claudiub | #link os-brick in nova patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/273504/ | 13:07 |
| claudiub | the blueprint is approved, and it got some core review on it | 13:07 |
| claudiub | soo, yeah | 13:07 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:08 |
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| claudiub | also, for the Hyper-V OVS vif driver, the blueprint is approved, and the patch no longer has a -2. still waiting reviews | 13:08 |
| claudiub | as for the python 3 performance impact: we didn't do rally tests against it yet | 13:08 |
| claudiub | but python 3 is typically slower than python 2.7 | 13:08 |
| lpetrut | on the other hand, WS 2016 seems to bring some considerable performance improvements | 13:09 |
| sagar_nikam | lpetrut: that is irrespective of python 3 ? | 13:09 |
| lpetrut | yep | 13:09 |
| claudiub | yeah, so it can potentially balance it out. :) | 13:09 |
| claudiub | as for blueprints, we still have the shielded vms spec up for review. | 13:10 |
| claudiub | didn't get much attention | 13:10 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:11 |
| claudiub | questions? | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam | no | 13:11 |
| sagar_nikam | not much as of now | 13:11 |
| claudiub | moving on | 13:11 |
| claudiub | #topic PyMI release | 13:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PyMI release (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:11 | |
| claudiub | soo, PyMI 1.0.4 was released. | 13:12 |
| claudiub | #topic PyMI release: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/PyMI | 13:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PyMI release: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/PyMI (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:12 | |
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| claudiub | feel free to grab it | 13:12 |
| claudiub | as mentioned in the previous meetings, it boasts better performance. :) | 13:12 |
| sagar_nikam | ok.. we will check it | 13:13 |
| claudiub | #topic monasca status | 13:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "monasca status (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:13 | |
| claudiub | ehm, I have to rebase pretty much everything again :) | 13:14 |
| claudiub | also got some comments. will have to check them out. | 13:14 |
| sagar_nikam | why ? the last time they were almost fine and just wanted some documentation | 13:14 |
| claudiub | don't know if I've mentioned this previously, but I've also sent a patch adding documentaion | 13:15 |
| claudiub | yeah, will have to check the comments. it probably won't be anyting big anyways | 13:16 |
| sagar_nikam | the last time we discussed this... you attended a meeting with monasca team and they were fine with the code except docs | 13:16 |
| claudiub | yep | 13:16 |
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| sagar_nikam | so new code comments again ? | 13:17 |
| claudiub | yep. anyways, will sort it as soon as i can | 13:17 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:17 |
| sagar_nikam | thanks | 13:17 |
| claudiub | np :) | 13:17 |
| claudiub | #topic open discussion | 13:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:18 | |
| claudiub | hm, so there are a couple of things that I want to mention here | 13:19 |
| claudiub | first of all, on your hyper-v compute nodes, you should change the neutron_hyperv_agent.conf's firewall_driver to hyperv.neutron.security_groups_driver.HyperVSecurityGroupsDriver | 13:20 |
| claudiub | starting with ocata, the old value will no longer work | 13:20 |
| sagar_nikam | ok ... | 13:21 |
| sagar_nikam | so this is for ocata only ? | 13:21 |
| claudiub | #info The neutron_hyperv_agent.conf firewall_driver config value must be changed to hyperv.neutron.security_groups_driver.HyperVSecurityGroupsDriver when upgrading to Ocata | 13:22 |
| claudiub | the old value has been deprecated since mitaka | 13:22 |
| claudiub | still works, but in ocata it won't work anymore | 13:22 |
| claudiub | for more info, see patch: | 13:23 |
| sagar_nikam | ok got it. will mention it to sonu | 13:23 |
| claudiub | # Removes remaining Hyper-V plugin in neutron: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378299/1 | 13:23 |
| claudiub | #link Removes remaining Hyper-V plugin in neutron: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378299/1 | 13:23 |
| claudiub | the docs have been updated as well. | 13:23 |
| claudiub | secondly, there has been a bug affecting python 3 on hyper-v, on python-swiftclient, which has been fixed and merged | 13:24 |
| claudiub | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-swiftclient/+bug/1628107 | 13:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1628107 in python-swiftclient "Futures package should not be installed for python 3" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Claudiu Belu (cbelu) | 13:25 |
| claudiub | basically, python-swiftclient was installing the futures library in python3, and it shouldn't have, as, ironically, futures is not python 3 compatible | 13:26 |
| claudiub | python 3 comes with a native futures library anyways | 13:26 |
| sagar_nikam | why is this affecting hyperv ? nova's requirements.txt has it and hence it gets installed on nova compute for hyperv ? | 13:26 |
| claudiub | it does, but if you check the requirement, it says that it will only be installed on python 2.6 or python 2.7 | 13:27 |
| claudiub | futures>=3.0;python_version=='2.7' or python_version=='2.6' # BSD | 13:28 |
| claudiub | that line basically means that futures>=3.0 will be installed if the python version is 2.7 or 2.6 | 13:28 |
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| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:28 |
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| claudiub | also, currently working on solving some of the tests that are failing on the ci | 13:30 |
| claudiub | seems i'll have to send a patch up, most probably oslo.messaging | 13:30 |
| claudiub | anyways, that's about it from me | 13:31 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: any news from your side? | 13:31 |
| sagar_nikam | one point from me | 13:31 |
| sagar_nikam | i am planning to start off on kubernetus | 13:31 |
| sagar_nikam | how is it going ? | 13:31 |
| sagar_nikam | anything that i can try | 13:31 |
| claudiub | atuvenie: hi | 13:32 |
| atuvenie | heya, what are your plans there sagar? | 13:32 |
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| atuvenie | the aprenda folks have a WIP pull request that is on the K8 repo | 13:32 |
| atuvenie | I'm helping in the review process with that | 13:33 |
| sagar_nikam | first of all.... kubernetus is new to me | 13:33 |
| sagar_nikam | i will start some initial learning and trying out basic things | 13:33 |
| sagar_nikam | and then if something is ready for windows, i can try that | 13:33 |
| sagar_nikam | and provide you feedback | 13:34 |
| atuvenie | on the other side, I'm still playing with OVN to setup a overlay network like k8 needs, but it's kinda slow | 13:34 |
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| sagar_nikam | so as of now, basic k8s tests with windows also not a good option ? | 13:34 |
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| sagar_nikam | i am starting on k8s may be in a week or 10 days.. and will try for few weeks | 13:35 |
| sagar_nikam | and then i can try with windows | 13:35 |
| atuvenie | well, you can use the pull request that is currently under review | 13:35 |
| sagar_nikam | so may be a month from now, i can try k8s for windows | 13:35 |
| atuvenie | using that, I can create pods but networking is still a issue for me | 13:35 |
| sagar_nikam | any docs available | 13:36 |
| sagar_nikam | on how to use it ? | 13:36 |
| sagar_nikam | and containers are windows containers ? | 13:36 |
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| atuvenie | containers are indeed windows containers | 13:38 |
| atuvenie | have not tried with hyper-v containers | 13:38 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:38 |
| sagar_nikam | so let me try k8s on linux first | 13:38 |
| sagar_nikam | just basic hands on | 13:38 |
| sagar_nikam | to get familar | 13:38 |
| sagar_nikam | and then may be i will reach out to you to try on windows | 13:38 |
| sagar_nikam | is that fine ? | 13:39 |
| atuvenie | sure | 13:39 |
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| sagar_nikam | ok thanks | 13:39 |
| sagar_nikam | next question | 13:40 |
| sagar_nikam | claudiub: any plans on monasca-log ? | 13:40 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: didn't look at it yet | 13:40 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:41 |
| sagar_nikam | is that planned ? | 13:41 |
| sagar_nikam | did the monasca team mention anything sbout it | 13:41 |
| sagar_nikam | about it | 13:41 |
| claudiub | no they haven't. it is a bit low on my priority list, to be honest | 13:41 |
| claudiub | my main concern is nova and work on it. when I don't have anything to do there, and i have some free time, I can take a look | 13:42 |
| claudiub | sagar_nikam: any news from the testing lab? | 13:42 |
| sagar_nikam | ok sure got it | 13:43 |
| sagar_nikam | no... getting slot has been difficult | 13:43 |
| sagar_nikam | may be pushed by some more time | 13:43 |
| claudiub | ack | 13:43 |
| sagar_nikam | will let you know as and when we start it | 13:43 |
| sagar_nikam | we plan to test it on mitaka | 13:43 |
| claudiub | sounds good | 13:44 |
| sagar_nikam | i was told by sonu that some neutron-agent code may not scale | 13:44 |
| sagar_nikam | we are not sure though | 13:44 |
| sagar_nikam | the last time, sonu's team picked some code from mitaka and put it in liberty | 13:44 |
| sagar_nikam | and found sclability issues | 13:45 |
| sagar_nikam | we reverted it back to liberty | 13:45 |
| sagar_nikam | and we achieved good performance | 13:45 |
| sagar_nikam | may be it just a backport issue | 13:45 |
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| sagar_nikam | cant confirm | 13:45 |
| claudiub | there shouldn't have been any performance regressions from liberty to mitaka | 13:45 |
| claudiub | from our tests, mitaka was performing significantly better than liberty | 13:46 |
| sagar_nikam | i think we would have taken only some pieces of code | 13:46 |
| claudiub | we presented those results a few months ago | 13:46 |
| sagar_nikam | we will try with full mitaka | 13:46 |
| sagar_nikam | rather than just some code backported | 13:46 |
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| claudiub | ok | 13:47 |
| claudiub | well, that's about it from me | 13:47 |
| claudiub | any other questions from you, sagar_nikam? | 13:47 |
| sagar_nikam | no not as of now | 13:47 |
| claudiub | well then, we can end the meeting soon. :) | 13:48 |
| sagar_nikam | how is the summit plans going ? | 13:48 |
| claudiub | well, we're currently working on demo's and other cool booth setups | 13:48 |
| claudiub | hopefully it will be an enjoyable summit. :) | 13:49 |
| claudiub | because after this, the summits won't be the same | 13:49 |
| claudiub | as the summit will split into 2 | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | why ? | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | oh ... what is that | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | dont know about it | 13:49 |
| claudiub | into the general public / marketplace summit, and the design summit | 13:49 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:50 |
| claudiub | which will be in 2 separate locations, in 2 separate dates | 13:50 |
| claudiub | i don't really know the reason | 13:50 |
| sagar_nikam | ok | 13:50 |
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| sagar_nikam | i am done with all topics... thanks | 13:51 |
| claudiub | well then, thanks folks for joining, see you next week! | 13:51 |
| claudiub | #endmeeting | 13:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 5 13:51:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-10-05-13.00.html | 13:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-10-05-13.00.txt | 13:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2016/hyper_v.2016-10-05-13.00.log.html | 13:51 |
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| ajo_ | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 5 14:01:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ajo_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 14:01 |
| ajo_ | let's leave some time for people to join | 14:02 |
| njohnston | Hi! I am lurking today. | 14:02 |
| ajo_ | #chair njohnston | 14:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ajo_ njohnston | 14:02 |
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| ajo_ | ack njohnston :) | 14:02 |
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| ajo_ | I see a few missing people, please say hi, whoever is around for this meeting :-) | 14:03 |
| rnoriega | hi | 14:03 |
| ajo_ | hi rnoriega ;) | 14:03 |
| ltomasbo | hi | 14:03 |
| ajo_ | hi ltomasbo !! :) | 14:03 |
| ajo_ | I heard that some people from Ericsson R&D would be joined because they're interested in contributing ;) | 14:04 |
| ajo_ | I miss slaweq, ralonso, and others hmmm | 14:05 |
| ajo_ | I wonder if it's worth having the meeting or if a email status update will be enough | 14:06 |
| ajo_ | rnoriega, ltomasbo thoughts? , shall we proceed, email, or wait? | 14:06 |
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| * ajo_ got everyone bored of QoS :P | 14:07 | |
| * njohnston is still here! | 14:07 | |
| ajo_ | hi njohnston :=) | 14:07 |
| ajo_ | this was more or less the agenda I had ready: | 14:07 |
| ajo_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qos-meeting | 14:07 |
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| ajo_ | ok, 10 minutes is enough, I'm going to summarize the status, | 14:09 |
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| ajo_ | and wrap up this quickly | 14:09 |
| rnoriega | ajo_, good! | 14:10 |
| ajo_ | so | 14:10 |
| davidsha | hey, sorry for being late! | 14:10 |
| ajo_ | #topic RFEs-approved | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs-approved (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 14:10 | |
| ajo_ | hi davidsha :) | 14:10 |
| ajo_ | #links https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=qos+rfe-approved+&field.tags_combinator=ALL | 14:10 |
| ajo_ | one is missing on that link, let me fix it | 14:10 |
| rnoriega | so we have three RFEs that have been approved, right? | 14:11 |
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| rnoriega | ajo_, it's fixed...thanks | 14:12 |
| ajo_ | Yeah, I've toggled strict min bw to rfe-approved (from rfe-postponed) | 14:12 |
| ajo_ | but I'm unsure I have the right to do that, I have commented it, and said that we should start by spec there. | 14:13 |
| ajo_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1586056 (extended validation) | 14:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586056 in neutron "[RFE] Improved validation mechanism for QoS rules with port types" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:13 |
| ajo_ | that one is about fixing some technical debt we have, | 14:13 |
| ajo_ | to make sure any changes to policies are validated with the plugin or mechanism drivers, | 14:13 |
| ajo_ | or changes to ports or networks (attached policy changes) | 14:14 |
| ajo_ | since dataplane capabilities for QoS are quite heterogeneous | 14:14 |
| ajo_ | that depends on more tech-debt | 14:14 |
| ajo_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351858/ (qos notification-driver to "driver") | 14:15 |
| rnoriega | ok | 14:15 |
| ajo_ | Some refactor over the current "qos driver" to make it more consistent and be able to do the improved validation properly | 14:15 |
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| ajo_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1560961 (instance ingress bw limit) | 14:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1560961 in neutron "[RFE] Allow instance-ingress bandwidth limiting" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:16 |
| ajo_ | this one depends on the two above ;) | 14:16 |
| ajo_ | this is like a train, sorry ;) | 14:16 |
| ajo_ | it does not physically depend on the others, but it's a constraint neutron-drivers has imposed on it, to make sure we fix the technical debt first, | 14:17 |
| ajo_ | which, makes sense IMHO | 14:17 |
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| ajo_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1560963 (minimum bw egress -non-strict-) | 14:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1560963 in neutron "[RFE] Minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,Fix released] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez) | 14:17 |
| ajo_ | that one is being worked out by Rodolfo Alonso | 14:18 |
| ajo_ | partly merged for newton (SR-IOV support) | 14:18 |
| ajo_ | and OVS & LB efforts are being developed to be merged in Ocata | 14:18 |
| ajo_ | let me look for the links, | 14:18 |
| ajo_ | I know ltomasbo is interested in this :) | 14:18 |
| rnoriega | ajo_, this last one is not strict bw support | 14:18 |
| ltomasbo | yep, I was about to ask.. | 14:19 |
| rnoriega | right? | 14:19 |
| ajo_ | rnoriega, non-strict, right | 14:19 |
| rnoriega | ok | 14:19 |
| ltomasbo | non-stric in the sense that it is not "nova-aware"? | 14:20 |
| ajo_ | correct | 14:20 |
| ajo_ | non scheduling aware | 14:20 |
| ltomasbo | ok | 14:20 |
| ajo_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/318531 QoS minimum egress for ovs-agent | 14:20 |
| ajo_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/357865 QoS minimum egress for LinuxBridge | 14:20 |
| ajo_ | buy the great Rodolfo Alonso Hernandez!, we should get him on some hall of fame (/me blinks eye on njohnston ) | 14:21 |
| ajo_ | buy -> by :) | 14:21 |
| rnoriega | ajo_, lol! I wanted to buy a Rodolfo for me as well | 14:21 |
| ajo_ | he's awesome | 14:22 |
| njohnston | :-) | 14:22 |
| ajo_ | and now, the hot topic | 14:22 |
| davidsha | +1 | 14:22 |
| ajo_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1578989 minimum bandwidth egress strict (scheduling aware) | 14:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1578989 in neutron "[RFE] Strict minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:22 |
| ajo_ | this feature builds on the other | 14:22 |
| ajo_ | and it's necessary to make sure no hypervisor is scheduled more "minimum bandwidth" than the specific nics can handle in total | 14:23 |
| ltomasbo | so, it will be enforce at host level, right? | 14:23 |
| ajo_ | so, effectively enforcing SUM(port[i].min_bw) for port in hypervisor <= hypervisor.bw | 14:24 |
| ajo_ | more or less | 14:24 |
| ltomasbo | if the bottleneck is at another point in the network, it will not be enforced, right | 14:24 |
| ajo_ | that's a simplified equation, as we need to consider the network over which the packets travel, and the direction too | 14:24 |
| rnoriega | ajo_, sorry for my ignorant question. But is there anything that could be done in parallel to accelerate the development of the strict min bw support? | 14:24 |
| rnoriega | like writing a spec | 14:24 |
| rnoriega | helping with some patches on the previous work | 14:25 |
| ajo_ | rnoriega, yes, let me get into that :) | 14:25 |
| rnoriega | ajo_, ok, thanks! | 14:25 |
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| ajo_ | I will summarize now the steps to get there | 14:25 |
| ajo_ | ltomasbo, you're right | 14:25 |
| ajo_ | ltomasbo, we have no capability now to see how the network architecture physically is | 14:25 |
| ajo_ | I wonder if we could model that on a later step | 14:26 |
| ajo_ | and let the scheduler consume from there | 14:26 |
| ajo_ | for example, we have the switches dataplane capacity, etc... | 14:26 |
| ajo_ | interconnections between switches | 14:26 |
| ajo_ | that's a harder stone to chew | 14:26 |
| ltomasbo | ajo_, any plans to tackle that? Perhaps in a VNF chain (as a first step) | 14:26 |
| ajo_ | IP connectivity /& routes for tunnels | 14:26 |
| ajo_ | ltomasbo, thinking of that problem causes me heartburn literally ;D | 14:27 |
| ltomasbo | :D | 14:27 |
| ajo_ | ltomasbo, I'd be very happy if anybody wants to look at it | 14:27 |
| ajo_ | but we should build the foundations first :) | 14:27 |
| ltomasbo | could be related to the EU project, but it will depend on the previous patches too | 14:28 |
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| ajo_ | ltomasbo, is on a fancy NFV related project ;) | 14:28 |
| ajo_ | sorry, no comma :) | 14:28 |
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| ajo_ | so | 14:29 |
| ajo_ | steps to get this RFE done (eventually) | 14:29 |
| ajo_ | I'd say it's an ocata & beyond effort, specially since Ocata cycle is shorter | 14:29 |
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| ajo_ | and since we have dependencies on some extra work for nova | 14:29 |
| ajo_ | so | 14:30 |
| ajo_ | 0) Writing a neutron spec including all the next steps in detail | 14:30 |
| ajo_ | I plan on tackling that, but I'm super happy if anybody wants to step in to write the barebones, and have me as Co-Author | 14:30 |
| ajo_ | since I must first kill the technical debt we have or drivers will kill me :) | 14:31 |
| ajo_ | such spec could contain some of the next steps: | 14:31 |
| ajo_ | 1) Neutron collecting physnet/tunneling available bandwidth on every compute, with the option to override via config. | 14:31 |
| ajo_ | 2) Neutron reporting such available bandwidth to the new nova placement API inventories in the form of NIC_BW_<physnet>_{ingress,egress} | 14:31 |
| ajo_ | that'd mean that neutron tells nova "this hypervisor has 10Gb total of NIC_BW_tenant_egress , 10Gb total of NIC_BW_tenant_ingress" as an example | 14:32 |
| ajo_ | for every hypervisor | 14:32 |
| ajo_ | also for external networks attached to compute nodes, etc.. | 14:32 |
| ajo_ | We'd make use of the new nova placement API: #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/newton/approved/generic-resource-pools.html | 14:33 |
| ajo_ | but we'd be missing a key feature from nova | 14:33 |
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| ajo_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/custom-resource-classes | 14:33 |
| ajo_ | which is being worked out | 14:33 |
| ajo_ | Jaypipes++ | 14:34 |
| ajo_ | that is | 14:34 |
| ajo_ | 3) Nova accepting custom resource types (NIC_BW_.....) now compute nodes report via this http api the CPU, DISK, RAM. | 14:34 |
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| ajo_ | 4) Changes in how Nova handles ports, by creating/fetching them before doing any scheduling. (this seems to be planned for Cellsv2) | 14:34 |
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| ajo_ | that way, nova can know the requirements of the port (in form of bandwidth) before trying to schedule the instance | 14:35 |
| ltomasbo | ajo_, why neutron needs to tell nova about static information (total NIC_BW)? | 14:35 |
| ltomasbo | or with total you meant total_in_use? | 14:35 |
| ajo_ | ltomasbo, the alternative would be | 14:35 |
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| ajo_ | nova find the qos_policy_id on port, as it's now | 14:35 |
| ajo_ | but then has to fetch the policy, and rules, and make an interpretation of such rules | 14:36 |
| ajo_ | which could be complex as they grow | 14:36 |
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| ajo_ | so after discussing with the nova team, it seems that the more reasonable option was to give a chewed output for nova (when nova creates, or fetches a port) | 14:36 |
| ltomasbo | so, if there is no QoS policy, there will be no information about the bandwidth of the hosts, right? | 14:37 |
| ajo_ | ltomasbo, I'm talking about the ports | 14:37 |
| ajo_ | when nova does a GET or POST of a port to neutron | 14:37 |
| ajo_ | we'd provide the breakdowns of NIC_BW per net/direction | 14:38 |
| ajo_ | and that'd be empty if there is no qos policy attached to the port | 14:38 |
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| ltomasbo | ahh, ok, I thought you were talking about host_bw | 14:38 |
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| ajo_ | ah, no no :), that's on step 2, when neutron reports to nova placement API, | 14:39 |
| ajo_ | such reporting is static (not changing as we add or remove ports, it's the total available) | 14:39 |
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| ajo_ | nova will be responsible for counting down/up available traffic for this guarantee | 14:40 |
| ajo_ | and that's all | 14:40 |
| ltomasbo | ok, now it is clear! | 14:40 |
| ajo_ | rnoriega, any question about all this? :) | 14:41 |
| rnoriega | ajo_, not really! it was a very clear explanation of the current state... | 14:41 |
| rnoriega | ajo_, thanks!!! | 14:41 |
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| rnoriega | ajo_++ | 14:41 |
| ajo_ | ltomasbo, rnoriega , anyone, you're welcome to throw in an initial spec for this based on the steps :) | 14:41 |
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| rnoriega | ajo_, cool! let's see what we can do! | 14:42 |
| ltomasbo | ok | 14:42 |
| ajo_ | #topic other RFEs | 14:43 |
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| ajo_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=qos+rfe+&field.tags_combinator=ALL | 14:43 |
| ajo_ | we had this one too: | 14:43 |
| ajo_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1614728 | 14:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1614728 in neutron "REF: qos: rule list in policy is too difficult to use" [Undecided,Won't fix] | 14:43 |
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| ajo_ | which I have moved to won't fix by now, since we can't make changes to the API, unless we get microversioning (one day) | 14:44 |
| ajo_ | I'm moving this other one to Won't fix for the same reason: | 14:44 |
| ajo_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1580149 | 14:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580149 in neutron "[RFE] Rename API options related to QoS bandwidth limit rule" [Wishlist,Incomplete] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:44 |
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| ajo_ | and, there's ECN which needs more maturing | 14:46 |
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| ajo_ | I've heard non formal requests to provide pps limits, right rnoriega ? | 14:46 |
| rnoriega | ajo_, yep | 14:46 |
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| ajo_ | and also requests about, providing warnings on bandwidth usage | 14:47 |
| rnoriega | ajo_, right too | 14:47 |
| ajo_ | but that's more likely to fit in https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1592918 | 14:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1592918 in neutron "[RFE] Adding Port Statistics to Neutron Metering Agent" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Sana Khan (sana.khan) | 14:47 |
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| ajo_ | we can look at it when we don't have so much on our shoulders | 14:47 |
| rnoriega | ajo_, agreed. Thanks | 14:47 |
| ajo_ | #topic bugs | 14:48 |
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| ajo_ | #link http://bit.ly/1WhXlzm BUGS | 14:48 |
| ajo_ | let's see if we have anything there to be tackled | 14:48 |
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| ajo_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627749 qos driver api can have better error handling | 14:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627749 in neutron "qos driver api can have better error handling" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:48 |
| ajo_ | I agree, this one has been filled by yamamoto | 14:48 |
| ajo_ | basically, we could have other backends, like midonet in this case | 14:49 |
| ajo_ | which could fail when we ask to modify a policy | 14:49 |
| ajo_ | and we need to handle that properly | 14:49 |
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| ajo_ | now the opreation is just stopped | 14:49 |
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| ajo_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-neutronclient/+bug/1587291 | 14:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1587291 in python-neutronclient "Specifying '-F' or '--field' parameter in the qos related commands, returns abnormal result" [Low,In progress] - Assigned to Yan Songming (songmingyan) | 14:51 |
| ajo_ | this one is in progress, probably needs reviews | 14:51 |
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| ajo_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326902/ | 14:51 |
| ajo_ | ohh, it's merged | 14:51 |
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| ajo_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1625570 testing DSCP in fullstack via packet inspection | 14:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1625570 in neutron "fullstack : should add test of ensure traffic is using DSCP marks outbound " [Wishlist,New] | 14:53 |
| ajo_ | that one is wishlist, but important too, because now we only make sure rules are set properly, etc, | 14:53 |
| ajo_ | but we never check the outgoing traffic for DSCP marks | 14:53 |
| njohnston | so in that case we're really testing ovs flows | 14:53 |
| ajo_ | njohnston, ^:) | 14:53 |
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| njohnston | not testing the neutron code | 14:53 |
| ajo_ | yes, we have some proposals to use pcap / tcpdump to check the real packets coming out the VM | 14:53 |
| ajo_ | yes, but since those are our flows, we may want to test them | 14:54 |
| ajo_ | they can become broken | 14:54 |
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| ajo_ | (incompatibilities to ovs-fw, or the new L2 flow pipeline (eventually)) | 14:54 |
| ajo_ | the intent is... avoiding the feature from being silently broken | 14:54 |
| njohnston | Understood. Is there any other packet capture code in fullstack? | 14:54 |
| ajo_ | njohnston, we have some experiments with tcpdump | 14:55 |
| ajo_ | and I discussed some options with jlibosva but not sure what's the status | 14:55 |
| njohnston | Sounds fun! And it frightens me to my core. | 14:55 |
| ajo_ | nah, it shall just be fun | 14:55 |
| ajo_ | 1) setup rules | 14:55 |
| ajo_ | 2) ssh to the VM to send packets to tempest controller | 14:55 |
| ajo_ | sorry | 14:55 |
| ajo_ | not even that, no VM :) | 14:55 |
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| ajo_ | just send packets from the first port to the 2nd | 14:56 |
| ajo_ | (this is fullstack, no tempest | 14:56 |
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| ajo_ | 3) capture packets on the other side with a filter for the dscp flag | 14:56 |
| ajo_ | no packets -> rules don't work | 14:56 |
| ajo_ | packets -> rule works | 14:56 |
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| ajo_ | and | 14:57 |
| ajo_ | I guess we can wrap up the meeting for today, .... wasn't it going to be short? ':] | 14:58 |
| njohnston | :-D | 14:58 |
| ltomasbo | :D | 14:58 |
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| ajo_ | njohnston, ltomasbo , davidsha , njohnston , see u around | 14:58 |
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| njohnston | thanks ajo_ | 14:58 |
| davidsha | Thanks! see ya! | 14:58 |
| ajo_ | thank you sirs! | 14:58 |
| ltomasbo | Thanks! See you! | 14:58 |
| ajo_ | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 5 14:59:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-10-05-14.01.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-10-05-14.01.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2016/neutron_qos.2016-10-05-14.01.log.html | 14:59 |
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| rnoriega | thanks ajo_ ! byee | 15:00 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 5 15:01:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:01 |
| haad1 | hey | 15:01 |
| Kamil__ | o/ | 15:01 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:01 |
| pratid | hi | 15:01 |
| cbellucci | o/ | 15:01 |
| witek | hi | 15:01 |
| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 15:01 |
| koji | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | i just tried starting the meeting in the moansca room | 15:02 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | and no one was there | 15:02 |
| hosanai | o/ | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | hello everyone | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:02 |
| Trpger | what's up | 15:02 |
| haad1 | so let's start :) | 15:02 |
| Fdaisuke | o/ | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday October 5, 2016 (15:00 UTC) | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 1.monasca-statsd (stable) and monasca-agent out of sync | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 1.https://github.com/openstack/monasca-statsd/commit/c4bbfa665df15e57b73381b2467e214c4e04a70a | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 2.https://github.com/openstack/monasca-agent/commit/feb0a83bd9011bac4d7c6e85afef59d0f1fdb7f5 | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 3.2016-09-26 08:40:13 GMT-2 | WARNING | statsd | monasca_agent.statsd.udp(udp.py:111) | metric type ms not supported. | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 2.Status of openstack-ansible-os_monasca role and merging fixes | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 3.Reviews | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 1.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379585/ | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | so, we have a little bit of an agenda today | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | i guess we shoudl cover that first and then open it up | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | #topic monasca-statsd (stable) and monasca-agent out of sync | 15:03 |
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| witek | that me | 15:04 |
| witek | we see cited warnings when monitoring log-api | 15:04 |
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| witek | the commit in statsd is not in stable, and as far as I understand it can be difficult to merge it into stable | 15:05 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | i think we'll be allowed to do the merge in a couple of days | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | so, we can cherry pick into the newton branch the relevant commit | 15:06 |
| Trpger | !get mirc | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | and then update the tafs on the newton branch | 15:06 |
| openstack | Trpger: Error: "get" is not a valid command. | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | will that resolve the problem? | 15:07 |
| witek | if that will be possible, then it shouldn't be a problem | 15:07 |
| witek | yes, that should resolve the problem | 15:08 |
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| rhochmuth | witek: can you do the cherry pick to the newton branch? | 15:08 |
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| witek | yes, should I wait until freeze is lifted? | 15:08 |
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| rhochmuth | i think so | 15:09 |
| witek | ok | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | note, this review for updating tags is also in progres, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374361/ | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | for monasca-statsd | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | i think they will merge that review relatively soon | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | after that merge goes through then we can cherry-pick to monasca-statsd and update the tags | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | :-) | 15:11 |
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| rhochmuth | does that cover that topic? | 15:12 |
| witek | yes, thanks | 15:12 |
| witek | I just hope it works :) | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | me too | 15:12 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic Status of openstack-ansible-os_monasca role and merging fixes | 15:13 |
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| rhochmuth | is someone here avaialble to discuss this topic? | 15:13 |
| haad1 | yeah | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | hi haad1 | 15:13 |
| haad1 | so for me there are couple questions here | 15:13 |
| haad1 | hi | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | are you working on this? | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | or just have questions | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | i'm not involved in this effort | 15:14 |
| haad1 | yeah I would like to as I have to deploy monasca with ansible anyway | 15:14 |
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| rhochmuth | hhad1: you have the floor | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | haad1: sorry, got your name wrong | 15:15 |
| haad1 | so what do we want to do with this role | 15:15 |
| haad1 | install + configure whole monasca + backend | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | that would be nice | 15:16 |
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| haad1 | my suggestion would be to split it into multiple roles | 15:16 |
| haad1 | as that would be much more usable | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | are you working on a single node depoly or multiple nodes | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | clustered or non-clustered | 15:17 |
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| haad1 | we are doploying it on multiple nodes | 15:17 |
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| haad1 | api/notification/thresh on couple + backend on other | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | ok, so what we've done in the past is create a role for every component | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | mysql, influxdb, zk, kafka, storm | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | those are the based shared services | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | you already have roles for mysql i'm sure | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | but probably not the others | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | then i would create roles for monasca-api, monasca-persister, ... | 15:18 |
| haad1 | so what I did in my pull request is that I have added support for deploying backend services with this role | 15:18 |
| haad1 | and would add api services in other one | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | i'm not an ansible expert | 15:19 |
| haad1 | ok and how I would make them available to community as monasca roles for deployment ? | 15:20 |
| haad1 | My plan wat to change existing openstack roles to help others | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | i tend to think of each compnent as a micro-service that can be deployed independently | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | each component with it's own role | 15:21 |
| haad1 | yeah that's why I think current approach is not optimal at all | 15:21 |
| haad1 | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-ansible-os_monasca/ | 15:21 |
| haad1 | using one mega role is not good | 15:21 |
| haad1 | it should be per service | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | well, i don't think it is a terrible idea to have a single role | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | either | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | it depends on a lot of things | 15:22 |
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| rhochmuth | we have written a lot of ansible roles a while ago, https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=ansible-monasca | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | and had created a role for each component | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | the down side is lot's of repos, roles, … | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | but, i still think a separate role for each repo/component is the optimal approach | 15:23 |
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| haad1 | you can still have one wrapper role which will wrap all api services | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | or better approach | 15:23 |
| haad1 | to one role and then do the same for backend | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | yes, that might be a good approach | 15:23 |
| haad1 | ok so I can create those roles for newton branch as I have to update our deployment to newton anyway | 15:24 |
| haad1 | but how can I get them under opentstack | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | i'm not sure i understand the question | 15:25 |
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| haad1 | how we can make them offical monasca roles under openstack | 15:26 |
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| rhochmuth | unfortunately, i don't have much engagemnt with the openstack ansible project | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | have you submitted blueprints and reivewed/discussed with that project? | 15:28 |
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| haad1 | that would be my mistake I thought that this role is under monasca project | 15:29 |
| haad1 | I will ping them tomorrow on their meeting | 15:29 |
| haad1 | and see what happens | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | ok, so I was thinking that you were involved with that project already | 15:29 |
| haad1 | ok thanks | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | that explains the problem | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | so the openstack ansible project is run by another team | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | i'm hoping that they will want a monasca role | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | i can't see why they wouldn't | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | so, i think for guidance and process questions it will be best to follow-up with them | 15:30 |
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| rhochmuth | i will be glad to help | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | although, when it comes to ansible/deployment i'm not the right guy to ask | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | but there are others invovled with monasca that do know a lot in this area | 15:31 |
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| rhochmuth | so, they could help with reviews on the roles that you are creating | 15:31 |
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| rhochmuth | so, should we move on? | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | to the next topic? | 15:31 |
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| pratid | please proceed | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | also, if the ansible openstack project needs or wants our involvmenet, then we can help | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | thx pratid | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | #topic reviews | 15:33 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic Reviews | 15:33 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379585/ | 15:33 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm waiting for gates to pass, then i'll check with craig, but it looks like this one is ready | 15:33 |
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| rhochmuth | rbak: u there? | 15:34 |
| rbak | Thanks. I was just trying to get eyes on that. | 15:34 |
| rbak | I don't have anything to add | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | unless craig has any issues, looks like a merge | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | awaiting any additional comments | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | also, as gates were down for a few days, didn't look at this | 15:35 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic open floor | 15:36 |
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| rhochmuth | i think that completes the formal agenda | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | if anyone has any additional topics that they would like to discuss, then the floor is open | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | we have about 20 minutes | 15:37 |
| pratid | i'd like to include | 15:37 |
| pratid | this review for next meeting | 15:37 |
| pratid | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374204/ | 15:37 |
| pratid | about but https://bugs.launchpad.net/monasca/+bug/1625573 | 15:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1625573 in Monasca "monasca-setup does not support service_type & endpoint_type for Keystone Catalog" [Undecided,Fix committed] - Assigned to Pablo Rodriguez (pratid) | 15:37 |
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| rhochmuth | pratid: sounds good, please add to the agenda | 15:38 |
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| pratid | could I | 15:38 |
| pratid | could I? | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | also, i'll try and review over the next few days | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | pratid: the agenda is posted at, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda, and is open for anyone to add too | 15:38 |
| pratid | good, i'll do | 15:38 |
| pratid | didn't know about the procedure, sorry | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | np | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | i've just added a spot for next week | 15:39 |
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| pratid | thx | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | I just added your review | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | so you shoudl be all set for next week | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | also, if we get enough review comments this might be addressed by next week | 15:40 |
| pratid | perfect | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | it looks like joe keen had some comments on that review | 15:41 |
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| pratid | yes, and i added some comments in reply | 15:41 |
| pratid | i'd like to revisit this issue | 15:42 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, i'll take a look | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | and ping joe | 15:42 |
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| pratid | nothing else from my side | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | pratid: thx | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | are there other topics to discuss | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | i should mention i'm trying to put the monasca agenda together for the summit | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | but it mainly some of the areas that we've discussed/mentioned already | 15:44 |
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| rhochmuth | i should mention that there is a backlog of reviews | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | rbak: if we merged the changes for the names, dimensions names and dimension values | 15:45 |
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| rhochmuth | do you think you could complete the grafana changes | 15:45 |
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| rhochmuth | or, the other way to look at this, can you complete all the grafana work first | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | then give us a thumbs up | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | then we can merge the api changes and your grafana changes more or less at the same time | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | i'm just worried about downtime | 15:46 |
| rbak | I can do the grafana changes any time | 15:46 |
| rbak | They shouldn't be difficult | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | cool | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | i think it is ready | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | we've been holding off with final reviewes and merges due to newton release | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | ill check with kaiyan and others, but i think it is good to go | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | so, if you complete grafana work, then we can merge, and hopefully very little downtime | 15:47 |
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| rhochmuth | i think we can start merging to master after oct 6th | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | assuming the origianl schedule holds | 15:48 |
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| witek | 7th | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | thx witek | 15:49 |
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| rhochmuth | also, i tried out xenial again this morning | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | it is going further than the last time i tried | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | so the big issue i beleive has been resolved in merged in the virtual box image | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | but, it didn't complete | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | i think i ran into problems with openjdk7 | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | but, i didnt' get a thorough look | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | had to run | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | once xenial support merged, that will open up several other reviews to merge | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | . | 15:53 |
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| shinya_kwbt | big issue i beleive has been resolved in merged in the virtual box image that is good | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | other topics/updates/requests | 15:53 |
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| rhochmuth | thx shinya_kwbt | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | yes, it went further | 15:53 |
| rhochmuth | but still some problems, that i wasn't sure about | 15:54 |
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| shinya_kwbt | I also want to try but I cant do that now sorry. I'm in business trip. | 15:54 |
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| rhochmuth | are you in barcelona already? | 15:54 |
| shinya_kwbt | Oh no. I'm not rich haha | 15:55 |
| shinya_kwbt | I'm in tokyo now. | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | hopefully, i'll get another look later today at xenial | 15:55 |
| witek | I think Tokyo is more expensive :) | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | maybe i'll even be able to figure it out | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | ok, sounds like we are wrapping-up for today | 15:56 |
| shinya_kwbt | witek: Yes. hotel is very small and expensive! | 15:56 |
| rhochmuth | i'm going to end the meeting | 15:56 |
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| pratid | bye | 15:56 |
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| witek | thanks, bye | 15:57 |
| Kamil__ | bye | 15:57 |
| shinya_kwbt | thx bye | 15:57 |
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| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 5 15:57:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-10-05-15.01.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-10-05-15.01.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2016/monasca.2016-10-05-15.01.log.html | 15:57 |
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| markvoelker | #startmeeting defcore | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 5 16:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markvoelker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| eglute_s | o/ | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'defcore' | 16:00 |
| catherine_d|1 | o/ | 16:00 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreLunar.21 Today's Agenda | 16:00 |
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| shamail | Hi everyone | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | #chair eglute_s hogepodge | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: eglute_s hogepodge markvoelker | 16:01 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 16:01 |
| brunssen | o/ | 16:01 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 16:01 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 16:01 |
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| markvoelker | Hi everyone. Just a few weeks until Barcelona left! Let's get to it... | 16:02 |
| eglute_s | should we be in 20 not 21? | 16:02 |
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| gema | o/ | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | eglute: 20 was last week, no? | 16:02 |
| eglute_s | i thought it was 19 last week | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | Heh...both pads show the same date | 16:02 |
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| eglute_s | i created 20 yesterday but didnt change the date | 16:03 |
| eglute_s | my bad | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | Ah, ok then. | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreLunar.20 Today's Agenda (for real this time) | 16:03 |
| markvoelker | #topic 2017.01 Guideline | 16:04 |
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| markvoelker | If folks could take a quick moment to update their status on the etherpad there please... | 16:04 |
| eglute_s | done... | 16:04 |
| eglute_s | I would like to talk about Ceilometer! | 16:05 |
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| markvoelker | eglute_s: the floor is yours | 16:05 |
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| eglute_s | I talked to the PTL of telemetry, and as my notes indicate, there are a couple issues | 16:05 |
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| eglute_s | the major one is that they are deprecating Ceilometer API | 16:05 |
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| eglute_s | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105042.html | 16:06 |
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| Rockyg | yup. That's why it's interesting | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | eglute_s: has that been decided? I lost the thread yesterday in a barage of meetings and haven't caught up yet. | 16:06 |
| eglute_s | if there is no API for it, I don't think we can include it in defcore | 16:06 |
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| eglute_s | the PTL sounded pretty sure that it has been decided | 16:06 |
| eglute_s | but, reading the email, seems like it might be still up for discussion | 16:07 |
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| markvoelker | Ok. The basic idea there was that Ceilometer had basically been decomopsed into Aodh/Panko/Gnocchi. Those are currently not tc-approved-release. | 16:08 |
| Rockyg | they've been talking abour it for a while | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | Was the PTL aware that we can't consider projects that aren't tc-approved-release? Are they interested in getting the decomposed projects tagged? | 16:08 |
| eglute_s | i told him we cant consider it if there are no APIs | 16:09 |
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| eglute_s | he didnt seem to be interested in defcore, though he was very helpful | 16:09 |
| catherine_d|1 | Even with the new APIs ... we still need to wait for adoption and tests to mature? | 16:10 |
| shamail | My take was that it is still up for discussion after heat auto-scaling was brought up | 16:10 |
| eglute_s | additionally, ceilometer's tests are in tempest plugin | 16:10 |
| eglute_s | shamail i do hope it will be discussed more | 16:10 |
| Rockyg | I think they are more focused on getting everything lined up and in good shape without ceilometer | 16:10 |
| eglute_s | though at this point, since it's future is uncertain, i do not think we should push it forward with scoring | 16:11 |
| hogepodge | I'm not so worried about plugins, as we can work on moving tests over if they're good candidates. | 16:11 |
| catherine_d|1 | don't think it is a good candidate for interop if the project itself does not seem to be stable | 16:11 |
| Rockyg | good to wait until at least next cycle | 16:11 |
| eglute_s | catherine_d|1, Rockyg i agree | 16:11 |
| Rockyg | they are doing good and importannt work, but it's still midflight | 16:12 |
| markvoelker | eglute_s: Agreed, but I think we should start evaluating a future path. E.g. does it make sense to ask for tc-approved-release on some or all of the decomp projects, can tests for them be moved to tempest, etc. | 16:12 |
| eglute_s | hogepodge PTL was willing to work on moving the tests, so not too much of an issue | 16:12 |
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| markvoelker | The answer to all of those might be "no", but we should start that discussion sooner rather than later. =) | 16:12 |
| eglute_s | markvoelker i think we should wait for the projects to settle. right now there is too much change going on there in my opinion... | 16:13 |
| * markvoelker is also curious if heat autoscaling is going to eventually move to senlin, but that's another topic | 16:13 | |
| eglute_s | for the decomp projects, i think we need to wait to see how the adoption goes | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | Are Aodh/Gnocchi/Panko listed in the user survey this time around? | 16:14 |
| eglute_s | and what the deprecated API will be replaced with, if it is in fact, deprecated. | 16:14 |
| Rockyg | At last gnocchi and aodh are getting good adoption with other opnstack projcts | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | So, I think there's a couple of things here then. | 16:16 |
| Rockyg | yup. | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | First, let's see if we can talk to the user survey folks about making sure Aodh/Gnocchi/Panko get listed (so we can guage adoption down the line) | 16:17 |
| eglute_s | i am looking at the survey now and only see Ceilometer | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | Second, obviously let's follow the decision around the old Ceilometer API | 16:17 |
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| markvoelker | Third, once that decision has been reached we should think about future potential paths for Ceilometer. | 16:18 |
| Rockyg | anything on telemetry? | 16:19 |
| eglute_s | Rockyg no telemetry either. | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | E.g. it'd be a shame if they decide next week that Ceilometer goes away and Gnocchi/Aodh/Panko are the future, but nobody even starts work on porting tests or whatnot for six more months | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | Make sense? | 16:19 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 16:20 |
| eglute_s | markvoelker yes | 16:20 |
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| hogepodge | What would be nice is a telemetry api and all the projects could plug in to that. Would make our jobs easier. | 16:20 |
| eglute_s | hogepodge ++ | 16:20 |
| eglute_s | agree | 16:20 |
| markvoelker | Ok. So eglute_s would you be able to handle those AI's for the moment? | 16:20 |
| eglute_s | markvoelker yes, i don't think anything is immediate though | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | eglute_s: sure, mostly keeping abreast of things at the moment | 16:21 |
| eglute_s | i guess user survey is more immediate. i will send some emails :) | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | Sounds good. Thanks! | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | #action eglute_s to follow up with user survey folks about telemetry projects | 16:22 |
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| hogepodge | (speaking of user survey, newest data was just released) | 16:22 |
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| markvoelker | #action eglute_s will keep abreast of the Ceilometer API deprecation discussion | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | Ok, further discussion on Ceilometer? Or shall we move on? | 16:23 |
| eglute_s | hogepodge do you have a link? | 16:23 |
| eglute_s | move on! | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | shamail: around? | 16:24 |
| shamail_ | Here! | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | Anything to discuss on Cinder? | 16:24 |
| shamail_ | Not much yet, I got guidance from yourself and hodgepodge on how to start with scoring... I will be reviewing third party sources tonight. I have a meeting scheduled for Friday with the PTL | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | Ok, thanks | 16:25 |
| shamail_ | I think I bit off more than I can chew for the first time helping but I'll get through it :) | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | For those not aware, Cinder may be a little interesting too...they revved the CURRENT API from v2 to v3 in Mitaka. | 16:26 |
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| markvoelker | (functionally the same, but with microversions...but v3 was completely undocumented until a few weeks ago, so adoption possibly not great right now...) | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | Anything else on Cinder? | 16:27 |
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| shamail_ | Not at the moment | 16:27 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, next up: Glance | 16:27 |
| catherine_d|1 | markvoelker: the current Cinder tests in DefCore guideline is based on v2 right? | 16:28 |
| hogepodge | catherine_d|1: right | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | I've spoken with the PTL and should have a patch up today-ish. Got delayed last week by a ridiculous pile of pre-summit stuff that's piling up. | 16:28 |
| hogepodge | if it's just a microversion with guaranteed backwards compatibility, it may not be a problem | 16:28 |
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| markvoelker | Barring objections I'll probably also be submitting a governance patch to add glance_store as tc-approved-release | 16:28 |
| catherine_d|1 | I would imagine there will be a conf parameter to set v2 vs v3 just like Keystone in tempest.conf | 16:28 |
| markvoelker | And then consider adding the non-driver bits of it as designated sections | 16:29 |
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| Rockyg | same for cindr except for possible additions | 16:29 |
| * markvoelker switches back to Cinder for a moment since it seems I moved on too quickly | 16:29 | |
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| markvoelker | So, one thing to bear in mind with Cinder is that 2017.01 will include Liberty (in whcih v3 didn't exist) | 16:30 |
| catherine_d|1 | it tool us a cycle or two to drop v2 Keystone tests from the must-pass list .. I guess we will do the same for Cinder? | 16:30 |
| catherine_d|1 | tool --> took | 16:30 |
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| markvoelker | So basically we'll need to consider how that transition will work and when/if we switch guidelines to v3 | 16:31 |
| * catherine_d|1 API version change really does not help Interop | 16:31 | |
| * markvoelker sees he and catherine_d|1 are thinking along similar lines here | 16:31 | |
| Rockyg | yup. api revs are bears | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | Also worth noting: there's nothing that says both API's can't be required in the same Guideline, so it's not like there has to be an either/or. v2 is not DEPRECATED, it's SUPPORTED | 16:32 |
| Rockyg | exactly | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | But I'll leave it to our Cinder point folks (hi shamail_ !) to come up with proposals to discuss. | 16:33 |
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| Rockyg | I'm not sur we've even managd the nova tests for that all that wll. | 16:33 |
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| markvoelker | OK, anything else on Cinder? | 16:34 |
| Rockyg | We've just let th nova team gnerate the tests as they see fit | 16:34 |
| * markvoelker pauses a little longer this time | 16:34 | |
| hogepodge | it appears that v3 will be backwards compatible with v2 because microversions | 16:34 |
| hogepodge | (confirmed with cinder devs) | 16:34 |
| shamail_ | I'll confirm when I meet | 16:34 |
| shamail_ | Ah ok | 16:34 |
| hogepodge | so this should not be a major issue for us. v3 should just work with interop tests | 16:34 |
| catherine_d|1 | hogepodge: that is good news .. | 16:34 |
| hogepodge | (that's assuming the host api supports an early enough microversion, but that's the case with all microversion apis) | 16:35 |
| markvoelker | Move on? | 16:36 |
| hogepodge | yes | 16:36 |
| Rockyg | yeah | 16:36 |
| markvoelker | Ok, back to Glance: see above. Any questions there? | 16:37 |
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| eglute_s | looks good to me | 16:38 |
| markvoelker | Hearing none, let's move on to Heat. | 16:38 |
| markvoelker | catherine_d|1: what's the word? =) | 16:38 |
| catherine_d|1 | I added a summit session request to the Heat team after contact the PTL | 16:38 |
| markvoelker | Sounds like we're mostly in the same boat as last time where we don't have good tests in Tempest? | 16:38 |
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| catherine_d|1 | yes | 16:39 |
| catherine_d|1 | basically need the Heat team to put priority to move the tests to Tempest | 16:39 |
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| catherine_d|1 | that all for Heat .. | 16:41 |
| markvoelker | Ok. We may also want to discuss/think through whether the API alone is all we want to define capabilities for down the road. | 16:41 |
| catherine_d|1 | Heat summit eitherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-heat-sessions | 16:41 |
| markvoelker | Heat's a little different than some projects in that we might want to define capabilities that test support for various resources in templates, for example. | 16:41 |
| hogepodge | heat is kind of a funny case because the api doesn't do a whole lot, most of the action is in the templates with is heavily deployment dependent. | 16:41 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: exactly. | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | I'll defer to catherine_d|1 on figuring out a proposal around how to deal with that though, since she's playing point and I have way too much on my hands as it is. =) | 16:43 |
| catherine_d|1 | resources may not be capabilities that should be scope for interop ... but those ae discussion we can bring up | 16:43 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, anything else on Heat? | 16:43 |
| hogepodge | it's the case for scenario testing | 16:43 |
| hogepodge | nothing more from me | 16:44 |
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| catherine_d|1 | that is it from me | 16:44 |
| markvoelker | Ok, moving on then | 16:44 |
| markvoelker | Next up is Keystone | 16:44 |
| markvoelker | Last week hogepodge asked for some help here, and I've sent an email to the PTL and started (barely) digging in to look for capabilities | 16:44 |
| markvoelker | Not a lot to report here this week I guess, unless hogepodge has any updates | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | Any questions/comments on Keystone? | 16:45 |
| hogepodge | I don't, I can begin to look again next week. My backlog and lingering illness has buried me for the short term | 16:46 |
| * markvoelker hopes hogepodge feels better soon and will continue to work on this too | 16:46 | |
| markvoelker | Ok, time's short...let's move on to nova | 16:46 |
| markvoelker | shamail_: that's you again | 16:46 |
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| markvoelker | or shamail: whichever of you is actually Shamail today. =) | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | Looks like you're meeting with the PTL tomorrow? | 16:47 |
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| shamail_ | Hi, Nova is same status as Cinder. I have a meeting scheduled with the PTL tomorrow. | 16:48 |
| markvoelker | Ok, thanks. Anything else? | 16:48 |
| shamail_ | I am going to be looking at sources tonight | 16:48 |
| shamail_ | Yes, that's the plan (and hopefully go in prepared) | 16:48 |
| markvoelker | Ok. If nothing further, let's move on to Neutron | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | which is me again | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | I spoke with the PTL and did some looking myself too. The TC approved adding neutron-lib to tc-approved-release | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | I have a scoring patch up here: | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381393/ Neutron scoring patch | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | There's one additional capability I'm still looking at that's a bit more recent | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | But the existing patch there is pretty simple. | 16:50 |
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| markvoelker | Have a look and feel free to start discussing anytime | 16:51 |
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| markvoelker | Questions/comments on Neutron right now? | 16:51 |
| shamail_ | Not at the moment | 16:51 |
| eglute_s | not right now... | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | Ok then, on to Swift. eglute_s: that's you! | 16:51 |
| eglute_s | markvoelker should we wait to review your patch on neutron? | 16:51 |
| notmyname | oh hai | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | eglute_s: nah, go ahead and start commenting. | 16:52 |
| eglute_s | notmyname did a lot of work on swift! | 16:52 |
| eglute_s | #link https://gist.github.com/notmyname/102e4aba7084598638f47cee47f62bb1 | 16:52 |
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| eglute_s | i have not had a chance to review it. | 16:52 |
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| eglute_s | once I do, i will start scoring | 16:52 |
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| eglute_s | i am sure i will need help with scoring | 16:52 |
| notmyname | please work with me as you go through that. I'm happy to help clarify my intent, etc | 16:53 |
| notmyname | there's some new things, yeah, but also som renames and better classifications for existing stuff | 16:53 |
| eglute_s | notmyname i will! and really appreciate your help | 16:53 |
| markvoelker | Cool. Sounds like you and notmyname are making good progress. | 16:53 |
| eglute_s | mostly notmyname yes, :) | 16:53 |
| markvoelker | When do you think we can expect to see a patch up? | 16:53 |
| eglute_s | hopefully by friday. I am swamped by some other things, so not sure how much time i will have today | 16:54 |
| notmyname | so, as an asside, something that the defcore team could produce that would be *super* helpful would be a script that lists current capabilites and tests (i wrote my own) and then correlates that with what's available in tempest (I did that part by hand) | 16:54 |
| markvoelker | Ok, I'll keep an eye out. Remember, first rev doesn't need to be perfect, just needs to be enough to kickstart discussion in gerrit | 16:54 |
| eglute_s | notmyname can you share the scripts with us? | 16:55 |
| markvoelker | I think catherined|2 did something like that a while back maybe? | 16:55 |
| catherine_d|1 | yea I did that a few cycle ago ... strictly by name ... not very accurate ... | 16:56 |
| notmyname | this is all I have https://gist.github.com/notmyname/586fab93aab607d36b2bc6861b638afb | 16:56 |
| eglute_s | thank you notmyname | 16:56 |
| notmyname | the .sh is run from inside a tempest directory | 16:56 |
| markvoelker | Ok gang, down to the last couple of minutes unfortunately | 16:57 |
| notmyname | gives every test name found, what file it's in, and its idempotent id | 16:57 |
| eglute_s | notmyname that looks good! | 16:57 |
| notmyname | then I used some nice features of sublime text to clean it up | 16:57 |
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| notmyname | thus resulting in the original gist i sent you (or that's what i used to do the capabilities correlation) | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | Certainly worth looking over for folks who are still test hunting | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | Two quick notes before we have to close for today | 16:58 |
| hogepodge | notmyname: I write that script all the time :-D | 16:58 |
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| markvoelker | #topic Summit Planing | 16:58 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreBarcelona Summit Planning pad | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | If you have any other topics, get them on that pad today. We'll start hammering out the agenda shortly. | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | And lastly | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | #topic RefStack Updates | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RefStack Updates (Meeting topic: defcore)" | 16:59 | |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/refstack-ocata-summit RefStack Planning pad | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | Please take note of the RefStack pad and add topics if necessary | 17:00 |
| markvoelker | And with that, we're all out of time | 17:00 |
| markvoelker | Over to #openstack-defcore | 17:00 |
| markvoelker | Thanks! | 17:00 |
| markvoelker | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| eglute_s | thanks! | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 5 17:00:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-10-05-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-10-05-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/defcore/2016/defcore.2016-10-05-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| catherine_d|1 | could we discuss about the second item on #openstack-defcore? | 17:00 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | #startmeeting horizon | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 5 20:01:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is r1chardj0n3s. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:01 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 20:01 |
| r1chardj0n3s | Hello all | 20:01 |
| tsufiev | o/ | 20:01 |
| david-lyle | stop shoving | 20:02 |
| r1chardj0n3s | Well, I'd like to thank Dave and Timur for coming :-) | 20:02 |
| r1chardj0n3s | #topic Notices | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Notices (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:02 | |
| rdopiera | hi | 20:02 |
| qwebirc41501 | hello | 20:02 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-ocata-summit now has a schedule | 20:02 |
| tsufiev | :))) | 20:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I've grouped things into sessions that seem to make sense. Feedback is welcome, of course. And ordering can change, though I'd like to keep it stable within reasonable time before the summit. | 20:03 |
| r1chardj0n3s | Hmm, I should note the times of each of the sessions on that pad too. | 20:04 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | #action r1chardj0n3s to add time, location and session-specific etherpad links to the summit overview etherpad page | 20:05 |
| r1chardj0n3s | (let's see if I got that right ;-) | 20:05 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ok... next thing I have is Project Teams Gathering | 20:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg is intended to replace mid-cycles - are we going to participate? | 20:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I need to know whether Horizon folks are happy to do that thing rather than have an independent mid-cycle | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | I think we should try it | 20:07 |
| tsufiev | seems like a proper thing to do | 20:07 |
| rdopiera | can we skip the summits then? | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | rdopiera, for most, that's the idea | 20:08 |
| * tsufiev thinking is if Atlanta a 'cost-effective transportation hub' | 20:08 | |
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| david-lyle | rdopiera, this summit is still design related, but starting with Boston, it will not have the design component | 20:09 |
| rdopiera | david-lyle: I know that's the plan, but I'm a bit afraid that we will start going to both | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | so devs should go if they want to talk to users/customers/other devs who have come to talk to users/customers | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | rdopiera, we already go to both | 20:10 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I concur with y'all - let's see how the PTG goes. I'll feed that back to the Foundation. | 20:10 |
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| rdopiera | david-lyle: I thought ptg is a new thing | 20:10 |
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| david-lyle | but this is an attempt to reduce the need for most to go to both | 20:11 |
| rdopiera | makes sense | 20:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how it goes. | 20:12 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | They're reducing our face-to-face time for planning and discussion to once per cycle. We'll have to come up with alternative methods of planning to fill that void, and I'm not sure what that'll look like. | 20:13 |
| r1chardj0n3s | OK, so the only other thing I have is to mention that RC3 is out and we’re looking to get 10.0.0 released this week from it. | 20:14 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, how is that different from what was before? IIRC, midcycle meetups were not organized by foundation... | 20:14 |
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| david-lyle | 10.0.1 right? | 20:14 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: no, 10.0.0 unless I'm horribly confused... 10.0.0 hasn't been released | 20:15 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | the patch for newton final is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380478/ | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev, the midcycle weren't official, but a large number projects were using them | 20:15 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: yes, we'll have to see how many projects end up having a "planning" meetup independently | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s, I'm jumping the gun | 20:16 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, I mean, the foundation isn't going to forbid us to hold midcycles, are they :)? | 20:16 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: More that nobody will get approval to travel 6 times a year :) | 20:16 |
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| robcresswell | (also hi, sorry for lateness) | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev, no, there are a few reasons for the reorg | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | allowing key devs to actually use the summit to interface with people other than devs | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | reduce the overall travel burden on most devs | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | We can also use the forum for mid-cycle style meetups. Thats even in the Forum description. | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | better align releases and downstream consumers around summits | 20:17 |
| r1chardj0n3s | the mid-cycle timing we used to have lines up with when the summit will run, so that's going to be difficult for some to manage | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | As key people will all be there anyway. | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | Just read scrollback, I'm a +1 for PTG too. | 20:19 |
| r1chardj0n3s | thanks robcresswell | 20:19 |
| tsufiev | well, the future is going to come despite all our concerns, I think... | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev, what are the concerns? | 20:20 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I look forward to mid-cycling with y'all in Boston :-) | 20:20 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, that there might be not enough time for our interaction - as r1chardj0n3s mentioned | 20:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | we've still not been told the exact format of the summit-located mid-cycles (I recall some folks indicating that they would be held "away" from the summit to reduce cost) | 20:22 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, we can chat at the summit anyway. Its not banned, just wont be dedicated rooms for it. But the cores/ptls will hopefully be around, which is what the midcycles most consist of anyway. | 20:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | we'll just have to see | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | I think PTG will the primary meeting for devs | 20:22 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: yup | 20:22 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so the last thing I wanted to talk about was the low attendance at these meetings | 20:24 |
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| ediardo | o/ | 20:24 |
| rdopiera | I have to admit that I often forget about them :( | 20:24 |
| tsufiev | ediardo, that was a proper timing ;) ^^ | 20:24 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm going to send out a reminder email to the dev list | 20:24 |
| r1chardj0n3s | #action r1chardj0n3s to email openstack-dev reminding folks about the weekly IRC meeting | 20:24 |
| r1chardj0n3s | we'll see if that has any impact | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: You could try a courtesy reminder type thing like searchlight and others do | 20:26 |
| ediardo | rdopiera ;) | 20:26 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I think the timing of the meeting will mean that the large number of contributors we have in China won't be making it along (it's very much in the AM there) | 20:26 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, maybe the main reason is that people don't know what to expect from these meetings? I mean, if before people were coming to a meeting to push their feature, now they generally don't do it (maybe that just didn't work for them and they stopped trying) | 20:26 |
| rdopiera | I wonder if we could make the bot announce the meeting on the #openstack-horizon channel | 20:26 |
| rdopiera | when it's starting | 20:26 |
| * david-lyle recalls an APAC friendly time that was even less attended | 20:26 | |
| robcresswell | Something like this, to remind people: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda( about line 6) | 20:26 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: I'm not familiar with the searchlight timing thing? | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | ugh, misplaced '(' might break that link | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: that's a good point | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s, same as TC meeting start | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | just a list of nics copied into room | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | david-lyle: yep, the APAC meeting time was a dud indeed | 20:27 |
| ediardo | Let's do an iOS app that reminds us wehave a meeting to attend | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | searchlight does in their team room too | 20:28 |
| ediardo | connected to keystone | 20:28 |
| tsufiev | o_O | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | tsufiev: Right, the old blueprint system and asking for approval in meetings seems to have died | 20:28 |
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| ediardo | k jk | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | one sec just moving, internet might fall over | 20:28 |
| david-lyle | TIL robcresswell routes the entire internet | 20:29 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: ok, I'll see about finding out how that meeting reminder thing works | 20:29 |
| ediardo | lol | 20:29 |
| tsufiev | then, dropping the integrated/incubated statuses (and a requirement to have a Horizon dashboard in a Horizon repo to be an integrated project) has certainly contributed to the downfall of interest to Horizon meetings | 20:30 |
| * tsufiev thinks about Sahara | 20:30 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | (though to be honest, I have a calendar on my desktop and the meeting is in it and I get reminders, it's not difficult...) | 20:30 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev, I think there larger influences on that decreased interest | 20:30 |
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| robcresswell | david-lyle: Looks like the internet survived without me | 20:31 |
| r1chardj0n3s | http://www.thewebsiteofdoom.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/internet.jpg | 20:32 |
| tsufiev | david-lyle, like the containers thing :)? | 20:32 |
| david-lyle | tsufiev, I'm happy to have a larger discussion, but not sure out meeting time is the best place to cover openstack macrotrends | 20:33 |
| tsufiev | sure, not going to continue with off-topic discussion right now | 20:34 |
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| david-lyle | I guess the point is, smaller meetings may become the norm | 20:34 |
| robcresswell | We generally just use the meeting for announcements now | 20:34 |
| robcresswell | Previously it was for bug/bp discussion | 20:35 |
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| robcresswell | I think if we used bp approval then it might get more attention, but thats somewhat ignored now. People just throw up features and ping for reviews :) | 20:35 |
| david-lyle | the volume into the funnel has fallen | 20:36 |
| david-lyle | we've solved it | 20:36 |
| r1chardj0n3s | we're also in the end-of-cycle dead spot at the moment where we're kind of on pause getting the release out and before the summit when priorities are agreed to | 20:37 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so these few weeks are a bit weird anyway | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | Yeah its normally quiet while people prep Ocata features and demos | 20:38 |
| r1chardj0n3s | so they can surprise us with theirthrowing up features and pinging for reviews, yes :-) | 20:39 |
| * tsufiev grabs the microphone and promotes the Profiler commits :D | 20:39 | |
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| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: yes! um, I had questions about that, which I forgot (because vacation) | 20:39 |
| r1chardj0n3s | tsufiev: I'm a little hazy on the actual setup of the profiler - do I need to be running a MongoDB or something somewhere to make it work? | 20:40 |
| tsufiev | unfortunately, yes | 20:40 |
| tsufiev | otherwise you'll have to face the Ceilometer poor performance | 20:40 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it might be helpful to have some (hopefully simple) setup instructions for devs to follow to get that right | 20:41 |
| tsufiev | osprofiler team might fix the ceilometer drivers in some distant future... but I won't bet a large sum on that | 20:41 |
| robcresswell | We need to axe that panel | 20:41 |
| robcresswell | Should've done it last cycle | 20:41 |
| tsufiev | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/horizon+branch:master+topic:bp/openstack-profiler-at-developer-dashboard | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | (the ceilometer panel I mean) | 20:42 |
| tsufiev | instructions are in the second patch, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303514/ | 20:42 |
| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, ^^ | 20:42 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | OK, so the issue then becomes how to test the first patch | 20:43 |
| tsufiev | we even made some preparations for profiling API calls made from Angular pages | 20:43 |
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| tsufiev | r1chardj0n3s, I may merge them if that makes things easier | 20:44 |
| tsufiev | 1st + 2nd | 20:44 |
| tsufiev | always a tradeoff between the ease of reviewing vs. providing a fully demoable feature | 20:45 |
| * tsufiev puts back the microphone | 20:46 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | absolutely, but I think it makes sense to be able to exercise the code before merging it, and we can't sensibly exercise the code in the 1st patch I think | 20:46 |
| tsufiev | yep, that's true | 20:46 |
| robcresswell | On the summit etherpad, are we starting with priorities? | 20:47 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: that's the ordering at the moment, but it doesn't really make sense so that session will probably be the fourth. | 20:47 |
| r1chardj0n3s | Well, the priorities bit | 20:47 |
| robcresswell | cool | 20:47 |
| robcresswell | Wait who +1'd rotten fruit | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | ;) | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | I should've known... | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | you should have | 20:48 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ok, I think this meeting may have run its course. thanks all for coming! | 20:48 |
| robcresswell | oh | 20:49 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 20:49 |
| r1chardj0n3s | #endmeeting | 20:49 |
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