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| huanxuan | o/ | 13:02 |
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| huanxuan | dtroyer: I just have two questions about UX learning, I want to make sure something | 13:12 |
| dtroyer | #startmeeting openstackclient | 13:14 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 3 13:14:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:14 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:14 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 13:14 |
| dtroyer | apologies for the delay... | 13:14 |
| dtroyer | huanxuan: what are your questions? | 13:14 |
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| huanxuan | I have a question about multi positional parameters, when will we allow multi positional parameters for one command? I sometimes see there are some commands have multi positional parameters. I am a little confused | 13:15 |
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| dtroyer | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/python-openstackclient/commands.html#command-object-s-and-action | 13:16 |
| dtroyer | that is the doc descrbing commands that have two resources (or objects) | 13:17 |
| dtroyer | positional arguments are always resources | 13:17 |
| dtroyer | it is commands like add and remove that have two resources: group add user <groupname> <username> | 13:18 |
| huanxuan | dtroyer: oh! I think I get it now! | 13:18 |
| huanxuan | so, about this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378058/ | 13:19 |
| huanxuan | the create command | 13:19 |
| huanxuan | "remote_ip_prefix" should be a optional parameter, right? | 13:20 |
| dtroyer | yes, apparently it is required, so a 'required option', as funny as that sounds | 13:21 |
| huanxuan | ok, get it, thank you | 13:22 |
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| dtroyer | wow, 'meter label rule' is an awkward name | 13:22 |
| huanxuan | yea, seems like it | 13:23 |
| dtroyer | also, thats an extension… I thought extensions went into the plugin… I'll follow up with rtheis on that, my memory may be faulty | 13:23 |
| dtroyer | anything else? it seem to be just us so far... | 13:23 |
| huanxuan | ok, I will wait for rtheis suggestions | 13:24 |
| huanxuan | yes another one | 13:24 |
| sindhu | dtroyer: Hi, I am not sure if this is the correct forum/venue to ask this, but can you pls explain a lil abt the importance of SDK refactor? | 13:24 |
| dtroyer | don't wait on him, I'm not sure how much more of his time we have | 13:24 |
| rtheis | dtroyer: neutron extension for meter label rule? | 13:25 |
| dtroyer | rtheis: yes, I recall that extensions were going to go into the neutronclient plugins, is my memory bad? | 13:25 |
| rtheis | plan is neutron advanced services and features would be OSC plugins | 13:25 |
| rtheis | extensions that are considered core features would be in OSC | 13:26 |
| dtroyer | ok, thanks. | 13:26 |
| rtheis | since nearly everything in neutron is an extension :( | 13:26 |
| dtroyer | "core extension" is almost as funny as "required option" :) | 13:26 |
| dtroyer | ah, ok | 13:26 |
| rtheis | right | 13:26 |
| dtroyer | thanks | 13:26 |
| rtheis | yw | 13:26 |
| dtroyer | sindhu: re SDK refactor: we have time, can discuss here. #openstack-sdks would be the usual place though | 13:27 |
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| rtheis | huanxuan: you can reach out to amotoki or armax if you'd like to double-check | 13:27 |
| dtroyer | sindhu: are you referring specifically to the network refactor stuff? | 13:27 |
| sindhu | dtroyer: yes | 13:28 |
| huanxuan | rtheis: ok, thanks | 13:28 |
| huanxuan | my another question is what the main problem of volume transfer commands, I did some work for those commands, so, I am willing to rework them if it is necessary | 13:29 |
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| dtroyer | huanxuan: it is my opinion that users will think of a volume transfer as a status condition of a volume, not a top-level resource. it describes something about a volume | 13:31 |
| mattt | n/close | 13:31 |
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| dtroyer | so exposing it that way will make more sense than treating it like a thing | 13:31 |
| dtroyer | users don't care how a thing is implemented int he database | 13:31 |
| huanxuan | dtroyer: yes, sounds reasonable. | 13:32 |
| huanxuan | so, what can we do to rework it, do you have some suggestions? | 13:33 |
| dtroyer | for example, rather than 'create' we should use volume set —transfer | 13:34 |
| dtroyer | and volume list —transfer to list volumes in that state, etc | 13:35 |
| huanxuan | oh, I see, it sounds good | 13:35 |
| dtroyer | sindhu: did you have something specific about the refactor? | 13:36 |
| sindhu | dtroyer: just wanted to know the purpose of doing it :) | 13:37 |
| dtroyer | it is because of changes that briancurtin is making to the SDK. Since we started using the SDK before the 1.0 release for Network, we have to adapt to those changes and be able to work with both API styles | 13:38 |
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| dtroyer | it is exactly why we are not using the SDK for anything else until 1.0 release | 13:38 |
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| sindhu | dtroyer: you mean for compute and volume? | 13:39 |
| dtroyer | yes, and the others too | 13:39 |
| sindhu | dtroyer: Ok, cool. thanks! | 13:40 |
| sindhu | dtroyer: will look into the changes being made :) | 13:40 |
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| dtroyer | anything else anyone? | 13:42 |
| huanxuan | dtroyer: about the transfer rework, If needed, I will try to do it, I will going to report a bug or blueprint for it, you can check the report first to see if it make sense or not | 13:42 |
| dtroyer | I'm still in summit-recovery so not much here | 13:42 |
| dtroyer | huanxuan: ok, sounds good. I do think there will be one thing we have to deal with that doesn't fit well, that is cleaning up old, unused transfers in the database. I don't have that sorted out yet, maybe you will have a good idea! | 13:43 |
| huanxuan | I will try it :) | 13:43 |
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| dtroyer | if nothing else, we'll end early… | 13:45 |
| dtroyer | thanks everyone! | 13:45 |
| huanxuan | thanks ! | 13:45 |
| sindhu | thanks! | 13:45 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 13:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 3 13:45:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-11-03-13.14.html | 13:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-11-03-13.14.txt | 13:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-11-03-13.14.log.html | 13:45 |
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| egafford | Hi people hoping to attend the openstack-sahara meeting! We're not meeting this week (as is our custom the week immediately after Summit.) Please feel free to drop by #openstack-sahara to say hello and ask any questions you'd like, though. Thanks. | 14:01 |
| elmiko | thanks egafford! | 14:02 |
| egafford | Anything for you elmiko. | 14:02 |
| elmiko | lol | 14:02 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 3 15:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | anybody here for the L3 meeting? | 15:01 |
| pc_m | o/ | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | hey | 15:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:01 |
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| john-davidge | Is it now or 1 hour from now? | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: it is now | 15:02 |
| * john-davidge is confused about UK time zone chnages | 15:02 | |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:02 | |
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| mlavalle | Ocata-1 milestone is approaching soon, November 14-18 | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | Also this coming Sunday at 2am we fall back to standard time in the USA | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | so this meeting will start 1 hour earlier for thos of you in the US | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: did the UK fall back to standard time already? | 15:06 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Yes, on Sunday | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: that is why it is one houer earlier for you :-) | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | Any other announcements from the team? | 15:07 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Yeah, my outlook reminder was set in local time instead of UTC, so it didnt update | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:08 | |
| mlavalle | First up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1540983 | 15:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1540983 in OpenStack-Gate "Gate failures for neutron in test_dualnet_multi_prefix_slaac" [Undecided,Expired] | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | This one is assigned to Oleg. I don't see any recent updates. | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | Any comments from the team? | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | ok, I will follow up with Oleg | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1556991 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1556991 in neutron "Isolated metadata will not work if ipv6 subnet is created first" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Hong Hui Xiao (xiaohhui) | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | This one has a fix proposed by Hong Hui Xiao. Carl reviewed it before the summit and made some comments | 15:11 |
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| mlavalle | I reviewed it again after the comments were addressed by the submitter | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | I think is is good to go | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | We need some core reviewers to take another look. Maybe haleyb and / or pc_m could help ? | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | here's the fix: | 15:13 |
| haleyb | yes, i'll look again | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293237/ | 15:13 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: and regarding bug 1540983 - the tempest change merged, so that test is not skipped any more | 15:14 |
| openstack | bug 1540983 in OpenStack-Gate "Gate failures for neutron in test_dualnet_multi_prefix_slaac" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540983 | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | thanks haleyb! | 15:14 |
| * haleyb was distracted | 15:14 | |
| pc_m | Will look | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: yeah, that is also related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1609540 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1609540 in neutron "Deleting csnat port fails due to no fixed ips" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | I will be following up this one over the next few days to see if I see it happening | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | Next I have 2 assigned to john-davidge: | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1570122 | 15:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1570122 in neutron "ipv6 prefix delegated subnets are not accessable external of the router they are attached." [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | any comments about this one? | 15:17 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: That one I've been investigating this week, two possible approaches I think. One is to make a special expception for PD subnets, the other is to automatically create a PD address socpe and make use of the existing mechanism. | 15:17 |
| john-davidge | I'm leaning towards the second option, but I'm open to other opinions | 15:18 |
| john-davidge | I'll comment on the bug to facilitate discussion | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | perfect. Thanks! | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | The other one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1636963 | 15:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1636963 in neutron "Service Subnets - DHCP port creation fails" [High,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | I see you got some suggestions from armax | 15:20 |
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| john-davidge | This one is a much simpler fix, and has a patch already - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392183/ | 15:20 |
| john-davidge | However it's opened up a discussion about the original motivations of the feature. Could be a can of worms... | 15:21 |
| haleyb | yes, it could be | 15:21 |
| john-davidge | reviews are appreciated | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: meaning chime in in the comments already leaft in the review? | 15:22 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Yes, either to agree with an existing proposal or offer a new one | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | ok, will take a look | 15:23 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Thanks. Both solutions being discussed have their pros and cons | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610483 | 15:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach) | 15:24 |
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| mlavalle | It has a fix proposed: | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390594/ | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | Please take a look | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | For the next two bugs we need owners | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | First is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1509004 | 15:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1509004 in neutron ""test_dualnet_dhcp6_stateless_from_os" failures seen in the gate" [High,Confirmed] | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | and the other one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627424 | 15:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627424 in neutron "FlushError on IPAllocation" [High,Confirmed] | 15:31 |
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| mlavalle | Any other bugs form the team? | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:34 |
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| mlavalle | Any topics from the team? | 15:34 |
| haleyb | it's a quiet group today i guess | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | ok | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for attending | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 3 15:36:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Thanks! o/ | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-11-03-15.00.html | 15:36 |
| pc_m | bye | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-11-03-15.00.txt | 15:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-11-03-15.00.log.html | 15:36 |
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| cdent | #startmeeting api-wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 3 16:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| etoews | o/ | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 16:00 |
| cdent | hmmm | 16:01 |
| elmiko | hi | 16:01 |
| gouthamr | i missed the meeting in the summit due to a conflict :/ | 16:01 |
| etoews | not seeing the usual meetbot notices | 16:01 |
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| cdent | #chair etoews elmiko | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent elmiko etoews | 16:01 |
| cdent | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:02 |
| elmiko | meetbot is slow today ;) | 16:02 |
| elmiko | fyi, i'm gonna miss the next 3 meeting. i'm at 2xconferences then vacation | 16:02 |
| cdent | no meeting last week, no action items from the meeting the week prior | 16:02 |
| * cdent wags finger at elmiko | 16:03 | |
| elmiko | lol | 16:03 |
| cdent | #topic open mic | 16:03 |
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| cdent | summit report: we had a bof and it was good | 16:03 |
| cdent | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-ocata-bof | 16:03 |
| cdent | not a lot of active input but was good to see interested people. There were somewhere between 10 and 15 people there. Probably would have been more but we were in a hard to find spot (again) | 16:04 |
| elmiko | nice turnout, bummer about the space issue | 16:04 |
| cdent | Many of the attendees were there out of curiosity, not with any active desire to write guidelines. More of a "what does this group do" kind of thing. So I, with a good bit of help from edleafe, told them. | 16:05 |
| elmiko | sweet | 16:05 |
| cdent | The main point I made was pointing out how nearly all the words in the api-wg mission statement are subject to (mis)interpretation | 16:05 |
| elmiko | i'm curious about the pushback you mentioned from the arch-wg | 16:05 |
| etoews | ya. that seems strange to me too | 16:06 |
| cdent | you mean the people responding negtaively to the arch-wg? | 16:06 |
| cdent | it's the same thing as ever: People not wanting to be told what to do and thinking that such groups want to do that. the api-wg had similar reactions early on | 16:07 |
| cdent | the cross-project-goals stuff that is in flight had a similar reaction | 16:08 |
| cdent | lots of trust issues | 16:08 |
| cdent | the other thing to draw attention to from summit are the raw results from the api feedback gathering that piet did, I made an html version: | 16:09 |
| cdent | #link https://burningchrome.com/api-feedback.html | 16:09 |
| elmiko | huh, oh well, guess we need more messaging! | 16:10 |
| etoews | or the arch-wg needs more messaging? | 16:10 |
| cdent | I think people are happy with the api-wg these days, they just haven't learned the lesson we've set: we're there to help, advise, provide guidance, not enforce | 16:10 |
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| cdent | but people haven't got that message on arch-wg | 16:10 |
| elmiko | hehe, i guess i meant us, but i can see how that could be interpretted either way ;) | 16:11 |
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| elmiko | i thought our messaging was really clear though, maybe it was just an awareness issue with the arch-wg | 16:11 |
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| elmiko | cdent: did things turn out ok in the ned? | 16:11 |
| elmiko | s/ned/end/ | 16:11 |
| cdent | well for the api-wg side of things, yes: We were held up as an example of how to do things and a paragon of success and value | 16:12 |
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| cdent | to which I said something like "great, please come help us do more" | 16:12 |
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| elmiko | haha, nice! | 16:13 |
| cdent | but for the arch-wg things are still up in the air, let me find a link | 16:13 |
| cdent | #link http://fewbar.com/2016/10/openstack-architecture-wg-because-we-all-arent-gaudi/ | 16:13 |
| elmiko | cool, thanks! | 16:14 |
| cdent | on the api-feedback thing above, two of the most visible things to me were: | 16:14 |
| cdent | people want more info in error messages | 16:14 |
| cdent | people are curious about the porcelain idea | 16:15 |
| elmiko | what is the porcelain idea? | 16:15 |
| cdent | instead of ameliorating the bad UI of the existing http APIs at the client level (a la openstackclient) do it with an overarching API | 16:16 |
| elmiko | ah, cool | 16:16 |
| cdent | which would effectively mean you could say "get me a thing" instead of: get me a network port, get me some disk, get me a vm | 16:16 |
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| etoews | still lipstick on a pig but at a lower layer | 16:16 |
| elmiko | interesting | 16:17 |
| cdent | every problem can be solved by adding another layer of indirection | 16:17 |
| elmiko | also, this arch-wg blog post sounds very ambitious. good luck to them! | 16:17 |
| cdent | the idea here is that the layer is at a place where anyone can benefit, not just people using a particular client | 16:17 |
| etoews | +1 layer of indirection | 16:17 |
| elmiko | right | 16:17 |
| elmiko | would there then be a porcelain client(s)? | 16:17 |
| etoews | out of curiosity, where did that idea come from? | 16:18 |
| cdent | I put the question on the api feedback etherpad, just to go fishing | 16:18 |
| cdent | but the idea of having such an api has been bounced around by lots of different people, independently | 16:18 |
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| cdent | I suspect its earliest incarnation was when bits started being spun off from nova | 16:19 |
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| cdent | and the proxy apis in there started to exist, and then people realized that was icky | 16:19 |
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| cdent | but also that the UX of using multiple apis was icky too | 16:20 |
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| cdent | at the beginning of the year jaypipes, alaski, tdurakov and I worked on version of the concept: | 16:21 |
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| cdent | #link https://github.com/jaypipes/enamel | 16:21 |
| cdent | but like most things it got lost to the real world | 16:21 |
| cdent | as I understand things, lots people, including harlowja, have made various attempts at different times | 16:21 |
| elmiko | seems like a good windmill to tilt at | 16:22 |
| etoews | shall we attempt to resolve the question "should we put API porcelain in our domain?" so it can finally be removed from the agenda? | 16:23 |
| cdent | It's not something I would think anything could happen with in the immediate future, just something to keep in mind | 16:23 |
| cdent | that was almost a jinx | 16:23 |
| cdent | but yeah, I think we can probably take that off the agenda | 16:24 |
| etoews | if it gets some legs we could consider it then | 16:24 |
| cdent | as long as the concept stays in our brains | 16:24 |
| * cdent nods | 16:24 | |
| elmiko | seems like it would _not_ be in our domain, unless we had some sort of project team | 16:24 |
| elmiko | i would expect api-wg members to be involved, but leading the effort, not so sure | 16:24 |
| cdent | not the building of, sure | 16:25 |
| elmiko | that's what i meant | 16:25 |
| etoews | agreed | 16:25 |
| cdent | cool. anybody got more to say on the feedback doc or anything else, or shall we move on? | 16:25 |
| cdent | #topic guidelines | 16:26 |
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| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:26 |
| cdent | new stuff! | 16:26 |
| elmiko | thanks for the updates cdent ! | 16:27 |
| etoews | ++ | 16:27 |
| cdent | when https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386614/ was frozen did it the cpls get invited in? | 16:27 |
| elmiko | i did not invite them, my bad | 16:28 |
| cdent | ah, okay, I was kind of assuming that that one would stir some negative responses | 16:28 |
| elmiko | it did get mentioned in the newsletter, but that was right before summit | 16:28 |
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| cdent | the pagination guideline is going to need more active work, with an eye to its predecessors: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390973/ | 16:30 |
| elmiko | looks like it | 16:31 |
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| etoews | elmiko: looks CPL pestering was missed on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383862/ too | 16:31 |
| elmiko | yeah, i totally flubbed it on the cpl pestering | 16:32 |
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| etoews | elmiko: are you running it now or should i? | 16:33 |
| elmiko | do we have a script for adding those folks? | 16:33 |
| elmiko | 383862 has a new push, so feel free | 16:33 |
| elmiko | i can remove my +2 on the other one as well if you want to take over? | 16:34 |
| etoews | elmiko: it's api-wg/tools/add-reviewers.py | 16:35 |
| elmiko | ack, thanks! | 16:35 |
| etoews | elmiko: you said you're missing the next few weeks right? | 16:36 |
| elmiko | yes | 16:36 |
| etoews | i'll take over those frozen ones and begin pestering | 16:36 |
| elmiko | thanks =) | 16:36 |
| * cdent has started filling in the newsletter | 16:38 | |
| cdent | Are we ready to move on to the next topic? | 16:38 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:39 |
| cdent | #topic bug review | 16:39 |
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| cdent | etoews made a new bug and yeah, who knows: | 16:39 |
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| cdent | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg/+bug/1636641 | 16:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1636641 in openstack-api-wg "What are the valid microversion statuses?" [Undecided,New] | 16:40 |
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| elmiko | that seems like a worthy bug | 16:40 |
| etoews | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 16:40 |
| elmiko | lol | 16:40 |
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| etoews | cdent: i'm going ahead and freezing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392156/ | 16:43 |
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| etoews | i froze https://review.openstack.org/386614 https://review.openstack.org/392156 https://review.openstack.org/383862 | 16:45 |
| elmiko | thanks etoews | 16:45 |
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| cdent | lame | 16:48 |
| cdent | internet took a dive | 16:48 |
| elmiko | =( | 16:48 |
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| cdent | etoews: are you considering https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392156/ effectively a typo | 16:49 |
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| cdent | and thus okay with early freeze? | 16:49 |
| etoews | yep. that was my thought process. | 16:49 |
| etoews | get out of my brain cdent! | 16:49 |
| * cdent IS EVERYWHERE | 16:50 | |
| elmiko | lol | 16:50 |
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| cdent | back to CURRENT momentarily: where should we go for the answer to that? | 16:51 |
| etoews | erm...what? | 16:51 |
| elmiko | not sure on that one, i guess look at the most advanced microvers. stuff and see what they implemented? | 16:52 |
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| cdent | etoews: clearly i'm not in your mind etoews, otherwise I would have communicated that more clearly | 16:53 |
| etoews | oh. we're back on microversion statuses. | 16:53 |
| etoews | maybe there's a hint on http://developer.openstack.org/api-guide/quick-start/index.html | 16:54 |
| etoews | Current API versions | 16:54 |
| etoews | Supported API versions | 16:54 |
| etoews | Deprecated API versions | 16:54 |
| elmiko | nice | 16:54 |
| elmiko | i love an easy answer | 16:54 |
| etoews | i commented on the bug | 16:55 |
| cdent | seems reasonable. another interesting thing from the api-feedback thing was that many people don't think about microversions much | 16:55 |
| cdent | of course the group was probably biased in some fashion, they were self selected | 16:55 |
| elmiko | i have to say that sahara is going to drop plans for implementing microversions in the v2 api | 16:56 |
| elmiko | it's just too much overhead for not enough value | 16:56 |
| cdent | \o/ | 16:56 |
| cdent | if you change your mind, the way I've implemented it in the placement api is pretty simple | 16:57 |
| cdent | so that might be a good reference | 16:57 |
| elmiko | ack, i'll bring it up with them, but i think in the case of that project it just doesn't make sense | 16:57 |
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| cdent | oh don't let me encourage you. I think they are to be avoided where possible | 16:58 |
| cdent | oh dear, we've run out of time | 16:59 |
| * etoews looks at watch he doesn't have | 16:59 | |
| cdent | any last minutes before we move it to #openstack-sdks ? | 16:59 |
| cdent | (i'll do the newsletter) | 16:59 |
| elmiko | thanks cdent ! | 17:00 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| etoews | thx cdent | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 3 17:00:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-11-03-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-11-03-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-11-03-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| harlowja | cdent yup, hard to get momentum behind such a thing :-/ | 17:39 |
| harlowja | though IMHO its needed | 17:39 |
| harlowja | the harder question of 'evolve what exists' vs 'try it again' (but learn from our mistakes) | 17:40 |
| harlowja | and/or repeat the same mistakes, lol | 17:40 |
| harlowja | cdent https://github.com/stackforge/warm/blob/2a8fddd51a1723ac81de18270a7eec1f15fca51f/README was another such attempt | 17:41 |
| harlowja | at 'porcelain' | 17:41 |
| cdent | harlowja: yeah, I looked at that too | 17:41 |
| cdent | and since I did I figured it was only fair getting your name into the record | 17:41 |
| harlowja | :-p | 17:41 |
| harlowja | thx | 17:42 |
| harlowja | ha | 17:42 |
| cdent | it's all about managing your personal brand, right? | 17:42 |
| harlowja | once a day mention harlowja | 17:42 |
| harlowja | thats the order | 17:42 |
| harlowja | lol | 17:42 |
| harlowja | (even sorta rhymes ) | 17:42 |
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| * cdent shivers | 17:43 | |
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| SWDevAngel | Hey Mordred | 19:03 |
| mordred | uhoh | 19:03 |
| mordred | shinya_kwbt: what did I do? | 19:04 |
| SWDevAngel | Okay.... was checking if I was actually logged in. I seem to be logged in twice. IRC kicking my bunz this morning... | 19:04 |
| mordred | SWDevAngel: well - you exist! | 19:04 |
| SWDevAngel | Was trying to see if itshamail AUC meeting was happening. I guess not. | 19:04 |
| SWDevAngel | In terms of what you did... well.... i think you know what you did! ;) | 19:04 |
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| mordred | sssssh | 19:05 |
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| SWDevAngel | yep.... your secret is safe with me. :) | 19:05 |
| SWDevAngel | I should say secretS are... ;) | 19:06 |
| mordred | haha | 19:08 |
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