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| dtroyer | ola! | 13:01 |
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| dtroyer | #startmeeting openstackclient | 13:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 17 13:03:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
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| dtroyer | So who is here? | 13:03 |
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| huanxuan | Hi, dtroyer | 13:03 |
| huanxuan | o/ | 13:03 |
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| dtroyer | Good morning/evening huanxuan | 13:04 |
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| dtroyer | Seems like it is just us | 13:05 |
| huanxuan | I have made a bp for refactoring transfer commands, you could check it when you have time. | 13:06 |
| huanxuan | yes ... | 13:06 |
| huanxuan | just we two | 13:06 |
| dtroyer | ok, I will, thank you | 13:06 |
| huanxuan | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+spec/transfer-request-refactor | 13:06 |
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| huanxuan | and I have some review questions | 13:06 |
| dtroyer | very nice, I will look at it closely after the meeting | 13:06 |
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| dtroyer | ok. real quick before the review questions... | 13:07 |
| dtroyer | I wanted to mention that the 3.4.0 release is almost ready, stevemar had one more thing to add to it, then we should do the release later today | 13:07 |
| dtroyer | #topic reviews | 13:08 |
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| dtroyer | ok, huanxuan, what questions? | 13:08 |
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| huanxuan | What your suggestion about this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398123/ | 13:08 |
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| huanxuan | it seems like a show command, because just one result will be returned | 13:09 |
| dtroyer | yes it does | 13:09 |
| huanxuan | in cinderclient, it is a new command : cinder type-default | 13:09 |
| dtroyer | it is also a configuration command | 13:10 |
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| huanxuan | yes | 13:10 |
| dtroyer | well, it shows configuration. IIRC default volume type is set in cinder.conf? | 13:10 |
| dtroyer | so it is nice in that the user can actually discover something about the cloud config | 13:10 |
| dtroyer | I am wondering if we shouldn't have a single global command for this? | 13:11 |
| dtroyer | and it can have API options (—volume, —compute, etc) for when only one portion of the cloud config is desired | 13:11 |
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| huanxuan | You mean a global command for showing config for every service (compute volume network..)? | 13:12 |
| dtroyer | yes. there are other things that can be discovered like this | 13:13 |
| dtroyer | we should have a common way to do that | 13:13 |
| huanxuan | OK, get it! | 13:13 |
| dtroyer | that doesn't mean we have to implement them all right away, but we should at least sort out what it will look like | 13:14 |
| huanxuan | yes | 13:14 |
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| dtroyer | huanxuan: did you have more reviews to discuss? | 13:17 |
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| huanxuan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383025/ this one... looks a bit weird... | 13:18 |
| huanxuan | about the command name | 13:18 |
| dtroyer | that one seems backwards to me | 13:19 |
| dtroyer | I think of having a port that I want to add a floating Ip to: port add floating ip | 13:19 |
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| dtroyer | the question to ask, is which resource contains the other resource? | 13:20 |
| huanxuan | yes | 13:20 |
| huanxuan | IMO, is floating IP add a fixed IP of a port | 13:21 |
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| huanxuan | sometimes port have more than one fixed IP | 13:21 |
| dtroyer | right, which is what makes me think it should be the other way around, just like a security group has multiple rules | 13:22 |
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| huanxuan | yes | 13:23 |
| dtroyer | ah, right, this has gone back and forth a few times… | 13:24 |
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| dtroyer | I will update my comments | 13:25 |
| huanxuan | ok, thank you :) | 13:25 |
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| dtroyer | anything else? | 13:28 |
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| huanxuan | ah.. I have on other questions today, thank you! hope to see you comment for the transfer command refactor BP | 13:29 |
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| dtroyer | I will, that will take a little more caffiene to think about :) | 13:30 |
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| huanxuan | yes, it is not a easy work | 13:30 |
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| dtroyer | ok, nobody else has chimed in, let's call it a day | 13:34 |
| dtroyer | thank you huanxuan | 13:34 |
| huanxuan | ok | 13:34 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 13:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 17 13:34:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-11-17-13.03.html | 13:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-11-17-13.03.txt | 13:34 |
| huanxuan | thank you :) | 13:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-11-17-13.03.log.html | 13:34 |
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| vgridnev | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 17 14:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vgridnev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| vgridnev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SaharaAgenda | 14:00 |
| tellesnobrega | o; | 14:01 |
| tellesnobrega | o/ | 14:01 |
| raissa | hi | 14:01 |
| zemuvier | hi | 14:01 |
| NikitaKonovalov | o/ | 14:02 |
| vgridnev | o/ | 14:02 |
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| esikachev | hi | 14:03 |
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| vgridnev | raissa, do you if egafford is going to attend today? | 14:03 |
| raissa | she's not | 14:04 |
| vgridnev | #topic News / Updates | 14:04 |
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| NikitaKonovalov | Not much from my side. Other activities are distracting me heavily | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | I'm still working on the storm integration, had some troubles to build apache slider but still believe this is promising | 14:06 |
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| vgridnev | Sahara passed first Ocata's milenstone this week, so Ocata-2 is our current target | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | other than that just internal stuff | 14:06 |
| vgridnev | also several improvements on upstream jobs this week, removed support of direct engine in scenario jobs, will make migration to xenial soon, I hope that will be working | 14:07 |
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| raissa | vgridnev: so you'll be tackling the change to xenial? | 14:08 |
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| vgridnev | raissa, I hope so, but I need to think how that will work with mitaka branch, actually. I'm not sure that devstack will be happy with that | 14:09 |
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| raissa | oh, alright | 14:10 |
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| vgridnev | #topic Open discussion | 14:11 |
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| vgridnev | raissa, just wondering, egafford is on PTO, or she just busy with some internal stuff? | 14:12 |
| tellesnobrega | vgridnev, she is on PTO | 14:13 |
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| raissa | yeah ^ | 14:13 |
| vgridnev | till what date? | 14:13 |
| tellesnobrega | I believe she will be back monday | 14:14 |
| vgridnev | cool, thanks! | 14:14 |
| vgridnev | any updates about outreachy interns? maybe some help is needed? | 14:15 |
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| vgridnev | and silence ... ok, if there is nothing we can cover today, let's finish meeting today. | 14:19 |
| vgridnev | #endmeeting | 14:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 17 14:20:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-11-17-14.00.html | 14:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-11-17-14.00.txt | 14:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2016/sahara.2016-11-17-14.00.log.html | 14:20 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 17 15:00:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
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| john-davidge | o/ | 15:00 |
| johndperkins | o/ | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | Good morning / evening! | 15:01 |
| baoli_ | good morning | 15:01 |
| john-davidge | good afternoon | 15:01 |
| john-davidge | anyone for night? | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | I knew I was forgettiong something.... thanks john-davidge | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | Today's agenda is here: | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | #Topic Announcements | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:03 | |
| mlavalle | First of, this week we reached Ocata-1 | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | Any other announcement from the team? | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | Ahhh, I forgot, registration for Atlanta's PTG is open | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 15:07 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: will you be attending? | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | This is the new format that replaces the Summit | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: yes, how about you? | 15:07 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: excellent :) yes I'll be there | 15:07 |
| john-davidge | as will johndperkins I believe? | 15:08 |
| johndperkins | yep | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | yaay! | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | OK, let's move on | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:08 | |
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| mlavalle | First one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1540983 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1540983 in OpenStack-Gate "Gate failures for neutron in test_dualnet_multi_prefix_slaac" [Undecided,Expired] | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | I haven't been able to reach Oleg about this one | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | so yesterday I started to work on it | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | My finding is that it triggered by a lot of patchsets that are failing in many other tests | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | So most patchsets that I am seeing triggering it are faulty | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | I am going to invest some more time on it today | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | If I don't find solid failures related to a bug, I will close it | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | Any comments | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | ? | 15:11 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Thanks for picking that up | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | Ok, next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1570122 | 15:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1570122 in neutron "ipv6 prefix delegated subnets are not accessable external of the router they are attached." [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | Any changes since last week? | 15:12 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: No significant movement on this one. I think i see where we need to make the chnages (process_internal_ports in router_info.py) but havent had a chnace to test my theory yet | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | ok, thanks | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | please yell if you need help :-) | 15:13 |
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| john-davidge | mlavalle: If I'm still saying the same thing next week please poke me :) | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: Thanks :-). Will do | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610483 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach) | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | For this one we have a proposed fix: | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390594/ | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | We need reviews | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | I'll review it today or tomorrow | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | Next one is this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627424 | 15:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627424 in neutron "FlushError on IPAllocation" [High,Confirmed] | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | We need an owner for this one. If nobody has stepped it by the time I am done with the bug I am currently working, I'll assign this one to me | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | any volunteers? | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627480 | 15:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627480 in neutron "create_port can succeed without returning fixed_ips on all requested subnets" [High,Confirmed] | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | Again, no owner. Any volunteers? | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | If nobody volunteers, I will also get to it | 15:20 |
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| john-davidge | mlavalle: You're going to become a one-man l3-subteam! | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 15:20 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: there was a patch mentioned in that bug, guess it didn't fix it compeltely? | 15:20 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: This one looks interesting, I hadn't seen it yet. I'd like to say I could take a look but I want to tackle that PD bug first | 15:21 |
| haleyb | related, not closes i guess | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: yeah, that may be the case. But someone need to take tiem to insure it is fixed | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | I'll get to it over the next few days | 15:21 |
| haleyb | ok | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1636963 | 15:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1636963 in neutron "Service Subnets - DHCP port creation fails" [High,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 15:22 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Still waiting for reviews on the patch | 15:22 |
| john-davidge | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392183/ | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | Do you need follow up comment from armax? | 15:24 |
| haleyb | john-davidge: or we change the design :-o | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | Or do you need more opinions? | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | I remember looking at the patch itself last week. It looks reasonable to me, under the current design / assumptions | 15:25 |
| john-davidge | None of the existing comments seem to be particularly opinionated on the ideal approach. I'd be happy to alter it, but nobody has expressed a solid preference for that yet | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | ok, so trying to get a strong mandate..... | 15:26 |
| john-davidge | Wary of changing it for something potentially less favourable in the absense of any solid objections | 15:26 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: right :) | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | I guess my choice of words is influenced by recent national events :-) | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | ok, I'll try to leave an opinion there | 15:27 |
| haleyb | john-davidge: so maybe update the release note to say dhcp is special | 15:27 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: Yeah that's a fair comment, I'll do that. Then there will be something clearer to object to :) | 15:28 |
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| mlavalle | Thanks john-davidge ! | 15:29 |
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| mlavalle | baoli_: do you want to update the team about IPv6 PD? | 15:29 |
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| baoli_ | mlavalle: yeah | 15:30 |
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| mlavalle | baoli_: should we add a section to the weekly agenda for this topic? | 15:30 |
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| baoli_ | So I'm working on the unit tests before submitting a patch for #1639033 | 15:30 |
| baoli_ | mlavalle: sure | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | ok, will do that next meeting. for now, please carry on | 15:31 |
| baoli_ | mlavalle: Hopefully I can submit a patch in a couple of days | 15:31 |
| baoli_ | I have a fix for 1640271 as well, But I will need to finalize it after #1639033 | 15:32 |
| baoli_ | that's all from me | 15:33 |
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| mlavalle | baoli_: will look for your patchset to review it | 15:33 |
| baoli_ | malvalle: thanks | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | any other bugs from the team? | 15:33 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Service Subnets | 15:34 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb, john-davidge: do we need to keep this topic in the agenda? | 15:35 |
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| john-davidge | mlavalle: I don't think so | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | There is currently a point about a pending doc | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | is that done? | 15:35 |
| haleyb | oh, need an update to add more examples | 15:36 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: Ah yes, forgot about that | 15:36 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: But the initial doc is done: http://docs.openstack.org/newton/networking-guide/config-service-subnets.html | 15:36 |
| haleyb | perhaps we lift it right from the summit presentation | 15:36 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: I had a conversation with carl_baldwin about that actually | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | So let's do soemthing, I will keep it in the agenda until we finish the doc. Let's make sure it doesn't fall through the cracks | 15:38 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Sure, thanks | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Routed Networks (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:39 | |
| mlavalle | On this topic, I have been making progress on the integration with the Nova scheduler | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | I have been adding unit tests | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | The Nova patchset that I need to finish my code has already two +2's: | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357993/ | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | I also had a conversation with jaypipes about the client I am using for the placement api | 15:41 |
| carl_baldwin | Docs are getting close | 15:42 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356013 | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | They have decided not to implement a python client. They seem the api is pretty simple, so they don't want to create more dependencies | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | so each project that uses the placement api has to create its own client | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | so I will add another patchset in Neutron where I will move my client | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: Thanks for the update! | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | any questions? | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | You can thank Sam-I-Am for this update. It is an excellent improvement to my initial attempt. | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Agenda (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:45 | |
| mlavalle | Next week's Thursday is Thanksgiving in the US | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | I propose to skip the meeting next week | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | Any objections? | 15:46 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Fine by me, thanks for the heads up | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | I will send a message to the ML anyway | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | If there are not any more topics, I'll return 10 minutes to your agendas | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | Thanks for attending | 15:48 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Thanks! | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | Next meeting will be on December 1st | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 17 15:48:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-11-17-15.00.html | 15:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-11-17-15.00.txt | 15:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2016/neutron_l3.2016-11-17-15.00.log.html | 15:48 |
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| etoews | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 17 16:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is etoews. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| etoews | #chair cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: elmiko | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 16:00 |
| cdent | hola | 16:00 |
| etoews | hey edleafe | 16:00 |
| etoews | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:00 |
| edleafe | hey | 16:01 |
| cdent | managed to get off the call | 16:01 |
| * edleafe too | 16:01 | |
| etoews | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:01 | |
| etoews | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/ | 16:01 |
| etoews | nada | 16:02 |
| etoews | #topic open mic | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open mic (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:02 | |
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| etoews | #topic negation | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "negation (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:03 | |
| cdent | #link http://markmail.org/message/yr3ex6u6kcv4itty is about negation | 16:03 |
| etoews | a markmail link! | 16:03 |
| cdent | I have to say that I'm quite pleased with the process happening there | 16:03 |
| edleafe | me too | 16:03 |
| etoews | haven't seen one of those in a while :) | 16:03 |
| cdent | better navigation | 16:03 |
| edleafe | it boils down to: clarity vs consistency | 16:04 |
| edleafe | not_in => clearer | 16:04 |
| edleafe | nin => consistent with neq | 16:04 |
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| * etoews opinion rapidly flip flops between the two | 16:06 | |
| cdent | rather | 16:06 |
| cdent | neq feels like it has global precendent | 16:06 |
| cdent | whereas nin, not so sure | 16:06 |
| etoews | is there a nout? | 16:06 |
| * edleafe thinks the Nine Inch Nails reference tilts it towards 'nin' | 16:06 | |
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| cdent | I'm not sure it matters that much, and we can just let the (nice) democratic process prevail, and someone will create the review, potentially further winnowing it | 16:07 |
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| cdent | I stuck the thread on the agenda when the thread started, to make sure it went somewhere, and it has done a remarkable job of doing so | 16:08 |
| etoews | cool | 16:08 |
| etoews | i suppose i lean ever so slightly towards to nin | 16:08 |
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| * edleafe flips a coin | 16:08 | |
| etoews | any action to come out of this? seems like it's covered well enough on the ML and eventual patch | 16:09 |
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| etoews | maybe one last email to the list to precipitate a patch? | 16:10 |
| cdent | yeah ,that sounds right | 16:10 |
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| etoews | edleafe: care to take that since you're already invested in the thread? | 16:10 |
| edleafe | sure | 16:10 |
| etoews | thx | 16:10 |
| edleafe | I was hoping someone else from the thread would show up | 16:10 |
| etoews | #action edleafe to precipitate patch for http://markmail.org/message/yr3ex6u6kcv4itty thread | 16:11 |
| cdent | edleafe is silver iodide | 16:12 |
| etoews | #topic glance thang | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "glance thang (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:12 | |
| etoews | glance wants api-wg input on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396919 | 16:12 |
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| etoews | sounds like you jumped on this one cdent | 16:12 |
| cdent | yeah, it's in hand, same "in case it didn't get addressed by the time of meeting" as above | 16:13 |
| etoews | anything left to do? | 16:13 |
| cdent | they've had a few more related topics, mostly to do with language: shared v shareable | 16:13 |
| cdent | stuff that is good for beer+api-talk but probably not something we need to concern outselves with at this time | 16:14 |
| etoews | kk | 16:14 |
| etoews | anything anyone else wants to bring to the open mic? | 16:14 |
| edleafe | not from me | 16:15 |
| * cdent plays some folk guitar | 16:15 | |
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| cdent | this is a little protest song | 16:15 |
| etoews | #topic guidelines | 16:15 |
| cdent | ec | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guidelines (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:15 | |
| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:15 |
| cdent | pagination is a bit stuck I think | 16:15 |
| cdent | capabilities still remains pretty wip but has a lot of eyes on it | 16:16 |
| edleafe | the capabilities one sounds like it could open a huge rabbit hole | 16:17 |
| cdent | a) yes, b) its supposed to close others c) \o/ | 16:17 |
| edleafe | iow, if it's there, then every group will feel required to implement it | 16:17 |
| edleafe | so +1 for consistent rabbit holes | 16:18 |
| edleafe | :) | 16:18 |
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| cdent | I'm going to go back to it after it settles a bit and restate my original concern: what's the real problem this is solving | 16:18 |
| cdent | because at the moment it sounds like a bit solution first oriented | 16:18 |
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| cdent | but since it has been talked about in various context as a necessary for a long time, I'm probably missing some important details | 16:19 |
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| edleafe | it's useful when try/fail/react takes too long or is too intensive | 16:20 |
| edleafe | but otherwise... | 16:20 |
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| cdent | neither are ready for wider review, neither are ready for freeze | 16:22 |
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| etoews | #topic APIImpact | 16:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "APIImpact (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:24 | |
| etoews | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+AND+(message:ApiImpact+OR+message:APIImpact),n,z | 16:24 |
| etoews | erm...apiimpact is a thing. | 16:25 |
| etoews | #topic bug review | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug review (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:26 | |
| etoews | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg | 16:26 |
| etoews | i need to duck out in 4 min | 16:26 |
| cdent | nothing new | 16:26 |
| cdent | on the bugs | 16:26 |
| etoews | cdent: can you finish up the meeting? | 16:26 |
| cdent | yessir | 16:26 |
| * etoews bows | 16:26 | |
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| cdent | I think if there's nothing more to discuss we can probably call it, and I'll do the newsletter (highlighting that we liked the nin/not_in process) sometime before EOD | 16:27 |
| cdent | anyone? | 16:28 |
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| cdent | okay then | 16:28 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 16:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 17 16:28:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-11-17-16.00.html | 16:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-11-17-16.00.txt | 16:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2016/api_wg.2016-11-17-16.00.log.html | 16:28 |
| cdent | thanks everybody | 16:28 |
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| docaedo | Courtesy ping zynzel kfox1111 kzaitsev_mb igormarnat_ mfedosin sskripnick olaph docaedo | 16:59 |
| docaedo | Anyone up for an exciting app-catalog meeting this morning? | 17:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: tbachman: hi | 18:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 17 18:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:00 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:00 |
| igordcard | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we are back after a bit of hiatus :-) | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have a bit of an open agenda today, since i am not sure if people in the US have adjusted to the change in time | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic QoS branch/patch | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "QoS branch/patch (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: thanks for following up on the patch | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: i was on paternity leave, and wasnt able to respond to your question earlier | 18:02 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: were you able to make progress on the UT failures you were asking? | 18:02 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: yes I fixed the existing UTs but broke others :| | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: oh | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301701 | 18:03 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: so now I'll have to look at those, was completely booked for an event today so we'll have to study the issue later this evening or tomorrow | 18:03 |
| igordcard | s/we'll/I'll | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: i think this is still a setup issue | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: seems like a driver is not loaded | 18:04 |
| igordcard | the problem is in what extension drivers are being loaded for which test classes | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: right | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: might have been something when you did a rebase and merge | 18:05 |
| igordcard | cuz the qos extension driver doesn't seem to be compatible with the aim_extension or apic | 18:05 |
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| igordcard | is it acceptable to consider qos incompatible with aim_extension? | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: i am guessing that the UT setup part is not initialized correctly | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: yeah it is completely acceptable | 18:05 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: i did not realize that you were trying to get those tests to work | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: in that context, let me know if you see an obvious fix for the UT failures you are seeing, otherwise we look through whats going on | 18:06 |
| igordcard | I need to load the qos extension as locally as possible (down in the inheritance chain of the test classes, or it will affect different sets of tests - from aim) | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: no rush though | 18:07 |
| rkukura | I doubt the apic_aim mechanism driver configuation is enabling the Neutron-level QoS extension, so I’m not sure using GBP’s QoS on top of that would work | 18:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right, i dont think it would, and i dont think we are targeting it this point, right? | 18:07 |
| igordcard | SumitNaiksatam: alright; rkukura yeah it's not loading it, and if I try it doesn't seem to load apic_aim | 18:07 |
| rkukura | so why would aim_extension be invoved in these tests? | 18:08 |
| igordcard | rkukura: the aim tests are indirectly inherited from GroupPolicyPluginTestBase, and I was setting qos there | 18:10 |
| igordcard | that and related settings were preventing it from loading and making some tests fail, but I think I have a similar "noisy test class" now which made another set of tests fail | 18:11 |
| igordcard | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/301701/24..25/gbpservice/neutron/tests/unit/services/grouppolicy/test_grouppolicy_plugin.py | 18:11 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Does this make sense? Seems we would need GBP unit tests to run independently on resource_mapping, apic_mapping, and aim_mapping configs. | 18:11 |
| igordcard | (...) from loading, and making some tests fail (...) | 18:11 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i am wondering, to make things easier for igordcard, if we could “unload” the certain extensions when initializing specific driver related tests? | 18:12 |
| rkukura | maybe we’ve got some aim-speciic config in a base test class rather than in a config-specific class | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: or that, but i suspect that would require some surgery to get the right combination of extensions | 18:13 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: if we could just override the loading of this specific extension from the apic_aim UT initialization that might be easier | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i havent done this before, so i am not sure it can be done, but just thinking loud | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as a more permanent solution, rkukura, i agree we should solve this with a new hierarchy of parent classes for setting up the UT, so that we initialize only the extensions we need to | 18:15 |
| rkukura | agreed, and if shorter term solution is available, I’m OK with that too | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: thanks for the update on this | 18:16 |
| igordcard | alright, I should be able to fix it for now for my patch | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard: great | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Consider HAProxy for the NFP namespace Proxy | 18:17 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: hi | 18:17 |
| songole | hi SumitNaiksatam | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: glad you could make it | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: you want to quickly summarize the proposal | 18:17 |
| songole | ok | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: it might be helpful to first summarize the current function of the proxy | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and/or how it works | 18:18 |
| songole | we have a proxy as a means to communicate from under the cloud components to the configurator VM | 18:18 |
| songole | which is running over the cloud | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: so the proxy bridges the under cloud to the over cloud | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: and its done over a unix domain socket? | 18:19 |
| songole | this listens on unix sockets on one end and makes tcp connection to configurator | 18:19 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: right | 18:19 |
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| songole | this is a simple proxy written in python | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: thanks, and this proxy is currently home-grown GBP component, right? | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: you answered my question | 18:20 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: correct | 18:20 |
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| songole | the proposal is to replace it with haproxy | 18:20 |
| songole | haproxy has some advantages.. more reliable, proven | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: did you run into issues with the current proxy implementation? | 18:21 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: not really.. I am concerned about performance and scale | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: ah okay, that was my next question | 18:22 |
| songole | It could also load balance when we have these multiple configurators .. | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i definitely think there is a direct benefit from the getting the loadbalancing for free | 18:22 |
| songole | I am yet to validate.. But, I was just trying to broach the idea | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i dont know about the performance | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: i am not sure if haproxy will add any extra processing that you dont need, but i am quite ignorant of this, so i am just speculating | 18:23 |
| songole | however, we need to install haproxy package | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: so, haproxy would become a GBP dependency? | 18:24 |
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| songole | SumitNaiksatam: good question on additional processing.. We just need L4 LB | 18:24 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: GBP dependency - yes | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: what is your thinking on adding something like haproxy as a GBP package dependency? | 18:25 |
| rkukura | If its already an Open | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i guess, firstly we have ascertain that it will be available across distros | 18:25 |
| rkukura | an OpenStack dependency, I see no issue | 18:25 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i am not aware that its an openstack dependency | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: as in in the global requirements, but we can check | 18:25 |
| rkukura | we should check that | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i doubt it is | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: but i agree with your reasoning | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so lets say its not, then how do we go about it? | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i did a quick search in global requirements repo on the string “haproxy”, did not find it | 18:28 |
| rkukura | Even if its not in global requirements, I guess I’d look for any other OpenStack projects that use it | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean in the requirements | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:28 |
| rkukura | This isn’t just a python package, so I’m not sure how the dependency would be expressed | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: good point | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so looking in global requirements is probably not the right thing | 18:29 |
| songole | lbaas project does use it | 18:29 |
| rkukura | I’ve seen some mentions of binary dependencies in email/IRC recently | 18:29 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: but like rkukura said, i think the lbaas dependency on haproxy is probably not captured in the requirements | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and is probably taken care off at the distro level (and by devstack in developer env) | 18:30 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: I got it. I don't see it either.. | 18:30 |
| rkukura | Would UTs have any dependency on haproxy? | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i dont think so | 18:31 |
| rkukura | So it might just be a matter of devstack plugins installing it | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think the UTs related to the current proxy implementation would just go away | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole can correct me | 18:32 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: I would think so | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: if we were to this, would it mean that everytime we install GBP, the installation would have to somehow install haproxy? | 18:32 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: right | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | installation -> GBP installer | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: okay | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: it seems like we would actually have to go through this exercise once, to understand the dependencise issue, and also the ease of deployment | 18:34 |
| rkukura | OpenStack HA docs reference haproxy: http://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/controller-ha-haproxy.html | 18:34 |
| rkukura | For GBP NFP, on what node(s) would haproxy run? | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | network node | 18:35 |
| songole | rkukura: network node | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: if you see a big benefit in doing this, perhaps we can invest time | 18:36 |
| rkukura | ok | 18:36 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: okay | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i guess its a good experiment to try out | 18:36 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: we can carry forward the discussion offline, and/or follow up in the upcoming IRC meetings | 18:37 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: thanks for proposing this | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | I wasnt able to attend the Barcelona summit | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as is probably the case with most other people here | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | not sure if there were any discussions related to GBP, and/or any follow up was required | 18:38 |
| rkukura | I wasn’t there either, but I have not heard of any GBP discussion | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay, thanks | 18:39 |
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| rkukura | Any timeframe for moving GBP master to depend on Neutron newton or master? | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we always have this meeting, and the #openstack-gbp channel if anyone wants to follow up | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: :-) | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know we needed to do that like yesterday | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but currently i dont have a timeline on this | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | if anyone is willing to take this on right now, i can definitely work with them | 18:40 |
| rkukura | Seems we would move our master to depend on newton, get that comfortably working, create our stable/newton, then move our master to depend on master, right? | 18:40 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes | 18:41 |
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| rkukura | So at least the target for the first effort would not be a moving target at this point | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | to be able to cut stable/newton the non-voting gate jobs should also pass | 18:41 |
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| rkukura | Meaning the work could start and take as much time as needed to complete | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: true, newton is already out, that makes it a bit easier | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: one thing we need to do is fix the aim job first | 18:42 |
| rkukura | good point | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we meaning, between the two of us | 18:43 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i think we are flying blind a little bit there | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | no point in having that job if we dont get it to work :-) | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | my bad that i wasnt able to fix it earlier | 18:43 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: lets look into it this afternoon if we get a chance | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sounds good | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as a programming note, since there are few holidays coming up, we might be meeting less often over the next few weeks | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | we wont be meeting in the week of thanksgiving, and the last two weeks of december | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh, and there is this patch from tbachman: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399126/ | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: if you are still there, you might also want to take a look | 18:46 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: ok. will do | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: it turns out that tbachman was hitting the same issue you noticed with lbaas in mitaka | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: and which we worked around by patching | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks for relentlessly pursuing the root cause of this! | 18:47 |
| songole | tbachman: thank you | 18:47 |
| rkukura | tbachman and SumitNaiksatam: I’d like to catch up with you guys on this DB issue as soon as I get in | 18:47 |
| songole | it appears we didn't run into that issue again | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: after the monkey patch, that is, right? | 18:48 |
| rkukura | I was also discussing this general sort of issue with kevinbenton yesterday | 18:48 |
| songole | no.. even without it.. with new install of gbp rpms.. | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | songole: ah, interesting | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay cool | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, any one have anything else for today? | 18:49 |
| rkukura | that’s it for me | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: songole igordcard tbachman: thanks for joining! | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 17 18:50:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:50 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam | 18:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-11-17-18.00.html | 18:50 |
| rkukura | bye | 18:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-11-17-18.00.txt | 18:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2016/networking_policy.2016-11-17-18.00.log.html | 18:50 |
| songole | bye | 18:50 |
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| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: sorry about that! | 18:50 |
| tbachman | got a bit distracted | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: np at all | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: was just thanking you for you earlier for your effort ;-) | 18:51 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thank me if I figure it out ;) | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: most certainly will, but the you have already brought new things to light | 18:53 |
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| shamail | #startmeeting auc | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 17 19:01:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| SWDevAngel | Hi Shamail | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: auc)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'auc' | 19:01 |
| dc_mattj | evening all | 19:01 |
| shamail | hi dc_mattj! | 19:01 |
| shamail | Anyone else here for AUC Recog. WG? | 19:01 |
| jproulx | I'm here | 19:01 |
| dc_mattj | hi shamail - bit out of the loop with where the current progress is, but I am here :) | 19:01 |
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| shamail | Agenda | 19:01 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/AUCRecognition#Meeting_Information | 19:01 |
| shamail | And we appreciate it dc_mattj | 19:02 |
| shamail | hi jproulx | 19:02 |
| shamail | I’ll add an additional item to recap | 19:02 |
| SWDevAngel | I'm here | 19:02 |
| jproulx | hi shamail | 19:02 |
| shamail | Hi SWDevAngel :) | 19:02 |
| shamail | Let’s get started | 19:02 |
| shamail | #topic AUC Recap | 19:03 |
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| shamail | We made amazing progress in the Newton release cycle and were successfully able to complete the initial definition for AUC | 19:03 |
| shamail | Criteria can be found at: | 19:03 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-recog-metrics | 19:03 |
| shamail | At the BCN summit, AUCs had designation provided on their batches (thanks for the hardwork by Tom and the Foundation team) | 19:04 |
| dc_mattj | that looks great, I know we discussed some of this in Austin, but it looks like you have all the bases covered now | 19:04 |
| shamail | dc_mattj: Yes, as far as bases that were non-controversial | 19:04 |
| dc_mattj | lol | 19:04 |
| shamail | We also had a “self-nomination” category so people can let us know what we missed :) | 19:04 |
| shamail | To my knowledge, we have not had anyone use that process so I believe we covered a wide range | 19:05 |
| jproulx | Well not much benefit yet so people who are missed probably don't know it yet :) | 19:05 |
| shamail | jproulx: Do you know of any issues/requests for AUC? (we specified UC as the source to raise nominations) | 19:05 |
| shamail | Good point! | 19:05 |
| jproulx | AFAIK no requests | 19:06 |
| dc_mattj | shamail, did we have final numbers on how many there were for BCN out of all the identified categories ? | 19:06 |
| shamail | Yes, we did... | 19:06 |
| * shamail scrambles to find data | 19:06 | |
| shamail | We had 255 AUCs in BCN | 19:07 |
| shamail | And 38% of the AUC are also ATC (97) | 19:07 |
| dc_mattj | that's a pretty manageable number | 19:07 |
| shamail | Agree | 19:07 |
| dc_mattj | considering where we thought we might be at the start of this process | 19:07 |
| shamail | I honestly feel like we haven’t found a good way to recognize operators | 19:07 |
| shamail | Right now, it comes down to upstream contribution in the form of OSOps or Superuser for them | 19:08 |
| SWDevAngel | And I love that we got AUC front and center on our badges. Lots of people asked me what that was so we got to "advocate" so to speak! :) | 19:08 |
| shamail | SWDevAngel: +1! | 19:08 |
| dc_mattj | shamail, or contributions to ops mid cycles and summits right ? | 19:08 |
| shamail | True dc_mattj, sorry. | 19:08 |
| jproulx | well we're interest in recognizing operators who contribute, I think we have good coverage of those liekly contributions (though perhaps not 100% we'll see) | 19:08 |
| shamail | Track chairs + OS meetup moderators (or planning WG members) | 19:08 |
| shamail | #topic OpenStack Summit Recap | 19:09 |
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| shamail | At the OpenStack Summit we had three activities related to AUC directly | 19:09 |
| shamail | and one indirect (UC Charter) | 19:09 |
| shamail | The three events related to AUC were: A breakout session by Maishk and I, An ops-meetup session by Maishk, and a WG meeting | 19:10 |
| dc_mattj | I think I proposed the ops-meetup session - good to see that go ahead so the word could be spread | 19:10 |
| shamail | I, unfortunantely, had to leave early due to other professional commitments so I wasn’t able to make the ops-meetup and WG meeting | 19:10 |
| shamail | Was anyone here present at those two sessions? | 19:10 |
| jproulx | I was at ops-meetup | 19:10 |
| dc_mattj | I couldn't get to BCN this time | 19:11 |
| shamail | Awesome dc_mattj | 19:11 |
| shamail | I understand dc_mattj | 19:11 |
| jproulx | talked a little about AUC but after a long week people were pretty glassy eyed about governance issues :) | 19:11 |
| shamail | The breakout session went well, I think 50-60% of the audience were already AUCs | 19:11 |
| shamail | haha jproulx, it was only Wednesday! | 19:11 |
| SWDevAngel | I did not make the ops session in BCN this time. (was there in NYC. :) Too many conflicts. in Barca | 19:12 |
| jproulx | Oh I was talking about Friday afternoon informal meetup session | 19:12 |
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| shamail | Oh, gotcha. There was an actual AUC session on the ops midcycle agenda as well (on Wednesday) | 19:12 |
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| shamail | The etherpad link for the meetup session: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-ops-AUC | 19:13 |
| * shamail apologizes for multi-tasking atm | 19:14 | |
| jproulx | apparently I was there :) | 19:14 |
| shamail | lol | 19:14 |
| shamail | In the meetup session, it seems the bulk of the conversation was focused on the UC charter and elections | 19:14 |
| dc_mattj | I was just about to post that link | 19:14 |
| shamail | For those of you that didn’t make the board of directors meeting... | 19:15 |
| shamail | There was an agenda item to vote on the bylaw changes for the UC charter | 19:15 |
| shamail | (AUCs are the voting members) | 19:15 |
| shamail | and the discussion was deferred due to some changes needed from a legal standpoint and UC composition | 19:15 |
| shamail | There is a board meeting later today and this topic will be brought up again | 19:16 |
| shamail | jproulx: do you have any updates on the work done by UC between Oct and Nov for the topic today? | 19:16 |
| jproulx | There was a call earlier in the week with UC and some of the board that worked on text a bit more | 19:16 |
| shamail | Do we feel the board will vote today or continue refinement? | 19:16 |
| jproulx | Think we're now looking for a vote in Dec. | 19:17 |
| shamail | Awesome, thanks | 19:17 |
| jproulx | There's been a lot of work on the by laws proposal this week | 19:17 |
| SWDevAngel | Shamail, will you attend the board meeting? | 19:17 |
| dc_mattj | am I right in thinking once it's all voted in by the board, there would then be a piece of work to formally document all of this ? | 19:17 |
| shamail | The goal is to have UC elections in first few months of 2017 | 19:17 |
| shamail | and the changes are needed to go ahead and do that | 19:17 |
| jproulx | So there's teh by-laws proposal that authorises all this | 19:18 |
| shamail | There is work to formally document, the board is voting on whether the documented changes can be applied | 19:18 |
| shamail | (I dont have the google link handy) | 19:18 |
| jproulx | a UC charter change that flills out most of the details including the work of this group | 19:18 |
| SWDevAngel | Is wendar lurking? (I saw she put her name in the Etherpad). Hope she'll be on the board meeting advocating for us. :) | 19:18 |
| shamail | She will be there (and is an advocate!) | 19:19 |
| SWDevAngel | I know. Yaaay! :) | 19:19 |
| shamail | Thanks jproulx | 19:19 |
| jproulx | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yD8TfqUik2dt5xo_jMVHMl7tw9oIJnEndLK8YqEToyo/edit?usp=sharing | 19:20 |
| jproulx | that's the by laws proposal (comment only link) | 19:20 |
| jproulx | I lie | 19:20 |
| jproulx | that's not it at all :) | 19:20 |
| shamail | :) | 19:21 |
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| shamail | So I assume the UC will send an email once the vote has happened in Dec? | 19:21 |
| jproulx | Certainly. | 19:21 |
| shamail | Awesome | 19:22 |
| shamail | Okay to change topics? | 19:22 |
| dc_mattj | +1 | 19:22 |
| shamail | #topic Future of AUC Recognition WG | 19:22 |
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| jproulx | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QmLOeseAkjBWM_TXsUeKBErNaSHnuZp81II0T71ARfo/edit?usp=sharing | 19:22 |
| jproulx | that's the real one I promise | 19:23 |
| shamail | So our initial mission was to help define the UC consitituency | 19:23 |
| shamail | We did a decent job with capturing intiial requirements | 19:24 |
| shamail | This team was a short-term WG to work on that specific task | 19:24 |
| shamail | My question at this point is whether this WG needs to continue to exist (and add new metrics) or whether we can disband and let the UC charter conversation drive future requirements for AUC? | 19:25 |
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| shamail | We only have one milestone left :) | 19:26 |
| jproulx | The Final - final product of this WG is getting the results (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-recog-metrics) into the UC charter | 19:26 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/AUCRecognition#Milestones | 19:26 |
| dc_mattj | presumably there are still some actions to be taken eg. documenting everything ? | 19:26 |
| SWDevAngel | Sorry.... who lords over the UC charter? | 19:26 |
| shamail | The User Committee | 19:26 |
| shamail | I believe that etherpad captures our final recommendations | 19:26 |
| jproulx | the UC charter is in git, the UC members have the +2s on the repo | 19:27 |
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| SWDevAngel | Are those people listed anywhere? Just curious who's on it and will be making the decisions going forward if we step away? | 19:27 |
| shamail | #link http://www.openstack.org/foundation/user-committee/ | 19:28 |
| shamail | ^ UC is listed there | 19:28 |
| SWDevAngel | Ahhhh, thanks. I'll take a look. | 19:28 |
| dc_mattj | I think this WG can probably disband | 19:28 |
| shamail | I have the same feeling dc_mattj | 19:28 |
| dc_mattj | if further change is needed it can be revisited through the normal channels | 19:28 |
| shamail | We can easily reconvene as needed by the UC for adjustments | 19:28 |
| dc_mattj | eg. someone moaning about how we got it all wrong on the lists ;) | 19:28 |
| shamail | but I think the UC (and future members) can continue to maintain the consitituency | 19:28 |
| shamail | jproulx: thoughts? | 19:29 |
| SWDevAngel | Is the UC just those three? Shilla, Edgar and purple? | 19:29 |
| jproulx | I think if you call the ehterpad the final output of the WG you'll have done well | 19:29 |
| shamail | Shilla, Edgar, and jproulx | 19:29 |
| shamail | jproulx: ++, thanks | 19:29 |
| jproulx | I'm purple? | 19:29 |
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| shamail | No, purple is Jim :) | 19:30 |
| SWDevAngel | Yes. That's what it says after your jproulx ID | 19:30 |
| dc_mattj | personally I think this wg has done great work - very task focused, and it's not been an easy topic | 19:30 |
| jproulx | If you think it's useful to maintain an existence until that etherpad works into the charter that's also a valid position | 19:30 |
| shamail | That’s a good idea | 19:30 |
| jproulx | SWDevAngel: nice! | 19:30 |
| dc_mattj | +1 should definitely still be in existence until everything is go | 19:30 |
| SWDevAngel | I figured that you wrote that there. | 19:31 |
| jproulx | This working group will be held up to that ages as a model of focus and efficiency I think | 19:31 |
| shamail | How about this? We’ll send an email summarizing our output in the form of the etherpad and the slides we used in BCN. We will not officially disband until the vote has been passed but will cancel meeting going forward. | 19:31 |
| shamail | If the UC needs us, we’ll be there. :) | 19:31 |
| SWDevAngel | And yes +1 on staying in existence until everything is sorted out... and +1 on disbanding after that. | 19:31 |
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| dc_mattj | shamail, like the Watchmen | 19:32 |
| dc_mattj | lurking in the shadows until we're needed again | 19:32 |
| shamail | #agree Group will stay active (but stop meeting) until UC charter has been approved. We will disband afterwards. | 19:32 |
| SWDevAngel | Ha! Love it! | 19:32 |
| shamail | haha dc_mattj | 19:32 |
| shamail | Thanks for the insanely great compliment jproulx | 19:32 |
| shamail | We live for effiency (and agility and scalability) | 19:32 |
| dc_mattj | shamail, who will formally document all the stuff in the ether pads and where will that live ? | 19:32 |
| jproulx | So from a UC perspective how shall we loop you all in when we get teh the relevant carter bit, just mailinglist with [auc]? | 19:32 |
| SWDevAngel | Sounds good. I never could figure out when this meeting was happening anyway. Shows up differently on all my calendars. ;) | 19:32 |
| shamail | I will go ahead and take that action item. We’ll put it on our wiki (and maybe add the etherpad/slides link on the UC wiki too) | 19:33 |
| jproulx | wow um my spelling... | 19:33 |
| dc_mattj | cool | 19:33 |
| shamail | jproulx: +1, that would be a great approach | 19:33 |
| dc_mattj | can I also say your chairing of this group has been fantastic | 19:33 |
| dc_mattj | shamail | 19:33 |
| dc_mattj | award well deserved in BCN | 19:34 |
| shamail | Thanks dc_mattj, the group couldn’t have done much w/o passionate members. So we all did well. | 19:34 |
| jproulx | +1 | 19:34 |
| SWDevAngel | +1 !!! Shamail for Pres!!! | 19:34 |
| shamail | Thanks! | 19:34 |
| * shamail is sad he wasn’t there for it | 19:34 | |
| shamail | Alright!!! | 19:34 |
| shamail | Great work everyone!!!!! | 19:34 |
| shamail | #topic Opens | 19:34 |
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| shamail | I think we have concluded our agenda… anything else? | 19:34 |
| SWDevAngel | My only question left is if you want me to say anything or bring up any AUC topic at OpenStack Days MTN west? | 19:35 |
| SWDevAngel | I'll be on the keynote (with Monty) and also chairing a "Future of OpenStack" panel | 19:35 |
| dc_mattj | the more people know and understand AUC the better in my opinion | 19:35 |
| shamail | SWDevAngel: I think raising awareness would be appreicated. | 19:35 |
| dc_mattj | still don't think it's very widely known | 19:35 |
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| SWDevAngel | Alan C will be there (it's in SLC) so if we have any agenda items we want in front of him, let me know. I can advocate (subtly or not so) from mainstage. ;) | 19:36 |
| shamail | lol, I hope we’ll be good | 19:36 |
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| shamail | Alan has been a great advocate as well and has worked closely with Edgar | 19:36 |
| shamail | On that note, this will (un-officially) conclude the AUC recognition WG meetings. :) | 19:36 |
| shamail | Thanks dc_mattj, jproulx, & SWDevAngel | 19:37 |
| SWDevAngel | Okay. Sounds good. And yes, I'll give AUC some love in SLC | 19:37 |
| shamail | Thanks | 19:37 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 19:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 17 19:37:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:37 |
| SWDevAngel | Thank YOU shamail! :) | 19:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-11-17-19.01.html | 19:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-11-17-19.01.txt | 19:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/auc/2016/auc.2016-11-17-19.01.log.html | 19:37 |
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| shamail | Catch you later | 19:37 |
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| dc_mattj | thanks all :) | 19:39 |
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| maishsk | Good evening all - anyone here for the AUC meeting? | 20:02 |
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