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jroll#startmeeting ironci17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Nov 21 17:00:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironci'17:00
jrolldang.17:00
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jroll#endmeeting17:00
NobodyCamlol17:00
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"17:00
openstackMeeting ended Mon Nov 21 17:00:08 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)17:00
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironci/2016/ironci.2016-11-21-17.00.html17:00
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jroll#startmeeting ironic17:00
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironci/2016/ironci.2016-11-21-17.00.txt17:00
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openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironci/2016/ironci.2016-11-21-17.00.log.html17:00
dtantsuro/17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Nov 21 17:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
JayFo/17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'17:00
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rpiosoo/17:00
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jroll\o17:00
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jrollas always the agenda is here17:00
jroll#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting17:00
sambettso/17:00
jroll#topic announcements and reminders17:01
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vdroko/17:01
jrollreminder pike PTG signups are open, and limited to 500 people, so sign up early17:01
jroll#link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/project-teams-gathering-tickets-2754929869417:01
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vdroknova spec on portgroups merged17:01
jrollalso thanksgiving is this week in the US, so expect lots of people off toward end of week17:01
rama_yo/17:02
jrollanything else?17:02
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jroll#topic subteam status reports17:03
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jrollas always those are here17:03
jroll#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard17:03
jrollstarting around line 8417:03
jroll(priorities at line 74)17:03
joannao/17:03
dtantsurI've requested Newton releases for all projects, they'll hopefully be processed soon17:03
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rloothx dtantsur17:03
jrolloh yes, awesome17:04
dtantsuralso Liberty reaches EOL as we speak17:04
rloosambetts, vdrok: is that the LAST ironic spec for portgroups support? /me is getting tired of...17:04
dtantsurlol17:04
vdrokrloo: you mean that update? I think so, yes17:04
vdroks/think/hope17:04
vdrok:D17:04
lucasagomesw00t17:05
rloovdrok: /me hopes too! :)17:05
rloolucasagomes:  is that a cheer for eol'ing liberty?17:05
lucasagomesrloo, for vdrok, but yeah works for liberty as well :-)17:05
rloolucasagomes: :)17:05
dtantsurlucasagomes, don't be too glad, I think we still support it downstream :D17:06
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lucasagomesdtantsur, we do yeah17:06
JayFdtantsur: /o\17:06
rloosambetts: what's the status of the attach/detach patches?17:06
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sambettsNew update for the Ironic side should be going out today :)17:06
rloosambetts: great! thx17:06
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rlooso i guess the deploy steps will be 'on hold' for a few weeks. mat128 is away for a bit but i forgot how long.17:08
jrollyep17:08
jrollthe goal there is just to get the spec done, so I think that will be fine17:08
rloojroll: what are this week's priorities?17:09
jrollrloo: still ingesting all the updates17:10
rloooh yeah, root device hints are done, thx lucasagomes!17:10
lucasagomesyeah, the last bit was only docs :-)17:10
jrollrloo: looks like we could just keep iterating on last week's stuff?17:11
jrolllooks like they all got some action17:11
rloowe could. jroll do you think there will be anything for #5 this week? given your short week etc17:11
jrollrloo: yeah I hope to have a code update today or tomorrow17:11
rloojroll: ok17:12
vdrok#6 should be pretty quick to merge I think17:12
* dtantsur hopes so17:12
jroll+117:12
rlooso i see three? specs that need work: rolling upgrades, ipa REST API, fault support. are they at a state where we could meet to go over them, or should we wait another week or more?17:13
jrollI'm honestly not sure17:14
mariojvi think fault support should wait at least another week17:14
rloook, let's wait then :)17:14
mariojvJayF may correct me :)17:14
JayFI plan on having a reviewable vesion of that up by EOW17:14
JayFalthough I suspect it'll need more than a little review back-and-forth17:14
rlooOk, I'll bring it up again in 2 weeks (if i remember) :)17:15
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jrollcool17:16
jrollanything else on this?17:16
jroll#topic Drop QA/CI meeting and just handle any topics in this meeting?17:17
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jrollshould be super quick17:17
jrollin the QA meeting wednesday we agreed we don't need a separate meeting17:17
jrollcan just use subteam updates and such17:17
jrollany objections here?17:17
rloojroll: did you discuss with john?17:18
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jrollrloo: I have not, good point17:18
jrollwas hoping he'd be here I guess :)17:18
rloojroll: he might be out this whole week17:19
jrollright, I know17:19
rlooi'm fine with dropping it as long as john is :)17:19
jrollif there's no objections here I'll check it with him and then do the thing17:19
jrollI propose we skip it this week thuogh :)17:19
rloo+1 to skipping it!17:19
dtantsurI'm all for it, as I usually cannot make it to the second evening meeting17:19
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jrollkrtaylor: mind sending a skip notice to the ML ?17:20
vdrokyeah, same for me17:20
lucasagomesif the ppl that attend the meeting agrees on dropping it, i've no objections17:20
TheJuliaAll for skipping this week and dropping it since it should bring more clarity to this meeting.17:20
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jrollcool, seems everyone agrees, I'll email john17:21
jrollthanks!17:21
jroll#topic open discussion17:21
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jrollwho's got a thing?17:21
rloojroll: i have something under rfe review17:21
rloo4 things actually17:21
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jrollrloo: they were added within 20 minutes of the meeting, then :/17:21
* jroll refreshes17:21
jroll#topic RFE review17:22
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rloojroll: yeah. my bad. supposed to be 2 days or so before17:22
jrollfire away :)17:22
rlooso i am slowing going through our rfes. checking to see which need specs or not. here are the oldest four i picked to discuss17:22
rloohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/158817717:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1588177 in Ironic "RFE: Allow ilo drivers to choose the ports to be inspected" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Shivanand Tendulker (stendulker)17:22
rlooi don't think it needs a spec but ??17:23
dtantsurI would like it to converted to "Allow to choose the ports to be inspected17:23
dtantsurbecause I just got the same complains about pxe_drac inspection17:23
dtantsurI'm fine with an RFE only as long as its generic and not iLO specific17:23
dtantsurthen, however, it's going to be funny to implement for ironic-inspector (requires API update), but we'll handle it :)17:24
rloodtantsur: makes sense to me.17:24
jrollsounds more like "specify nics to not be managed by ironic", no?17:24
rloodtantsur: the generic part.17:24
rloothe funny part, i dunno. i'm not laughing yet anyway :)17:24
dtantsurjroll, to not present to Nova17:24
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jrolldtantsur: yeah, that too I suppose17:24
dtantsurwe don't "manage" ports IIRC, but nova picks the random one for provisioning17:24
jrollok, agree about generic17:24
sambettswe have the pxe_enabled field now17:25
sambettswe should use those ports17:25
lucasagomes++ for generic... And, should we use the pxe_enabled for it?17:25
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lucasagomessambetts, =+17:25
lucasagomes++*17:25
jrollsambetts: this is about inspection17:25
dtantsursambetts++ does nova always use it?17:25
jrollso that data isn't there yet17:25
jrollright?17:25
lucasagomesdtantsur, not at the moment, I think17:25
jrollthis feature is easy without inspection, the user just doesn't add the ports17:25
dtantsuryep. but inspection adds all ports17:26
pas-hadtantsur: this can be suppressed, right?17:26
dtantsur(except for ironic-inspector which hacks around it, sigh)17:26
jrollright, so pxe_enabled doesn't exist yet, so we can't use it for this17:26
dtantsurpas-ha, for OOB inspection?17:26
pas-haI remember there was something like do not add ports if found new...17:27
pas-haor is it for discovery phase we are talking about?17:27
* jroll comments his thoughts on the rfe17:28
dtantsurpas-ha, I think you're talking about ironic-inspector17:28
dtantsurpas-ha, and here we're discussing OOB inspection as implemented by (at least) pxe_ilo and pxe_drac17:28
pas-haok, now I got this17:29
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sambettsIMO I think inspector should firewall off all ports that have pxe_enabled=False, we can't do anything about ports we don't know about yet17:30
jrollthat's... a different topic, though17:30
lucasagomessambetts, let's keep on topic17:30
lucasagomesotherwise it will go crazy17:30
jrollthis isn't about inspector or existing ports17:30
jrollstill have 3 more RFEs17:30
rlooso do we want a spec? or is it sufficient if they can clarify in the rfe?17:30
jrollanyone disagree on approving a generic version of this one?17:30
* jroll is fine without a spec, if it's generic17:31
lucasagomes++ for generic17:31
sambetts++17:31
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rpioso++ for generic17:31
rloo++17:31
dtantsur++17:31
jrollseems good enough to me17:31
jrollrloo: next!17:31
rloohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/159642117:31
openstackLaunchpad bug 1596421 in Ironic "RFE: Increase size of data base entry for instance_info to allow configdrives larger than 64KiB" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to John L. Villalovos (happycamp)17:31
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NobodyCam++17:31
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rloothere's discussions in that rfe, and patches. but i don't know that we have decided on anything?17:32
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jrolloh did we not?17:32
rloojroll: i don't know. i can't tell from looking at the rfe.17:32
JayFSo I thought the discussion w/r/t solving that problem about configdrive size17:32
JayFwas to stop storing a configdrive at all.17:32
lucasagomesJayF, that's my understanding as well17:33
JayFNo other nova driver stores and re-uses a configdrive on rebuild.17:33
jrollah, yeah, that was a thing17:33
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TheJuliabut our rebuild does not recreate nor offer it upon our rebuild17:33
lucasagomestho... we will need to change our API17:33
JayFIn fact, today, the fact you can't re-pass configdrive into ironic when doing a rebuilt is an API change from other nova drivers on rebuild17:33
lucasagomesto allow rebuild to have a configdrive parameter17:33
TheJuliaerr, our nova driver17:33
JayFlucasagomes: ++17:33
TheJulialucasagomes: ++17:33
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gabriel-bezerrafolks, I'd like some opinion on the discussion started here: https://review.openstack.org/360330/17:34
jrollgabriel-bezerra: please wait for open discussion17:35
gabriel-bezerraoh, sorry17:35
NobodyCamI know folks who have modified ironic to automatically build and attach config drives17:35
jrollTheJulia: JayF: lucasagomes: is there someone that can write down that decision and carry it forward to rfe/spec approval?17:35
JayFjroll: I thought someone had done that, in a bug somewhere17:36
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* JayF looks17:36
gabriel-bezerrai thought I had seen the "open discussion" topic17:36
jrollJayF: not that I'm aware of17:36
sambettsJayF: don't we need to store it at least for the period before we write it to the node??17:36
jrollgabriel-bezerra: yeah, that was a misfire, no worries17:36
TheJuliaJayF: I thought the same had already been done, since there was >1 related bugs17:36
JayFhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/157593517:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1575935 in Ironic "Rebuild should also accept a configdrive" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Stephane Miller (stephaneeee)17:36
TheJuliaWe should unassigns that17:36
TheJuliaunassign17:36
lucasagomesTheJulia, ++17:37
jrollJayF: so we should reject the other rfe and point to that, then17:37
jrollright?17:37
JayF+117:37
jrollok17:37
* jroll has done it17:37
TheJulialucasagomes: removed assignment, since I've talked to cinerama in the past few weeks17:38
jrollwhat's next rloo :)17:38
lucasagomesty17:38
rloohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/159942517:38
openstackLaunchpad bug 1599425 in Ironic "[RFE]: Add few more capabilities to ironic inspection" [Wishlist,Confirmed]17:38
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* dtantsur wants a spec on that17:38
TheJuliaThere already is one if memory serves17:39
dtantsurwe've been way too relaxed with adding capabilities. so now pxe_ilo detects something, ironic-inspector detects something different.17:39
dtantsurand other drivers are probably not detecting any17:39
TheJuliahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/338138/17:39
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rlooTheJulia: oh, that's the spec for that rfe. ok. i'll just tag it as 'needs-spec' then :)17:40
dtantsurright17:40
jroll+117:40
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rloolast but not least and easy i think: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/162610617:40
openstackLaunchpad bug 1626106 in Ironic "[RFE] Install optional dependencies when running unit tests" [Wishlist,Confirmed]17:40
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TheJuliauhhh17:41
TheJuliaJust the title makes me a little concerned17:41
dtantsurlol17:41
dtantsurah, this one. yes17:41
rlooTheJulia: ? bells ringing?17:41
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sambettsIMO third party CI should be covering this17:41
dtantsurwe got a problem when our tests for one of the drivers worked perfectly with mocks, but not with actual thing installed17:41
* jroll doesn't see any reason not to do this17:42
dtantsursambetts, 3rdparty CI to run unit tests?17:42
mgouldso the upside is "catches problems with optional dependencies" and the downside is "will make g-r hate us"?17:42
lucasagomesI think we should just do it17:42
dtantsurmgould, yes17:42
sambettsdtantsur: hmm good point :/17:42
TheJuliadtantsur: that is exactly the reason why to do it17:42
jrollwhy would this make g-r hate us?17:42
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JayFjroll: none of the driver-requirements are in g-r or u-c17:42
rloothis doesn't affect g-r17:42
jrollso?17:42
TheJuliarloo: My only nit would be add "python" to the subject :)17:42
jrollthis has nothing to do with g-r, good or bad17:42
rloowe wouldn't put the driver requirements in g-r17:42
mgouldoh, good, I must have misunderstood rloo's comment17:43
rlooTheJulia: oh. ha ha.17:43
gabriel-bezerrawhat is g-r?17:43
dtantsurjroll, they may pull incompatible requirements to our unit tests17:43
lucasagomesgabriel-bezerra, global requirements17:43
TheJuliaif it was system level packages, I would be very concerned17:43
jrolldtantsur: not if we install them with u-c enabled17:43
jroll:)17:43
mgouldgabriel-bezerra: https://github.com/openstack/requirements#global-requirements-for-openstack-projects17:43
gabriel-bezerrathanks17:43
rlooTheJulia: updated!17:43
dtantsurjroll, if we don't add these requirements to g-r, they may contradict u-c17:43
TheJulia\o/17:43
dtantsurwhich will break our unit tests without ability to recover them17:44
pas-haTheJulia: for system level, there's http://docs.openstack.org/infra/bindep/index.html which I think we want to move to17:44
dtantsurthis is why everything is put into u-c17:44
jrolldtantsur: if that's a real concern, we can keep it non-voting, and file bugs when that happens17:44
mgouldgabriel-bezerra: tl;dr all OpenStack projects must have compatible requirements.txt files17:44
dtantsurjroll, this will work, I guess17:44
gabriel-bezerragot it17:44
pas-hayeah, as non-voting extra unit test job - I'm fine with that17:45
JayFit almost seems like a feature, not a bug17:45
JayFthat it could expose g-r + driver-requirements incompatibilities17:45
mariojv++ ^17:45
jrollJayF: as long as it's non-voting yeah :)17:45
JayFbecause then we can get he maintainers of the requirement to make it compat :)17:45
jrollagree17:45
mariojvmaybe make it voting once all in-tree drivers are compatible17:45
dtantsurmariojv, I doubt it. We don't even have ironic-inspector voting on ironic :D17:46
dtantsur* ironic-inspector job17:46
jrollok, any objections to approve it?17:46
TheJuliaNone here17:46
dtantsur++ for approving17:47
lucasagomesnop17:47
rloothx all. that wasn't too painful. i'm going to add 10 next time (j/k)17:47
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jrollawesome17:48
TheJuliarloo: just add one per week ;)17:48
jrollopen discussion?17:48
dtantsurthanks rloo, this is useful17:48
rloook, 4 or fewer :)17:48
TheJuliaopen discussion would be good, I think gabriel-bezerra had a question17:48
gabriel-bezerraAs I would introduce earlier, I'd like some opinion on this: https://review.openstack.org/360330/17:48
gabriel-bezerrathe point is: oneview needs the machine to be turned off for it to set the boot device17:49
jroll#topic open discussion17:49
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gabriel-bezerraagent driver tries to set the device while it is turned on17:49
gabriel-bezerra2 ways to fix it: change the agent driver or change oneview driver set-boot-device to shut the machine off17:49
gabriel-bezerrathat patch goes the second way17:50
jrollwhat's the reasoning behind the first?17:50
TheJuliaSo I think this is a oneview centric thing, so it seems like it would need to be addressed in the oneview driver17:50
rloocan't we make it generic? add some flag to driver_info?17:51
mariojvi agree with TheJulia, without having read the code. is there any disadvantage to the second option?17:51
gabriel-bezerrathe first: changing the agent to turn the amchine off before changing the boot device?17:51
sambettsI would suggest if you need to change the order of operations in the agent deploy interface you inherit it and create a oneviewagentdeployinterface17:51
gabriel-bezerrajroll:   ^17:51
rlooanyway, what's the question? how to address it?17:51
jrollgabriel-bezerra: yeah, what would be the advantage of that?17:51
TheJuliathe second option also allows the oneview driver to error if a user tries to explicitly change the boot device via the api, which right now, I guess would silently fail...17:51
gabriel-bezerrawe have a klugde today that we inherit the driver and copy-paste most of the code17:52
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gabriel-bezerrawhenever it changes, our driver breaks together17:52
jrollO_o17:52
TheJuliagabriel-bezerra: so that seems like a second problem we need to solve as well17:53
sambettsthe problem I see with the existing patch is that if we change the agent driver to do a inband operation after setting the boot device then it'll break because you've powered off the node17:53
lucasagomesgabriel-bezerra, if you set the boot device when the machine is on it fails ? Or it suceeds and it gets applied later after the machine reboots ?17:53
gabriel-bezerrai mean.. part of the agent code is copy-pasted, so that we put the shut off code there17:53
gabriel-bezerrayes17:53
gabriel-bezerralucasagomes: it fails17:53
lucasagomeshmm17:53
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jrollsambetts: I don't see us doing that though :P17:53
gabriel-bezerraanother option i'd put is: add a hook to the agent driver and we could just put the shut off there.17:54
lucasagomesgabriel-bezerra, what if you save the choosen boot device inside driver_internal_info and applies it when the machine is powered off ?17:54
lucasagomesso ironic can lazily do it for oneview (instead of relying on the hardware for it)17:54
vdrokyep, we do it for ipmitool17:54
lucasagomespower_off() -> checks if there's a pending boot device -> applies/skip -> power off17:54
lucasagomesI mean power off -> apply/skip17:55
gabriel-bezerrasounds like an option17:55
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lucasagomessounds better than doing a hard power off when you call "node-set-boot-device" for me17:55
TheJuliaI guess driver specific docs could highlight that difference if a user tries to explicitly set the boot device17:56
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gabriel-bezerrasomething the patch shows is: even shutting the machine off during a set-boot-device, all tempest tests pass..17:57
gabriel-bezerrathe patch doesn't bring it back to the previous state17:57
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gabriel-bezerraseems like all use cases so far for setting boot devices is followed by a reboot or power on17:58
jrollexcept the api :)17:58
gabriel-bezerra.. or that is obvious, and I'm just saing bs here17:58
gabriel-bezerrayeah..17:58
gabriel-bezerra:)17:58
jrollyeah, idk if I have a good answer, need to think on this more17:59
jrolland time is up17:59
vdroksmall review request - couple of small patches - https://review.openstack.org/396355, if you have some time17:59
jrollto gabriel-bezerra's patch!17:59
jrollthanks y'all17:59
jroll#endmeeting17:59
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gabriel-bezerrathank you17:59
lucasagomesgabriel-bezerra, I will comment on the patch17:59
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