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| tonyb | #startmeeting stable | 10:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 28 10:00:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 10:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 10:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: stable)" | 10:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'stable' | 10:00 |
| tonyb | Anyone around for the newly rescheduled and revitalised stable team meeting? | 10:01 |
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| apevec | o/ | 10:01 |
| tonyb | apevec: Howdy | 10:01 |
| apevec | tonyb, good evening? | 10:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 10:01 |
| tonyb | ttx: hi there | 10:01 |
| tonyb | apevec: Yeah 2100 here | 10:02 |
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| tonyb | apevec: hopefully closer to noon for you | 10:02 |
| tonyb | (and ttx) | 10:02 |
| apevec | yep 11am | 10:02 |
| tonyb | \o/ | 10:03 |
| tonyb | Lets get started | 10:03 |
| tonyb | #topic status | 10:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status (Meeting topic: stable)" | 10:03 | |
| tonyb | #link http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/g/build_queue/periodic-stable | 10:03 |
| tonyb | networking-odl, networking-midonet, heat are all failing | 10:04 |
| apevec | midonet jobs should be removed | 10:04 |
| tonyb | I think they all have inflight fixes so hopefully this time next week we'll be back to the "rock solid" we've come to knwo and live this cycle | 10:04 |
| apevec | yep | 10:05 |
| tonyb | apevec: Oh? They're working on a fix | 10:05 |
| apevec | ah them I'm out of date :) | 10:05 |
| apevec | I thought they did not branch newton yet | 10:05 |
| tonyb | apevec: Well ihar sent them a polite email saying ... "is there anybody out there" | 10:05 |
| tonyb | apevec: Ahh okay | 10:06 |
| apevec | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402334/ | 10:06 |
| tonyb | apevec: that's a point I'll check for that thing after we EOL liberty | 10:06 |
| tonyb | apevec: Ahh okay I see, only the *newton* jobs that makes more sense | 10:07 |
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| apevec | thread that Ihar started continued: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/107946.html | 10:07 |
| apevec | it ended up w/ question for release team about branching procedure | 10:08 |
| apevec | ttx, ^ | 10:08 |
| ttx | yeah, I wanted to wait until dhellmann was back to discuss the details | 10:08 |
| apevec | ack | 10:08 |
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| tonyb | Hmm somehow I only saw the first message in the thread | 10:09 |
| * tonyb will need to adjust workflow .... | 10:09 | |
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| tonyb | Anything else for status? | 10:11 |
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| tonyb | #topic Action items | 10:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items (Meeting topic: stable)" | 10:12 | |
| tonyb | move this meeting ... check :D | 10:12 |
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| tonyb | #topic Liberty EOL starting | 10:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty EOL starting (Meeting topic: stable)" | 10:13 | |
| tonyb | So last week I sent the lists out of EOL vs non-EOL repos: | 10:13 |
| tonyb | #link https://gist.github.com/tbreeds/93cd346c37aa46269456f56649f0a4ac#file-liberty_eol_data-txt-L1 | 10:13 |
| tonyb | #link https://gist.github.com/tbreeds/93cd346c37aa46269456f56649f0a4ac#file-liberty_eol_data-txt-L182 | 10:14 |
| tonyb | This week I'll start doign the Abandons and tagging (with infra's help) | 10:14 |
| tonyb | Do eitehr of you see anything strange in the first list? | 10:15 |
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| tonyb | It's harder to un-EOL a repo than to EOL one later ;P | 10:15 |
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| ttx | tonyb: you're EOLing non-official stuff too ? | 10:15 |
| tonyb | .... Oh glance, would like to be EOL'd late this week as they have an important chnage they'd like in liberty | 10:16 |
| apevec | networking-* might need double-check, since they've stadium/non-stadium varieties... | 10:17 |
| tonyb | ttx: Yes, it's my understanding that that make things better for infra. | 10:17 |
| tonyb | apevec: okay. I | 10:17 |
| tonyb | ll poke armax / and Ihar before I do those. | 10:17 |
| apevec | I think GBP projects complained last time? | 10:17 |
| tonyb | last time Ihar opted them in | 10:17 |
| ttx | nothing jumps to me as wrong (beyond the pile of non-official projects | 10:17 |
| ttx | ) | 10:18 |
| tonyb | apevec: Yes, that was becasue I said I wouldn't EOL them and then did ... because of a process failure. | 10:18 |
| apevec | ok, you have *group-based-policy* on the 2nd (not yet) list | 10:18 |
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| tonyb | apevec: they also have a repo in the first list ... I shoudl double check | 10:19 |
| apevec | ah yes, I missed that one | 10:19 |
| tonyb | apevec: One issue is the GBP gate will be b0rked once we EOL devstack and requirements | 10:19 |
| apevec | yeah, they should be aware of that | 10:20 |
| apevec | btw why deb-* want to keep EOL branch? | 10:20 |
| tonyb | apevec: Well they're not getting EOLd or do you mean those tools will fall over once e EOL the branch? | 10:21 |
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| apevec | yeah, I wonder how they'll keep it working | 10:22 |
| apevec | also I thought they started later then liberty | 10:22 |
| apevec | zigo, ^ | 10:23 |
| apevec | (we can take it offline) | 10:23 |
| tonyb | apevec: spot checking openstack/deb-nova | 10:23 |
| tonyb | balder:deb-nova tony8129$ gti branch -va | grep liberty remotes/gerrit/stable/liberty 090bff7 Add error handling for delete-volume API remotes/origin/stable/liberty 090bff7 Add error handling for delete-volume API | 10:23 |
| tonyb | balder:deb-nova tony8129$ | 10:23 |
| apevec | tonyb, that's b/c they cloned nova ? | 10:24 |
| tonyb | apevec: I think the repos have been on debian infra for $long_time but they took a while to be cloned in to our infra which caused a small problem about 6 months ago | 10:24 |
| apevec | deb work is in debian/* | 10:24 |
| apevec | stable/* are just upstream clones afaict | 10:25 |
| apevec | in deb-* | 10:25 |
| tonyb | apevec: Ahh yes so they are | 10:25 |
| tonyb | I need to check for debian/* | 10:25 |
| apevec | so they should be removed imho | 10:25 |
| apevec | to avoid confusion | 10:25 |
| apevec | also debian/newton is the only branch | 10:25 |
| tonyb | so in this case there isn't a debian/liberty so it shouldn't be a problem | 10:25 |
| apevec | yeap, but let's hear from zigo to confirm | 10:26 |
| tonyb | apevec: Yeah I'll try again | 10:26 |
| tonyb | (to reach him) | 10:26 |
| tonyb | Once the liberty EOL is done I intend to find all the older branches that are still around and try to get permission to clean them up | 10:28 |
| tonyb | and after that look for $repos that have mitaka and master branches but no newton branch | 10:28 |
| tonyb | any other thoughts on EOLing / cleaning up? | 10:30 |
| ttx | nope | 10:30 |
| apevec | nope | 10:30 |
| tonyb | \o/ | 10:30 |
| tonyb | #topic Open discussion | 10:31 |
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| ttx | o/ | 10:31 |
| tonyb | ttx: shoot | 10:31 |
| ttx | Wanted to raise that the release team is interested in having more stable release managers | 10:31 |
| ttx | Basically we can give anyone you bless +2 to the openstack/releases repo | 10:32 |
| tonyb | ttx: Ahh so last week apevec and I discussed him doing just that thing | 10:32 |
| ttx | Since we require +2 from a stable team member anyway | 10:32 |
| tonyb | ttx: I was goign to bring it up with dhellmann | 10:32 |
| tonyb | ttx: I was thinking we'd start with one and test the process / tools and then maybe add a 3rd | 10:33 |
| ttx | sounds like The idea is that the person would agree to only work on stable/* releases | 10:33 |
| ttx | (or would decide to join the releas eteam proper if they want to do more) | 10:33 |
| tonyb | ttx: IIRC we were goign to use the honor system rather than complex gerrit ACLs | 10:33 |
| ttx | yep | 10:33 |
| tonyb | cool | 10:33 |
| ttx | Just to let you know that I checked and the Gerrit group is already there | 10:34 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/977,members | 10:34 |
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| ttx | ready to add individual members :) | 10:34 |
| tonyb | ttx: awesome! I was just checking that part | 10:35 |
| apevec | ack, I'm fine w/ honor system (and I was in Release Mangers before based on the same system) | 10:35 |
| ttx | tonyb: do you need to stay in the "release managers" group ? Probably if you want to create some tags/branches | 10:35 |
| ttx | (to do EOLing) | 10:36 |
| ttx | at least until we automate that :) | 10:36 |
| tonyb | ttx: Yup automation all the way! | 10:36 |
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| tonyb | ttx: I'm not sure about what permissions I need. I guess that's a discussion to bring fungi in on | 10:37 |
| ttx | tonyb: let's keep it the current way | 10:38 |
| tonyb | ttx: Sounds good. We can re-assess at the PTG ;P | 10:39 |
| tonyb | #action tonyb to talk to dhellmann about adding apevec to releases-core for stable approvals | 10:40 |
| tonyb | anything else? | 10:41 |
| ttx | nothing from me | 10:41 |
| apevec | I'm good | 10:41 |
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| vgridnev | hello, meeting still in the progress? I were asking to help with removing icehouse branches, anyone can help? | 10:41 |
| vgridnev | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/107754.html | 10:41 |
| tonyb | vgridnev: Sure I have an item for December to find those things and clean them up | 10:42 |
| tonyb | vgridnev: I can start with yours if you like :) | 10:42 |
| vgridnev | cool tonyb, thanks | 10:43 |
| tonyb | vgridnev: you're very welcome | 10:43 |
| tonyb | I wanted to float the idea of includeing constraints support as a pre-req for the stable:follows-policy tag | 10:43 |
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| tonyb | I think it's reasonable to include it by way of the active-maintence clauses | 10:44 |
| tonyb | #link http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html#active-maintenance | 10:44 |
| tonyb | My rationale is that projects that do that thing really are co-installable and generally easier to take care of | 10:45 |
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| tonyb | thoughts? | 10:45 |
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| apevec | sounds good | 10:47 |
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| tonyb | If there isn't anything else I'll give y'all back 12 mins :) | 10:49 |
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| tonyb | Thanks everyone | 10:50 |
| tonyb | #endmeeting | 10:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 10:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 28 10:50:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-11-28-10.00.html | 10:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-11-28-10.00.txt | 10:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2016/stable.2016-11-28-10.00.log.html | 10:50 |
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| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 28 17:00:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| xek | o/ | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:00 |
| aarefiev | o/ | 17:01 |
| xavierr | o/ | 17:01 |
| yuriyz|2 | o/ | 17:01 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:01 |
| JayF | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | hey everyone :) | 17:01 |
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| rajinir | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | #topic announcements and reminders | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements and reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | #info don't forget to sign up for the PTG | 17:01 |
| jroll | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/project-teams-gathering-tickets-27549298694 | 17:01 |
| rama_y | o/ | 17:01 |
| stendulker | o/ | 17:01 |
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| * jroll has no other announcements or reminders, does anyone else have one? | 17:02 | |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:02 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:03 |
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| vgadiraj | o/ | 17:03 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:03 |
| jroll | #topic subteam status reports | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:03 | |
| jroll | as always, those are here: | 17:04 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:04 |
| jroll | line 70 this time | 17:04 |
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| joanna | o/ | 17:04 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: how far behind are you with bug triaging? should we hold some bug-triage-thing? | 17:05 |
| jroll | #info dtantsur needs help with bug triage, volunteers very welcome | 17:05 |
| rloo | ^^ volunteers would be great | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | rloo, I've not done essentially anything for a while. and probably won't be able any soon. | 17:05 |
| jroll | looks like we're making good progress on lots of this stuff | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | at least cleaning up "New" and checking health of "In Progress" things | 17:06 |
| JayF | I don't want to become sole person in charge, but I'd be glad to help generally with bug triage | 17:06 |
| rloo | dtantsur: so it'd be good to have a volunteer catch up and keep an eye on new ones | 17:06 |
| rloo | thx JayF!!! | 17:06 |
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| lucasagomes | I'm adding it to my list, tomorrow I'll help triage some of these bugs | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | JayF, lucasagomes, feel free to check any of these 42 new bugs | 17:06 |
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| vgadiraj | I'm down to spend some time helping with bug triage. I am new but if I could be of help, I'll be glad to contribute. | 17:07 |
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| dtantsur | thanks all! | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | vgadiraj, sure thing and welcome :-) | 17:09 |
| jroll | thank you all :) | 17:09 |
| rloo | I see that we have 5? specs that need reviews. Are any at the point where spending eg 1 hour will get it done? | 17:10 |
| jroll | I haven't looked lately, but wonder if rolling upgrades is at that point | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | might be | 17:11 |
| rloo | jroll: oh, i skimmed the latest revision but it looks close. | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | jroll: I have been away from the rolling upgrade testing work for about the last two weeks. Starting to work on it again now. | 17:11 |
| rloo | xek: what do you think? | 17:11 |
| yuriyz|2 | is there a list of spec with high priority? | 17:11 |
| jroll | jlvillal: yeah, wondering about the spec :) | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | jroll: Not sure on the rolling upgrade development work. | 17:11 |
| rloo | yuriyz|2: i am looking at the subteam reports, where they say spec needs reviews. | 17:11 |
| jroll | yuriyz|2: also http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/priorities/ocata-priorities.html#smaller-things and anything on that page without the spec merged | 17:12 |
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| jroll | ok, so I trimmed up the priorities for the week a bit | 17:13 |
| jroll | anything that feels missing there? maybe the next driver comp patch? | 17:13 |
| * gabriel-bezerra wondering about the status of events from neutron stuff | 17:13 | |
| dtantsur | jroll, yes please | 17:13 |
| jroll | dtantsur: the move node_create thing, yes? | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | jroll, yep | 17:14 |
| jroll | or maybe just both | 17:14 |
| jroll | thanks | 17:14 |
| JayF | It's not urgent, and probably shoulnd't go on this weeks' priorities | 17:14 |
| dtantsur | I've just finished another huge patch, but let's start with node_create | 17:14 |
| JayF | but the specific-faults spec is "close enough" to get some design input from others before it goes too much further | 17:14 |
| JayF | so I don't think it should be added to that list, but if anyone wants to take a look it'd be helpful | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | link? | 17:15 |
| JayF | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334113/ | 17:15 |
| * dtantsur adds to his todo list for tomorrow | 17:15 | |
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| jroll | rloo ran away before RFE review, heh | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | heh | 17:16 |
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| jroll | anything else here before that? | 17:16 |
| jroll | #topic RFE review | 17:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFE review (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:16 | |
| jroll | rloo: hey :) | 17:16 |
| yuriyz|2 | if we move node create to conductor looks like we should have start-end-fail notifications schema in this case | 17:16 |
| yuriyz|2 | what you think? | 17:16 |
| lucasagomes | yuriyz|2, ++ (but it's out of topic) | 17:17 |
| jroll | yuriyz|2: let's take it to the patch :) | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | yuriyz|2++ | 17:17 |
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| yuriyz|2 | agree will prepare spec change | 17:17 |
| rloo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1630442 | 17:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1630442 in Ironic "[RFE] FSM event for skipping automatic cleaning" [Wishlist,New] - Assigned to Varun Gadiraju (varun-gadiraju) | 17:17 |
| rloo | so, does that need a spec? ^^ | 17:17 |
| jroll | I think so, it's changing the state machine (which usually requires a spec yes?) | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | ++ for usually requires | 17:18 |
| rloo | i'm not even sure we need it ? | 17:18 |
| * dtantsur also thinks that "skip" is a horrible name for a transition | 17:18 | |
| rloo | so folks think the idea has merit, just needs spec? | 17:18 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: ++ | 17:18 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, usually when it touches the FSM we require a spec | 17:18 |
| yuriyz|2 | ++ | 17:18 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: ++ on the name thing | 17:18 |
| lucasagomes | I think we should have a spec for this case | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | rloo, how to put it.. I'd not reject it right away before hearing their use case. | 17:18 |
| jroll | rloo: I'm not sure we need it either, but I'm willing to hear it out | 17:18 |
| jroll | dtantsur: ++ | 17:18 |
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| rloo | ok thx. | 17:19 |
| rloo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1633299 | 17:19 |
| lucasagomes | and I kinda like the simplicity of always transitioning through all the states (even if it's no-op, like cleaning in this case) | 17:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1633299 in Ironic "[RFE] Overcloud deploy resiliency " [Undecided,New] | 17:19 |
| lucasagomes | not sure if we will discuss it here tho | 17:19 |
| jroll | I'd like to rename this one before doing anything with it :P | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:19 |
| jroll | I'm inclined to say this isn't impossible in the general case and reject it on that premise | 17:20 |
| TheJulia | agreed, this seems like several issues rolled into one | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | I don't know what to do about this request (as you can guess it's not the first time I hear it) | 17:20 |
| jroll | isn't possible**** | 17:20 |
| JayF | Yeah, I'm thinking that RFE is difficult/impossible for Ironic | 17:21 |
| rloo | this is like an ops thing. can we make it easier/better for them? documentation? | 17:21 |
| JayF | unless you have a BMC that can somehow confirm, in a way that ironic can detect, that a reboot has actually happened | 17:21 |
| vgadiraj | rloo: I assigned bug 1630442 to myself months ago when I was looking for something to contribute on, let me move it to unassigned. | 17:21 |
| openstack | bug 1630442 in Ironic "[RFE] FSM event for skipping automatic cleaning" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1630442 - Assigned to Varun Gadiraju (varun-gadiraju) | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | maybe we should reduce the timeout when we wait for the first heartbeat | 17:21 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, specially with network segragation. If wasn't for that a simple ping test could be used | 17:21 |
| rloo | thx vgadiraj | 17:21 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: ping test makes lots of really bad assumptions | 17:21 |
| sambetts | lucasagomes: ++ | 17:21 |
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| jroll | well, the RFE is to ensure that the instance booted properly | 17:22 |
| jroll | which yeah, I agree isn't really possible | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, right, totally. But, it would be better than having no check at all | 17:22 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: is it Ironic's problem, and should a node not go active, if a deployer chooses to deploy an image which doesn't setup netowkr? or firewalls by default? | 17:22 |
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| dtantsur | our pingtest is heartbeat | 17:22 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: I think a bad check is 100x worse than no check at all | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, would be possible to somehow tell neutron to perfom a ping test (in the network segregation case) for us ? | 17:22 |
| jroll | dtantsur: heartbeat is outside of "make sure the instance booted correctly", though | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | maybe we should try rebooting if we don't receive a heartbeat in e.g. 20 minutes? | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | ah, the instance | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, right | 17:22 |
| * dtantsur confused this with another complain | 17:22 | |
| JayF | Right now we make no guarantees, I think that's the sanest way to remain. Some higher-level function (like OOO?) coulduse something like pingchecking to trigger a redo | 17:22 |
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| lucasagomes | JayF, let's maybe keep it as a "generic" test... I think the main problem with this RFE is that we don't have a way to ironic reach the node after the deployment | 17:23 |
| rloo | hmm. if we provided some generic step/hook so the operator could specify what tests to run to test if it booted up... ? | 17:23 |
| jroll | as much as I wish we could do this, we honestly can't do it in a way that works in all cases | 17:23 |
| TheJulia | JayF: That is my feeling as well | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | if we get pass that we could perform <some> test to make sure it has booted | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | well, it can just as well happen outside of ironic, right? | 17:23 |
| JayF | dtantsur: exactly. | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | run test, tear down and reschedule the node if it fails | 17:24 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, could yeah | 17:24 |
| sambetts | +1 | 17:24 |
| JayF | And since seeing if the node is 'up' is completely image/deploy/node independent | 17:24 |
| rloo | well, if you are using ironic via nova? | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | rloo, tripleo does | 17:24 |
| JayF | I think it's difficult/impossible for Ironic to tackle generically. | 17:24 |
| rloo | this seems maybe? worthy of a design session... | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | I think it belongs to triple-heat-templates. maybe wrap Nova resource into something running the validation | 17:25 |
| TheJulia | I think this is really a problem that can only be implemented from nova up. But I do't think the schematics exist for "I've started and now I need to reschedule" | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | I'd not do something in ironic that is just as easy to implement outside of ironic.. | 17:26 |
| TheJulia | I don't think we can without the ability to support rescheduling | 17:26 |
| TheJulia | and knowing what the user wanted to schedule on precisely | 17:26 |
| * JayF notes that him and TheJulia, the two most operator-ish folks in this meeting, both think implementing this RFE is hard/impossible to do in ironic | 17:26 | |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, I agree in parts, even outside ironic, I don't think it's easy | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | right, rescheduling is our of question completely | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | * out | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, the node will go to active first then gets reschedule, it's kinda odd | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | well, outside of ironic, you can delete the nova instance, (optionally move node to maintenance) and create it again | 17:27 |
| jroll | so, sounds like we should reject this yes? | 17:27 |
| sambetts | How does nova handle it if you try to boot an image that doesn't boot successfully? | 17:27 |
| lucasagomes | sambetts, good q, idk either | 17:27 |
| JayF | sambetts: nova agent is how we did it at Rackspace | 17:28 |
| jroll | sambetts: it goes to active, boots the vm | 17:28 |
| jroll | does nothing else for you | 17:28 |
| JayF | sambetts: IDK if that was upstream or not, but downstream at Rackspace we had a nova-agent callback | 17:28 |
| TheJulia | jroll: I agree we should reject it | 17:28 |
| JayF | ++ Reject | 17:28 |
| sambetts | me too | 17:28 |
| gabriel-bezerra | how about the '1) The node just doesn't reboot (seen on HP, Dell and Supermicro)' part? | 17:29 |
| JayF | gabriel-bezerra: that, I think, is a lot more interesting | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | gabriel-bezerra, this bit can be converted to a bug | 17:29 |
| jroll | well, we use power off/on now, so hopefully that's mitigated | 17:29 |
| jroll | but yeah, sounds like a bug | 17:29 |
| JayF | jroll: don't we also have an in-band reboot option? | 17:29 |
| lucasagomes | yeah | 17:29 |
| jroll | JayF: in-band power off | 17:29 |
| JayF | jroll: aha | 17:30 |
| jroll | and then bmc poll until off | 17:30 |
| gabriel-bezerra | I wonder if it is a soft-power-off vs press-and-hold issue | 17:30 |
| TheJulia | There is a possibility the BMC may have decided to go on a vacation at this point and there is not much we can do then. | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia++ this happens way too often | 17:30 |
| JayF | TheJulia: dtantsur: or even a crazy saturated BMC network problem or similar ... ipmi is udp :x | 17:31 |
| TheJulia | JayF: That also is a possibility | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | yeah. if BMC is not reliable, we can't do much | 17:32 |
| jroll | okay, I've marked this wontfix with a message | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 17:32 |
| jroll | rloo: what's next? | 17:32 |
| rloo | did you see comment #1, about provisioning network? | 17:32 |
| * dtantsur probably participated in the discussion resulting in this comment | 17:32 | |
| jroll | rloo: what about it? | 17:32 |
| rloo | dtantsur: if that looks familiar to you, maybe you could comment. | 17:32 |
| rloo | jroll: the idea about keeping provisioning network around | 17:33 |
| jroll | rloo: that's a massive security issue | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | rloo, I didn't like the idea back then, nor do I like it now | 17:33 |
| rloo | jroll: right. which they mention too. | 17:33 |
| rloo | jroll: just wanted us to give our opinion on it :) | 17:33 |
| rloo | ok, next up | 17:33 |
| * lucasagomes doesn't like it either | 17:33 | |
| rloo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1633756 | 17:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1633756 in ironic-lib "RFE: Add initial static type hint checking support" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to John L. Villalovos (happycamp) | 17:33 |
| jroll | rloo: IMO it isn't acceptable | 17:33 |
| jroll | ok | 17:33 |
| rloo | i think jlvillal mentioned it at the summit | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | the "best" way I can think of, is if neutron could perform a test for us in any of the networks | 17:34 |
| jlvillal | :) | 17:34 |
| * lucasagomes is moving on | 17:34 | |
| jroll | I think I stated my feelings on this at the summit, I don't think it's a very good use of our time, but not going to block it myself | 17:34 |
| rloo | but i don't recall what we decided | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | I don't think it needs a spec | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | seems straight forward | 17:34 |
| JayF | I sorta wonder what's the point of this, especially if it's not going to be openstack-wide | 17:34 |
| lucasagomes | and agree with jroll about priority | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | I'm with jroll and JayF on it | 17:34 |
| jlvillal | It is low on my priority list. But hope to get more time to play around with it in my spare time. | 17:35 |
| jroll | JayF: helps us avoid a certain class of bugs | 17:35 |
| JayF | Is there any movement to get this sort of type checking in any other OpenStack project? | 17:35 |
| JayF | I'm just curious if this is something we should do at a larger-than-single-project level, if it gets done | 17:35 |
| rloo | JayF: movement sometimes starts with one ball rolling | 17:35 |
| jlvillal | I don't know. Someone has to be first. | 17:35 |
| jroll | not that I'm aware of | 17:35 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, we could start the trendy :-) | 17:35 |
| jroll | but yeah, this sort of thing would prove it out | 17:35 |
| JayF | Then I'm with the other opinions of "I don't personally care, but don't wanna block either" | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | worth at least raising to other folks | 17:35 |
| rloo | unless folks are against it, why don't we approve and see what (if anything) happens | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | my only concern is whether it's going to bloat the code and confuse contributors | 17:36 |
| jroll | idk, I think as a 'thing to play with' there's plenty of other python projects to play with this in | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | I'm not sure I'd like to -1 patches from newcomers saying "please add static type hints" | 17:36 |
| * dtantsur already does it for release notes often enough | 17:36 | |
| jroll | dtantsur: yep, that's a good point | 17:36 |
| jlvillal | I'm hoping that this will catch some bugs and improve code quality. Once it is implemented. | 17:37 |
| lucasagomes | overall I think knowing what the method returns/receive kinda helps with code quality and understand of it | 17:37 |
| jlvillal | Hard to say though, until the work is done. | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, tbh I'm not convinced that a substantial share of our bugs is due to wrong type sent in or out the call | 17:37 |
| jlvillal | Could be. I'm not sure. | 17:38 |
| rloo | do we want to vote? i love votes :) | 17:38 |
| TheJulia | Maybe we bless it for ironic-lib, and kind of see where it goes? | 17:38 |
| TheJulia | rloo: only if it is not a boolean voting option :) | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, my only question is: are we going to require it for all patches from now on? | 17:39 |
| rloo | I like TheJulia's idea too. start with ironic-lib. | 17:39 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: I don't think so, but maybe add a test in eventually | 17:39 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: we'd only require it if we felt like it was worthwhile. | 17:39 |
| TheJulia | that way we self-require later on | 17:39 |
| NobodyCam | who is going to do the first retrofit | 17:39 |
| TheJulia | IF we see value | 17:39 |
| gabriel-bezerra | IIRC, it is optional even for the checker | 17:39 |
| jlvillal | I don't think we would require initially. See what happens. Is it worthwhile. | 17:40 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i think after ironic-lib is done, we can evaluate it and decide then. | 17:40 |
| JayF | NobodyCam: the RFE was filed by jlvillal, and aiui he's the most interested party | 17:40 |
| * dtantsur is fine with that | 17:40 | |
| NobodyCam | okay :) | 17:40 |
| jlvillal | I would do the work. Though it is not at the top of my priority list either. | 17:40 |
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| jlvillal | As there are much more important things to work on. | 17:40 |
| jlvillal | More of a spare time thing for me. | 17:40 |
| jroll | okay, if others are fine, I'm fine | 17:40 |
| * jlvillal needs to find more interesting things to do on weekends ;) | 17:41 | |
| rloo | sounds good. thx all. one more ... | 17:41 |
| rloo | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1634118 | 17:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1634118 in Ironic "[RFE] Auto cleaning after instance deletions: secure and non-secure projects" [Undecided,New] | 17:41 |
| jroll | jlvillal: fyi left a comment on that RFE about it being approved for ironic-lib only | 17:41 |
| jlvillal | jroll: Thanks | 17:41 |
| yuriyz|2 | there is not support now on keystone side | 17:42 |
| jroll | rloo: I think for me this one is similar to the state machine rfe, I don't like it but willing to hear it out in a spec | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | hmm, so it boils down to selecting clean steps for automated cleaning, right? | 17:42 |
| TheJulia | I'm really not a fan of having any concept of classification of data, because people misclassify data all the time | 17:42 |
| jroll | my biggest problem is the ironic operator setting it | 17:42 |
| lucasagomes | but we can do it already, with priorities ? | 17:42 |
| jroll | rather than the project/user themselves | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | not sure if I grasp the RFE correctly | 17:43 |
| JayF | I'm really nervous about adding more knobs to disable automated cleaning, because I think it adds more ambiguity around data security and guarantees | 17:43 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: this is per-tenant decision | 17:43 |
| jroll | JayF: ++ | 17:43 |
| lucasagomes | ohh | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | jroll, which brings us back to passing complex data from nova :D | 17:43 |
| yuriyz|2 | we should have keystone project metadata (not present now) | 17:43 |
| jroll | dtantsur: :| | 17:43 |
| xavierr | JayF++ | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | JayF, actually I thought about proposing removing automated_clean option.. I hate that TripleO disabled it. | 17:43 |
| rloo | yuriyz|2: keystone project == based on the tenant of the instance? | 17:43 |
| * dtantsur wants to see a spec for sure | 17:43 | |
| TheJulia | JayF: +1000 | 17:44 |
| yuriyz|2 | tenant based | 17:44 |
| JayF | My suggestion to whoever wrote this RFE: Write a custom hardware manager | 17:44 |
| JayF | that skips cleaning based on some metadata on the node, or on disk | 17:44 |
| rloo | JayF: yuriyz|2 proposed it | 17:44 |
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| JayF | rather than adding another mechanism to ironic to skip cleaning steps and make whether cleaning happened more ambiguous | 17:44 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, I agree with it | 17:44 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: with me or with the rfe? | 17:44 |
| lucasagomes | with you | 17:44 |
| JayF | cool, ty :D | 17:44 |
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| rloo | yuriyz|2: you have a usecase for that? | 17:45 |
| jroll | so, reject or hear this out in a spec? | 17:45 |
| lucasagomes | having N interfaces to disable/enable the same things sounds like a bad UX, terrible for troubleshooting as well | 17:45 |
| yuriyz|2 | now no this is not my priority currently | 17:46 |
| TheJulia | I'm with JayF, I just think it is asking for trouble to have more knobs and to expect each tenant to be setup correctly with some sort of metadata eventually. I would immediately see operators demand an override knob. | 17:46 |
| JayF | I mean, I am -1 to the RFE as written, and am skeptical that a spec could change my mind | 17:46 |
| * dtantsur remembers that we have an RFE now to skip only in-band cleaning.. which adds even more mess to the picture. | 17:46 | |
| jroll | dtantsur: @_@ | 17:46 |
| rloo | ok. yuriyz|2 said it isn't a priority so even if we ask for a spec, it probalby won't happen soon. why don't we reject and someone can bring it up again if they need/want it | 17:46 |
| jroll | rloo++ | 17:46 |
| rloo | you ok with that yuriyz|2? | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | jroll, I've requested a spec on that... but I don't believe it's going to land | 17:46 |
| yuriyz|2 | agree | 17:46 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, hah | 17:46 |
| TheJulia | I'm for rejecting as well. | 17:47 |
| rloo | thx yuriyz|2 and everyone else. That's it for my 4 today :) | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | jroll, what I would love to see though, is conductor not starting IPA if all requested *manual* clean steps are OOB | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | but this is offtopic | 17:47 |
| * rloo passes the baton back to jroll | 17:47 | |
| gabriel-bezerra | i don't think the tenant is the place for this. even within a single tenant there might be classified and unclassified instances. | 17:47 |
| jroll | thanks rloo | 17:47 |
| jroll | rloo: are you marking that rejected then? | 17:47 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: thank you for this section! | 17:47 |
| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:47 |
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| jroll | anybody have a thing? | 17:47 |
| rloo | jroll: yeah, i'm going to go through them all and make sure they're marked or whatever | 17:47 |
| jroll | cool, thanks | 17:48 |
| JayF | dtantsur: that sounds sorta like a bug to me, presuming you can specify interfaces in manual cleaning (i.e. rather than just assuming a step existing in OOB precludes it from existing IB) | 17:48 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: yw :) | 17:49 |
| * jroll waits a minute | 17:49 | |
| krtaylor | sorry if it was already discussed, just wanted to make sure all ( jlvillal ) are ok with mering ironic-qa back into this meeting and handling the work via subteam reports | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | JayF, yeah.. we have this problem with drac RAID which is fully OOB | 17:49 |
| xavierr | do we have a topic for 3rd party CI? | 17:49 |
| jroll | krtaylor: oh yeah, jlvillal pinged me this morning | 17:49 |
| jlvillal | I am okay with canceling the QA meeting. | 17:49 |
| krtaylor | sweet, I'll make a note in the meeting page | 17:49 |
| jlvillal | Thanks krtaylor | 17:49 |
| jroll | krtaylor: do you mind doing the irc-meetings patch? | 17:49 |
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| krtaylor | jroll, sure, will do | 17:50 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor: If you need help, let me know. | 17:50 |
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| jroll | xavierr: we don't have a standing topic here, but if someone has something to bring up they are welcome to add it to the agenda | 17:50 |
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| krtaylor | xavierr, did you have a CI question? | 17:50 |
| JayF | jroll: rloo: Thought maybe for these updated RFEs: Should we maybe link to the meeting log so whoever filed the bug can see the discussion that led to the decision? | 17:50 |
| rloo | JayF: yup, that's my plan! | 17:51 |
| gabriel-bezerra | btw, anyone doing zuul + ansible for 3rd party ci? | 17:51 |
| JayF | rloo: awesome | 17:51 |
| xavierr | OneView CI is back. we are working to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1503855 and bring back agent_pxe_oneview job back | 17:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1503855 in Ironic "Set boot device while server is on" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Galyna Zholtkevych (gzholtkevych) | 17:51 |
| TheJulia | xavierr: \o | 17:51 |
| TheJulia | err | 17:51 |
| gabriel-bezerra | instead of zuul + oneview | 17:51 |
| TheJulia | \o/ | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | maybe we need subsection for each CI status? | 17:51 |
| xavierr | \o/ | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | or just report it under your driver | 17:51 |
| gabriel-bezerra | \o/ | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | we already have sections for them | 17:51 |
| rloo | ++ report under the driver | 17:51 |
| xavierr | dtantsur: yeah, good catch | 17:51 |
| krtaylor | gabriel-bezerra, we use puppet | 17:52 |
| gabriel-bezerra | ++ report under the driver | 17:52 |
| gabriel-bezerra | ops zuul + jenkis** | 17:52 |
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| dtantsur | gabriel-bezerra, last time I've heard about it, this method was not yet recommended for 3rd party CI | 17:53 |
| krtaylor | infra requires status on the test systems page, can we link to that? I'd hate to start a new place to record status | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | gabriel-bezerra, check with #openstack-infra | 17:53 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 17:53 |
| gabriel-bezerra | I've seen something about upstream infra changing jenkins for ansible. | 17:53 |
| gabriel-bezerra | dtantsur: thanks. i'll check it | 17:53 |
| jroll | gabriel-bezerra: I believe the current recommendation is keep using jenkins until zuul v3 | 17:53 |
| gabriel-bezerra | thanks | 17:54 |
| krtaylor | gabriel-bezerra, there have been several talks about ansible over the years, but not sure latest status | 17:54 |
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| xavierr | v3 openstack zuul or netflix zuul? :P lol | 17:55 |
| jroll | anything else here? | 17:55 |
| xavierr | nope | 17:55 |
| NobodyCam | thank you all great meeting! | 17:55 |
| gabriel-bezerra | thank you | 17:55 |
| jroll | yes, thanks all, see you next time | 17:55 |
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| TheJulia | Thank you everyone | 17:55 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 17:55 |
| xavierr | thanks all | 17:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 28 17:55:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-11-28-17.00.html | 17:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-11-28-17.00.txt | 17:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2016/ironic.2016-11-28-17.00.log.html | 17:55 |
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