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| matjazp_ | #startmeeting training-guides | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 29 13:00:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 13:00 | |
| matjazp_ | hey all | 13:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 13:00 |
| matjazp_ | roll call | 13:01 |
| ianychoi | matjazp_, hello! | 13:01 |
| matjazp_ | hi ianychoi | 13:01 |
| ianychoi | How are you going? November is almost being finished.. | 13:02 |
| matjazp_ | #link Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 13:02 |
| matjazp_ | ianychoi: busy.. preparing for the December madness, I guess ;) | 13:03 |
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| ianychoi | Yep.. December seems to be short.. And I have lots of things to do in December.. | 13:03 |
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| matjazp_ | looks like there's just the two of us.. ildiko is in a conference call (notified via ML) | 13:04 |
| matjazp_ | #topic Review of action items from the previous meeting | 13:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review of action items from the previous meeting (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 13:05 | |
| matjazp_ | see meeting minutes at http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-11-15-13.01.html | 13:05 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. I see | 13:05 |
| ianychoi | I did cleanup for Launchpad and also sandbox repository | 13:05 |
| ianychoi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-dev-sandbox | 13:05 |
| matjazp_ | #info Upstream training article in Superuser magazine: http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-upstream-training-revamp/ | 13:06 |
| ianychoi | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/sandbox/tree/ | 13:06 |
| matjazp_ | great! | 13:06 |
| ianychoi | Yep I have read this article so great! | 13:06 |
| matjazp_ | #info ianychoi cleaned Launchpad and sandbox repo | 13:06 |
| matjazp_ | that's it for past action items | 13:07 |
| matjazp_ | moving on | 13:07 |
| matjazp_ | #topic Upstream training | 13:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Upstream training (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 13:07 | |
| ianychoi | Yep | 13:07 |
| matjazp_ | looking at agenda | 13:08 |
| matjazp_ | you have a proposal? | 13:08 |
| ianychoi | Yep.. I wrote an idea | 13:08 |
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| ianychoi | I think it would be great if upstream training participants will have exact Stackalytics userinfo through actual upstream training | 13:08 |
| matjazp_ | you mean like a copy just for the training? | 13:09 |
| matjazp_ | fake stackalytics? | 13:09 |
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| ianychoi | No. Current Stackalytics has both Stackalytics development sources and userinfo data | 13:10 |
| matjazp_ | or do you propose that they commit their data into the real Stackalytics as an exercise? | 13:10 |
| ianychoi | I am suggesting to add userinfo on real Stacklytics but to do that separation of userinfo from current openstack/stackalytics repository is needed | 13:10 |
| matjazp_ | oh, now I get it.. split current Stackalytics into two repos? | 13:10 |
| ianychoi | Yep :) | 13:11 |
| ianychoi | And then.. I think having core rights for upstream training leader(s) would be acceptable | 13:11 |
| matjazp_ | that's is not the scope of the training guides... we should discuss this with stacklaytics team? | 13:11 |
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| ianychoi | I already discussed with Stackalytics team and ildikov is the right person for this topic. That's why I have brought this proposal with upstream training plan. | 13:12 |
| matjazp_ | why is this important? surely participants can wait a few days to get their patches merged into the repo... stackalytics is not real time service anyway... as I understand, it works in batches, right? | 13:13 |
| matjazp_ | stackalytics team is for the split? | 13:13 |
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| ianychoi | For Stackalytics, OpenStack Foundation has a plan to migrate from stackalytics.com into stackalytics.openstack.org. | 13:14 |
| matjazp_ | yes, I know | 13:14 |
| matjazp_ | but the team that manages it will stay the same, or not? | 13:14 |
| ianychoi | I think one of strengths in upstream training is that right and fast feedback during actual training | 13:14 |
| ianychoi | matjazp_, good question. I do not know much.. for details | 13:15 |
| ianychoi | What I currently know is that I met Ilya Shakat, a key Stackalytics developer on Barcelona Summit | 13:15 |
| ianychoi | And.. Ilya Shakat said that he spoke with Ildiko Vansca [ildikov] on the perspective to give Foundation more governance on the Stackalytics tool. | 13:15 |
| matjazp_ | I think that an exercise at the training where they commit a patch with their data into stackalytics is a good one | 13:16 |
| ianychoi | So... currently, I wanted to discuss 1) is this kind of exercise good or not? and 2) how to accomplish this | 13:16 |
| matjazp_ | but eho is or isn't in the core team for it is a separate question | 13:16 |
| matjazp_ | eho=who | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | matjazp_, I agree. But at least having one core member in actual upstream training will be needed | 13:17 |
| matjazp_ | why? | 13:18 |
| matjazp_ | results are not fed into stackalytics in real time, right? | 13:18 |
| ianychoi | In my opinion, participants may have errors for their patches | 13:18 |
| matjazp_ | so it makes no sense to speed up the patch merging | 13:18 |
| matjazp_ | yes, they can make mistakes, so anyone at the training can review their patch | 13:19 |
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| matjazp_ | why is it important to merge their patches as soon as possible? | 13:20 |
| ianychoi | Yep.. just reviewing their patches would be also sufficient | 13:20 |
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| matjazp_ | so who is or isn't in the core team is not connected to the actual training ecent, right? | 13:20 |
| matjazp_ | ecent=event | 13:20 |
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| ianychoi | I just thought that accomplishing one thing during upstream training will give more satisfaction. You're right | 13:21 |
| matjazp_ | exercise is good, though | 13:21 |
| matjazp_ | can I make you an action intem? | 13:21 |
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| ianychoi | Hmm.. one possible action item is to discuss with ildikov :) | 13:22 |
| ianychoi | to listen to Foundation's perspective on Stackalytics | 13:22 |
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| matjazp_ | ok, then just bring this up on the ML, and we can discuss this there | 13:23 |
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| ianychoi | ok :) | 13:23 |
| matjazp_ | so you won't develop an exercise for nothing, if we decide against | 13:23 |
| ianychoi | Aha development as an exercise.. okay | 13:24 |
| ianychoi | I will take care if you agree with it | 13:24 |
| matjazp_ | #action ianychoi sends a proposal to develop an exercise for inserting participants info into a Stackalytics on the ML | 13:24 |
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| matjazp_ | is this ok with you? | 13:24 |
| ianychoi | matjazp_, yep thanks | 13:24 |
| matjazp_ | we can discuss it there | 13:24 |
| matjazp_ | since we have twice monthly IRC meetings | 13:25 |
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| ianychoi | Yep next meeting would be also nice | 13:25 |
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| matjazp_ | #info actively looking for ppl to join the project, see http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-November/009382.html | 13:26 |
| matjazp_ | review queue is empty | 13:28 |
| matjazp_ | anything else here? | 13:28 |
| ianychoi | Nope for review que | 13:28 |
| ianychoi | queue | 13:28 |
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| matjazp_ | hmm.. was the branching model in review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403315/ really missing? or is it something old that was not deleted from slide-index and now we reinserted it again in the main landing page? | 13:30 |
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| matjazp_ | what bothers me is that it's file name is not in the new format, so maybe it is an old content | 13:31 |
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| ianychoi | AFAIK.. there were opinion(s) that branching model would not be best fit into current upstream training | 13:31 |
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| ianychoi | I could not track all of things but... it would be correct.. just from my rememberance | 13:31 |
| ianychoi | In my opinion, revising content on branch model would be good for Boston upstream training | 13:32 |
| matjazp_ | anyway, we do have some duplication in content that we need to fix, see bugs queuehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/+bug/1642691 | 13:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1642691 in OpenStack Training Guides "Upstream training slides have duplications" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 13:32 |
| ianychoi | What would 'Duplication' means..? | 13:33 |
| matjazp_ | if it's an old content, we can move it to the archive later | 13:33 |
| matjazp_ | more than one slide about the same content, as I understand it | 13:34 |
| matjazp_ | we still have a mixture of the old and new content, with some overlapping | 13:35 |
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| ianychoi | I agree with this: some part duplicates | 13:35 |
| matjazp_ | ok, so this bug will take care if the branching model is an old content | 13:36 |
| matjazp_ | moving on? | 13:36 |
| ianychoi | okay | 13:36 |
| matjazp_ | #topic training guides | 13:36 |
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| matjazp_ | nothing new here | 13:37 |
| matjazp_ | still very slow progress | 13:37 |
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| ianychoi | #info http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/training-guides/tree/README.rst updated training-guides description | 13:37 |
| matjazp_ | yes, but that is for both projects | 13:38 |
| ianychoi | yep :) | 13:38 |
| matjazp_ | ok, moving on to the AOB? | 13:38 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 13:39 |
| matjazp_ | #topic any other business | 13:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any other business (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 13:39 | |
| matjazp_ | anything left to discuss? | 13:39 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks for caring with updating specialty team: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-November/009352.html | 13:40 |
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| matjazp_ | oh, no problems.. will do the same this week | 13:41 |
| ianychoi | :) Now I am planning for my participation on PTG. | 13:42 |
| ianychoi | Do you want to discuss more on training-guides during PTG? | 13:42 |
| ianychoi | I think Ildiko will open a topic for encouraging upstream training participation I think.. | 13:42 |
| matjazp_ | I don't think I can be there... clashes with my schedule at the Uni | 13:42 |
| ianychoi | That's unfortunate.. | 13:43 |
| ianychoi | Aha and, I have another question | 13:43 |
| ianychoi | In your country, will it be the Christmas holiday from Dec 24 to Jan 1? | 13:44 |
| matjazp_ | yes | 13:44 |
| ianychoi | In my country (Korea), Dec 27 is not a holiday.. (Oh my ... T.T) | 13:44 |
| ianychoi | Then Dec 27 meeting will be canceled :) | 13:44 |
| matjazp_ | I think so, but we can discuss this at the next meeting | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | Okay | 13:45 |
| matjazp_ | I'll write this down so we can remember | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 13:45 |
| matjazp_ | #action decide about IRC meeting on Dec 27 | 13:46 |
| matjazp_ | so we don't forget to discuss this on the next meeting | 13:46 |
| matjazp_ | anything else? I'm good. | 13:47 |
| ianychoi | Good | 13:47 |
| ianychoi | No more items from me | 13:47 |
| matjazp_ | ok, let's wrap this up | 13:47 |
| matjazp_ | thanks for your time! | 13:47 |
| ianychoi | Thaks matjazp_ ! | 13:47 |
| matjazp_ | see you in two weeks! | 13:47 |
| matjazp_ | bye | 13:47 |
| ianychoi | bye! | 13:48 |
| matjazp_ | #endmeeting | 13:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 29 13:48:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-11-29-13.00.html | 13:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-11-29-13.00.txt | 13:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-11-29-13.00.log.html | 13:48 |
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| tdurakov | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 29 14:00:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tdurakov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:00 |
| tdurakov | hi everyone | 14:00 |
| raj_singh | o/ | 14:00 |
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| tdurakov | so, let's start | 14:01 |
| tdurakov | #topic ci | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ci (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:01 | |
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| tdurakov | since it seems to be hard merging new tests to tempest I've started moving tests to tempest plugin | 14:02 |
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| tdurakov | will push that tomorrow | 14:02 |
| raj_singh | yes, that is the feedback I got from tempest cores | 14:02 |
| wznoinsk | hi | 14:02 |
| wznoinsk | tdurakov, ping me a review of that when you have it up | 14:02 |
| tdurakov | wznoinsk: sure | 14:02 |
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| raj_singh | yes let me know as well, then I will move my patch too | 14:03 |
| davidgiluk | o/ | 14:03 |
| tdurakov | so there will be bit more control, and I hope we could move forward on test coverage goal | 14:03 |
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| tdurakov | another thing: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347471/ | 14:03 |
| tdurakov | hook works on master | 14:04 |
| tdurakov | but grenade job is failing | 14:04 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: ^ | 14:04 |
| tdurakov | I suspect we need to backport the same fix to stable branch | 14:04 |
| pkoniszewski | i will take a look on that | 14:05 |
| tdurakov | thanks | 14:05 |
| tdurakov | do we have anything else on ci? | 14:06 |
| tdurakov | ok, next topic | 14:06 |
| tdurakov | #topic bugs | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:06 | |
| tdurakov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1638625 | 14:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1638625 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova fails live migrations on dedicated interface due to wrong type of migrate_uri" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pawel Koniszewski (pawel-koniszewski) | 14:07 |
| tdurakov | there is a fix on review | 14:07 |
| tdurakov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398956/ | 14:07 |
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| tdurakov | my understanding is that fix is OK | 14:08 |
| tdurakov | thoughts? | 14:08 |
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| pkoniszewski | well | 14:09 |
| pkoniszewski | bauzas raised a good point | 14:09 |
| pkoniszewski | I need to change it because it is not compatible with Python3 | 14:09 |
| bauzas | and not compatible with non-ascii hostnames :) | 14:10 |
| tdurakov | got it | 14:10 |
| pkoniszewski | but that's libvirt thing | 14:10 |
| tdurakov | once it merged let's backport it to stable branches | 14:10 |
| pkoniszewski | migrate uri in libvirt is just a char array | 14:11 |
| pkoniszewski | I don't know whether we can backport it | 14:11 |
| pkoniszewski | it's not a single fix, those are two seperate patches | 14:11 |
| bauzas | pkoniszewski: I'm more interested by what the libvirt python binding is accepting | 14:11 |
| pkoniszewski | can such thing be backported? | 14:11 |
| pkoniszewski | python binding accepts anything, validation is on libvirt's side | 14:11 |
| bauzas | oh ok | 14:12 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: well, first is kind of partial fix, right? | 14:12 |
| pkoniszewski | binding is just autogenerated thing, there's not much code in it | 14:12 |
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| pkoniszewski | partial fix that introduces regression | 14:13 |
| pkoniszewski | and then fix for the regression | 14:13 |
| pkoniszewski | bauzas: is it possible to backport something like that? ^^ | 14:13 |
| * bauzas shrugs | 14:13 | |
| bauzas | I don't know why it couldn't be acceptable, as it's a bugfix | 14:14 |
| bauzas | but I guess it comes to the discussion by which libvirt version we're tied to | 14:14 |
| pkoniszewski | any | 14:14 |
| tdurakov | I'd create a case for that | 14:14 |
| pkoniszewski | it's not version related | 14:14 |
| tdurakov | I mean we have a functionality that doesn't work | 14:15 |
| tdurakov | and it worth to fix it | 14:15 |
| tdurakov | even if we haven't merge such patches before | 14:15 |
| pkoniszewski | okay, we can try | 14:15 |
| tdurakov | I'll ask on nova weekly meeting for that case | 14:16 |
| tdurakov | any other bugs/fixes to discuss? | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | it sounds like a reasonable backport to me, at a first glance | 14:16 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: the point is that ideally we need to squash 2 patches while backporting | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | why do you need to squash them? | 14:18 |
| bauzas | agreed with johnthetubaguy | 14:18 |
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| tdurakov | > pkoniszewsk:partial fix that introduces regression | 14:19 |
| tdurakov | > and then fix for the regression | 14:19 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: ^ | 14:19 |
| tdurakov | so inital fix breaks things totally, while second one mitigate that regression | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am not against that being two separate patches still, we just need to not do a release in the middle | 14:20 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: ok | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I wouldn't worry about that too much, either way should work | 14:20 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: thanks | 14:20 |
| tdurakov | both works for me too) | 14:21 |
| tdurakov | any other bugs? | 14:21 |
| tdurakov | #topic open discussion | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:23 | |
| scsnow | ready for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355805/ | 14:24 |
| tdurakov | scsnow: ok, will take a look | 14:25 |
| tdurakov | a bit worried that there are no ci for that | 14:25 |
| tdurakov | or we have some? | 14:25 |
| scsnow | tdurakov, we're adapting Virtuozzo CI for multinode to run live migration tempest tests | 14:25 |
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| tdurakov | scsnow: acked | 14:26 |
| tdurakov | don't want to block that work, because of lack of ci | 14:27 |
| scsnow | and one more question. why we always update and pass new domain xml [1]? [1] https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py#L5941 | 14:27 |
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| scsnow | I can imaging only a single case, when it's needed. That's when source and destination hosts have vnc/spice consoles bound to different addresses. | 14:28 |
| scsnow | When consoles are disabled or bound to local or catch-all addresses (0.0.0.0), xml update is not needed | 14:29 |
| tdurakov | afair that's one of the cases | 14:29 |
| scsnow | Any other cases? | 14:29 |
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| scsnow | I'm asking because libvirt vz driver doesn't support passing destination xml and potentially that's something we may would like to improve in nova code | 14:31 |
| pkoniszewski | that's the case we might want to handle | 14:32 |
| pkoniszewski | I mean the case that we might not want to update domain XML as it is not needed | 14:32 |
| pkoniszewski | however, updating cause no harm | 14:32 |
| pkoniszewski | unless libvirt does not support it for some reason | 14:33 |
| scsnow | pkoniszewski, no harm for qemu driver | 14:33 |
| tdurakov | there hm | 14:33 |
| tdurakov | s/hm | 14:33 |
| tdurakov | according to code | 14:33 |
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| tdurakov | that update xml handles volumes too | 14:34 |
| tdurakov | and perf events | 14:34 |
| tdurakov | scsnow, pkoniszewski ^ | 14:34 |
| tdurakov | I'd expect these to be the case | 14:35 |
| scsnow | tdurakov, can you imaging a case when we need to update disk device? | 14:35 |
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| scsnow | tdurakov, at least iscsi target should be the same | 14:37 |
| tdurakov | scsnow: not ready to answer right now, need to spend more time recalling that code | 14:37 |
| scsnow | tdurakov, ok, let's talk about it again next meeting | 14:37 |
| pkoniszewski | I think that encrypted volumes might require some special handling | 14:38 |
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| tdurakov | scsnow: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137466/ | 14:41 |
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| tdurakov | perf events https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329339/ | 14:42 |
| tdurakov | okay, let's move on | 14:42 |
| scsnow | tdurakov, thank, will take a look | 14:43 |
| tdurakov | nice clean up for booted from volume https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382024/ | 14:43 |
| tdurakov | please review | 14:43 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy, bauzas ^ | 14:43 |
| tdurakov | especially previous patch that removes duplicate check | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | can we get that in the priority etherpad? maybe its there already? | 14:44 |
| scsnow | johnthetubaguy, can you post a link to that etherpad? | 14:45 |
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| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: do you mean ocata etherpad? | 14:45 |
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| tdurakov | scsnow: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:47 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: done | 14:48 |
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| tdurakov | any other open discussions? | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats the one, thanks | 14:48 |
| tdurakov | if we don't have any | 14:50 |
| tdurakov | thanks everyone | 14:50 |
| tdurakov | #endmeeting | 14:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 29 14:50:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-11-29-14.00.html | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-11-29-14.00.txt | 14:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-11-29-14.00.log.html | 14:50 |
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