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soichihi05:32
njohnstonahoy05:32
kazhi05:33
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soichii'd like to wait several minutes. i hope reedip, yamamoto, and vynay is avaibale.05:34
reedip0/05:34
soichireedip: hi05:34
reediphi soichi , glad to see u kaz and njohnston :)05:34
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soichi#startmeeting taas05:35
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 18 05:35:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is soichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.05:35
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.05:35
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'taas'05:35
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yamamotohi05:35
soichiyamamoto: hi05:35
soichi#topic: Loop detection of tap flows (cont.)05:35
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soichi#link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas05:36
reedipwe should reduce the documentation on this page !05:36
reedipits getting out of hand :)05:37
soichireedip: do you have any good idea?05:37
reedipsoichi : to reduce the documentation on the wiki page ?05:37
soichiyes05:38
reedipsoichi : yes, we do not need to keep the old agendas, as they would be covered in the meeting logs already05:38
reedipIf you still want to keep it, you can save it as a PDF and attach it here05:38
reedipbut it wont be too helpful as we are already discussing everything here05:38
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soichiokay, i agree05:39
reedipsoichi : sorry, I didnt get time for the Loop detection study. I think in the last meeting, we decided that ideally we should block this feature ( creating a Tap Flow, whose source port is a Tap-Service)05:39
yamamotoplease create a separate wiki page and move the contents if you want to save old ones.  not pdf.05:40
reedipyamamoto : ok, and hi :)05:40
soichiyamamoto: +105:40
kaz+105:40
soichireedip: yes, we discussed how to gurad loop05:41
soichiBut, kaz syas loop can not be created05:41
soichi#link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/attachments/20170118/eea51ee0/attachment-0001.pdf05:41
kazIn the current implementation, I guess tap of tap mirrors just own traffic but not mirroed traffic.05:42
soichikaz: could you explain about the slide 1?05:43
kazIn the current implementation, flow entry of tap-flow "IN" matches with the destination MAC address.05:43
reedipkaz : are we considering bidirectional tap flows or only ingress ( input to VM) tap flows05:43
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kazreedip: yes05:44
reedipkaz : yes for bidirectional or yes for ingress only05:44
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yamamotokaz: how about non unicast packets?05:44
kazreedip: bidirection :)05:44
reedipok05:45
kazyamamoto: non unicast packets also not match the rule.05:46
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yamamotokaz: it doesn't match the rule, sure. but i think there are separate rules for those packets.05:48
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reedipkaz : still a bit unclear bcz of the use of DESTINATION keyword , because what u r stating in the slide is that the desitnation MAC which arrive at VM1 has VM1's MAC05:49
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yamamotoanyway, our current concern is the api semantics, not the reference impl, right?05:50
kazyamamoto:  yes05:50
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soichii agree to gurad createting tap-flow on the port which has a tap-service, as the api semantics05:51
soichiactually, we had the gurad on the GUI (Horizon) that we have implemented05:52
reedipsoichi : we can also gaurd it on the CLI but it would be better if we put a single gaurd on the API than to put it on different front ends05:53
soichireedip: agree05:53
reedipnjohnston, yamamoto : can we define a device id or device owner for taps?05:55
reedip # link https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/a0e0e8b6686b847a4963a6aa6a3224b5768544e6/neutron/api/v2/attributes.py#L12005:55
reedip#link https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/a0e0e8b6686b847a4963a6aa6a3224b5768544e6/neutron/api/v2/attributes.py#L12505:55
yamamotoreedip: we can define anything. but why?05:56
njohnston+1 to that05:56
reedipyamamoto : that would be easier to check , isnt it ?05:56
yamamotoreedip: for what?05:56
reedipyamamoto : or do u want to check it with the db ?05:56
reedipyamamoto: if we have the port object, then we can simply reference the device_owner/device_id for the port to identify if it is a tap_flow or not05:57
yamamotoah, i see.05:57
yamamotoi don't think it's possible.05:57
yamamotobecause usually such a port belongs to compute and those fields are taken for that.05:58
reedipyamamoto: when we create a port during creation of tap_service05:58
reedipwhat would we put it in its device_id05:58
yamamotoi don't see what's the benefit.05:59
reedipcurrently we are specifying the network during creation of tap-service, and we create a tap_service_port ourselves05:59
yamamotocurrently?05:59
reedipyamamoto : we can always refer the DB to see if the port id which is coming in as a source_port for tap_flow is already a tap_service05:59
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reedipif you want that logic, then it will also work06:00
yamamotoi thought we removed network_id from tap_service06:00
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reedipyamamoto : u r right , sorry . I was referring the previous API06:01
yamamotoi guess looking at ports table is no easier than looking at our tables06:01
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soichii think we need to consider this topic a little bit more. Let's continue to the next week.06:04
soichi#topic: Open Discussion06:05
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soichiDo you have any topic?06:06
yamamotoanyone here is going to submit boston presentation?06:07
yamamotoiirc dealine is around Feb 606:07
soichiwow!06:08
soichicurrently, i have no idea for presentation06:08
reedipyamamoto : I think we can put up a presentation for Tacker with TaaS06:09
reedipbut I am still trying to think the basics of it06:09
yamamototacker?  i have no idea how it's related with taas.06:09
reediptacker provides NFV solution to Openstack06:10
reedipI was just thinking if we can do something with it06:10
yamamotoit might or might not be a good idea.  i don't have enough knowledge to comment right now. :-)06:12
reedipumm , okay, let me see if it can be done06:12
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yamamotoanyway thank you for showing the idea.06:13
reedipyamamoto : sure, I will try and put up something related oto it06:14
reedipnjohnston : did ur taas devstack work ?06:14
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njohnstonit did!  I was able to get it going once I made the taas stable/neutron same as the devstack branches.  oversight on my part.  thanks for all the help!06:15
yamamotogood to hear06:15
reedip:)06:16
reedipnothing else from my side . BTW anyone coming to PTG ?06:16
yamamotoi will be there06:16
soichii'm planning to attend PTG06:17
soichireedip: do we need to discuss how to put our presenation slides in the past summits as references?06:19
soichie.g. upload to SlideShare and put the link on the wiki06:19
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* njohnston will be at the PTG, see you there!06:20
yamamotoi guess anywhere convenient is fine as far as it's publicly accessible06:21
soichiyamamoto: okay, thank you for your comment06:22
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soichino more topics from me06:24
yamamotome neither06:25
kazme too06:25
soichiokay, thank you for today's discussions06:27
soichi#endmeeting06:27
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soichibye06:27
kazbye06:27
yamamotobye06:27
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claudiub#startmeeting hyper-v13:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 18 13:00:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is claudiub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v'13:00
claudiubhello hello13:00
claudiubanyone here?13:00
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claudiubsoo, it seems there's no one else today.13:06
claudiubjust going to make a few quick notes and then end the meeting13:06
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claudiubso. the Hyper-V OVS VIF driver finally merged in nova: https://review.openstack.org/14004513:08
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claudiubso did the Hyper-V vNUMA instances: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282407/13:08
claudiubpending patches would be the nested virtualization patch (https://review.openstack.org/398509) and the pci passthrough patch (https://review.openstack.org/420614)13:09
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claudiubhopefully they still have a chance to merge, keeping in mind that the feature freeze is in 2 days13:10
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claudiubother than that, the QoS utils necessary for networking-hyperv merged in os-win13:11
claudiuband pci passthrough utils will merge in os-win soon as well.13:11
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claudiubafter that, we'll have to make a new os-win release13:11
claudiubafter that, we'll be able to merge the QoS support in networking-hyperv13:11
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claudiubwe'll also have to cut the stable/ocata branches as well.13:12
claudiuband I'll have to update plenty of doc pages, as needed by all the commits above.13:12
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claudiubthat's pretty much the important stuff.13:13
claudiub#endmeeting13:13
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sagar_nikamHi13:18
sagar_nikamany one there13:18
claudiubheya :)13:18
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sagar_nikamsorry... i went to the wrong room and was waiting there13:19
claudiubno problem. :)13:19
sagar_nikami went to openstack-dev by mistake13:19
claudiubas i didn't see anyone, i've closed the meeting already. :) But i've posted a few notes13:19
sagar_nikami was thinking why the meeting has not started and then found i am in wrong room13:20
sagar_nikamno problem13:20
sagar_nikamok will check13:20
sagar_nikamwe will meet next week13:20
claudiubsee here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2017/hyper_v.2017-01-18-13.00.log.html13:20
claudiubif you have any questions..13:21
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mattjarvishello all14:02
tobberydbergHi Matt!14:02
zhipenghhey14:02
tobberydbergAnd everyone else as well 😊14:02
yankcrimehi14:02
mattjarvishey yankcrime14:03
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mattjarvis#startmeeting publiccloud_wg14:03
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 18 14:03:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mattjarvis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg'14:03
mattjarvisso I have to apologise, I have not had a chance to create an agenda for todays meeting14:03
mattjarvisso it's a bit free form14:04
zhipengh:)14:04
mattjarvisalso, it looks like for the next few weeks I'm going to be very busy, so it would be great if one of the new co-chairs could run this meeting for the next couple of times ?14:04
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yankcrimeon the subject of apologies, i've not yet completed my action from the last meeting to update the wiki and write up definition / constituency14:04
tobberydbergNo problem!14:04
mattjarvisI have a new job, and it's taking up slightly more of my time than I thought it would :)14:04
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zhipenghno problem14:05
zhipenghwe could rotate14:05
yankcrimei'll get a draft sorted over the weekend, it's been a hectic couple of weeks since the new year14:05
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tobberydberg_I can take lead next meeting if that is ok14:05
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mattjarvisthank you tobberydberg14:06
mattjarvisso I have just created a brief agenda on the etherpad14:06
zhipenghthx tobberydberg14:06
mattjarviscould everyone add their names to the attendee list pls14:06
tobberydberg_Np14:06
seanhandleySomeone remind me of the Etherpad URL please :-)14:06
mattjarvishttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg14:06
seanhandleyta mattjarvis14:07
mattjarvisno problemo seanhandley14:07
seanhandleyIs this meeting every two weeks?14:07
mattjarvisit is at the minute14:08
seanhandleyok, I'll adjust my calendar14:08
mattjarvis#topic review last meeting action items14:08
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mattjarvisfor some reason I couldn't find the meeting logs on eavesdrop14:08
mattjarvisbut I think we had two actions IIRC14:08
yankcrimehttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/public_cloud_wg/2017/public_cloud_wg.2017-01-04-14.03.log.html14:08
mattjarvisaha14:09
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mattjarvisthat link doesn't work from the eavesdrop meeting definition though14:09
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mattjarvisI think maybe I did startmeeting wrong14:09
mattjarvisits defined in eavesdrop as publiccloud_wg14:09
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mattjarvisso first action was on me, to close the Doodle poll and announce the results14:10
mattjarviswhich hopefully everyone saw14:10
tobberydberg_Yes14:10
mattjarvisgiven the number of votes, both tobberydberg_ and zhipengh are now co-chairs for this group14:10
mattjarviswelcome !14:10
mattjarvisand thank you for volunteering14:11
tobberydberg_Thank you 😊14:11
zhipenghthx matt :)14:11
mattjarvissecond action was on yankcrime - to create a consituency/definitions section on the wiki based on the content in the etherpad14:11
mattjarvisso that one can roll over14:11
mattjarvis#action yank crime to create a consituency/definitions section on the wiki based on the content in the etherpad14:11
yankcrimeta14:11
mattjarvisfinal action was on zhipengh to distill Purpose sections down into a section on the wiki14:12
zhipenghI think I move part of that to the wiki14:12
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tobberydberg_Only 5 people today?14:18
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mattjarvissorry guys, had to deal with a phone call14:21
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Miougetobberydberg_: 6 :)14:21
tobberydberg_Hehe....good 😊14:22
mattjarvis#topic Discuss goals14:23
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mattjarvisso we started this discussion last time14:23
mattjarvisand had some suggestions on the ether pad already14:23
mattjarvisthe first one was to generate some case studies which could be put into a white paper14:24
mattjarvisshall we discuss that a bit further ?14:24
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mattjarvisideally I think we would come to an agreement of what the goals of this team are between now and the Boston summit14:25
zhipenghshould we first draft a skeleton for the white paper, and then people could fill in the blank14:25
mattjarviszhipengh, are you thinking a set of questions which we use for all the case studies ?14:26
zhipenghyes we could have a set of questions for the case studies section, and I was thinking of a skeleton for the white paper as a whole, for example we might have Overview, Case Study, Findings14:27
zhipenghand we could have more specific layouts for each section14:28
zhipenghI think we could target Boston for a read out or something like that14:28
zhipenghfor the whitepaper14:28
tobberydberg_Sounds good regading white papers i think14:31
tobberydberg_So we get the same format of them all14:31
tobberydberg_I guess we could come to an agreement of the goals until Boston14:33
zhipenghbtw should we have short meetings at PTG ?14:33
mattjarvisso would someone be willing to take an action to come up with a template for discussion ?14:34
zhipenghI could come up with a template14:34
zhipenghdo we have a repo ?14:34
mattjarvis#action zhipengh to come up with a template for case studies14:35
mattjarvisso it sounds like we are agreeing that a set of case studies would be one of our milestones ?14:37
mattjarvishow many cloud providers are represented in this group today ?14:38
tobberydberg_Not what I know of...regarding repo14:38
mattjarvisi.e. how many case studies would be have if each brought one ?14:38
mattjarviswe do not have a repo at the minute14:38
zhipenghi think 2 -3 case studies should be enough14:39
seanhandleyDataCentred's happy to put forward a case study14:39
zhipenghif we have more than that then we crunch them into 2 or 3 categories ?14:39
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tobberydberg_I'm representing one14:39
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mattjarvisok14:39
zhipenghHuawei also will provide one :)14:39
mattjarvisso we have at least 314:39
mattjarvissounds good14:39
tobberydberg_I can come up with one without peoplems14:40
zhipenghphew job half done :P14:40
tobberydberg_Hehe14:40
mattjarvisso do we think that is enough to aim for before Boston ?14:40
mattjarviswe also had a suggestion to produce a document showing the common problem spaces for public cloud operators14:40
mattjarvisie. what's missing upstream14:40
zhipenghthat could be part of the white paper14:41
seanhandleyI've got plenty of thoughts there14:41
mattjarvisthere was some interesting discussion on the ops list re people's ideal features for Pike14:41
mattjarvisand many of the things I could think of from a public cloud context were in there14:41
tobberydberg_I have some thoughts as well 😊14:41
mattjarvisi.e. everything we probably all implemented in our own management systems outside of OpenStack14:41
mattjarvisso why don't we also take an action to collate those things14:42
mattjarvisjust as a list for now14:42
seanhandley+114:42
tobberydberg_Agree14:42
mattjarvistobberydberg_, would you take this action ie. to collate from the rest of the group ?14:42
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mattjarvisI know seanhandley also has a lot to add there14:43
tobberydberg_Absolutly!14:43
mattjarvis#action tobberydberg_ collate list of problem areas of functionality from the group14:43
mattjarvisseanhandley, tobberydberg_ - have a look at the thread entitled What would you like in Pike? on openstack-operators14:44
mattjarvisthere are also a bunch of stuff in there I know we implemented at DataCentred14:44
tobberydberg_I just call seanhandley and I'm all set 😉14:44
mattjarvisok, so shall we vote that those two areas are what we will focus on until Boston ?14:45
tobberydberg_Yups, Will do that!14:45
tobberydberg_Sure14:45
seanhandleytobberydberg_: Sounds good14:45
seanhandleySeems well achievable in the time frame14:45
mattjarvis#startvote agree milestones for Boston - produce 3 case studies of public cloud usage, identify common missing features for public cloud ? Yes, No14:45
openstackBegin voting on: agree milestones for Boston - produce 3 case studies of public cloud usage, identify common missing features for public cloud ? Valid vote options are Yes, No.14:45
openstackVote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.14:45
mattjarvis#vote Yes14:45
seanhandley#vote Yes14:46
zhipengh#vote yes14:46
tobberydberg_#vote Yes14:46
mattjarvisany more votes ?14:46
mattjarvis#endvote14:46
openstackVoted on "agree milestones for Boston - produce 3 case studies of public cloud usage, identify common missing features for public cloud ?" Results are14:46
openstackYes (4): tobberydberg_, zhipengh, mattjarvis, seanhandley14:46
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mattjarvisI will take an action to update the wiki14:47
mattjarvis#action mattjarvis to update wiki with agreed milestones for Boston14:47
tobberydberg_Good! Thanks!14:47
mattjarvisI think we are all set then !14:47
mattjarvisI am going to have to drop off this meeting a little early as I have another call14:48
mattjarvisis there anything else anyone wants to bring up at this stage ?14:48
zhipenghPTG meetngs ?14:48
zhipenghi might missed the response on that question...14:48
mattjarviszhipengh, I can't add anything to that, as not attending PTG14:49
zhipenghokey :)14:49
mattjarvisanyone else have thoughts on that ?14:49
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zhipenghno problem,just checking14:49
mattjarvis:)14:50
seanhandleyGood stuff14:50
mattjarvisgreat, then I will close the meeting14:50
seanhandleyCatch up in 2 weeks14:50
mattjarvis#endmeeting14:50
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Jan 18 14:50:42 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:50
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-01-18-14.03.html14:50
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-01-18-14.03.txt14:50
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-01-18-14.03.log.html14:50
mattjarvisthanks all !14:50
zhipenghsee yall14:50
seanhandleytobberydberg_: Give me a shout when you want to chat over those requirements14:50
seanhandleyBye folks o/14:51
mattjarvisand tobberydberg_ will chair next meeting14:51
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tobberydberg_Will do seanhandley14:51
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tobberydberg_See you all in 2 weeks!14:52
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rhochmuth#startmeeting monasca15:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 18 15:01:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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rhochmutho/15:01
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bkleio/15:01
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rhochmuthhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda15:01
rhochmuthAgenda for Wednesday January 18 2016 (15:00 UTC)15:02
rhochmuth1.Reviews:15:02
rhochmuth1.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420579/15:02
rhochmuth2.https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418509/15:02
rhochmuthShort agenda for today15:02
rhochmuthlet's get started15:02
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rhochmuth#topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420579/15:02
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dhagueo/15:02
rhochmuthRemoves the monasca libs since they are not compatible with the new15:02
rhochmuthkafka.15:02
rhochmuthis anyone here to talk about this15:03
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bkleii guess i don't know what that affects?15:03
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jgrasslerI guess that's me15:03
rhochmuthi tried to track down joe prior to the meeting, but couldn't reach him15:03
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bkleiwill that break rally/tempest tests?15:03
jgrassler(dirk added it to the agenda but looks like he isn't here)15:03
rhochmuthdo we still want to try and cover today15:04
rhochmuthwithout joe, we won't have the best representation from monasca15:04
dirko/15:04
rhochmuthas he know all the details and is familiar with the topic more so than me15:04
rhochmuthbut i can do my best15:04
bkleiit seems scary not knowing what it will break15:05
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rhochmuthi guess there is a request for us to remove our libraries so that oslo can move to the latest python-kafka libraries, which has significant issues15:06
rhochmuthhasn't joe sent out email on this topic15:06
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rhochmuthi just discussed this again last week15:06
rhochmuththe lates python-kafka libraries have got problems15:06
jgrasslerThere was a fair amount of discussion on openstack-dev, yes.15:06
rhochmuthadditionally, they have moved to an async only model15:07
jgrasslerPerformance issues with the latest python-kafka libraries.15:07
rhochmuthwhich we can't use right now15:07
witekhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/110357.html15:08
rhochmuthit looks like the monasca team is doing all the analysis here15:08
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jgrasslerSo the problem with Monasca's libraries being dropped from global-requirements is that they will be disregarded entirely from that point on, i.e. nobody will pay attention to whether the libraries the rest of OpenStack are compatible with Monasca.15:10
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jgrasslerIt's halfway to dropping out of OpenStack entirely, really...15:11
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witekjgrassler: agree15:11
jgrasslerNow most of Monasca doesn't share machines with other OpenStack services (barring the agent), but it's still not a good thing...15:11
rhochmuthwell, i just added a -1, but i'm confused why our libraries would be dropped15:12
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jgrasslerHalfway, not all the way.15:12
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jgrasslerOk. So that's ruled out then.15:20
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jgrasslerAnd the problems with python-kafka in its current version are unsurmountable?15:21
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rhochmuthwell, i wouldn't call them unsurmountable15:21
rhochmuthwe would have to move to async15:21
rhochmuthwe are also very interested in the confluent kafka library15:22
rhochmuthas it is reported to be faster and better supported15:22
rhochmuthhttps://github.com/confluentinc/confluent-kafka-python15:22
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jgrasslerOk15:22
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rhochmuthbut, the same issue about moving to async still need to be addressed15:23
rhochmuththe main problem with async is the possiblty for message loss15:23
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rhochmuthmessages are buffered in memory and then sent as a batch asynchronousely15:23
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rhochmuthif the api went down while the messages were still sitting in memory, then there is message loss15:24
rhochmuthunfortunately, the http framework doesn't support response handlers or callbacks15:25
rhochmuthwe are looking at layering a sync api ontop of the async api15:25
rhochmuthbut it is more involved15:26
jgrasslerYeah. That _is_ ugly.15:26
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rhochmuthif we figured out the async issue, then we would gladly move15:26
jgrasslerMight be an idea to put that reasoning on that review as well (at a guess the oslo folks are only aware of the problems this situation creates for them)15:26
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rhochmuthsure, we'll add comments to the review, but i thought the discussion in openstack-dev was sufficient15:28
jkeenI explained the problems on the review and on the dev mailing list a couple times.  Do you think what is on there now is sufficient?15:28
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jgrasslerI think there's just too much noise on the list :-/15:28
rhochmuthhi joe15:28
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rhochmuthsounds like we should update the reviews with your findings/reasoning15:28
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jkeenI did put an update on there about our reasons for avoiding async last night.15:29
rhochmuththx jkeen15:29
rhochmuthso, unless there is more to discuss on this topic, maybe we should move on15:30
rhochmuthi realize this is a touchy subject15:30
rhochmuthand oslo really want to move15:30
jgrasslerYeah15:31
jgrasslerOne more thing:15:31
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jgrasslerI just had a quick chat with dirk (he's having connection trouble)15:31
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jgrasslerHe said that Monasca geting dropped is unlikely to break stuff as long as coexistence of Monasca and other OpenStack services on the same machine is not required.15:32
jgrassler(Also, python-monasca is still in there)15:32
witekmonasca-agent has dependency on monasca-statsd15:32
rhochmuthwell, we want coexistence15:32
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jgrasslerIt puts us as distributor into a bit of a pickle, though because we cannot ship multiple versions of python-kafka in the same repository :-(15:33
rhochmuthif the monasca libraires are removed, then the version of python-kafka used by monasca will be different than the one used by oslo15:33
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rhochmuththat isn't acceptable15:33
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rhochmuthit would have been nice if everything was in it's own virtualenv, but that isn't how openstack was structured15:35
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jgrasslerNo, not really.15:36
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jgrasslerMaybe the oslo folks can be convinced to leave the old python-kafka in there for a bit longer.15:37
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jgrasslerAs far as I recall they were upgrading because they didn't want to ship a deprecated python-kafka version the second time in a row.15:37
rhochmuthsorry, why do we have to convince the oslo folks to use the library longer?15:37
dirkbecause sticking to old versions should be exception not the rule15:38
jgrasslerIf the old library remains in there, there's no reason to remove Monasca from global-requirements15:38
rhochmuthmoving to new incompatible libraries with lot's of issues that break existing projects should also be a consideration15:38
jgrasslerAnd maybe "We can adapt but it will take time" will get them to give you time.15:38
rhochmuththe old library is deprecated, but at least it worked15:39
jgrasslerWell, as you said, Monasca originally got python-kafka in there. I don't think it's used a lot in the rest of Openstack.15:39
jkeenIt might be worth pointing out that this is also the first version of the 1.x series that even works.  Up until 1.3 performance and stability was really bad.15:40
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witekjkeen: do you mean the new Producer or SimpleProducer?15:41
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rhochmuthjkeen had to leave the meeting15:42
rhochmuthi think he is referring to Producer15:42
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witekthanks15:43
dirkwhat are the options? can you talk to the oslo.messaging team once more?15:43
witekI think we should prioritize migration to the new library (kafka-python or confluent-kafka)15:43
witekbut not in short-term15:43
jgrasslerYeah, short-term didn't sound viable.15:44
rhochmuthi'll discuss more with jkeen, but i didn't get the sense that it was going to be easy15:44
jgrasslerBut in that case it's even more important to talk to the oslo.messaging folks (and hopefully get them convinced to give you enough time).15:44
rhochmuthjgrassler: ok, we will follow-up15:45
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rhochmuthmoving to next topic15:46
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rhochmuth#topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418509/15:46
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rbakThat's mine15:46
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rbakI just wanted to get some eyes on this.  Either get it merged or get some more feedback.15:47
rhochmuthok, i'll take a look15:47
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rbakThanks15:47
rhochmuthseems like the biggest issues are around documentation and monasca-setup15:47
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rhochmuthcode is fine, except for resolving what to do about that15:48
rbakYeah, just some confusion over whether we have common standards for the documentation or monasca-setup15:48
rbakI think we resolved the docs question, but whether this needs a monasca-setup flag is still up for debate.15:48
bkleiit's a good question -- do all config options belong in monasca-setup?  if not, what's the criteria?15:49
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rhochmuthi'm not sure there is a criteria15:50
rhochmuth:-)15:50
rbakI didn't look like all config options were in monasca-setup when I looked, but I'm not sure how we judge what belongs.15:50
rhochmuthin general, i think we were trying to get everythingn in monasca-setup15:50
rhochmuthbut, i haven't looked at that yet15:51
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bkleiif that's the case, that's easy.  add new stuff, add to monasca-setup, try to backfill as we refactor?15:51
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rhochmuthi'll check with some of the folks here and try and get an answer or update to the review15:51
rbakSounds good.15:52
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rhochmuthi guess we have a few minutes15:53
rhochmuthany other topics15:53
rhochmuthin closing15:53
bkleinot from me15:54
rhochmuthok, i'll see you all next week15:55
rhochmuthbye15:55
JamesGu@rhochmuth... just an fyi.... we are starting to look into port monasca devstack to Suse OS15:55
kamil_bye15:55
bkleithx roland15:55
rhochmuththanks JamesGu. Nice to know.15:55
rhochmuth#endmeeting15:55
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markvoelker#startmeeting interopwg16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 18 16:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is markvoelker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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hogepodgeo/16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'interopwg'16:00
markvoelker#chair eglute hogepodge16:00
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openstackCurrent chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker16:00
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markvoelker#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRoble.9 Today's Agenda16:01
markvoelkerHopefully a quick meeting today. =)16:01
markvoelkerThanks to folks who worked on the last handful of substantive patches for Cinder, Nova, and Swift...those have all landed now16:02
markvoelkerThat means we're ready to cut the new 2017.01.json document16:02
egluteyes, thanks everyone!!!16:02
markvoelkerBefore we can do that, we need to correct a couple of small problems uncovered by our scripts16:02
markvoelkerPlease take a quick look at:  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422029/16:02
markvoelker#link  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422029/ Correct minor issues with next.json16:02
markvoelkerNothing very controversial there, so hopefully we can merge that...now, ish. =)16:03
markvoelkerWhile you're in gerrit, please also take a look at:16:03
markvoelker#link  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420877/ Fix project name of images-v2-index16:04
markvoelkerThat one makes corrections to existing approved guidelines too...but it's just the project name for a particular capability16:04
markvoelker(it was listed as Nova, should have been Glance)16:04
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luzCo/16:05
markvoelkerI think that falls under the Board's guidance that we can make nonsubstantive changes without requesting re-approval (though we will note the change for them)16:05
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hogepodgelgtm, I'll let Egle workflow that one16:05
markvoelkerThanks hogepodge16:05
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markvoelkereglute if you're ok with that one I'll let it land before proceeding with cutting 2017.0116:07
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egluteyes, just waiting on jenkins right16:07
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* gema sneaks in and sits at the back16:08
egluteNext topic I think!16:09
eglute#topic ptg16:09
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eglutehogepodge any changes to the space?16:10
hogepodgeThere is extra space, so if we need it we just have to ask for it.16:10
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egluteLets ask for it!16:10
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hogepodgeIt's only available on MT though, and do we need it if we're splitting folks between InteropWG and Interop Challenge and RefStack?16:11
catherineDeglute: hogepodge: For RefStack, I plan to only involve topic that need Tnterop WG 's input at the PTG16:11
gemaso you need us on the meeting as well16:12
catherineDit would be just like what we did in the past where the RefStack will take about 2 - 3 hours16:12
catherineDgema: yes16:12
gemaok16:12
eglutecatherineD that works for me16:12
catherineDigordcard: see your email and thinking we can discuss the schedule here16:13
gemasounds good16:13
egluteand i guess if it is the same people for interop challenge, then we cant split it, not on same days :)16:13
hogepodgeyeah, I don't want to ask for space then have us not use it because we conflict with ourselves16:13
gemayep16:13
luzChogepodge +116:14
hogepodgemarkvoelker lost his internet, so eagle and I need to run the remainder of the meeting16:14
gemait may make sense to work the 3 agendas into 116:14
catherineDhogepodge: I think it really a conflict among Interop WG, RefStack and QA16:14
gemaeagle, I like it :D16:14
* eglute doesn't like it16:14
gemaeglute: sorry :)16:14
eglute:D16:14
catherineDso if it is OK I will add RefStack topic to the Interop WG etherpad just like the mid-cycle in the past16:15
eglutein this case, please add more topics to agenda if you havent yet: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropWGAtlantaPTG16:15
eglutecatherineD yes please16:15
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hogepodgeeglute: so I think I'm going to wave off on the space. are we ok with that?16:16
eglutehogepodge I think we are!16:16
catherineDso with that I think RefStack can take about 2 - 3 hour on Monday afternoon and let the Interop Challenge group to have half day on Tuesday16:16
egluteit will be interesting to see how PTG will go, i am sure next time we will know better what works16:17
eglutecatherineD i think that would work16:17
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hogepodgecatherineD: can you create a master PTG schedule so we can coordinate with Interop Challenge?16:18
hogepodgecatherineD: or should we just use Interop WG schedule and have challenge fill in there?16:18
catherineDeglute: I really like to attend QA session but that is alos on MT so I think PTG just does not work well for RefStack where we want t work on improving testing topic16:18
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eglutehogepodge catherineD lets use this etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropWGAtlantaPTG16:18
hogepodgecatherineD: you're the owner of the space there, so it's your call16:18
gema#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/interop-challenge-meeting-2017-01-1116:18
gemathis is the agenda for challenge for the PTG16:19
catherineDhogepodge: I think we an start with the interop wg one16:19
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eglutecatherineD i agree, i think we would have been better off on different days, but probably too late to change the travel plans for some16:19
catherineDand rename it to RefStack/.Interop WG just like what is being shown on the schedule16:19
catherineDis that OK?16:19
hogepodgecatherineD: +116:20
catherineDeglute: yea at the summit we only have confilice in hours ... now with PTG we have conflict in days16:20
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hogepodgewe'll make it work, we just have to be focused and efficient with our time16:21
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eglutehogepodge agree16:21
gema+116:21
eglutewe could have some informal work sessions on W/Th if people are still in atlanta as well16:22
gemasounds good16:22
gemato summarize conversations with other teams16:22
hogepodgeI'll be in Atlanta until Friday noon16:22
gemame too16:22
hogepodgeAnything else on the PTG at this point?16:23
catherineDso let's finalize do we use https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropWGAtlantaPTG ? or have a new eitherpad like https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/RefStackInteropWGAtlantaPTG16:23
egluteI will send out doodle to see who will be in Atlanta what days if we need to have extra sessions16:23
catherineDI do not mind either one?16:23
hogepodgecatherineD: let's use the first link16:23
eglute+1 first16:23
catherineDok16:23
catherineDthen I will add RefStack topics to the eitherpad16:24
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eglutethank you catherineD16:24
eglutenext topic?16:25
eglute#topic Schema v2.016:25
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eglutehogepodge did you add this?16:25
catherineDdo we let inteop challenge to use Tuesday morning?16:25
hogepodgeyeah, I'm mainly surfacing it to bring it back to the top of my agenda16:25
hogepodgenothing really to add yet16:25
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hogepodgeI'll try to have a new patch up by next week16:26
eglutethank you hogepodge16:26
catherineDfolk sorry can we talk a bit about the etherpad name16:26
eglutecatherineD I think we need to coordinate that...16:26
eglutecatherineD yes16:27
eglute#topic ptg16:27
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catherineDsoooryy ..16:27
eglute:)16:27
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catherineDon second thought I think if the etherpad will be post some where official (I don't know it will do) I think the link should have RefStack on it since RefStack is the room requester ...16:28
catherineDso with that can I suggest that we use the second link above and copy the content from the first to the second ?16:28
eglutei am not attached to the name, so we can do that16:28
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catherineDeglute: thx16:29
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eglutehogepodge you ok with this16:29
eglute?16:29
hogepodgeyes, +116:29
egluteOk, new ehterpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/RefStackInteropWGAtlantaPTG16:30
eglutecatherineD is this what you wanted?16:30
catherineDTHANK YOU!16:30
catherineDeglute: yup that was supoer QUICK!!16:31
eglutecopy paste is my favorite activity :D16:31
egluteso regarding the timing for the interop challenge16:32
eglutehogepodge would Wed. also be available if we needed extra time?16:33
hogepodgeWe're only allocated space for MT. We could hallway or coffee shop if Wed is needed16:34
eglutehogepodge cool thanks16:34
egluteso extra space is not available on other days?16:34
hogepodgeno16:34
egluteok!16:34
eglutethen we will need to work on the schedule16:34
catherineDdo everyone plan to be at PTG M - F?16:35
hogepodgeCan we list our availability in the planning ether pad?16:35
eglutecatherineD I will be sending out doodle to our mailing list to figure out who will be available when16:35
eglutewould that help?16:35
egluteor just listing in ehterpad would also work16:35
catherineDyup.. that would help to book ticket16:36
catherineDair ticket16:36
hogepodgeAre we ready to move on? Anything else?16:37
catherineDI am good sorry for the detour16:37
hogepodgecatherineD: no problem, it's important to work out16:37
eglutethere is an email that Mark sent out regarding scheduling to topol, so we will work out scheduling16:37
eglutevia email i think16:37
hogepodge#topic Office Hours16:38
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egluteRocky sent out email suggesting office hours16:38
egluteI guess we are usually pretty responsive to the IRC chat, do you think we should have formal hours?16:39
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hogepodgeI'm personally not a fan of office hours, having worked in environments where they were required before. It ties someone to a place without an agenda, and the attendance is low.16:39
hogepodgeI'm fine with scheduling time to talk with someone on IRC (I did this last week with someone who was setting up refstack-client), or talking about issues in formal meetings, email, or mailing list16:40
eglutehogepodge i like that idea16:41
gemasame here, nobody ever shows up and you still need to be there16:41
hogepodgethat's just my thoughts on it, though16:41
gemaI am fine with people pinging me directly, though16:41
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eglutescheduling irc time for people that have questions would work better16:41
gemayep16:41
egluteespecially in odd time zones16:41
luzCtotally agree16:42
gemaI am happy to cover europe TZ16:42
gemaif things are scheduled when needed16:42
eglutewe can formally put that on the wiki, that they can request some 1-1 time in IRC :)16:42
eglutethank you gema!16:42
eglute#action eglute update wiki with information on requesting scheduled IRC meetings to answer questions16:43
egluteanything else on office hours?16:43
hogepodgeI want to be clear that I'm happy to be available to help, it's what I'm here for.16:44
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eglutehogepodge clear to me :) but we will make it officially clear on wiki :)16:44
hogepodgeIs rocky around? It sounded like she's in China right now.16:44
hogepodgeeglute: do you want to respond to the mailing list on this topic?16:44
eglutei think our IRC channel looks low traffic, but i think people are always there available to chat16:44
eglutehogepodge yes, i will respond16:45
catherineDeglute: how would people request 1-1 schedile?16:45
eglute#action eglute respond to Rocky's email on office hours16:45
gemaproblem may be they don't know who to address the question to16:45
eglutecatherineD by email/irc :)16:45
gemashould we have a keyword that we all have as a highlighter in our clients?16:45
gemathat way whoever sees it first can reply16:46
eglutei have a bouncer setup, so even when not around people should be able to leave messages for me. i think same is true with hogepodge16:46
gemayeah, I also have bouncer, but I may not reply to a message unless it blinks on my client16:46
hogepodgecatherineD: if someone reaches out to me I'll respond. We can work out something formal, like a volunteer on-call list. I presume that the chairs and secretary would be available, and anyone else who wants to pitch in can add their name to the list.16:46
eglutegema i usually keep an eye on our channel, and the last couple times mark and hogepodge got to it before me16:47
hogepodgeeglute: as of last week my bouncer service is much more reliable and will send me notifications when I'm offline16:47
eglutehogepodge that sounds great16:47
gemaeglute: hehe, not needed then, I confess I am bad for that16:47
catherineDI have some one kept pinging me on personal IRC in a different TZ ... but when I response that person is no longer online .. and I do not have email to response16:47
catherineDthat happens many time with the same person for RefStack question ... and I do not know how to solve that16:48
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eglutecatherineD hm, do you know if they get offline messages? tell them to email you?16:48
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catherineDthe person does not leave message on #refstack channel just ping me directly ..16:49
catherineDno the perkson seems to be offline with no way for me to leave message ...16:49
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catherineDthat sounds like I am not responsive but I really can not be on line at 4:00 am :-(16:50
eglutecatherineD that is challenging! I will update our wiki to make sure people email the list in this case, even if it is just an email to request time to talk in off-hours16:50
eglutecatherineD that sounds like they are not very considerate to time zone differences16:50
hogepodgeeglute: also update to have them send mail to interop@openstack.org16:50
gemacatherineD: leave an away message saying: please leave your contact details, I am not online atm16:51
eglutehogepodge will do16:51
hogepodgethat's my official support channel for the foundation16:51
catherineDeglute: yea that is the porlbem I try to solve for RefStack too16:51
catherineDgema: good idea ... I have away message but did not ask for leaving message ... will do that16:52
egluteanything else on office hours?16:52
eglute#topic name change16:53
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eglutesince Mark is still away, we will save this for next time16:53
egluteunless anyone has anything else to add?16:53
eglute#topic open discussion16:53
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egluteanything else today?16:54
hogepodgeIssue was raised on the mailing list about 2016.08 http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/interop-wg/2017-January/000019.html16:54
egluteoh yes thanks hogepodge16:54
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hogepodgethe public information is light, but they've mentioned to me that required security group settings on their cloud are tripping up the tests16:55
hogepodgeon networks-l2-CRUD16:55
hogepodgeI'm going to ask them to raise the issue more publicly, since I can't say personally one way or another if their issue is reasonable to flag a test on.16:56
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catherineDhogepodge: ++16:56
eglute+116:56
hogepodgeI want to encourage items like this to be brought up in the mailing list and meetings, because it's the only way we can tell how features are being deployed.16:56
* eglute agrees16:57
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egluteanything else?16:57
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hogepodgenothing for me16:58
gemanope16:58
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luzCno16:58
catherineDI am good16:58
eglutein that case, we will end 1 minute early!!!16:58
eglute#endmeeting16:58
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-01-18-16.00.html16:58
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-01-18-16.00.txt16:58
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gemathanks for hosting eglute, hogepodge !16:58
catherineDbye16:58
eglutethank you all!16:58
hogepodgethanks everyone. Reminder that board meeting is next week16:58
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robcresswellAnyone about?20:02
bailing-wireO_o20:02
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r1chardj0n3s#startmeeting horizon20:03
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 18 20:03:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is r1chardj0n3s. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'horizon'20:03
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rdopierao/20:03
ediardo\o/20:03
r1chardj0n3shello!20:03
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r1chardj0n3snot a lot on the agenda today except it's Feature Freeze time20:04
r1chardj0n3s#link #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html20:04
r1chardj0n3soops20:04
r1chardj0n3s#link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html20:04
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david-lylewe need to patch and release d-o-a20:05
david-lyletomorrow is the deadline20:05
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david-lyleK2K is still outstanding20:05
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jlopezguI'll push my patch today20:05
david-lyleas is the federation fix, but I think that stalled20:05
* david-lyle needs to check on the latter20:05
r1chardj0n3sdavid-lyle: those are the patches in the priority list?20:06
david-lylethe k2k is20:06
r1chardj0n3sok20:06
david-lylethis needs to go in too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399792/20:06
david-lyleit fixes a policy bug20:06
david-lylea sizeable one20:07
r1chardj0n3sok20:07
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robcresswellr1chardj0n3s: Need me to do any release stuff?20:08
david-lyleI will finish reviewing the k2k patch today20:08
r1chardj0n3srobcresswell: no, thanks. we'll try to get those DOA patches in and tag that, but I should be able to tag Horizon next week OK20:09
r1chardj0n3sI'm on vacation next week, but it's not a lot to do the release20:10
david-lyleyeah it's just the non-client library deadline I'm worried about right now20:10
r1chardj0n3syeah20:10
robcresswellCool, sounds good20:10
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r1chardj0n3sdavid-lyle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408450/ is the only k2k patch in the priority list20:11
david-lyler1chardj0n3s: add https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408435/320:11
david-lylethat's the horizon side once the rest is in20:11
r1chardj0n3sdammit, chrome just crashed20:12
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david-lyleelvin provided tools for testing https://gist.github.com/edtubillara/174acc14c87edfbce35096a29aff308c20:12
david-lyles/elvin/edtubill/20:13
r1chardj0n3sdavid-lyle: ah, yep, that horizon-side patch is starred, we can give it a little extra breathing room if we need to20:13
david-lyleright20:13
david-lylethat could be a FFE20:13
david-lyleif need be with little outside risk20:14
r1chardj0n3syep20:14
r1chardj0n3sthat setup script from edtubill will really help, too bad I didn't know about it a week ago20:15
david-lyleit's new20:15
r1chardj0n3syep20:15
robcresswellOh I got a working branding patch up too20:16
robcresswellFix dem logos20:16
david-lyleediardo: will be the judge of that !20:16
ediardolooks good20:16
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robcresswellEnded up just creating the SVGs and stuff myself, foundation are fail20:16
r1chardj0n3slol20:17
ediardothey just wouldn't send the logos...20:17
david-lylewe had a question about doc logo20:17
david-lyleI don't know where the template is stored20:17
robcresswellYou guys and your questions20:17
ediardolol20:17
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ediardoyeah is about the docs20:17
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david-lylelower priority, but a question20:17
ediardothe template we are using under docs/ is using the old logo20:18
david-lyleI fear if we update that, we will be the only project20:18
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david-lyleI think that should wait until next cycle and someone should try to update all of the projects20:18
robcresswellI'll have a look20:18
david-lylebecause if we go to docs.openstack.org with a different logo it will stand out20:18
robcresswellAlso if anyone bumps into ducttape_ please slap him for holding up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416694/20:19
robcresswellOh, true I suppose20:19
robcresswellMaybe we should stand out20:19
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robcresswellOur time to shine20:19
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david-lyleI will see if he will remind rechecking20:19
david-lyle:)20:20
r1chardj0n3sI could chat to the docs PTL about where the docs logo is at20:20
robcresswellI kinda wanted to get that access and security stuff done, but I guess that'll miss the deadline now20:20
david-lylewell all store our own template, but I don't know how that works with docs.o.o20:20
david-lylerobcresswell: we have a week20:21
david-lyleplenty of time20:21
david-lylewhat's the rush?20:21
robcresswellIsn't it tomorrow?20:21
david-lylejust non-client libraries20:21
r1chardj0n3swhich access and security stuff?20:21
david-lyleo-3 is end of next week20:21
robcresswellHorizon has an early ff20:21
david-lylethat's silly20:21
robcresswellhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/408247/520:22
robcresswellI started splitting them up since people have been requesting it for years20:22
robcresswellBut its held up behind other changes :(20:22
r1chardj0n3sright, yeah, that's gonna have a -2 in an hour or so20:22
robcresswellHeh20:22
david-lyleI request a FFE for that then20:22
r1chardj0n3sshot yourself in the foot there robcresswell ;-)20:23
r1chardj0n3sand I was about to say it's a low-risk patch for FFe20:23
david-lyleit's a usability issue that is very unlikely to effect plugins20:23
r1chardj0n3sthat's what I was thinking20:23
david-lylealthough the common table thing is more likely too20:23
david-lylebut only one line of it20:24
robcresswellAll it does is add a default; if plugins have defined a template already (which they will have) nothing should change20:25
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david-lylejust saying it's the only line that might20:26
david-lyleI'll try it out after this20:26
david-lyleand get the train moving20:26
r1chardj0n3sok, so the only other thing I had to talk about this morning is the Pike PTG planning20:26
david-lyleshould it pass my rigorous review20:26
r1chardj0n3s#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-ptg-pike20:27
r1chardj0n3snot a lot of action on the etherpad20:27
robcresswellThanks david-lyle20:27
david-lyler1chardj0n3s: do you have approval yet?20:27
r1chardj0n3sif you have a topic you'd like to promote for the PTG, please add it to the etherpad20:27
r1chardj0n3sdavid-lyle: no, I don't20:27
david-lyleno rush20:27
r1chardj0n3sapparently20:27
david-lylethey will let you know in march20:27
r1chardj0n3syep20:28
david-lyleyou were approved20:28
r1chardj0n3sso, open discussion, any other business?20:28
david-lyleI jumped in early with mine, so I'm good20:28
rdopieraI have a nice talk to recommend, from last year's Europython20:29
rdopierahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIwl01Nazdg20:29
robcresswellI can't even load it, but I'll add some stuff when I am gifted with internet by the internet gods20:29
david-lylerdopiera: what are you implying ;-)20:29
rdopieradavid-lyle: will you have a moment after the meeting? I need to interrogate you about the domains tab20:29
david-lylesure20:30
david-lyleinterrogate sounds bad though20:30
david-lyleI'm an innocent man20:30
r1chardj0n3slol20:30
rdopierainquire20:30
r1chardj0n3sI think we're done, thanks everyone for your time :-)20:31
ediardothanks20:31
rdopierathere are no innocent men, there are only incompetent interrogators20:31
r1chardj0n3s#endmeeting20:31
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r1chardj0n3snice way to end the meeting rdopiera :-D20:31
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