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| * gothicmindfood sips tea | 13:59 | |
| gothicmindfood | ohhai everyone :) | 14:00 |
|---|---|---|
| fungi | halloo | 14:00 |
| gothicmindfood | courtesy ping: | 14:00 |
| gothicmindfood | amrith, dhellmann, gothicmindfood, ttx, jroll, johnthetubaguy, sdague, mordred, carolbarrett, nikhil, mugsie, thingee, alexismonville, edleafe, EmilienM, harlowja, devananda, bastafidli | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | bonjour | 14:00 |
| gothicmindfood | bonjour EmilienM :) | 14:00 |
| jroll | morning :) | 14:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 14:01 |
| * fungi was smart and got coffee first this time | 14:01 | |
| gothicmindfood | #startmeeting openstack-swg | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 19 14:01:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gothicmindfood. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-swg)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_swg' | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 14:01 |
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| gothicmindfood | I am in the noisiest coffeshop ever | 14:01 |
| * gothicmindfood is thankful for IRC meetings | 14:01 | |
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| gothicmindfood | shall we cover our action items for last week? | 14:02 |
| gothicmindfood | err - two weeks ago? | 14:02 |
| gothicmindfood | #topic review/recap action items | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review/recap action items (Meeting topic: openstack-swg)" | 14:02 | |
| * johnthetubaguy hates video conferencing with noise cancelling headphones, it doesn't work | 14:02 | |
| gothicmindfood | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_swg/2016/openstack_swg.2016-11-08-15.04.html | 14:02 |
| gothicmindfood | for those who want a quick link to see those | 14:03 |
| gothicmindfood | oh no, that's a super old one | 14:03 |
| fungi | you might want this year | 14:03 |
| fungi | but history is fun too ;) | 14:03 |
| gothicmindfood | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_swg/2017/openstack_swg.2017-01-05-14.01.html | 14:03 |
| gothicmindfood | I guess I need an action to close all of my action/meeting summary tabs from 2016 :) | 14:04 |
| gothicmindfood | so the first two were mine | 14:04 |
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| gothicmindfood | finalizing logistics has been interesting, so a couple notes there: | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I have failed to attend the TC due to a combination of illness, and rehearsals, and it being a 9pm meeting :( but sent out things on email | 14:05 |
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| gothicmindfood | 1) the Foundation has agreed to fund the April 10 training costs, so attendees will only need to cover their own travel (like last year) | 14:05 |
| EmilienM | can we book flights and hotel? | 14:06 |
| gothicmindfood | EmilienM: I'd wait just a second - I'm going to say mid-February for booking if that's okay? | 14:06 |
| EmilienM | it is | 14:06 |
| gothicmindfood | EmilienM: awesome :) | 14:06 |
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| gothicmindfood | the next steps for leadership training are for me to confirm a list of attendees, finalize the specific dates the week of April 10th with those people, and then open up the remaining seats to the community | 14:07 |
| gothicmindfood | that will all likely happen in February. | 14:07 |
| gothicmindfood | so 2) is that the Foundation is interested in funding a day long visioning session | 14:07 |
| gothicmindfood | however, ttx and I have been discussing how crazy-over-scheduled folks will be at the PTG | 14:08 |
| gothicmindfood | and we are loathe to exclude people just because they're leading sessions they need to lead | 14:08 |
| gothicmindfood | my understanding is there's a potential for a TC & Board get together after the PTG | 14:08 |
| * fungi wonders if it should be tacked onto the two-day tc/board powwow | 14:08 | |
| fungi | yeah, that | 14:08 |
| gothicmindfood | yeah | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the joint board/tc meeting that coming up, could we fund an extra day there? | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:09 |
| ttx | I fear we'll have facilitation in a room with 4 people | 14:09 |
| ttx | +1 to tacking to something already existing | 14:09 |
| ttx | becase the next months are madness | 14:09 |
| ttx | +u | 14:09 |
| EmilienM | yes +1 too, too much travels otherwise | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | now I can't see me getting budge to attend that meeting, but thats a different battle | 14:09 |
| gothicmindfood | so we're looking into adding a day to that, but I haven't heard about dates confirmed so we're a little on hold there until we do | 14:10 |
| EmilienM | backup plan: videoconference? | 14:10 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: is it possible that getting funding gets easier if you say the TC is going to plan the vision of what OpenStack will be there? | 14:10 |
| gothicmindfood | but also EmilienM is right - videoconference would be great. | 14:11 |
| ttx | Last time I looked Boston the week of March 6th still led | 14:11 |
| gothicmindfood | also, it's important to keep in mind we'll likely come out with a draft that will be edited a LOT before Boston | 14:11 |
| ttx | -1 to using location names to describe events thanks to Boston overloading | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | gothicmindfood: unsure, sadly | 14:11 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: hahaha. Yes. I will refrain from that in the future now | 14:11 |
| ttx | Event Codename: The Kraken | 14:12 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: okay. we'll do everything we can to be inclusive if you can't make it. | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | did we want to try something like two weeks after the PTG on videoconference? | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | gothicmindfood: if we pick VideoConference, I can offer Bluejeans (with my Red Hat account) - it scales very well, and features are awesome; just fyi. | 14:12 |
| gothicmindfood | You know - I'm going to go ask the ZingTrain folks about whether they've ever done it via videoconference. | 14:13 |
| fungi | or if we pick conference call, we already have pbx.openstack.org for sip and dial-in | 14:13 |
| gothicmindfood | I personally have never done an 8 hour videoconference | 14:13 |
| gothicmindfood | and it sounds kind of terrible | 14:13 |
| ttx | it probably is | 14:14 |
| gothicmindfood | but I will ask them to see how they've accomodated such things in the past to investigate that option | 14:14 |
| fungi | i have done 8+hour conference calls, and i can say that's plenty terrible | 14:14 |
| gothicmindfood | #action gothicmindfood to find out about remote options for vision facilitation | 14:14 |
| EmilienM | like I said, it's a backup plan, we need to consider not everyone wants/can travel (budget or family reasons) | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | fungi: honestly, where possible, faces makes a big difference | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, 8 hour conference calls suck, I would say at a minimum, two 4 hour stints would be better | 14:16 |
| * EmilienM would make the trip FWIW | 14:16 | |
| johnthetubaguy | also, no groups of folks joining together from a room | 14:16 |
| gothicmindfood | I'm not sure how structured the facilitation is around actually being in a room, though, so I just need to check on whether that's even a thing that's possible | 14:16 |
| fungi | proper telepresence facilities that bridge two remote conference rooms aren't that bad. i've had good experiences there but it's very expensive | 14:16 |
| gothicmindfood | one plus is that if I'm there, I can act on behalf of anyone who's remote as my only job, since I don't really have a ton of opinions on the content of the vision | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | fungi: yeah, that can work | 14:17 |
| EmilienM | fungi: Red Hat has bluejeans accounts for employees, we could use it, in case. | 14:17 |
| gothicmindfood | ok - it sounds like we're all in favor of this *not* being at the PTG and trying to find another time | 14:18 |
| gothicmindfood | we'll continue to look into remote options for either part of the group or all of it. | 14:18 |
| * fungi finds brady-bunch-style videoconferencing just as bad as voice-only, but maybe that's just me | 14:18 | |
| gothicmindfood | my next action item was to look up some visions and get links for folks. I only could find two, but I'm still searching | 14:18 |
| ttx | Well I think that's athing we can have /out/ of the PTG week and at this stage I think everythingf that can happen elsewhere should | 14:18 |
| EmilienM | it sounds like next time we should organize a 2 weeks event :-) PTG + the rest | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | it was the all remote option that seemed interesting to me, the half and half never really works for me | 14:18 |
| gothicmindfood | part of the problem is that a lot of companies keep detailed visions as proprietary and don't want to publish them | 14:19 |
| gothicmindfood | so a lot of "vision statements" read more like "mission statements" | 14:19 |
| gothicmindfood | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AtlantaPTG-SWG-TCVision | 14:19 |
| jroll | fungi: some of our non-native-english contributors have told me they prefer video because body language and such helps get the right meaning of their words across | 14:19 |
| gothicmindfood | I put some of the vision links I did find at the bottom of that etherpad ^^ | 14:20 |
| gothicmindfood | I'll keep adding as I get more to share | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | jroll: that's true | 14:20 |
| ttx | yes, I would be useless through videconf | 14:20 |
| ttx | you need to se my hands to understand wth I'm trying to say | 14:20 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: just hold them up high and be more dramatic! | 14:21 |
| gothicmindfood | :) | 14:21 |
| fungi | jroll: interesting point. i'd never heard that, but i can see it being the case | 14:21 |
| ttx | for 8 hours ? | 14:21 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: you'll have to train for leading up to that long, I'm sure. | 14:21 |
| fungi | jazzercise to the rescue | 14:21 |
| alexismonville | remote and visioning seems really hard :) | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: honestly I find the same thing, even as a native speaker, but not as extreme I guess | 14:21 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: I'm assuming bringing up vision facilitation at open discussion at the TC meeting happened? | 14:22 |
| * gothicmindfood hasn't trolled logs this week yet | 14:22 | |
| fungi | as someone who maintains nearly all his personal relationships and conversations through text media, i'm mostly blind to intonation and facial expressions/body language | 14:23 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: johnthetubaguy mentioned it in a thread instead | 14:23 |
| gothicmindfood | ah cool. | 14:23 |
| ttx | fungi: you use more subtle signals like absence or presence of final punctuation. | 14:23 |
| fungi | so true | 14:24 |
| fungi | this thread? | 14:24 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2017-January/001316.html | 14:24 |
| ttx | "thread" might be an overstatement but yes | 14:24 |
| jroll | gothicmindfood: nice links, those are the ones we went over in training, yeah? | 14:24 |
| gothicmindfood | jroll: yup | 14:24 |
| fungi | and the dev message linked from it i guess... | 14:24 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/109575.html | 14:24 |
| gothicmindfood | thanks for those fungi :) | 14:25 |
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| fungi | np | 14:25 |
| gothicmindfood | awesome. So that's our action items | 14:25 |
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| gothicmindfood | I wanted to talk a bit about the Pike Summit in Boston and what our plans might be for there, esp. since the CFP is closing soon-ish | 14:27 |
| gothicmindfood | does anyone else have any topics they need to cover before that? | 14:27 |
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| ttx | no | 14:28 |
| gothicmindfood | #topic Pike (Boston) Summit plans for SWG | 14:28 |
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| gothicmindfood | okay - so, we should also write a vision for this, but first I wanted to get feedback on what we might want to get done there before I start drafting my (80 bajillionth) vision | 14:29 |
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| gothicmindfood | which reminds me - since we're also no longer doing a vision draft at the PTG, we probably want to rethink our session at the PTG. but we can talk about that in a sec | 14:30 |
| gothicmindfood | does it still seem realistic that we could have a draft to the community of the TC Vision by the time May rolls around? | 14:30 |
| * jroll is unsure if he'll even be at the forum | 14:30 | |
| gothicmindfood | if we wait to facilitate until March, that still gives us a couple of months | 14:30 |
| * johnthetubaguy has similar worries to jroll | 14:31 | |
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| gothicmindfood | jroll: yeah, I think one of the first things we should assume is that not a ton of people will be there | 14:31 |
| gothicmindfood | from the -dev world anyhow | 14:31 |
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| gothicmindfood | but we will have produced this vision, and does the (theoretical) list of people who *will* be there matter in terms of presenting that vision? | 14:32 |
| jroll | probably? hopefully? | 14:32 |
| jroll | guess it depends who shows up :) | 14:32 |
| gothicmindfood | I'm definitely on the hopefully side :) | 14:32 |
| * alexismonville will probably be able to join this time as he lives in boston :p | 14:33 | |
| jroll | and, well, do users/ops care about the TC vision, or just the overall openstack vision? | 14:33 |
| gothicmindfood | I think they'll care about it | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | depends whats in it, planing to create an openstack vision might be the main news that interests them, maybe? | 14:34 |
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| gothicmindfood | I guess this deadline thing re: CFP could focus us in on things - do we think presenting something in the context of the panel makes sense, or is this better as a team presentation/slide talk? | 14:34 |
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| gothicmindfood | I'm happy to write the most vague things in the submission because frankly I think we won't know exactly how best to present the content until we have it | 14:35 |
| jroll | I think a talk could be interesting - present the vision and what it might mean for the next <timespan> | 14:35 |
| gothicmindfood | but I'm still unsure about whether panels or presentations are best here. | 14:35 |
| fungi | yeah, my employer isn't going to let me skip the summit/forum without a really good reason, so i expect to be there if help is needed | 14:36 |
| gothicmindfood | jroll: dyou think a talk would give enough room for lots of feedback from the audience? | 14:36 |
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| gothicmindfood | or whether we need that? | 14:36 |
| jroll | start with a big grand "imagine you're at the T forum, in <imaginary location>, and blah blah " | 14:36 |
| gothicmindfood | hahaha | 14:36 |
| gothicmindfood | yeah, there is a storytelling element to it | 14:36 |
| jroll | gothicmindfood: you could leave room for a long Q&A | 14:36 |
| fungi | write the presentation in vision tense | 14:36 |
| jroll | and specifically ask for feedback as well | 14:36 |
| fungi | heh | 14:36 |
| gothicmindfood | okay. So maybe a talk, but a half-time one so there's plenty of Q&A | 14:36 |
| jroll | questions/comments and answer | 14:37 |
| gothicmindfood | cool. | 14:37 |
| * jroll thinks we need morgan freeman's voice doing this talk | 14:37 | |
| gothicmindfood | alright | 14:37 |
| gothicmindfood | hahaha | 14:37 |
| gothicmindfood | so, while I am also uncertain about funding to go to Boston, I'll go ahead and submit this | 14:37 |
| fungi | we could probably get patrick warburton. he's always eager for work ;) | 14:37 |
| gothicmindfood | if for some reason I can't go, it's totally okay to pass it off to whoever on the TC or SWG can I think | 14:37 |
| jroll | so I guess the half-time talk thing is kind of a cross between a talk and a panel, 20 minutes of each | 14:38 |
| jroll | which could be fun | 14:38 |
| gothicmindfood | #action gothicmindfood to write Pike Summit submission for a presentation on the TC's vision | 14:39 |
| * fungi loves panel format anyway | 14:39 | |
| gothicmindfood | I love panels too | 14:39 |
| gothicmindfood | we can always turn it into one | 14:39 |
| jroll | indeed | 14:39 |
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| gothicmindfood | anything else with an SWG-theme we could do at the pike summit, besides presenting the vision? | 14:40 |
| * gothicmindfood is so focused on PTG stuff it's hard to think about what Pike will be like | 14:41 | |
| persia | Better. | 14:41 |
| fungi | there was some discussion of mini-leadership-training tips/tricks for community leaders, though that maybe shoud wait until more of us are on the same page about that kind of stuff i guess | 14:41 |
| gothicmindfood | fungi: yeah, I'd love some more workshop-focused stuff that we could sponsor | 14:42 |
| fungi | pike forum seems soon, queens forum maybe | 14:42 |
| gothicmindfood | fungi: ++ | 14:43 |
| gothicmindfood | okay - so I think we're settled with the pike stuff we need at the moment | 14:43 |
| gothicmindfood | #topic PTG vision revisit | 14:43 |
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| gothicmindfood | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AtlantaPTG-SWG | 14:43 |
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| gothicmindfood | so we have this vision written and some of it can still apply, though we should probably get more specific | 14:44 |
| * gothicmindfood is going to update so that it's clear we're not going to do vision facilitation at the PTG now | 14:45 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so if we don't the vision facilitation, what do we want to do instead? | 14:46 |
| gothicmindfood | well, my initial plan before there was interest in doing the full vision there, was to have sessions introducing some of the concepts from leadership training | 14:46 |
| gothicmindfood | which include stuff about visioning, stuff about principles/culture, servant leadership, and potentially change management | 14:47 |
| gothicmindfood | that's just a list off the top of my head though - anyone have any other ideas? | 14:48 |
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| gothicmindfood | the idea for smaller sessions per concept came from the interest that was at our cross project session at the ocata summit | 14:49 |
| gothicmindfood | a lot of people were really curious about what servant leadership was, for example | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | do we know if they will be there for that day at the PTG? | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | and in the SWG room | 14:50 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: it's unclear to me who will be at the SWG sessions, but if we take Monday, I imagine we're risking some of the folks who are arriving later not being able to attend | 14:51 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: Monday is infra/release and which other cross-project days? | 14:51 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: see https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Pike/Etherpads | 14:51 |
| gothicmindfood | oh wow. That's a lot of people. | 14:52 |
| ttx | it's always a lot of people | 14:53 |
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| ttx | We could try to place our day on the Friday, but it's a bit late to try to change | 14:53 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: truer words have never been spoken | 14:53 |
| ttx | I probably won't be able to attend the whole day in the SWG room tbh | 14:54 |
| gothicmindfood | well - I'm comfortable staying with Monday, but I think the question is what can we do that's useful that day for the portion of the community that might be able to attend | 14:54 |
| ttx | especially if I end up having to retake RelMgt PTLship | 14:54 |
| jroll | yeah, I'll likely be bouncing around as well | 14:54 |
| gothicmindfood | that's why I was thinking of breaking up the time into smaller themes | 14:54 |
| ttx | we could say "only in the morning" and try to get more people at the same time | 14:54 |
| ttx | we could say afternoon is open door complaints day | 14:55 |
| ttx | like have a governance issue you would like solved, come complain to COlette | 14:55 |
| gothicmindfood | haha. "therapy hour, hosted by gothicmindfood" | 14:55 |
| ttx | you'll need some speaker to play relaxing music | 14:56 |
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| gothicmindfood | I think I need to do some reaching out to folks to see what they might like to see | 14:56 |
| persia | If the morning "more people at the same shorter time" period was also used for organisation, if people have compatible schedules, some folk could start some subtasks for the ML later in the week. | 14:56 |
| gothicmindfood | can I ask everyone to have a think about this and brainstorm in the etherpad with the vision - even if it's just sentence fragments/ideas? | 14:56 |
| ttx | personally I'd like us to make /some/ progress on one of the initiatives. A bi-weekly meeting doesn't trigger that much momentum forward | 14:57 |
| ttx | so if we need F2F to make progress, let's try to make some at the PTG | 14:57 |
| gothicmindfood | I will too, and I'll also start maybe a -dev list ask of folks to see what they might be interested in | 14:57 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: agreed | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: +1 thats my preference, decide what to move forward | 14:57 |
| gothicmindfood | ok - so a planning session for the next months with the SWG | 14:57 |
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| ttx | I would do a couple of hours brainstorm on the TC vision | 14:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, and progress, resolve things in person | 14:58 |
| gothicmindfood | okay - these are all great ideas! I will get to the etherpad and the mailing list to discuss in the next week | 14:58 |
| ttx | currently it's going a bit in every direction so we are stalled | 14:58 |
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| ttx | with limited ideas on how to make progress | 14:58 |
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| gothicmindfood | oh a quick FYI and link, btw, superuser wrote up the SWG: | 14:59 |
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| gothicmindfood | #link http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-stewardship-working-group/ | 14:59 |
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| ttx | that said it's the type of exercise that works best in distraction-free setting, and with so many things running at the same time on Monday we will be distracted | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, no progress now the facilitating doesn't have a date, I was assuming we pause for the facilitation really | 14:59 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: for the vision, yes | 15:00 |
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| gothicmindfood | but there are other things we can start to get to work on | 15:00 |
| gothicmindfood | okay - we're at time | 15:00 |
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| gothicmindfood | let's take this to #openstack-swg | 15:00 |
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| gothicmindfood | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 19 15:00:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_swg/2017/openstack_swg.2017-01-19-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_swg/2017/openstack_swg.2017-01-19-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_swg/2017/openstack_swg.2017-01-19-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 19 15:00:43 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| john-davidge | \o/ | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | Agenda for today is here: | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #topic Annoucements | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | First, Ocata-3 is next week. We made it to the end of this short cycle | 15:04 |
| john-davidge | Time sure does fly | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | The PTG on February 24th is approaching fast | 15:05 |
| john-davidge | I'm still waiting for my travel to be approved.. Not sure if I'll make it | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | 82 spots remain open | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | as of 30 seconds ago | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: hopefully you'll get approved. Looking forward to see you there | 15:06 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: You too, keeping my fingers crossed :) | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | Any other annoucements? | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | First one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610483 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach) | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | This bug has a solution proposed here: | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/390594 | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | It is in my list of things to review. Hasn't gotten there yet :-( | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | Encourage others to take a look | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | Any comments? | 15:11 |
| haleyb | i reviewed but wasn't super familiar with the sql stuff, so i added kevin benton tot he review | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: great. thanks! | 15:11 |
| haleyb | it seemed good though | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | yeah, I have the same impression | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | ok, next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1570122 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1570122 in neutron "ipv6 prefix delegated subnets are not accessable external of the router they are attached." [High,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 15:13 |
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| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407025/ | 15:13 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: So haleyb has raised a good point in his latest review | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | yeap, you reviewed it | 15:13 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Going to need to jump down the rabbit hole a bit to fix it | 15:14 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: I expect to have a newer, better, shinier patch by the end of tomorrow | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: Thanks! | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627424 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627424 in neutron "FlushError on IPAllocation" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:15 |
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| mlavalle | I've continued looking at this one and have noticed a few things that have drawn my attention: | 15:15 |
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| mlavalle | 1) when the problem arises as a consequence of deleting subnets, it is triggered by the db plugin when removing ips from ports. That leads to this exception being caught: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/db/db_base_plugin_v2.py#L1259 | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | Notice the comment about port update and subnet delete interleaving. Does anyone have further insight? | 15:18 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: looks like armax wrote it | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: that's actually good insight... I'll ping him | 15:19 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: git blame to the rescue :) | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | yeap, I should have thought of that :-) | 15:20 |
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| mlavalle | 2) That exception caught by the db plugin is raised here: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/ipam/drivers/neutrondb_ipam/driver.py#L223. It is raised when this query delete return 0 rows: https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/neutron/ipam/drivers/neutrondb_ipam/db_api.py#L142 | 15:22 |
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| mlavalle | Reading the sqlalchemy docs http://docs.sqlalchemy.org/en/latest/orm/query.html#sqlalchemy.orm.query.Query.delete, it seems query deletes operate outside the normal transaction / session protection | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | that might be the cause of the flush error. Any comments? | 15:23 |
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| mlavalle | If there are no comments, I'll continue digging :-) | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627480 | 15:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627480 in neutron "create_port can succeed without returning fixed_ips on all requested subnets" [High,Confirmed] | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | It doesn't have an owner yet. Looking for a volunteer :-) | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | Any takers / comments? | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | ok, next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1509004 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1509004 in neutron ""test_dualnet_dhcp6_stateless_from_os" failures seen in the gate" [High,Confirmed] | 15:27 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: On that note, I have to run! Sorry all, see you next week :) | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | This one returned last week. haleyb was keeping an eye on it. Any updates? | 15:28 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: I guess i don't know the history of that one, since i see there was a fix ? | 15:28 |
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| haleyb | sorry, slow response | 15:28 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: going back to the previous one, you are right there was a proposed fix | 15:29 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: no new info on the dhcpv6 bug though, ^^comment was for the other | 15:29 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: again, referring to the previous one, I'll dig a little | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | and see if that takes care of it | 15:30 |
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| haleyb | mlavalle: ok, as there was a change merged and backported, but i'm thinking there was still something missing | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | that is also my impression | 15:30 |
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| mlavalle | but I'll try to scope the current problem a little better | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | Any other bugs from the team? | 15:32 |
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| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | #topic Prefix Delegation | 15:33 |
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| mlavalle | baoli: hi! | 15:33 |
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| mlavalle | I see that baoli updated the etherpad. Let's move on | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:36 |
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| mlavalle | The rest client for the placement API patchset was approved last night by kevinbenton: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414726 | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | The second patchset, which is the piece that updates ipv4 inventories using the placement API got some comments from kevinbenton | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | last night. I'll address them today and push an update | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | Thanks to haleyb for the thorough reviews :-) | 15:38 |
| haleyb | yes, good comments, will review when i see it | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | I don't see tidwellr, so we will skip BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:39 |
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| mlavalle | Any other items we need to discuss today? | 15:40 |
| haleyb | i don't have any | 15:41 |
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| mlavalle | ok, thanks for attending | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | Enjoy the rest of your days! | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:41 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 19 15:41:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-01-19-15.00.html | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-01-19-15.00.txt | 15:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-01-19-15.00.log.html | 15:41 |
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| edleafe | #startmeeting api-wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 19 16:00:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| edleafe | #chair cdent elmiko etoews edleafe | 16:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: cdent | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent edleafe elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
| edleafe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:00 |
| edleafe | So who's here today? | 16:00 |
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| * edleafe is starting to feel lonely... | 16:02 | |
| elmiko | yo | 16:02 |
| gouthamr | hi | 16:02 |
| elmiko | sorry, got caught looking at code ;) | 16:03 |
| edleafe | Ah! some signs of life! :) | 16:03 |
| edleafe | Well, let's get started. Maybe this will be a quick meeting | 16:03 |
| edleafe | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:03 | |
| elmiko | could be | 16:03 |
| edleafe | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/ | 16:03 |
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| edleafe | There were 2 items last week: | 16:04 |
| edleafe | edleafe, scottda, mordred to drive some dicussion about api versioning at ptg | 16:04 |
| edleafe | Added the topic to the Architecture Workgroups PTG etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-architecture-workgroup | 16:04 |
| edleafe | Please add your names to that page if you plan on attending the discussion | 16:04 |
| scottda | Hi. Yup I sent a ML post on that | 16:04 |
| edleafe | scottda: ah, I was just going to add: | 16:05 |
| edleafe | Second: scottda to send out email to get things started for consistent versioned endpoints | 16:05 |
| edleafe | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/110043.html | 16:05 |
| edleafe | So it looks like we're good on those | 16:05 |
| * gouthamr didn't reply to scottda's email but will definitely join | 16:05 | |
| edleafe | Cool; thanks gouthamr | 16:06 |
| edleafe | #topic open mic and new biz | 16:06 |
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| edleafe | cdent posted a thing in response to the TC's discussion on "Updating stability/compatibility guidelines" | 16:07 |
| edleafe | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/110384.html | 16:07 |
| edleafe | And the review that people should comment on / tear apart: | 16:07 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421846/ | 16:07 |
| edleafe | Chris comments: "I wanted to be sure that the guideline got a rewrite to express that goal zero is to make users happy and that trumps everything" | 16:08 |
| edleafe | So please read the email, and add your thoughts to the review | 16:08 |
| edleafe | #topic guidelines | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guidelines (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:09 | |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:09 |
| edleafe | Accurate status code vs. Backwards compatibility | 16:09 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422264/ | 16:09 |
| edleafe | This is clarifying that changing a returned status code is an API change | 16:09 |
| edleafe | It's new, so not a lot of discussion on it yet | 16:09 |
| rosmaita | it's an offshoot of a glance patch, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420038/ | 16:10 |
| edleafe | Clarifying that changing a returned status code is an API change | 16:10 |
| edleafe | rosmaita: yes, thanks | 16:10 |
| * edleafe has to get his copy/paste working better | 16:10 | |
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| mordred | ++ to clarification | 16:11 |
| edleafe | fix no sample file in browser | 16:11 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421084/ | 16:11 |
| edleafe | Some concern whether this is needed, or just a GitHub artifact | 16:11 |
| edleafe | Define pagination guidelines | 16:11 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390973/ | 16:11 |
| edleafe | Getting closer... please review comments on the 'last' link language | 16:12 |
| edleafe | Once that's settled, I think it's good to go | 16:12 |
| edleafe | Add API capabilities discovery guideline | 16:12 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386555/ | 16:12 |
| edleafe | Still no consensus on what this is supposed to be doing. | 16:12 |
| edleafe | In general, should this always be scoped to the user? And should it take into account the state of the resource? | 16:13 |
| edleafe | So if you have an opinion on this, please add it to the review | 16:13 |
| edleafe | Removes unnecessary utf-8 encoding | 16:13 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414782/ | 16:13 |
| elmiko | that discussion on capabilities is daunting, to say the least | 16:14 |
| edleafe | This is a no-brainer. Unless there is objection, I will just merge it. | 16:14 |
| edleafe | elmiko: agreed. | 16:14 |
| mordred | ++ | 16:14 |
| edleafe | elmiko: I don't think we are all using the word in the same way | 16:14 |
| elmiko | edleafe: agreed | 16:14 |
| elmiko | +1 on the utf-8 merge too | 16:14 |
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| edleafe | Add guidelines for boolean names | 16:15 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411529/ | 16:15 |
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| edleafe | Please weigh in on your preferences for naming: 'enabled' vs. 'is_enabled', etc. | 16:15 |
| edleafe | As I mentioned to mordred yesterday, these guidelines were culled from a quick review of code in several projects, and are meant to be strawmen for people to beat up on | 16:16 |
| edleafe | So get out your sticks and pound away! :) | 16:16 |
| * mordred has hit with sticks alread! :) | 16:17 | |
| * edleafe knows that mordred can hit much harder | 16:17 | |
| edleafe | The following guidelines seem to have no issues, and should be ready for freeze | 16:18 |
| edleafe | Clarify the status values in versions | 16:18 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411849/ | 16:18 |
| edleafe | Add guideline for invalid query parameters | 16:18 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417441/ | 16:18 |
| edleafe | Add guidelines on usage of state vs. status | 16:18 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411528/ | 16:18 |
| edleafe | Please give those a review, and unless an issue surfaces, they will be frozen for general review | 16:19 |
| edleafe | #topic bug review | 16:19 |
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| edleafe | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg | 16:19 |
| edleafe | Most are guideline/doc omissions, so if you have the time, that's a great way to contribute | 16:20 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:20 |
| edleafe | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:21 |
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| edleafe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter | 16:21 |
| edleafe | Since cdent is on PTO, anyone want to volunteer to do this? | 16:21 |
| * elmiko looks around nervously | 16:21 | |
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| edleafe | elmiko: If not, I'll do the etherpad update, and ping you later for review | 16:22 |
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| elmiko | edleafe: that would be best, i'm under a deadline for conference stuff =( | 16:22 |
| edleafe | elmiko: understood. No worries | 16:23 |
| edleafe | So with that, we've covered the agenda. Anyone have anything else to discuss? | 16:23 |
| elmiko | nothing here | 16:23 |
| edleafe | OK, thanks everyone! | 16:24 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 16:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 19 16:24:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-01-19-16.00.html | 16:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-01-19-16.00.txt | 16:24 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-01-19-16.00.log.html | 16:24 |
| elmiko | thanks edleafe ! | 16:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: hi | 18:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 19 18:01:35 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | had a couple of things things to discuss today | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #topic QoS from feature branch to master | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | no sure if igordcard is around | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | he added the agenda item, but i forgot to ping him over email | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, i think this would be a good thing to do before we move from mitaka to newton | 18:03 |
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| rkukura | makes sense to me | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i just havent had a change to do it | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *chance | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah | 18:04 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i forget how i did it the last time, i think we will just have to do the merge in a local repo and push the patch to gerrit | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | igordcard, in case you happen to check the logs here, you can also give it a shot | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic neutron-lib sync patches | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "neutron-lib sync patches (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:06 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | last i checked we have about 3 open patches on this topic: | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | https://review.openstack.org/414976, https://review.openstack.org/422152, https://review.openstack.org/422274 | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the latter two got added over the last couple of days | 18:07 |
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| rkukura | I haven’t reviewed any of these yet | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i just quickly skimmed throug, mostly imports changes | 18:08 |
| rkukura | Do we think it makes sense to merge these before moving to newton? | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think so, but the first and 3rd fail the integration job, so need to figure out why | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: other than that i think it makes a lot of sense to to merge any mitaka related changes before moving to newton | 18:09 |
| rkukura | agreed | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:10 |
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| rkukura | nothing from me | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: anything else we wanted to discuss today? | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: while we are at it, can you take a quick look at this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422529/ ;-) | 18:12 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I will | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks, small change, so hopefully should be quick | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, lets wrap up for today then | 18:13 |
| rkukura | just need to get to it, among several others | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: :-) | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah, there is amit’s patch as well | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | you can process this patch under shortest job first policy ;-) | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for joining | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 18:14 |
| rkukura | no problem | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:14 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 19 18:14:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-01-19-18.01.html | 18:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-01-19-18.01.txt | 18:15 |
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