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| * gothicmindfood peers around | 14:00 | |
| gothicmindfood | anyone here for the SWG meeting? | 14:00 |
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| gothicmindfood | ping amrith, dhellmann, gothicmindfood, ttx, jroll, johnthetubaguy, sdague, mordred, carolbarrett, nikhil, mugsie, thingee, alexismonville, edleafe, EmilienM, harlowja, devananda, bastafidli | 14:00 |
| mugsie | o/ | 14:01 |
| * dhellmann has a conflict :-/ | 14:01 | |
| * jroll totally forgot but is here | 14:01 | |
| gothicmindfood | dhellmann: no worries! | 14:01 |
| gothicmindfood | okay | 14:01 |
| * edleafe is here, but has to leave in a few | 14:01 | |
| gothicmindfood | well | 14:01 |
| gothicmindfood | we have a few people, so I'll go ahead | 14:01 |
| gothicmindfood | #startmeeting openstack-swg | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 2 14:01:43 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gothicmindfood. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-swg)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_swg' | 14:01 |
| gothicmindfood | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SWGMeeting#Thursday.2C_February_2nd_1400_UTC | 14:01 |
| gothicmindfood | first off, reviewing action items (both mine): | 14:02 |
| gothicmindfood | 1) after some discussion, it seems having everyone in person is the most ideal situation for visioning. And we're looking at the day after the TC & Board meeting as an idea option to have a day of vision facilitation just for the TC | 14:03 |
| gothicmindfood | I'll be either at the next TC meeting to discuss that and/or will ask ttx to bring it up if I can't make it | 14:03 |
| gothicmindfood | (really, I'll be there) | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | did that date get announced now, I guess it has | 14:04 |
| gothicmindfood | there is some concern that the PTG in February, the board/TC joint session in March, potentially Leadership Training in April (for half the TC who hasn't been) and then "summit" in May is a lot | 14:04 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: I haven't seen it yet - was it on the -dev list? | 14:05 |
| mugsie | I havent seen anything for it yet | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | not that I know of, its just I though it was being agreed at the board meeting that just happened | 14:05 |
| gothicmindfood | ah, I see. | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | nope: "We are hoping to schedule a date in March" is all I see in : https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/24Jan2017BoardMinutes | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | never mind | 14:06 |
| gothicmindfood | last I heard it was some time in the first couple of weeks in March, in Boston | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | I can confirm thats a lot of travel, each of those means I loose two weekends and burn $2500 of travel budget I don't have. | 14:06 |
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| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: one of the things ttx and I discussed right after the busyness of the travel (esp for folks living in Europe or Asia) is that we could push off training until the summer, potentially. I'm just worried that plenty of people who've already said the week of April 10th works for them will have other commitments (especially with kids out of school) | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | gothicmindfood: that is tempting, but agreed its never going to be idea for everyone | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | ideal | 14:08 |
| gothicmindfood | okay. I think I'm holding on making any of those calls til we set this board/TC & TC visioning date, though | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 14:09 |
| gothicmindfood | then I'll check in with attendees to see what works better, and we can take scheduling from there | 14:09 |
| gothicmindfood | okay - #2 action item was for me to submit a talk for the summit in May. | 14:09 |
| * gothicmindfood hates calling it a "Summit" it's confusing | 14:10 | |
| gothicmindfood | but I submitted it yesterday | 14:10 |
| gothicmindfood | the abstract is basically saying we will summarize the TC vision draft, and discuss the process and leave room for Q&A after | 14:10 |
| gothicmindfood | nothing too fancy. | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds good | 14:10 |
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| gothicmindfood | we discussed it last meeting, but if anyone else has any other ideas for a talk for Boston re: SWG, now is the time to discuss in #openstack-swg if you want feedback from the group :) | 14:11 |
| gothicmindfood | ok | 14:12 |
| gothicmindfood | #topic Review updated PTG Vision | 14:12 |
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| gothicmindfood | (sorry about that - forgot to topic my action item recap) | 14:12 |
| gothicmindfood | okay | 14:12 |
| gothicmindfood | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AtlantaPTG-SWG | 14:12 |
| gothicmindfood | is looking pretty good! | 14:12 |
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| gothicmindfood | there wasn't a ton of feedback on the mailing list, so I have a feeling we might have to start actively recruiting/pinging folks to get them to come and get engaged with us on Monday if they're available | 14:13 |
| gothicmindfood | I will bring this up in channel/off meeting, but should we start a list of people to 'recruit' to swing by on Monday for help with prioritizing our work? | 14:13 |
| mugsie | I know the first few days are going to be very busy for some people | 14:13 |
| gothicmindfood | yeah, I'd love for us to be a stop-over point for folks when they have breaks | 14:14 |
| gothicmindfood | to contribute | 14:14 |
| alexismonville | the list makes sense | 14:14 |
| gothicmindfood | so I'm wondering if our goal is to get a sense of what everyone else thinks our priorities should be if we should have like, a post-it wall | 14:14 |
| gothicmindfood | for people to write and leave comments and move things around, so they don't necessarily have to be there all day or for extended periods? | 14:15 |
| gothicmindfood | we could also lure them in with snacks | 14:15 |
| gothicmindfood | :) | 14:15 |
| alexismonville | great! that could be a tree, with roots ,small branches and leafs | 14:15 |
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| alexismonville | and people put their notes where they think it belongs | 14:16 |
| gothicmindfood | right, or maybe they comment on where existing notes should be? or how they're related? | 14:16 |
| gothicmindfood | or they just write their own and place them as a kind of +1 | 14:16 |
| * gothicmindfood should get a bunch of +1 stickers printed up | 14:17 | |
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| mugsie | maybe a whiteboard, with post its | 14:17 |
| mugsie | so, people can comment beside goals, or link them visually | 14:17 |
| gothicmindfood | mugsie: totally. We'll probably need a few, I'm guessing! :) | 14:17 |
| mugsie | yeah :) | 14:17 |
| * mugsie wonders if the hotel can paint a wall in whiteboard paint :) | 14:17 | |
| gothicmindfood | I like the idea of accomodating the hecticness of everyone's schedule by making this drop-in friendly. | 14:18 |
| gothicmindfood | should we just reserve the whole day for that drop-in prioritizing, but have a few concentrated sessions, too? | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I was hoping we could kick start efforts for the next few months, till we meet at the summit (or next PTG) | 14:19 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: me too. Do you think it's possible to do that with everyone's schedule being so crazy already? | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | but with visioning paused, I am not quite sure what other things we should prioritise right now | 14:20 |
| gothicmindfood | well, we still have a list of things from before: | 14:20 |
| gothicmindfood | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swg-short-list-deliverables | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | so put this another way, for the folks that attend this meeting, who will be there | 14:20 |
| mugsie | I will be around - but have a lot of other stuff to get done as well | 14:21 |
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| gothicmindfood | I'm mostly thinking about starting work on a passport | 14:21 |
| gothicmindfood | for the TC and potentially for PTLs | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, I guess I don't have the context to feel excited by those other ones yet | 14:22 |
| gothicmindfood | I think that can happen without a vision, because a lot of it is already codified culturally - it just entails interviewing TC members (past and present) and PTLs (past and present) initially, to get some good feedback on what they think they need | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | the process change and the passport thingy | 14:22 |
| gothicmindfood | the passport is basically just a way of writing down what the expectations of a particular position are in terms of knowledge base and understanding, and is a way to explain to people how to learn about those/get trained up | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | I always thought that was done quite well here, I guess: http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/ for context | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | not quite the same format, but a similar aim | 14:24 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: yeah, I think that's a great taxonomy/explanation of the community, but it's not speaking towards those people specifically | 14:24 |
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| gothicmindfood | "so you're a new TC member... here's what to expect, here are some resources that can help" | 14:25 |
| gothicmindfood | or even "so you'd like to be a TC member... here's how to get there" | 14:25 |
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| gothicmindfood | so this goes a bit deeper there to really speak to a specific person, not just explain the broad strokes of a role | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess, there is certainly missing bits there | 14:26 |
| mugsie | definitly | 14:26 |
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| gothicmindfood | I'm sure we'll also get lots of suggestions for things at the PTG that we'll want to sort through | 14:27 |
| gothicmindfood | should we plan on a close-to end of day session to try for that? | 14:27 |
| gothicmindfood | all together? | 14:27 |
| gothicmindfood | with the obvious understanding that some people won't be able to do it? | 14:27 |
| mugsie | yeah, a close out session could be good. | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | that could work I think, its just I was hoping to make progress on some of them together, but sounds like thats not going to happen | 14:28 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: besides the vision, what else would you like to make progress on? We can certainly try to have a specific session around something if it matters! | 14:29 |
| gothicmindfood | I'm a bit frustrated with how slowly things have gone as well, fwiw, but I had to remind myself last week that a lot of this stuff, because it really requires buy-in from so many, takes awhile. | 14:30 |
| alexismonville | changes are not happening overnight | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, the principals have got documented, and we have the new goals process, thats all good | 14:31 |
| alexismonville | this community will still need the energy from others to help it :) | 14:31 |
| gothicmindfood | yeah, and both of those had some folks pretty up in arms over that change :) | 14:32 |
| gothicmindfood | alexismonville: ++ | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | for me, the visioning will help build agreement on what comes next, for sure | 14:32 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: ++ | 14:32 |
| gothicmindfood | okay, so I'll write a bit about trying to get as many SWGers together towards the end of Monday's day to take a look at the feedback we've gotten, and attempt to sort through it | 14:33 |
| gothicmindfood | and that will probably close out our visioning for the PTG :) | 14:33 |
| gothicmindfood | #topic Where to store vision examples for pre-reading before vision facilitation? | 14:33 |
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| gothicmindfood | this was just to remind me of a question I have | 14:34 |
| gothicmindfood | I was sent some more visions as examples to use | 14:34 |
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| gothicmindfood | one is a draft vision for ZingTrain 2020 that they're sharing so we can compare it to how it relates to the Zingerman's overall 2020 vision | 14:34 |
| gothicmindfood | and the other is a vision from a pediatric clinic that did a vision | 14:35 |
| gothicmindfood | they're in pdf or doc format, collectively | 14:35 |
| gothicmindfood | so I'm not sure how best to go about sharing them with anyone who wants to read through visions as an exercise before the TC does their own. | 14:35 |
| gothicmindfood | should I just make sure to send to attendees of that session once we book it? | 14:36 |
| gothicmindfood | or should I share with the broader community in some way? | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we can keep using this etherpad to share ideas as we go: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AtlantaPTG-SWG-TCVision | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | then send that to attendees when that makes sense | 14:36 |
| gothicmindfood | yup - but if people want to read examples, I can't really attach a doc or pdf to an etherpad, right? | 14:37 |
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| gothicmindfood | maybe I'll just add that anyone who wants them can email me and ask | 14:37 |
| gothicmindfood | on that etherpad | 14:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, I was assuming its a web accessable link, but I guess they don't want that? | 14:38 |
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| gothicmindfood | yeah, I think it just hasn't been uploaded by them anywhere like that, so I'd prefer not to be the first, you know :) | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that makes it harder | 14:39 |
| gothicmindfood | okay, I just added a little note to that vision that says folks can contact me for more, and I'll also make sure to send confirmed attendees to the vision session everything once we've scheduled that | 14:40 |
| gothicmindfood | #topic open discussion | 14:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so was looking through the notes in the vision etherpad, I wonder if we have any UC board members around on the Monday of the PTG, possibly not | 14:40 |
| alexismonville | gothicmindfood: reconnecting just now... where did you share the vision's examples ? | 14:41 |
| gothicmindfood | alexismonville: some links are at the bottom of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AtlantaPTG-SWG-TCVision but I will also forward you the attachments I have that I don't feel comfortable publishing to the web! | 14:41 |
| alexismonville | gothicmindfood: great! thank you | 14:42 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: we can certainly ask! Isn't there a user meetup happening in europe that week, though? | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am thinking we could do something to help the UC, TC, PWG relationhip | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | I don't know | 14:42 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: I think that's a great idea. I have folks from all of those lined up for leadership training as part of my evil plan for that :) | 14:42 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: but I'm certainly open to more ideas | 14:43 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: and I think it's a very very worthy thing to spend time on | 14:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it would be interesting to just go through with them, their top 5 things they want to change in OpenStack or something like that, and look at ways to make the change happen | 14:44 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: would you like to check with the UC members to see if they'll be at the PTG? | 14:44 |
| gothicmindfood | if they can't be, we can certainly ask them for their input on that, and write it up/post-it to the wall on our PTG day! | 14:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, give me that action I guess, I can see what we can do | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | actually, scratch that, the UC elections are like the week before the PTG | 14:46 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: they're going to stay on for ~6 months to help with the transition though | 14:46 |
| gothicmindfood | FYI | 14:47 |
| gothicmindfood | so it's not so bad to get the feedback | 14:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | true, but thinking on it, we don't have loads of folks in the room to help make the links, but we could try | 14:48 |
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| gothicmindfood | I think at least knowing if they'll be around and if they have feedback/thoughts on what the SWG could do for them, that's not a bad thing to try | 14:49 |
| * gothicmindfood started a ping list on the PTG vision | 14:49 | |
| gothicmindfood | I categorized areas where we might need to focus the list, but I also think just inviting anyone is a good thing | 14:50 |
| gothicmindfood | so if we can start fleshing out that list now, and mark who we've contacted/invited | 14:50 |
| gothicmindfood | that will set us up well for our next and last meeting before the PTG I think | 14:51 |
| gothicmindfood | #action gothicmindfood to sort out logistics and supplies for SWG meeting room with ttx | 14:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the open invite sounds important, so does asking folks we want in the room | 14:51 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: ++ | 14:51 |
| gothicmindfood | it's too bad we're on the first day, otherwise having postcards made up to hand out to people there would be good | 14:52 |
| * gothicmindfood may do that anyways | 14:52 | |
| gothicmindfood | swg-advertising :) | 14:52 |
| gothicmindfood | anything else, before we get back to our days? | 14:53 |
| gothicmindfood | I'm hoping we'll have more logistics sorted out and a plan of people to actively engage/invite into the room by our next meeting | 14:54 |
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| gothicmindfood | and I think we're on the right track with all of this, too! :) | 14:54 |
| gothicmindfood | if there's nothing else... | 14:55 |
| gothicmindfood | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 2 14:55:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_swg/2017/openstack_swg.2017-02-02-14.01.html | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_swg/2017/openstack_swg.2017-02-02-14.01.txt | 14:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_swg/2017/openstack_swg.2017-02-02-14.01.log.html | 14:56 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 2 15:00:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
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| john-davidge | o/ | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | hey john-davidge | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | I saw janzian joining the meeting also | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: you around? | 15:01 |
| janzian | Morning everyone | 15:01 |
| haleyb | yes, i'm here | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | Agenda for today is here: | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-l3-subteam | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | First one is we are cutting RC-1 this week | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | so we need to be careful merging patchsets | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | Second announcements, this week the community is holding PTL elections: | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | In the case of Neutron, we have two candidates. Please don't forget to cast your votes | 15:05 |
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| mlavalle | Third, the PTG is 3 weeks. You can find the Neutron etherpad here: | 15:06 |
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| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike | 15:06 |
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| mlavalle | If you have subjects you want discussed during the PTG, add them to the etherpad | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | any other annoucements from the team? | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | First up today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610483 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach) | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | I see that Launchpad wants to assign it to haleyb | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | and haleyb is pushing it back ;-) | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: thanks for the review | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | I'll probably ping the author or johnbelamaric to see what is the next step | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:10 |
| haleyb | yes, i updated, but then ?? fixed it | 15:11 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: i'll ping John, if they don't follow up, we can fix it. ok haleyb? | 15:12 |
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| haleyb | ok | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | next up https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1570122 | 15:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1570122 in neutron "ipv6 prefix delegated subnets are not accessable external of the router they are attached." [High,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 15:13 |
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| john-davidge | mlavalle: The patch has a +2 from haleyb, but is getting caught in the gate | 15:13 |
| haleyb | it needs another +2, and i got it on the RC1 list | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: but is ready to go, right? | 15:14 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Wait, no, that's the other one getting caught in the gate :) | 15:14 |
| haleyb | that nova bug fix has almost merged... | 15:14 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Yes, ready to go, needs another +2 | 15:14 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: Thanks@ | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | ah ok, in that case I'll review it later today and merge it | 15:14 |
| john-davidge | ! | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: ^^^^ | 15:14 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: perfect, thank you | 15:15 |
| haleyb | until https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427775/ merges (nova) it's probably going to fail recheck | 15:15 |
| haleyb | i hope | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1660607 | 15:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1660607 in neutron "Newton: Changing fixed ip doesn't work when a subnet is using service type" [High,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 15:16 |
| haleyb | that's stuck in the gate queue as well | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: this is the one caught in the gate, right? | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427223/ | 15:17 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: That's the one getting caught in the gate, alreayd has 2 +2s and workflow | 15:17 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: i just added two other IPv6 PD bugs to the wiki as well | 15:17 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: yeah I saw that | 15:17 |
| haleyb | or maybe just the one, broken w /dvr | 15:17 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277657/ | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | this is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1541406 | 15:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1541406 in neutron "IPv6 prefix delegation does not work with DVR" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:18 |
| haleyb | john-davidge: can you take a look at ^^, might as well fix all the PD issues we can | 15:18 |
| haleyb | HA is the only remaining after that | 15:18 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: Sure | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: I'll take a look as well. Ideally, we want thos for Rc-1, right? | 15:19 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: yes, they have been approved for RC1 | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | cool | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | already in my pile of reviews | 15:20 |
| haleyb | https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/ocata-rc1 | 15:20 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: This is a pretty big chnage that hasnt been looked at since Feb, do you think its realistic to merge for rc1? | 15:20 |
| haleyb | people should make sure their bug is on that list | 15:20 |
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| haleyb | john-davidge: did i paste the wrong link? i didn't think the change was large | 15:21 |
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| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277657/ | 15:21 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: Ah, yeah, my bad, looking at the wrong patch | 15:21 |
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| haleyb | phew! | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | ok, next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627424 | 15:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627424 in neutron "FlushError on IPAllocation" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:22 |
| haleyb | you didn't fix that yet? :) | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | I made great progress with this one. I figured out what the problem is | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | no fix yet, but now I know what is going on | 15:23 |
| haleyb | nice, was being sarcastic | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | the FlushError is really just a symptom of a deeper problem with our retry logic | 15:24 |
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| mlavalle | we have a port P with ip addresses ip1 (subnet S1), ip2 (subnet S2) and more ip's on other subnets | 15:25 |
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| mlavalle | we get a request to delete S1 and another request to delete S2 | 15:25 |
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| mlavalle | each one of those requests goes and tries to update P, removing the respective ip address | 15:26 |
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| mlavalle | request to delete S2 succeeds updating P | 15:26 |
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| mlavalle | when request to delete S1 tries to update P, it gets stale data from common attributes of the P | 15:27 |
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| mlavalle | the update_port for P is retried, but that update_port still has ip2 as a fixed ip of P | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | so it ends up adding back ip2 and trying to delete ip1 | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | and that is where we get the FlushError | 15:28 |
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| mlavalle | howpefully I didn't confuse you | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | I'll update the bug with my findings and propose a fix soon | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | any questions or advice? | 15:29 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Sounds like you have a good handle on it :) | 15:29 |
| haleyb | makes sense, looking forward to seeing fix. i'd advise pinging kevin benton when you get a patch out is all | 15:29 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: yeah, that is my plan. he is the one who really knows the retry logic plumbing | 15:30 |
| * mlavalle as a English speaker as a second language is always confused between advice and advise :-) | 15:32 | |
| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627480 | 15:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627480 in neutron "create_port can succeed without returning fixed_ips on all requested subnets" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to James Anziano (janzian) | 15:32 |
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| mlavalle | janzian: any updates? | 15:32 |
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| janzian | I've been looking through the test case for this bug, there's one written specifically for it | 15:33 |
| janzian | It's passing in my environment, where I think the test case was written to fail as long as the bug is present | 15:34 |
| janzian | So I'm not quite sure what's going on yet, but still figuring things out | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | janzian: most of this failures show up with high level of concurrency, like in the gate | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | janzian: very seldom they show up just running a test case individually | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | like the one I explained above | 15:35 |
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| mlavalle | janzian: let's spend some time together looking at the logs | 15:35 |
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| janzian | mlavalle: Sounds like a plan | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | janzian: thanks for working on this, though | 15:36 |
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| mlavalle | Last one today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1509004 | 15:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1509004 in neutron ""test_dualnet_dhcp6_stateless_from_os" failures seen in the gate" [High,Confirmed] | 15:37 |
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| mlavalle | I haven't had time to track in down in Kibana. Has anyone taken a look? | 15:37 |
| haleyb | it's been a while since i looked | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | no problem. Now that I fiugured out the FkushEroor one, I'll start tracking this one | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | Any other bugs from the team? | 15:39 |
| haleyb | couple of times a day it looks like | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: thanks for updating the etherpad with those bugs :-) | 15:39 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Prefix Delegation | 15:40 |
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| mlavalle | baoli: hi! Any updates? | 15:40 |
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| mlavalle | I think that means no.... :-) | 15:41 |
| john-davidge | :) | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | #topic BGP Dynamic Routing | 15:42 |
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| mlavalle | I was able to exchange some messages with tidwellr | 15:42 |
| mlavalle | He is with Target now, leading a team that is deploying OpenStack for Target | 15:42 |
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| mlavalle | he plans to continue playing with us | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | but he's been too busy lately | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:44 |
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| mlavalle | All the code for this was merged last week, as well as the doc update | 15:44 |
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| john-davidge | mlavalle: Great work! Thanks for your efforts | 15:44 |
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| mlavalle | john-davidge: I'll keep this subject in the agenda, since it seems we will come back to it during Pike for floating IPs | 15:45 |
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| john-davidge | mlavalle: Yeah, I'll post an RFE before the PTG, but I'm sure it will warrant plenty of discussion | 15:45 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: yes, great job. Did you see the recent tripleo email rgarding routed networks? | 15:45 |
| haleyb | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/111385.html | 15:46 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425464/ in particular | 15:47 |
| haleyb | i don't know if they need some help undertanding where things currently are | 15:47 |
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| john-davidge | haleyb: I hadn't seen that either, will take a look | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | ok? | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | Any other topics from the team? | 15:48 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: I'll take a look | 15:48 |
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| mlavalle | any other topics? | 15:49 |
| john-davidge | not from me | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | ok, team, thanks for your attendance and your follow up. Enjoy the rest of your days! | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 2 15:50:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-02-02-15.00.html | 15:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-02-02-15.00.txt | 15:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-02-02-15.00.log.html | 15:50 |
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| cdent | #startmeeting api-wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 2 16:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| cdent | #chair edleafe etoews | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent edleafe etoews | 16:00 |
| etoews | o/ | 16:00 |
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| rosmaita | o/ | 16:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:01 |
| lamt | o/ | 16:01 |
| cdent | hi everybody | 16:01 |
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| cdent | #topic old biz and actions | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "old biz and actions (Meeting topic: api-wg)" | 16:01 | |
| cdent | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-01-26-16.00.html | 16:01 |
| cdent | I was supposed to schmooze with the arch-wg about spending time at the ptg | 16:02 |
| cdent | I did | 16:02 |
| cdent | they were happy | 16:02 |
| cdent | we started some discussions about topics. some for daytime | 16:02 |
| cdent | some for bar | 16:02 |
| rosmaita | foo bar? | 16:02 |
| etoews | :) | 16:02 |
| cdent | #link etherpad for arch-wg ptg talk: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ptg-architecture-workgroup | 16:02 |
| scottda | I know we can't schedule cross-project talks, but is there an etherpad or some way to register names of interested individuals? | 16:03 |
| scottda | This came up for the Consistent Endpoints conversation... | 16:03 |
| scottda | I guess just that etherpad ^^^ :) | 16:04 |
| cdent | scottda: yeah, lots of people have expressed this problem | 16:04 |
| cdent | and that etherpad is one way | 16:04 |
| cdent | but I think we're going to have etherpad conflicts | 16:04 |
| cdent | as, for example, the py35-goals etherpad has the same thing: people registering their interest | 16:05 |
| cdent | but not in a global way | 16:05 |
| cdent | on the day of there is going to be an ethercalc to help people manage space and topics | 16:05 |
| scottda | Maybe we need a meta-etherpad, that points to all the other etherpads... | 16:05 |
| cdent | but I hope we start that before the day of | 16:05 |
| scottda | cdent: OK. | 16:05 |
| cdent | #action cdent to agitate with whomever to make sure the ethercalc is available before ptg | 16:06 |
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| edleafe | scottda: like https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Pike/Etherpads ? | 16:07 |
| scottda | edleafe: Yeah, like that. | 16:07 |
| cdent | #link ptg link of etherpads https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTG/Pike/Etherpads | 16:07 |
| cdent | The other action item was that edleafe and cdent were going to hobnob over how freezing etc works. We didn't do that because of cycle timing | 16:08 |
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| cdent | so we'll keep that for next time | 16:09 |
| cdent | #action edleafe to get with cdent to talk about freezing | 16:09 |
| cdent | #topic open mic and new biz | 16:09 |
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| edleafe | cool | 16:09 |
| cdent | "We probably need to cleanup and correct the list of people notified when we freeze" | 16:09 |
| cdent | I realized that when we pester people with the auto-pester script we're probably not up to date. I'm not sure I remember where that list comes from or what it even means. etoews ? | 16:10 |
| etoews | it's all documented here http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/liaisons.html | 16:11 |
| etoews | (which is linked to from step #2 of http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/process.html ) | 16:11 |
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| cdent | yes, but do we have any indication that the json file is being kept up to date? | 16:12 |
| etoews | that's up to the liaison's themselves | 16:12 |
| cdent | hmmm, perhaps so, the last change was november last year, which is relatively good | 16:13 |
| cdent | I think we should add something in today's newletter reminding projects that that's the case | 16:13 |
| edleafe | cdent: yes, especially with PTL elections ongoing | 16:13 |
| edleafe | new PTLs should be reminded of this | 16:14 |
| etoews | see also #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#API_Working_Group | 16:14 |
| cdent | k, moving on | 16:15 |
| cdent | let's reorder and talk "Glance!" before stability guidelines as they are related and "Glance!" will warm us up. rosmaita, you ready ? | 16:15 |
| rosmaita | sure | 16:16 |
| rosmaita | Really need some timely input on this | 16:16 |
| rosmaita | Here's the context: there's a disagreement between the Glance team and the QA team on what's the correct way to fix a bug. | 16:16 |
| rosmaita | (links in agenda) | 16:16 |
| rosmaita | I think this is a clear case where the docs are correct, so the code should change, but some on the QA team think the docs have to change (which ordinarily would be the correct move, but I don't think so in this case) | 16:16 |
| rosmaita | Anyway, Glance requests some timely advice. because while we were holding our patch until we received some advice, a tempest test was merged | 16:16 |
| rosmaita | This test will have to be reverted if the Glance patch is accepted, which of course is going to slow things down during RC time | 16:16 |
| rosmaita | which is really annoying because the QA team knew full well this issue was under discussion and that I was holding the Glance patch until we'd talked it over | 16:17 |
| rosmaita | so i just want to state out loud my opinion that this power play by the QA team was not made in the proper community spirit | 16:17 |
| rosmaita | but i digress | 16:17 |
| cdent | QA is being an activist judiciary? | 16:17 |
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| rosmaita | at least | 16:17 |
| rosmaita | self-appointed, to boot | 16:18 |
| rosmaita | but again, i digress | 16:18 |
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| rosmaita | my ask is if you could look those over and let me know what you think | 16:18 |
| edleafe | My problem in understanding this is I don't use Glance on a regular enough basis to be affected by this, so I'm taking people's word for it | 16:18 |
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| edleafe | Some say that this change makes sense, and operators will be hurt without it | 16:18 |
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| rosmaita | this is a different change, i think | 16:19 |
| edleafe | The QA people say that making this change will cause all sorts of operator pain | 16:19 |
| rosmaita | the visibility one got through | 16:19 |
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| rosmaita | this change is just that a DELETE call for a metadefs operation returns 200 | 16:19 |
| edleafe | rosmaita: ah, I hadn't seen that | 16:19 |
| rosmaita | it is documented to return 204 | 16:19 |
| edleafe | the last time I saw it QA was pretty strident about it | 16:19 |
| rosmaita | and all the other DELETEs for metadefs do in fact return 204 | 16:19 |
| rosmaita | they seem to be strident about everything | 16:20 |
| edleafe | heh | 16:20 |
| rosmaita | (oops did i say that out loud) | 16:20 |
| cdent | Long ago and far away the goal of the api-wg was to achieve consistency across and within the apis | 16:20 |
| cdent | a random delete operation that behaves differently from all the others "next" to it is inconsistent | 16:20 |
| rosmaita | that is my thought, too | 16:21 |
| rosmaita | but, if the openstack consensus is inconsistent but stable is the ideal, we will do that | 16:21 |
| rosmaita | i'm just trying to figure out if i'm being stubborn or reasonable | 16:21 |
| rosmaita | so my ask is to give me some feedback about that | 16:21 |
| edleafe | And if it's documented to return 204, then it's a bug if it returns 200 | 16:21 |
| rosmaita | that's what i think, the docs do provide a contract | 16:22 |
| cdent | success handling is often fairly generic, such that 200 and 204 are both in the class of "success". So the stability cost here is different from changing a 403 to a 400 (or whatever) | 16:22 |
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| rosmaita | yeah, i think a consumer who hard coded in a 200 expectation here would be ... inept | 16:22 |
| rosmaita | the other thing is, if we change the docs, we need to make a big deal about it | 16:23 |
| rosmaita | becuase otherwise it looks like a typo | 16:23 |
| rosmaita | given what all the other operations do | 16:23 |
| * cdent nods | 16:23 | |
| rosmaita | which is fine | 16:23 |
| rosmaita | if that's the appropriate thing to do | 16:23 |
| rosmaita | well, that's basically it ... would appreciate whether the fast fix (just change the docs) or the slow fix (get the code change + tempest test change) is the way to go | 16:24 |
| etoews | it seems to this is clearly a code bug. so the bug should be fixed. period. | 16:24 |
| etoews | if not, openstack risks going down the path of internet explorer where people wind up coding to the bugs and that way lies madness. | 16:24 |
| cdent | I think, unfortunately, you're going to need to go to the TC with this. The underlying issue is with regard to qa activism (which is a reasonable role for them to take, to a degree). You've got a sympathetic ear, but little in the way of executive power | 16:24 |
| edleafe | Agree | 16:24 |
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| rosmaita | the IE care! | 16:25 |
| rosmaita | *card | 16:25 |
| rosmaita | wish i'd thought of that | 16:25 |
| rosmaita | :) | 16:25 |
| edleafe | BTW, my "agree" was with etoews' assessment | 16:25 |
| cdent | we three can pile on the review, if that will help | 16:25 |
| cdent | but I don't think that will change anything in any permanent sense | 16:25 |
| rosmaita | yes, it would be good to see soem consensus | 16:25 |
| rosmaita | *some | 16:26 |
| rosmaita | i will take it to the TC | 16:26 |
| rosmaita | just wanted to make sure i had done appropriate groudwork first | 16:26 |
| cdent | I think so. edleafe, etoews ? | 16:26 |
| edleafe | Yes, I think an #agreed is in order | 16:27 |
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| etoews | sure | 16:27 |
| edleafe | #agreed The bug in https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1656183 is a code bug, not a documentation bug. The code should be fixed to return 204. | 16:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1656183 in Glance "Delete tags return 200 status code but api-ref says 204" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ian Cordasco (icordasc) | 16:28 |
| edleafe | Is that ok? | 16:28 |
| cdent | i reckon so | 16:28 |
| * sigmavirus did not expect that resolution | 16:28 | |
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| rosmaita | sigmavirus: call me roosmaita | 16:29 |
| edleafe | sigmavirus: what resolution was your money on? | 16:29 |
| asettle | sigmavirus rosmaita - do you two just meet all day in separate channels? | 16:29 |
| sigmavirus | edleafe: that it was a doc bug | 16:29 |
| sigmavirus | asettle: yes | 16:29 |
| asettle | Cool. I take my leave. | 16:30 |
| rosmaita | asettle: we have to stop meeting like this | 16:30 |
| sigmavirus | rosmaita: or do we? | 16:30 |
| asettle | *twilight zone music* | 16:30 |
| cdent | sigmavirus: the api-wg is evidently not in the camp of permanent stability | 16:30 |
| asettle | I'm running a meeting in the other room if you guys wanna pop in :p | 16:30 |
| rosmaita | i think the api-wg stives for "flexible stability" | 16:31 |
| edleafe | sigmavirus: If every similar delete method returns a 204, consistency would say that that method is incorrect | 16:31 |
| rosmaita | not handicapping rigidity | 16:31 |
| cdent | sigmavirus: which is part of why I keep asking for input on the stabilty guideline, because it's hard to write about something like that without help from both the true believers and the opposers and the compromisers | 16:32 |
| cdent | which is a nice segue to the next topic | 16:32 |
| cdent | which can be summarized as: I'm really struggling to have any mental traction on refactoring/correcting etc the stability guidelines | 16:32 |
| edleafe | masterful sequeway | 16:32 |
| rosmaita | cdent: i have a really unhelpful comment | 16:33 |
| rosmaita | the more i think about it, the more this stability tag seems like a bad idea | 16:33 |
| rosmaita | because, does it mean that if glance, for instance, doesn't adopt it | 16:33 |
| rosmaita | we can do whatever the heck we want? | 16:33 |
| rosmaita | that woudl be insane | 16:33 |
| rosmaita | i think we really need to all strive for stability period | 16:34 |
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| rosmaita | also, is tag application retroactive? | 16:34 |
| rosmaita | like, the visibility thing we just went through | 16:34 |
| rosmaita | are we doomed from ever getting the tag? | 16:34 |
| rosmaita | if so, wild west time! | 16:35 |
| edleafe | rosmaita: the tag is the TC's way of saying that "this project has achieved the stability as defined by x, y, and z..." | 16:35 |
| cdent | and it is at a point in time | 16:35 |
| cdent | from release X, this project's api is stable | 16:35 |
| cdent | s/api is/is asserting its api is/ | 16:35 |
| edleafe | rosmaita: Not having the tag just means that a consumer cannot rely on that project to have as stable an API as OpenStack would like | 16:35 |
| rosmaita | though that's not much help to people who want to use release Y | 16:35 |
| rosmaita | ok, thanks, maybe i've been thinking about this the wrong way | 16:36 |
| edleafe | projects don't adopt that tag | 16:36 |
| edleafe | It's assigned to them, based on the guidelines under discussion | 16:37 |
| cdent | edleafe: that's not entirely true | 16:37 |
| edleafe | cdent: oh? Enlighten me | 16:37 |
| cdent | the assertion tags (which this one is) are chosen by a project | 16:37 |
| cdent | and they are responsible for making that assertion | 16:37 |
| cdent | the TC has to validate the gerrit change | 16:38 |
| cdent | but the projects make it | 16:38 |
| edleafe | I understood that to be more procedural | 16:38 |
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| edleafe | Instead of the TC constantly combing the projects and evaluating each one | 16:38 |
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| edleafe | when a project feels that it's ready, it creates the tag change | 16:39 |
| edleafe | which is the signal to the TC | 16:39 |
| cdent | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418010/3/reference/tags/assert_supports-api-compatibility.rst | 16:39 |
| cdent | an assertion tag is described as "self-imposed contract" | 16:40 |
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| edleafe | So a project can propose the tag change as much as they want, but it is the TC that always approves it | 16:40 |
| rosmaita | so, tbh, the reason i've been stubborn about that bug mentioned earlier, is that i'm trying to figure out what kind of "compatibility" we're talking about -- consistency across APIs or IE-style sitck-with-what-you've-got | 16:41 |
| cdent | I think it is more that a project can choose _not_ to propose the tag | 16:41 |
| edleafe | cdent: well, yeah, that's the flip side of the definition | 16:41 |
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| cdent | edleafe: and given rosmaita's concerns I'd be hard pressed to understand why any project (which didn't have microversions) would ever want to | 16:42 |
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| cdent | rosmaita: from my perception of the people responding on the guidelines it is "ie-style stick-with-what-you've-got for ever and ever amen" | 16:42 |
| cdent | except that | 16:42 |
| cdent | for those project that have microversions there is an immediately accessible get out of jail free card | 16:43 |
| cdent | except that card is only useful to developers of the project | 16:43 |
| rosmaita | hopefully this is not off topic, but what are the deprecation rules for microversions? | 16:43 |
| cdent | not really all that useful to users of the api | 16:43 |
| cdent | rosmaita: again depends on who you talk to | 16:43 |
| edleafe | rosmaita: my take is that you cannot change an API, except if not changing it causes more pain that doing so | 16:43 |
| cdent | some people say never | 16:43 |
| edleafe | rosmaita: that's a very high bar to cross | 16:43 |
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| scottda | edleafe: My take is you can change an api (to a new microversion) but not remove the old one. | 16:45 |
| edleafe | rosmaita: technically, a project could document that after a cycle, the minumum supported microversion will be a number higher than the current minimum | 16:45 |
| rosmaita | edleafe: that makes sense, it would give people some time to adjust | 16:45 |
| edleafe | rosmaita: but, at least among Nova, we've said that that will probably never happen | 16:45 |
| scottda | Most in Cinder say it will never happen | 16:45 |
| cdent | edleafe: that would violate the stability guidelines, if they are being followed to the letter of some people's laws | 16:45 |
| cdent | there is a vocal body of people who think none of the http apis should be deprecated ever | 16:46 |
| cdent | there is a much less vocal body that thinks this allows tech debt to live forever | 16:46 |
| edleafe | cdent: sure, but nova has already indicated that it will break stability by dropping the code to support nova-network | 16:46 |
| scottda | I'd like to see a conversation about changing our understanding of microversions to allow incrementing the major version for a breaking change. | 16:47 |
| edleafe | No one wants to support that rotting bit of tech debt | 16:47 |
| cdent | We've got 13 minutes before we finish up. I feel like we're going round (and have been going round) in circles on this topic and I'm not sure what to do about it. | 16:48 |
| scottda | Maybe we can mark things as "unsupported" and stay away from "deprecated" | 16:48 |
| edleafe | scottda: there is no concept of "major version" with microversions | 16:48 |
| etoews | rosmaita with respect to deprecation, it's https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/assert_follows-standard-deprecation.html if you assert that tag | 16:48 |
| etoews | if you don't assert that tag then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 16:48 |
| scottda | edleafe: I know. | 16:48 |
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| scottda | edleafe: But to me, that is a cause of great confusion. We should just have microversions be interpreted as "versions" with the ability to bump both major and minor number | 16:49 |
| edleafe | scottda: ah, ok. Some people think that since Nova's start at 2.1 and go up to 2.42 (now), at some point, we will go to 3.0 | 16:49 |
| scottda | edleafe: Yes. IF nova removes nova networking (for example), go to 3.0 | 16:49 |
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| scottda | sure makes it easier to know when the change is, as opposed to "in microversion 2.87" | 16:49 |
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| scottda | and makes it easier to explain to all the confused developers I work with... | 16:50 |
| cdent | :) | 16:50 |
| scottda | who hate microversions. | 16:50 |
| edleafe | scottda: so no one will be able to request 2.21 anymore? Because that version won't have nova-network anymore, either | 16:50 |
| scottda | sure, you can request whatever "version" of the api you want... | 16:50 |
| scottda | using the existing mechanism in the HTTP header | 16:51 |
| scottda | It's just a more user-friendly way of incrementing the numbers. Basically, semver | 16:51 |
| edleafe | scottda: So at some point 2.x supports nova-net. Then nova-net is dropped. Now that same version number will behave differently | 16:51 |
| scottda | edleafe: why would 2.x behave differently? | 16:52 |
| scottda | it's no different than microversions today | 16:52 |
| etoews | at this point i think you're really just discussing deprecation | 16:52 |
| edleafe | scottda: Because if you call a nova-net function as request version 2.x, it will no longer work | 16:52 |
| scottda | if nova-net is dropped in 2.87, you can use nova-net if you request 2.85 | 16:52 |
| edleafe | scottda: no | 16:53 |
| edleafe | the code is gone | 16:53 |
| edleafe | deleted | 16:53 |
| scottda | edleafe: Well, I'm assuming the code stays in the code base. | 16:53 |
| cdent | completely violating the microversion concept btw :) | 16:53 |
| edleafe | scottda: that's the difference - it's gone | 16:53 |
| cdent | 7 minutes | 16:53 |
| scottda | edleafe: If the code is deleted, then all bets are off | 16:53 |
| scottda | OK, we can talk more at the PTG | 16:53 |
| edleafe | scottda: my point exactly | 16:53 |
| edleafe | Let's move on | 16:53 |
| cdent | Yes, let's. Can people apply some of this enthusiams to the associated email threads and reviews (see link in the agenda). | 16:54 |
| cdent | #topic guidlines | 16:54 |
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| cdent | I thikn we can merge some stuff | 16:54 |
| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:54 |
| cdent | the stuff frozen last week didn't get any objects | 16:55 |
| cdent | objections | 16:55 |
| edleafe | Not exactly controversial stuff :) | 16:55 |
| cdent | true | 16:55 |
| cdent | i'll merge (since I froze) | 16:55 |
| edleafe | Haven't gotten any more input on the boolean patch | 16:55 |
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| edleafe | If people could go there just to register your preference for style, that would be a big help | 16:56 |
| edleafe | I.e.: 'is_enabled' or 'enabled' for naming | 16:57 |
| cdent | #action everyone look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411529/ to express preference on booleans | 16:57 |
| etoews | i'm fine with it as written (hence my +1) | 16:57 |
| cdent | capabilities is on the agenda (from several etherpads) for the ptg | 16:57 |
| cdent | i'm not sure on the status of pagination: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390973/ | 16:58 |
| cdent | any last words (I'll get the newsletter) | 16:59 |
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| edleafe | I'm good | 16:59 |
| cdent | thanks everyone for coming and trying to get to the bottom of things | 17:00 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 2 17:00:09 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-02-02-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-02-02-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-02-02-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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