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| aslezil | o/ | 16:59 |
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| jroll | 1 | 17:00 |
| jroll | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| joanna | :D | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 6 17:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jroll. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 17:00 |
| soliosg | o/ | 17:00 |
| mat128 | o/ | 17:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| mariojv | o/ | 17:00 |
| xavierr | o/ | 17:00 |
| joanna | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | hey everyone | 17:00 |
| aslezil | o/ | 17:00 |
| yuriyz|2 | o/ | 17:00 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| galyna2 | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 17:00 |
| jroll | the agenda, as usual | 17:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| mgoddard_ | o/ | 17:00 |
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| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:00 |
| jroll | #topic announcements and reminders | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements and reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| jroll | big week this week | 17:01 |
| jroll | #info ptl voting has 35 hours left. go vote! | 17:01 |
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| JayF | o/ | 17:01 |
| jroll | (side note, this is my last meeting as ptl!) | 17:01 |
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| crushil | \o | 17:01 |
| csmart | \o morning all | 17:01 |
| jroll | also, we plan to release stable/ocata for ironic, ironic-python-agent, and ironic-inspector this week | 17:02 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:02 |
| jroll | as well as bifrost, ironic-ui.... I think that's it | 17:02 |
| joanna | jroll: did you bring cake? | 17:02 |
| lucasagomes | joanna, ++ for cake | 17:02 |
| rloo | thx jroll, for all your meetings as PTL! bring on the bubbly. | 17:02 |
| jroll | we're shooting for thursday on those releases, but can be flexible | 17:02 |
| jroll | let's be sure to focus and finish things out strong | 17:02 |
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| jroll | joanna: that's ptl-next's job | 17:02 |
| jroll | :) | 17:02 |
| jroll | rloo: :) | 17:02 |
| TheJulia | joanna: And to give jroll a beer :) | 17:03 |
| jroll | ++ | 17:03 |
| jroll | anyone else have announcements or reminders? | 17:03 |
| joanna | :) | 17:03 |
| * JayF notes that he's running on an anti-gluten platform | 17:03 | |
| JayF | no beer or cake ;) | 17:03 |
| TheJulia | lol | 17:03 |
| mat128 | JayF: we can get some no-gluten cake for you | 17:03 |
| xavierr | lol | 17:03 |
| clarkb | JayF: they make gf beer that isn't too bad :P | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:03 |
| jroll | alright, subteam stuff | 17:04 |
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| jroll | #topic subteam status reports | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam status reports (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:04 | |
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| jroll | also the last one of these for the cycle | 17:04 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:04 |
| jroll | starts at line 66 | 17:04 |
| rloo | there's a hi nova bug. anyone know if it needs to be looked at asap? | 17:05 |
| * jroll looks | 17:05 | |
| jroll | if it's the one I'm thinking of, it's mostly mitigated | 17:05 |
| * lucasagomes looks too | 17:06 | |
| jroll | yeah | 17:06 |
| jroll | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1661258 | 17:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1661258 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Deleted ironic node has an inventory in nova_api database" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Chris Dent (cdent) | 17:06 |
| rloo | i know that we don't view docs as important but... portgroups folks, i hope you have docs written soon! | 17:06 |
| JayF | Docs are important :) | 17:06 |
| jroll | there's a band-aid on it by now, the real fix is going to take some work (as in, let's do it soon"ish" and backport, but not a huge rush) | 17:06 |
| vdrok | rloo: writing right now :) | 17:06 |
| rloo | jroll: it is being addressed, good. | 17:07 |
| rloo | vdrok: thx! | 17:07 |
| jroll | rloo: yeah, on my radar, have somewhat of a plan for 'real' fix by now | 17:07 |
| jroll | er, already | 17:07 |
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| rloo | nice that we have non-voting UEFI job! thx to all! | 17:08 |
| JayF | Where is the image coming from for that job, if anyone knows? | 17:08 |
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| jroll | JayF: daily builds, iirc | 17:08 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, yeah, it's a cirros image from daily builds | 17:08 |
| JayF | nice | 17:08 |
| jroll | it's pinned though | 17:08 |
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| jroll | so, looking at these things, I think we can leave priorities as is | 17:09 |
| jroll | and hopefully add some bugs there | 17:09 |
| rloo | jroll: so looks like soft power off/NMI support is done! | 17:10 |
| jroll | rloo: tis :) | 17:10 |
| rloo | jroll: wrt driver comp, are there any that *have* to merge in ocata? | 17:11 |
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| milan | o/ | 17:11 |
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| jroll | rloo: other than saving backport work, I don't think so. if I was going to pick one it'd be devstack/CI | 17:11 |
| rloo | jroll: given how big a change it is, if we don't get docs in in time, we should backport | 17:11 |
| jroll | agree | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | yeah | 17:12 |
| rloo | jroll: the node.resource_class doc has been deferred, right? i'm going to delete from our priorities | 17:12 |
| jroll | rloo: yeah | 17:12 |
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| rloo | jroll: gone. should we just review the doc patches that are in the priorities? | 17:13 |
| jroll | rloo: as in "only those doc patches"? | 17:13 |
| rloo | i'm not sure we'll get to the nice-to-have's | 17:13 |
| jroll | sure, let's do what we can | 17:14 |
| rloo | jroll: yes, as only those doc patches. | 17:14 |
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| rloo | jroll: we should put bugs in there too. vdrok listed some under the Bugs section. | 17:14 |
| rloo | vdrok: at this point, maybe we should only focus on high bugs? | 17:15 |
| vdrok | these are the ones that are open and were reported since last april or so, was not able to go further | 17:15 |
| jroll | rloo: yes, added a pointer | 17:15 |
| rloo | high bugs with a chance of merging soon :) | 17:15 |
| vdrok | yeah, no objections :) as we have only like 3 days | 17:15 |
| rloo | vdrok: exactly. maybe we can look at bug patches at ptg if we have nothing else to do :) | 17:16 |
| vdrok | everything else can be backported later if needed | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | "if we have nothing else to do" LOL | 17:16 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: +1 | 17:16 |
| * dtantsur counts the number of proposed topics | 17:16 | |
| rloo | I mean, i know beer is a high priority... | 17:16 |
| TheJulia | but not everyone drinks beer.... | 17:16 |
| dtantsur | 22 topics for 2.5 days, hmm :) | 17:17 |
| lucasagomes | (-: | 17:17 |
| rloo | oh. side track from this subteam thing -- should we review ptg proposals next meeting? | 17:17 |
| jroll | maybe? | 17:17 |
| TheJulia | I think we should | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | maybe even start today, if we have time left | 17:17 |
| rloo | I guess that is up to new ptl... | 17:17 |
| jroll | I think we should just prioritize and cut | 17:17 |
| jroll | so maybe leave comments on that sort of thing | 17:17 |
| jroll | (since we don't have a fixed number of sessions) | 17:17 |
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| TheJulia | maybe just prioritize, and generate a short high priority list, and go to the lower priority stuff if we have time? | 17:18 |
| rloo | fwiw, i'm good with subteam reports, since i seem to have caused us to side track :) | 17:18 |
| jroll | yeah that was my thought | 17:18 |
| jroll | heh | 17:18 |
| jroll | yeah we should move on, have a couple of topics this week, can come back in open discussion | 17:18 |
| jroll | #topic Making [DEFAULT]cleaning_network obligatory for flat network interface | 17:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Making [DEFAULT]cleaning_network obligatory for flat network interface (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:19 | |
| jroll | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1661082 | 17:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1661082 in Ironic "Raise DriverLoadError if using flat network with cleaning enabled and cleaning_network is not set" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Vladyslav Drok (vdrok) | 17:19 |
| jroll | vdrok: this is you | 17:19 |
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| jlvillal | o/ | 17:19 |
| vdrok | yup, so, in the last release, I added a todo to make cleaning_network parameter to be required for flat network interface | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | just don't do it in Ocata please :) | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | well, I've *just* switched tripleo to using a dummy network name by default, in case we land that.. | 17:20 |
| rloo | my question is why do we want to make it mandatory? | 17:20 |
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| rloo | if eg someone uses flat network but doesn't do any cleaning | 17:20 |
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| vdrok | we have a way to disable automated clean, but not manual, so to guarantee it works, it may be better to fail loading flat network interface, or fail on some pre-validation | 17:20 |
| TheJulia | or they don't need a separate network in their flat network configuration... | 17:21 |
| rloo | vdrok: can we fail on start of manual cleaning? | 17:21 |
| JayF | Does manual cleaning fail if unset | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | well, it also assumes everyone is cool with creating network in the middle of openstack deployment, which I'm not | 17:21 |
| JayF | or do you just clean on the provisioning network? | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | hence I wrote "dummy" network, I have to invent a non-existing name just to make ironic happy on start up... | 17:21 |
| jroll | TheJulia: that config isn't necessarily about a separate network, just so ironic knows what network things should be on (since nova won't pass us a cleaning port) | 17:21 |
| rloo | dtantsur: how do you feel about that? i mean, having to write dummy network etc? do you think operators will be happy about doing that too? | 17:22 |
| vsaienk0 | jroll: I wondered why flat network interface requires cleaning_network to be set? | 17:22 |
| vdrok | rloo: yeah, we can fail on start of cleaning | 17:22 |
| jroll | vsaienk0: so ironic knows what network things should be on (since nova won't pass us a cleaning port) | 17:22 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, I would prefer it to fail if not set, to fallback to provisioning seems dodgy (unless cleaning_network also points to the same network as provisioning, so that should be ok) | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | rloo, I'm definitely not overly happy.. I had to write quite detailed documentation on this bit in TripleO | 17:23 |
| rloo | dtantsur: so would it be better to leave the warning that we have now, and for cleaning to fail when (if) cleaning is invoked? | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | well, I'm not happy with putting openstack object UUIDs in configuration files at all | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | but it seems to be my personal thing :) | 17:23 |
| TheJulia | jroll: I know, but I'm not really sure it should be required in the configuration | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, I like that | 17:23 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: I think this goes back to make it configurable at the node level | 17:23 |
| lucasagomes | warning + fail upon a request (if not set) | 17:24 |
| jroll | TheJulia: just pointing that out for clarity, not agreeing or disagreeing with you | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, this is my view on it | 17:24 |
| mat128 | dtantsur: I understand where you're coming from, mixing config and data | 17:24 |
| mat128 | lucasagomes: +1 | 17:24 |
| dtantsur | mat128, exactly, at least this is how I see it | 17:24 |
| rloo | vdrok: you ok with that? we'll just delete the TODO then? | 17:24 |
| JayF | if automatd clean enabled; fail at startup if cleaning network unset, if automated clean disabled; fail manual cleaning when attempted | 17:24 |
| JayF | is that's what's being proposed? | 17:24 |
| vdrok | ok then, a warning in init, and fail to start cleaning if requested | 17:24 |
| mat128 | JayF: I would just fail whenever the cleaning network is required, to keep it simple | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | JayF, this is the previous plan, that not everyone likes | 17:25 |
| rloo | vdrok: do you know if it will fail cleaning as described here? | 17:25 |
| rloo | vdrok: or do we need to add code to do so? (i guess we should check) | 17:25 |
| JayF | I am not sure I'm fond of allowing the conductor to fail late if automatic cleaning is enabled | 17:25 |
| vdrok | OK yeah, what JayF proposes is better | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, for automatic I think we should fail at startup too | 17:26 |
| JayF | because you could be in for a nasty surprise as a deployer when your entire capacity is in clean failed after deletes | 17:26 |
| lucasagomes | because we know it's going to fail | 17:26 |
| rloo | JayF: the conductor won't fail? just cleaning will fail. or did i miss something? | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | for the record: for me it's mostly the same as deploy kernel/ramdisk, so I'm not sure why we treat them differently.. | 17:26 |
| vdrok | rloo: condcutor | 17:26 |
| vdrok | if auto clean is enabled | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | JayF, you won't end up with nodes in "available" state, if cleaning is broken, right? | 17:26 |
| JayF | exactly | 17:26 |
| JayF | it's a DoS | 17:26 |
| JayF | because your nodes all get stuck in clean failed | 17:26 |
| rloo | vdrok: what? the conductor should never fail *after* it has been started up? | 17:26 |
| mat128 | JayF: presuming you haven't even tried it once | 17:26 |
| vdrok | rloo: it is going to happen in that init_host bit :) | 17:27 |
| rloo | vdrok: that's ok, that's part of the start up of the conductor. | 17:27 |
| mat128 | What happens if the network uuid referenced is deleted after startup? | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | JayF, I mean, you can't have "a nasty surprise as a deployer when your entire capacity is in clean failed after deletes" because you won't have instances to delete | 17:27 |
| mat128 | dtantsur: he meant you wont have available nodes afterwards | 17:27 |
| JayF | dtantsur: ooooh. because you have to traverse cleaning to get to available | 17:27 |
| vdrok | mat128: that is handled by validate() method of the interface | 17:27 |
| JayF | dtantsur: so it is still an "early" fail | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | kind of | 17:27 |
| mat128 | vdrok: but the case described by JayF will still happen | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | mat128, and I'm reminding that we run cleaning after enrolling nodes before they're available the first time in their life | 17:28 |
| TheJulia | But if validate fails, then the node can't be deployed in the first place | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | so for this case to be real, you have to drop cleaning_network from ironic.conf after the instances are provisioned | 17:28 |
| JayF | if automatic cleaning is enabled and can't succeed, you'd never have available nodes to schedule to | 17:29 |
| jroll | TheJulia: oh it can :) | 17:29 |
| JayF | that makes sense, and I hadn't thought about it | 17:29 |
| jroll | TheJulia: I think nova only checks deploy interface validate() | 17:29 |
| vdrok | TheJulia: network interface validate is not called all the time I think | 17:29 |
| TheJulia | jroll: unless the explicit validate call has been removed from our nova plugin, nova instances shouldn't be deployed. | 17:29 |
| TheJulia | vdrok: okay, that makes me sad | 17:29 |
| JayF | so I'm OK with failing on attempt in both cases, with that in mind (I'm also OK with failing at startup in the automated_clean=True case), either way is fine | 17:29 |
| TheJulia | jroll: I could have sworn it was the same as node-validate on the command line | 17:30 |
| vdrok | TheJulia: in nova, I think only power and deploy are validated | 17:30 |
| jroll | TheJulia: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py#L822-L825 | 17:30 |
| jroll | yeah, deploy/power | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | we should also decide if we want cleaning_network to be set per node. if we do, we can't make it mandatory in configuration, I guess. | 17:30 |
| jroll | I'm okay with doing this at runtime and not startup | 17:30 |
| jroll | dtantsur: I think we've agreed that before, but nobody did the work | 17:30 |
| TheJulia | jroll: thx, I feel sad now | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | jroll, yeah, we have an RFE hanging around | 17:31 |
| rloo | jroll, dtantsur: do we have an rfe for that? | 17:31 |
| TheJulia | truthfully, we need to add network to that list :( | 17:31 |
| rloo | dtantsur: thx :) | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | I remember creating one :) | 17:31 |
| jroll | TheJulia: ehhh, we should add network maybe, but we don't want to give up if e.g. inspect fails validation | 17:31 |
| TheJulia | jroll: yeah | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1614876 | 17:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1614876 in Ironic "[RFE] Allow setting {provisioning,cleaning}_network_uuid in node driver_info" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 17:31 |
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| jroll | ok I feel like we should timebox this a bit | 17:32 |
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| rloo | i think we're done. | 17:32 |
| jroll | does anyone loudly disagree with failing things at runtime and not failing at startup? | 17:32 |
| * rloo can't parse that but thinks she understands | 17:32 | |
| vdrok | i'd still prefer startup if auto clean enabled, but fine with both | 17:33 |
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| mat128_ | +1 to failing at runtime, ideally In validate | 17:33 |
| JayF | vdrok: yeah, I'm less worried about that TBH now that I remember it won't work anyway :) | 17:33 |
| jroll | okay cool, let's move on | 17:33 |
| jroll | #topic do we need microversions/deprecation for this patch? | 17:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "do we need microversions/deprecation for this patch? (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:33 | |
| rloo | since we have to change something, it is simple enough to do what vdrok suggested (fail if auto clean enabled) | 17:33 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/315766 | 17:33 |
| vdrok | that's me again. rloo and JayF were concerned about that patch | 17:34 |
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| vdrok | this one was done a while ago https://review.openstack.org/314514 bu we didn't get to the other two | 17:34 |
| JayF | rloo: the thing is apparently we want to eventually support per-node provisioninig || cleaning uuid (bug #1614876), which would mean we can't fail at lack of the config opt without omitting other possible valid configs | 17:34 |
| openstack | bug 1614876 in Ironic "[RFE] Allow setting {provisioning,cleaning}_network in node driver_info" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1614876 | 17:34 |
| mariojv | what's the disadvantage to the version bump? | 17:34 |
| rloo | JayF: good point! | 17:35 |
| JayF | mariojv: == my opinion about it. a new version is cheap, so I don't understand why we shouldn't bump it on even a minor change | 17:35 |
| mariojv | yeah | 17:35 |
| vdrok | mariojv: as it seems to me, it is a bug, we have not ever advertised it's possible, and it brings issues with naming nodes/ports etc. | 17:35 |
| rloo | wrt the bug/microversion. what isn't clear to me, is what APIs are being prevented, and are any of them 'reasonable' apis that someone might have been using | 17:35 |
| vdrok | if microversion, we'll have to support old buggy behaviour forever :( | 17:36 |
| TheJulia | vdrok: +1 | 17:36 |
| jroll | rloo: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315766/22/releasenotes/notes/fix-more-url-collisions-a047f468c260cd23.yaml | 17:36 |
| jroll | they don't appear to be reasonable APIs to me | 17:36 |
| rloo | jroll: why doesn't someone put that info in the actual commit?! :) | 17:36 |
| jroll | rloo: ask the committer :) | 17:36 |
| mariojv | vdrok has a decent point about supporting old buggy endpoints i think | 17:36 |
| JayF | FWIW, I'm not strongly opinionated that this should be behind a microversion. I just wanted this conversation to happen with a larger audience :) | 17:36 |
| rloo | what does/did those invalid urls return? | 17:36 |
| mariojv | forgot about that piece | 17:36 |
| lucasagomes | I think I agree with vdrok here, even if it's cheap to bump the version I don't like the idea of being "backward bug compatible" | 17:37 |
| rloo | alternative is to deprecate them, and delete them in next cycle+3months blah blah | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | ++ to question whether they returned something meaningful at all | 17:37 |
| lucasagomes | I would prefer to defects like that to be fixed on all versions | 17:37 |
| jroll | oh, interesting, we're changing a tempest test here | 17:37 |
| TheJulia | Nor do I like the idea of backwards compatible bugs. I think we should do it without a version bump if we're not changing the prescribed/documented interface | 17:37 |
| JayF | I got the impression from the patch/bug that you could use /v1/nodes/ports the same as /v1/ports | 17:37 |
| jroll | that means these were tested | 17:38 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: yeah, these endpoints work as the proper ones do | 17:38 |
| JayF | And that's a mistake it'd be relatively trivial for someone tomake using the API, and think it was the "right thing" when it worked | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | so, one can e.g. create a port with them? hmm, this is bad | 17:38 |
| JayF | I also think saying "it's not an endpoint we documented" isn't a great argument, because we haven't always had comprehensive API docs | 17:38 |
| TheJulia | True | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | yeah, and we even covered one of these with tests :) | 17:39 |
| TheJulia | The alternative is to version bump to indicate the change, but break compatability | 17:39 |
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| TheJulia | or, just keep the buggy behavior forever in v1 | 17:39 |
| rloo | no to buggy behaviour. i'd prefer a microversion bump to buggy behaviour | 17:40 |
| jroll | this assumes that it's a fact that this is "buggy behavior" | 17:40 |
| jroll | it was clearly unexpected to most of us | 17:40 |
| jroll | but e.g. one thing this changes is disabling /v1/nodes/states/console?node_ident=foo | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | it's not really buggy, just not quite restful | 17:41 |
| rloo | is it worth asking the api working group for their recommendation? | 17:41 |
| vdrok | rloo: a problem with microversion is, we change the way routing works there, doing backwards compat may be not trivial there | 17:41 |
| jroll | which is only a bug because we didn't intentionally put it there | 17:41 |
| rloo | vdrok: sigh. | 17:41 |
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| jroll | also, I take back what I said about these not being reasonable, they seem reasonable to me | 17:41 |
| JayF | I can't imagine we don't break at least a few users of the API if we push this without a microversion | 17:42 |
| jroll | s/they seem/some seem/ | 17:42 |
| rloo | JayF: even if we push with a microversion, i suspect we'll break someone. who really looks... | 17:42 |
| * dtantsur hopes we don't use it in ironicclient :D | 17:42 | |
| JayF | rloo: they'll have to request latest || newer microversion for new feature | 17:42 |
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| JayF | rloo: and will get the notification then, during development, rather than beings urprised at something not working mid/post upgrade | 17:43 |
| JayF | rloo: that's how we expect all microversion changes to "trickle down" to users, right? | 17:43 |
| vdrok | sambetts: are you around? | 17:43 |
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| rloo | JayF: right, so if we remove this, we should 'at least' microversion it... | 17:43 |
| JayF | okay, then we agree :) | 17:43 |
| sambetts | vdrok: hi | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | that's why we introduced microversions in the beginning :) | 17:44 |
| jroll | I almost feel like it isn't worth removing | 17:44 |
| vdrok | sambetts: your patch discussed :) | 17:44 |
| TheJulia | jroll: I was just about to say something similar but with way too many words | 17:44 |
| dtantsur | jroll++ maybe just document/test it as a non-recommended alias | 17:44 |
| vdrok | sambetts: this chain https://review.openstack.org/316149 | 17:44 |
| vdrok | ok, so, seems like most people are in favour of microversion. | 17:45 |
| jroll | I'm in favor of just leaving it alone | 17:45 |
| TheJulia | perhaps we should vote | 17:45 |
| rloo | so the only things we gain with removing those endpoints: 1. cleaner/more understandable code; 2. ?? | 17:45 |
| jroll | but would be fine with a microversion | 17:45 |
| rloo | i'm still trying to understand the pros/cons of this | 17:46 |
| mat128_ | Document them as being available since version X and you're done | 17:46 |
| JayF | rloo: if I name a node "port", it will be usable via node.name post-fix but not pre-fix | 17:46 |
| jroll | rloo: 2) less duplicate API paths, 3) you could now name a node "ports", "states", etc | 17:46 |
| TheJulia | mat128_: You know, you have a good point there | 17:46 |
| sambetts | So I think this ties into the api rework conversations we were having at the summit, I'm not sure where that conversation lead | 17:46 |
| JayF | the namespace pollution is the worst part of the bug, tbh | 17:46 |
| jroll | JayF: s/worst/only/ | 17:46 |
| jroll | :) | 17:46 |
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| JayF | jroll: sure | 17:47 |
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| mariojv | is there anything preventing someone from naming a node "ports" today ? | 17:47 |
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| rloo | so if it is easy to implement (remove) via microversion, i say do that. otherwise, leave as is. | 17:47 |
| mariojv | maybe the fix is to disallow that and hide behind microversion | 17:47 |
| vdrok | with the amount of logic we have in api, I think I'd prefer leaving as is instead of microversion :) | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | mariojv, it's sad, but yeah, we should fail early | 17:47 |
| sambetts | I think lucasagomes added code to block that | 17:48 |
| JayF | mariojv: that's a solid suggestion. Just ban names for nodes that overlap "special" ironic api words like node, port, state, etc | 17:48 |
| lucasagomes | yeah there are some names that are blacklisted | 17:48 |
| lucasagomes | because they didn't work | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | HTTP 400 "we're brilliant in desiging APIs, so please do not call your nodes 'ports" :D | 17:48 |
| mariojv | lol | 17:48 |
| mat128_ | 500? :) | 17:48 |
| vdrok | the problem is as I said, routing is changed a bit, so allowing both cdepending on microversion won't be easy | 17:48 |
| TheJulia | lol | 17:48 |
| lucasagomes | like ports, it would redirect you to the v1/ports instead of the name called ports :-) | 17:48 |
| vsaienk0 | :) | 17:48 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: +++ :) | 17:49 |
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| TheJulia | Note: 10 minutes remaining. | 17:50 |
| jroll | ^ | 17:50 |
| jroll | do we need to vote on this? | 17:50 |
| rloo | only if someone thinks we should not leave things as is | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | maybe first investigate how hard it is to microversion it? | 17:50 |
| mariojv | i think we should at least block colliding node names | 17:50 |
| mariojv | agreed that this is hard to microversion with a glance at the patch | 17:50 |
| TheJulia | I agree with both dtantsur and mariojv | 17:51 |
| jroll | heh, ditto | 17:51 |
| mariojv | if we voted, what would the options be? leave as-is, keep the patch as-is, hide patch behind microversion, and block colliding node names? | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | dtantsur, heh yeah it's terrible... but in fairness, we had no idea about rest APIs when we started | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | (nor wsme for what maters) | 17:51 |
| lucasagomes | :-/ | 17:51 |
| vdrok | pecan brings surprises as well :) | 17:52 |
| mariojv | this is something we can fix in v2 api also | 17:52 |
| lucasagomes | vdrok, true | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | my vote is 1. microversion it, if it's reasonable, 2. block colliding names with a microversion if it's not | 17:52 |
| mariojv | dtantsur: +1 | 17:52 |
| mariojv | 2 can be a compromise until v2 api | 17:52 |
| TheJulia | I agree | 17:52 |
| jroll | +1 | 17:52 |
| rloo | i dunno, can't we just block colliding names, or do we need the microversion in case they already exist? | 17:53 |
| mariojv | yes ^ | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | rloo, it depends on how usable such nodes are | 17:53 |
| mariojv | ooh, that's a good point actually - what's the behavior today when those nodes are used ? | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | I didn't investigate. if literally everything is broken with them, there is no use in microversioning | 17:54 |
| vdrok | mariojv: they are not usable by name I suppose | 17:54 |
| mariojv | so for dtantsur option 2, condition microversion bump on whether those nodes are usable by name today | 17:54 |
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| dtantsur | s/by name// | 17:54 |
| mariojv | sure | 17:54 |
| jroll | keep in mind node-create can't be called twice with the same name | 17:54 |
| rloo | sambetts: you good with the above discussion? (not that you have to make the changes, just want to be sure you're ok) | 17:54 |
| TheJulia | 5 Minute warning. | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | if they can create such node, and can use it with UUID, we should not block it without microversions | 17:55 |
| jroll | so... can't really break a workflow unless someone is constantly doing installations with these names | 17:55 |
| jroll | dtantsur: we should only block setting the name, nothing else, imo | 17:55 |
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| dtantsur | jroll, this blocks node-create | 17:55 |
| sambetts | rloo: yeah, I think we need to continue the v2 discusions at the PTG though | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | even if they end up never using it by name at all | 17:55 |
| rloo | sambetts: ok. | 17:56 |
| jroll | ok let's take this to channel to leave room for open discussion | 17:56 |
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| jroll | #topic open discussion | 17:56 |
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| joanna | I have something :) | 17:56 |
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| joanna | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1650347 | 17:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1650347 in Ironic "ironic-conductor should not exit 0 on failure" [Medium,Incomplete] - Assigned to Joanna Taryma (jtaryma) | 17:56 |
| mariojv | aNuposic had a fix for that i thought | 17:57 |
| mariojv | launcher.wait() returns correct status code, i think, so we just have to pass that to sys.exit | 17:57 |
| mariojv | i guess the code for that isn't up yet | 17:57 |
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| joanna | I started thinking, if it's good that all the processes we start in devstack are actually executed in background and piped so original return codes are overwritten | 17:57 |
| vsaienk0 | please review ironic standalone tests https://review.openstack.org/#/c/423556/ so we can remove at least 4 jobs when consider they are stable enough | 17:57 |
| rloo | i humbly request that the new PTL send email to the dev list this week about PTG etherpad, what folks should be putting in that and what we will do in monday's meeting (if anything) wrt that. | 17:58 |
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| TheJulia | rloo: +1 | 17:58 |
| jroll | joanna: hrm, dunno, but that's a discussion to have with the qa team, I think | 17:58 |
| jroll | rloo: ++ | 17:58 |
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| aNuposic | mariojv: yes launcher.waits() returns correct code but return codes are overwritten | 17:58 |
| rloo | vsaienk0: is that part of the CI work (in subteam? if so, maybe add that link to our etherpad.) | 17:59 |
| mat128_ | When are results going to be announced? | 17:59 |
| jroll | 45 seconds for anything last minute | 17:59 |
| joanna | mariojv: not really - status code is 1 when exception is raised, yet the whole command returns 0 from echo/tee | 17:59 |
| mat128_ | I can just look it up :) | 17:59 |
| mariojv | mat128_: i had that question too | 17:59 |
| jroll | mat128_: after the election ends :P | 17:59 |
| mat128_ | Jroll yeeeah | 17:59 |
| jroll | mat128_: https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 17:59 |
| jlvillal | joanna: Might be able to change our devstack code in openstack/ironic/devstack/lib/ironic | 17:59 |
| vsaienk0 | rloo yes | 17:59 |
| mariojv | joanna: oh - i saw the bug as more about the ironic process than devstack | 17:59 |
| mariojv | joanna: but i agree, that should be brought up with qa team - maybe have a separate bug for it ?\ | 18:00 |
| jroll | ok we're done | 18:00 |
| jroll | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| rloo | BANG | 18:00 |
| mariojv | thx all | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 6 18:00:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| jroll | thanks y'all | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-02-06-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| aNuposic | mariojv: i tried calling the return value of launcher.wait() to sys.exit() but no success | 18:00 |
| joanna | :) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-02-06-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| JayF | o/ | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-02-06-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| mat128_ | Ty | 18:00 |
| TheJulia | Thank you jroll | 18:00 |
| aslezil | o/ | 18:00 |
| rloo | darn, wanted jroll's last meeting to end with a bang... | 18:00 |
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| csmart | thanks everyone \o | 18:00 |
| jroll | BANG! | 18:00 |
| JayF | ! | 18:00 |
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| csmart | lol | 18:00 |
| dtantsur | heh, thanks | 18:00 |
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| crushil | thanks | 18:01 |
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