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| tdurakov | #startmeeting Nova Live Migration | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Feb 14 14:01:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tdurakov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_live_migration' | 14:01 |
| tdurakov | hi everyone | 14:01 |
| davidgiluk | hi | 14:01 |
| siva_krishnan | hi | 14:01 |
| tdurakov | since there were no meeting last week let's walk through the previous topics | 14:01 |
| tdurakov | #topic CI | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: Nova Live Migration)" | 14:02 | |
| tdurakov | so, any news about the CI progress? | 14:02 |
| * johnthetubaguy lurks because of all the bug fixes patches he has pending | 14:03 | |
| pkoniszewski | one thing | 14:04 |
| pkoniszewski | Matt uploaded new patch, let me find it | 14:04 |
| siva_krishnan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/431848/ | 14:04 |
| pkoniszewski | exactly this one | 14:05 |
| pkoniszewski | thanks! | 14:05 |
| pkoniszewski | this one sets LIVE_MIGRATE_BACK_AND_FORTH to True in project config | 14:05 |
| pkoniszewski | instead of devstack-gate | 14:05 |
| tdurakov | oh, it's a workaround for the back-and-froth | 14:05 |
| tdurakov | s/forth | 14:06 |
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| tdurakov | I wonder, have clarkb seen it? | 14:06 |
| pkoniszewski | i don't know | 14:06 |
| siva_krishnan | we can add him as reviewer | 14:07 |
| tdurakov | will add him | 14:08 |
| tdurakov | serial console hook is still on review... | 14:09 |
| tdurakov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346815/ - will catch markus_z after meeting, to figure out if he still working on this one | 14:10 |
| tdurakov | ok | 14:10 |
| tdurakov | let's move on | 14:10 |
| tdurakov | #bugs | 14:10 |
| tdurakov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1658877 | 14:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1658877 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live migration failed with XenServer as hypervisor" [High,In progress] - Assigned to huan (huan-xie) | 14:11 |
| tdurakov | overall a fix for that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424428/ looks ok, but there are no CI | 14:12 |
| tdurakov | so, I've tried to deploy multinode locally, so had issues with deployment itself | 14:12 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: thoughts? | 14:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I was trusting the folks from Citrix on having tested that one | 14:18 |
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| tdurakov | ok, let's merge it then... | 14:18 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: any updates on claims? | 14:19 |
| pkoniszewski | no updates this time | 14:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: thats my take, just needs another core at this point | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have some interesting bugs around the timeouts folks hit in production | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | Bug 1644248 | 14:20 |
| openstack | bug 1644248 in OpenStack Compute (nova) ocata "Nova incorrectly tracks live migration progress" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1644248 - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 14:20 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430218/ | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | and Bug 1662626 | 14:21 |
| openstack | bug 1662626 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live-migrate left in migrating as domain not found" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662626 - Assigned to John Garbutt (johngarbutt) | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430404 (and the dependent patch) | 14:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OSIC has been doing live-migrate benchmarking | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | and these appear to be the issues that were blocking getting 100% success | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | (it was for a given "tuned" workload) | 14:22 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: thanks for these 2 | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | so would be great to get eyes those | 14:23 |
| tdurakov | second looks interesting... | 14:23 |
| tdurakov | yeah | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | FWIW, after applying these patches (and the one we got into RC2) we were able to get 100% live-migrate success | 14:23 |
| tdurakov | got it, anyway, will review | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | pkoniszewski: I would love a deep libvirt look at that domain not found one, it was a bit strange | 14:24 |
| tdurakov | pkoniszewski: do you need some help with claims? | 14:24 |
| pkoniszewski | claims are on a good way\ | 14:24 |
| pkoniszewski | i will take a look on this one johnthetubaguy | 14:25 |
| tdurakov | ok, cool | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am curious if folks are OK with the removal of the completion timeout, it seemed the best thing to do | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean the progress timeout | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | and changing the auto post_copy trigger | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430218 | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | pkoniszewski: I messed up one of your changes a little bit too, trying to re-work it on top of all of these changes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408002 | 14:26 |
| pkoniszewski | i haven't had time to take a deep look yet | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | pkoniszewski: no worries | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am really wondering if we can ship defaults that mean (when post copy is available) users never hit live-migration timeouts, that would be kinda cool | 14:28 |
| pkoniszewski | some operators keep saying that they dont want to use post copy | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | I do wonder if operators want to control the action on competition timeout, either pause, post_copy or error out the live-migrate | 14:29 |
| davidgiluk | johnthetubaguy: Depending how you do storage migration possibly | 14:29 |
| pkoniszewski | i think that Chet is one of them | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, if you timeout migrating storage, thats a looog pause | 14:29 |
| pkoniszewski | he said that it is a way too big risk with way too big impact on workloads | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | pkoniszewski: so he favours a longer downtime I believe, I think he uses 1000 ms rather than 500 ms, but we seem to keep rejecting that change upstream | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | maybe pause the VM by default, if you hit the timeout (assuming disk copy has completed)? | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, some patches up around that area, feels like we can make live-migrate feel way more reliable with those changes | 14:32 |
| pkoniszewski | should this be new option in nova.conf? I mean, action_on_timeout or something like that? | 14:32 |
| pkoniszewski | so it might be changed between abort, pause and post-copy | 14:33 |
| pkoniszewski | or abort|force | 14:33 |
| pkoniszewski | i guess that was your initial proposition, johnthetubaguy? | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | possibly | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | currently I just do post_copy if enabled, or abort | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | since thats the only timeout we have for the auto trigger now | 14:34 |
| * davidgiluk still thinks it's not a per-host config; if people are worried about postcopy then I'd assume they're worried about it for some hyper-critical VMs | 14:34 | |
| pkoniszewski | got disconnected, sorry | 14:35 |
| tdurakov | why not to leave this options to operator | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | davidgiluk: you mean for the force-live-migrate call? | 14:35 |
| davidgiluk | johnthetubaguy: Yeh - I mean the problem is whether it's a 'this is what we do for all our VMs' or a 'this is what we do for this class of VMs' | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | davidgiluk: honestly, it feels more like an image property or flavor property thing, than an API thing | 14:36 |
| davidgiluk | johnthetubaguy: Yeh | 14:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so really I want to make it so folks never really have to call foce-live-migrate | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | so if they get some preference from the image, I am OK with that | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | the conf is more just "allow or disable post-copy" then | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | but anyways, thats a separate spec | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | I should probably do a spec for this, now we have the bug fix out the way (default to no progress timeout) | 14:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we should move on to the next thing I guess | 14:41 |
| tdurakov | johnthetubaguy: the thing is that the behaviour will be different, and not sure it will be fine to store it on image meta | 14:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | tdurakov: we change behaviour quite a lot with other image properties, either way, it needs a spec to discuss all the details, will put that on my TODO list | 14:43 |
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| tdurakov | kk | 14:43 |
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| siva_krishnan | we can try to do it based in the info that we can get from vm diagnostics as well | 14:43 |
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| tdurakov | #topic pike bps | 14:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | siva_krishnan: not sure what you mean, I am curious, can talk more offline | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess, what do we need to cover at the PTG / who will be there? | 14:45 |
| siva_krishnan | sure johnthetubaguy | 14:45 |
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| pkoniszewski | i will be there, cfriesen added claim patches to the list | 14:46 |
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| tdurakov | me too | 14:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, I am going, happy to talk about those things above, and the results of the OSIC testing | 14:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I know raj_singh said he would be there | 14:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, thats a good number for a good discussion | 14:47 |
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| tdurakov | let's discuss it on the ptg then | 14:49 |
| tdurakov | #topic open discussions | 14:49 |
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| siva_krishnan | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662626 | 14:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1662626 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live-migrate left in migrating as domain not found" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to John Garbutt (johngarbutt) | 14:49 |
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| siva_krishnan | sorry wrong bug link | 14:50 |
| siva_krishnan | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1605016 | 14:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1605016 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Post copy live migration interrupts network connectivity" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Sivasathurappan Radhakrishnan (siva-radhakrishnan) | 14:50 |
| siva_krishnan | I am trying to do network port binding based on VIR_DOMAIN_EVENT_SUSPENDED_POSTCOPY and VIR_DOMAIN_EVENT_SUSPENDED_MIGRATED. Any thoughts/suggestions on this one ? | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I was suggesting we go for the event that means the VM is now paused on the source node | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we get a change to update the network updated before we resume on the destination host, but not too soon, while the VM might still take a while to actually trigger the post copy action | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/change/chance/ | 14:52 |
| davidgiluk | I think there's an event you can get from the destination | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | but on the destination its too late I believe, its already moved | 14:52 |
| siva_krishnan | I have a patch ready for it based on your suggestions johnthetubaguy. just wanted to know tdurakov, davidgiluk and pkoniszewski thoughts on it as well | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | you got the link handy? | 14:52 |
| davidgiluk | johnthetubaguy: Not if it's running with -S - qemu wont have autostarted it; I was just worrying about the source stopping but the destination not quite being ready yet | 14:53 |
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| davidgiluk | siva_krishnan: Can you loop jdenemar in - he knows what it looks like from a libvirt view of it, I only know what it looks like from deeper in qemu | 14:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | davidgiluk: sorry, I totally lost you there | 14:53 |
| siva_krishnan | As of now I just have WIP patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432370/ whcih I shared with you earlier | 14:54 |
| davidgiluk | siva_krishnan: Can you add that to the lp if it isn't already ? | 14:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | davidgiluk: I don't believe we need the destination to be ready before we make the neutron switch, at least thats what the neutron folks were saying, as the VIF plug already happened in a pre-live-migrate step | 14:54 |
| davidgiluk | johnthetubaguy: Ah ok, that's ok then | 14:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats an assumption people nodded at, rather than me being 100% certainly though | 14:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | but seems like we are good for the 80% case for sure | 14:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | siva_krishnan: you OK finding jdenemar and asking them what they think? | 14:56 |
| siva_krishnan | johnthetubaguy: yeah sure will do it. | 14:57 |
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| tdurakov | so, need to finish, thanks to everyone | 14:57 |
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| tdurakov | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Feb 14 14:57:41 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2017/nova_live_migration.2017-02-14-14.01.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2017/nova_live_migration.2017-02-14-14.01.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2017/nova_live_migration.2017-02-14-14.01.log.html | 14:57 |
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