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| soichi | hi | 05:30 |
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| kaz | hello | 05:31 |
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| soichi | startmeeting taas | 05:34 |
| soichi | #startmeeting taas | 05:35 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 15 05:35:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is soichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:35 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:35 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:35 |
| yamamoto | hi | 05:35 |
| soichi | yamamoto: hi | 05:35 |
| soichi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas | 05:35 |
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| soichi | i'd like to wait several minutes | 05:36 |
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| reedip | hi sorry | 05:37 |
| soichi | i hope anil is availabe today because he added several topics on the Wiki | 05:37 |
| soichi | reedip: hi | 05:37 |
| reedip | soichi, yamamoto I tried to install the following : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron-taas/0.0.0+git20160926.675af77-0ubuntu1 | 05:39 |
| soichi | was it successful? | 05:40 |
| reedip | It was, but after http://paste.openstack.org/show/598935/ | 05:41 |
| reedip | There were a LOT of dependencies which needed to be resolved | 05:41 |
| reedip | installation was successful but it gave a lot of trouble later | 05:41 |
| reedip | so I have marked the test as unsuccesful. | 05:42 |
| reedip | However, I see now that they have launched a new package : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron-taas/0.0.0+git20161126.094be-0ubuntu1 | 05:42 |
| reedip | this is based on the Ocata Master | 05:42 |
| soichi | reedip: thank you for your informatin | 05:43 |
| reedip | but as the package is released before the official release of other packages ( neutron, neutronclient, oslo etc) , it is difficult to test it with other components | 05:43 |
| reedip | because of the unstability of the components | 05:43 |
| soichi | i understood | 05:44 |
| reedip | Updated the wiki for the same :) | 05:46 |
| soichi | let's go on the today's tpoics | 05:49 |
| soichi | #topic Work items to get merged into Neutron Stadium | 05:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Work items to get merged into Neutron Stadium (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:49 | |
| yamamoto | reedip: have you informed the packager issues you saw? | 05:49 |
| reedip | yamamoto : no | 05:49 |
| yamamoto | reedip: you will? | 05:50 |
| reedip | But they have mention that the package is from the unstable revision, so I guess that would already be a risk issue | 05:50 |
| reedip | yamamoto : the package has written that its from the current Upstream version ( they have taken the snapshot of the branch from a specific point in the current release , and made a package out of it ) | 05:51 |
| reedip | so , IMHO, it was expected to be a bit unstable. the problem is I installed a base openstack of newton and used this tap package and it failed, and I used it on Mitaka, it failed as well | 05:52 |
| reedip | because this has been taken in between mitaka and newton :| | 05:52 |
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| yamamoto | reedip: if you don't plan to provide a feedback to them, i'm not sure why you tested it in the first place. :-) | 05:55 |
| reedip | yamamoto : hehehe, no I didnt plan, I tested it completely this week | 05:56 |
| reedip | yamamoto : sure, I will ask them to make the package from the official release | 05:56 |
| soichi | reedip: +1 | 05:57 |
| yamamoto | reedip: good idea | 05:57 |
| yamamoto | i guess there hasn't been many changes from the snapshot though | 05:58 |
| yamamoto | let's move on | 05:58 |
| soichi | i think it is better to postpone today's topic (work items to get merged into Noutron Stadium) to next IRC meeting becuase anil is not available today. What do you think? | 06:01 |
| reedip | I would not be there next week for the meeting due to PTG :) | 06:02 |
| soichi | reedip: yes | 06:02 |
| reedip | but I can definetly look into the points for stadium there. | 06:02 |
| reedip | yamamoto, soichi, you guys coming? | 06:02 |
| soichi | next IRC will be on the week of 2/27 | 06:02 |
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| soichi | reedip: yes, i will attend the Atlanta PTG | 06:03 |
| reedip | gr8 soichi :) | 06:03 |
| yamamoto | reedip: yes | 06:03 |
| reedip | yamamoto : cool. | 06:04 |
| reedip | btw I asked the question on https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron-taas/+question/460600 | 06:04 |
| reedip | so hopefully they can answer and we can look forward on the official package for TaaS | 06:04 |
| soichi | reedip: thank you | 06:05 |
| soichi | #topic Open Discussion | 06:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:05 | |
| reedip | do we need role based access control in TaaS ? | 06:06 |
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| soichi | i guess it is required if TaaS supports "Legal Intercept". | 06:09 |
| reedip | soichi can you elaborate "Legal Intercept " ? | 06:09 |
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| soichi | anil_rao: hi | 06:10 |
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| anil_rao | Hi | 06:10 |
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| soichi | reedip: port mirroring by administrator, i think | 06:10 |
| anil_rao | Sorry for being late to the meeting | 06:10 |
| reedip | anil_rao : no issues, better late than never :) | 06:11 |
| soichi | :) | 06:11 |
| reedip | soichi : hmm, so it means if you want the tap service port to access data of multiple tap flows | 06:12 |
| reedip | of different tenants | 06:12 |
| reedip | and if those tenants actually agree to this, then yes, its possible | 06:12 |
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| anil_rao | Crossing tenant boundaries is not going to be simple, so is there a real need for this. | 06:14 |
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| soichi | i suppose an administrator who belongs to a cloud service provider (that is, infra operator) | 06:14 |
| reedip | anil_rao : tenant_boudaries are decided by the policy which would be enforced | 06:14 |
| reedip | anil_rao, soichi: however, if there is a need for tenants to connect their VMs to a cloud admin tap-service, then it can be used. | 06:15 |
| anil_rao | this issue is not that. Different tenants may have same IP ranges for their subnets and when you being all of that traffic to a common point you will not be able to distinguish anything. | 06:15 |
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| soichi | nail_rao: i see | 06:16 |
| reedip | anil_rao : and we are filtering based on the IP and not on the MAC , so yeah that can be an issue | 06:16 |
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| anil_rao | Filtering on MAC is possible in theory but generally not practical because that is very hard to keep track of. Filtering on IP addresses and IP ranges is more commonly used. | 06:17 |
| anil_rao | The cloud admin can deploy collector VMs in each tenant they want to monitor and have TaaS deliver traffic to those collector VMs. Then from the collector VMs the traffic can be suitably forwarded to any destination of choice. During this second hop the traffic could either be tagged or appropriate tunnel IDs could be used to keep track of different tenants. | 06:20 |
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| anil_rao | I think this problem is more suited to a particular use case. | 06:20 |
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| soichi | anil_rao: agree | 06:21 |
| yamamoto | what do you mean by "tenant"? tenant_id/project_id thing is not necessarily related to network isolation/ip address overlap/etc. | 06:21 |
| anil_rao | What I was referring to is that two tenants or projects may be using the same IP range (e.g. 192.169.0.0/24). If we placed traffic from these two tenants onto a single tap-service destination port, we won't be able to determine where they originated from. | 06:22 |
| yamamoto | soichi: reedip: i'm not sure how it maps to rbac. can you explain? | 06:22 |
| yamamoto | anil_rao: sure, but even a single tenant can use multiple networks with the same ip range. | 06:23 |
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| anil_rao | yamamoto: That is true and in that case I'd recommend the use of separate tap-services. However this situation is not common for a single tenant. Across a tenant is actually very common because common IP ranges are used by everyoen all the time. | 06:25 |
| yamamoto | anil_rao: what's wrong with separate tap-services for "cross tenant" case? | 06:26 |
| anil_rao | We have seen many OpenStack deployments where all tenants are given a few default networks with exactly the same IP ranges. :-) | 06:26 |
| reedip | anil_rao : really ??? | 06:27 |
| anil_rao | reedip: it is more common that you'd think. An admin instantiates tenants from a template and they are just about identical in all respects. | 06:28 |
| reedip | ok | 06:28 |
| anil_rao | yamamoto: I think separate tap-services for cross tenant case is fine, as long as this is not abused. Now, that would be bad. :-) | 06:28 |
| reedip | yamamoto: I was thinking if there is ever a requirement for a group of tenants to mirror their data to a single destination, but the destination is not exposed to all tenants | 06:29 |
| anil_rao | One other thing that I have noticed in our experience with traffic monitoring is that the destination will more than likely not be able to handle more than a few source ports. | 06:29 |
| yamamoto | reedip: so you want rbac for the destination? | 06:31 |
| anil_rao | If you start taking traffic from multiple tenants to a specifc port you will more than likely create serious conjection. | 06:31 |
| soichi | it seems run out of time | 06:32 |
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| soichi | let's continue on the next IRC on the week of 2/27 (next week IRC meeting being canceled because of PTG week) | 06:32 |
| anil_rao | Sure. I have added a few topics for discusison that we can talk about then. :-) | 06:33 |
| soichi | anil_rao: +1 | 06:33 |
| soichi | #endmeeting | 06:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:33 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 15 06:33:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-02-15-05.35.html | 06:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-02-15-05.35.txt | 06:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-02-15-05.35.log.html | 06:33 |
| soichi | bye | 06:33 |
| anil_rao | Bye | 06:34 |
| kaz | bye | 06:34 |
| yamamoto | bye | 06:34 |
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| claudiub | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 15 13:03:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is claudiub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:03 |
| claudiub | hello | 13:03 |
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| claudiub | so, it seems there isn't anyone today. | 13:11 |
| claudiub | just going to note a few things quickly. | 13:11 |
| claudiub | #topic miscellaneous topics | 13:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "miscellaneous topics (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 13:12 | |
| claudiub | just a small fyi, we have made a demo with Kubernetes with Windows and Linux containers + OVS & OVN, if anyone is curious | 13:13 |
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| claudiub | #link Kubernetes with Windows and Linux containers using OVS & OVN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N02K7ZGnVXI | 13:14 |
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| claudiub | another quick note is that we won't have a Hyper-V meeting next week, as most of us will be at the PTG in Atlanta. I'll have to send a mail to the ML about this as well. | 13:15 |
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| claudiub | and if anyone is going there and wishes to meet up to discuss Hyper-V / Windows related topics and future plans, you can drop me a line on IRC or an email, and we'll schedule a meeting. | 13:16 |
| claudiub | regarding the nova Hyper-V driver, we are currently working on a major refactor regarding cold resize / migration. | 13:18 |
| claudiub | it is needed in order to fix a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-win/+bug/1663238 | 13:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663238 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Hyper-V driver destroys and recreates the VM on cold migration / resize" [Medium,Triaged] | 13:19 |
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| claudiub | basically, the nova Hyper-V driver destroys the VM on source and recreates it on destination, which can cause the PCI device IDs to change, causing undesired effects in some cases | 13:20 |
| claudiub | and also, it is needed for shielded VMs as well, in order to allow them to cold migrate or cold resize. If the VMs are destroyed, their TPM data is lost, which is bad. | 13:21 |
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| claudiub | the VM can be imported on the destination node instead of being recreated, but we have to consider updating all the VM resources in the case of a resize (PCI devices, QoS policies, vNUMA topologies, etc.). Which means that a few patches to os-win are needed first. | 13:24 |
| claudiub | currently considering the RemoteFX resize scenario. after this, it should be pretty much done. | 13:26 |
| claudiub | that's about it for now. | 13:27 |
| claudiub | #endmeeting | 13:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 15 13:27:17 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2017/hyper_v.2017-02-15-13.03.html | 13:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2017/hyper_v.2017-02-15-13.03.txt | 13:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2017/hyper_v.2017-02-15-13.03.log.html | 13:27 |
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| zhipeng | anyone here for the publiccloud-wg meeting ? | 14:01 |
| yankcrime | hi zhipeng | 14:01 |
| tobberydberg | I am! Hi! | 14:01 |
| yankcrime | yo tobberydberg | 14:01 |
| astellwag | o/ | 14:01 |
| zhipeng | hey you guys :) | 14:01 |
| yankcrime | \o | 14:02 |
| zhipeng | #startmeeting publiccloud-wg | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 15 14:02:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhipeng. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg' | 14:02 |
| zhipeng | #topic action items from last meeting | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:02 | |
| zhipeng | okey let's browse over the AIs from last meeting | 14:03 |
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| zhipeng | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg | 14:03 |
| zhipeng | please also write down your names on the etherpad :) | 14:04 |
| tobberydberg | Good one! I forgot that last meeting =) | 14:04 |
| zhipeng | the first item is from me, I have provided an etherpad regarding the use case template | 14:04 |
| zhipeng | we could go over it later | 14:05 |
| tobberydberg | Sounds good! | 14:05 |
| zhipeng | the second one is from Tobias, it has been shared with the team in the last meeting | 14:05 |
| zhipeng | so we could close that one as well | 14:05 |
| tobberydberg | Exactly...the link is there | 14:05 |
| zhipeng | but people please do keep updating the excel table | 14:06 |
| tobberydberg | Yes, I think so too | 14:06 |
| zhipeng | should we set a deadline for that ? or just let people updating it ? | 14:06 |
| tobberydberg | I't should be writable for everyone having access to the link | 14:06 |
| astellwag | I'd rather leave it open | 14:06 |
| tobberydberg | Hmm...I think it could be open for now | 14:07 |
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| zhipeng | okey then :) | 14:07 |
| zhipeng | the last AI is also from Tobias | 14:07 |
| tobberydberg | Yes | 14:07 |
| zhipeng | to check out the deadlines for the Forum topic submissio | 14:07 |
| tobberydberg | #link http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-forum/ | 14:07 |
| zhipeng | n | 14:07 |
| zhipeng | have we passed that or do we still have time ? | 14:07 |
| tobberydberg | That is the information I have found for the subject | 14:08 |
| tobberydberg | Says: March 26, 2017: Deadline for proposing Forum sessions | 14:08 |
| zhipeng | Great ! :) | 14:08 |
| tobberydberg | BUT, I got the impression from flanders that we were in a hurry, so I guess I will have to double check that | 14:09 |
| tobberydberg | Or, someone here that have heard anything about this that differs from that? | 14:09 |
| zhipeng | any news from the grapevine ? | 14:09 |
| yankcrime | i've not heard anything | 14:10 |
| zhipeng | okey then I will check with Flanders to see what he meant | 14:10 |
| zhipeng | #action zhipeng to double check with Flanders to see the FOrum deadline | 14:11 |
| tobberydberg | Thanks @zhipeng | 14:11 |
| zhipeng | no problem :) | 14:11 |
| zhipeng | #topic Discuss User Story Template | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discuss User Story Template (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:11 | |
| zhipeng | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg-use-case) | 14:12 |
| yankcrime | link should be https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg-use-case | 14:12 |
| zhipeng | like I mentioned in the last meeting, I mostly took from product working group's user story template | 14:12 |
| zhipeng | thx yankcrime | 14:12 |
| zhipeng | the difference is that I added a section called requirement impacts | 14:13 |
| zhipeng | to make sure that we could document the impacts on project level | 14:14 |
| zhipeng | or on working groups, for example there might be impacts on defcore | 14:14 |
| zhipeng | from interop wg | 14:14 |
| zhipeng | or impacts on the architecture wg's work | 14:14 |
| astellwag | yeah, makes sense | 14:14 |
| zhipeng | any comments are welcomed and you guys could directly put it on the etherpad :) | 14:15 |
| yankcrime | two sections for problem description and definition seems a bit redundant | 14:15 |
| yankcrime | should probably just be one section for 'problem statement' or 'problem definition' | 14:15 |
| zhipeng | good catch yankcrime | 14:16 |
| zhipeng | #info just be one section for 'problem statement' or 'problem definition' | 14:16 |
| yankcrime | same with requirements really, we could collapse that down into just the one section | 14:16 |
| yankcrime | i think getting an example use case written up would help to finalise the template, but really i don't think we should get too hung up on structure as long as the basics are covered and it's coherent | 14:17 |
| zhipeng | agree | 14:18 |
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| zhipeng | yankcrime could you directly put down your suggestion on the etherpad so that I will not forget ? | 14:18 |
| tobberydberg | +1 | 14:18 |
| yankcrime | yeah will do zhipeng | 14:18 |
| zhipeng | great thx | 14:18 |
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| tobberydberg | An example use case would be great! | 14:19 |
| astellwag | +1 | 14:19 |
| zhipeng | so follow up on that, should we setup a repo for publiccloud-wg ? | 14:19 |
| zhipeng | so that we could submit the examples and templates | 14:19 |
| zhipeng | and of course later on actual use cases | 14:20 |
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| tobberydberg | Sounds good! | 14:21 |
| astellwag | +1 | 14:22 |
| yankcrime | yup sounds reasonable | 14:22 |
| zhipeng | so could someone take an action item regarding the repo setup ? :) | 14:22 |
| yankcrime | i've not done this before but would be happy to | 14:23 |
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| tobberydberg | Yep, I can take lead on that one, but I will most probably need som help | 14:23 |
| astellwag | I can assist ;-) | 14:23 |
| tobberydberg | Or, yankcrime, no problem if you would like to take lead! | 14:23 |
| tobberydberg | =) | 14:23 |
| yankcrime | haha | 14:23 |
| yankcrime | damn, i was too quick ;) | 14:23 |
| yankcrime | i don't mind, happy to coordinate via irc or email if anything's unclear | 14:24 |
| zhipeng | so I book it down for tobias :P | 14:24 |
| tobberydberg | We can do it together! I would really like to learn more about that process! | 14:24 |
| zhipeng | #action Tobias and others to setup an individual repo for the publiccloud-wg | 14:25 |
| yankcrime | deal | 14:25 |
| zhipeng | yeah ~~ | 14:25 |
| tobberydberg | +1 | 14:25 |
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| zhipeng | #topic PTG/Summit/Forum discussion | 14:25 |
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| zhipeng | so we have covered the Forum question | 14:26 |
| zhipeng | would any of you guys go to the PTG session in Atlanta ? | 14:26 |
| tobberydberg | yes, the deadline about it at least | 14:26 |
| tobberydberg | No, no PTG for me | 14:26 |
| yankcrime | won't be in atlanta sadly, i'll be in milan for the eu ops midcycle and also in boston for the summit | 14:26 |
| astellwag | I won't be in Atlanta, unfortunately | 14:26 |
| astellwag | Hope to be in Boston though | 14:27 |
| zhipeng | so shall we have a virtual session on irc instead ? | 14:27 |
| zhipeng | find a time next week | 14:27 |
| astellwag | +1 | 14:27 |
| tobberydberg | Sounds good | 14:27 |
| yankcrime | yep | 14:27 |
| tobberydberg | Suggestions? | 14:27 |
| zhipeng | which date is preferred ? | 14:27 |
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| astellwag | any day but tuesday | 14:28 |
| tobberydberg | Is this a good enogh time for everyone? | 14:28 |
| yankcrime | i can do any day apart from tuesday or friday | 14:28 |
| yankcrime | around this time is fine | 14:28 |
| zhipeng | what about Thursday ? | 14:28 |
| zhipeng | about the same time ? | 14:28 |
| astellwag | Thursday works for me | 14:28 |
| tobberydberg | +1 | 14:29 |
| zhipeng | yankcrime ? | 14:29 |
| yankcrime | yep that's cool for me also | 14:30 |
| tobberydberg | Should we send out a "reminder" to the list to invite everyone to this extra meeting? | 14:30 |
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| astellwag | sounds reasonable | 14:30 |
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| zhipeng | sure | 14:30 |
| zhipeng | #agreed virtual PTG session on Feb 23rd on irc | 14:31 |
| tobberydberg | zhipeng, will you be in Atlanta? | 14:31 |
| zhipeng | #action zhipeng to send out a meeting invite | 14:31 |
| zhipeng | yes I will be there | 14:31 |
| tobberydberg | cool! | 14:31 |
| zhipeng | :) | 14:31 |
| tobberydberg | You will have to speak up for the whole group then =) | 14:32 |
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| astellwag | :D | 14:32 |
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| zhipeng | haha if opportunity arises :P | 14:32 |
| zhipeng | #topic official document location | 14:33 |
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| zhipeng | okey I think we just covered that | 14:33 |
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| zhipeng | we will have a dedicated repo for that | 14:33 |
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| tobberydberg | Yes. The google doc for the features list can be moved there once we have that | 14:34 |
| zhipeng | tobberydberg exactly | 14:34 |
| zhipeng | #topic AoB | 14:34 |
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| zhipeng | okey I guess I ran a little bit too fast today | 14:34 |
| zhipeng | open discussion now :) | 14:35 |
| yankcrime | naa it's good zhipeng | 14:35 |
| astellwag | no problem | 14:35 |
| astellwag | maybe I take the opportunity for a quick self-intro? | 14:35 |
| tobberydberg | Feel free! | 14:35 |
| zhipeng | sure ! | 14:35 |
| astellwag | So, I recently started as an architect at T-Systems, working on various aspects of their "Open Telekom Cloud" | 14:36 |
| astellwag | That's a Germany-based (currently) public cloud | 14:36 |
| yankcrime | astellwag: in darmstadt by any chance? | 14:36 |
| astellwag | Currently assisting key customers with their onbairding | 14:37 |
| astellwag | yankcrime: ack | 14:37 |
| yankcrime | astellwag: awesome, i used to live in darmstadt :) | 14:37 |
| zhipeng | hey we are from the same trench astellwag :P | 14:37 |
| astellwag | zhipeng: yeah ;_9 | 14:37 |
| yankcrime | sink a couple of beers at the ratskeller and at grohe for me! | 14:37 |
| astellwag | yankcrime: cool | 14:37 |
| astellwag | will do yankcrime :-) | 14:37 |
| yankcrime | i'll expect selfies astellwag | 14:37 |
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| astellwag | My OpenStack journey started back in 2011, also at Deutsche Telekom, the last 3 years I spent at Red Hat | 14:38 |
| astellwag | yankcrime: sure | 14:38 |
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| astellwag | I'm not an active dev though, always been more on the architecture and infrastructure side | 14:39 |
| zhipeng | astellwag so are you still at RH now or t-system? | 14:39 |
| astellwag | zhipeng: No, I left Red Hat on 31 January to join T-Systems | 14:39 |
| astellwag | So I have a unlimited fulltime contract with them | 14:40 |
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| zhipeng | understand :) | 14:40 |
| tobberydberg | Nice to have you here astellwag! | 14:42 |
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| astellwag | thanks tobberydberg | 14:42 |
| zhipeng | astellwag i've just got a patch merged in defcore guideline that reflect some implementation choice in the OTC | 14:43 |
| astellwag | zhipeng: cool ;-) | 14:44 |
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| zhipeng | okey guys i'm gonna hit the endmeeting cmd if there is no further discussions | 14:45 |
| yankcrime | one thing i was going to say | 14:45 |
| tobberydberg | One quick thing.. | 14:45 |
| yankcrime | lol | 14:45 |
| tobberydberg | go ahead =)( | 14:45 |
| yankcrime | was about how the attendance for this wg seems to have dropped off significantly | 14:45 |
| yankcrime | and what we need to do to encourage people to join again | 14:45 |
| zhipeng | yangkcrime shall we start discussions on the mailinglist more often ? | 14:46 |
| tobberydberg | first of all, poke at Sean! ;-) | 14:46 |
| zhipeng | to increase the visibility ? | 14:46 |
| tobberydberg | I think that is a good idea! | 14:47 |
| astellwag | agree | 14:47 |
| yankcrime | yeah zhipeng, maybe one of the chairs could send out a summary email at least discussing where we're up to, what we're working on, and then mention the irc meeting schedule again | 14:47 |
| yankcrime | tobberydberg: i'll kick him irl tomorrow | 14:47 |
| astellwag | no visibility = dead project. That's what it is unfortunately | 14:47 |
| tobberydberg | hehe | 14:47 |
| yankcrime | astellwag: yup | 14:48 |
| tobberydberg | Thats a good idea yankcrime, we should do that | 14:48 |
| yankcrime | cool | 14:48 |
| yankcrime | ok, that was all | 14:48 |
| zhipeng | another thing we could do is to submit patches that reflect the public cloud requirement, to the upstream projects/WGs | 14:48 |
| tobberydberg | +1 | 14:48 |
| zhipeng | I'm thinking about suggesting a public cloud branch of defcore at PTG | 14:49 |
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| zhipeng | maybe branch is a misnomer | 14:49 |
| yankcrime | i like the sound of that zhipeng | 14:49 |
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| zhipeng | so that everything we do, we present it as a work product of the publiccloud-wg | 14:49 |
| tobberydberg | +1 | 14:50 |
| yankcrime | 👍 | 14:50 |
| astellwag | yup, that sounds good | 14:50 |
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| zhipeng | okey then let's hit the mailinglist more often, and try to have patches that marked with publiccloud-wg :P | 14:51 |
| tobberydberg | My quick thing....we should think about how many forum sessions we should have, and the subject of them | 14:52 |
| zhipeng | yes great question | 14:52 |
| zhipeng | the categories | 14:52 |
| astellwag | I'm preparing a talk about special performance considerations for public clouds at CeBIT, maybe I can re-use that? | 14:52 |
| tobberydberg | Suggestion 1: Something about features required by public cloud providers | 14:53 |
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| tobberydberg | yes | 14:53 |
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| tobberydberg | Even though I havn't seen the talk =) | 14:54 |
| yankcrime | yeah that sounds interesting astellwag | 14:54 |
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| astellwag | ok, so I will do an English version as well | 14:54 |
| tobberydberg | Then I guess you have a couple of things to add to the missing feature list regarding that area =) | 14:54 |
| astellwag | Most likely. I will update the list whenever I stumble about something | 14:55 |
| tobberydberg | I'll put this as a topic for ucpoming meeting | 14:55 |
| astellwag | *across | 14:55 |
| zhipeng | great suggestion ! | 14:55 |
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| astellwag | ack | 14:56 |
| yankcrime | awesome | 14:56 |
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| tobberydberg | "PTG meeting" next week - special agenda for that one? Or continue the path we're at? | 14:56 |
| dmellado | guys, re: your visibility +1 on sending an email to the ML speaking about what you're up to | 14:56 |
| dmellado | I'd be interested, at least ;) | 14:57 |
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| zhipeng | hey dmellado you are everywhere :P | 14:57 |
| tobberydberg | Good to hear that! =) | 14:57 |
| dmellado | zhipeng: heh xD | 14:57 |
| yankcrime | i've got to run to another meeting - thanks again all and will catch up next week | 14:57 |
| zhipeng | tobberydberg we could target the requirement list and use case specifically for the PTG session | 14:58 |
| tobberydberg | Sounds good! | 14:58 |
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| zhipeng | and FYI, PTG sessions could run as long as half-day or a whole day | 14:58 |
| tobberydberg | Try to gather some people to join you at the PTG for our PTG meeting =) | 14:58 |
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| zhipeng | so I will just hang around the irc channel :) | 14:59 |
| tobberydberg | Hehe | 14:59 |
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| tobberydberg | Thanks for today everyone! | 14:59 |
| tobberydberg | Guess time is up! | 14:59 |
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| astellwag | yeah, thanks | 14:59 |
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| tobberydberg | do you close meeting zhipeng? | 15:00 |
| zhipeng | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 15 15:00:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-02-15-14.02.html | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-02-15-14.02.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-02-15-14.02.log.html | 15:00 |
| zhipeng | tobberydberg viola :) | 15:00 |
| tobberydberg | +1 =) | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 15 15:01:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:01 | |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday February 15 2017 (15:00 UTC) | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1.Log-Agent has been merged by Logstash: https://github.com/logstash-plugins/logstash-output-monasca_log_api | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 2.Log Query Initial Design: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Monasca/Logging/Query_API_Design#Design:_Log_Listing | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1.API Proposal: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433016/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 3.The logos are here, the logos are here | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 1.https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yigfsgvpzxz4t72/AABHPm5FOoBFv2Q-div_j9RXa?dl=0 | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 4.Grafana transition | 15:01 |
| dhague | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 5.Mid-cycle Planning | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | 6.Ocata release branch | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:01 |
| kamil_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | hello everyone | 15:01 |
| hosanai | o/ | 15:01 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:01 |
| cbellucci | o/ | 15:01 |
| stevejims | o/ | 15:01 |
| wanghuagong | o/ | 15:02 |
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| witek | hi | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | so, maybe we should first talk about our build | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | looks like monasca-api is still broken | 15:02 |
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| witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433821/ | 15:03 |
| witek | is merged | 15:03 |
| witek | the python gate works | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | ohh cool | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | it's fixed | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | hadn't seen that yet | 15:03 |
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| witek | I have bumped though version numbers for java | 15:04 |
| witek | and they are not merged yet | 15:04 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:java_version | 15:04 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, so are we just waiting on zuul at this point? | 15:05 |
| witek | they have to go in the right order | 15:05 |
| witek | thresh is next, then persister and api | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | ok, feel free to merge when ready | 15:05 |
| rhochmuth | don't wait for me | 15:05 |
| witek | ok, thanks | 15:05 |
| witek | the gates take ages | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | ok, so it look like we are back online, waiting for CI | 15:06 |
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| rhochmuth | should we start the agenda then? | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:07 |
| kamil_ | The logstash-output-monasca_log_api has been merged into the logstash repository | 15:07 |
| kamil_ | it is now part of logstash output plugins | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | That is awesome, congratulations! | 15:08 |
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| kamil_ | Thanks. I just wanted to inform folks about that. That's all | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | thx kamil_ | 15:08 |
| witek | we almost forgot about it ;) | 15:08 |
| rhochmuth | was that in flight for about 6 mos? | 15:09 |
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| kamil_ | yes | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | wow, that is a while, but perseverance prevailed, once again | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth | #topic Log Query Initial Design | 15:10 |
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| rhochmuth | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Monasca/Logging/Query_API_Design#Design:_Log_Listing | 15:10 |
| bklei | \o sorry i'm late | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | do you have a pass from the office | 15:11 |
| bklei | looking for it made me even later :) | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | np bklei, we are glad you are here? | 15:11 |
| bklei | nice to be wanted | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | so, is mr. steve simpson here? | 15:12 |
| stevejims | Hi, Just wanted to stimulate some feedback for the log query API, now it's at first pass | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | thanks stevejims | 15:13 |
| stevejims | Have an API proposal in flight and we've been making some headway | 15:13 |
| witek | thanks | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | stevejims: so we want to cover this next week in the mid-cycle too | 15:13 |
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| rhochmuth | so between now and then i'll sstart reviewing | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | and start supplygin feedback, which i admit, i'm behind on | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | but, what day would you like to cover this for the mid-cycle | 15:14 |
| stevejims | that would be grand | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | wednesday or thursday? | 15:14 |
| stevejims | no preference | 15:14 |
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| rhochmuth | so, let's do first thing on thursday morning then | 15:14 |
| rhochmuth | the mid-cycle agenda is at, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca_ocata_midcycle | 15:15 |
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| stevejims | sounds good to me | 15:16 |
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| rhochmuth | sorry, i just updated the agenda | 15:16 |
| rhochmuth | took a little longer than expected | 15:17 |
| stevejims | also thanks to witek and tomasz for reviewing the API so far | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | but you are up for Thursday first session | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | thanks witek and tomasz | 15:17 |
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| witek | you're welcome, there are still some open questions | 15:17 |
| rhochmuth | so, i'll move onto the next topic | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | #topic The logos are here, the logos are here | 15:18 |
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| rhochmuth | https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yigfsgvpzxz4t72/AABHPm5FOoBFv2Q-div_j9RXa?dl=0 | 15:18 |
| witek | nice | 15:18 |
| dhague | cool | 15:19 |
| Kuckkuck | +1 | 15:19 |
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| rhochmuth | Those logos come courtesy of, Heidi Joy Tretheway, Senior Marketing Manager, OpenStack Foundation | 15:19 |
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| rhochmuth | We can use them on presentations and wherever else we would like to add some team flair. | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Grafana transition | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grafana transition (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:20 | |
| rhochmuth | bklei, rbak, jbors: any updates on the Grafana transition to a new home? | 15:21 |
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| dhague | I have a handover email from Ryan, but I've been away for a few days and haven't actioned the changes (2 of them) yet | 15:21 |
| rbak | Nothing new on my end. | 15:21 |
| rhochmuth | dhague: thx | 15:22 |
| dhague | In Grafana-related news, Go 1.8 is released tomorrow and has support for plugins (Linux-only right now) | 15:22 |
| rhochmuth | no rush, just didn't want it to get forgotten or fall through the gaps | 15:22 |
| dhague | Given that the Grafana folks wanted to implement pluggaable authentication, this is a good step in the right direction | 15:22 |
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| rhochmuth | cool, maybe we'll see some changes in how grafana is structured as a result | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | yes, i agree | 15:23 |
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| rhochmuth | btw, we are continuing our discussion with grafana, but i don't have any updates other than that at the moment | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Mid-cycle Planning | 15:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mid-cycle Planning (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:24 | |
| rhochmuth | any preferences for days and/or times | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | bklei you had mentioned i believe that you are only agailable on wednesdy | 15:25 |
| bklei | correct | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | which topics are most interesting to you then? | 15:25 |
| bklei | getting my next job | 15:25 |
| witek | bklei: ? | 15:25 |
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| rhochmuth | greener pastures is code for .. | 15:26 |
| bklei | i wouldn't re-arrange anything on my behalf -- i'll attend what i can, would like to be part of discussions about alarm muting -- we were going to want that before they decided to shut us down | 15:26 |
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| bklei | witek charter is decommissioning our private openstack cloud :( | 15:27 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i figured some of the alarm silencing, inhibition and grouping would be important | 15:27 |
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| rhochmuth | so, i've updated teh agenda a bit | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | metrics related topics on wednesday | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | logging and events related topics on thursday | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | is how it is starting to organize right now | 15:30 |
| rhochmuth | it will take a little more organization | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | Agent plugins on Wednesday | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | and Docker, Kubernetes and Helm on THursday too | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | i hope that looks ok | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | we can still organize | 15:31 |
| bklei | is ^ in an etherpad yet? | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca_ocata_midcycle | 15:32 |
| bklei | thx | 15:32 |
| jobrs | thanks | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | of-course it is, i've never been so insulted | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | :-) | 15:32 |
| bklei | ;) | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | please let me know if there are issues with time/organization and we can rearrange | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | that will probably be the first topic we cover on wednesday | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | #topic Ocata release branch | 15:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata release branch (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:34 | |
| rhochmuth | witek: i added this topic | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | just wanted to make sure you are ok and have everthing you need | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | now that the build is working again, i'm hoping that you are all clear | 15:34 |
| witek | I started branching yesterday | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | yup, i've added several +1's | 15:34 |
| witek | still waiting for a couple of repos | 15:34 |
| rhochmuth | thanks for doing that | 15:35 |
| witek | no problem | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | ok, let us know if you run into any issues or need anything | 15:35 |
| witek | thanks, I'll do | 15:35 |
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| rhochmuth | so, that was all the agenda that i had | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | i can open it up to the floor | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | #topic open floor | 15:36 |
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| stevejims | I have a minor topic | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | sure | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | stevejims: you have the floor | 15:38 |
| stevejims | I've been asked to give the same talk I gave at PGDay/FOSDEM at another Postgres conference on March 23rd in Paris | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | excellent | 15:39 |
| stevejims | It is about monitoring openstack, has some mentions of Monasca | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | congratulations | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | ahh, that reminds me, i thought you were going to give us an overview of your presentation | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | is that available on youtube or somewhere | 15:40 |
| stevejims | Mostly about an experiment we have been doing to see if Postgres could be a backend for Monasca, so kinda in "R&D" stage | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | yes, very interested in your learnings | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | that could be another topics for the mid-cycle, btw | 15:40 |
| stevejims | Yes I was wondering the best way to do that, the talk is very much geared towards a Postgres audience | 15:40 |
| stevejims | Was considering writing a Wiki page geared towards Monasca audience with our findings on perhaps | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | sounds like an excellent idea | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | are you looking for a place to host it | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | the only suggestion i have is on the monasca wiki | 15:42 |
| rhochmuth | but, that usually isn't the best spot for these types of discussions | 15:43 |
| rhochmuth | sounds like an excellent topic for a blog | 15:43 |
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| rhochmuth | we could also schedule a separate vidoe conference session to cover that topic | 15:44 |
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| rhochmuth | looking at the agenda for the mid-cycle i'm getting a little worried about time | 15:44 |
| stevejims | Wiki is fine, or yes my employer was keen to put it up as a blog I think, I'll work something out | 15:44 |
| rhochmuth | Were the results good? | 15:45 |
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| stevejims | So far yes - up to a certain scale. We do some pre-aggregation to get the performance but it's very simple | 15:46 |
| stevejims | We think it could monitor up to 800 nodes with a very underpowered box, we have tested 80 so far | 15:47 |
| stevejims | maybe higher. | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | are you monitoring VMs too? | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | or just the physical nodes? | 15:47 |
| stevejims | Some but it's not the primary use case for our deployment | 15:48 |
| stevejims | HPC use case is usually fewer, more heavyweight VMs, or bare-metal | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | i see, if you want to review with monasca team, then probably a separate video conference would be best | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | but, i think we would all be interested in your anlaysis | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | so looking forward to it | 15:49 |
| stevejims | sure, happy to arrange that | 15:49 |
| bklei | i'd like to see that too! | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | let's talk about that at the mid-cycle, since everyone should be there, and then schedule a time for the presentation | 15:50 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, i'm going to shut er down | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | if no more topics | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | going once | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | gone | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | by everyone | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 15 15:52:36 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-02-15-15.01.html | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-02-15-15.01.txt | 15:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-02-15-15.01.log.html | 15:52 |
| stevejims | thanks, bye | 15:52 |
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| bklei | thx roland | 15:52 |
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| markvoelker_ | #startmeeting interopwg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 15 16:00:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markvoelker_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'interopwg' | 16:00 |
| markvoelker_ | #chair hogepodge | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hogepodge markvoelker_ | 16:00 |
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| markvoelker_ | 'morning folks! | 16:01 |
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| markvoelker_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRoble.13 Today's agenda | 16:01 |
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| catherineD | o/ | 16:01 |
| markvoelker_ | #info eglute is away today | 16:01 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 16:01 |
| mguiney | o/ | 16:01 |
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| luzC | o/ | 16:01 |
| markvoelker_ | Please do have a look at the agenda. | 16:02 |
| markvoelker_ | #topic PTG | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:02 | |
| markvoelker_ | The PTG is almost upon us! | 16:02 |
| markvoelker_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/RefStackInteropWGAtlantaPTG Joint Interop WG/Interop Challenge/RefStack PTG etherpad | 16:03 |
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| markvoelker_ | As you're all aware, we're sharing space with a couple of other groups in Atlanta. | 16:03 |
| markvoelker_ | I'd like to finish nailing down our work sessions in the next day or so, so if you've got any last minute additions, please get them on the pad immeidately. | 16:03 |
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| catherineD | The OPNFV team would like to know on which date and time slot for this topic | 16:04 |
| hogepodge | There is the possibility of spilling out into other space if we need it. | 16:04 |
| markvoelker_ | Any immediate items we need to discuss about the PTG? | 16:05 |
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| markvoelker_ | *other | 16:05 |
| hogepodge | #link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Pike-PTG-Discussion-Rooms | 16:05 |
| markvoelker_ | catherineD: duly noted, I'll nail that down shortly | 16:05 |
| catherineD | thx | 16:05 |
| aimeeu | thanks markvoelker_ and catherineD | 16:06 |
| markvoelker_ | Quick scheduling note: I know some folks are flying in Monday morning rather than Sunday night. Anyone here in that boat that might miss early-Monday sessions? | 16:07 |
| * markvoelker_ hears none | 16:07 | |
| markvoelker_ | Ok, good | 16:07 |
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| markvoelker_ | Moving on then... | 16:08 |
| markvoelker_ | #topic Flagging two network-l2-CRUD capabilities | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Flagging two network-l2-CRUD capabilities (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:08 | |
| markvoelker_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422715/ | 16:09 |
| markvoelker_ | This has now merged | 16:09 |
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| markvoelker_ | #topic Flag tests that require second set of user credentials | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Flag tests that require second set of user credentials (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:09 | |
| markvoelker_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428847/ Flag tests that require second set of user credentials | 16:10 |
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| markvoelker_ | I've gotten a little bit of offline feedback on this one that centers around the idea of things that are hard to verify without a second account | 16:10 |
| markvoelker_ | We've discussed this a bit in the past, too | 16:10 |
| markvoelker_ | For example: ACL's. It's easy to test basic CRUD operations with a single account, but testing the functionality is harder without a second account | 16:11 |
| markvoelker_ | (e.g. you may want to test that User B can't read User A's stuff, so you need A to create the ACL and B to verify that B can't read A's object) | 16:12 |
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| markvoelker_ | The other side of the coin is that tests requiring multiple accounts make it harder for end-users to verify interoperability | 16:12 |
| markvoelker_ | (and arguably the API is what we're testing rather than feature functionality) | 16:13 |
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| markvoelker_ | Do we want to spend some time on this at the PTG, or...? | 16:13 |
| hogepodge | It's possible to capture a multi-user feature in the 2.0 schema | 16:14 |
| hogepodge | So yes, PTG discussions would be good to see if we want to expand the scope of interop testing and have a method for identifying more advanced capabilities through some sort of classification method | 16:15 |
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| luzC | agree | 16:15 |
| catherineD | I think we need consistency of what we do either way | 16:15 |
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| markvoelker_ | hogepodge: I suspect we'll at least lightly touch on this in some of the discussions about add-on and vertical programs anyway, so seems like a decent topic | 16:16 |
| luzC | also is there an easy way to id if test cases require more than one set of credentials? is there many test cases that requires multiple users? | 16:16 |
| catherineD | cuirently we advise peopel to test with one user and these tests won't pass | 16:16 |
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| markvoelker_ | catherineD: ++, the current precedent is definitely single-user | 16:17 |
| markvoelker_ | And on that ground I'm supportive of the current patch | 16:17 |
| hogepodge | I suggest we stick single user for now, consider multiple for the 2017.08ish guideline | 16:17 |
| markvoelker_ | luzC: the usual way I find them is to run the tests with just one set of credentials configured. =) | 16:18 |
| catherineD | ++ | 16:18 |
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| markvoelker_ | Ok, I'm hearing that this is something that folks want to talk about in ATL, so I'll add it to our topic list | 16:18 |
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| catherineD | at PTG if we decide otherwise .. weneed to change our recomendation in tempest configuration | 16:19 |
| markvoelker_ | If folks could kindly review the existing patch please, we'll see about landing it soonish | 16:19 |
| markvoelker_ | (that link again: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428847/ ) | 16:19 |
| markvoelker_ | #action markvoelker to add discussion of multi-user tests to PTG topic list | 16:20 |
| markvoelker_ | OK, anything else on this? | 16:20 |
| catherineD | nope | 16:20 |
| markvoelker_ | #topic Glance change: Implement and Enable Community Images | 16:20 |
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| markvoelker_ | Implement and Enable Community Images | 16:21 |
| markvoelker_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369110/ | 16:21 |
| markvoelker_ | I don't think there's anything much to say on this one this week other than to ask if anyone who's begun testing has hit any snags as a result of it | 16:21 |
| markvoelker_ | (I'm not aware of anyone having issues yet) | 16:22 |
| markvoelker_ | OK, so far so good then. =) | 16:22 |
| markvoelker_ | #topic Name change | 16:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Name change (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:22 | |
| markvoelker_ | I've posted the initial governance and infra patches | 16:22 |
| markvoelker_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/433414 Infra patch to change DefCore -> InteropWG | 16:23 |
| markvoelker_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/433415 Governance patch to change DefCore -> InteropWG | 16:23 |
| markvoelker_ | I also added the name change to the Infra agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Upcoming_Project_Renames | 16:23 |
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| markvoelker_ | I don't really expect to see much motion on these until after everyone is back from the PTG, but we'll keep an eye on them | 16:24 |
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| markvoelker_ | We also had a note to deal with Launchpad | 16:25 |
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| * markvoelker_ cannot remember who was going to tackle that... | 16:25 | |
| hogepodge | we've also talked about just switching to storyboard | 16:25 |
| markvoelker_ | Oh right. Which is PTG topic too, actually. | 16:26 |
| hogepodge | diablo_rojo: says it's active and maintained | 16:26 |
| markvoelker_ | catherineD: Is there anything else I need to do to keep you guys informed about the rename patches since RefStack will need some adjustments too? | 16:27 |
| markvoelker_ | Not sure if you wanted to make refstack change patches dependent on the infra change, or... | 16:27 |
| catherineD | LuzC did have a patvh for RefStack | 16:28 |
| markvoelker_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390881/ Change doc references from DefCore to Interop Working Group | 16:28 |
| catherineD | I think we are covered | 16:29 |
| luzC | I can make it dependent on | 16:29 |
| markvoelker_ | Yes, it might be easiest to make 390881 depend on 433414, but I'll leave that up to you guys. =) | 16:29 |
| * markvoelker_ probably needs to make the governance patch depend on the infra patch too | 16:29 | |
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| markvoelker_ | Ok, I think that about covers it for the name change. ANything else on this topic today? | 16:30 |
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| markvoelker_ | #topic New components/add-on programs | 16:31 |
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| markvoelker_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430556/ Initial work 2.0 schema | 16:32 |
| markvoelker_ | I haven't been able to spend much time on this one yet unfortunately, but I see there's been some initial feedback from others | 16:32 |
| markvoelker_ | hogepodge: anything you want talk about regarding this one today? | 16:32 |
| hogepodge | I've updated the document to be essentially complete | 16:33 |
| hogepodge | Pending review and design at ptg, of course | 16:33 |
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| hogepodge | Plus documentation, schema, etc | 16:33 |
| hogepodge | But, essentially, I'm viewing the guideline as a collection of objects | 16:33 |
| hogepodge | Where some objects are composed of other objects | 16:33 |
| hogepodge | Major changes are creation of metadata | 16:34 |
| hogepodge | Composing programs of both capabilities and designated sections (the designated sections were kind of weirdly tacked on the 1.x version) | 16:34 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430556/ | 16:35 |
| hogepodge | Now is the time to start asking for feature requests. Like a mechanism for categorizing capability types (admin vs non-admin, single vs multi user, for example) | 16:35 |
| markvoelker_ | hogepodge: You read my mind. =p | 16:36 |
| hogepodge | I'm thinking we should be strict on checking, except for metadata | 16:36 |
| hogepodge | I'd like us to walk away from ptg with a strong working doc, then refine and complete a draft to present to the board before Boston | 16:37 |
| markvoelker_ | I'm going to try to schedule the discussions on vertical programs and such before the schema discussion so we can have a more informed view of the schema | 16:37 |
| hogepodge | excellent | 16:37 |
| luzC | ++ | 16:37 |
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| mguiney | ++ | 16:37 |
| hogepodge | I would not be surprised if we learned a ton this year then had to revise to 3.0 for vertical programs. | 16:37 |
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| catherineD | markvoelker_: for the schedule it makes sense to have the schema discussion before the OPNFV discussion ... | 16:37 |
| catherineD | that pretty much put OPNFV discussion to Tues morning ... | 16:38 |
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| catherineD | I see that OPNFV maybe one of the new use case using the new schema | 16:39 |
| markvoelker_ | catherineD: actually I was thinking the reverse. Wouldn't it make more sense to have the OPNFV discussion first so we have a better idea about tests and things that a vertical program might need before we talk about the schema? | 16:39 |
| markvoelker_ | E.g. so we can suggest additions to what hogepodge has laid out if necessary? | 16:39 |
| catherineD | or we can see how the schema apply to the vertical program? | 16:40 |
| catherineD | sounds like chicken and egg ? | 16:40 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: we can go to opnfv with the current doc and get feedback. we have a seed | 16:40 |
| markvoelker_ | Could be. =) My thinking was to get requirements for programs like NFV ironed out first and then turn them into a schema, but I'm open to POCing a schema first and then looking at requirements to see if they match if folks think it's a better flow. | 16:41 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker_: +1 | 16:41 |
| catherineD | aimeeu: is at this meeting ... maybe he can provide the requirements | 16:42 |
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| aimeeu | catherineD I can pass on specific questions to the OPNFV team if that's what you need (i'm relatively new to OPNFV) | 16:43 |
| markvoelker_ | So let's say feedback on the existing patch *before* the PTG would be very timely. =) Once we get there we'll work through requirements and then discuss necessary changes | 16:45 |
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| catherineD | markvoelker_: ++ | 16:45 |
| markvoelker_ | For anyone wanting to participate in the verticals discussion, a couple of things to think about prior to traveling: | 16:46 |
| markvoelker_ | 1.) Existing test requirements (in Tempest vs not, single user vs multi, admin vs non-admin) | 16:47 |
| markvoelker_ | 2.) Types of tests necessary for vertical programs (e.g. we might need performance tests or resilience tests for some verticals, for example) | 16:47 |
| markvoelker_ | Anything else on this topic today? | 16:48 |
| markvoelker_ | #topic open discussion | 16:49 |
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| markvoelker_ | #info There will be no InteropWG IRC meeting next week on account of the PTG | 16:50 |
| markvoelker_ | Anything else folks want to talk about today? The floor is open. =) | 16:50 |
| zhipeng | will we discuss adding more capabilities (e.g Heat) during the PTG ? | 16:51 |
| markvoelker_ | zhipeng: Yes, refer to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/RefStackInteropWGAtlantaPTG | 16:52 |
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| markvoelker_ | zhipeng: This will come up in a couple of different ways | 16:52 |
| markvoelker_ | zhipeng: The dicussion of add-on programs and the new schema may drive part of it (if some programs become add-ons rather than being required under existing programs) | 16:52 |
| markvoelker_ | Anything else today? | 16:53 |
| zhipeng | thx markvoelker_ :) | 16:54 |
| markvoelker_ | zhipeng: sure thing! | 16:54 |
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| markvoelker_ | OK, if nothing further we'll end a couple of minutes early today. Hope to see many of you in Atlanta next week! | 16:54 |
| markvoelker_ | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 15 20:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
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| rdopiera | o/ | 20:00 |
| betherly | o/ | 20:00 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 20:00 |
| ducttape_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| jmoffitt | o/ | 20:01 |
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| david-lyle | o/ | 20:01 |
| gary-smith | o/ | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | So, quick update | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | The RC2 bugs have all been merged/approved, though it looks like the gate has tanked | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | So a big hurrah for Jenkins | 20:02 |
| betherly | WOO | 20:02 |
| ediardo | o/ | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | So we're all ready to tag RC2, which is good news | 20:02 |
| rdopiera | he gave everything he got | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | I've roughly divided up time on the PTG etherpad for specific topics: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-ptg-pike | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | And we've got a bit of cross project time with Keystone | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | As before, please feel free to add items and I'll check again at the weekend | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | Other than that, I dont have any other annoucements | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 20:04 |
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| ducttape_ | if anyone needs a ptg pass, please shout out to me. it's the pass only I btw | 20:04 |
| betherly | robcresswell: awesome thanks for sorting that! looking forward to it | 20:04 |
| * ducttape_ can't work in English | 20:05 | |
| robcresswell | ducttape_: You did your best, thats all we ask | 20:05 |
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| robcresswell | If there's nothing to discuss, we can call the meeting super early :) | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | did translations go in? | 20:07 |
| david-lyle | for RC2 | 20:07 |
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| robcresswell | david-lyle: There's been a few merges. Me or richard will need to check in with ianychoi before tagging. | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | But thats the only thing that we might be waiting on I think. | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | ok, and did rdopiera's last patch around domain stuff get backported? | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | The last one hasnt merged yet because gate | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | I +a'd on master a bit ago | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | ah | 20:08 |
| david-lyle | makes sense | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | Of course | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: Thanks for approving it btw. | 20:09 |
| rdopiera | I will backport it as soon as it merges | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | thanks rdopiera | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | We should probably tag 10.0.3 quite soon, a few important fixes have been merged in the past couple of weeks | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | Just after the PTG might be a good idea | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | I'll have a look for any other potential backports in the meantime | 20:10 |
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| robcresswell | Cool, looks like we're about done | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | Thanks everyone, looking forward to seeing some of you next week! | 20:12 |
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| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 20:12 |
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