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| dtantsur | anyone up for an ironic meeting? :) | 17:00 |
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| jroll | hai | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | oh hai | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| sambetts | Hey | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 27 17:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| joanna | hello :) | 17:00 |
| mjturek | o/ | 17:00 |
| Michael-ZTE-1 | o/ | 17:00 |
| hshiina | o/ | 17:00 |
| vdrok | \o/ | 17:00 |
| aarefiev | o/ | 17:00 |
| bradjones | o/ | 17:00 |
| mariojv | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | #chair jroll TheJulia | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: TheJulia dtantsur jroll | 17:00 |
| crushil | \o | 17:00 |
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| mgoddard | \o | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | I may disappear due to horrible internet, please back me up :) | 17:00 |
| jroll | oh my, I'm special | 17:00 |
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| rloo | o/ | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
| soliosg | o/ | 17:01 |
| bfournie | o/ | 17:01 |
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| dtantsur | #topic Announcements / Reminders | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements / Reminders (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:01 | |
| baha | o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | We've had an awesome PTG, thanks all for attending! | 17:01 |
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| aslezil | o/ | 17:01 |
| rpioso | \o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | I plan on writing a summary to the ML, but personal summaries from other folks are also welcome. | 17:01 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 17:01 |
| rloo | big thanks to mturek? for taking great notes! | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | #action dtantsur to write a PTG summary | 17:01 |
| mjturek | :-D np rloo | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | oh yeah, mjturek++ | 17:02 |
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| mjturek | sorry I couldn't make the last day | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | mjturek, there was no much to write down, don't worry :) | 17:02 |
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| mjturek | :) | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | any other announcements / reminders / saying thanks you? :) | 17:03 |
| jroll | it was an awesome ptg, thank you all | 17:03 |
| jroll | and +100000 for mjturek | 17:03 |
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| dtantsur | ok, moving on | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | #topic Review subteam status reports | 17:04 |
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| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard line 76 | 17:04 |
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| dtantsur | I don't expect a lot of updates, except for things discussed on the PTG, but please check what we have | 17:05 |
| * jroll would be surprised to see updates | 17:05 | |
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| * jlvillal is full of surprises ;) | 17:05 | |
| jlvillal | Or at least three lines of updates | 17:05 |
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| rloo | jlvillal & vasyl, great work getting multinode grenade working (or close to it) | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | more than nothing, you see :) | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | rloo: Thanks :) I am seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Have to figure out the non-OSIC cluster failures still | 17:06 |
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| jlvillal | +1 for vsaienk0 help! | 17:06 |
| rloo | someone needs to update the driver comp section... | 17:06 |
| jroll | ++ nice work | 17:06 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, it's more or less up-to-date apparently | 17:07 |
| jroll | yeah, it's pretty close | 17:07 |
| jroll | once I go over notes from PTG I'm happy to update with pike plans and such | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | ditto | 17:07 |
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| rloo | jroll: ok, i'll update with what you just said | 17:08 |
| jroll | heh | 17:08 |
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| * dtantsur gives folks a few more minutes to read/update | 17:08 | |
| NobodyCam | :) | 17:08 |
| rloo | dtantsur: what was decided about the soft power off stuff. I forgot. | 17:09 |
| rloo | dtantsur: was it going to be a separate spec? | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | just tracked separately on the whiteboard, I think | 17:10 |
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| dtantsur | the spec is still valid | 17:10 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ok, i'll wait til you do the priorities patch... | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | yes, please give me a day or two :) it's a hard recovery | 17:11 |
| rloo | dtantsur: wrt the bugs... didn't folks decide on a process for doing bug triage? | 17:11 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: something to do with volunteers? | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | a process is to ask for volunteers every week to drive the bug triaging | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | which is part of the next topic in the agenda | 17:12 |
| * dtantsur thinks of moving to it | 17:12 | |
| dtantsur | done with the updates? | 17:12 |
| * rloo done | 17:13 | |
| dtantsur | #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week | 17:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deciding on priorities for the coming week (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:13 | |
| dtantsur | this was not an explicit topic before, but we anyway did it every time | 17:13 |
| jroll | priority one: put head back on straight | 17:13 |
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| dtantsur | one and only, I would say :) | 17:13 |
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| mat128 | o/ | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | let's try to finish with the priorities by the next meeting, if possible | 17:14 |
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| dtantsur | there are two subitems proposed for this meeting topic | 17:14 |
| jroll | +1, and get the subteam list updated | 17:14 |
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| dtantsur | "Stuck specs for current and potential priorities" which is about useful stuff that does not get reviewed. we didn't finally agree on this item, but I added it anyway, mostly to continue thinking about it | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | "Appointing a bug liaison for the next week" this is what rloo was asking for (I know people don't like liaison in this context, just change to a better word) | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | now let's if it works :) is there anyway who wants to keep an eye on the bug list this week? | 17:15 |
| rloo | dtantsur: was this for volunteer to do bug triaging? | 17:15 |
| dtantsur | yep | 17:16 |
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| vdrok | I can do it this week | 17:17 |
| vdrok | apart from today | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | \o/ thanks vdrok | 17:17 |
| TheJulia | Thank you vdrok | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | #action vdrok to drive bug triaging this week | 17:17 |
| dtantsur | side note: this does not mean that I stop doing it, but now it gets moar eyes | 17:18 |
| jroll | nice, thanks vdrok | 17:18 |
| rloo | another side note? the volunteer does NOT have to be core? | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | no, not necessary | 17:18 |
| vdrok | should I add my name on the whiteboard? | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | vdrok, yes please | 17:18 |
| dtantsur | rloo, just a good understanding of the project is enough IMO | 17:18 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: ++ | 17:19 |
| rloo | dtantsur: to be clear, are you going to continue to update the bug stats in the whiteboard? | 17:19 |
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| dtantsur | yes, I will still do it | 17:19 |
| rloo | dtantsur: thx | 17:19 |
| dtantsur | okay, I guess we're good to move on | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | #topic OSIC Ops adopt-a-project | 17:20 |
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| jroll | well | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | I don't see a name, who was it? | 17:20 |
| jroll | so we're good with the weeks' priorities? | 17:21 |
| jroll | (this is me asking mrhillsman to bring this topic, btw) | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | jroll, the priorities: get some priorities :) | 17:21 |
| jroll | heh | 17:21 |
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| * jroll doesn't see that in the list | 17:21 | |
| jroll | mrhillsman: around? | 17:21 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i'm a bit confused. is the 'deciding on prioriites..' stuff in the agenda a one-time (today) thing, or is that a new thing that we will look at weekly? | 17:21 |
| mariojv | "review specs" priority item was removed; was that intentional? | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | rloo, weekly. that's what we've done for more than a cycle, just without an explicit item | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | Makes sense to me. | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | mariojv, it was. while it's always important, it's not a priority item right this second. | 17:22 |
| rloo | dtantsur: it doesn't make sense to have the 'appointing a bug liaison' under that? | 17:22 |
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| mariojv | ack, thx | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | rloo, this is planning for next week, but dunno | 17:22 |
| rloo | dtantsur: planning isn't priorities | 17:23 |
| dtantsur | rloo, how badly is this inconsistency going to affect everyone's work? | 17:23 |
| rloo | dtantsur: dunno, i can't answer for everyone. just seems ... odd, so i'm mentioning it. | 17:24 |
| jroll | I thought the end goal was a weekly bug triage change (with less than weekly while we ramp up) | 17:24 |
| jroll | it's weird but we can deal with it later | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | not necessary weekly, but yes. asking for volunteers every week | 17:25 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | let's move it to the channel or Just Do It (tm) please :) | 17:25 |
| jroll | last call for mrhillsman for the topic we're currently on | 17:25 |
| mrhillsman | sorry jroll | 17:25 |
| rloo | could we put down some more priorities for this week? eg, review tags? | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | mrhillsman, o/ | 17:25 |
| jroll | ah there we go | 17:25 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-adopt-a-project-pike | 17:25 |
| mrhillsman | we have rounded out what we think from an ops view but it is open | 17:25 |
| jroll | rloo: let's go back to it in open discussion in a few | 17:26 |
| mrhillsman | it boils down to us basically wanting to establish loop between ironic and ops team in osic to help as we can | 17:26 |
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| jroll | mrhillsman: mind explaining a bit more on what y'all are doing (and/or how we can help?) | 17:27 |
| rloo | mrhillsman: what does '2. supported by 7 or more SDKs' mean? | 17:27 |
| mrhillsman | we have time for pike to determine the work so again, nothing is set in stone | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | ++ to rloo's question, it caught my attention too | 17:27 |
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| mrhillsman | rloo: i grabbed that from the project navigator | 17:27 |
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| vdrok | yeah it has this item | 17:27 |
| mrhillsman | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/SDKs | 17:28 |
| mrhillsman | i assume ^ | 17:28 |
| vdrok | the "maturity" tag | 17:28 |
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| rloo | mrhillsman: i don't know if ironic is supported by 7 or more sdks | 17:28 |
| jroll | #link https://www.openstack.org/software/releases/ocata/components/ironic | 17:28 |
| jroll | for what the project navigator is | 17:28 |
| vdrok | it seems like only by 2 - PythonOpenStackSDK and OSC | 17:28 |
| jroll | oh wow great face on there | 17:28 |
| rloo | jroll: you mean cool dtantsur, right? | 17:29 |
| jroll | >.> | 17:29 |
| mrhillsman | so we will ideally install ironic | 17:29 |
| mrhillsman | according to the documentation | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | lol | 17:29 |
| mrhillsman | if we find gaps/issues/whatever, file bugs/patches | 17:29 |
| jroll | woot | 17:30 |
| mrhillsman | we will try to scale it as much as we can, again, bugs/issues/whatever | 17:30 |
| rloo | sweet | 17:30 |
| rloo | we could use help on testing rolling upgrades at some point :) | 17:30 |
| mrhillsman | if there are things ironic team would like us to test, we are welcome to it | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | mrhillsman, this is fantastic! what kind of help you need from us if any? | 17:30 |
| * jlvillal likes :) | 17:30 | |
| mrhillsman | so on that etherpad, we just right now want to know if you had ops team that could focus on just your project | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | yeah, any help with upgrades and docs is particularly welcome | 17:31 |
| mrhillsman | what would you expect from them | 17:31 |
| mrhillsman | if just upgrades and docs, that is ok, we will try to do as much or as little as asked | 17:31 |
| jroll | I agree, docs will be a big one | 17:31 |
| jroll | probably multitenant networking | 17:31 |
| mrhillsman | feel free to just dump stuff on there | 17:31 |
| jroll | mrhillsman: I'm also going to start writing a sort of reference architecture, that includes kvm+ironic in the same region, I might drag you into that | 17:31 |
| jroll | as it... isn't trivial | 17:32 |
| mrhillsman | we have like 2-3 weeks plus the ops midcycle to gather intel and work out a plan | 17:32 |
| rloo | mrhillsman: do you also help with openstack gate/CI? I mean improving ironic tests in the gate? | 17:32 |
| mrhillsman | sounds good jroll | 17:32 |
| dtantsur | jroll, just wanted to mention the reference architecture :) | 17:32 |
| joanna | jroll: I love the idea | 17:32 |
| * dtantsur types too slowly | 17:32 | |
| mrhillsman | rloo nothing has been decided, we are gathering info right now and will define our actual work in a couple weeks after the ops midcycle | 17:32 |
| mrhillsman | and we hope to get others to participate as well | 17:33 |
| mrhillsman | to increase adoption | 17:33 |
| mrhillsman | and feedback | 17:33 |
| mrhillsman | to your team | 17:33 |
| jroll | cool | 17:33 |
| jroll | #action ironic team to put some operations requests in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-adopt-a-project-pike | 17:33 |
| jroll | sound good? | 17:33 |
| rloo | mrhillsman: that'd be great | 17:33 |
| * dtantsur needs to add ironic to his pet SDK side-project :D | 17:33 | |
| mrhillsman | perfect jroll | 17:33 |
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| rloo | mrhillsman: to be clear, where in that etherpad do you want us to add stuff? under the 'Ironic' part? | 17:34 |
| mrhillsman | i would say keeps the ops midcycle in mind as well in case you can think of anything relevant to that audience | 17:34 |
| mrhillsman | adding etherpad | 17:34 |
| mrhillsman | sure, that works | 17:34 |
| mrhillsman | we can make it all pretty and organized later | 17:34 |
| dtantsur | this is awesome, thanks mrhillsman | 17:35 |
| jroll | yes, thank you! | 17:35 |
| mrhillsman | thank you all for entertaining us :) | 17:35 |
| mrhillsman | looking forward to working together | 17:35 |
| mrhillsman | that was all i had | 17:36 |
| mrhillsman | thanks again jroll | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | any questions for mrhillsman before we move on? | 17:36 |
| jroll | no problem :) | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | ok, we don't have RFE prepared for review, I guess, so | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | #topic Open discussion | 17:37 |
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| dtantsur | bring whatever you have :) | 17:37 |
| * jroll has nothing | 17:38 | |
| jroll | unless we want to come back to weekly priorities | 17:38 |
| jlvillal | For those of us who weren't at PTG. | 17:38 |
| jlvillal | Curious on the movement of tempest plugin to its own repo. | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | I'll repeat my comment from the channel about priorities: we don't have Pike priorities, and I'm not convinced people have enough time to really jump on anything this week | 17:38 |
| jlvillal | Is that something we want to do? | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, the same state, but yes, we want | 17:39 |
| * TheJulia has nothing, nor brain cells to say much else | 17:39 | |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: Thanks. | 17:39 |
| jroll | dtantsur: ah right, I did see that | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal, they still target Queens, and the same people still disagree with that | 17:39 |
| soliosg | There was an email from QA requesting to keep manage.py from tempest.scenario | 17:39 |
| soliosg | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112938.html | 17:39 |
| soliosg | s/manage.py/manager.py | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | oh | 17:39 |
| jroll | oh ffs | 17:39 |
| soliosg | it seems manager.py is going under refactoring/changes, and qa wants to minimize job gate breaks | 17:40 |
| jroll | that's the worst way to deal with their problems there | 17:40 |
| rloo | dtantsur: by the way, it is only monday, is something going on that folks won't have time, or do you mean that the folks that went to the ptg need to get back into work mode, etc? | 17:40 |
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| dtantsur | rloo, just the latter | 17:40 |
| rloo | dtantsur: gotcha! | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | :) | 17:41 |
| soliosg | so, I will take create an ironic bug to summarize the QA request | 17:41 |
| dtantsur | I guess we don't have many options here, do we? | 17:42 |
| jroll | the tempest thing? | 17:42 |
| jlvillal | Not really | 17:42 |
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| dtantsur | yep | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | we've been using an unstable interface, apparently | 17:42 |
| jroll | I don't see how this helps openstack as a whole | 17:42 |
| jroll | we're just going to end with a bunch of copy pasted code around | 17:42 |
| jroll | but this isn't the right venue for that argument | 17:42 |
| * dtantsur thinks of reviving oslo-incubator</kidding> | 17:43 | |
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| * jroll hopes that we can maneuver to just use the stable API and stop importing manager.py | 17:43 | |
| rloo | isn't it just copy/paste until they 'formalize' the new interfaces or whatever? | 17:43 |
| rloo | anyway, thx solio for bringing it up etc | 17:43 |
| soliosg | jroll: yeah, the suggestion is that every project keeps a copy of manager.py around | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | rloo, it is | 17:43 |
| jroll | 'until' never happens | 17:44 |
| jroll | ever | 17:44 |
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| dtantsur | looking at the source code, we may use quite a lot of it.. | 17:44 |
| * jroll stops talking, goes to be angry elsewhere | 17:44 | |
| rloo | jroll: you're so pessimistic! ha ha. | 17:44 |
| aNuposic | I have a quick question, wrt to my patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/403910/ do we want to allow logical names in PATCH call for port as well? | 17:44 |
| jroll | rloo: I have 3 year old TODOs if you want me to prove my point :) | 17:45 |
| rloo | jroll: i hear you ;) | 17:45 |
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| dtantsur | aNuposic, if you mean node names, likely yes | 17:45 |
| aNuposic | dtantsur, yes node names | 17:46 |
| aNuposic | cool | 17:46 |
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| dtantsur | as to the tempest issue, I don't see a lot of choice. I welcome someone to research the possibility of using only stable interfaces, but it does not look easy at first glance | 17:46 |
| jroll | yeah, I'm just yelling to yell, it's monday | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | I guess we'll have to do this "temporary" moving manager.py to our code (with potentially getting rid of everything we don't use) | 17:46 |
| jroll | I suspect if tempest team finds it hard to refactor, we will too, but we can try | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | well, we don't have to make every project happy in this case :) | 17:48 |
| dtantsur | so e.g. we may strip bits obviously belonging to other projects (e.g. base classes we don't inherit) | 17:48 |
| jlvillal | soliosg: Do you want to work on the tempest issue? | 17:48 |
| jroll | right | 17:48 |
| soliosg | jlvillal: I can take a look to see what it'll require | 17:49 |
| jlvillal | soliosg: Thanks! | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | #action soliosg to look into problem stated at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112938.html | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | thanks for mentioning it, much appreciated! | 17:49 |
| * dtantsur is still not even close to finishing his email backlog | 17:50 | |
| TheJulia | 10 minutes | 17:50 |
| * rloo wonders what is wrong with dtantsur's delete key | 17:50 | |
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| jroll | heh | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | hehe | 17:50 |
| TheJulia | Or a pythons script using an imap client.... >.> | 17:51 |
| TheJulia | s/pythons/python/ | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | moar pythons :) | 17:51 |
| mgould | dtantsur: the day I found the "mark folder as read" key in Thunderbird was a great day indeed | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | mgould, if it was so easy for me :D | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | anyway, does anyone has anything else (too many "any" in one sentence)? | 17:52 |
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| rloo | crickets | 17:52 |
| jroll | ^ | 17:52 |
| mgould | TheJulia: machine-learning system assigning a probability that each email is worth reading | 17:53 |
| jroll | mgould: "return 0" | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | yeah | 17:53 |
| TheJulia | mgould: what troll said | 17:53 |
| TheJulia | err | 17:53 |
| jroll | WOW | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | troll LOL | 17:53 |
| TheJulia | jroll | 17:53 |
| * jroll ragequits | 17:53 | |
| * TheJulia kicks autocorrect | 17:53 | |
| mgould | :-) | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | I think we can wrap up on this note | 17:53 |
| rloo | more crickets | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | thanks everyone | 17:53 |
| TheJulia | jroll: sorry about that, autocorrect seems to hate me today | 17:53 |
| jroll | TheJulia: you know I don't care :) | 17:54 |
| rloo | thx dtantsur | 17:54 |
| mgould | either that or it hates jroll | 17:54 |
| * jroll points out he has the nick 'tjroll' registered | 17:54 | |
| vdrok | thanks all | 17:54 |
| Michael-ZTE-1 | :) | 17:54 |
| mgould | o/ | 17:54 |
| Michael-ZTE-1 | 88 | 17:54 |
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| dtantsur | #endmeeting | 17:54 |
| crushil | \o | 17:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:54 | |
| Michael-ZTE-1 | o/ | 17:54 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 27 17:54:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-02-27-17.00.html | 17:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-02-27-17.00.txt | 17:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-02-27-17.00.log.html | 17:54 |
| jroll | thanks dtantsur | 17:54 |
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| Michael-ZTE-1 | thanks all | 17:54 |
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| joanna | thanks! | 17:54 |
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