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johnthetubaguytdurakov: no live-migrate meeting today I guess?14:09
* davidgiluk has never quite worked out the logic of which weeks they happen14:12
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tdurakovjohnthetubaguy: hi, just returned from atlanta14:12
tdurakovlet's skip this week14:12
johnthetubaguytdurakov: no worries, thats what I assumed14:12
tdurakovjohnthetubaguy: are you goint to submit the spec for new api param, right?14:13
johnthetubaguytdurakov: davidgiluk: the idea that came up at the end of the PTG, I have started to write up here: https://review.openstack.org/43846714:13
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johnthetubaguypkoniszewski: I wanted to reach out to you about that spec idea: https://review.openstack.org/43846714:13
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johnthetubaguypkoniszewski: the operators in the room seemed very keen on an approach like that14:14
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davidgilukjohnthetubaguy: Are you aware that qemu provides an iteration event upto libvirt that tells it the end of each migration iteration, and you can also read the iteration count, so you know if it's tried 'n' rounds of RAM iteration14:16
tdurakovjohnthetubaguy: I thought about that spec14:16
tdurakovlet's do it a bit wider14:17
pkoniszewskijohnthetubaguy: I will take a look if I get a chance14:17
pkoniszewskijohnthetubaguy: however, my priorities are being shifted14:18
tdurakovso not only `--force-after-mins 30` but also `--cancel-after-mins 30`14:18
johnthetubaguydavidgiluk: yes, but its really racy reading all that data right now14:18
tdurakovso it will be per instances basis too14:18
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davidgilukjohnthetubaguy: No, that data isn't racy14:18
johnthetubaguytdurakov: I agree, well timeout and action after timeout14:18
johnthetubaguydavidgiluk: is there data in the event payload thats useful?14:18
johnthetubaguydavidgiluk: I know we can count the memory iterations for sure14:18
davidgilukjohnthetubaguy: Right, so one way is to trigger it after 'n' iterations - let me just see what's in the event14:19
johnthetubaguydavidgiluk: the rest of that data is seems flawed for tracking progress, pkoniszewski has more of the details on that14:19
tdurakovjohnthetubaguy: smth like `timeout policy`?14:19
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davidgilukjohnthetubaguy: Yes the event has the iteration count ('sync count' is our name) - and that's monotonically increasing14:19
johnthetubaguydavidgiluk: ah, I see what you are saying, trigger after n iterations would be possible14:20
davidgilukjohnthetubaguy: It's nicely independent of RAM size or bandwidth14:20
johnthetubaguydavidgiluk: yeah, the count is OK, it was looking at the rest of them thats a problem14:20
johnthetubaguydavidgiluk: yeah, thats a better default timeout than time honestly14:20
davidgilukjohnthetubaguy: time is an illusion migration doubly so14:20
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johnthetubaguydavidgiluk: the use case for the API is more that the operator knows from previous experience how long things usually take, and they want to get things done quickly, but the iteration stuff would help with my goal of making things work better "out of the box"14:22
johnthetubaguydavidgiluk: tdurakov: pkoniszewski: anyways all ideas and comment welcome14:22
johnthetubaguyI am talking to the folks working on benchmarking live-migration later in the week, to work on getting us some more data and testing to help us get the defaults right14:22
davidgilukjohnthetubaguy: Yep, and the virsh migrate --postcopy-after-precopy  I think does it based on switching after the 1st migration14:23
tdurakovjohnthetubaguy: ok, as I also have questions on the conf params:-p14:23
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johnthetubaguyyeah, most of that was what I wrote on the train after a 9 hour flight, but I wanted to get it down before it drifted out of my brain!14:23
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johnthetubaguydavidgiluk: yeah, after 1 seems a bit soon, but after a few makes sense14:24
johnthetubaguydavidgiluk: I say that mostly because we slowly ramp up the allowed timeout stuff, so its a while before we give it the 500 seconds its allowed to switch over14:25
davidgilukjohnthetubaguy: Yes, there's an argument that if you know this workload is never going to converge you may as well start postcopy early, and doing one pass of precopy gets you all the pages that never change14:25
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