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| * gothicmindfood taps fingers til 1400 | 14:00 | |
| gothicmindfood | courtesy ping: amrith, dhellmann, gothicmindfood, ttx, jroll, johnthetubaguy, sdague, mordred, carolbarrett, nikhil, mugsie, thingee, alexismonville, edleafe, EmilienM, harlowja, devananda, bastafidli | 14:00 |
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| jroll | morning :) | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 14:00 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 14:00 |
| amrith | hello! | 14:00 |
| gothicmindfood | woohooo people! | 14:00 |
| gothicmindfood | I can start it then | 14:00 |
| amrith | g'morning all, hope everyone had a good ride home | 14:00 |
| gothicmindfood | #startmeeting openstack-swg | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 2 14:00:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gothicmindfood. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-swg)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_swg' | 14:01 |
| gothicmindfood | #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SWGMeeting#Thursday.2C_March_2nd_1400_UTC | 14:01 |
| gothicmindfood | how's everyone doing this morning/afternoon/evening? | 14:01 |
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| EmilienM | gothicmindfood: very good and you? | 14:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 14:01 |
| alexismonville | hello :) | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 14:02 |
| gothicmindfood | EmilienM: I'm great! super psyched about getting started on this next bit of work | 14:02 |
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| gothicmindfood | we got so much done at the PTG! | 14:03 |
| gothicmindfood | #topic Review PTG session etherpad & sort out work items | 14:03 |
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| gothicmindfood | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AtlantaPTG-SWG | 14:03 |
| gothicmindfood | I tried my best to get all of the post-its translated over on the etherpad | 14:03 |
| gothicmindfood | after sorting through them a bit | 14:03 |
| gothicmindfood | should we discuss from the top? | 14:04 |
| ttx | I noticed 4 areas where we can brainstorm solutions | 14:04 |
| EmilienM | thanks for doing this triage! | 14:04 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: yeah, I think I circled in on some of those as well | 14:04 |
| ttx | - Emails and getting ack from people on comms | 14:04 |
| ttx | - Make persistent connections to IRC easier | 14:05 |
| ttx | - Support non-native speakers and different TZs | 14:05 |
| ttx | - Support non-fulltime devs and volunteers | 14:05 |
| ttx | The others sounds slightly less actionable | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | (there was a theme of support folks who can't make the ptg or summit too, but lets roll that into non-fulltime, etc, somehow) | 14:06 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: yes | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ttx: thats a good list to work on | 14:06 |
| ttx | On the IRC side I wonder if we could not build some IRC-aaS with Glowing Bear as frontend | 14:06 |
| jroll | ttx: or on the flip side, avoid the need for a persistent connection to irc | 14:06 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: well, I do think some things are actionable - the stuff about guidance on first -1, might fit under non-fulltime? | 14:06 |
| ttx | I'll explore that | 14:06 |
| gothicmindfood | maybe a thread I see is "how do we make the first experience of contributing to OpenStack a particularly welcoming/good one?" | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | jroll: +1 I was wondering about that too, it links into the TZ thing quite well | 14:07 |
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| fungi | ttx: there's an infra-spec docaedo has proposed for something similar. might make sense to revisit that in light of alternative software | 14:07 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: I know diablo_rojo is interested in helping with that, on the Foundation staff front | 14:07 |
| * fungi finds | 14:07 | |
| johnthetubaguy | gothicmindfood: thats true, thats a bit separate from volunteers prehaps, although very related | 14:07 |
| ttx | ("how do we make the first experience...") | 14:08 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/319506 Add spec for hosted IRC client | 14:08 |
| ttx | some things are tied -- like if we end up relying less on IRC that means more email and more usage of spoken language | 14:09 |
| ttx | so we need to be careful with simplistic solutions that would make things much worse in other areas | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have had direct feedback that IRC is better than having to speak, for some non-native speakers | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, +1 | 14:10 |
| gothicmindfood | I have a feeling tackling each problem will lead to a rebalance of sorts between other ones | 14:10 |
| gothicmindfood | but that's okay - we'll tackle problems as they come :) | 14:10 |
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| ttx | fungi: thx, will have a look. Been on my funny hacks list for a while. | 14:10 |
| jroll | ttx: right, I'm not saying we should rely less on IRC, but it's a common "solution" I hear | 14:10 |
| gothicmindfood | fungi: thanks for that link! | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | it feels a big part of this is document what has worked for people (and what has failed) and sharing that widely? | 14:11 |
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| ttx | was also wondering if we could not rely more on StoryBoard for general acks | 14:11 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: I think prepackaging an opinionated solution would help | 14:11 |
| amrith | while I love the persistence and the recordability of IRC, and the fact that cross-talk is much less disruptive than a voice conversation, the bandwidth certainly leaves something to be desired. | 14:11 |
| ttx | beyond best practices | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | ttx: I use Glowing bear, it's really awesome | 14:11 |
| * amrith runs to find a glowing bear | 14:11 | |
| ttx | it is! | 14:11 |
| EmilienM | ttx: but I'm not sure if it's multi tenant | 14:12 |
| ttx | for those who don't know it: static JS that points to a weechat relay | 14:12 |
| EmilienM | because you still need an instance of weechat IIUC | 14:12 |
| fungi | amrith: could just be me, but i find the bandwidth funnel effect of irc helps me focus. getting information any faster would overrun my mental buffers | 14:12 |
| ttx | EmilienM: doesn't have to be | 14:12 |
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| dhellmann | amrith : https://www.glowing-bear.org | 14:12 |
| amrith | dhellmann, looking at that now. thx | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: I was meaning more generally, for IRC its more a solution we could hand out | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | fungi : ++ | 14:13 |
| ttx | the weechat relay gives you persistence, the glkowing bear client facilitates access | 14:13 |
| amrith | fungi, I agree. and as the old adage goes, 'talk is cheap' which I can now extend to say 'talk is cheap but typing in IRC is harder' and that may be a good thing. | 14:13 |
| ttx | I'm pretty sure we could run a lot of weechat relays on a single host | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | fungi : how "expensive" would it be for infra to host a weechat instance for community members? | 14:14 |
| ttx | dhellmann: depends what we use for process isolation | 14:14 |
| ttx | VMs more costly than containers | 14:15 |
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| dhellmann | or multiples, I guess -- no idea how weechat works | 14:15 |
| * dhellmann is all-in on znc | 14:15 | |
| ttx | weechat is just a client that can be configured as a relay for other clients | 14:15 |
| EmilienM | if someone wants to see glowing bear: http://www.awesomescreenshot.com/image/2248518/c18a8019a6b73518d9e856ddcbe56550 | 14:15 |
| amrith | dhellmann, I use znc as well, so is glowing bear equivalent? | 14:15 |
| ttx | one of those being glowing bear that lets you use web access and mobile app | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | amrith : I've only just learned about it, but I think it's just the web front-end | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | yeah, what ttx said | 14:16 |
| fungi | dhellmann: we'd need to do some calculations... if we're talking about lots of containers with bind-mounter overlays to reduce filesystem utilization, maybe not terrible (would likely still need lots of ram and network) | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | anyway, we've proposed tools and automated installations for folks in the past and that didn't seem to help that much. it might be time to start looking at hosting. | 14:17 |
| ttx | dhellmann: right, that's what I wanted to explore | 14:17 |
| ttx | make it as "simple" as slack to join/install | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:17 |
| jroll | dhellmann: weechat is incredibly light on resources, fwiw | 14:17 |
| ttx | since "choosing an IRC client" sounded like a lot of work | 14:17 |
| ttx | also, weechat is awesome :) | 14:18 |
| jroll | tis | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | honestly, it feels a bit like a bandaid, back to what jroll was saying about removing the dependence on persistent IRC | 14:18 |
| fungi | i also think that pushing people to maintain a 24x7 presence is unwarranted given all our channel logging | 14:18 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: I think providing a bandaid is maybe necessary, even if/while we're going to change the culture. | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | timezone wise it does cause problems when the only record of things is somewhere on IRC | 14:18 |
| gothicmindfood | fungi: but people don't behave like it is, unfortunately. And private pings for help/assistance don't get logged | 14:18 |
| fungi | it's helpful to have a persistent presence, but not required | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : that's a good point | 14:19 |
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| gothicmindfood | fungi: functionally, if you're new to the community, it kind of is | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | gothicmindfood: true, as long as it doesn't train more folks to rely on a broken thing | 14:19 |
| ttx | fungi: right. I see it as potential help for weird TZs too | 14:19 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: so, I'm not sure we should call it "broken" | 14:19 |
| fungi | yeah, we're a public/open community so i tend to just redirect all private requests of a non-sensitive nature to public channels anyway | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | gothicmindfood: I am bad with words | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | fungi : ditto | 14:19 |
| gothicmindfood | if we are truly going to serve members around the world, we need to certainly start modifying our rules on decision making in IRC channels vs mailing lists | 14:19 |
| fungi | and the odds of people who don't have a persistent presence being in a position within the community to need to field private requests is probably relatively low? | 14:20 |
| gothicmindfood | fungi: a lot of people don't want to be 'embarrassed' in public by their questions, so dms become an important tool to help them get over that | 14:20 |
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| gothicmindfood | fungi: but the new people won't necessarily have persistence, and thus they miss messages back and/or are difficult to get a hold of | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is a culture thing playing into that too | 14:20 |
| ttx | fungi: more and more "experienced" people don't have a proxy because it's not in their culture/history to set up one | 14:21 |
| fungi | i've heard (and believe) that, but as someone who got over public embarrassment a long it's probably hard for me to put myself in that mindframe | 14:21 |
| ttx | not everyone started on IRC in the 90's | 14:21 |
| jroll | fungi: sdague doesn't keep a persistent presence, afaik, so it isn't about experience :) | 14:21 |
| fungi | well, i said position, not experience ;) | 14:21 |
| jroll | I believe it was actually an intentional thing he did to move toward this | 14:22 |
| jroll | right | 14:22 |
| gothicmindfood | and I think functionally, it's important to start the move towards fixing some of the persistence "requirements" but that doesn't preclude us making it easier to be persistent especially for new people who would like to be | 14:22 |
| ttx | and yet people point at Slack being better because it has a proxy, so I'd rather have an easy one for everyone | 14:22 |
| fungi | a conscious choice not to be around so people can interrupt you at odd hours and then get upset when you don't respond is a much different thing, i think | 14:22 |
| * ttx just doesn't look at IRC at odd times. and uses /away | 14:23 | |
| gothicmindfood | fungi: yup. people can leave me messages, but I so rarely respond in non-office-hours that no one's trained to expect it from me. That's an important boundary | 14:23 |
| gothicmindfood | so - we've got a lot to cover and are only on IRC :) | 14:23 |
| ttx | moving on | 14:23 |
| alexismonville | before that, what is the decision? | 14:23 |
| alexismonville | action? | 14:23 |
| ttx | I'll think about it :) | 14:24 |
| gothicmindfood | does someone want to own sorting this through in the next couple of weeks and advancing the persistence case via that spec or something else? | 14:24 |
| fungi | there are cultures which have trained people from a young age to expect instant responses, so i don't think it necessarily requires a prior relationship for people to have the misconception | 14:24 |
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| ttx | I just identified this as something I'd like to explore. Next step: exploiration | 14:24 |
| gothicmindfood | okay, so ttx will give us an update on that in our next meetin g:) | 14:24 |
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| ttx | #action ttx to look into IRC proxy hosting options | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: is your summary list in that etherpad somewhere? | 14:25 |
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| fungi | i agree reiterating that importand discussions/decisions should spill over into mailing lists is probably a big help, if we can actually get people to do it | 14:25 |
| fungi | s/importand/important/ | 14:25 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: no, was my summary of gothicmindfood's points | 14:25 |
| gothicmindfood | what about the email/ack-ing issue? | 14:25 |
| gothicmindfood | does someone want to explore possible solutions for that for the next meeting? | 14:26 |
| * fungi is still trying to figure out what that is/was | 14:27 | |
| fungi | people worried that their e-mail messages to mailing lists aren't being delivered? | 14:27 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: was wondering if StoryBoard could help. Otherwise SpamapS owns that one | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | I added notes at the bottom of the etherpad, for me to keep track | 14:27 |
| jroll | fungi: the prime example being doug's weekly release todo emails | 14:27 |
| jroll | that PTLs still miss | 14:27 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: well, he owned the action to send the mailing list suggestion, which seems like it's been pretty well -1d | 14:27 |
| fungi | jroll: oh, got it. so not necessarily acknowledgement of receipt/read (that's a possible solution, not a problem statement) | 14:28 |
| ttx | I think ML is a pretty bad medium for communications that need action anyway | 14:28 |
| ttx | better to file tasks | 14:28 |
| fungi | is a "blog" better in that regard? | 14:28 |
| jroll | fungi: right | 14:28 |
| fungi | rss feed? | 14:28 |
| ttx | fungi: no, you need a workflow tool | 14:28 |
| fungi | or does everyone use atom feeds now? | 14:28 |
| gothicmindfood | And the idea that the mailing list is difficult to filter for many still isn't solved, though I do think it could get moved along if we published a page of helpful suggestions on different ways to approach filtering | 14:28 |
| gothicmindfood | but this ties into new contributor experience | 14:29 |
| ttx | Since nobody wants to depend on Lotus Notes, I wanted to see if StoryBoard could help us | 14:29 |
| fungi | ttx: oh, i see. if the need is for workflow/progress tracking then storyboard seems well-placed | 14:29 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: I'll ping that foundation person and start that conversation to see what we can start working on there | 14:29 |
| * dhellmann wonders if atom is still a thing | 14:29 | |
| * jroll chuckles at lotus notes | 14:29 | |
| gothicmindfood | #action gothicmindfood to work with foundation on new contributor experience help, present some options at next meeting | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | someone pointed out that the ML can be filtered on the server side | 14:30 |
| ttx | ack, will redirect diablo_rojo to you | 14:30 |
| fungi | dhellmann: no idea, it's newer tech than my ken. i never got into the blogging craze | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | that relies on the list admin maintaining a list of topics. is someone doing that actively? | 14:30 |
| gothicmindfood | dhellmann: it can, but I've done it a few times and there are a lot of missing tags on the filters | 14:30 |
| ttx | dhellmann: we create them when people ask for them | 14:30 |
| gothicmindfood | and I get super paranoid that I'm not getting [tc] emails, for example | 14:30 |
| ttx | also the mailman UI really doesn't help | 14:31 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: we do have a lot of topic options :) | 14:31 |
| fungi | posters have a tendency to mostly just make up tags and assume subscribers will filter visually or with their mua so never realize they can request having them implemented as selectable tags in the listserv | 14:31 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I wonder if we're growing out of that server-side feature | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | fungi : ++ | 14:31 |
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| fungi | they see other people posting to the ml with subject tags and just assume doing the same thing doesn't require some additional coordination with the listadmins | 14:32 |
| gothicmindfood | any comments on the "making things easier for non-native english speakers"? | 14:33 |
| gothicmindfood | does anyone want to investigate and present options/solutions for that? | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am tempted to try document things that have been tried | 14:33 |
| gothicmindfood | or does anyone know anyone who might be great to recruit to that problem? :) | 14:33 |
| fungi | we have language-specific general mailing lists, though i can't speak to the volume nor quantity of discussions which happen there | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I don't feel very qualified, I will ask the folks I work with to see who can help with that | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | gothicmindfood : maybe we can recruit a successful non-native english speaker to help with that? | 14:34 |
| gothicmindfood | fungi: I think this is specifically about translating across boundaries, which having separate mailing lists pobably doesn't | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I am thinking about some on the nova api subteam, they might be up for helping | 14:34 |
| fungi | gothicmindfood: i agree wholeheartedly. it's a tough problem | 14:34 |
| ttx | At the boundaries we should make sure that our English is consumable | 14:34 |
| ttx | i.e. refrain from using too much tricky constructs | 14:35 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: awesome! want to check in with them and keep us posted? | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | (I am more personally interested in the timezone one, which is a little interrelated) | 14:35 |
| * dhellmann resolves to use fewer idioms | 14:35 | |
| ttx | I was replying recently and used a lot of acronyms, realized I proibably should not | 14:35 |
| ttx | But yes I would like to have someone else's optinion on that | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action johnthetubaguy to look into getting someone to help document about language barrier issues and solutions | 14:35 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: :) I hear that. we can certainly combine that into the same bucket of work | 14:35 |
| fungi | i frequently catch using english grammar outside the simplified set and word choices beyond what's in the minimal dictionary | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I've also been told latin abbreviations such as "i.e." are a bit of a barrier | 14:35 |
| ttx | like does using "imho" "ianal" and others make it easier or harder | 14:35 |
| alexismonville | I was about to say something about idioms and acronyms... and was not fast enough | 14:35 |
| fungi | er, frequently catch myself | 14:36 |
| alexismonville | that's a problem of non native speakers | 14:36 |
| ttx | also people using SMS english like "u" for "you" need to die | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | alexismonville : are "proper" acronyms hard, or are "slang" acronyms like IMHO hard? or both? | 14:36 |
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| gothicmindfood | alexismonville: one of the big things that got brought up by non-native speakers in the room when we were brainstorming at the PTG was how fast IRC meetings were, and therefore difficult to follow/participate in effectively | 14:36 |
| alexismonville | dhellmann: slang is the problem | 14:36 |
| jroll | ttx: I hope you mean the usage of that needs to die, and not the people :| | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | ttx: let me know if you need help chasing those kids off of your lawn | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I have some useful tricks ;-) | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | alexismonville : ok, that's what I thought but I wanted to confirm | 14:37 |
| fungi | jroll: language barrier ;) | 14:37 |
| jroll | if so, +1, but I got the latter from how you said it :P | 14:37 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: we tried to introduce turns in discussions when we directly communicate with people in some geographies | 14:37 |
| jroll | fungi: :) | 14:37 |
| alexismonville | gothicmindfood: yes the speed is frustrating, do sometime I could have the tendancies to give up :) | 14:37 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: perhaps we can draw up a list of suggestions for conducting meetings that are more welcoming to non-native speakers? | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I think using turns helped with some of us "regulars", too | 14:37 |
| gothicmindfood | that contains suggestions from non-native speakers in our communities? | 14:38 |
| alexismonville | yes, I think that from time to time, we need to ask people: what do you think | 14:38 |
| gothicmindfood | dhellmann: I was going to say - sometimes I feel like I can't get a word in edgewise, and I'm from Detroit :) | 14:38 |
| alexismonville | for example, EmilienM wdyt? | 14:38 |
| ttx | making it clear what the topic being discussed is, and if there are complex arguments, take turns exposing them | 14:38 |
| fungi | i agree using turns makes it easier for me to follow, at least... but it also means you cover maybe 25% as many topics | 14:38 |
| gothicmindfood | hm. | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | gothicmindfood : the trick seems to be not to read what others are saying ;-) | 14:39 |
| ttx | Sometimes difficult to switch from unstrcutured to structured, but we should do more of it | 14:39 |
| ttx | So those are mostly best practices call | 14:39 |
| alexismonville | ttx: yes | 14:39 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: yup, but we should write our best practices down and share with others, for sure | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | fungi : sometimes I think we don't make the best use of meeting time, and try to cover too many topics | 14:39 |
| gothicmindfood | okay | 14:39 |
| * dhellmann senses a new section for the project team guide | 14:39 | |
| ttx | I think in most cases (99% of the time) the discussion is calm enough to be able to be followed | 14:39 |
| gothicmindfood | I feel like we can cover this list all day | 14:39 |
| fungi | dhellmann: pushing more discussions out of meetings and to the ml is probably a good choice there, yes | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | going back to timezones though, meeting exclude folks anyways, so you need other ways of having input into the debate (but we loop back to the ML there...) | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : everything eventually comes down to email | 14:40 |
| jroll | dhellmann: ++ | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: I wish it wasn't true, but... yeah | 14:40 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: yes. Also hangouts / videocalls are not helping. Some cultures are pretty shy at exposing their spoken english | 14:40 |
| alexismonville | johnthetubaguy: not necessarily the ML, it could be a ehterpad in which you are building a concensus | 14:40 |
| EmilienM | alexismonville: indeed, I found the TC meeting quite hard to follow | 14:40 |
| ttx | (that includes french people) | 14:40 |
| fungi | the growing subpopulation with an aversion to e-mail is complicating this further | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | should we pick 1 most important thing from this list to focus on for a little while? | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: totally, my main problem I was meaning is because they are synchronous, and I might be asleep at that point | 14:41 |
| EmilienM | johnthetubaguy: very good point | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : as a native english speaker, I have trouble at times, too | 14:41 |
| gothicmindfood | we also have a couple more things I need to get to this week - we have some good action items to push us forward. If good suggestions/ideas come up in investigation, we should also consider bringing up ideas on the ML sooner rather than later, I think! | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann ++ | 14:41 |
| ttx | also IRC provides nice subtitles in case you didn't get what was just said | 14:41 |
| ttx | without having to ask anyone to repeat | 14:41 |
| ttx | which is jst impossible in a 5+ people videocall | 14:42 |
| gothicmindfood | dhellmann: I think we've got languages/time zones getting tackled with johnthetubaguy, I'm doing new contributor, and ttx is exploring persistent IRC | 14:42 |
| gothicmindfood | does that sound like a limited enough list for now? | 14:42 |
| ttx | ack | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | gothicmindfood : yeah, I don't want us to be overwhelmed by trying to solve everything at once | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I suspect that will generate another list of things that follow on from that | 14:43 |
| fungi | for me at least, reviewing the meeting as a transcript is far quicker than trying to review a video/audio recording (i basically just won't bother and hope someone provides a text summary later) | 14:43 |
| gothicmindfood | dhellmann: exactly. there's a lot on that list! | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | fungi : ++ | 14:43 |
| gothicmindfood | okay | 14:43 |
| ttx | good list though | 14:43 |
| gothicmindfood | #topic Meeting time change to accommodate west coast US? | 14:43 |
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| EmilienM | wait how do you know I'm moving to the west coast | 14:43 |
| gothicmindfood | so - some folks approached me at the PTG and said they'd like to come to our meeting but it's super early for west coasters | 14:43 |
| gothicmindfood | EmilienM: :) | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | 6.44 is not super early | 14:44 |
| gothicmindfood | we've also got some UK people so we'll need to find a good spread of time there that can accommodate everyone | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | 4am is super early | 14:44 |
| * dhellmann notes the irony of that request in light of what we just talked about | 14:44 | |
| gothicmindfood | dhellmann: :) | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | time to alternate meeting times? or just move a little bit? | 14:44 |
| gothicmindfood | so - currently, we have meetings every other week, at 6 AM west coast time | 14:44 |
| EmilienM | to me, 6am is not that terrible | 14:45 |
| gothicmindfood | 1) do we want to keep meetings at every other week? or would we prefer to try every week? | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : or move to the mailing list? :-) | 14:45 |
| EmilienM | but it's $my_opinion | 14:45 |
| gothicmindfood | 2) do we want to change the meeting time to a little later in the day, and if so, what is the right spread of hours to suggest to try to get as many people as are interested involved? | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: true | 14:45 |
| jroll | EmilienM: +1 for early mornings :P | 14:45 |
| gothicmindfood | we could also alternate meeting times every other week, but I worry about the split that creates in the group. I'm open to it, though, if it feels like the best answer | 14:46 |
| jroll | gothicmindfood: shall we rephrase (2) to "which geographic area are we okay with excluding?" | 14:46 |
| jroll | we're always going to miss some folks | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | gothicmindfood : a split might give us 2 groups working on different problems, too | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | back to what dhellmann said about irony | 14:47 |
| gothicmindfood | jroll: well, it might be that we're not okay with it and we can do a switch off btwn timezones | 14:47 |
| gothicmindfood | johnthetubaguy: yup! :) I was laughing at myself earlier because I knew we were going to discuss this | 14:47 |
| jroll | right :) | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | I have found a split often works OK if you get a core of folks that overlap both times | 14:47 |
| fungi | split also often results in two groups working independently on the same problems and failing to communicate with each other, thus duplicating work unnecessarily and sometimes even angering each other | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | but what jroll said, that always excludes someone | 14:47 |
| gothicmindfood | I wonder, personally, if having a meeting every week might help us with our velocity of work problem | 14:47 |
| gothicmindfood | getting things going a bit quicker... | 14:48 |
| alexismonville | could we survey the TZ of the people who would like to attend? | 14:48 |
| gothicmindfood | alexismonville: because we're close to out of time here, I was going to offer to write the ML to continue the discussion on timing/inclusion :) | 14:48 |
| ttx | who would like to be more involved in SWG but can't due to meetings time | 14:48 |
| EmilienM | ttx: that's the good question to ask | 14:48 |
| gothicmindfood | right. | 14:49 |
| dhellmann | I'd like to be more involved, but I can't because ETOOMANYMEETINGS is a general issue I'm trying to address | 14:49 |
| alexismonville | yes, and what is your timezone | 14:49 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: yes we need to talk about training continuity | 14:49 |
| EmilienM | but yeah, please move it before I move (july), 6am is super early (joke) | 14:49 |
| gothicmindfood | should I write the ML to check in? | 14:49 |
| gothicmindfood | I'll do that | 14:49 |
| dhellmann | so personally, I'd like us to try using the ML for some of these discussions | 14:49 |
| gothicmindfood | #action gothicmindfood to write the ML to discuss meeting time changes and timezone interest in SWG | 14:49 |
| ttx | yes, how much do we need IRC meetings | 14:49 |
| gothicmindfood | okay - last topic | 14:49 |
| ttx | only benefit to me is to force me to work on it | 14:50 |
| gothicmindfood | #topic Leadership training updates/info | 14:50 |
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| ttx | (regular reminder) | 14:50 |
| gothicmindfood | so! I've pinged all the people initially interested in leadership training, and have gotten a great response as far as confirmation | 14:50 |
| gothicmindfood | we've got around 10 new people who are already interested from that first batch, and I haven't opened sign up to the mailing list yet, generally. | 14:51 |
| fungi | what's the target attendance? | 14:51 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: has sanely decided to not attend, so he can have one month this spring where he doesn't have to fly across the atlantic | 14:51 |
| gothicmindfood | fungi: we max out at 20 | 14:51 |
| fungi | cool, thanks | 14:51 |
| gothicmindfood | I'm happy to go, and it's easy for me to, to be a bridge between groups | 14:52 |
| ttx | one thing we discussed was to have some member(s) from the first batch to attend the 3rd day (at least) to give us some perspective and continuity | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | so crazy idea... | 14:52 |
| gothicmindfood | jroll: has also said he's able to do that | 14:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lets try include those people who can't make this time in the debate, as an exercise in fixing the TZ issue? | 14:52 |
| gothicmindfood | is anyone else from the first group interested in attending? | 14:52 |
| ttx | although I'm interested in seeing where a different group ends up, following the same training :) | 14:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorry, I missed the topic change, pulled away | 14:53 |
| ttx | (so not too much steering) | 14:53 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: right, I think I view myself less as a steerer, more as a facilitator :) | 14:53 |
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| fungi | like steering a train | 14:53 |
| amrith | :) | 14:53 |
| ttx | or steer a training | 14:53 |
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| gothicmindfood | ps - I'm keeping track of current confirmations over at the old leadership training etherpad: | 14:54 |
| amrith | or training a steer | 14:54 |
| gothicmindfood | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Leadershiptraining | 14:54 |
| jroll | yeah, I'm still open to attending | 14:54 |
| gothicmindfood | I'll be releasing that etherpad to the ML for sign up by EOD today | 14:54 |
| gothicmindfood | so if anyone here wants to confirm, and reserve a space, please do so now | 14:55 |
| amrith | I'd love to attend but I need to find a rich uncle | 14:55 |
| gothicmindfood | amrith: if you find one, let me know! | 14:55 |
| gothicmindfood | :) | 14:55 |
| jroll | gothicmindfood: do you want me on the list on the etherpad or more like "if space exists" | 14:55 |
| ttx | amrith: willbe the precise same training though | 14:55 |
| gothicmindfood | jroll: I think throw yourself on at 19? and we'll see how quickly things fill up. if someone pings me and is desperate for a slot we can decide between us who goes :) | 14:56 |
| jroll | gothicmindfood: sounds good, thanks | 14:56 |
| ttx | would be great to extend to UC members | 14:56 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: I did | 14:56 |
| amrith | ttx, understood. I have signed up for the visioning thing in Boston (next week). no rich uncle required for that. if there's a benefit of continuity from the last session, happy to join in. | 14:56 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: they are not responding to their emails | 14:56 |
| ttx | ohoh back to square one | 14:56 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: except shamail who isn't sure he can get funding | 14:56 |
| jroll | heh | 14:56 |
| jroll | full circle | 14:57 |
| gothicmindfood | love it | 14:57 |
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| * gothicmindfood goes to write ML emails that no one will respond to now ;) | 14:57 | |
| amrith | so ttx, I listed myself as 21, knowing that the cap is 20. | 14:57 |
| gothicmindfood | #topic open discussion | 14:57 |
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| gothicmindfood | anything else, in the last 3 minutes? | 14:57 |
| gothicmindfood | besides y | 14:57 |
| ttx | y | 14:57 |
| alexismonville | gothicmindfood: you will attend the training? | 14:57 |
| gothicmindfood | 'all are really awesome and I'm delighted you're here? | 14:57 |
| gothicmindfood | alexismonville: yes, either me or jroll or both of us | 14:58 |
| alexismonville | great! | 14:58 |
| EmilienM | thanks for chairing the meeting gothicmindfood ! | 14:59 |
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| gothicmindfood | thanks for a productive meeting, everyone! keep an eye out for that message about rescheduling swg meetings! | 14:59 |
| fungi | a pleasure as always | 14:59 |
| gothicmindfood | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| amrith | thx gothicmindfood | 14:59 |
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| alexismonville | yeap! thank you | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 2 14:59:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_swg/2017/openstack_swg.2017-03-02-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_swg/2017/openstack_swg.2017-03-02-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_swg/2017/openstack_swg.2017-03-02-14.00.log.html | 14:59 |
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| jroll | thanks gothicmindfood :) | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 2 15:02:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:02 |
| john-davidge | o/ | 15:02 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | sorry for the delay, got distracted analyzing a bug | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #topic Annoucements | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | We had a succesful PTG last week in Atlanta. A lot was discussed | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton sent an email with the summary earlier this week | 15:04 |
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| haleyb | i heard there was some good dvr work, still have to digest all of that | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/113032.html | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | any other annoucements? | 15:07 |
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| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | First up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627424 | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627424 in neutron "FlushError on IPAllocation" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:10 |
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| mlavalle | I have been reviewing a couple of patchsets by kevinbenton | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | They refactor the the way ml2 and the db plugin delete networks and subnets | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | and as a consequence, the way network owned ports are deleted | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | we are going to wait for those patchsets to merge and re-examine how this bug is affected | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | The patchsets in question are: | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/423584 | 15:13 |
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| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428774 | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | chime in if you can | 15:13 |
| haleyb | i will take another look today | 15:14 |
| haleyb | i added them to the etherpad under the bug as well | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | Thanks haleyb! | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627480 | 15:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627480 in neutron "create_port can succeed without returning fixed_ips on all requested subnets" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to James Anziano (janzian) | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | janzian is off on vacation this week | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | But I spent some time with him taking a look at this bug the Friday before the PTG | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | And earlier today I spent some time digging in Kibana (that's how I got late to this meeting) | 15:17 |
| * john-davidge is now giving this meeting his full attention :) | 15:18 | |
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| mlavalle | It has to do with ports being created on subnets being deleted. So it's starting to look to me very similar to the previous bug | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | I will dig a little bit more over the next few days before reaching a final conclusion, though | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | any questions, suggestions? | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | Next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610483 | 15:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach) | 15:20 |
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| haleyb | there were some comment by ihar yesterday, but he didn't -1, think they can be addressed though | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys reviewed the proposed fix earlier this week | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390594/ | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | he seems to be happy overall with it. He suggested a couple of changes and add some more testing | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | with the review that haleyb did a couple of weeks ago, it seems that we are converging to a solution | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | any comments? | 15:24 |
| haleyb | i will run a quick test with that test back and see what happens | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | cool, thanks haleyb | 15:25 |
| haleyb | might just go <boom> :) | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | hopefully not :-) | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | Last one today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1509004 | 15:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1509004 in neutron ""test_dualnet_dhcp6_stateless_from_os" failures seen in the gate" [High,Confirmed] | 15:27 |
| haleyb | that still fails occasionally, just looked in kibana, ~1-2 a day | 15:28 |
| haleyb | usually in multi-node jobs | 15:28 |
| haleyb | although a lot is in one of the non-voting jobs | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | cool, let's keep an eye on it. thanks haleyb | 15:30 |
| haleyb | don't have much to add besides that, seems more noise now than critical | 15:30 |
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| mlavalle | great. that's good to know | 15:31 |
| haleyb | 21 in last 30 days | 15:31 |
| clarkb | keep in mind we only keep 10 days of data | 15:32 |
| clarkb | so its 21 in 10 | 15:32 |
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| mlavalle | clarkb: ahhh, that's good to know | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | clarkb: so if I query kibana for the last 30 days, it is really only showing the last 10 days | 15:32 |
| clarkb | yes | 15:32 |
| haleyb | ah, then i am corrected, always just widen to 30 | 15:32 |
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| mlavalle | any other bugs? | 15:34 |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | #topic Prefix Delegation | 15:35 |
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| mlavalle | I don't see baoli on | 15:35 |
| john-davidge | I have a minor update to mention on PD testing | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | john-davidge: go ahead | 15:36 |
| john-davidge | Had a conversation with the openstack ansible team at the PTG about doing some end-to-end testing in their gate where we can easily install and configure the dibbler server | 15:36 |
| john-davidge | A couple of people here at Rackspace are ding the preliminary work on that now | 15:37 |
| john-davidge | hopefully they can join this meeting in the coming weeks to give progress updates | 15:37 |
| john-davidge | thats it | 15:37 |
| john-davidge | *doing | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | that's great! | 15:38 |
| haleyb | john-davidge: that would be great since would give us some functional testing potential | 15:38 |
| john-davidge | haleyb: Yeah that's the hope. PD has suffered a large number of regressions over the last few cycles | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | any other comments? | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | ok | 15:41 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:41 |
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| mlavalle | john-davidge: do you want to comment on the progress made in Atlanta? | 15:41 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Sure | 15:41 |
| john-davidge | So mlavalle and I had a productive conversation about putting the plan onto paper. The result was this RFE https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1667329 | 15:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667329 in neutron "[RFE] Floating IP Subnets on Routed Provider Networks" [Undecided,Triaged] | 15:42 |
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| john-davidge | It's not a long read, but the summary is use Service Subnets to allow FIP subnets on routed networks | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | that's cool | 15:43 |
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| john-davidge | Then use BGP Dynamic Routing to advertise the ToR as the next hop depending on the segment where the instance lives | 15:44 |
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| john-davidge | Hopefully it will be discussed in the drivers meeting today | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | yeah, that is my expectation | 15:44 |
| john-davidge | I'm ready to get started with the implementation as soon as its approved | 15:44 |
| john-davidge | and/or swrite a spec if needed | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | me too | 15:45 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Excellent :) | 15:45 |
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| mlavalle | anything else? | 15:46 |
| john-davidge | not from me | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | thanks for the update john-davidge | 15:47 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:47 |
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| mlavalle | any other topics we should discuss today? | 15:47 |
| john-davidge | I added this to the agenda: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433234 | 15:48 |
| john-davidge | Creating subnets without an allocation pool | 15:48 |
| john-davidge | it could use some review attention so we can agree on the format of the api extension | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | thanks john-davidge. I commited to take a look at this patchset before flying to Mexico City | 15:49 |
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| mlavalle | I will do it today or tomorrow | 15:49 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Make sure you send me a Margharita in the mail | 15:49 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: I'll send you my postal address | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | will do :-) | 15:50 |
| haleyb | or just some "Mexican water" as our waiter called it :) | 15:50 |
| mlavalle | that's pretty good | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | ok guys. Thanks for attending :-) | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | Daughter getting married this coming Saturday. Yaay! | 15:51 |
| john-davidge | mlavalle: Have a great time!! | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 2 15:52:07 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-03-02-15.02.html | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-03-02-15.02.txt | 15:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-03-02-15.02.log.html | 15:52 |
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| cdent | #startmeeting api-wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 2 16:00:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| cdent | #chair cdent elmiko etoews edleafe | 16:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: elmiko | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent edleafe elmiko etoews | 16:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 16:00 |
| cdent | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:00 |
| cdent | who is with us today? | 16:00 |
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| edleafe | I brought a deck of cards in case no one shows up | 16:01 |
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| cdent | for two people I prefer gin rummy, if we had 4 I'd say euchre | 16:01 |
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| cdent | #topic open mic and new biz | 16:02 |
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| cdent | reflecting upon the ptg seems the order of the day | 16:02 |
| cdent | nice blog post from edleafe: | 16:02 |
| cdent | #link https://blog.leafe.com/atlanta-ptg-reflections/ | 16:02 |
| cdent | etherpads from the event itself | 16:03 |
| cdent | stability | 16:03 |
| cdent | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-stability-guidelines | 16:03 |
| cdent | capabilities | 16:03 |
| edleafe | I didn't go into API-WG details, as I thought you might be writing something up for the ML | 16:03 |
| cdent | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/capabilities-pike | 16:03 |
| cdent | service catalog | 16:03 |
| cdent | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/service-catalog-pike | 16:03 |
| cdent | I do plan to write something up | 16:03 |
| cdent | but today I've simply been getting out from under email etc | 16:03 |
| cdent | The etherpads will hopefully be enough to stimulate my memory | 16:04 |
| edleafe | Heh, I know that feeling | 16:04 |
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| edleafe | I'm only now starting to feel caught up | 16:04 |
| cdent | In that same process of writing I hope to also do the next version of the stability guideline document | 16:05 |
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| edleafe | I can take either off your plate | 16:06 |
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| cdent | Unless you're dying to do them, I don't mind as it will help me get my brain back in order? | 16:07 |
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| edleafe | Sure, no worries. Just trying to be neighborly and such | 16:08 |
| cdent | Hey neighbor | 16:08 |
| cdent | I reckon for next ptg we can and should prepare a more robust plan and agenda. Not having a room and me not knowing I was going until late worked against that. But we seem to be a good landing spot for a fair bit of cross-projectness. | 16:09 |
| cdent | Any other comments on PTG or other open mic-ness? | 16:09 |
| edleafe | I already spoke with ttx about that "first event" confusion, and how it made Monday rocky | 16:10 |
| edleafe | He's aware of the scheduling issues, as we aren't the only group who mentioned it | 16:10 |
| cdent | ✔ | 16:11 |
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| cdent | #topic guidelines | 16:13 |
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| cdent | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:13 |
| cdent | only new thing here is a typo fix which can approve and merge (assuming we like it) without the usual guidelines dance: | 16:14 |
| cdent | #link typo fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436865/2 | 16:14 |
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| cdent | I left that +w to you edleafe if you concur | 16:15 |
| edleafe | I dunno, seems pretty controversial to me | 16:15 |
| cdent | it was pretty wrong on ps1 | 16:15 |
| edleafe | Perhaps we need a series of intense meetings | 16:15 |
| cdent | Perhaps an entire week of meetings | 16:15 |
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| edleafe | So is the repo one +2 before we can +W? | 16:16 |
| edleafe | Instead of two +2s | 16:16 |
| cdent | yeah | 16:17 |
| edleafe | Ah, you snuck in a +2 before me | 16:17 |
| edleafe | Done | 16:17 |
| cdent | so I could have approved that myself, but figured it was good to have more eyes on it | 16:17 |
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| cdent | huzzah | 16:18 |
| cdent | #topic bug review | 16:18 |
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| cdent | no new bugs | 16:18 |
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| cdent | would be nice to tick a few more of those off. I've been planning to do the testing related one forever, but haven't had much in the way of available time | 16:19 |
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| cdent | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:20 |
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| cdent | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter | 16:20 |
| * cdent begins writing | 16:20 | |
| cdent | i wanted to say "was a huge party" but then decided against it | 16:24 |
| * edleafe begins nitpicking | 16:24 | |
| edleafe | No beer == no party | 16:24 |
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| cdent | true enough | 16:28 |
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| cdent | anything you want to add edleafe ? | 16:28 |
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| edleafe | I like the alphabet soup of API-WG PTG | 16:29 |
| edleafe | :) | 16:29 |
| edleafe | naw, LGTM | 16:29 |
| cdent | API-WG PTG RECAP RSN | 16:30 |
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| cdent | anything else to say before we end it (all)? | 16:31 |
| edleafe | wait, 'recap' isn't an acronym, it's an abbreviation | 16:31 |
| cdent | rationalists earnestly complain about punctuation | 16:31 |
| edleafe | would you recapitulate that for me? | 16:32 |
| cdent | no | 16:33 |
| cdent | #endmeeting | 16:33 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-03-02-16.00.html | 16:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-03-02-16.00.txt | 16:33 |
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| olaph | any app catalog peeps around? | 17:01 |
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| tbachman | hi SumitNaiksatam! | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: annak tbachman igordcard: hi | 18:04 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry having problems with colloquy | 18:04 |
| annak | hi! | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 2 18:04:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#March_2nd_2017 | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Newton Sync | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/426437 | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the above is not done yet, but i am down to one issue | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at least in the UTs | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | taking much longer than i had planned | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | quite a few things had changed, especially with respect to session handling, transactions, db objects, etc | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think you did a quick review on one of the earlier patches | 18:06 |
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| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I had a couple comments/questions on patch set 18. Some of these no longer apply, but some might. | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i read your comments, havent responded because i was fixing some of them | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah | 18:07 |
| rkukura | figured that | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | just saying that | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will cook up a detailed commit message | 18:07 |
| rkukura | ok | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that will explain all that needed to be done, and the pending items | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak is already working on at least a couple of the items | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439247 <— this is the db migration for using project_id | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: thanks for promptly posting the above | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | she has also posted a client patch: #link https://review.openstack.org/435155 | 18:09 |
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| annak | no problem. I'm not sure it covers all and was wondering if UTs will give enough confidence | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: per plan, after i finish fixing this last UT issue, i will incorporate the client patch into the devstack integration test on the server side (currently all integration jobs are noop in the newton sync patch) | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: yes sure, i will take a look | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: if you dont mind i might make changes to that patch directly and post patchsets if its a quick thing | 18:10 |
| annak | sure, feel free | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: thanks | 18:10 |
| rkukura | so I take it we aren’t ready to merge this one yet? | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: no, nothing is tested with the integration tests | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that means the devstack also needs to be fixed, painful! | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, this happens every time, so need to suck it up! | 18:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so to the extent anyone got a chance to look at the newton sync patch, i just wanted to bring it up here if any clarifications are needed | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: annak: as before thanks for taking a look | 18:13 |
| rkukura | no problem | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also, per ongoing convention with GBP, we will try to merge these patches as soon as we have reasonable confidence, and cut stable/newton, after that we continue to backport anything that is considered necessary | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | but it will be good to have the stable/newton at the earliest so that packages can be built | 18:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | btw, heat and horizon will also need to be fixed | 18:15 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: I've run some devstack tests with all 3 patches above neutron and basic stuff works (with some devstack settings commented out) | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: oh wow, nice! | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: thanks for trying that, i might reach out to you then in case the devstack fails | 18:16 |
| annak | sure | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean if i run into issues with the conf | 18:16 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annak: so you used the GBP devstack plugin? | 18:16 |
| annak | SumitNaiksatam: not sure what you mean :) I was running with vmware plugin as core plugin | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sure | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i was checking if you used this: | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | https://github.com/openstack/group-based-policy/tree/master/devstack | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | to configure the GBP part | 18:18 |
| annak | probably, i think this is what happens when you run devstack and enable gbp plugin, right? | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annak: right | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: so did you change anything after that? | 18:19 |
| annak | sorry i'm new to openstack so occasional stupid questions are expected :) | 18:19 |
| annak | yes, i disabled a few services - all heat-related stuff and a few more, i can send you the list | 18:20 |
| tbachman | annak: you can’t take away my title of “king of the stupid question” ;) | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: no, not at all | 18:20 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: common on! :-) | 18:20 |
| * tbachman is a pro at playing dumb :P | 18:20 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: :-) | 18:20 |
| annak | :) | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: that would be great | 18:21 |
| annak | ok, will do | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is igordcard around? | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic QoS | 18:21 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/426436 | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | unfortunately i didnt get a chance to follow up after igordcard’s latest comments | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think the NFP tests are still failing, and igordcard had a clue as to why | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would still like to get this merged before we cut stable/networn | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *newton | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i will try to sync up with him offline | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Open Discussion | 18:23 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: any reflections from the Atlanta PTG relevant to this meeting or our project? | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i believe you met garyk | 18:23 |
| rkukura | yes, spoke with garyk a bit | 18:23 |
| rkukura | he had a call planned with annak and we were going to followup after that, but did not get to it | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure, i think annak is making great progress in a very short time | 18:25 |
| rkukura | absolutely | 18:25 |
| annak | wow thanks :) nice to hear | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and without much help, i should add | 18:25 |
| rkukura | sounded like garyk had the same impression | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think the sooner we can get stable/newton done, the faster we can move to working on features again | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this activity is holding everything else back | 18:26 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | thats on me! :-( | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | alrighty, if nothing else, we can wrap up for today | 18:27 |
| rkukura | nothing else from me | 18:27 |
| annak | nor from me | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have a bunch of NFP patches which i was hoping to discuss but i dont think any of the authors are here | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so offline and next time | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks rkukura annak tbachman | 18:28 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thanks! | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye all! | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 18:28 |
| annak | thanks! bye | 18:28 |
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| rkukura | bye | 18:28 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 2 18:28:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-03-02-18.04.html | 18:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-03-02-18.04.txt | 18:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-03-02-18.04.log.html | 18:28 |
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| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: FWIW, my colloquy client also crashed during the meeting :P | 18:28 |
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| tbachman | someone must be using the Colloquy “ping of death" | 18:29 |
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