Wednesday, 2017-03-01

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soichi#startmeeting taas05:31
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  1 05:31:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is soichi. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.05:31
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soichireedip_ ?05:31
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soichi#topic Work items to get merged into Neutron Stadium05:32
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anil_raodid you all attend the PTG05:32
soichii think attendees were yamamoto, reedip, and I.05:33
anil_raoAnything interesting to report w.r.t. TaaS?05:34
soichireedip_: hi05:34
soichianil_rao: "In Pike , Tap-as-a-Service would like to target inclusion in Neutron Stadium"05:35
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soichiline 9205:36
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anil_raoGreat! :-)05:36
anil_raoI think the most important thing for us is to get the failure/error situations handled. I'll work on that.05:38
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anil_raoCan we discuss the things in this space that we should address.   inputs anyone?05:39
soichireedip_: could you act as host for today's agenda?05:39
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anil_raoreedip is not responding... must be a connection issue ...05:41
reedip_sorry I was busy on another issue05:42
soichii think there are work items05:42
reedip_we can go through the TaaS wiki first05:43
reedip_I updated some things in that Wiki05:43
reedip_I think most of us have already gone through the items05:44
reedip_for governance05:45
reedip_I discussed with Armando and he was very helpful05:45
reedip_TL;DR : We need to conform with the current checklist for Governance05:45
reedip_Including OSC implementations and Neutron-Lib migrations05:46
anil_raoI can 1) look into the error handling and 2) investigate using the L2 extension framework for TaaS.05:46
reedip_Once done, we need to drop a mail to the Neutron Team , explaining why we can qualify for Governance project05:46
reedip_L2 extension is also a part of our Governance selection05:46
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anil_raoreedip_: Good to know.05:47
reedip_anil_rao : I have a WIP patch
reedip_we can take it up together if you have time05:47
reedip_I made a checklist earlier for Governance05:48
anil_raoreedip_: Sounds good. Let me review your patch in detail and we'll go from there. :-)05:48
soichireedip_: +1 for making a checklist for Governance05:49
reedip_Please see if it is visible05:49
reedip_I will add more things in it05:49
reedip_socihi : please add an action item for me in the Meeting Logs05:49
reedip_Moving Forward05:51
reedip_manikBindlish and I tried to install and run TaaS on Newton05:51
anil_raoreedip_: is this a production setup or DevStack?05:52
reedip_anil_rao : this was more of a production based setup , using Packstack Newton/Mitaka and
soichi#action reedip_: made a checklist earlier for Governance05:53
anil_raoreedip_: I saw the document you attached in your email today. The install instructions for Ubuntu look extremely painful. Why do we need so much stuff?05:53
reedip_anil_rao : That was the mismatch between the Upstream package created for TaaS and packstack/stable deployment of Mitaka/Newton05:54
manikBindlishLast neutron version(for Newton release) was release on 3rd Dec, 2016 but the taas package was old from this date.05:54
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reedip_we put up the question on
reedip_No updates on that yet05:55
anil_raoPerhaps we should target Ocata for this kind of work. What do you think?05:56
reedip_anil_rao : The latest package for TaaS lies between newton and ocata ( release in Mid December)05:56
reedip_I think we would face similar issue again05:57
reedip_anil_rao : BTW we know how painful it was... took a lot from us :D05:57
anil_raoWe can request the Ubuntu folks to build a new version of TaaS. Mitaka seems old by comparison.05:57
anil_raoIf we are planning to get into the Statdium in Pica that Ocata is our best bet for the moment IMHO.05:58
anil_raothat --> then05:58
reedip_Pica -> pike05:58
reedip_yeah, sure. I have raised the bug for the same reason05:58
soichii think so, too05:58
reedip_Moving forward , if there is nothing to add in this for now .....05:59
reedip_In PTG I discussed with Igor for the Common Classifier Model. The updated spec is
soichi#topic Important Reviews:06:00
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reedip_We can review it from the TaaS perspective to identify what are the things we need in the common classifier model06:00
reedip_I have started participating in thier meetings from TaaS and FwaaS perspective06:01
reedip_davidsha would share the PoC for CC Model soon06:02
reedip_anil_rao, kaz, soichi : Please go through the review , so that anything missing can be added to the Spec06:03
anil_raoreedip_: Will do.06:03
kazreedip_: sure06:03
soichii will take a look it06:03
reedip_the next review item is : ajo's L2 extension06:04
reedip_anil_rao : I think this was the review you were discussing in the last meeting before the PTG06:05
anil_raoI have reviewed this. It is what we need to get past the VLAN limitation that caused me to comment out some code last year in the TaaS Driver.06:06
reedip_anil_rao : Ok, I will also view it tomorrow06:06
reedip_I have no more topics to discuss06:07
manikBindlishI have a question06:07
manikBindlishI sent a mail on devstack mailing list yesterday06:08
manikBindlishinstances are pinging but packets are not captured, so how to debug the issue?06:09
manikBindlishas yamamoto san suggested to disable security group, i have tried that but still the problem exist06:09
anil_raoFor the destination port you will need to disable port-security.06:10
manikBindlishsecurity was disabled for both the ports06:10
anil_raoNot Security Groups but port-security. And only for the destination port. no change is required for the source ports.06:11
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manikBindlishhi anil_rao : So should I (a) Enable Port security in Source port or keep it disabled06:13
manikBindlish(b) I do not have any SG on Source or Dest Port. Is that ok?06:13
manikBindlish(c) How can I veiw the packet transfer from OVS Bridge ? Any suggestions on debugging TaaS?06:13
anil_raoThe source port does not need any special action. Just leave it as is. It can have Security Groups set ... it does not matter.06:13
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anil_raoUsing ovs-ofctl you can see the count of packets passing through the various OVS bridges for debugging.06:15
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manikBindlishOk, I will use dump-flows on br-ex and br-tun and br-tap to see the flows and respond back on the ML06:18
manikBindlishanil_rao : hope that sounds ok ?06:18
anil_raoAlso check in br-int to see if the capture is actually happening for the ports assocaited with the source and if the tap-service is delivering to the destination.06:19
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soichiI think you may get a hit for debugging from the presentation:
soichithey checks tap devices by using tcpdump06:21
manikBindlishok, I can try by this06:21
reedip_we can add this info in the docs I shared yesterday06:23
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anil_raoreedip_: I was meaning to ask ... what is that doc for?06:23
reedip_it was discussed earlier to have a technical document for others, like users and developers to undertsand about taas, how it can be used etc.06:24
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anil_raoI thought we had already covered that in our different Summit presentations. Is there something that we haven't covered.06:25
reedip_Debugging and recovery, for example.06:25
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anil_raoreedip_: Debugging IMO is more of a Neutron thing. Anyone familiar with debugging Neutron networks should be able to use the same techniques for debugging TaaS after one has studied the traffic flow path in TaaS.06:26
anil_raoRecovery we will handle by the stuff I am looking into for error case coverage.06:27
anil_raowe have big gaps in this area which makes TaaS unusable in a production environment.06:27
anil_raoI wanted to discuss this topic for the last two meetings but never get thetime. :-)06:28
anil_raoPerhaps next week. :)06:28
vnyyadani_rao: let make it an agenda for next week06:28
anil_raovnyyad: It is on the agenda for the last two meetings...06:29
vnyyad:) i mean lets just have it as the first item and stick to it :)06:30
soichiit looks run out of time06:30
soichisee you next week06:30
vnyyadsee you bye!06:30
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tobberyd_So, who is here for the Public Cloud WG meeting? =)14:00
yankcrimehey tobberyd_14:01
yankcrimeo hai seanhandley14:01
yankcrimefancy seeing you here14:01
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tobberydbergHi guys! Saw that my nick was changed again =)14:01
tobberydbergIs he 2 feet away IRL and 10 sek away here? ;-)14:02
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tobberydbergSo, just the 3 of us right now... Lets wait a couple of minutes before we start...14:03
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tobberydbergHi! Welcome!14:05
tobberydbergLets give it 3 more minutes and then we start14:08
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tobberydberg#startmeeting publiccloud-wg14:11
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  1 14:11:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tobberydberg. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:11
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tobberydbergWe start! Please fill in your name at the participants area for this meeting at the etherpad!14:12
tobberydberg....and you are all very welcome! =)14:13
tobberydberg#topic Reveiw last weeks agenda items (APs)14:13
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tobberydbergWe have 2 APs here - first one is on me14:14
tobberydbergTobias and others to setup an individual repo for the     publiccloud-wg14:14
yankcrimei think i said i was going to help out with that14:14
yankcrimeand then promptly did nothing about it whatsoever14:14
tobberydbergI guess you did! =)14:15
yankcrimeso er, apologies for at least not pinging you an email14:15
tobberydbergDon't know it you saw the discussion in the maling list yesterday?14:15
yankcrimeah, no14:15
yankcrimeon openstack-operators?14:15
tobberydbergNo worries!14:15
yankcrimei was in a meeting offsite for most of yesterday and so pretty much out of the loop14:15
yankcrimeah, i don't subscribe to that one14:16
tobberydbergShort summary of that...14:17
tobberydbergThey question us of why we need a new one for our use cases14:17
tobberydbergSince the openstack-user-stories exist already14:18
tobberydbergI know we used the Product WG template for that as a base, but changed it. Not sure it is a must that they are the same for the stories exist in the same repo14:19
tobberydbergI can agree on the good parts of having the same repo and template14:19
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tobberydbergAnother reason we had for having our own repo was to have a separate review process within the teams area before "maybe" merge them into "openstack-user-stories"14:20
tobberydbergWhich I still believe is a good approach, but maybe not a must14:21
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tobberydbergSo, with that you get the picture of the feedback from the list vs why we wanted our own repo?14:22
tobberydbergOr am I making a mess of it? =)14:23
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tobberydbergBefore continue on that one, next AP is for zhipeng and to check deadline dates for the submission of forum topics14:27
yankcrimesorry tobberydberg, $work beckons - i'll be back asap :(14:27
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tobberydbergI can cover for zhipeng here and say that yesterday was the official start for the "brainstorming" about topics. Please follow the user-committee list to what is happening there, all session topics will be announced there14:29
seanhandleyok :-)14:30
tobberydbergSo, deadline will be around the end of the month14:30
tobberydbergI suggest that we call out for a separate brainstorming meeting just to focus on that part. Thought about that?14:31
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seanhandley+1 tobberydberg14:32
seanhandleya focussed session just for that makes sense14:32
seanhandleyand we're short on time14:32
tobberydbergWas hoping to get a good start for that during todays meeting, but since we are so few not much of that will happen14:33
tobberydbergNext week?14:33
tobberydbergearly next week?14:33
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tobberydbergMonday at the 1400 UTC?14:35
wondraFine here.14:36
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tobberydberg#action tobberydberg to find time and meeting room, send out invitation to Forum Brainstorming Session14:37
tobberydberg#topic Report from PTG in Atlanta14:38
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tobberydbergThat topic was for zhipeng to cover since he was our only representative at the PTG =)14:38
tobberydbergWe had an extra meeting with the group - notes here:
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tobberydbergNice to see that we did get some response from the Keystone team for a couple of the items in the GAP docusment14:40
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tobberydbergWould love to se more of that!14:40
tobberydbergAdded the comments from them to the GAP doc and added 2 columns - one where we can add related links to patches, specs etc etc14:41
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tobberydberg#topic Discuss "User story template"14:42
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zhipengsorry i'm late14:42
tobberydbergI covered your topics for you ... hope I didn't lie to much =)14:42
tobberydbergSo, template discussion14:43
tobberydbergwe started that earlier in the meeting...14:43
zhipengany more input on the template14:44
tobberydbergAs I said we got questions about why not using the same template...and, if it doesn't fit our needs, make suggestions of how to change if to fit us better14:44
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tobberydbergI agree on your opinion zhipeng, that a separate repo would be nice in the star up phase, with hope of merge later on14:45
tobberydberg...for the use cases...14:46
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tobberydbergBut, I think that we should take their suggestion into consideration.14:47
tobberydbergWhat's the opinions about this?14:47
zhipengyes of course that was my first thought as well14:48
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tobberydbergConsidering the feedback - change back to that?14:50
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tobberydbergI will have to be honest and say that I will need read up about the details of the template14:51
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zhipengno problem :)14:52
tobberydbergI like their suggestion. Don't fit the need for the GAP document though, but I guess that can exist in google docs for now14:52
tobberydbergSuggestion: continue the discussion at the user-committee mailing list (please join in)?14:53
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zhipengsounds good :)14:53
tobberydbergok, lets do that! I will look into the template a bit more as well!14:54
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tobberydberg#topic Forum sessions Boston in May14:54
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tobberydbergWe got into the subject earlier...14:55
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tobberydbergDecided to have a separate session to brainstorm this...14:55
zhipengscientific wg has been working on it, i think we could borrow some ideas from it14:55
tobberydbergsounds good14:56
tobberydbergstarted to read a little bit of their as well14:56
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zhipengsame time14:56
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tobberydbergthats our start and you posted their =)14:56
tobberydbergGood! =)14:57
tobberydbergMonday 1400 UTC is my current suggestion14:57
tobberydbergsince we are short on time14:57
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tobberydbergTotally fine for all of you to get in there and start the brainstorming before that! I will! =)14:58
tobberydberg2 minutes left... Other topics? =)14:58
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zhipenglet's discuss more via email14:59
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seanhandleyzhipeng: Don't forget to add your name to the etherpad for this meeting14:59
tobberydbergI had a few, bot no time for them now...but one of them was a which from my side to have a more ongoing discussion between meeting at the mailing list14:59
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zhipengseanhandley good catch !15:00
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tobberydbergSo, time is up! I'll end it here! Thanks for today guys!15:00
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seanhandleythanks tobberydberg o/15:00
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rhochmuth#startmeeting monasca15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'monasca'15:00
rhochmuthwe are having a live session today15:01
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rhochmuthin lync15:02
rhochmuthi might not have update the date at the top of the agenda15:02
witekI have joined but cannot hear anything15:02
rhochmuthAgenda for Wednesday March 1 2017 (15:00 UTC)15:02
rhochmuth1.Presentation: Postgres integration with Monasca by Steve Simpson of StackHPC,
rhochmuth1.This conference will take place using Skype/Lync.15:02
rhochmuth2.The regularly scheduled meeting in IRC will not take place for this presentation.15:02
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eglute#startmeeting interopwg16:01
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egluteHello Everyone!16:01
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eglute#topic agenda16:02
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egluteplease add/update as needed16:02
eglute#topic PTG follow up16:03
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egluteThanks everyone that came to PTG, we had some great discussions and lots of work that needs to be done as a result16:03
eglutewe have a few action items from PTG, but I don't think they are ready to go over yet16:05
eglutewe talked about Vertical program pilot: NFV16:05
eglutemarkvoelker would you give a summary of that?16:06
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eglute#chair markvoelker hogepodge16:06
markvoelkerSure.  I put some notes in the pad, but in a nutshell we're using NFV as a pilot for developing "vertical" or "use case specific" programs since it's a well-established use case for OpenStack with particular requirements16:06
openstackCurrent chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker16:06
markvoelkerWe had some folks from the telco side of the house attend the PTG and talked through a few things, and we're working with OPNFV to start picking through requirements16:07
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markvoelkerThe general idea is that we should be able to draw up an initial guideline around the 2016.08 timeframe16:07
markvoelkerMost of what we did in ATL was brainstorming and knowledge sharing, but I'll start putting together some structure in the next couple of weeks16:08
eglutethere was definetly a lot of interest in it.16:08
eglutethank you markvoelker16:09
markvoelkerMeanwhile, Jose from OPNFV is starting to pick through tests to see what might be reusable, and has added 2016.08 tests to functest.16:09
markvoelkerSo: stay tuned. =)16:09
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eglutedoes anyone have questions about NFV + openstack?16:09
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eglute#topic Add-on programs pilot16:11
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eglutewe also talked about Add-on programs pilot, markvoelker would you give a brief summary?16:11
markvoelkerThe basic idea here is that even though some projects haven't reached wide enough deployment to be included in the existing Powered program, people that do deploy them still have an interest in interop16:13
hogepodgeI had a chance to speak to several projects at the PTG.16:13
markvoelkerThe idea behind add-on programs is that a product (e.g. a distro, public cloud, appliance, etc) could get the "OpenStack Powered" mark and additional "add on" badges showing what projects in addition to the core ones it supports16:13
markvoelkerThose "Add-on" projects would help define guidelines laying out what interoperability means for them, similar to how we do the guidelines for the Powered programs16:14
markvoelkerWe think it's best to start with a handful of "pilot projects" for this and open it up wider once we get the structure nailed down16:14
markvoelkerThe projects we talked about piloting with are Heat, Ceilometer, Trove, and Designate16:15
markvoelker(I know I talked with the Trove/Designate PTL's and they're certainly interested)16:15
markvoelkerhogepodge is going to play point on getting add-on programs off the ground.16:15
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eglutethank you markvoelker!16:15
hogepodgeCeilometer, sadly is likely off the table. They deprecated their API.16:16
eglutehogepodge is that still the case? what is their plan?16:16
hogepodgeWe could look at some of the adjacent programs, but they're focusing on making a performant backend that other reporting tools can plug in to16:16
zhipengHeat would be a good choice16:17
hogepodgeHeat is excited, will draw up their plans. They're going to look into how to test that specific components exist within a cluster.16:17
hogepodgeDesignate is also excited, they say coming up with a set of apis will be no problem.16:17
hogepodgeTrove will also be participating.16:18
eglutei am excited about DNS16:18
hogepodgeOverall I think it's a good group to start with, and we have a good amount of buy in.16:18
eglutei think trove and heat are also great16:18
eglutetoo bad ceilometer is off the table16:18
eglutebut 3 is a good pilot to start with16:19
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hogepodgeI asked the teams for a list of capabilities and tests to cover them, and I'll work them into the new schema once it's ready. I didn't want to burden them right now with an incomplete format.16:20
egluteany other comments on PTG?16:20
hogepodgeI'll pop into their meetings from time to time to remind them.16:20
eglutethank you hogepodge16:21
eglute#topic 2017.08 Guideline16:21
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egluteit is that time again! Time to start identifying new capabilities16:21
egluteWe need a couple volunteers to help with scoring16:22
markvoelkerWe had a few folks sign up to start scoring/contacting PTL's in Atlanta, but we need more16:22
markvoelker(see etherpad)16:22
markvoelkerAnyone want to tackle Keystone and/or Nova?16:22
luzCI'll keystone16:23
markvoelkerthanks luzC16:23
eglutethank you luzC!16:23
egluteany takers for nova?16:23
luzCit will be my first time scoring... I might ask a lot16:23
egluteluzC please do!16:23
egluteok, we still need some volunteers for Nova... will ask in our channel later, maybe we will get takers that way16:25
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egluteanything else on the new guideline?16:26
eglute#topic Flag tests that require second set of user credentials16:26
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egluteAI from PTG: Chris to work on refactoring in the next week or so.16:27
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eglutelooks like it also needs bugs filed for reworking the tests?16:28
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eglutehogepodge i am guessing you hadn't had a chance to take a look at this after PTG?16:29
hogepodgenot yet16:30
eglutecool, next topic then16:30
eglute#topic Name change16:30
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eglutemarkvoelker i think this one is you mostly16:31
markvoelkerYeah, not much to tell here.  The governance patch merged, the infra one is sitting in the queue.  We didn't really expect much action there until after the PTG, so we'll check in again soon16:31
eglutethanks for submiting #link
markvoelkerOne note on bug tracking though:16:31
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markvoelkerOne of our outstanding items was either to move bugs to a new project in Launchpad or migrate to Storyboard16:32
markvoelkerWe have an *very* low count, so there's not much work either way.16:32
markvoelkerAt the PTG we had a quick talk and spoke with diablo_rojo and decided we'll just take advantage of that and move to storyboard16:32
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eglutethats right16:32
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egluteso what do we need to do for storyboard?16:33
eglutejust create one?16:33
markvoelkereglute: there are some scripts and things to migrate projects.  I think (?) hogepodge was going to work with diablo_rojo on figuring out what needs doing.16:34
eglutesounds good to me.16:34
hogepodgeI think that refstack made the leap, no? catherineD16:35
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catherineDhogepodge: not yet ... we are still with launchpad16:35
diablo_rojomarkvoelker, yep that was the plan :) See if there is anything SB is missing that you guys need so I can talk to the other SB devs to get it implemented.16:36
hogepodgecatherineD: heh, the refstack room topic says you're on storyboard. must be from last time :-D16:36
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catherineDhogepodge: yea ..16:36
luzCthe idea will be to close the queue on launchpad right? it would be bad to have launchpad and storyboard at the same time... or how transition looks like?16:37
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catherineDluzC: that is RefStack's plan ...16:37
markvoelkerluzC: TBD by hogepodge, but yes, the idea is to drop LP.16:37
luzCcatherineD markvoelker cool, get it :)16:38
eglutecool, thank you hogepodge and diablo_rojo on working on this16:38
eglutehogepodge let us know when you are ready to move us :)16:39
egluteanything else on name change?16:39
eglute#topic New components/add-on programs16:39
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eglutei think we already talked some about it.16:40
markvoelkerWe already covered the basics here, but we did want to mention that both of those programs rely on schema 2.016:40
markvoelkerWhich we also discussed in ATL last week. =)16:40
egluteyup, new schema patch is here:
eglutefor those that havent looked yet16:41
markvoelkerBasically we think the basics look good, but we discussed some simplifications.  I volunteered to try to pen those into a patch, which I'll try to do this week16:41
eglutethank you markvoelker!16:41
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markvoelkerI'll also add in some visual/written explanations if possible it's easy to wrap our collective heads around16:41
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eglutethat would be great, thanks16:42
markvoelkerOne other open point was metadata tags16:42
markvoelkerWe like that we have an open list (e.g. we don't need to iterate on the schema to add new metadata tags)16:42
markvoelkerBut we also know RefStack (et al) are going to need to use some specific tags16:42
markvoelkerSo those probably deserve some kind of formal lifecycle16:42
catherineDmarkvoelker: ++16:43
markvoelkerI think we generally agreed on the need to formalize those, but I don't think we actually gave an AI to anyone to start hammering on it?16:43
eglutei dont think so16:43
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eglutemarkvoelker can you include them as part of schema 2.0 patch?16:44
catherineDmarkvoelker: I can take that at least from RefStack's usage16:44
catherineDto identify the meta data that RefStack needs16:45
markvoelkerLet's have catherineD take a crack at identifying required tags first...I'm frankly not going to have time to do all that this week. =)16:45
* markvoelker has a bit on his plate and is traveling internationally next week16:45
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eglutethank you catherineD and markvoelker16:46
egluteare there any other comments on this topic?16:46
egluteif not, last topic of the day:16:47
eglute#topic No meeting next week16:47
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eglutethere is a board meeting next week and markvoelker is traveling. so no meeting next week.16:47
eglutebut if you want to help with any interop action items, let us know :)16:47
eglute#topic open discussion16:48
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egluteanything else for this meeting?16:48
eglutein that case, we can end early.16:48
eglutethanks everyone!16:48
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dansmith#startmeeting nova_cells17:01
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dansmithHeh, sorry, got distracted17:02
dtpno prob17:02
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dansmith#topic testing/bugs17:02
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dansmithBefore we get to v2, anyone aware of any failings with v1 or anything like that?17:03
dansmithI know that mriedem fixed an issue with a re-enabled test that was breaking v1 for a bit, but that's long since fixed17:03
melwitttempest job failings, no17:03
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melwittfailings in general, yes17:03
dansmithba dum pish17:03
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dansmithokay, then on to v2 stuff... I have a patch up to make devstack able to create multiple cells for the multinode jobs17:04
dansmithI'm working through the failures now, but it does get pretty far17:04
dansmithlocally I can do normal stuff with a good amount of success17:05
dansmithI have a stack of patches up to address non-cell-aware things, and a bunch of it landed last week at the ptg17:05
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dansmithSo the plan is to get that fixed up enough to merge that into devstack so we're actually testing with multiple cells,17:05
dansmithand then we can move on to improving some of the performance-y things we know we need to do17:06
dansmithanything else on testing/bugs?17:06
dansmitha'ight then17:07
dansmith#topic open reviews17:07
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dansmithSo obviously the above are open and *begging* for reviews17:07
dansmithdtp: you still have your console thing open.. is that still healthy and good to look at?17:07
dtpseems ok, yep17:07
dansmithokay cool17:07
dansmithmelwitt: quota things17:08
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melwittsame patches are still up, I have a couple of todos on the top patch still before it's ready17:08
melwittI'll ping people when it's done17:09
dansmithokay what of those are dependent on placement changes?17:09
dansmithor is that just to insulate us from cell death?17:09
melwittwell, I had thought we would go ahead with what I have now and have a gap with a cell being down, until the placement stuff lands later this cycle17:10
dansmithyeah, I just forgot if the placement stuff was just for the cell death part or if we'd just do that from the outset, so, cool17:10
melwittthe todos I have are to 1) do the recheck quota after object create 2) change from counting instance.flavor.vcpus/memory_mb to instance.vcpus/memory_mb17:10
bauzasmelwitt: what is blocking you ?17:10
melwittbauzas: nothing blocking17:11
bauzasOkay I thought so17:11
dansmithany other open reviews17:11
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dansmith#topic open discussion17:13
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dansmithso we had a ptg17:13
dansmiththe etherpad for that is ...17:13
dansmithdtp: were you there?17:13
dtpno, sorry i missed y'all17:13
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dansmithanything else for open discussion?17:14
dtpi'll look over your changes17:15
dtpand at some point after that i'll need a new assignment17:15
dtpso i guess i'll just touch base w/ you and melwitt at that time17:15
dansmithdtp: or just steal something :)17:15
dansmithbut okay, I'll try to be thinking of stuff17:15
melwittthere's a lot of make-cells-aware stuff that needs doing right?17:16
dansmithmelwitt: potentially, yeah, but it's a bit hard to discover in parallel it seems17:17
dansmithbut yeah,17:17
dansmithdtp: if you pull down my patches, get it running, and then try to find some weirdo corner api that fails with this arrangement, that'd be a great one17:17
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dtpin devstack you mean?17:17
dansmithdtp: poke at it until you find something that fails17:17
dansmithcool, anything else?17:18
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robcresswell#startmeeting horizon20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  1 20:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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robcresswellHey everyone20:01
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robcresswellSo, announcements and such20:01
robcresswellI sent out a couple emails this week, one about the Pike PTG and another about single core approval for patches20:01
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robcresswellUrgh seems like the thread tracking is messed up. Not sure why20:03
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robcresswellThats the PTG Summary20:04
robcresswelland thats the single core approval mail20:04
robcresswellGot there in the end :)20:04
robcresswellThanks everyone for attending the PTG btw, was good to catch up and get organised20:04
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r1chardj0n3shasn't been any response to the single-core email, which I find interesting20:05
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robcresswellWe've got a nicely organised blueprint list now20:05
robcresswellargh, tired.20:05
robcresswellWe'll be using this in place of the usual priorities etherpad20:06
r1chardj0n3sadding "/pike" on the end is also useful, I find:20:06
robcresswellI'll be reviewing anything on there over the other patches to make sure we stay focused20:06
robcresswellSo please try to keep on top of these blueprints, everyone. Lets make it a productive cycle.20:07
r1chardj0n3sI've been doing some maintenance on the high/medium priority BP whiteboards (as part of finding patches to review) and they're a little more up to date now (adding MERGED/ABANDONED)20:07
robcresswellOn a side note, they've already announced the summit after Sydney will be back in Vancouver
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betherlyGosh that's fast announcement! Haven't even had Boston yet20:09
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robcresswellI don't have much to say for this meeting, having done all of my talking last week. As we progress, I'll be asking for status updates on the prioritised blueprints so we can check people are getting reviews20:09
robcresswellThe agenda is empty ( so we can move to open discussion20:10
robcresswellWould it help if the agenda was in an etherpad format? Is the wiki a blocker?20:10
robcresswellOr is everyone just quiet these days :)20:10
r1chardj0n3srobcresswell: I found that people added stuff to the wiki just fine, when they needed to20:11
r1chardj0n3sthe meeting reminder email seemed to spur folks to do that sometimes20:11
betherlyYe I think either works :) whatever suits you better I guess20:11
robcresswellI'll leave it as a wiki then20:11
david-lyleis the wiki still blocking new users?20:11
robcresswellr1chardj0n3s: Sure, I can keep those up20:11
robcresswelldavid-lyle: No idea20:12
r1chardj0n3sit's just tied to the LP login, so should be open to all20:12
david-lyleit wasn't for some time20:12
betherlyI can look into that as I know some new contributors. I'll let you know if they can access it.20:12
robcresswellgreat, thanks betherly20:13
robcresswell#topic Open Discussion20:13
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david-lyler1chardj0n3s: there was a spamming issue20:13
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r1chardj0n3sah the old spamming the wiki funtimes20:13
robcresswellSo if anyone has any general questions, blueprints etc, nows the time to ask20:14
r1chardj0n3sright, so Rob, I'm still trying to decode your comment on ;-)20:14
robcresswellRight. In your original patch, you broke up all the code and added a new Volume panel group under the Admin nav20:14
robcresswellAll I was saying was that this highlights a need to break up admin, since it has something like 10+ panels under an ambiguous "System" group20:15
r1chardj0n3sYes, I agree on that20:15
robcresswellSo I was just saying, instead of adding one new group in your patch, and then doing the rest in a new bp, just add your content to "System" so its consistent, and then afterwards, we can reorg all of the Admin nav in a single blueprint20:15
robcresswellthat keeps the patch logic and release notes separate.20:16
betherlySo I'm wondering as well. Is there up to date documentation re creating angular panels? The techniques for plugins are a bit different and I'm not sure how to create the tables properly. The documentation for horizon dashboards seems to represent the older techniques but maybe I'm wrong?20:16
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robcresswellOtherwise you end up with a situation where you add a release note where you've added a new panel group, and then you've another where you've moved them around a bunch. It was literally just asking for a one line change on your enabled files20:16
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robcresswellBut you interpreted that as me saying "dont do the admin work at all" :)20:17
r1chardj0n3srobcresswell: I'm not sure I understand why I shouldn't add the new volume group in the same patch that splits out the panels, since it's such a small amount of code to add the new group20:17
r1chardj0n3sI have a separate two patches which do the admin reorganisation, including the new panel group20:17
robcresswellr1chardj0n3s: Because if the second effort ends up changing the numerical ordering again, its annoying for git history and release notes to follow.20:17
robcresswellLike if we add Admin -> Instances, then we end up reorganising again20:18
robcresswellSo I was just saying keep those two efforts distinct20:18
robcresswellbetherly: One moment :)20:18
r1chardj0n3swait, so you don't want me to do the volume panel group until we reorganise *all* of admin?20:18
robcresswellyes, that20:18
betherlyrobcresswell: of course! Sorry didn't mean to interrupt discussion :) just dropped it in for as and when20:18
robcresswellJust put the panels under System *for now* and then we can reorganise it all under the scope of one "reorg admin nav" bp20:19
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r1chardj0n3soh, OK I guess20:19
robcresswellrather than "split out volumes and start to change the admin nav" as one bp and then "oh and move some more panel groups around and rename the volumes enabled file again" as a second bp20:19
robcresswellIts been kinda blown out of proportion because of my inability to explain myself :(20:20
robcresswellBut my original comment was really "yeah this is great and works, but just change this one line back to system until we can decide how to organise them all"20:21
r1chardj0n3sno, I get what you're aiming for now. I don't know that I quite see the point, but I'm happy to toe the party line :-)20:21
ducttape_I'd think doing the nav layout first is best.20:21
robcresswellducttape_: dont confuse things20:21
r1chardj0n3sohai ducttape_20:21
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robcresswellall the volumes work is already done anyway20:21
robcresswellI've been reviewing it, so should be able to merge it this week20:21
ducttape_k.  nevermind.  don't want to delay betherly20:21
robcresswellbetherly: o/20:21
robcresswellfire away20:22
lucasxuo/ can I ask something ?20:22
robcresswellbetherly: Are you referring to ?20:23
robcresswelllucasxu: One moment, just discussing docs with betherly, then absolutely :)20:23
betherlyso I was just asking about panel work based on the qos panel I'm working on. I'm struggling with where to put some of the static files as it seems to change per panel and then also developing the angular tables20:23
betherlyso that documentation you linked to seems pretty specific to plugins20:24
robcresswell this stuff is probably "most correct"20:24
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robcresswellespecially the images work20:24
betherlySo this is where I started
robcresswellI know r1chardj0n3s has his swift panel and the new LI are still in a weird other path20:24
betherlyAh perfect thank you20:25
betherlyrobcresswell: would you mind if I pinged you in the morning to take a look at where I've placed things?20:25
robcresswellbetherly: Sure, no problem20:25
betherlythanks so much!20:25
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robcresswellThough, ping in the Horizon IRC to keep the discussion public for others.20:25
robcresswellThat way more people can learn20:25
betherlysure thing20:25
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ducttape_and spread confusion.  we do that too20:26
robcresswellr1chardj0n3s: Didn't you document all the registry stuff a while back?20:26
lcastell+1 ducttape_20:26
r1chardj0n3srobcresswell:yes, I did a whole lotta work on the in-code docs20:26
robcresswellah awesome20:27
r1chardj0n3swe're still not extracting those to HTML :/20:27
robcresswellWell, thats a separate issue20:27
robcresswelllucasxu: You had a question?20:27
betherlynice r1chardj0n3s !!!20:27
lucasxuThanks! So currently the way for me to do the code review is to use a devstack, which i pull code from the gerrit and test. Is this the best way to do the code review?20:27
lucasxurobcresswell: yes ;)20:27
betherlylucasxu: that's how I test it20:28
betherlygit review -d is your friend20:28
robcresswelllucasxu: Thats the best way to get started, yeah20:28
lucasxubetherly: great! thanks!20:28
lucasxurobcresswell: thank you :) trying to test some angular code20:28
robcresswellonce you're a bit more familiar, I tend to run with the latest stable branch devstack on a server somewhere, and then a local horizon20:29
ducttape_if you can find 1000 spare servers, you can also use this as your horizon backend20:29
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betherlyrobcresswell: ++ to stable branch - devstack master is far from stable :'D20:29
lucasxuhmm, sure. and connect the local horizon to the keystone in that devstack?20:29
robcresswelllucasxu: Yup20:30
lucasxuhah, if I could20:30
r1chardj0n3slucasxu: yep - that's how I run things20:30
lucasxur1chardj0n3s: thanks, glad that im on the right track!20:30
ducttape_there is only one config setting to point to where keystone auth url is, then you are good to switch to any openstack deployment20:30
robcresswellThere's a few useful bits and pieces to know about too, like understanding virtualenv and the compression settings in Horizon20:31
robcresswellSometimes people don't know about them and end up doing things like restarting apache every time they change a line of JS20:31
lucasxuyeah, and I believe currently horizon only depends on keystone now. so it would be really easy for me just set it up20:31
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robcresswelllucasxu: Yeah, you can disable devstacks horizon too to speed up the build. Although, if its on a remote system it shouldnt fall over that often.20:32
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ducttape_if you don't use devstack, you can just checkout the horizon repo and go20:33
betherlysnapshots before the build are useful to have a return to point20:34
lucasxurobcresswell: nice. yeah, it would be really useful to know the compression settings and virtualenv. I have been trying them20:34
* betherly learnt this the hard way :D20:34
lucasxurobcresswell: sure. thanks for the suggestion :)20:34
robcresswellducttape_: Ha yep20:34
lucasxuducttape_: eventually i will do that :)20:35
lucasxubetherly: thanks :D20:35
robcresswelllucasxu: and
robcresswellThose are probably the two most useful things to be able to toggle.20:36
ducttape_plus collectstatic is also needed, its around the same place in django docs20:36
ducttape_collectstatic first, then compress if needed20:36
robcresswellYeah, if you run with COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True, you'll need to run collectstatic and compress20:37
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lucasxugreat, Thanks guys. that's really helpful!20:37
robcresswelltox -e manage -- collectstatic -c and tox -e manage -- compress20:37
robcresswellthen you can do tox -e manage -- runserver and away you go20:38
robcresswelllucasxu: Sure, ping any time if you need help20:38
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r1chardj0n3srobcresswell: "tox -e runserver" also works20:38
lucasxuyes, I saw that in the doc and there was a typo in 'collectstatic' lol20:38
robcresswelllucasxu: I hope you proposed a patch...20:39
r1chardj0n3sducttape_: no, you cannot have it work easily!20:39
robcresswellducttape_: No, run tests is dead20:39
robcresswellI cannot wait to remove it20:39
r1chardj0n3srobcresswell: it's already merged, IIRC ;-)20:39
lucasxurobcresswell: yes and richard merged it20:39
david-lylerobcresswell: watch it20:39
ducttape_merely a flesh wound20:39
robcresswellIts not merged20:39
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robcresswellcant remove it till queens iirc.20:40
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robcresswellotherwise we arent following stable policy20:40
betherlydavid-lyle: :'D20:40
david-lyleI can't learn new things20:40
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ducttape_fun fact:  this is a photo of david-lyle and I -
* betherly needs to rewrite that part of my horizon blog post20:41
robcresswellbetherly: About david and eric being grumpy?20:41
david-lyleyou couldn't have gotten that part wrong20:42
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betherlyrobcresswell: about tox rather than runserver - but yes remind me to add that too ;)20:42
robcresswelltox is the future20:42
david-lylehelp us all20:42
betherlyrobcresswell: woot20:42
robcresswellany other questions?20:43
david-lylewhy do you hate us?20:43
robcresswellUs? Its not a general thing, its very targeted20:43
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ducttape_one more thing for david-lyle and I -
* ducttape_ is pretty sure I am not invited anymore20:45
betherlynow having to explain to my boyfriend why I'm laughing out loud at my screen20:45
robcresswellOkay, we can call it here20:46
robcresswellThanks everyone20:46
betherlycheers all!20:46
david-lyleglad we resolved to keep run_tests.sh20:46
david-lylegood meeting20:46
betherlydavid-lyle: nice insert last minute ;)20:46
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betherlydavid-lyle: hindsight. Next time!20:47
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