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| soichi | hi | 05:30 |
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| soichi | #startmeeting taas | 05:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 1 05:31:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is soichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:31 |
| kaz | h | 05:31 |
| yamamoto | hi | 05:31 |
| kaz | hi | 05:31 |
| soichi | hi | 05:31 |
| anil_rao | Hi | 05:31 |
| soichi | reedip_ ? | 05:31 |
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| soichi | #topic Work items to get merged into Neutron Stadium | 05:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Work items to get merged into Neutron Stadium (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:32 | |
| anil_rao | did you all attend the PTG | 05:32 |
| soichi | i think attendees were yamamoto, reedip, and I. | 05:33 |
| reedip_ | hi | 05:34 |
| anil_rao | Anything interesting to report w.r.t. TaaS? | 05:34 |
| soichi | reedip_: hi | 05:34 |
| soichi | anil_rao: "In Pike , Tap-as-a-Service would like to target inclusion in Neutron Stadium" | 05:35 |
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| soichi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike-final | 05:35 |
| soichi | line 92 | 05:36 |
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| anil_rao | Great! :-) | 05:36 |
| anil_rao | I think the most important thing for us is to get the failure/error situations handled. I'll work on that. | 05:38 |
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| anil_rao | Can we discuss the things in this space that we should address. inputs anyone? | 05:39 |
| soichi | reedip_: could you act as host for today's agenda? | 05:39 |
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| anil_rao | reedip is not responding... must be a connection issue ... | 05:41 |
| reedip_ | Hi | 05:42 |
| reedip_ | sorry I was busy on another issue | 05:42 |
| soichi | i think there are work items | 05:42 |
| reedip_ | we can go through the TaaS wiki first | 05:43 |
| reedip_ | I updated some things in that Wiki | 05:43 |
| soichi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike-final | 05:43 |
| soichi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/taas | 05:43 |
| reedip_ | I think most of us have already gone through the items | 05:44 |
| reedip_ | for governance | 05:45 |
| reedip_ | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/stadium/governance.html#when-is-a-project-considered-part-of-the-stadium | 05:45 |
| reedip_ | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/stadium/governance.html#checklist | 05:45 |
| reedip_ | I discussed with Armando and he was very helpful | 05:45 |
| reedip_ | TL;DR : We need to conform with the current checklist for Governance | 05:45 |
| reedip_ | Including OSC implementations and Neutron-Lib migrations | 05:46 |
| anil_rao | I can 1) look into the error handling and 2) investigate using the L2 extension framework for TaaS. | 05:46 |
| reedip_ | Once done, we need to drop a mail to the Neutron Team , explaining why we can qualify for Governance project | 05:46 |
| reedip_ | L2 extension is also a part of our Governance selection | 05:46 |
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| anil_rao | reedip_: Good to know. | 05:47 |
| reedip_ | anil_rao : I have a WIP patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401258/ | 05:47 |
| reedip_ | we can take it up together if you have time | 05:47 |
| reedip_ | I made a checklist earlier for Governance | 05:48 |
| anil_rao | reedip_: Sounds good. Let me review your patch in detail and we'll go from there. :-) | 05:48 |
| soichi | reedip_: +1 for making a checklist for Governance | 05:49 |
| reedip_ | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SQyOCU1qut1mPZk0KGdz_c0j2suAq6-6_LL0yowl2NQ/edit#gid=0 | 05:49 |
| reedip_ | Please see if it is visible | 05:49 |
| reedip_ | I will add more things in it | 05:49 |
| reedip_ | socihi : please add an action item for me in the Meeting Logs | 05:49 |
| reedip_ | Moving Forward | 05:51 |
| reedip_ | manikBindlish and I tried to install and run TaaS on Newton | 05:51 |
| anil_rao | reedip_: is this a production setup or DevStack? | 05:52 |
| reedip_ | anil_rao : this was more of a production based setup , using Packstack Newton/Mitaka and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron-taas/0.0.0+git20160926.675af77-0ubuntu1 | 05:52 |
| soichi | #action reedip_: made a checklist earlier for Governance | 05:53 |
| anil_rao | reedip_: I saw the document you attached in your email today. The install instructions for Ubuntu look extremely painful. Why do we need so much stuff? | 05:53 |
| reedip_ | anil_rao : That was the mismatch between the Upstream package created for TaaS and packstack/stable deployment of Mitaka/Newton | 05:54 |
| manikBindlish | Last neutron version(for Newton release) was release on 3rd Dec, 2016 but the taas package was old from this date. | 05:54 |
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| reedip_ | we put up the question on https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron-taas/+question/460600 | 05:55 |
| reedip_ | No updates on that yet | 05:55 |
| anil_rao | Perhaps we should target Ocata for this kind of work. What do you think? | 05:56 |
| reedip_ | anil_rao : The latest package for TaaS lies between newton and ocata ( release in Mid December) | 05:56 |
| reedip_ | I think we would face similar issue again | 05:57 |
| reedip_ | anil_rao : BTW we know how painful it was... took a lot from us :D | 05:57 |
| anil_rao | We can request the Ubuntu folks to build a new version of TaaS. Mitaka seems old by comparison. | 05:57 |
| anil_rao | If we are planning to get into the Statdium in Pica that Ocata is our best bet for the moment IMHO. | 05:58 |
| anil_rao | that --> then | 05:58 |
| reedip_ | Pica -> pike | 05:58 |
| anil_rao | yup | 05:58 |
| reedip_ | yeah, sure. I have raised the bug for the same reason | 05:58 |
| soichi | i think so, too | 05:58 |
| reedip_ | Moving forward , if there is nothing to add in this for now ..... | 05:59 |
| reedip_ | In PTG I discussed with Igor for the Common Classifier Model. The updated spec is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993 | 06:00 |
| soichi | #topic Important Reviews: | 06:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Important Reviews: (Meeting topic: taas)" | 06:00 | |
| reedip_ | We can review it from the TaaS perspective to identify what are the things we need in the common classifier model | 06:00 |
| anil_rao | +1 | 06:01 |
| reedip_ | I have started participating in thier meetings from TaaS and FwaaS perspective | 06:01 |
| reedip_ | davidsha would share the PoC for CC Model soon | 06:02 |
| reedip_ | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-02-28-17.00.html | 06:02 |
| reedip_ | anil_rao, kaz, soichi : Please go through the review , so that anything missing can be added to the Spec | 06:03 |
| anil_rao | reedip_: Will do. | 06:03 |
| kaz | reedip_: sure | 06:03 |
| soichi | i will take a look it | 06:03 |
| reedip_ | thanks.... | 06:04 |
| reedip_ | the next review item is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320439/ : ajo's L2 extension | 06:04 |
| reedip_ | anil_rao : I think this was the review you were discussing in the last meeting before the PTG | 06:05 |
| anil_rao | I have reviewed this. It is what we need to get past the VLAN limitation that caused me to comment out some code last year in the TaaS Driver. | 06:06 |
| vnyyad | +1 | 06:06 |
| reedip_ | anil_rao : Ok, I will also view it tomorrow | 06:06 |
| reedip_ | I have no more topics to discuss | 06:07 |
| manikBindlish | I have a question | 06:07 |
| anil_rao | Yes? | 06:07 |
| manikBindlish | I sent a mail on devstack mailing list yesterday | 06:08 |
| manikBindlish | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/113034.html | 06:08 |
| manikBindlish | instances are pinging but packets are not captured, so how to debug the issue? | 06:09 |
| manikBindlish | as yamamoto san suggested to disable security group, i have tried that but still the problem exist | 06:09 |
| anil_rao | For the destination port you will need to disable port-security. | 06:10 |
| manikBindlish | security was disabled for both the ports | 06:10 |
| anil_rao | Not Security Groups but port-security. And only for the destination port. no change is required for the source ports. | 06:11 |
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| manikBindlish | hi anil_rao : So should I (a) Enable Port security in Source port or keep it disabled | 06:13 |
| manikBindlish | (b) I do not have any SG on Source or Dest Port. Is that ok? | 06:13 |
| manikBindlish | (c) How can I veiw the packet transfer from OVS Bridge ? Any suggestions on debugging TaaS? | 06:13 |
| anil_rao | The source port does not need any special action. Just leave it as is. It can have Security Groups set ... it does not matter. | 06:13 |
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| anil_rao | Using ovs-ofctl you can see the count of packets passing through the various OVS bridges for debugging. | 06:15 |
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| manikBindlish | Ok, I will use dump-flows on br-ex and br-tun and br-tap to see the flows and respond back on the ML | 06:18 |
| manikBindlish | anil_rao : hope that sounds ok ? | 06:18 |
| anil_rao | Also check in br-int to see if the capture is actually happening for the ports assocaited with the source and if the tap-service is delivering to the destination. | 06:19 |
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| manikBindlish | Ok | 06:19 |
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| soichi | I think you may get a hit for debugging from the presentation: https://www.openstack.org/videos/barcelona-2016/openstack-troubleshooting-so-simple-even-your-kids-can-do-it | 06:20 |
| soichi | they checks tap devices by using tcpdump | 06:21 |
| manikBindlish | ok, I can try by this | 06:21 |
| reedip_ | we can add this info in the docs I shared yesterday | 06:23 |
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| anil_rao | reedip_: I was meaning to ask ... what is that doc for? | 06:23 |
| reedip_ | it was discussed earlier to have a technical document for others, like users and developers to undertsand about taas, how it can be used etc. | 06:24 |
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| anil_rao | I thought we had already covered that in our different Summit presentations. Is there something that we haven't covered. | 06:25 |
| reedip_ | Debugging and recovery, for example. | 06:25 |
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| anil_rao | reedip_: Debugging IMO is more of a Neutron thing. Anyone familiar with debugging Neutron networks should be able to use the same techniques for debugging TaaS after one has studied the traffic flow path in TaaS. | 06:26 |
| anil_rao | Recovery we will handle by the stuff I am looking into for error case coverage. | 06:27 |
| anil_rao | we have big gaps in this area which makes TaaS unusable in a production environment. | 06:27 |
| anil_rao | I wanted to discuss this topic for the last two meetings but never get thetime. :-) | 06:28 |
| anil_rao | Perhaps next week. :) | 06:28 |
| vnyyad | ani_rao: let make it an agenda for next week | 06:28 |
| soichi | +1 | 06:28 |
| anil_rao | vnyyad: It is on the agenda for the last two meetings... | 06:29 |
| vnyyad | :) i mean lets just have it as the first item and stick to it :) | 06:30 |
| anil_rao | +1 | 06:30 |
| soichi | +1 | 06:30 |
| soichi | it looks run out of time | 06:30 |
| soichi | see you next week | 06:30 |
| anil_rao | Bye | 06:30 |
| yamamoto | bye | 06:30 |
| vnyyad | see you bye! | 06:30 |
| kaz | bye | 06:30 |
| soichi | #endmeeting | 06:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 1 06:30:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-03-01-05.31.html | 06:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-03-01-05.31.txt | 06:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-03-01-05.31.log.html | 06:31 |
| soichi | bye | 06:31 |
| reedip_ | bye | 06:31 |
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| tobberyd_ | So, who is here for the Public Cloud WG meeting? =) | 14:00 |
| seanhandley | o/ | 14:01 |
| yankcrime | hey tobberyd_ | 14:01 |
| yankcrime | o hai seanhandley | 14:01 |
| yankcrime | fancy seeing you here | 14:01 |
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| tobberydberg | Hi guys! Saw that my nick was changed again =) | 14:01 |
| tobberydberg | Is he 2 feet away IRL and 10 sek away here? ;-) | 14:02 |
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| tobberydberg | So, just the 3 of us right now... Lets wait a couple of minutes before we start... | 14:03 |
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| wondra | Hi! | 14:05 |
| tobberydberg | Hi! Welcome! | 14:05 |
| tobberydberg | Lets give it 3 more minutes and then we start | 14:08 |
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| tobberydberg | #startmeeting publiccloud-wg | 14:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 1 14:11:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tobberydberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:11 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:11 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'publiccloud_wg' | 14:11 |
| tobberydberg | We start! Please fill in your name at the participants area for this meeting at the etherpad! | 14:12 |
| tobberydberg | ....and you are all very welcome! =) | 14:13 |
| tobberydberg | #topic Reveiw last weeks agenda items (APs) | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reveiw last weeks agenda items (APs) (Meeting topic: publiccloud-wg)" | 14:13 | |
| tobberydberg | We have 2 APs here - first one is on me | 14:14 |
| tobberydberg | Tobias and others to setup an individual repo for the publiccloud-wg | 14:14 |
| yankcrime | i think i said i was going to help out with that | 14:14 |
| yankcrime | and then promptly did nothing about it whatsoever | 14:14 |
| tobberydberg | I guess you did! =) | 14:15 |
| yankcrime | so er, apologies for at least not pinging you an email | 14:15 |
| tobberydberg | Don't know it you saw the discussion in the maling list yesterday? | 14:15 |
| yankcrime | ah, no | 14:15 |
| yankcrime | on openstack-operators? | 14:15 |
| tobberydberg | No worries! | 14:15 |
| yankcrime | i was in a meeting offsite for most of yesterday and so pretty much out of the loop | 14:15 |
| tobberydberg | user-committee | 14:16 |
| yankcrime | ah, i don't subscribe to that one | 14:16 |
| tobberydberg | Short summary of that... | 14:17 |
| tobberydberg | They question us of why we need a new one for our use cases | 14:17 |
| tobberydberg | Since the openstack-user-stories exist already | 14:18 |
| tobberydberg | I know we used the Product WG template for that as a base, but changed it. Not sure it is a must that they are the same for the stories exist in the same repo | 14:19 |
| tobberydberg | I can agree on the good parts of having the same repo and template | 14:19 |
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| tobberydberg | Another reason we had for having our own repo was to have a separate review process within the teams area before "maybe" merge them into "openstack-user-stories" | 14:20 |
| tobberydberg | Which I still believe is a good approach, but maybe not a must | 14:21 |
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| tobberydberg | So, with that said...do you get the picture of the feedback from the list vs why we wanted our own repo? | 14:22 |
| tobberydberg | Or am I making a mess of it? =) | 14:23 |
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| tobberydberg | Before continue on that one, next AP is for zhipeng and to check deadline dates for the submission of forum topics | 14:27 |
| yankcrime | sorry tobberydberg, $work beckons - i'll be back asap :( | 14:27 |
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| tobberydberg | I can cover for zhipeng here and say that yesterday was the official start for the "brainstorming" about topics. Please follow the user-committee list to what is happening there, all session topics will be announced there | 14:29 |
| seanhandley | ok :-) | 14:30 |
| tobberydberg | So, deadline will be around the end of the month | 14:30 |
| tobberydberg | I suggest that we call out for a separate brainstorming meeting just to focus on that part. Thought about that? | 14:31 |
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| seanhandley | +1 tobberydberg | 14:32 |
| seanhandley | a focussed session just for that makes sense | 14:32 |
| seanhandley | and we're short on time | 14:32 |
| tobberydberg | Yes! | 14:32 |
| tobberydberg | Was hoping to get a good start for that during todays meeting, but since we are so few not much of that will happen | 14:33 |
| tobberydberg | Next week? | 14:33 |
| tobberydberg | early next week? | 14:33 |
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| tobberydberg | Monday at the 1400 UTC? | 14:35 |
| wondra | Fine here. | 14:36 |
| tobberydberg | good | 14:36 |
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| tobberydberg | #action tobberydberg to find time and meeting room, send out invitation to Forum Brainstorming Session | 14:37 |
| tobberydberg | #topic Report from PTG in Atlanta | 14:38 |
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| tobberydberg | That topic was for zhipeng to cover since he was our only representative at the PTG =) | 14:38 |
| tobberydberg | We had an extra meeting with the group - notes here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-atlanta-ptg | 14:39 |
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| tobberydberg | Nice to see that we did get some response from the Keystone team for a couple of the items in the GAP docusment | 14:40 |
| tobberydberg | *document* | 14:40 |
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| tobberydberg | Would love to se more of that! | 14:40 |
| tobberydberg | Added the comments from them to the GAP doc and added 2 columns - one where we can add related links to patches, specs etc etc | 14:41 |
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| tobberydberg | #topic Discuss "User story template" | 14:42 |
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| zhipeng | sorry i'm late | 14:42 |
| tobberydberg | I covered your topics for you ... hope I didn't lie to much =) | 14:42 |
| tobberydberg | So, template discussion | 14:43 |
| tobberydberg | we started that earlier in the meeting... | 14:43 |
| zhipeng | any more input on the template | 14:44 |
| tobberydberg | As I said we got questions about why not using the same template...and, if it doesn't fit our needs, make suggestions of how to change if to fit us better | 14:44 |
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| tobberydberg | I agree on your opinion zhipeng, that a separate repo would be nice in the star up phase, with hope of merge later on | 14:45 |
| tobberydberg | ...for the use cases... | 14:46 |
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| tobberydberg | But, I think that we should take their suggestion into consideration. | 14:47 |
| tobberydberg | What's the opinions about this? | 14:47 |
| zhipeng | yes of course that was my first thought as well | 14:48 |
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| tobberydberg | Considering the feedback - change back to that? | 14:50 |
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| tobberydberg | I will have to be honest and say that I will need read up about the details of the template | 14:51 |
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| zhipeng | no problem :) | 14:52 |
| tobberydberg | I like their suggestion. Don't fit the need for the GAP document though, but I guess that can exist in google docs for now | 14:52 |
| tobberydberg | Suggestion: continue the discussion at the user-committee mailing list (please join in)? | 14:53 |
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| zhipeng | sounds good :) | 14:53 |
| tobberydberg | ok, lets do that! I will look into the template a bit more as well! | 14:54 |
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| tobberydberg | #topic Forum sessions Boston in May | 14:54 |
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| tobberydberg | We got into the subject earlier... | 14:55 |
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| tobberydberg | Decided to have a separate session to brainstorm this... | 14:55 |
| zhipeng | scientific wg has been working on it, i think we could borrow some ideas from it | 14:55 |
| tobberydberg | sounds good | 14:56 |
| tobberydberg | started to read a little bit of their as well | 14:56 |
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| tobberydberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-boston-forum-session | 14:56 |
| zhipeng | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-scientific-wg | 14:56 |
| zhipeng | haha | 14:56 |
| zhipeng | same time | 14:56 |
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| tobberydberg | thats our start and you posted their =) | 14:56 |
| tobberydberg | Good! =) | 14:57 |
| tobberydberg | Monday 1400 UTC is my current suggestion | 14:57 |
| tobberydberg | since we are short on time | 14:57 |
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| tobberydberg | Totally fine for all of you to get in there and start the brainstorming before that! I will! =) | 14:58 |
| tobberydberg | 2 minutes left... Other topics? =) | 14:58 |
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| zhipeng | let's discuss more via email | 14:59 |
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| seanhandley | zhipeng: Don't forget to add your name to the etherpad for this meeting | 14:59 |
| tobberydberg | I had a few, bot no time for them now...but one of them was a which from my side to have a more ongoing discussion between meeting at the mailing list | 14:59 |
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| seanhandley | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/publiccloud-wg | 14:59 |
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| zhipeng | seanhandley good catch ! | 15:00 |
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| tobberydberg | So, time is up! I'll end it here! Thanks for today guys! | 15:00 |
| tobberydberg | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 1 15:00:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-03-01-14.11.html | 15:00 |
| seanhandley | thanks tobberydberg o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-03-01-14.11.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/publiccloud_wg/2017/publiccloud_wg.2017-03-01-14.11.log.html | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 1 15:00:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 15:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
| dhague | o/ | 15:00 |
| rbak | o/ | 15:01 |
| hosanai | o/ | 15:01 |
| witek | hi | 15:01 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:01 |
| sc | hi | 15:01 |
| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | we are having a live session today | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | in lync | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | skype | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | i might not have update the date at the top of the agenda | 15:02 |
| witek | I have joined but cannot hear anything | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | Agenda for Wednesday March 1 2017 (15:00 UTC) | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 1.Presentation: Postgres integration with Monasca by Steve Simpson of StackHPC, https://www.stackhpc.com/. | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 1.This conference will take place using Skype/Lync. | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 2.The regularly scheduled meeting in IRC will not take place for this presentation. | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | 15:02 | |
| rhochmuth | Start of Conference | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | ......................................................................................................................................... | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | Join online meetingJoin online meeting | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | https://join.ucrtc.hpe.com/meet/roland.hochmuth/DNNLL0TB | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | Join by Phone Join by Phone | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | +1-978-289-4114 (USA, Andover, MA)Â | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | +1-678-367-0003 (USA, Atlanta, GA)Â | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | +1-512-865-6123 (USA, Austin, TX)Â | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | +1-208-629-2920 (USA, Boise, ID)Â | 15:02 |
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| sc | I'm on my way | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:07 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 1 15:07:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-03-01-15.00.html | 15:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-03-01-15.00.txt | 15:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-03-01-15.00.log.html | 15:07 |
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| eglute | #startmeeting interopwg | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 1 16:01:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'interopwg' | 16:01 |
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| eglute | Hello Everyone! | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 16:01 |
| mguiney | hello! | 16:02 |
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| eglute | #topic agenda | 16:02 |
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| eglute | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRoble.14 | 16:02 |
| eglute | please add/update as needed | 16:02 |
| eglute | #topic PTG follow up | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG follow up (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:03 | |
| eglute | Thanks everyone that came to PTG, we had some great discussions and lots of work that needs to be done as a result | 16:03 |
| eglute | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/RefStackInteropWGAtlantaPTG | 16:04 |
| eglute | we have a few action items from PTG, but I don't think they are ready to go over yet | 16:05 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 16:05 |
| eglute | we talked about Vertical program pilot: NFV | 16:05 |
| eglute | markvoelker would you give a summary of that? | 16:06 |
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| eglute | #chair markvoelker hogepodge | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | Sure. I put some notes in the pad, but in a nutshell we're using NFV as a pilot for developing "vertical" or "use case specific" programs since it's a well-established use case for OpenStack with particular requirements | 16:06 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker | 16:06 |
| markvoelker | We had some folks from the telco side of the house attend the PTG and talked through a few things, and we're working with OPNFV to start picking through requirements | 16:07 |
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| zhipeng | o/ | 16:07 |
| luzC | o/ | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | The general idea is that we should be able to draw up an initial guideline around the 2016.08 timeframe | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | Most of what we did in ATL was brainstorming and knowledge sharing, but I'll start putting together some structure in the next couple of weeks | 16:08 |
| eglute | there was definetly a lot of interest in it. | 16:08 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker | 16:09 |
| markvoelker | Meanwhile, Jose from OPNFV is starting to pick through tests to see what might be reusable, and has added 2016.08 tests to functest. | 16:09 |
| markvoelker | So: stay tuned. =) | 16:09 |
| eglute | nice | 16:09 |
| * markvoelker ends summary | 16:09 | |
| eglute | does anyone have questions about NFV + openstack? | 16:09 |
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| eglute | #topic Add-on programs pilot | 16:11 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Add-on programs pilot (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:11 | |
| eglute | we also talked about Add-on programs pilot, markvoelker would you give a brief summary? | 16:11 |
| markvoelker | Sure | 16:12 |
| markvoelker | The basic idea here is that even though some projects haven't reached wide enough deployment to be included in the existing Powered program, people that do deploy them still have an interest in interop | 16:13 |
| hogepodge | I had a chance to speak to several projects at the PTG. | 16:13 |
| markvoelker | The idea behind add-on programs is that a product (e.g. a distro, public cloud, appliance, etc) could get the "OpenStack Powered" mark and additional "add on" badges showing what projects in addition to the core ones it supports | 16:13 |
| markvoelker | Those "Add-on" projects would help define guidelines laying out what interoperability means for them, similar to how we do the guidelines for the Powered programs | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | We think it's best to start with a handful of "pilot projects" for this and open it up wider once we get the structure nailed down | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | The projects we talked about piloting with are Heat, Ceilometer, Trove, and Designate | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | (I know I talked with the Trove/Designate PTL's and they're certainly interested) | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge is going to play point on getting add-on programs off the ground. | 16:15 |
| * markvoelker ends summary | 16:15 | |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker! | 16:15 |
| hogepodge | Ceilometer, sadly is likely off the table. They deprecated their API. | 16:16 |
| eglute | hogepodge is that still the case? what is their plan? | 16:16 |
| hogepodge | We could look at some of the adjacent programs, but they're focusing on making a performant backend that other reporting tools can plug in to | 16:16 |
| zhipeng | Heat would be a good choice | 16:17 |
| hogepodge | Heat is excited, will draw up their plans. They're going to look into how to test that specific components exist within a cluster. | 16:17 |
| hogepodge | Designate is also excited, they say coming up with a set of apis will be no problem. | 16:17 |
| hogepodge | Trove will also be participating. | 16:18 |
| eglute | i am excited about DNS | 16:18 |
| hogepodge | Overall I think it's a good group to start with, and we have a good amount of buy in. | 16:18 |
| eglute | i think trove and heat are also great | 16:18 |
| eglute | too bad ceilometer is off the table | 16:18 |
| eglute | but 3 is a good pilot to start with | 16:19 |
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| hogepodge | I asked the teams for a list of capabilities and tests to cover them, and I'll work them into the new schema once it's ready. I didn't want to burden them right now with an incomplete format. | 16:20 |
| eglute | any other comments on PTG? | 16:20 |
| hogepodge | I'll pop into their meetings from time to time to remind them. | 16:20 |
| eglute | thank you hogepodge | 16:21 |
| eglute | #topic 2017.08 Guideline | 16:21 |
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| eglute | it is that time again! Time to start identifying new capabilities | 16:21 |
| eglute | We need a couple volunteers to help with scoring | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | We had a few folks sign up to start scoring/contacting PTL's in Atlanta, but we need more | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | (see etherpad) | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | Anyone want to tackle Keystone and/or Nova? | 16:22 |
| luzC | I'll keystone | 16:23 |
| luzC | *take | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | thanks luzC | 16:23 |
| eglute | thank you luzC! | 16:23 |
| eglute | any takers for nova? | 16:23 |
| luzC | it will be my first time scoring... I might ask a lot | 16:23 |
| eglute | luzC please do! | 16:23 |
| eglute | ok, we still need some volunteers for Nova... will ask in our channel later, maybe we will get takers that way | 16:25 |
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| eglute | anything else on the new guideline? | 16:26 |
| eglute | #topic Flag tests that require second set of user credentials | 16:26 |
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| eglute | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428847/ | 16:26 |
| eglute | AI from PTG: Chris to work on refactoring in the next week or so. | 16:27 |
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| eglute | looks like it also needs bugs filed for reworking the tests? | 16:28 |
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| eglute | hogepodge i am guessing you hadn't had a chance to take a look at this after PTG? | 16:29 |
| hogepodge | not yet | 16:30 |
| eglute | cool, next topic then | 16:30 |
| eglute | #topic Name change | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Name change (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:30 | |
| eglute | markvoelker i think this one is you mostly | 16:31 |
| markvoelker | Yeah, not much to tell here. The governance patch merged, the infra one is sitting in the queue. We didn't really expect much action there until after the PTG, so we'll check in again soon | 16:31 |
| eglute | thanks for submiting #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433414/ | 16:31 |
| markvoelker | One note on bug tracking though: | 16:31 |
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| markvoelker | One of our outstanding items was either to move bugs to a new project in Launchpad or migrate to Storyboard | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | We have an *very* low count, so there's not much work either way. | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | At the PTG we had a quick talk and spoke with diablo_rojo and decided we'll just take advantage of that and move to storyboard | 16:32 |
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| eglute | thats right | 16:32 |
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| eglute | so what do we need to do for storyboard? | 16:33 |
| eglute | just create one? | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | eglute: there are some scripts and things to migrate projects. I think (?) hogepodge was going to work with diablo_rojo on figuring out what needs doing. | 16:34 |
| eglute | sounds good to me. | 16:34 |
| hogepodge | I think that refstack made the leap, no? catherineD | 16:35 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: not yet ... we are still with launchpad | 16:35 |
| diablo_rojo | markvoelker, yep that was the plan :) See if there is anything SB is missing that you guys need so I can talk to the other SB devs to get it implemented. | 16:36 |
| hogepodge | catherineD: heh, the refstack room topic says you're on storyboard. must be from last time :-D | 16:36 |
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| catherineD | hogepodge: yea .. | 16:36 |
| luzC | the idea will be to close the queue on launchpad right? it would be bad to have launchpad and storyboard at the same time... or how transition looks like? | 16:37 |
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| catherineD | luzC: that is RefStack's plan ... | 16:37 |
| markvoelker | luzC: TBD by hogepodge, but yes, the idea is to drop LP. | 16:37 |
| luzC | catherineD markvoelker cool, get it :) | 16:38 |
| eglute | cool, thank you hogepodge and diablo_rojo on working on this | 16:38 |
| hogepodge | +1 | 16:39 |
| eglute | hogepodge let us know when you are ready to move us :) | 16:39 |
| eglute | anything else on name change? | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | nope | 16:39 |
| eglute | #topic New components/add-on programs | 16:39 |
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| eglute | i think we already talked some about it. | 16:40 |
| markvoelker | We already covered the basics here, but we did want to mention that both of those programs rely on schema 2.0 | 16:40 |
| markvoelker | Which we also discussed in ATL last week. =) | 16:40 |
| eglute | yup, new schema patch is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430556/ | 16:40 |
| eglute | for those that havent looked yet | 16:41 |
| markvoelker | Basically we think the basics look good, but we discussed some simplifications. I volunteered to try to pen those into a patch, which I'll try to do this week | 16:41 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker! | 16:41 |
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| markvoelker | I'll also add in some visual/written explanations if possible it's easy to wrap our collective heads around | 16:41 |
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| eglute | that would be great, thanks | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | One other open point was metadata tags | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | We like that we have an open list (e.g. we don't need to iterate on the schema to add new metadata tags) | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | But we also know RefStack (et al) are going to need to use some specific tags | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | So those probably deserve some kind of formal lifecycle | 16:42 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: ++ | 16:43 |
| eglute | +1 | 16:43 |
| markvoelker | I think we generally agreed on the need to formalize those, but I don't think we actually gave an AI to anyone to start hammering on it? | 16:43 |
| eglute | i dont think so | 16:43 |
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| eglute | markvoelker can you include them as part of schema 2.0 patch? | 16:44 |
| catherineD | markvoelker: I can take that at least from RefStack's usage | 16:44 |
| catherineD | to identify the meta data that RefStack needs | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | Let's have catherineD take a crack at identifying required tags first...I'm frankly not going to have time to do all that this week. =) | 16:45 |
| * markvoelker has a bit on his plate and is traveling internationally next week | 16:45 | |
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| eglute | thank you catherineD and markvoelker | 16:46 |
| eglute | are there any other comments on this topic? | 16:46 |
| eglute | if not, last topic of the day: | 16:47 |
| eglute | #topic No meeting next week | 16:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "No meeting next week (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:47 | |
| eglute | there is a board meeting next week and markvoelker is traveling. so no meeting next week. | 16:47 |
| eglute | but if you want to help with any interop action items, let us know :) | 16:47 |
| eglute | #topic open discussion | 16:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:48 | |
| eglute | anything else for this meeting? | 16:48 |
| eglute | in that case, we can end early. | 16:48 |
| eglute | thanks everyone! | 16:48 |
| eglute | #endmeeting | 16:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:48 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 1 16:48:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-03-01-16.01.html | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-03-01-16.01.txt | 16:49 |
| catherineD | bye | 16:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-03-01-16.01.log.html | 16:49 |
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| dansmith | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 1 17:01:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dansmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:01 |
| dansmith | Heh, sorry, got distracted | 17:02 |
| dtp | no prob | 17:02 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:02 |
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| dansmith | #topic testing/bugs | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "testing/bugs (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 17:02 | |
| bauzas | \o | 17:02 |
| dansmith | Before we get to v2, anyone aware of any failings with v1 or anything like that? | 17:03 |
| dansmith | I know that mriedem fixed an issue with a re-enabled test that was breaking v1 for a bit, but that's long since fixed | 17:03 |
| melwitt | tempest job failings, no | 17:03 |
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| melwitt | failings in general, yes | 17:03 |
| dansmith | ba dum pish | 17:03 |
| melwitt | haha | 17:03 |
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| dansmith | okay, then on to v2 stuff... I have a patch up to make devstack able to create multiple cells for the multinode jobs | 17:04 |
| dansmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436094/ | 17:04 |
| bauzas | \o/ | 17:04 |
| dansmith | I'm working through the failures now, but it does get pretty far | 17:04 |
| dansmith | locally I can do normal stuff with a good amount of success | 17:05 |
| dansmith | I have a stack of patches up to address non-cell-aware things, and a bunch of it landed last week at the ptg | 17:05 |
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| dansmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:multi-cell-testing | 17:05 |
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| dansmith | So the plan is to get that fixed up enough to merge that into devstack so we're actually testing with multiple cells, | 17:05 |
| dansmith | and then we can move on to improving some of the performance-y things we know we need to do | 17:06 |
| dansmith | anything else on testing/bugs? | 17:06 |
| dansmith | a'ight then | 17:07 |
| dansmith | #topic open reviews | 17:07 |
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| dansmith | So obviously the above are open and *begging* for reviews | 17:07 |
| dansmith | dtp: you still have your console thing open.. is that still healthy and good to look at? | 17:07 |
| dtp | seems ok, yep | 17:07 |
| dansmith | okay cool | 17:07 |
| dansmith | melwitt: quota things | 17:08 |
| dansmith | ? | 17:08 |
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| melwitt | same patches are still up, I have a couple of todos on the top patch still before it's ready | 17:08 |
| melwitt | I'll ping people when it's done | 17:09 |
| dansmith | okay what of those are dependent on placement changes? | 17:09 |
| dansmith | or is that just to insulate us from cell death? | 17:09 |
| melwitt | well, I had thought we would go ahead with what I have now and have a gap with a cell being down, until the placement stuff lands later this cycle | 17:10 |
| dansmith | yeah, I just forgot if the placement stuff was just for the cell death part or if we'd just do that from the outset, so, cool | 17:10 |
| melwitt | the todos I have are to 1) do the recheck quota after object create 2) change from counting instance.flavor.vcpus/memory_mb to instance.vcpus/memory_mb | 17:10 |
| bauzas | melwitt: what is blocking you ? | 17:10 |
| melwitt | bauzas: nothing blocking | 17:11 |
| bauzas | Okay I thought so | 17:11 |
| dansmith | any other open reviews | 17:11 |
| dansmith | ? | 17:11 |
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| dansmith | #topic open discussion | 17:13 |
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| dansmith | so we had a ptg | 17:13 |
| dansmith | the etherpad for that is ... | 17:13 |
| dansmith | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-pike-cells | 17:13 |
| dansmith | dtp: were you there? | 17:13 |
| dtp | no, sorry i missed y'all | 17:13 |
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| dansmith | bummer | 17:14 |
| dansmith | anything else for open discussion? | 17:14 |
| dtp | dansmith | 17:15 |
| dtp | i'll look over your changes | 17:15 |
| dtp | and at some point after that i'll need a new assignment | 17:15 |
| dtp | so i guess i'll just touch base w/ you and melwitt at that time | 17:15 |
| dansmith | dtp: or just steal something :) | 17:15 |
| dansmith | but okay, I'll try to be thinking of stuff | 17:15 |
| melwitt | there's a lot of make-cells-aware stuff that needs doing right? | 17:16 |
| dansmith | melwitt: potentially, yeah, but it's a bit hard to discover in parallel it seems | 17:17 |
| dansmith | but yeah, | 17:17 |
| melwitt | okay | 17:17 |
| dansmith | dtp: if you pull down my patches, get it running, and then try to find some weirdo corner api that fails with this arrangement, that'd be a great one | 17:17 |
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| dtp | in devstack you mean? | 17:17 |
| dansmith | dtp: poke at it until you find something that fails | 17:17 |
| dansmith | yeah | 17:17 |
| dtp | ok | 17:18 |
| dansmith | cool, anything else? | 17:18 |
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| dansmith | going.... | 17:19 |
| dansmith | SOLD | 17:19 |
| dansmith | #endmeeting | 17:19 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2017/nova_cells.2017-03-01-17.01.html | 17:20 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 1 20:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:00 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 20:00 |
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| david-lyle | o/ | 20:00 |
| betherly | o/ | 20:00 |
| robcresswell | Hey everyone | 20:01 |
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| robcresswell | So, announcements and such | 20:01 |
| lcastell | o/ | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | I sent out a couple emails this week, one about the Pike PTG and another about single core approval for patches | 20:01 |
| * robcresswell finds links | 20:01 | |
| robcresswell | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113101.html | 20:02 |
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| robcresswell | Urgh seems like the thread tracking is messed up. Not sure why | 20:03 |
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| robcresswell | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112950.html | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | Thats the PTG Summary | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/113029.html | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | and thats the single core approval mail | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | Got there in the end :) | 20:04 |
| r1chardj0n3s | \o/ | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | Thanks everyone for attending the PTG btw, was good to catch up and get organised | 20:04 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | hasn't been any response to the single-core email, which I find interesting | 20:05 |
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| robcresswell | We've got a nicely organised blueprint list now | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | #list https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | argh, tired. | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | We'll be using this in place of the usual priorities etherpad | 20:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | adding "/pike" on the end is also useful, I find: | 20:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/pike | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | Yep | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | I'll be reviewing anything on there over the other patches to make sure we stay focused | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | So please try to keep on top of these blueprints, everyone. Lets make it a productive cycle. | 20:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I've been doing some maintenance on the high/medium priority BP whiteboards (as part of finding patches to review) and they're a little more up to date now (adding MERGED/ABANDONED) | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | Awesome | 20:07 |
| betherly | \o/ | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | On a side note, they've already announced the summit after Sydney will be back in Vancouver https://www.openstack.org/blog/2017/02/the-openstack-summit-is-returning-to-vancouver-in-may-2018/ | 20:08 |
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| betherly | Gosh that's fast announcement! Haven't even had Boston yet | 20:09 |
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| robcresswell | I don't have much to say for this meeting, having done all of my talking last week. As we progress, I'll be asking for status updates on the prioritised blueprints so we can check people are getting reviews | 20:09 |
| betherly | ++ | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | The agenda is empty (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon) so we can move to open discussion | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | Would it help if the agenda was in an etherpad format? Is the wiki a blocker? | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | Or is everyone just quiet these days :) | 20:10 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: I found that people added stuff to the wiki just fine, when they needed to | 20:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | the meeting reminder email seemed to spur folks to do that sometimes | 20:11 |
| betherly | Ye I think either works :) whatever suits you better I guess | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | I'll leave it as a wiki then | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | is the wiki still blocking new users? | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Sure, I can keep those up | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: No idea | 20:12 |
| r1chardj0n3s | it's just tied to the LP login, so should be open to all | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | it wasn't for some time | 20:12 |
| betherly | I can look into that as I know some new contributors. I'll let you know if they can access it. | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | great, thanks betherly | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 20:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:13 | |
| david-lyle | r1chardj0n3s: there was a spamming issue | 20:13 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | ah the old spamming the wiki funtimes | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | So if anyone has any general questions, blueprints etc, nows the time to ask | 20:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | right, so Rob, I'm still trying to decode your comment on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/reorganise-volumes ;-) | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | \o/ | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | Right. In your original patch, you broke up all the code and added a new Volume panel group under the Admin nav | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | All I was saying was that this highlights a need to break up admin, since it has something like 10+ panels under an ambiguous "System" group | 20:15 |
| r1chardj0n3s | Yes, I agree on that | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | So I was just saying, instead of adding one new group in your patch, and then doing the rest in a new bp, just add your content to "System" so its consistent, and then afterwards, we can reorg all of the Admin nav in a single blueprint | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | that keeps the patch logic and release notes separate. | 20:16 |
| betherly | So I'm wondering as well. Is there up to date documentation re creating angular panels? The techniques for plugins are a bit different and I'm not sure how to create the tables properly. The documentation for horizon dashboards seems to represent the older techniques but maybe I'm wrong? | 20:16 |
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| robcresswell | Otherwise you end up with a situation where you add a release note where you've added a new panel group, and then you've another where you've moved them around a bunch. It was literally just asking for a one line change on your enabled files | 20:16 |
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| robcresswell | But you interpreted that as me saying "dont do the admin work at all" :) | 20:17 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: I'm not sure I understand why I shouldn't add the new volume group in the same patch that splits out the panels, since it's such a small amount of code to add the new group | 20:17 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I have a separate two patches which do the admin reorganisation, including the new panel group | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Because if the second effort ends up changing the numerical ordering again, its annoying for git history and release notes to follow. | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | Like if we add Admin -> Instances, then we end up reorganising again | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | So I was just saying keep those two efforts distinct | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | betherly: One moment :) | 20:18 |
| r1chardj0n3s | wait, so you don't want me to do the volume panel group until we reorganise *all* of admin? | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | yes, that | 20:18 |
| betherly | robcresswell: of course! Sorry didn't mean to interrupt discussion :) just dropped it in for as and when | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | Just put the panels under System *for now* and then we can reorganise it all under the scope of one "reorg admin nav" bp | 20:19 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | oh, OK I guess | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | rather than "split out volumes and start to change the admin nav" as one bp and then "oh and move some more panel groups around and rename the volumes enabled file again" as a second bp | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | Its been kinda blown out of proportion because of my inability to explain myself :( | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | But my original comment was really "yeah this is great and works, but just change this one line back to system until we can decide how to organise them all" | 20:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | no, I get what you're aiming for now. I don't know that I quite see the point, but I'm happy to toe the party line :-) | 20:21 |
| ducttape_ | I'd think doing the nav layout first is best. | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | ducttape_: dont confuse things | 20:21 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ohai ducttape_ | 20:21 |
| * ducttape_ is confused | 20:21 | |
| robcresswell | all the volumes work is already done anyway | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | I've been reviewing it, so should be able to merge it this week | 20:21 |
| ducttape_ | k. nevermind. don't want to delay betherly | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | betherly: o/ | 20:21 |
| robcresswell | fire away | 20:22 |
| lucasxu | o/ can I ask something ? | 20:22 |
| robcresswell | betherly: Are you referring to https://docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/tutorials/plugin.html#angularjs-plugin ? | 20:23 |
| robcresswell | lucasxu: One moment, just discussing docs with betherly, then absolutely :) | 20:23 |
| betherly | so I was just asking about panel work based on the qos panel I'm working on. I'm struggling with where to put some of the static files as it seems to change per panel and then also developing the angular tables | 20:23 |
| betherly | so that documentation you linked to seems pretty specific to plugins | 20:24 |
| robcresswell | https://github.com/openstack/horizon/tree/master/openstack_dashboard/static/app/core this stuff is probably "most correct" | 20:24 |
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| robcresswell | especially the images work | 20:24 |
| betherly | So this is where I started https://docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/tutorials/dashboard.html | 20:24 |
| robcresswell | I know r1chardj0n3s has his swift panel and the new LI are still in a weird other path | 20:24 |
| betherly | Ah perfect thank you | 20:25 |
| betherly | robcresswell: would you mind if I pinged you in the morning to take a look at where I've placed things? | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | betherly: Sure, no problem | 20:25 |
| betherly | thanks so much! | 20:25 |
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| robcresswell | Though, ping in the Horizon IRC to keep the discussion public for others. | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | That way more people can learn | 20:25 |
| betherly | sure thing | 20:25 |
| betherly | :) | 20:26 |
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| ducttape_ | and spread confusion. we do that too | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Didn't you document all the registry stuff a while back? | 20:26 |
| lcastell | +1 ducttape_ | 20:26 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell:yes, I did a whole lotta work on the in-code docs | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | ah awesome | 20:27 |
| r1chardj0n3s | we're still not extracting those to HTML :/ | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | :( | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | Well, thats a separate issue | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | lucasxu: You had a question? | 20:27 |
| betherly | nice r1chardj0n3s !!! | 20:27 |
| lucasxu | Thanks! So currently the way for me to do the code review is to use a devstack, which i pull code from the gerrit and test. Is this the best way to do the code review? | 20:27 |
| lucasxu | robcresswell: yes ;) | 20:27 |
| betherly | lucasxu: that's how I test it | 20:28 |
| betherly | git review -d is your friend | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | lucasxu: Thats the best way to get started, yeah | 20:28 |
| lucasxu | betherly: great! thanks! | 20:28 |
| lucasxu | robcresswell: thank you :) trying to test some angular code | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | once you're a bit more familiar, I tend to run with the latest stable branch devstack on a server somewhere, and then a local horizon | 20:29 |
| ducttape_ | if you can find 1000 spare servers, you can also use this as your horizon backend | 20:29 |
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| betherly | robcresswell: ++ to stable branch - devstack master is far from stable :'D | 20:29 |
| lucasxu | hmm, sure. and connect the local horizon to the keystone in that devstack? | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | lucasxu: Yup | 20:30 |
| lucasxu | hah, if I could | 20:30 |
| r1chardj0n3s | lucasxu: yep - that's how I run things | 20:30 |
| lucasxu | r1chardj0n3s: thanks, glad that im on the right track! | 20:30 |
| ducttape_ | there is only one config setting to point to where keystone auth url is, then you are good to switch to any openstack deployment | 20:30 |
| robcresswell | There's a few useful bits and pieces to know about too, like understanding virtualenv and the compression settings in Horizon | 20:31 |
| robcresswell | Sometimes people don't know about them and end up doing things like restarting apache every time they change a line of JS | 20:31 |
| lucasxu | yeah, and I believe currently horizon only depends on keystone now. so it would be really easy for me just set it up | 20:31 |
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| robcresswell | lucasxu: Yeah, you can disable devstacks horizon too to speed up the build. Although, if its on a remote system it shouldnt fall over that often. | 20:32 |
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| ducttape_ | if you don't use devstack, you can just checkout the horizon repo and go | 20:33 |
| betherly | snapshots before the build are useful to have a return to point | 20:34 |
| lucasxu | robcresswell: nice. yeah, it would be really useful to know the compression settings and virtualenv. I have been trying them | 20:34 |
| * betherly learnt this the hard way :D | 20:34 | |
| lucasxu | robcresswell: sure. thanks for the suggestion :) | 20:34 |
| robcresswell | ducttape_: Ha yep | 20:34 |
| lucasxu | hah | 20:34 |
| lucasxu | ducttape_: eventually i will do that :) | 20:35 |
| lucasxu | betherly: thanks :D | 20:35 |
| robcresswell | lucasxu: https://django-compressor.readthedocs.io/en/latest/settings/#django.conf.settings.COMPRESS_ENABLED and https://django-compressor.readthedocs.io/en/latest/settings/#django.conf.settings.COMPRESS_OFFLINE | 20:35 |
| robcresswell | Those are probably the two most useful things to be able to toggle. | 20:36 |
| ducttape_ | plus collectstatic is also needed, its around the same place in django docs | 20:36 |
| ducttape_ | collectstatic first, then compress if needed | 20:36 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, if you run with COMPRESS_OFFLINE = True, you'll need to run collectstatic and compress | 20:37 |
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| lucasxu | great, Thanks guys. that's really helpful! | 20:37 |
| robcresswell | tox -e manage -- collectstatic -c and tox -e manage -- compress | 20:37 |
| robcresswell | then you can do tox -e manage -- runserver and away you go | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | iirc. | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | lucasxu: Sure, ping any time if you need help | 20:38 |
| * ducttape_ coughs ./run_tests.sh | 20:38 | |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: "tox -e runserver" also works | 20:38 |
| lucasxu | yes, I saw that in the doc and there was a typo in 'collectstatic' lol | 20:38 |
| lucasxu | haha | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | lucasxu: I hope you proposed a patch... | 20:39 |
| r1chardj0n3s | ducttape_: no, you cannot have it work easily! | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | ducttape_: No, run tests is dead | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | I cannot wait to remove it | 20:39 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: it's already merged, IIRC ;-) | 20:39 |
| lucasxu | robcresswell: yes and richard merged it | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | :o | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell: watch it | 20:39 |
| ducttape_ | merely a flesh wound | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | WTF? | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399842/ | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | Its not merged | 20:39 |
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| * david-lyle pauses at the door | 20:40 | |
| robcresswell | cant remove it till queens iirc. | 20:40 |
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| * david-lyle looks back hopefully | 20:40 | |
| robcresswell | otherwise we arent following stable policy | 20:40 |
| betherly | david-lyle: :'D | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | I can't learn new things | 20:40 |
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| ducttape_ | fun fact: this is a photo of david-lyle and I - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/Statler_and_Waldorf.jpg | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | #truestory | 20:41 |
| * betherly needs to rewrite that part of my horizon blog post | 20:41 | |
| lucasxu | lol | 20:41 |
| robcresswell | betherly: About david and eric being grumpy? | 20:41 |
| betherly | hahaha | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | you couldn't have gotten that part wrong | 20:42 |
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| betherly | robcresswell: about tox rather than runserver - but yes remind me to add that too ;) | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | tox is the future | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | help us all | 20:42 |
| betherly | robcresswell: woot | 20:42 |
| betherly | hahaha | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | Right | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | any other questions? | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | why do you hate us? | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | ;-) | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | Us? Its not a general thing, its very targeted | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | :D | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | haha | 20:43 |
| betherly | hahaha | 20:44 |
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| ducttape_ | one more thing for david-lyle and I - https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder266/500x/75900266.jpg | 20:44 |
| betherly | bwahaha! | 20:45 |
| * ducttape_ is pretty sure I am not invited anymore | 20:45 | |
| betherly | now having to explain to my boyfriend why I'm laughing out loud at my screen | 20:45 |
| lucasxu | looooll | 20:45 |
| robcresswell | haha | 20:46 |
| robcresswell | Okay, we can call it here | 20:46 |
| robcresswell | Thanks everyone | 20:46 |
| betherly | cheers all! | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | glad we resolved to keep run_tests.sh | 20:46 |
| lucasxu | thanks! | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | good meeting | 20:46 |
| betherly | david-lyle: nice insert last minute ;) | 20:46 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 20:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:46 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 1 20:46:56 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-03-01-20.00.html | 20:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-03-01-20.00.txt | 20:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-03-01-20.00.log.html | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | I should have #info'd it | 20:47 |
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| betherly | david-lyle: hindsight. Next time! | 20:47 |
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