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dtantsur#startmeeting ironic17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Mar  6 17:00:28 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'17:00
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jroll\o17:01
* jroll in another meeting at same time so won't be paying much attention here17:01
dtantsurhey everyone, thanks for joining!17:01
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dtantsur#topic Announcements / Reminders17:02
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dtantsurI don't have much to announce, but we have announcements from other team members17:02
dtantsur#info UI sub-team meeting - Tuesdays at 1800 UTC in #openstack-meeting-317:02
dtantsurironic-ui needs love, please join :)17:03
jroll++17:03
TheJulia\o/17:03
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dtantsur#info Potential Nova deadlines: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113275.html17:03
vsaienk0\o17:03
jlvillalNo promises but I may have a co-worker helping out. Hasn't been decided yet though...17:03
dtantsurjlvillal, great!17:04
dtantsuras to nova, we have to do our specs (if any) by mid-April, apparently17:04
dtantsurthey don't expect to have a non-priority FF (which is great for us)17:04
rama__o/17:04
dtantsurTheJulia, do we need a spec for BFV in Nova?17:04
dtantsur(maybe jroll knows ^^^)17:04
jlvillalFYI: Doing a recheck on the stable/newton branch. I think it broke back when dstools was broken. Hopefully it will work now.17:04
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TheJuliaI am not on top of the nova portion at the moment17:05
lucasagomesdtantsur, apparently there's one already (merged): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200496/17:05
dtantsurack17:05
lucasagomes(link from: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ironic-boot-from-volume)17:05
dtantsurlucasagomes, this is ironic's17:05
dtantsurbut https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ironic-boot-from-volume seems to be approved17:06
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lucasagomesoh er, sorry copy and pasted from the bp too quick, thought was nova :D17:06
jrolldtantsur: I'm fairly certain we don't, will need to check17:06
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dtantsurcool17:06
dtantsur#action jroll to check if we need a spec for Nova's BFV side (probably not)17:06
jrolldtantsur: right, we do not, BP is approved https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ironic-boot-from-volume17:07
dtantsurgood :)17:07
jroll:)17:07
dtantsur#undo17:07
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #action jroll to check if we need a spec for Nova's BFV side (probably not)17:07
dtantsurnow, the last thing17:07
dtantsur#info Boot from volume meeting scheduling poll at http://doodle.com/poll/qwhnpqazmf7fn5ik17:07
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dtantsurwe're getting moar subteam dedicated meetings17:07
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mjturekdtantsur: is the ironic/neutron meeting kicking off again?17:08
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dtantsurmjturek, nothing on this side yet, at least not from me17:08
mjturekack17:09
rloomjturek: is that meeting something that you'd like?17:09
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mjturekrloo: I think the networking stuff can be hard to follow without it but people were saying it was turning into a status meeting?17:09
jrollit was, yeah, but if the people working on it want to spin it up again, I'm not opposed17:10
rloomjturek: would documentation be better? i believe it was a status meeting but i didn't attend the old ones17:10
dtantsurI wonder if we can alternate between BFV and networking meetings17:10
dtantsuras I'm not sure, to be honest, how valuable a subteam meeting is very week17:10
dtantsurbut maybe it's only me17:10
rloomjturek: or do you mean 'networking stuff that we're currently working on'?17:10
mjturekrloo: yes, sorry :)17:10
rloomjturek: i was hoping the subteam reports would address that :-(17:11
dtantsurmaybe we can bring this to the ML?17:12
mjturekfair enough! I was just curious. It's something I would attend if it was happening is all17:12
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dtantsurthere may be more folks interested in such meeting, who are not here (e.g. folks for vendor's side)17:12
mjturekdtantsur: I can start an ML thread if that'd be helpful17:12
dtantsurthanks!17:12
mjtureknp17:12
dtantsur#action mjturek to start a ML thread about reviving the networking subteam meeting17:12
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dtantsurnow, finally17:12
dtantsur#info we are defining the Pike priorities, please participate: https://review.openstack.org/43971017:13
dtantsuranything else to announce?17:13
dtantsur#topic Review subteam status reports17:14
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dtantsur#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard17:14
dtantsurstarting with line 9717:14
rloodtantsur: wrt the high bugs; anything to review? do we need folks to look into them?17:15
dtantsurTheJulia, we haven't landed API for BFV, right? so we can't really land https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-ironicclient+branch:master+topic:bug/1526231 ?17:15
dtantsurrloo, I haven't looked myself yet. vdrok?17:15
TheJuliadtantsur: that is correct17:16
rloojlvillal & vsaienk0: wow, great work on mulitnode grenade. this week maybe...?17:16
* jlvillal is hopeful!17:16
vsaienk0rloo: only one patch to devstack left, and we are ready to add job in -nv mode17:16
vdrokrloo: the two I've set to high were - do not use tempest.scenario manager directly, and a bunch of deprecations that are seen during unittest run17:17
vdrokso that we are not broken at some point17:17
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rloovdrok: thx. solio is dealing with the first. why are deprecations high? things still work?17:18
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vdrokrloo: I've seen them for a while, and some of them relate to api17:18
vdrokso, if the pecan gets updated, we are broken17:18
rloovdrok: ah. :-(17:18
dtantsurugh17:19
dtantsurlink to the bug?17:19
vdroklemme find it17:20
vdrokah, it's medium, I don't remember which one is high :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/166824017:21
openstackLaunchpad bug 1668240 in Ironic "Deprecation warnings about pecan's _route and CORS" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Vladyslav Drok (vdrok)17:21
dtantsur#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1668240 needs fixing, so that we're not broken by new pecan versions17:21
rloothis is the latest/most recent bug with HIGH: https://bugs.la17:22
rloooops17:22
rloohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/166897417:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1668974 in Ironic "Do not enforce the use of Python 2 when running the unit-with-driver-libs tox target" [High,Triaged]17:22
dtantsurah, that one17:22
rloovdrok: was it that?17:22
* dtantsur is not sure it's high, but python 3 is the next big thing, sooo...17:23
rloook, i think we can move on :)17:23
vdrokrloo: I guess, I did set only one bug to high then :) this one was dtantsur :)17:23
dtantsureveryone ready to move on?17:23
lucasagomes++17:23
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dtantsur#topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week17:24
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dtantsurI added the multi-node grenade to the list from the previous week. otherwise I'm not sure what we can do17:24
rlooboot from volume needs reviews? (is that right?)17:25
rloomaybe we should look at etags spec17:25
dtantsurseems like BFV has -1 on everything now :)_17:25
vsaienk0dtantsur: only one patch left to devstack https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440783/ nothing to be done on ironic side17:25
rlooput etags spec on agenda for next week's meeting? will that speed it up?17:25
lucasagomesin the PTG we identified some works that are basically ready and just need reviews (etgas as rloo said, node tags and the OSC thingy)17:25
lucasagomesmaybe we should target that17:25
dtantsurvsaienk0, let's keep it on our radar though. we may need something as soon as it runs ;)17:25
lucasagomesand just get it done17:25
dtantsurrloo, lucasagomes, +1 to that17:26
mjturekrescue/unrescue too right?17:26
lucasagomesmjturek, true, that too AFAIR17:26
rloomjturek: yeah, but that is a bigger thing and hasn't been around/ready as long as the other two17:26
mjturekrloo: ahhh understood17:26
TheJulia+1 to review/land etags/node tags/rescue17:26
rloomjturek: i'd be happy if we even get one of the other two done this week. (pessimist that i am)17:26
mjtureklolol17:27
vsaienk0I'm kindly asking to review ironic standalone tests https://review.openstack.org/#/c/423556/ as sooner we add -nv jobs is better so we can start fixing bugs if any exists17:27
dtantsuroh, standalone tests, I'd happily get them into priorities17:27
yolandai'd like to get reviews on ironic deployment steps https://review.openstack.org/41252317:27
rloooh, faults support spec needs reviews too. if we get etags done this week, i'd vote for faulst support next week17:27
dtantsuryep, this and deploy steps for next week is probably a good plan17:28
dtantsuryolanda, we're trying to finish small things that are already close to landing this week17:28
dtantsurunfortunately, deploy steps is neither small nor easy :)17:28
yolandaindeed17:28
dtantsurany other easy wins we could consider?17:28
rloodtantsur: i think that's plenty. how many did we get done from last week?17:29
dtantsurhmm, node tags does not look in good shape17:29
dtantsurs/does/do17:29
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dtantsurhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1526266 - merge conflicts, -1's, etc17:29
mgoulddtantsur: no, you were right the first time :-)17:29
mgouldwait, no17:29
* mgould needs coffee17:30
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dtantsurzhenguo, hey! are you planning on updating the node tags patches early this week?17:30
rloodtantsur: we can ping zhenguo to deal with merge conflicts; that shouldn't be a big deal.17:30
galynahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/381991/ - as for etags, just to not forget as you touch this subject17:30
dtantsurok, let's keep it in, assuming somebody rebases them17:30
rloogalyna: dtantsur already noted it, see line 92 in etherpad17:31
dtantsurok, does this list look good?17:31
galynaOk, I see :)17:31
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rlooi'm good with this list, thx.17:32
dtantsurcool17:32
dtantsur#topic Appointing a bug liaison for the next week17:32
lucasagomesdtantsur, yeah I've reviewed it after the PTG, the -1's are not that big... but need fixing imo17:32
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dtantsurany volunteers to take a look at the bug list?17:32
mjturekdtantsur: I'd like to give it a shot!17:32
vdrokphew :)17:32
dtantsurawesome, thanks mjturek :)17:32
mjtureknp!17:33
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dtantsur#action mjturek to help with bug triaging this week17:33
dtantsurskipping empty topics......17:33
dtantsur#topic Open discussion17:33
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dtantsurthe floor is open, go ahead :)17:34
soliosgthis patch is ready for review/merge, it unblocks QA Tempest team (do not use tempest.scenario.manager directly): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439252/17:34
rloodtantsur: if there is nothing, maybe we can just go through the priorities pike patch17:34
dtantsur#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439252/ should be reviewed asap to unblock QA team17:35
dtantsurthanks soliosg17:35
dtantsurrloo, I agree, just giving the folks some time for suggestions17:35
soliosgAnd also, about moving ironic/ironic_tempest_plugin to its new repository openstack/ironic-tempest-plugin, maybe next week we can have it as a priority; it shouldn't be difficult to make the transition17:36
lucasagomesif there's nothing I've something related to the redfish spec (the current comment on it) but, the pike priorities is more important at this point I think17:36
lucasagomesso the only thing is, if you have time please take a look at the last comment at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184653/27/specs/approved/ironic-redfish.rst17:36
lucasagomesthanks17:36
vsaienk0soliosg: pas-sha replied to MT and copying manager.py from tempest among project is not right approach17:36
vsaienk0soliosg: there are alternative options how to do it, please check MT17:38
soliosgvsaienk0: I think I read the discussion between pas-sha and Andrea17:38
dtantsur#undo17:38
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439252/17:38
lucasagomesyeah copying whole files from a project to another usually is bad form, they tend to spread like a plague in openstack17:38
dtantsurqa-incubator anyone? :)17:39
soliosgvsaink0: However, other projects have already merge the change (keep local copy of manager.py)17:39
rlooi think we want to wait until/if there is a conclusion of that email thread?17:39
soliosghttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:tempest-manager17:39
soliosgvsaienk0, rloo: agree, let me read the mail thread and see what's being suggested17:40
dtantsursoliosg, fwiw I don't see any of "core" projects on the list..17:40
jrolldtantsur: because they're in tree in tempest :)17:40
dtantsurah, obviously17:41
soliosgdtantsur: not all project have the dependency on tempest.scenario.manager interface, I believe17:41
* dtantsur reserves his opinion on that17:41
jrollheh17:41
dtantsurvsaienk0, I don't see any responses to the message soliosg refers to Oo17:41
dtantsurnv, ML usability rocks..17:42
soliosgI think we can take this to irc, in case we'd like to elaborate17:42
rlooi have a concern with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440865/, don't know if we want to discuss it here.17:42
dtantsur#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113196.html discussion re tempest-manager refactoring consequences17:42
rloowrt addressing db deadlocking. we've added a new config, it'll retry 5 times. but that patch changes it to 20 times.17:43
vsaienk0dtantsur: https://openstack.nimeyo.com/108176/openstack-ceilometer-networking-networking-networking-scenario17:43
dtantsurfwiw I like pas-ha's suggestion17:43
rloonova retries 5 times. i'm concerned 20 is too many.17:43
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rlooi can also ping/discuss in irc outside this meeting.17:43
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vsaienk0rloo we can ask oslo-core team why they put 20 as default17:44
rloovsaienk0: yes, someone can ask, but i disagree with changing it w/o any good reason.17:44
vsaienk0I think there should be a valid reason for doing that17:44
dtantsurrloo, yep, let's start oslo.db discussion on that.. what we do is kinda hacky17:44
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joannavsaienk0, rloo, dtantsur: I'll ask oslo.db team why they chose 20 as a default17:45
rloothx joanna17:46
dtantsurthanks joanna17:46
joannaI'll place a comment in the patch with the answer when I get it :)17:46
dtantsurlucasagomes, redfish.. well, if we can get more vendors on board, it's probably not too hacky to split the option.17:46
lucasagomesdtantsur, indeed, I think that would be make things more flexible17:47
lucasagomesand will be simpler to implement too17:47
dtantsurlucasagomes, I'd prefer Hans to confirm, though, that with such split his hardware is going to work ;)17:47
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lucasagomesyeah, he comment on it already waiting for him to re-comment :D17:48
jrolllucasagomes: quickly skimmed that, seems fine to me, will read in more detail later17:48
lucasagomesjroll, cool thanks. Yeah, the proposed driver is just standard it doesn't have anything fancy in this first interaction at least17:49
vdroka question related to attach/detach - do we consider it as just a function to map a neutron interface to ironic one, or is it ok to call eg neutron from inside? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424723/6/ironic/drivers/modules/network/common.py@39517:49
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dtantsurvdrok, how well does it work without neutron? :)17:50
vdrokI don't really like the if ACTIVE there :(17:50
vdrokdtantsur: we could trigger the attach to put the key in internal info, and then trigger the port_bind from conductor manager17:51
vdrokit's more about defining where to do that, inside the attach itself, or on a higher level, in manager17:51
dtantsurI can't answer without taking a deep look, I guess..17:51
vdrokfor tenant networks, we do it separately17:51
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jrollseems like a network driver thing to me17:52
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vdrokyeah, the attach was defined in the spec as "a way that different network interfaces can override the virtual network interface (VIF) to physical network interface (PIF) mapping logic currently contained in nova", my question is, should we redefine it, saying that it can actually do the binding17:53
vdrokanyway, this can be discussed in the patch :)17:54
vdrokjust filling the quiet here :)17:54
vdroks/quiet/silence17:55
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dtantsurthere is a question on the priorities patch17:55
dtantsurwho to put as contacts there? I tried putting everyone and it ended up HUGE very quickly17:55
jrolldtantsur: for what, attach/detach?17:55
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dtantsurPike priorities17:55
dtantsurso now I ended up putting only core "sponsors" of each item, which also seems contentions to folks, apparently17:56
jrolloh, as in cores or everyone17:56
* jroll already put his thoughts on that in a comment17:56
dtantsurcores or everyone or somehow selected group17:56
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jrollwe've had this debate in the past, it led to only having cores in this document17:56
JayFI mean, I worry about using core reviewer status to distinguish anything but the +2/A ACL in gerrit.17:56
jrollto quote17:57
jrollThe primary core contact(s) listed17:57
jrollis/are responsible for tracking the status of that work and herding cats17:57
jrollto help get that work done. They are not the only contributor(s) to this work!17:57
rloodtantsur: i'm good with just cores. i just think it is too bad, but i understand.17:57
jrollI don't think that leaves room to think cores are being "rewarded" somehow here17:57
JayFI do :(17:57
jrollsigh17:57
rloooh, so JayF disagrees.17:57
JayFI think it's super unfriendly to new contributors who want to spend a lot of time.17:57
jrollI'm happy to hound anyone daily for a status17:57
jrollI don't think everyone takes that responsibility as heavy as a core does, though17:58
dtantsurJayF, my thinking was: 1. if we don't have cores on board, the feature is unlikely to land; 2. cores tend to show up on meeting and be online, which is not always true for random contributors17:58
JayFI mean, I'm happy to be outvoted -- I just don't believe it's as innoculous as some of you do to rely on "cores" for stuff beyond just reviewing acls.17:58
jrollI don't want to have to wait for someone that spends 25% of their time on the project, etc17:58
jrollcores are cores not because they're good at pushing buttons in gerrit17:58
JayFdtantsur: I think for #2 there's a little chicken/egg issue: if we expected more of contributors, maybe they'd provide more17:58
jrollbut rather because they are tuned in with the project, know our priorities and values etc17:59
dtantsurnothing prevents them from doing it, right? :)17:59
JayFbut I'm clearly outvoted so lets not waste time arguing about it? I just didn't want my silence to be read as agreement17:59
jrolllet's all comment on the patch, right now it looks like a -1, +0, and +1 to me17:59
dtantsurJayF, my biggest concern is actually quite trivial: with adding everyone who wants, some features already have >5 memebers17:59
dtantsurand I have no way to figure out whom to actually put17:59
rlooJayF: yes, that's my issue too. If i make a one-line change, should I want to add my name to a feature?17:59
jrollomg18:00
JayFdtantsur: That's a better reason for limiting it to a lead/co-lead -- but limiting the "lead" to core reviewers only is not something I'm in love with.18:00
jrollthis is what commit history is for18:00
jrollthe list here is "who do I bother for status"18:00
JayFrloo: ++ I think that's unhelpful. I don't mean we should list everyone who contributes. I just dislike that it's implied only a core reviewer can lead the implemntation of a feature.18:00
dtantsur" can lead the implemntation of a feature" is not the correct way to put it IMO18:00
dtantsuranyway, we're out of time18:00
rlooJayF: i was exaggerating, but the list grows. you can see folks asking to add their names.18:01
NobodyCam:)18:01
wanyenILO driver team is interested in redfish driver and plan to contribute. so please coun tus in18:01
dtantsurlet's move it to the channel please18:01
dtantsur#endmeeting18:01
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lucasagomeswanyen, cool18:01
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lucasagomesI know the meeting is finished but yeah, all reviews/code are very appreciated!18:01
vgadirajdtantsur: I understand just having cores. I just saw non-cores on the initial list, hence I requested to be added :)18:01
vgadiraj0/18:01
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wanyenI would like to be added as well.18:02
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lucasagomeswanyen, vgadiraj let's talk about it in #openstack-ironic18:02
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lucasagomeswanyen, vgadiraj ppl are discussing it right now over there18:03
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