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| kaz | hi | 05:32 |
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| anil_rao | Hi | 05:33 |
| anil_rao | #startmeeting taas | 05:34 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 8 05:34:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anil_rao. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:34 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:34 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:34 |
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| anil_rao | Hello kaz | 05:37 |
| vnyyad | Hi | 05:37 |
| anil_rao | Hi Vinay. Looks like its just Kaz, you and I today | 05:38 |
| kaz | anil_rao, vnyyad: hi | 05:38 |
| anil_rao | I would like to discuss a few technical things today. | 05:39 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao, Kaz: we can start with error handling that anil wanted to discuss last week | 05:39 |
| anil_rao | sure vnyyad | 05:39 |
| anil_rao | I listed out the following scenarios that we need to handle | 05:40 |
| anil_rao | port deletion -- source side and destination side | 05:40 |
| anil_rao | source and destination side port (VM) migration from one host to another | 05:41 |
| anil_rao | host shutdown/restart for source port and destination port | 05:41 |
| reedip_ | hi | 05:42 |
| anil_rao | reedip_: hi | 05:42 |
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| reedip_ | anil_rao : also one more scenario | 05:42 |
| reedip_ | anil_rao : Have 3 tap flows with a tap_service, transfer data on the 3 flows. Delete one flow and see what happens | 05:43 |
| anil_rao | And finally, failure to complete tap service and tap flow calls | 05:43 |
| reedip_ | anil_rao: as per the experiment done my associate, he said that the other 2 running tap-flows also stopped sending data | 05:43 |
| anil_rao | reedp_: Not sure what you are referring to. Do you see a problem with this specific configuration. | 05:43 |
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| anil_rao | reedip_: I haven't seen this myself. I'll test it out tomorrow from the offic and let you know. | 05:44 |
| anil_rao | we are currently discussing the error handling cases for TaaS. Let us cover this topic since we have skipped it for the past two meetings. | 05:45 |
| anil_rao | Are there any other scenarios that we should consider out of the ones I just listed. | 05:45 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: we can start with these, i am sure we will hit upon more as we use taas more | 05:46 |
| anil_rao | vnyyad: Sounds good. | 05:47 |
| anil_rao | I would also like for us to use the status variable introduced by kaz to report errors back to the caller. | 05:47 |
| kaz | +1 | 05:48 |
| anil_rao | One question: today we cannot support creation of a tap-service or tap-flows for ports that do not have a host binding (i.e. they are not in use). | 05:49 |
| anil_rao | If we are going to stick with this policy, the the deletion of a source or destination port should result in the deletion of the tap-flow or tap-service itself. | 05:50 |
| anil_rao | How to you all feel about this? | 05:50 |
| anil_rao | That same would also hold if just the host binding for a port got removed. | 05:50 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: this would be limiting | 05:51 |
| anil_rao | vnyyad: Agreed. But retaining the tap-service and/or tap-flow for ports that don't have a host binding will need more support at the plugin and agent level. | 05:52 |
| vnyyad | we need some other way to identify the TaaS agents to the plugin | 05:52 |
| vnyyad | some kind of registrations with the plugin when the agents come online | 05:52 |
| anil_rao | vnyyad: Yes. | 05:52 |
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| anil_rao | I think we will also need entries in the TaaS DB about whether a port is instantiated on a host or not. | 05:54 |
| reedip_ | anil_rao , vnyyad : sorry, I have to leave . I will check the meeting logs and discuss offline, if that is ok ?? :) | 05:54 |
| anil_rao | reedip_: Sure. I'll email all of you with the experiment result you asked for. | 05:54 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: yes | 05:55 |
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| anil_rao | vnyyad: The more I think about this, we should perhaps abandon the learning capability we have today and just rely on controlling everything from the centralized plugin. | 05:56 |
| anil_rao | Not sure how well this would scale but it would be a lot simpler, if we are to support what we are discussing today. | 05:56 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: the idea of using the port binnding was to be able to send unicasts directed at agents to handle the action of taas | 05:56 |
| vnyyad | but without host binding we can use the port-id to identify the port and broadcast the message | 05:57 |
| vnyyad | so the agent which has the port on its host will only act; rite now i guess the code waits of a message and acts if the message has the hosts-is as its own, hence avoiding the search for ports on that host | 05:58 |
| vnyyad | is my inference correct here? | 05:58 |
| anil_rao | One other way would be to continue to do the unicast but run everything out of the plugin (SDN model). the plugin knows about the host binding. If there is no host binding no request goes out to any agent. | 05:59 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: i personally like this approach, the SDN based one | 06:00 |
| anil_rao | I am playing around with the source code ... let me mock up a working prototype and then you and the others can make improvements as necessary. | 06:00 |
| vnyyad | ok | 06:01 |
| anil_rao | My main concern is the following: | 06:01 |
| vnyyad | you mean the SDN approach? | 06:01 |
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| anil_rao | No, not the SDN approach. Just something we should support which is prompting me to go along with the SDN approach. Let me explain. | 06:02 |
| vnyyad | ha ok | 06:02 |
| anil_rao | If a soure port is deleted, we can delete the assocaited tap-flow. | 06:02 |
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| anil_rao | If a destination port is deleted, we can delete the tap-service, which will automatically also remove all assocaited tap-flows. | 06:02 |
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| anil_rao | If a source port's host binding is gone, we place that tap-flow in a non-active state. | 06:03 |
| anil_rao | If a destination port's host binding is gone, we place the tap-service in a non-active state. | 06:03 |
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| anil_rao | For the last case, we should also pause all tap-flow traffic otherwise we will be doing mirroring for no good reason. Or in other words all tap-flows also go non-active, if the tap-service is non-active. | 06:04 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: +1 | 06:04 |
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| anil_rao | looks like we are in sync. :-) | 06:05 |
| kaz | +1 | 06:05 |
| vnyyad | also should be handle migration as a sequence of delete and creates | 06:05 |
| anil_rao | Exactly. | 06:06 |
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| anil_rao | I'll get back in a couple of weeks with something that is working. We can refine the solution from there. | 06:06 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: thanks, shoot a mail for any sharing of f lead :) | 06:07 |
| vnyyad | load | 06:07 |
| anil_rao | Sure. :-) | 06:08 |
| anil_rao | One other topic I wanted to discuss, if that is okay. | 06:08 |
| vnyyad | go on | 06:09 |
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| kaz | ok | 06:09 |
| anil_rao | When an admin is creating a tap-service, as opposed to a tenant, we should allow the destination port to reside in a different (system) tenant. | 06:09 |
| anil_rao | Otherwise, the admin would have to instantiate a monitoring VM inside the tenant that is being monitored, which looks odd. | 06:10 |
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| anil_rao | What do you guys think? | 06:11 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: this should be ok as long gas the admin is a user in both the tenants | 06:11 |
| anil_rao | Yes. | 06:11 |
| vnyyad | this way we can be sure to address the privacy question that we dealt with in the early stages | 06:12 |
| vnyyad | this make sense, we should probably do this, as this is also the need in many usecase, one being in telco | 06:13 |
| anil_rao | vnyyad: I a recent IRC meeting (TaaS) we had discussed a few different scenarios that would be controlled via a policy mechanism that the admin sets up. | 06:13 |
| anil_rao | The default would be for admin to be a member of the user tenant but we could have a differnt case where the admin is not a member (hidden monitoring by tenant). | 06:13 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: ok | 06:14 |
| anil_rao | We recently had a customer ask for a very special case (I am not convinced we need to support it). | 06:14 |
| anil_rao | The entity initiating traffic monitoring is neither the user tenant nor the admin. | 06:15 |
| anil_rao | The ask was for "lawful intercept" that should not be undone by the cloud-admin. | 06:15 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: yes that is a valid use case... but to do it without the knowledge of tenant is not good i guess | 06:16 |
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| vnyyad | in most cases the tenant knows that there is a lawful intercept question | 06:17 |
| anil_rao | Sounds like some countries want to do it without the tenant being aware that they are being monitored. :-) | 06:17 |
| vnyyad | hahaha | 06:17 |
| anil_rao | I think we can leave it for those folks to implement a special policy like this if they really need it. | 06:18 |
| vnyyad | sure then it should be handled as a policy of the cloud admin | 06:18 |
| vnyyad | anil_rao: +1 | 06:18 |
| anil_rao | I am done with the 2 topics I had. | 06:19 |
| anil_rao | Any new about the TaaS package that Ubuntu apparently produced a short while back? | 06:21 |
| anil_rao | Reedip was mentioning it in the last IRC meeting. | 06:21 |
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| vnyyad | vnyyad: i guess none of us anything more to discuss | 06:27 |
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| anil_rao | We can end a little early. :-) | 06:27 |
| vnyyad | +1 | 06:27 |
| kaz | yes | 06:27 |
| anil_rao | #endmeeting | 06:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 8 06:28:06 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:28 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-03-08-05.34.html | 06:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-03-08-05.34.txt | 06:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-03-08-05.34.log.html | 06:28 |
| anil_rao | Bye | 06:28 |
| kaz | bye | 06:28 |
| vnyyad | bye | 06:28 |
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| claudiub | #startmeeting hyper-v | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 8 13:00:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is claudiub. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 13:01 |
| claudiub | hello. anyone here for the hyper-v meeting? | 13:01 |
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| claudiub | seems not. will try again next week. | 13:12 |
| claudiub | #endmeeting | 13:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 8 13:12:41 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2017/hyper_v.2017-03-08-13.00.html | 13:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2017/hyper_v.2017-03-08-13.00.txt | 13:12 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 8 15:00:43 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| kornica | \0 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 15:00 |
| dhague | o/ | 15:01 |
| hosanai | o/ | 15:01 |
| cbellucci | o/ | 15:01 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:01 |
| stevejims | o/ | 15:01 |
| shinya_kwbt | o/ | 15:01 |
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| rhochmuth | hi everyone, and welcome to another installment of monasca, where all your monitoring dreams can come trye | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | true | 15:01 |
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| rbak | o/ | 15:01 |
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| bklei | :) | 15:01 |
| rhochmuth | sorry folks, i've been pretty sick this past week | 15:02 |
| witek | hello | 15:02 |
| kornica | lol...I am gonna get a pony...finally :D | 15:02 |
| cbellucci | good morning :) | 15:02 |
| rhochmuth | so, i've been out of commission | 15:02 |
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| kornica | Dr. Monasca's been sick ? that is unheard of | 15:02 |
| bklei | bummer | 15:02 |
| kornica | yeah, we've noticed lack of -1 @ gerrit :P | 15:02 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, well we might as well get started with the agenda | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 15:03 |
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| rhochmuth | 1. Reviews: | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | 1.1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437159/ | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | 2.2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433016/ | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | 2.3 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442957 | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | 2.4 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395897/ | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | 2.5 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422108/ | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | 2. Colon in dimension key + value | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | 2.1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439612/5 | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | 2.2 https://bugs.launchpad.net/monasca/+bug/1668937 | 15:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1668937 in Monasca "Dimensions with Colons raises malformed exception in monasca-api" [High,New] | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | 2.3 https://bugs.launchpad.net/monasca/+bug/1671085 | 15:03 |
| kamil_ | o/ | 15:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1671085 in Monasca "Allow colon in dimension key" [Medium,New] | 15:03 |
| rhochmuth | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437159/ | 15:03 |
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| bklei | that one is me | 15:03 |
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| bklei | it was a patch following up on a conversation we had about a month ago | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | so, i think this is ready to go, thanks for updating the docs | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | i just +1'd | 15:04 |
| bklei | u bet -- i'll merge if we're ok with it | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | lgtm | 15:04 |
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| kornica | +2 | 15:04 |
| bklei | awesome | 15:04 |
| rhochmuth | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433016/ | 15:05 |
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| kornica | nothing much to add there, personally I think that it is in good shape, we had rbrandt to do some checks againts metric api compatybility | 15:06 |
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| kornica | witek: you think we're cool with as in current shape | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | thanks kornica | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | thanks rbrandt | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | i think it looks good to me | 15:06 |
| witek | i have +2 already | 15:06 |
| rhochmuth | i had reviewed earlier, but didn't leave comments | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | i can take another quick look, but i think it is ready to merge | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | concur with witek | 15:07 |
| rhochmuth | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442957 | 15:08 |
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| rhochmuth | kornica? | 15:08 |
| kornica | it's us...had bunch of issues with it in devstack at this point, so just python code for now | 15:09 |
| kornica | we have follow-up for the feature: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442365/ | 15:09 |
| rhochmuth | do you want to add support for the java code too? | 15:09 |
| kornica | witek, successfully tested on master | 15:09 |
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| rhochmuth | is that necessary? | 15:09 |
| kornica | no, I don't think so, but we actually did not think about Java here | 15:09 |
| kornica | is what necessary ? WSGI or devstack mod ? | 15:10 |
| rhochmuth | just wondering if the python is sufficient | 15:10 |
| kornica | well mod-wsgi is meant for python, but I know as much about wsgi as I've learned during past few days | 15:11 |
| kornica | so, I might be wrong | 15:11 |
| kornica | anyway, we did not take Java into account while doing WSGI for monasca-api | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | good point | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | i wasn't thinking | 15:11 |
| rhochmuth | but you had mentioned just python code for now | 15:12 |
| rhochmuth | so, i think the answer is just python code for now and no java code changes expected | 15:12 |
| kornica | at this point, yes | 15:12 |
| witek | Tomasz thought about integrating it to devstack, I don't know if that is necessary at all | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | so, i'll hopefully start catching up on my review backlog, but i'll try and bring up a new devstack environment and validate | 15:13 |
| rhochmuth | i'm not sure it is necessary either | 15:13 |
| kornica | well, I only did so to have a proof that it actually works + monasca-log-api devstack can run monasca-log-api under wsgi | 15:14 |
| kornica | so was only natural for me to have it in monasca-api devstack | 15:14 |
| kornica | anyway, we don't have time to work on this now, so assuming it would be needed or I;d have somet in, not so near, future - I could add this as non-invasive change to plugin | 15:15 |
| rhochmuth | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395897/ | 15:16 |
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| rhochmuth | kornica: do you believe that this one is ready too? | 15:17 |
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| kornica | it's quite old, but together with Li I think we managed to integrate oslo.db + keep old configuration option that Craig has doubts about | 15:17 |
| kornica | *had | 15:18 |
| kornica | rhochmuth: I think it is though I wouldn't mind extra test from someone | 15:18 |
| kornica | just to ensure that we don't break anything with it | 15:18 |
| rhochmuth | so, basically the old config options are supported and the new oslo.db | 15:18 |
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| kornica | as far as I looked into that, the only problematic option was that in old code there was url opt and in new there will be connection | 15:19 |
| kornica | so in recent PS I think I found a way to support both + marked url as deprecated | 15:19 |
| kornica | or at least I hope so | 15:19 |
| rhochmuth | ok, thanks | 15:19 |
| kornica | :) | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | is the default oslo.db? | 15:20 |
| rhochmuth | in devstack? | 15:20 |
| kornica | you mean, if other projects rely on oslo.db ? | 15:20 |
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| rhochmuth | no, i meant if you bring up a new devstack environment will it use your changes? | 15:20 |
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| kornica | from python-gate log | 15:22 |
| kornica | Successfully installed .... oslo.db-4.17.0 | 15:22 |
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| kornica | and gate used commit->f379d71 Use oslo.db for sqla driver | 15:23 |
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| kornica | so that says that, it will | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | thx | 15:23 |
| rhochmuth | ok, i'll install, but i'll assume this is ready to merge | 15:23 |
| kornica | I guess Artur said he'll test that tommorow | 15:23 |
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| kornica | but I might be wrong, I was leaving when I think he was telling that :P | 15:24 |
| rhochmuth | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/422108/ | 15:24 |
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| rhochmuth | bklei: is this one for you? | 15:24 |
| bklei | i'll take that one | 15:24 |
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| bklei | yeah -- been sitting a while -- not sure if kevin needs to do more work | 15:25 |
| bklei | i think he's addressed hoppal's comments | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | looks like multiple +1's already | 15:25 |
| rhochmuth | i added a +1 | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | i had reviewed earlier, but didn't add any comments for some reason | 15:26 |
| bklei | cool -- if nobody objects, i'll merge | 15:26 |
| rhochmuth | #topic https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439612/5 | 15:27 |
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| witek | kamil_: are you there? | 15:28 |
| kamil_ | yes | 15:28 |
| kamil_ | just a second | 15:28 |
| kamil_ | We found a bug in the monasca-api python version | 15:28 |
| rhochmuth | yes, that was a nasty one | 15:29 |
| kamil_ | It is currently not possible to query for metrics withs dimensions like url:http://localhost:5050 | 15:29 |
| rhochmuth | yup, agree | 15:29 |
| kamil_ | So, we were thinking how to solve this issue and took a look into the java implementation | 15:29 |
| kamil_ | And there we found that the dimension is always splitted on the first occured colon. Indepentend how many colon will folow | 15:30 |
| kamil_ | but this means, that if the key can have a colon. But this is not explicit restricted | 15:31 |
| rhochmuth | right, ":" is not a restricted char | 15:31 |
| kamil_ | In the first step we want to implement the same functionality in the python implementation as it is in java. Just to get rid of this bug | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | sounds good | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | that is this review, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439612/5/monasca_api/tests/test_query_helpers.py | 15:32 |
| rhochmuth | right? | 15:32 |
| kamil_ | And as an extension, we thought we could try to refactor the syntax for the dimensions. For example starting and ending with quotation marks | 15:32 |
| kamil_ | yes | 15:33 |
| kamil_ | Like: dimension='"url":"http://localhost:5050/"' | 15:33 |
| rhochmuth | why would that be necessary? | 15:34 |
| kamil_ | Because then you will be able to have colon in the key | 15:34 |
| kamil_ | I don't know if this is a real usecase. But the spec is not restricting the colon for the key | 15:34 |
| kamil_ | we could also just restrict the colon in the key | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | is it due to how influxdb stores data that this occurs? | 15:35 |
| rhochmuth | i'm wondering if the latter is a better option | 15:35 |
| kamil_ | influx is able to handle keys with colon | 15:35 |
| kamil_ | I checked it | 15:35 |
| witek | rhochmuth: the latter is cheaper for sure | 15:36 |
| kamil_ | we could also try the enhancement with the latter | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | i think i'm missing the part where we require either quotes or to restrict it | 15:36 |
| rhochmuth | can't we fix the issue in a way that doesn't require restricting chars or adding quotes? | 15:37 |
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| witek | if we split on the first colon, you cannot correctly read dimension keys with colon | 15:37 |
| kamil_ | it could be hard. Because you will never know what is the key and what the value in this example: service:name:monasca-api | 15:37 |
| rhochmuth | so the db is using : as a delimiter | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | for key, value | 15:38 |
| rhochmuth | and then we use that to split on | 15:38 |
| kornica | isn't that written somewhere that dimension key suppose to use . (dot) to split segments ? | 15:39 |
| kornica | service.name:monasca-api | 15:39 |
| kornica | using example aboce | 15:39 |
| rhochmuth | that is a convention, not a requirement | 15:39 |
| kornica | ah, right | 15:39 |
| kornica | well, looking at code and the bug looks more like requirements for me | 15:39 |
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| kamil_ | So, the api gets a request like this: http://192.168.10.5/dashboard/monitoring/proxy/metrics/measurements/?dimensions=url:http%253A%252F%252Flocalhost%253A8191%252Fhealthcheck,hostname:monasca.cmm,component:monasca-persister,service:monitoring&name=http_status&start_time=2017-03-01T09:13:51Z | 15:40 |
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| rhochmuth | i'm wondering if restricting is a better option then | 15:40 |
| rhochmuth | it seems like no one should be using the : | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | if they were, they would have had a pretty significant bug in dimenion keys | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | is there a way to escape it | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | that was the only other idea | 15:41 |
| rhochmuth | i had | 15:41 |
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| kamil_ | hmmm. maybe escaping could also work | 15:42 |
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| rhochmuth | well, it still implies a change | 15:43 |
| kamil_ | yes, unfortunately. | 15:43 |
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| kamil_ | And if we change the api then we need to change all clients too | 15:43 |
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| kamil_ | Okay just to understand. As a first step, we are okay with having the same functionality for dimension spliting in python-api as it is in java-api | 15:45 |
| kamil_ | ? | 15:45 |
| rhochmuth | yes | 15:45 |
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| kamil_ | Great. Thanks. And afterwards we can work on the "colon in key" problematic | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | sounds good | 15:46 |
| kamil_ | Thanks. That's all from my side | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | for which a doc change and parser change to restrict it in the dimension key is the easiest solution | 15:46 |
| rhochmuth | i believe | 15:47 |
| kamil_ | yes, i think too | 15:47 |
| witek | thanks Kamil and Roland | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | welcome | 15:47 |
| rhochmuth | so, i think that covers that section in the agenda | 15:48 |
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| rhochmuth | thanks kamil_ for working on this | 15:48 |
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| rhochmuth | are there any other topics to discuss? | 15:48 |
| rhochmuth | #topic open floor | 15:49 |
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| kamil_ | @rhochmuth welcome | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | witek: are we every going to cover the neutron topic that we didn't get to at the mid-cycle | 15:49 |
| rhochmuth | i was just wondering if we needed to cover that still? | 15:49 |
| witek | we could, if there is interest | 15:50 |
| rhochmuth | i thought you needed to discuss this with the monasca project as there might be something that neutron need to add/implment | 15:50 |
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| witek | we need to add cross-tenannt functionality to log agent | 15:51 |
| witek | that's all actually | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | i see | 15:51 |
| witek | most of the changes are on Neutron side | 15:51 |
| rhochmuth | if that is all, then i'm not sure we need to discuss | 15:52 |
| rhochmuth | but, if the neutron folks wantted to have a design discussion then i'm certainly open to accomodating that | 15:52 |
| witek | OK, I'll let you know | 15:53 |
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| witek | thanks | 15:53 |
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| rhochmuth | ok, i think we can close the meeting a little early then if there are no other topics | 15:55 |
| rhochmuth | bye everyone | 15:55 |
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| witek | thank you Roland | 15:55 |
| witek | and everyone | 15:55 |
| witek | bye | 15:55 |
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| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 15:55 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 8 19:59:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| rdopiera | o/ | 20:00 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 20:00 |
| r1chardj0n3s | o/ | 20:00 |
| rubasov_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 20:00 |
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| betherly | o/ | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | Hey everyone | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | #topic Notices | 20:01 |
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| robcresswell | Not much from me today; I've tagged new stable releases for Mitaka/Newton/Ocata, so those will hopefully get merged and roll out in the next couple of days | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | There's also a few more minor patches proposed for backport :) | 20:03 |
| lcastell | o/ | 20:03 |
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| robcresswell | I've been doing a ton of patch cleanup, abandoning old work etc. If I've axed anything by accident, or that you feel is still valid, please restore and work on it, or ping me to discuss. | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | Mostly just trying to get the active feature/patch scope to manageable level | 20:04 |
| betherly | robcresswell: nice one! | 20:04 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | I'll see if I can get those backports through with a minimum of fuss | 20:04 |
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| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Most of them are pretty straightforward, things like one line docs fixes that might save someone a headache | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | Anyway, I think thats about all I wanted to mention. There's nothing on the agenda so... | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 20:05 |
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| betherly | robcresswell: could you ping a link to your starred items for pike-1 again? ive forgotten how to find that and i never bookmarked the link | 20:05 |
| r1chardj0n3s | I'm hoping to clean up the rest of the Volumes patches today | 20:05 |
| r1chardj0n3s | betherly: I use https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/pike | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | betherly: I've not been using starred items this time, but the pike-1 milestone is in the Horizon channel topic | 20:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | and go to the patches in each bp | 20:06 |
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| betherly | ok perfect thanks :D | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | betherly: The BP list is short enough now that we can just use launchpad IMO. | 20:06 |
| betherly | woot!!! | 20:06 |
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| betherly | also small side note: i am unlikely to be at the next 2 weekly meetings im afraid :( i am going to be having laser eye surgery thursday afternoon and so will be out wednesday night celebrating my last night of glasses (and last night of no pain for a few days ;) ) | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | cool, thanks r1chardj0n3s, would be good to get that closed soon and move on to bigger problems | 20:06 |
| r1chardj0n3s | rob's link is better ;-) | 20:06 |
| betherly | (thursday next week i mean sorry) | 20:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | hope that goes well betherly! | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | betherly: No worries, hope the surgery goes well :) | 20:07 |
| betherly | thanks guys!! | 20:07 |
| r1chardj0n3s | robcresswell: there's no accepted BP for ng-instances; is that still something you'd like to see in pike? | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/angularize-instances-table | 20:09 |
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| r1chardj0n3s | right, not accepted for pike :-) | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: I think I just adopted that one; at the time I wasnt sure if anyone would have time to work on it | 20:09 |
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| betherly | oh also. (another also sorry) i looked into it and wiki pages are definitely accessible to new users now | 20:09 |
| robcresswell | thanks betherly! | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | r1chardj0n3s: Yeah, as I said, when reviewing I didnt know if we had someone to work on it. I'll target at Pike if you're willing to do it | 20:10 |
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| robcresswell | Instances would be a huge improvement | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | Those panels are painful | 20:10 |
| r1chardj0n3s | the other BPs in my name are done, just getting them merged (with feedback sometimes) | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | \o/ | 20:11 |
| r1chardj0n3s | well,and the failing gate in volumes, which isn't difficult ;-) | 20:11 |
| ediardo | o/ | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | Awesome work r1chardj0n3s, I'll keep on top of reviews then | 20:12 |
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| robcresswell | I started poking the microversions code again, been rebasing on radomirs work | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | Thats still holding up a couple of lower priority things, been mostly focusing on reviews for now | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | Any other discussion points? Otherwise we shall end the meeting early :) | 20:14 |
| r1chardj0n3s | okie | 20:14 |
| jlopezgu | o/ | 20:15 |
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| robcresswell | Okay, I think we can call the meeting there. Thanks everyone | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 20:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 8 20:15:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-03-08-19.59.html | 20:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-03-08-19.59.txt | 20:15 |
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| rdopiera | good night | 20:16 |
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| dansmith | #startmeeting nova_cells | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 8 21:00:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dansmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 21:00 |
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| mriedem | o/ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/. | 21:00 |
| macsz | \o | 21:00 |
| pumaranikar | o/ | 21:00 |
| dansmith | melwitt: armpit? | 21:00 |
| melwitt | what armpit | 21:01 |
| dansmith | your hand up had a bogey | 21:01 |
| macsz | the dot :) | 21:01 |
| melwitt | oh, haha. I didn't even notice | 21:01 |
| dansmith | #topic cells testing/bugs | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "cells testing/bugs (Meeting topic: nova_cells)" | 21:01 | |
| dansmith | so before we get into mriedem shitting all over it, | 21:01 |
| dansmith | in regards to testing, I'd like to point out this: | 21:01 |
| dansmith | http://logs.openstack.org/94/436094/14/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ubuntu-xenial/f7d6160/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 21:01 |
| dansmith | all but two tempest tests running with multiple cells, and I have patches up for those as well | 21:02 |
| dansmith | unfortunately, no chance of having a clean run at this point due to when I pushed those up | 21:02 |
| dansmith | but anyway, the effort of actually getting a clean test run on multicell devstack is progressing | 21:02 |
| mriedem | \o/ | 21:02 |
| dansmith | the devstack patch itself still needs a lot of work, | 21:03 |
| dansmith | but I won't ever get to it if mriedem keeps up his antics | 21:03 |
| dansmith | anyway, anything else testing-related? | 21:03 |
| mriedem | s/antics/excellent reviews/ | 21:03 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:03 |
| mriedem | on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442861/ | 21:03 |
| mriedem | is the nova-status thing just separate from this series? | 21:03 |
| mriedem | i think i thought that was fine but checking | 21:04 |
| dansmith | mriedem: it is | 21:04 |
| mriedem | ah yes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442787/ | 21:04 |
| dansmith | mriedem: we pulled out a newer service version check at the end of ocata, you'll recall, and I continue to challenge the root concern anyway, | 21:04 |
| dansmith | but not opposed to a status check of course | 21:04 |
| mriedem | you mean the one in the scheduler filter for placement? | 21:05 |
| dansmith | no, that was in pike, but that's another good example :) | 21:05 |
| dansmith | we had one in compute/api about earlier computes before a cells patch from avolkov | 21:05 |
| mriedem | so really our minimum version service check in nova-status should be whatever was required for that placement thing | 21:06 |
| mriedem | which i think i had a bug for anyway | 21:06 |
| mriedem | oh no different check https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1669433 | 21:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1669433 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova-status needs to check that placement 1.4 is available for pike" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Roman Podoliaka (rpodolyaka) | 21:06 |
| mriedem | anyway, it's a good point that the minimum compute version is going to need to be 16 | 21:07 |
| mriedem | which is your patch | 21:07 |
| dansmith | anything else on testing? the next optic on open reviews has a lot of material | 21:07 |
| mriedem | no | 21:08 |
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| dansmith | #topic open reviews | 21:08 |
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| dansmith | so one of our oldest is dtp's console upcall patch, which I hit again today | 21:08 |
| dansmith | I had a minor complaint about it doing some cleanup and functional change in the same and asked him to split | 21:09 |
| dansmith | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415922/ | 21:09 |
| dansmith | anyone else able to take a look at that soon? | 21:09 |
| mriedem | i'd prefer melwitt to look at that given she was looking more into the spec | 21:09 |
| melwitt | I'm planning to look at it | 21:09 |
| mriedem | did that get re-proposed and approved btw? | 21:09 |
| mriedem | in other words, | 21:10 |
| melwitt | mriedem: not yet, going to do that maybe today. this week | 21:10 |
| mriedem | shouldn't this change go under that blueprint? | 21:10 |
| dansmith | mriedem: which blueprint? the console tokens in db one? | 21:10 |
| melwitt | well, I guess the thing is this is an interim thing | 21:10 |
| dansmith | right this is not really related to that larger effort | 21:10 |
| melwitt | it was supposed to go in ocata as a stop-gap | 21:10 |
| mriedem | oh | 21:10 |
| mriedem | carry on then | 21:10 |
| dansmith | cool | 21:11 |
| dansmith | melwitt: can we maybe try to have that merged by this time next week? | 21:11 |
| melwitt | dansmith: the spec? yeah. I will also get the placement spec up this week too | 21:11 |
| dansmith | no, dtp's patch | 21:12 |
| melwitt | oh, yeah. sorry. yeah | 21:12 |
| dansmith | cool, the specs are important too of course, | 21:12 |
| dansmith | but just want to avoid this withering on the vine too much | 21:12 |
| melwitt | roger that | 21:12 |
| dansmith | okay so the next set is the quotas stuff, | 21:12 |
| dansmith | which got some activity this morning and I think melwitt is probably working on as we speak | 21:13 |
| dansmith | I've been through parts of that patch but not the rest | 21:13 |
| dansmith | the bottom two are approved and just holding until the third is ready to go | 21:13 |
| dansmith | mriedem: in between shitting on my patches that might be a good one for you to look at too | 21:13 |
| dansmith | you know, to spread the pain^Wlove around | 21:13 |
| mriedem | john has been reviewing that right? | 21:14 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:14 |
| mriedem | at this point i'm happy to let john handle it | 21:14 |
| dansmith | well, it has some implications to behavior | 21:14 |
| mriedem | i realize it's something i should know about... | 21:14 |
| melwitt | yup. the top patch is not a picnic for review, a lot of it is deleting of code. so be on the lookout for gaps as something to watch out for | 21:14 |
| dansmith | about how things behave when you're close to quota | 21:14 |
| mriedem | do we have functional tests for the edge cases? | 21:15 |
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| dansmith | well, the point is the edge cases are leaky by design | 21:15 |
| mriedem | sure. selfishly speaking, there are only so many super complicated series of things i can push into context in my brain at any given time, and with cells v2 and jay's inventory stuff and some other things, i just won't say i can get to it right now and give it a thorough review. | 21:16 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:16 |
| mriedem | i'm channeling my inner sdague here | 21:17 |
| dansmith | melwitt: maybe we try to make sure the commit message/reno summarize the changes well enough that if he just reads that he won't be surprised on stage in the future | 21:17 |
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| melwitt | fwiw, the edge case discussions are contained at the moment as the only comments on the review. that makes it easier-ish to weigh in on those points | 21:18 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:18 |
| melwitt | dansmith: yeah, that's a good idea in general, for anyone to be able to get the main points | 21:19 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:19 |
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| dansmith | alright anyway, | 21:19 |
| mriedem | didn't we need the user/project in placement for counting quotas first? | 21:19 |
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| dansmith | no | 21:19 |
| mriedem | or was that optional for now since we don't expect cells to be 'down' right now | 21:19 |
| dansmith | it helps us do it better | 21:19 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:19 |
| melwitt | yeah, we're going to go forward with this for now as a first step that has caveats, and expect the placement stuff to complete this cycle and close that gap | 21:20 |
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| melwitt | since multi cell isn't really a thing at the present moment, anyway | 21:20 |
| dansmith | hey! | 21:20 |
| dansmith | it is in my fairy tale life | 21:20 |
| melwitt | sorry, I meant in the non CD case | 21:20 |
| mriedem | look who is shitting on your stuff now | 21:21 |
| * dansmith steams | 21:21 | |
| mriedem | like a steaming pile of... | 21:21 |
| dansmith | moving on? | 21:21 |
| mriedem | yes | 21:21 |
| melwitt | guh, no sorry not what I meant | 21:21 |
| dansmith | the next series is my steaming pile of shit | 21:21 |
| mriedem | don't worry, i also have searchlight to talk about at some point here | 21:21 |
| dansmith | which I just realized won't work in the order I just pushed up, so I will have to transplant some code first | 21:21 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: as in the patch we just talked about first, but without the GET by id stuff? | 21:22 |
| dansmith | however, on top of all of them, we pass a tempest run, although just a few minutes ago mriedem identified some issues that stem from historical leaks of things like internal DB ids | 21:22 |
| dansmith | mriedem: no, I moved that up, but it had a refactor (load_cells) that the other ones need, so I need to transplant that | 21:22 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:23 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: so one thing to note is that until you have multiple actual cells, | 21:23 |
| dansmith | what I have is not any different than what we have today I think | 21:23 |
| dansmith | but, you said you had an idea about moving forward with those? | 21:23 |
| mriedem | sure for single cell this is fine | 21:23 |
| mriedem | yeah | 21:23 |
| mriedem | so, i think we can agree that we should stop leaking ids out of the cell databases in the REST API | 21:23 |
| mriedem | correct? | 21:24 |
| dansmith | are you saying you're okay merging this early with that caveat? because reordering back is much easier | 21:24 |
| dansmith | uh, yes, agreed | 21:24 |
| dansmith | obviously | 21:24 |
| mriedem | dansmith: not yet | 21:24 |
| mriedem | ok, so i think we can agree that we should probably do a microversion in os-hypervisors that returns the compute node uuid rather than the id, and takes a uuid rather than an id for GET calls | 21:24 |
| mriedem | is that ok? | 21:24 |
| dansmith | what are you asking is okay? that we stop being stupid? yes, that's okay :) | 21:25 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:25 |
| mriedem | just setting the foundatoin of shit we can agree on | 21:25 |
| mriedem | next thing is, in this code that's the problem, and not cells aware, | 21:25 |
| mriedem | if we have multiple cells and can't find a unique compute/service by id (not uuid), we fail with a 400 | 21:26 |
| mriedem | and force you to use the microversion to pass the uuid to find the thing you need | 21:26 |
| dansmith | meaning, check all of them and if we find any dupes, then refuse to do that thing? | 21:26 |
| mriedem | right, just like when we boot a server w/o a specific network | 21:26 |
| mriedem | if there are duplicate networks, we fail | 21:26 |
| dansmith | sure, that's a good idea | 21:26 |
| dansmith | but only after we have the microversion api I guess | 21:27 |
| mriedem | yeah, so, | 21:27 |
| mriedem | you can still pass id before the microversion in the single cell case | 21:27 |
| mriedem | that's fine | 21:27 |
| mriedem | but in the multi-cell case, if you pass id and we find multiple, it's a 400, | 21:27 |
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| mriedem | and you have to pass the uuid using the microversion | 21:27 |
| dansmith | aye | 21:27 |
| mriedem | ok, if we're all happy with that, i can start the spe | 21:27 |
| mriedem | *spec | 21:27 |
| dansmith | so, there's probably a few things, right? os-hypervisors, os-services at least | 21:28 |
| dansmith | shouldn't we do them all together/ | 21:28 |
| mriedem | i'm slightly less clear on the os-pci api here, but would have to investigate that more | 21:28 |
| mriedem | yes probably | 21:28 |
| mriedem | yeah for sure os-hypervisors and os-services | 21:28 |
| dansmith | okay, well, anyway, I'm definitely on baord with that | 21:28 |
| mriedem | cool | 21:28 |
| mriedem | i think we have the same issue in os-pci, | 21:28 |
| mriedem | but i have 0 idea if anyone ever uses that api | 21:28 |
| mriedem | it's not even documented | 21:29 |
| dansmith | I will reswizzle these so this patch can be later in the stack and keep pushing what we can, and wait for that for this patch | 21:29 |
| mriedem | ha, also, side note, | 21:29 |
| mriedem | PCI_ADMIN_KEYS is used in os-pci but doesn't check if you're an admin, | 21:30 |
| mriedem | or perform any kind of check | 21:30 |
| dansmith | wt...f | 21:30 |
| mriedem | anyway | 21:30 |
| mriedem | well, the default policy on listing pci devices is admin only | 21:30 |
| mriedem | but still | 21:30 |
| dansmith | ah | 21:30 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:30 |
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| dansmith | okay, mriedem you wanted to call out the searchlight review I assume? | 21:31 |
| mriedem | yeah, sec | 21:31 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441692/ | 21:31 |
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| dansmith | I have started looking at it a few times, but this guy keeps shitting on my patches | 21:31 |
| mriedem | #link searchlight integration spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441692/ | 21:31 |
| dansmith | with "alternative facts" | 21:31 |
| mriedem | i haven't gone through the latest round of comments in there, | 21:31 |
| mriedem | but it's got quite a bit of detail, | 21:31 |
| mriedem | net is it's a bit of a mess dependency-wis | 21:32 |
| mriedem | *wise | 21:32 |
| mriedem | searchlight doesn't support versioned notifications yet | 21:32 |
| mriedem | they have a blueprint to do it, but aren't doing it yet | 21:32 |
| dansmith | orly | 21:32 |
| dansmith | I thought they were super interested in those | 21:32 |
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| mriedem | we also have an issue with the fact that when you delete a server in nova, they delete the index entry for that server in searchlight, | 21:33 |
| mriedem | so if nova is using searching and you do nova list --deleted, you get nothing | 21:33 |
| mriedem | elasticsearch used to have a concept of a ttl on the entry, but that's removed in v5.0 | 21:33 |
| melwitt | what are the implications of them not supporting versioned notifications? how do they currently get nova notifications? | 21:33 |
| mriedem | they basically pushed the filtering on time to the client it sounds like | 21:33 |
| mriedem | melwitt: they get the legacy unversioned notifications | 21:34 |
| mriedem | they said they wanted to get versioned notification support in for ocata but didn't have the people to do it | 21:34 |
| mriedem | i think it will happen, it's just something to note right now | 21:35 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:35 |
| mriedem | the delete thing is a bit more worrisome for me, | 21:35 |
| dansmith | the deleted thing is probably an issue for them anyway right? | 21:35 |
| mriedem | i've suggested a config option in searchlight for a time window before they delete the entry | 21:35 |
| dansmith | because people that care about that won't be happy with searchlight as a semi replacement | 21:35 |
| mriedem | we don't guarantee that you can get deleted instances forever anyway b/c of archive and purge, but it's something people are going to assume works | 21:36 |
| mriedem | and i'm sure admins rely on for debug | 21:36 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:36 |
| mriedem | as far as data migrations, | 21:36 |
| mriedem | the upside is searchlight already has a searchlight-manage command that you can run to make searchlight hit the nova api and pull in all of the existing instances to populate indexes | 21:37 |
| mriedem | so we don't have to worry about nova pushing that data out, or setting up a cron to issue instance.usage.exists | 21:37 |
| dansmith | sweet | 21:37 |
| mriedem | so you (1) setup searchlight, (2) pull the nova data to populate searchlight, (3) configure nova-api to use it, (4) restart nova-api | 21:37 |
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| mriedem | the other thing i noted in there that sucks is every new field we add to the rest api we have to add to our versioned notifications | 21:38 |
| mriedem | that's not really new, but will be more strictly enforced | 21:38 |
| mriedem | plus right now the searchlight guys said we'd also have to make a corresponding mapping change to searchlight to make it handle the new field | 21:38 |
| mriedem | gibi pointed out that we have a bp to send the schema with the versioned notification payload, and searchlight could use that schema to add new mappings, but that's a long ways off i think | 21:39 |
| mriedem | anyway, none of this is impossible, it's just not as trivial as "we'll just have searchlight do our stuff" | 21:39 |
| mriedem | fin | 21:39 |
| dansmith | okay that's not too bad, | 21:39 |
| dansmith | if we're depending on them like we plan to | 21:40 |
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| dansmith | not unlike making changes to o.vo or os-vif that we need | 21:40 |
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| mriedem | yeah it would just suck if we have to make 3 changes before we can return something new out of the rest api | 21:40 |
| mriedem | but anyway | 21:40 |
| dansmith | well, | 21:41 |
| dansmith | we'd have to make the searchlight changes before it would work in that environment, not necessarily for it to work at all | 21:41 |
| dansmith | but yeah | 21:41 |
| dansmith | not surprising given the level at which we're using them for api in this scenario though | 21:41 |
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| dansmith | anything else on stuff up for review? | 21:42 |
| mriedem | i don't have anything | 21:43 |
| dansmith | melwitt: ? | 21:43 |
| melwitt | no, think everything got mentioned | 21:43 |
| dansmith | cool | 21:44 |
| dansmith | #topic open discussion | 21:44 |
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| melwitt | I wanted to clarify what I said earlier, | 21:44 |
| melwitt | I was thinking of multi cell from an operator perspective as in, how long would they experience a gap in say, the "cell down quota issue" | 21:44 |
| melwitt | I had been thinking we were going to signal to them that's it's okay/recommended to create multiple cells at rc1 | 21:45 |
| mriedem | can someone explain to me what 'cell down' even means? | 21:45 |
| mriedem | rabbit and db are dead for that cell? | 21:45 |
| melwitt | like, lose communication with cell, for whatever reason | 21:45 |
| melwitt | yeah, that's one example | 21:45 |
| dansmith | melwitt: if mriedem stops shitting on patches, then yes I agree with that statement :) | 21:45 |
| mriedem | how is that different from if your non-cells single region deployment loses rabbit/db today? | 21:46 |
| dansmith | mriedem: your quota appears to expand in that case | 21:46 |
| dansmith | mriedem: because you stop counting certain resources you can't see | 21:46 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:46 |
| mriedem | which is why we need the global allocation | 21:46 |
| mriedem | via placement | 21:46 |
| mriedem | got it | 21:46 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:46 |
| mriedem | btw, it's fun that placement is the new keystone :) | 21:46 |
| mriedem | has anyone mentioned that yet? | 21:47 |
| dansmith | hah, jaypipes kinda did indirectly :P | 21:47 |
| melwitt | yeah, so I was thinking if we aren't going to recommended to operators to create multiple cells until rc1, then we're "safe" in that we don't have a gap for the "cell down" case from their perspective | 21:47 |
| macsz | in which way? | 21:47 |
| dansmith | when discussing quota shit | 21:47 |
| mriedem | macsz: what in which way? placement == keystone? | 21:47 |
| macsz | yeah | 21:47 |
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| dansmith | melwitt: even if we get all my stuff landed, we can still say "it works with the following caveats, so don't use it if those bother you" | 21:47 |
| mriedem | macsz: just that it's going to have user/project stuff in it and it's global | 21:48 |
| dansmith | melwitt: in fact, I have one such caveat called out in the series already | 21:48 |
| macsz | mriedem: oh, ok, got it :) | 21:48 |
| melwitt | dansmith: yeah, true | 21:48 |
| dansmith | although it's much smaller than quotas of course | 21:48 |
| mriedem | melwitt: i'm also fine with saying multiple cells is ok with caveats | 21:48 |
| mriedem | for what we know doesn't work | 21:48 |
| dansmith | like.. pci :) | 21:48 |
| mriedem | melwitt: however, | 21:48 |
| mriedem | the fact you're thinking about caveats for rc1 at this point scares me | 21:49 |
| melwitt | heh | 21:49 |
| dansmith | mriedem: this quota caveat has been planned since before atlanta | 21:49 |
| mriedem | but wasn't that before talking about putting user/project in allocations in placement? | 21:49 |
| dansmith | as long as the caveats don't affect the single-cell case, I don't see the problem other than just limiting the scope of who can move to cellsv2 on release day | 21:49 |
| melwitt | well, I woke up in the middle of the night and exclaimed (in my mind) "what if a cell goes down!" so I've been thinking about it. I'm sure there are other caveats I haven't thought of yet | 21:50 |
| mriedem | i woke up thinking about sump pumps and patio furniture covers and sling tv | 21:50 |
| mriedem | to each his/her own | 21:50 |
| dansmith | yes | 21:50 |
| dansmith | oops | 21:50 |
| melwitt | dansmith: agreed with the single cell vs multi cell caveat thing | 21:51 |
| dansmith | anything else? this is already the longest cells meeting on record | 21:51 |
| macsz | just would like to say that me and pumaranikar are both working in osic with johnthetubaguy | 21:51 |
| macsz | and we both are interested in doing some work for cells | 21:51 |
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| macsz | probably will start with some bugs, unfortunately most of cells bug reports are over 1 yr old | 21:52 |
| macsz | but will start digging sth :) | 21:52 |
| mriedem | macsz: i think there will be work to do with searchlight possibly | 21:52 |
| dansmith | macsz: those are bugs we don't care much about | 21:52 |
| dansmith | macsz: i.e. cellsv1 bugs | 21:52 |
| mriedem | macsz: i don't know that anyone is slated to add versioned notification work to searchlight | 21:52 |
| dansmith | macsz: testing more realistic stuff with cellsv2 is something major you guys could help out with | 21:52 |
| mriedem | probably need to sort that out with steve mclellan and/or kevin_zheng | 21:52 |
| macsz | ok :) | 21:53 |
| mriedem | macsz: also, i've been trying to get a ci job setup with searchlight enabled and nova configured to send things to searchlight, | 21:53 |
| mriedem | that's not as easy as i thought it would be | 21:53 |
| mriedem | we can talk about that in -nova if you're interested | 21:53 |
| macsz | mriedem: yeah, sure | 21:53 |
| mriedem | ok so i think we can wrap up | 21:54 |
| mriedem | excellent meeting gang! | 21:54 |
| dansmith | sweet | 21:54 |
| dansmith | #endmeeting | 21:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 8 21:54:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2017/nova_cells.2017-03-08-21.00.html | 21:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2017/nova_cells.2017-03-08-21.00.txt | 21:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2017/nova_cells.2017-03-08-21.00.log.html | 21:55 |
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