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| vnyyad | #startmeeting taas | 05:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 12 05:35:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vnyyad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:35 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:35 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:35 |
| yamamoto | hi | 05:35 |
| vnyyad | Hi | 05:35 |
| kaz | hi | 05:35 |
| vnyyad | sorry for my absence the past 3 weeks | 05:35 |
| vnyyad | #topic opendiscussion | 05:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "opendiscussion (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:36 | |
| vnyyad | any specific topics you want guys want to discuss | 05:38 |
| kaz | vnyyad: i have no topic | 05:39 |
| yamamoto | me neither | 05:39 |
| yamamoto | are you going to go boston? | 05:39 |
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| vnyyad | unfortunate no, are you guys planning to be there | 05:40 |
| yamamoto | unlikely | 05:40 |
| vnyyad | ok | 05:40 |
| kaz | i'm plan to attend. | 05:40 |
| yamamoto | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454788/ DO NOT REVIEW patch from reedip | 05:40 |
| vnyyad | kaz: great, i am not sure about anil | 05:40 |
| yamamoto | in case you want to review :) | 05:40 |
| kaz | vnyyad: i see. | 05:41 |
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| vnyyad | i saw the mail from soichi about the change in core | 05:41 |
| kaz | yes | 05:42 |
| vnyyad | he nominated Kaz, which is great, did you guys have any agreement on it. I am all for Kaz in the core :) | 05:42 |
| yamamoto | #link http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/tap-as-a-service/90 review stats | 05:43 |
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| vnyyad | yamamoto: do you have any suggestions | 05:45 |
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| yamamoto | no, i just wanted to provide some info. it's up to you and anil. | 05:46 |
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| vnyyad | you are also a core yamamoto, your suggestion and opinions weigh in too | 05:46 |
| vnyyad | if its ok i will start a mail chain with you and anil today to discuss this... would that be goodd | 05:47 |
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| yamamoto | it's ok | 05:49 |
| vnyyad | good i shall do that | 05:49 |
| yamamoto | btw, it reminded me another topic | 05:49 |
| yamamoto | dashboard repo | 05:49 |
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| yamamoto | i guess "a" option is fine for us as suggested by kaz on ml | 05:50 |
| kaz | yamamoto: yes | 05:50 |
| vnyyad | ok | 05:51 |
| yamamoto | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg103874.html | 05:51 |
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| yamamoto | it seems we have unanimous | 05:52 |
| vnyyad | yes agreed | 05:52 |
| kaz | oh, yes | 05:53 |
| yamamoto | kaz: can you reply to the ml thread saying we agreed as a project? | 05:53 |
| kaz | yes | 05:54 |
| yamamoto | thx | 05:54 |
| vnyyad | thanks | 05:54 |
| vnyyad | any other topic | 05:54 |
| yamamoto | nothing more from me | 05:55 |
| vnyyad | should we propose a spec for pike stadium | 05:55 |
| yamamoto | reedip is working on that | 05:55 |
| vnyyad | i guess reedip has take a lead on that | 05:55 |
| vnyyad | ok yes thanks | 05:56 |
| yamamoto | see the do not review link above | 05:56 |
| vnyyad | Yes :) | 05:56 |
| vnyyad | no other topic from me | 05:56 |
| vnyyad | should we end the meeting if no other topic needs to be discussed | 05:57 |
| kaz | yes, i think so | 05:58 |
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| vnyyad | ok | 05:58 |
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| vnyyad | #endmeeting | 05:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 12 05:58:50 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-04-12-05.35.html | 05:58 |
| yamamoto | thank you | 05:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-04-12-05.35.txt | 05:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-04-12-05.35.log.html | 05:58 |
| kaz | thanks | 05:58 |
| vnyyad | thanks you guys | 05:58 |
| vnyyad | bye! | 05:59 |
| kaz | bye | 05:59 |
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| claudiub-2 | Hello. Anyone here for the meeting? | 13:09 |
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| zhipeng | hey guys | 14:01 |
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| zhipeng | anyone here for the publiccloud-wg meeting this week ? | 14:04 |
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| rbrndt | #startmeeting monasca | 14:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 12 14:59:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rbrndt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 15:00 |
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| rbrndt | Hello | 15:00 |
| kamil_ | hello | 15:00 |
| notq | hello | 15:00 |
| rbrndt | Roland is unable to make it this week | 15:00 |
| koji | hello | 15:00 |
| hosanai | o/ | 15:00 |
| dhague | o/ | 15:00 |
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| shinya_k- | o/ | 15:00 |
| bklei | o/ | 15:00 |
| rbrndt | Checking the agenda, I see there are no items added at the moment | 15:01 |
| rbrndt | so I suppose open floor for anyone | 15:01 |
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| kamil_ | okay... maybe i can open one short topic: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000974 | 15:02 |
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| kamil_ | nothing big. We just thought, that it could be helpful to have a healthcheck url in the monasca-api python implementation. | 15:02 |
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| rbrndt | That definitely seems useful. I seem to recall the versions endpoint was more permissive | 15:03 |
| kamil_ | don't know why it was not initially created | 15:03 |
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| notq | seems reasonable | 15:04 |
| dhague | +1 | 15:04 |
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| kamil_ | okay... I see there are no big objections... i will see when i will have time for that | 15:05 |
| kamil_ | that's all | 15:05 |
| rbrndt | Alright, thanks for bringing that up | 15:05 |
| bklei | i think ^^ is a great idea | 15:05 |
| rbrndt | Any other topics today? | 15:05 |
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| jgu | I have a review request :-) | 15:05 |
| jgu | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426112/ | 15:06 |
| rbrndt | Ah, yes I recall that one | 15:06 |
| rbrndt | looks like it has +1s from several people | 15:07 |
| rbrndt | I will take a look at it, and see if I can pull in anyone else who should take a look | 15:07 |
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| jgu | sounds good. thanks. I also had the okay from the Charters engineer in email | 15:08 |
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| notq | apologies, new question. want to upstream my first thing. is it storyboard, blueprint, or both? blueprint if older, storyboard for new things? | 15:08 |
| kamil_ | I think storyboard is the right way to do it | 15:09 |
| rbrndt | Everything has moved to storyboard, if I'm not mistaken, so any new ideas or bugs should go there | 15:09 |
| notq | jobrs made a storyboard for the feature here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/monasca/+spec/periodic-alarms - but assigned it to the wrong user with the same name as I. any way I can take it, as he is gone for a couple months | 15:09 |
| notq | i'm thinking perhaps just rewrite it as a storyboard. | 15:09 |
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| rbrndt | If it was created before the move to storyboard, it should have automatically been trancferred | 15:10 |
| witek | unfortunately not | 15:10 |
| rbrndt | otherwise, yes transferring it would be best | 15:10 |
| witek | blueprints have not been migrated :( | 15:10 |
| witek | only bugs | 15:10 |
| notq | thanks, i will transfer it over. I did not see a corresponding storyboard for it. | 15:10 |
| rbrndt | ah, I misheard before then | 15:10 |
| witek | I have realised that myself after migration | 15:11 |
| rbrndt | looks like the original blueprint was already approved, so you should be good to go ahead on that | 15:11 |
| notq | i have a first draft written and running, so will be good to go through the process of upstreaming and improving on it. thanks. | 15:12 |
| rbrndt | Looking forward to seeing it | 15:12 |
| hosanai | one quick question: who will be at the coming summit? | 15:12 |
| rbrndt | HPE might be sending one person, but Roland is very busy these days so he may not be able to make it | 15:13 |
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| hosanai | rbrndt: thanks for the info! | 15:13 |
| rbrndt | ok, well if there are no more topics, we can end early today | 15:14 |
| rbrndt | Last call for topics :) | 15:14 |
| witek | maven build jobs fail at the moment | 15:14 |
| rbrndt | I did see that, sounds like you got something sorted out with infra | 15:14 |
| rbrndt | Was that restricted to ocata branch only? | 15:15 |
| witek | that one should fix it https://review.openstack.org/456247 | 15:15 |
| witek | no | 15:15 |
| rbrndt | I suspect that change will be required on thresh and persister as well then, but API is a good test | 15:16 |
| witek | yes, and for ocata as well | 15:16 |
| rbrndt | alright, I will watch that review then and approve if it passes | 15:16 |
| kamil_ | thx witek | 15:16 |
| witek | thanks | 15:17 |
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| rbrndt | Alright, any more? | 15:18 |
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| rbrndt | Ok, looks like we are done then. If anything was missing or comes up later, please bring it up in the monasca channel | 15:20 |
| kamil_ | thanks rbrndt | 15:20 |
| rbrndt | thanks for coming | 15:20 |
| notq | thanks everyone, have a good week. | 15:20 |
| kamil_ | and bye | 15:20 |
| koji | thanks | 15:21 |
| dhague | thanks for hosting, rbrndt | 15:21 |
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| rbrndt | #endmeeting | 15:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 12 15:21:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-04-12-14.59.html | 15:21 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-04-12-14.59.txt | 15:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-04-12-14.59.log.html | 15:21 |
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| rbrndt | o/ | 15:21 |
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| hogepodge | #startmeeting interopwg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 12 16:00:14 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hogepodge. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'interopwg' | 16:00 |
| hogepodge | #chair markvoelker | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: hogepodge markvoelker | 16:00 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 16:00 |
| catherineD | o/ | 16:00 |
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| hogepodge | #link agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreRoble.19 | 16:01 |
| hogepodge | Hi everybody! eglute is out for the meeting today | 16:01 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 16:01 |
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| hogepodge | Please add any agenda items to the etherpad | 16:02 |
| hogepodge | #topic 2017.08 Guideline | 16:03 |
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| hogepodge | (it's been so long since I've run a meeting let's see if I remember all of the commands) | 16:03 |
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| hogepodge | cinder and nova, both are on my plate, and I have yet to send either patch up. | 16:03 |
| hogepodge | We've had a lot of good feedback from the nova team that I need to encode in the scoring patch. | 16:04 |
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| hogepodge | glance, mguiney sent a scoring patch up, with feedback from brian rosamita | 16:06 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451167/ | 16:06 |
| hogepodge | mguiney: any comments? | 16:06 |
| mguiney | i am viewing thw comments right now, hadnt seen them yet | 16:07 |
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| hogepodge | he made some comments about the scoring, and the availability of the image import capability | 16:08 |
| hogepodge | think it's worth making another iteration on the scoring patch | 16:09 |
| mguiney | awesome, i will get a patch going to relfect those changes | 16:09 |
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| mguiney | sorry for the feedback delay there | 16:09 |
| hogepodge | mguiney: ah, he just let the comments this morning. it's no problem. :-D | 16:10 |
| hogepodge | anything else on glance? | 16:10 |
| luzC | o/ | 16:11 |
| hogepodge | with neutron we go to markvoelker | 16:11 |
| markvoelker | An interesting thing has come up in discussion: LBaaS. | 16:12 |
| markvoelker | A lot of tools now support LBaaSv2 and some providers (like, say, the Kubernetes provider) use it. | 16:12 |
| markvoelker | However there are some bits that make this tricky...like the move toward Octavia | 16:12 |
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| markvoelker | (E.g. do you require the "classical" neutron bits as designated sections, or Octavia...which far fewer clouds currently ship) | 16:13 |
| markvoelker | So I think maybe the appropriate thing to do here is just go ahead and propose some LBaaS capabilities just to kickstart a more formal discussion | 16:14 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: is octavia api compatible with classic neutron lbaas? | 16:14 |
| markvoelker | Yes, octavia supports LBaaS v2 | 16:14 |
| hogepodge | lbaas is something we're seeing much more demand for, so it's definitely something we should be discussing | 16:14 |
| luzC | yes my understanding is that Ocatavia is replacing LBaaSv2 - I guess LBaaSv2 will soon be deprecated | 16:14 |
| hogepodge | I'm ok with having multiple providers for a capability, assuming they are test agnostic | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | YEah, and I think that's going to be the biggest issue with LBaaS...Octavia's going to fall short on adoption for a little while longer, Neutron LBaaS may fall down on future direction | 16:15 |
| Rockyg | my take, also. the future of lbaas is octavia | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | So designated sections are going to be awfully tricky | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | But I think if we start the discussion on this now, we'll likely be in a better spot down the road | 16:16 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: can we just add an "or" statement? | 16:16 |
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| markvoelker | I think "or" is problematic | 16:16 |
| hogepodge | in the future, as more projects fragment to better distribute work, this will continue to be a thing | 16:17 |
| Rockyg | it's similar to thenova-net to neutron move | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | Rockyg: sort of. In that case the capabilities were actually a lot different too. In this case the API's are identical. | 16:18 |
| hogepodge | we kind of already have an or, in the sense that we allow multiple backends to different APIs. I don't know why allowing multiple APIs from the OpenStack ecosystem is problematic, aside from potential mechanics. Say hummingbird becomes a thing in the openstack ecosystem, I'd like for deployers to be able to make a choice. | 16:18 |
| Rockyg | Well, that makes *this* a bit easier. | 16:18 |
| Rockyg | So, if we have a test case that works for both versions, the or could be the designated code section | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | My gut feeling is that it's probably too late in this cycle to have an "or" discussion, so my plan is as follows (let me know what you think): | 16:19 |
| Rockyg | That's easier to do than different functionality | 16:20 |
| Rockyg | different api def's.... | 16:20 |
| markvoelker | 1.) I'm going to add a few LBaaS capabilities to the scoring sheet. I think it's unlikely we'll end up adding them *this time*, but it'll help foster discussion | 16:20 |
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| markvoelker | 2.) I'd like to get some clarification from the BoD around the concept of differing implementations of the same API for cases like these. We can point them to the gerrit discussion and ask for a take. | 16:21 |
| markvoelker | 3.) We can also discuss how to handle designated sections as part of the new schema goign forward | 16:22 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 16:22 |
| luzC | ++ | 16:22 |
| markvoelker | (we don't really have a construct for that today...we could simply not require either implementation, but that also opens the door to things being used that aren't actually developed in the community and I think the BoD wouldn't be happy with that) | 16:22 |
| hogepodge | Sounds like a good plan. As part of signaling and discussion, I think it's worthwhile to plan the next guideline with lbaas as advisory. I'd rather not wait a whole year before we can even consider requiring it. | 16:23 |
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| hogepodge | markvoelker: I'm not so sure about that analysis, we can say OpenStack Project X -or- OpenStack Project Y without admitting projects outside of our ecosystem. I understand the concern, though. | 16:24 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: we don't have a construct for either/or in the schema today though. | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | Nor do we have precendent | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | So basically I think we want to proceed carefully here | 16:25 |
| hogepodge | It's just language in a designated section, though? We already include conditionals. Tests are the hard cases, as they should be to guarantee the API contract. | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | We need to have a look at the tests too though--there are some differences there | 16:26 |
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| markvoelker | E.g. octavia actually has it's own set of tests in-tree via a plugin interface | 16:27 |
| hogepodge | Still, signaling this as an issue to the board is important. And we would need tests that evaluated the capabilities appropriately. Also, as with the Keystone v2->v3 and Cinder v2->v3 there are a whole host of deprecation and transition issues | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | (and they're primarily scenario tests) | 16:28 |
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| Rockyg | we either need to make the tests work for both, or the api's don't demonstrate the interop trait. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | Not really following, but just want to point out Cinder v2 is (should be?) exactly the same as Cinder v3. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | v3 just adds microversion support. | 16:29 |
| Rockyg | We're getting to the real hard parts of this, now. | 16:29 |
| markvoelker | Correct...and we're very late in the cycle. =) Hence, my plan here is put something in the scoring docs to kickstart that whole discussion on the larger issue of multiple implementations | 16:29 |
| markvoelker | I'm actually thinking of doing it as a separate patch from the other Neutron stuff because I thin it'll require a lot more dicussion | 16:30 |
| hogepodge | smcginnis: yes, but there are issues regarding the endpoint, and new micro versions have landed on v3 which at some point in the near future may necessitate the dropping of v2. But I'm very grateful about cinder's commitment to interop between v2 and v3 | 16:30 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, I think I've sucked up enough time with this today. =) I'll push the discussion over to gerrit shortly. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | hogepodge: ;) | 16:32 |
| hogepodge | ok, moving on | 16:33 |
| hogepodge | The swift scoring patch is up | 16:33 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453453/ | 16:33 |
| hogepodge | Seems pretty straight forward, but comments welcome naturally. | 16:35 |
| hogepodge | Please review. | 16:35 |
| hogepodge | luzC: is up on Keystone | 16:36 |
| luzC | I'm pushing the patch in a bit... | 16:36 |
| luzC | I reviewed one new capability but requires admin credentials | 16:37 |
| luzC | should I still score it? | 16:37 |
| hogepodge | which capability? | 16:37 |
| hogepodge | can it operate without admin? | 16:38 |
| markvoelker | Hmm...does it require admin credentials because the test happens to be built that way, or because that's a default policy setting? | 16:38 |
| luzC | identity-v3-validate-token | 16:38 |
| Rockyg | put it on the scoring sheet, but it will not pass because of admin | 16:38 |
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| Rockyg | But having it documented on the scoring sheet is important | 16:38 |
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| hogepodge | It requires admin access based on the API docs | 16:39 |
| hogepodge | #link https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/identity/v3/?expanded=validate-and-show-information-for-token-detail | 16:39 |
| luzC | hogepodge: yes | 16:39 |
| luzC | I'll document it on the scoring sheet | 16:40 |
| hogepodge | I can go either way on putting it there as a reference or just leaving it off. | 16:40 |
| luzC | ok, | 16:41 |
| markvoelker | I'd lean toward just including a note along the lines of "X was considered but is an admin-only capability". We've done similar for some Neutron stuff IIRC | 16:41 |
| markvoelker | refer to https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/working_materials/scoring.txt#L66-L71 | 16:42 |
| hogepodge | +1 | 16:42 |
| catherineD | +1 | 16:42 |
| markvoelker | Or more concisely: https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/working_materials/scoring.txt#L119-L120 | 16:42 |
| mguiney | +1 | 16:42 |
| hogepodge | Sounds like a good plan. luzC: anything else on Keystone? | 16:43 |
| luzC | yes | 16:43 |
| luzC | for existing required capability identity-v3-tokens-create | 16:44 |
| luzC | noticed there is only one test case | 16:44 |
| luzC | should I add a TODO for add 2 more test cases | 16:45 |
| luzC | ? | 16:45 |
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| hogepodge | If there are aspects of the API that can be tested, more coverage is always welcome | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | A single test case is ok, but if there are more tests available that are usable it's fine to consider adding more. | 16:45 |
| luzC | but that TODO goes where? into the scoring? tempest bug? | 16:46 |
| hogepodge | luzC: storyboard | 16:46 |
| Rockyg | Should be a tempest bug. | 16:46 |
| catherineD | should go to Interop-wg bug list | 16:47 |
| Rockyg | In storyboard.... | 16:47 |
| luzC | ok, get it I'll add it | 16:47 |
| markvoelker | If tests exists, you can file a bug with us. If they don't and you think there is insufficient coverage of a feature, log a bug with the relevant project/tempest. | 16:47 |
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| Rockyg | what markvoelker said | 16:47 |
| hogepodge | thanks luzC | 16:48 |
| hogepodge | We have about 10 minutes left, and a few pending topics to get to. Are we good to move on? | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | ++ | 16:49 |
| hogepodge | #topic Name Change | 16:49 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433414/ | 16:50 |
| hogepodge | this patch stalled out, any update on the progress? | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | So the patch still hasn't seen any action from infra. I totally forgot to ping them due to some business travel this week. | 16:50 |
| hogepodge | Let's ping fungi :-D | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | I'm back now, so I'll make a point of clearing that off my plate this afternoon | 16:51 |
| hogepodge | great, thanks | 16:51 |
| hogepodge | Anything else we want to add on that? Are there other outstanding items? | 16:51 |
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| hogepodge | #topic Schema v2 | 16:52 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropSchema2 | 16:52 |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430556/ | 16:52 |
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| hogepodge | I'm assuming that while we're focused on scoring we don't have too much for this? | 16:54 |
| markvoelker | pretty much...=/ | 16:54 |
| hogepodge | ok, moving on then | 16:55 |
| hogepodge | #topic Bostin Summit Sessions | 16:55 |
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| Rockyg | OK. I've got a how we score talk with Luzc and I think luzC said she wasn't going to be there | 16:56 |
| hogepodge | I had a forum session accepted for the add on programs. http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/22 | 16:56 |
| hogepodge | luzC: :-( | 16:57 |
| Rockyg | So, volunteer for a second? | 16:57 |
| Rockyg | unless we can get luzC there.... | 16:57 |
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| hogepodge | I'll propose mguiney if she's willing to fill in, or I can fill in too. | 16:57 |
| Rockyg | unless we can get luzC there.... | 16:58 |
| Rockyg | ++ on mguiney | 16:58 |
| Rockyg | That would work, too. | 16:58 |
| mguiney | I would be very interested! | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | RockyG I'm on that session too, so I can help | 16:58 |
| Rockyg | oh, cool. | 16:58 |
| Rockyg | Thanks. | 16:58 |
| Rockyg | I knew I wasn't alone. mguiney might have a cool tool to demo, too. | 16:59 |
| hogepodge | lots of good talk links in the etherpad | 16:59 |
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| hogepodge | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18637/openstack-interoperability-challenge-and-interoperability-workgroup-updates-the-adventure-continues | 16:59 |
| luzC | yes, I'm not attending the summit, willing to help with the presentation... in favor of mguiney taking my place | 16:59 |
| mguiney | hopefully! I plan on getting started on that in the second half of this week, if all goes well | 16:59 |
| hogepodge | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18575/interop-working-group | 16:59 |
| hogepodge | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/17743/defcore-to-interop-and-back-again-openstack-programs-and-certifications-explained | 16:59 |
| hogepodge | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18529/how-an-interop-capability-becomes-part-of-the-openstack-interop-guidelines | 16:59 |
| Rockyg | excellent. gotta run to another meeting...I'll check back later.... | 17:00 |
| dansmith | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | dansmith: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 17:00 |
| hogepodge | With that we're out of time. Let's take this to interopwg | 17:00 |
| hogepodge | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| dansmith | oh, sorry | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 12 17:00:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-04-12-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-04-12-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-04-12-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| hogepodge | dansmith: sorry | 17:00 |
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| dansmith | hogepodge: np. I was late and jumped into #startmeeting before looking :) | 17:00 |
| hogepodge | we're out now | 17:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 17:00 |
| hogepodge | :-D | 17:00 |
| dansmith | #startmeeting nova_cells | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 12 17:00:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dansmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 17:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtp | o] | 17:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 17:01 |
| dansmith | dtp: is that "on the phone" ? | 17:01 |
| melwitt | is that flexing? it looks like it | 17:01 |
| dtp | hehe | 17:01 |
| dtp | could be arm bar if you're into KA RA TE | 17:01 |
| melwitt | haha | 17:01 |
| dansmith | humkay :) | 17:02 |
| dansmith | #topic testing/bugs | 17:02 |
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| dansmith | who has something for this? I think we're closing in on having a lot of those regressions merged | 17:02 |
| dansmith | there was an issue this morning that tripleo found where we were raising 500 instead of 404, but I've got a patch up for that now | 17:03 |
| mriedem | link? | 17:03 |
| dansmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456227/ | 17:03 |
| mriedem | the regressions i had from last week are merged and backported and released in ocata now | 17:03 |
| dansmith | sweet | 17:03 |
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| mriedem | well, soon to be released | 17:04 |
| dansmith | the bug for that ^ is actually on their end, but it shouldn't be raising a 500, which is why it's related-bug | 17:04 |
| mriedem | wow we missed some? | 17:04 |
| mriedem | i thought i hammered you on that | 17:04 |
| dansmith | you did | 17:04 |
| dansmith | but a few slipped.. they found one and I think I got the others in there | 17:04 |
| dtp | nice work sticking with it | 17:05 |
| dansmith | anything else on bugs/testing? | 17:05 |
| mriedem | no | 17:05 |
| dansmith | #topic open reviews | 17:06 |
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| dansmith | my set is down to one required patch and a couple cleanups, which I'm super stoked about.. thanks to all for the reviews | 17:06 |
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| dansmith | now I have to get my devstack patch to be less of a disaster | 17:06 |
| mriedem | the service uuid patch could go https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453025/ | 17:06 |
| mriedem | it was +W but you found that nullable issue | 17:06 |
| mriedem | so i held off on +2ing | 17:07 |
| dansmith | ah yeah I'll re-hit that when we're done here | 17:07 |
| mriedem | but that's fixed | 17:07 |
| mriedem | ok | 17:07 |
| dansmith | who else has open wounds^Wreviews? | 17:07 |
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| mriedem | we need to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454352/ for usages in placement api in | 17:07 |
| mriedem | and i don't know the state of the counting quotas changes | 17:07 |
| mriedem | are those updated? | 17:07 |
| dansmith | I don't think so | 17:08 |
| dansmith | not as of yesterday at least | 17:08 |
| melwitt | not yet. I tried reordering some patches and that was a bad idea so I got set back a little | 17:08 |
| dansmith | okay | 17:09 |
| dansmith | other open wounds? | 17:09 |
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| dansmith | okay then | 17:10 |
| dansmith | #topic open discussion | 17:10 |
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| mriedem | nada really | 17:10 |
| dansmith | anyone got anything to discuss openly? | 17:10 |
| mriedem | except a cells rest api.... | 17:11 |
| mriedem | :) | 17:11 |
| dansmith | heh | 17:11 |
| * dansmith smacks mriedem | 17:11 | |
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| dansmith | okay I guess we're done here... thanks! | 17:11 |
| dtp | thanks dan | 17:11 |
| dansmith | #endmeeting | 17:11 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 12 20:01:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:01 |
| robcresswell | Anyone about for meeting? | 20:01 |
| jeremy_moffitt | o/ | 20:01 |
| gary-smith | o/ | 20:01 |
| jgravel | o/ | 20:01 |
| choyj | \o | 20:02 |
| betherly | o/ | 20:02 |
| gugl | o/ | 20:02 |
| rdopiera | o/ | 20:02 |
| ying_zuo | o/ | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | Hey everyone | 20:03 |
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| robcresswell | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | #topic Notices | 20:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Notices (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:03 | |
| robcresswell | First up, I'll be tagging Pike-1 tomorrow | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | After a check on prominent bugs/relative stability etc | 20:04 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | I'll bump any bugs/bps that havent landed yet to Pike-2 | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | ... I said first up, but I think thats my only announcement :) | 20:05 |
| * robcresswell ponders | 20:05 | |
| robcresswell | Anyone else need to announce anything? Otherwise we'll move on to the agenda items | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | #topic Drop nova-net support | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Drop nova-net support (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:06 | |
| robcresswell | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/drop-nova-network | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | So I'm raising this on behalf of amotoki because the meeting doesn't work for his tz | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | There's been a discussion on the mailer, but wanted to raise it here too | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114674.html | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | aaand | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115194.html | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | These are also linked in the blueprint | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | The general consensus has been that we're fine to drop nova-net support in Pike; I'm in support too | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | We don't really have much of a choice either because we use the python clients | 20:08 |
| robcresswell | Any yay/nay? | 20:09 |
| gugl | it makes sense to drop it | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | I would begrudgingly drop it | 20:10 |
| robcresswell | \o/ | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | we typically support n-1 or n-2 releases | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | Yeah, I'm aware | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | for the other services | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | and have generally tried to keep that up | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | so this breaks that, and wasn't a consideration on the ML | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | I'm not sure how we'd work around that | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | but if you're on Ocata using nova-net, my sympathies are not too deep | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | IIRC on the mailer it was deprecated in... Newton? | 20:12 |
| robcresswell | and Ocata still supported it | 20:12 |
| david-lyle | well for the handful of installations in Ocata using nova-net, they just won't be able to use the latest Horizon | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | I think we're fine | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | I hope that's a very small number | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | Yeah | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | drop away | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | let the bugs fall where they may | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | by drop do you mean gut code? or what exactly? | 20:14 |
| david-lyle | how do we drop | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | Gut code | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | We make calls to the client that dont exist | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | goto : let the bugs fall where they may | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | is there a patch? | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | Most of it is tied up in the security groups etc stuff that we have intermingled with Neutron | 20:15 |
| robcresswell | No, amotoki said he's happy to own that though | 20:16 |
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| david-lyle | network wars | 20:16 |
| david-lyle | ok | 20:16 |
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| robcresswell | #info Agreed to drop nova-net for Pike | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | #topic Horizon feature deprecation policy | 20:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Horizon feature deprecation policy (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:18 | |
| robcresswell | This relates directly to what you said before david-lyle | 20:18 |
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| robcresswell | Generally I dont see any real reason not to keep up n-1/n-2 support, since its mostly just leaving code in the codebase and isnt much overhead to us | 20:19 |
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| robcresswell | This gets complicated when/if code is removed from the pythonclients | 20:19 |
| david-lyle | I think the main issue arises from our ability to track all the deprecations in other services | 20:20 |
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| david-lyle | I would suggest we add a statement of some sort to our docs that other services deprecation notices also apply to horizon as we are just a mirror | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | we can't support what they don't | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | but we do tend to get caught by surprise, this buys us an out | 20:22 |
| robcresswell | That goes against previous practice though right? | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | s/ability/inability/ | 20:22 |
| robcresswell | Like with other things previously, we've kept the code for older clouds to be run with newer Horizons | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | yes we have, but typically things haven't been removed | 20:23 |
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| david-lyle | if our deprecation bleeds to 3-4 cycles, so be it | 20:24 |
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| david-lyle | but this would give fair warning that we may follow the other services more directly, as the nova-net case is dictating | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | Sure | 20:25 |
| robcresswell | Makes sense to me | 20:26 |
| robcresswell | Anyone else want to weigh in? :) | 20:26 |
| david-lyle | ideally we could have better communication between projects and not have surprises, but we have what we have | 20:26 |
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| robcresswell | haha | 20:27 |
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| robcresswell | So, document that we will follow service deprecations, but don't force removal of code ASAP | 20:29 |
| gugl | just curious, how we watch the deprecation list of the services horizon uses during each release? | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | If it remains in a deprecated state we can still hold the code, but there are no guarantees past the service's timeline | 20:29 |
| robcresswell | gugl: Generally speaking we just keep things until someone points out its deprecated, or it stops working | 20:30 |
| robcresswell | Things rarely stop working though, because OpenStack tends to add code, not remove it | 20:30 |
| gugl | robcresswell, oh | 20:30 |
| robcresswell | I mean, I think this nova-net change is the first time I can really recall it happening? Apart from neutron stadium stuff, but even a lot of that is just in a weird unmaintained state I think. | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | oh yeah, I was supposed to remove some aaSs | 20:32 |
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| robcresswell | I think that's everything as far as I'm concerned :) | 20:35 |
| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 20:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:35 | |
| robcresswell | If anyone has any patches, bugs, blueprints, feel free to raise them | 20:35 |
| betherly | Qos basic table panel passing tests now - would love reviews on it :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418828/ | 20:35 |
| robcresswell | \o/ | 20:36 |
| robcresswell | nice | 20:36 |
| robcresswell | Sure, I'll take a look | 20:36 |
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| betherly | robcresswell: thanks so much for your help getting it there :) | 20:36 |
| gary-smith | I've got a bug fix that is causing theming to break: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453919/. Would love a core review on that | 20:37 |
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| robcresswell | Oh yeah, I remember that being mentioned | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | Also starred | 20:38 |
| robcresswell | Anything else? | 20:39 |
| jeremy_moffitt | not tied to a specific bug, but is the "npm" target in tox functional? we can follow-up in openstack-horizon if the answer is yes... getting chrome errors trying to launch tests that way, but using the karma CLI it launches successfully | 20:40 |
| gary-smith | On the recent open list (within last week) there are several (mostly theming) changes authored Diana Whitten and/or Matt Borland that would be great to have reviewed. | 20:40 |
| robcresswell | jeremy_moffitt: Yeah, it should work fine, I've been using it without issue | 20:41 |
| gary-smith | Many were abandoned due to stagnation and releases and have been freshened up again | 20:41 |
| jeremy_moffitt | great thanks, will follow-up in the normal room | 20:41 |
| robcresswell | gary-smith: Yeah, a lot of that fell to the bottom of the pile | 20:41 |
| robcresswell | Once the theming problems were resolved, most of it seemed more of a nice-to-have, than critical issues | 20:41 |
| gary-smith | robcresswell: undertstood | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | I'll try and spend some review time on it, if its being maintained again | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | I'm pretty familiar with it all | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | If there's nothing else, I think we can end here :) | 20:45 |
| ying_zuo | I have a question for tox | 20:45 |
| robcresswell | ying_zuo: Fire away | 20:45 |
| ying_zuo | I used tox -e npm locally and it passed but failed in gerrit. | 20:45 |
| ying_zuo | maybe I should be using a different command? | 20:46 |
| david-lyle | link to failed job? | 20:46 |
| robcresswell | ying_zuo: Which patch? | 20:46 |
| ying_zuo | it was a obvious failure but I wish I could find it out when I run it locally | 20:47 |
| david-lyle | so the failure wasn't installing npm packages related? but an actual issue? | 20:47 |
| ying_zuo | the test failed | 20:48 |
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| robcresswell | You should be able to run it identically locally | 20:48 |
| ying_zuo | hmm | 20:48 |
| ying_zuo | maybe I just missed that error then | 20:48 |
| ying_zuo | cool. thanks for confirming | 20:48 |
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| robcresswell | ying_zuo: It wasn't linting or something? | 20:49 |
| robcresswell | tox -e npm just runs the tests iirc... | 20:49 |
| ying_zuo | no | 20:49 |
| robcresswell | hmm, I'm not sure then I'm afraid. tox in that instance is literally just a wrapper for npm | 20:49 |
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| robcresswell | Anything else? | 20:52 |
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| robcresswell | Okay, thanks for your time everyone :) | 20:54 |
| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 20:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 12 20:54:52 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-04-12-20.01.html | 20:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-04-12-20.01.txt | 20:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-04-12-20.01.log.html | 20:54 |
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