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Guest78699hi, facing issue in launching a VM into hyperv12:52
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Guest78699Can anyone help?12:58
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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_l315:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 13 15:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3'15:00
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haleybhi15:01
mlavalleHi15:01
mlavalle#topic Announcements15:01
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mlavalleThis is the week of Pike-1 milestone15:02
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mlavalle#link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html15:02
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john-davidgemlavalle: ping15:02
mlavallejohn-davidge: pong15:02
john-davidgemlavalle: oops sorry, hadnt scrolled to the bottom of the window :)15:03
mlavalleLOL, that's what I figured15:03
john-davidgemlavalle: :D15:03
mlavalleWe are less than a month from the Boston Summit:15:03
john-davidgemlavalle: I may be less attentive than usual today, in another internal meeting here right now15:03
mlavalleMay 8th to 11th15:03
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john-davidgemlavalle: I will not be attending15:04
mlavallejohn-davidge: not a problem15:04
mlavallejohn-davidge: will miss you :-(15:04
mlavallewe will split your beers between haleyb and me ;-)15:04
haleybmmm, beer :)15:05
john-davidgemlavalle: Haha, as long as you don't send me the cheque15:05
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mlavalleAny other announcements?15:05
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mlavalle#topic Bugs15:07
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mlavalleFirst up today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/162742415:07
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1627424 in neutron "FlushError on IPAllocation" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)15:07
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mlavallethanks to haleyb for the review to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452501/15:08
mlavallekevinbenton also reviewed it and asked a question. it is easy to answer, so I expect this to move ahead15:08
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mlavalleI will take care of it later today15:09
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mlavalleNext up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/161048315:10
openstackLaunchpad bug 1610483 in neutron "Pluggable IPAM rollback mechanism is not robust" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Aliaksandr Dziarkach (aliaksandr-dziarkach)15:10
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mlavalleWe got a response from johnbelamaric to the email I sent him last week15:10
mlavalleshared it with haleyb15:10
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mlavallehaleyb: I say let's have a conversation with kevinbenton in Boston as to what a real solution would look like15:11
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haleybmlavalle: sounds good15:12
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mlavalleif we can come up with a good solution, I am willing to implement it15:12
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mlavallebut before attempting anything, I would like to have a clear vision of where we want to get15:12
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mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/150900415:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1509004 in neutron ""test_dualnet_dhcp6_stateless_from_os" failures seen in the gate" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to James Anziano (janzian)15:14
mlavalleSo I spent time this morning looking at this one15:14
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mlavalleFound 0 hits in Kibana over the past 7 days15:14
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mlavallewhich is consistent with what I found two weeks ago15:15
mlavalleI even left a note in the bug15:15
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mlavalleso I am going to keep an eye on it over the next few days and if I don't see it again, I'll close it15:15
mlavalleany comments?15:16
mlavalleAny other bugs from the team?15:17
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mlavalleok, moving on15:17
mlavalle#topic Routed Networks15:18
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mlavallehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1667329 got approved during the last drivers meeting15:19
openstackLaunchpad bug 1667329 in neutron "[RFE] Floating IP Subnets on Routed Provider Networks" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge)15:19
mlavalleand john-davidge is working on a spec15:19
mlavalleanything else to comment here?15:20
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mlavalleok, moving on15:20
mlavalle#topic DNS15:20
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mlavalleAlso the drivers team approved https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/165067815:21
openstackLaunchpad bug 1650678 in neutron "[RFE] Allow specifying dns_domain when creating a port" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)15:21
mlavalleI have started implementing it15:21
mlavalleI will write a series of 3 or patches to make it easier to review15:21
mlavalleI have started the first one and will push it soon15:21
mlavalle#topic Open Agenda15:22
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mlavalleAny other topics we shoud discuss today?15:22
haleybgate job update merged15:22
haleybgate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-ha-multinode-full-ubuntu-xenial-nv is now the default tempest multinode job15:23
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mlavalleThanks haleyb for letting us know15:23
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haleybI haven't looked at the grafana page to see how it's doing, but it was passing when i looked15:24
mlavalle++15:24
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haleybsometimes i see a block migration test failure, but that's not related from what i can tell15:25
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haleybthat's all i had15:26
mlavalleThanks you for the update15:26
mlavalleok team, thanks for attending15:27
mlavalleTalk to you next week!15:27
mlavalle#endmeeting15:27
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cdent#startmeeting api_wg16:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 13 16:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'api_wg'16:00
elmikoheyo/16:00
edleafe\o16:00
cdent#chair cdent elmiko edleafe16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: cdent edleafe elmiko16:00
cdent#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda16:00
* dtantsur lurks as he's in 2 more meetings16:00
elmikooof16:00
cdent#link last meeting notes http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-04-06-16.00.html16:01
cdent#topic old biz16:01
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cdentelmiko to continue thinking about how to discuss and formulate what we do16:01
cdentthat appears to be on the agenda for the opens, so that's a good start16:01
cdentelmiko and cdent to decide (with input from everyone) about how to do summit16:01
elmikoscore!16:01
* cdent looks at elmiko and shrinks16:02
elmikoi did think about it too, but that's more difficult to capture16:02
elmikowithout maybe a blog post /me looks at edleafe16:02
cdentI don't reckon I did anything in that regard16:02
elmikofor me it kinda breaks down into a couple issues16:02
edleafeme neither16:02
elmiko1. staying true to the original intent16:02
elmiko2. growing the group16:02
edleafe3. free bagels16:03
elmikoif we stick 1, then there is a clear end-line for the group16:03
elmikooh wait, i vote #316:03
elmikocan we add that to our mission?16:03
edleafeelmiko: Not unless we also add lox and cream cheese16:03
cdentwe have bagels here every week (real ones from new york), did you not know?16:04
elmikoedleafe: you are so talking my language16:04
* elmiko wants bagels16:04
cdentI guess it is safe to say16:05
* edleafe gets serious again16:05
cdent#topic new biz and opens16:05
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elmikoanyways, bagel talk aside, i think the best way to discuss if we should grow or not, or expand the mission is probably best left for a face-to-face16:05
edleafeWe need to define the "original intent" clearly enough that it attracts new blood16:05
elmikoor emails or something, it's a big topic to unpack16:05
elmikofor me at least16:05
elmikoedleafe: yeah, i'm not sure that's possible if it's just "guidelines"16:05
elmikootoh, keeping it the way it is gives the group a finite mission. which can also be desirable16:06
cdentwe could follow the time honoured tradition of pushing a review of the mission and chatting in gerrit but I'm not sure that would capture the full breadth and depth of things16:06
elmikoyeah, i don't think it would16:06
edleafeLet's have a meeting about that, but we might first need a pre-meeting to refine the topic16:06
cdentfor me the thing that start this was the assertion that guidelines were both the activity and the goal16:06
cdentedleafe: please speak with my pa to set that up16:07
elmikolol16:07
edleafeThe guidelines are the means to reach the goal, which is a better API experience for consumers of OpenStack16:07
elmikothat's a good way to put it16:08
cdentafter the amount of time and effort put into the interoperability guideline and the amount of questions it opened, I'm less concerned about any finite lifetime than I used to be. There's loads left to do.16:09
edleafeNow we have to worry about *our* finite lifetimes16:10
elmikoi guess what i'm driving at with that is the notion that the guidelines could eventually be mostly done16:10
cdent'xactly16:10
elmikohaha16:10
cdentelmiko: yeah, I no longer really think the guidelines are that close to done, and even if they were, going back to the oldest one and starting over again is a useful activity16:10
elmikolike, i can envision a situation where we have most cases covered for openstack and *have* improved the api experience for consumers16:10
elmikocdent: fair16:10
cdenton that front: we rarely talk to consumers, so until we do, we don't really know that much with any confidence16:11
elmikomaybe there is a possibility for growth, community outreach to our "customers" as it were16:11
elmikoalthough, is there another wg that does that?16:12
cdentsome people have recommended that we speak more and more often with the interop wg and product wg (and probaby others)16:12
edleafeThat sounds like a forum thing16:13
elmikoi think that makes good sense when we consider the idea of improving the api for consumers16:13
cdentyes and yes16:13
elmikobut, it also makes me wonder what is our tool for improving the experience when we acknowledge that the guidelines are opt-in?16:14
* elmiko still wants to avoid becoming the api police16:14
elmikoi guess the tags will be helpful in this regard16:15
cdentto some extent16:15
cdentbut if you put on this api-police hat, we might make progress more quickly16:16
* cdent gives elmiko a very nice hat16:16
* edleafe wants a spiffy uniform to go with it16:16
cdenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU16:17
elmikoLOL16:17
edleafehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHVI5fAzWq016:18
cdentSo, perhaps the next step on this topic is for elmiko and I to speak to whomever is willing to chat while at forum, and get a feel for the lay of the land.16:18
elmikocdent: i'm good with that16:18
cdent#action elmiko and cdent prepare to chat about the future at forum16:18
elmikoedleafe: oh man, that link16:19
cdentokay16:19
cdentany other new biz or open discussion? anyone else here besides elmiko, edleafe and lurking dtantsur ?16:20
cdent#topic guidelines16:21
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cdent#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z16:21
cdent#link pagination https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446716/16:22
cdentthat currently has only one +1 so I guess it is difficult to call it ready16:22
* cdent quickly reviews it16:22
edleafeYeah, I was gonna ask you guys to review that soon16:22
elmikoack, i'll take a look now16:22
cdent#link interoperability https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421846/16:24
cdentonly has one +1 as well, but has been through so many rounds now...16:24
cdentdtantsur: did my cleanups satsify you enough?16:25
dtantsurcdent, did not have a chance to check, sorry :(16:25
cdent#link correct method for http tags https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451536/16:25
dtantsurETOOMANYTHINGSTODO16:25
edleafeI think that those rounds of butting heads has at least aired a lot of the important views on this16:25
cdentthat one looks definitely ready to freeze, so I will16:25
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* dtantsur will try to quickly check today before going on PTO16:25
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elmikoi love this addition, "These definitions assume that client code is written to follow the16:26
elmikostandards of HTTP."16:26
cdentthanks dtantsur16:26
edleafeelmiko: yeah, that's just crazy talk16:27
elmikohaha, right16:27
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cdentwere you still thinking about doing the other guideline spawned from the interoperatbility, edleafe ?16:35
cdentelmiko: long road16:35
edleafecdent: yeah, I could16:36
edleafeI'm about to leave for a long weekend though16:36
cdenti don't think there's any rush is there?16:36
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edleafeSo as with the functional tests, remind me next week16:36
edleafeThe rush is my increasingly fleeting memory16:36
cdentya16:36
dtantsurfunctional tests?16:36
cdent#topic bug review16:36
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cdentdtantsur: nova resource tracker stuff16:36
cdent#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg16:37
dtantsurah ok16:37
cdentno new bugs16:37
cdentdtantsur: because edleafe is getting on a bit in age, he needs help from others to remember things for him16:37
cdentunfortunately he's chosen me and I think I'm pretty much as old as he is16:37
elmikoouch, savage!16:38
cdentedleafe: maybe we should get dtantsur to remember?16:38
elmikocould we add biting sarcasm to the mission statement?16:38
cdenthe's already said he's not got enough to do16:38
edleafeHey, cdent, get off my lawn!16:38
dtantsurWUT?16:38
* dtantsur hides16:38
elmikoi feel like we could produce copious quantities16:38
cdentpossible because of all that aforementioned trust16:39
elmikohaha, true dat16:39
cdent#topic weekly newsletter16:39
*** openstack changes topic to "weekly newsletter (Meeting topic: api_wg)"16:39
dtantsurapi-wg: sarcasm as a service \o/16:39
cdent#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter16:39
elmikoi can take it this week16:39
cdentelmiko: woot16:39
cdentdtantsur: saas is perfect16:39
elmikolol16:40
elmikocan we get the logo designers to invite a "snarkhog" ?16:40
elmikos/invite/invent/16:40
edleafePeople would pay to have SaaS *un*installed16:40
elmikoLOL16:40
elmikooh man, i know what business i need to be in16:40
dtantsurlol16:41
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elmikocdent: just to be clear, we are feezing pagination and interop?16:41
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elmikofreezing.. sigh, /me needs the long weekend16:41
cdentand https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451536/16:41
elmikothanks16:41
cdentnext week I have an internal meeting that overlaps this one, so while I'll be here, somebody else probably ought to run it16:42
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elmikook, i should be able to run it16:43
cdenthurrah16:43
* cdent moves some links around on newsletter16:44
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cdentoh, question about future linkage on the newsletter. when we link in a published guideline do you think we should link to the review or the actually published thing at specs.openstack.org?16:47
edleafecdent: if it's the published one, then the s.o.o one would be best16:48
cdent16:48
cdentI don't think we've done that in the past, but I agree we should.16:48
elmikoagreed16:48
edleafea review can always be superseded16:48
elmikotell me how that paragraph looks16:48
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cdent#agreed when publishing links to published guidelines use specs.openstack.org16:49
elmikocdent: thanks for fixing the freeze links16:49
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cdentparagraph looks good to me16:50
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elmikoif edleafe has no objections, i'll ship it16:51
edleafeNone from me16:51
cdentyeah, ship it16:51
elmikocool, thanks!16:51
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cdentno, thank you16:52
cdentanyone else have anything they'd like to say or report? or shall we call it a day?16:53
elmikonothing from me16:53
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cdentthank you and goodnight16:53
cdent#endmeeting16:53
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"16:53
openstackMeeting ended Thu Apr 13 16:53:51 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:53
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elmikothanks cdent !16:54
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cdentbit laggy there meetbot, hope you're feeling okay16:54
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SumitNaiksatamtbachman: hi18:00
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: hi!18:00
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SumitNaiksatamigordcard: hi18:00
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: FYI — I’ll have to jump off in about 20-25 mins18:00
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: np at all, hopefully a very short one today18:01
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: ack18:01
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SumitNaiksatam#startmeeting networking_policy18:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 13 18:01:55 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy'18:01
SumitNaiksatamstill continuing with some of the pending items18:02
SumitNaiksatam#info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#April_13th.2C_March_30th.2C_23rd_201718:02
SumitNaiksatamlast week we added a new tag for the mitaka and newton stable releases18:02
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SumitNaiksatamthe OpenStack stable/mitaka branches are being EoL’ed, but we have users for mitaka and we are actively maintaining this branch18:03
SumitNaiksatamso we wont eol stable/mitaka18:03
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SumitNaiksatamthe QoS patch has been long pending and that is next in line to merge18:04
SumitNaiksatam#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42643618:04
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SumitNaiksatamwas looking for rkukura to check if he feels his comments have been addressed18:05
SumitNaiksatamother than that there are the NFP patches on review for a long time18:05
SumitNaiksatambut i dont think songole is here either18:06
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SumitNaiksatami didnt have much beyond this to discuss :-)18:06
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: looks like we can call it wraps right away18:07
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: ack18:08
tbachman:)18:08
SumitNaiksatamtbachman: thanks for joining18:08
SumitNaiksatambye!18:08
SumitNaiksatam#endmeeting18:08
tbachmanSumitNaiksatam: np. See you next week!18:08
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SumitNaiksatamtbachman: looking forward to it18:08
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