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| soichi | hi | 05:32 |
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| soichi | #startmeeting taas | 05:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 14 05:33:48 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is soichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'taas' | 05:33 |
| soichi | hi | 05:33 |
| kaz | hi | 05:33 |
| soichi | #topic (yamamoto) I updated "TaaS Review Inbox" link on the wiki. Please let me know if it has any | 05:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "(yamamoto) I updated "TaaS Review Inbox" link on the wiki. Please let me know if it has any (Meeting topic: taas)" | 05:34 | |
| yamamoto_ | hi | 05:34 |
| soichi | yamamoto_: hi | 05:35 |
| soichi | i think TaaS Review Inbox works fine. | 05:35 |
| yamamoto_ | thank you | 05:35 |
| yamamoto_ | in case you're interested in what was changed, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473207/ | 05:35 |
| soichi | thank you for your information | 05:36 |
| reedip | Hi | 05:38 |
| kaz | yamamoto_: what is this link? | 05:38 |
| soichi | reedip: hi | 05:38 |
| yamamoto_ | kaz: gerrit-dash-creator is a tool to create gerrit query. it has a set of dashboard definitions, including taas. does this answer your question? | 05:40 |
| kaz | yamamoto_: i see. thank you. | 05:40 |
| soichi | #topic Open Discussion | 05:41 |
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| reedip | CFP for Sydney is open | 05:44 |
| soichi | Call for Presentations for OpenStack Summit Sydney: deadline: July 14th | 05:44 |
| soichi | #link: https://www.openstack.org/summit-login/login?BackURL=%2Fsummit%2Fsydney-2017%2Fcall-for-presentations%2F | 05:44 |
| soichi | do you have any plan? | 05:45 |
| yamamoto_ | are you going to submit something? | 05:45 |
| yamamoto_ | i have no plan right now | 05:45 |
| reedip | not from my side either | 05:45 |
| soichi | kaz: will you retry submit a presentation? submit to the operatoer's track? | 05:47 |
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| kaz | i have no idea. | 05:47 |
| soichi | okay. i think we need to consider how we can appeal taas for the OpenSatck community | 05:49 |
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| soichi | also how to increase TaaS users | 05:51 |
| yamamoto_ | i guess we should do our homework as well | 05:52 |
| yamamoto_ | reedip: are you still working on l2 agent extension stuff? | 05:52 |
| reedip | not right now yamatoto | 05:52 |
| yamamoto_ | ok | 05:52 |
| reedip | not right now yamamoto * | 05:52 |
| reedip | If someone wants to take it up , then ok . I am currently working on some other things, I might take it up next month if no one is taking it | 05:53 |
| soichi | do you have another topic? | 05:57 |
| yamamoto_ | nothing from me | 05:58 |
| soichi | thanks, see you next week | 06:00 |
| soichi | #closemeeting | 06:00 |
| soichi | #endmeeting | 06:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 14 06:00:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-06-14-05.33.html | 06:00 |
| yamamoto_ | bye | 06:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-06-14-05.33.txt | 06:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-06-14-05.33.log.html | 06:00 |
| soichi | bye | 06:00 |
| kaz | bye | 06:00 |
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| prometheanfire | #startmeeting requirements | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 14 15:00:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is prometheanfire. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 15:00 |
| prometheanfire | #topic rollcall | 15:00 |
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| prometheanfire | o/ | 15:01 |
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| prometheanfire | gonna wait another min | 15:04 |
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| prometheanfire | ok, ending | 15:10 |
| prometheanfire | #endmeeting | 15:10 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 14 15:10:48 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-06-14-15.00.html | 15:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-06-14-15.00.txt | 15:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-06-14-15.00.log.html | 15:10 |
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| markvoelker | #startmeeting interopwg | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 14 16:01:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markvoelker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'interopwg' | 16:01 |
| eglute | o/ | 16:01 |
| markvoelker | o/ | 16:01 |
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| markvoelker | #chair eglute hogepodge | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropVertigo.4 Today's Agenda | 16:02 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 16:02 |
| zhipeng | o/ | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | Please take a quick look at today's agenda and amend as necessary | 16:02 |
| markvoelker | #topic Denver PTG | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Denver PTG (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:03 | |
| markvoelker | The next PTG is in Denver, Colorado, USA September 11-15 | 16:04 |
| eglute | As last PTG, we will be sharing a room with RefStack. Time to book hotel room if you are coming! | 16:04 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 16:04 |
| eglute | Interop/RefStack will be Monday/Tuesday | 16:04 |
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| markvoelker | If you're considering attending, you can find all the info you need at: | 16:04 |
| markvoelker | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg Main PTG site | 16:04 |
| mguiney | o/ | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | See also hotel block here: | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | #link http://www.marriott.com/meeting-event-hotels/group-corporate-travel/groupCorp.mi?resLinkData=the%20OpenStack%20Project%20Teams%20Gathering%5Edensa%60fntfnta%60149.00%60USD%60false%604%609/7/17%609/19/17%608/20/17&app=resvlink&stop_mobi=yes Hotel block for PTG | 16:05 |
| markvoelker | Any questions/comments on the PTG? | 16:05 |
| hogepodge | There will also be a board meeting the Sunday prior to the PTG, and you may want to plan accordingly if you want to attend that. | 16:05 |
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| markvoelker | Ok, hearing nothing further, let's move on | 16:07 |
| markvoelker | #topic 2017.08 Guideline | 16:07 |
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| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467493/ non-admin token validation test | 16:07 |
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| mguiney | heh. sorry, just saw a tiny typo error that was causing pep8 failute | 16:08 |
| mguiney | *falure | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | No worries. =) Anything we need to discuss on this? Looks like it's just waiting for reviews. | 16:08 |
| markvoelker | Ok, moving on to: | 16:09 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467528/ catalog standardization test | 16:10 |
| markvoelker | THis is one we had decided was probably too early for 2017.08 but we'd mention in the BoD meeting | 16:10 |
| mguiney | yep, still working on that. | 16:10 |
| markvoelker | OK then, that just leaves us with this: | 16:11 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472848/ Create 2017.08 Guideline | 16:11 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker for creating it. looks like i left out moving one capability to required | 16:12 |
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| markvoelker | eglute: Ok, I can push a new patcheset to correct that. | 16:13 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker | 16:13 |
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| markvoelker | Anything else? If not, I think this just needs folks to review. Should be pretty straightforward, and even after we land it, it can be patched until the BoD meeting. | 16:14 |
| eglute | no, looks good to me | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | OK then, I'll get the new patchset up today and we'll see if we can land it. | 16:15 |
| markvoelker | #action markvoelker respond to comment on 2018.07 patch | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | Anything else on 2017.08? | 16:16 |
| markvoelker | #topic ML Discussion on Tempest tests, plugins, etc | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ML Discussion on Tempest tests, plugins, etc (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:17 | |
| markvoelker | Last week we mentioned that there are some discussions about Tempest and test locations on the ML's, and new interop programs were brought up | 16:17 |
| markvoelker | There seemed to be some lack of clarity about what we were thinking, so I volunteered to take a stab at writing up what we're thinking about for the vertical and add-on programs | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | I did that here: | 16:18 |
| Rockyg | Thanks for doing that. | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472785/ Create rough draft of extension programs | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | And sent it out to the ML's here: | 16:18 |
| markvoelker | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118182.html ML message about future interop programs | 16:19 |
| eglute | thank you markvoelker! | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | There's been a little bit of feedback so far, but I'd specifically like to invite the rest of you to chime in on gerrit if there are things you want to discuss in the draft | 16:19 |
| markvoelker | (or if you just want to make fun of my terrible diagrams) | 16:20 |
| eglute | i will re-review again, but after reading it once it looked good to me | 16:20 |
| eglute | markvoelker i imagine once we go forward with this foundation will have someone create new diagrams as needed | 16:20 |
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| markvoelker | Good heavens, I sure hope so...I am many things, but a graphic artist isn't one of them. =) Still, I thought having a rough sketch would be helpful for understanding. | 16:21 |
| eglute | heheh i think those diagrams are great! | 16:22 |
| eglute | :D | 16:22 |
| eglute | there is a board meeting next week | 16:22 |
| eglute | and i would like us to present the draft to the board, if you think it is ready for that | 16:23 |
| eglute | just so they can review it before it is presented for final aproval | 16:23 |
| Rockyg | maybe we should ask the tc for a tc meeting to discuss? | 16:23 |
| Rockyg | or ask on the dev ml? | 16:23 |
| markvoelker | Sure--although I am traveling next week and may or may not be able to join the call. Will need to check schedule. | 16:23 |
| eglute | Rockyg it was already sent to the dev mailing list, as well as ops | 16:24 |
| eglute | markvoelker ok, we can discuss offline regarding your schedule | 16:25 |
| Rockyg | I know the initial mail was, but I'm wondering if we should do more to get the tc involved. | 16:25 |
| markvoelker | Rockyg: I know at least some of the TC folks are aware of it (cdent chimed in on IRC the other day), so if the TC would like to discuss it they're welcome to. I expect they'll let us know if they'd like to discuss in a meeting and have us be there to take questions (and I'm happy to do so). | 16:25 |
| Rockyg | Thanks. | 16:26 |
| markvoelker | And Sean McGinnis actually commented in gerrit too, which is great. | 16:26 |
| eglute | great suggestions Rockyg! and thanks markvoelker for following up on all the comments | 16:27 |
| Rockyg | Figure we should give the TCs at least a couple of weeks ;-) | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | Ok, anything else on this to discuss today? | 16:27 |
| markvoelker | Ok, moving on... | 16:28 |
| eglute | we need more reviews on this, otherwise, no :) | 16:29 |
| Rockyg | yup | 16:29 |
| markvoelker | #action everyone please review new programs draft | 16:29 |
| markvoelker | #topic 2.0 Schema | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "2.0 Schema (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:29 | |
| markvoelker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430556/ Initial work on 2.0 schema | 16:30 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge has picked up work on this again and I've been working through it in conjuction with the extension program draft | 16:30 |
| eglute | thank you hogepodge | 16:31 |
| eglute | i have not had a chance to look at the newest patch! | 16:31 |
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| hogepodge | Yes, I need reviews to make sure I'm not missing anything, or don't have any glaring errors | 16:31 |
| * eglute looking now | 16:31 | |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: I've got a couple of suggestions that I'm working through mentally locally while setting out the add-on and vertical program definitions | 16:31 |
| hogepodge | suggestions, etc. It's a dense patch | 16:31 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: cool. | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | I Think I just need to get in a couple more cycles on those and then push them up in gerrit | 16:32 |
| markvoelker | Overall though I think it captures the essence of what we need | 16:32 |
| hogepodge | I'd like to get cranking on a schema and conversion of existing guidelines as soon as possible, in part to help refstack | 16:32 |
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| hogepodge | yeah | 16:32 |
| hogepodge | should match up with the extensions doc you sent up last week too | 16:32 |
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| markvoelker | hogepodge: Also, one question that crossed my mind this week...assuming we get it done in time, do we want 2017.08 in 2.0 format? | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | We can cross that bridge if/when we come to it, but just occurred to me last week that it might be ready in time. | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | I suspect not though, b/c we need to give RefStack time to adjust too.... | 16:33 |
| markvoelker | I'm open to suggestion though. =) | 16:34 |
| hogepodge | I'd like us to transition as quickly as possible, but only if we feel ready. | 16:34 |
| eglute | if we want to ask for approval for new programs in august, then we would need to | 16:34 |
| eglute | but | 16:34 |
| eglute | we can ask for approval in september board meeting | 16:34 |
| hogepodge | eglute: +1, yes, I'd like something to be available for that too | 16:34 |
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| eglute | if we aim for september approval, then no need to rush 2017.08 update | 16:35 |
| markvoelker | Ok, let's see how far we can get and we'll make a decision as we get close to time | 16:35 |
| Rockyg | Wouldn't a new program be advisory for 2017.08 no matter what? | 16:35 |
| markvoelker | In the meantime: | 16:36 |
| hogepodge | Rockyg: yes, the plan is advisory in August and possibly required in January (for extensions) | 16:36 |
| markvoelker | #action everyone review schema 2.0 patch | 16:36 |
| eglute | Rockyg yes, new program would be advisory, but we can also have a 2017.09 guideline. no restrictions on how many guidelines per year | 16:36 |
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| hogepodge | Please, be extremely critical. I want it to be correct. | 16:36 |
| Rockyg | Ah, true. Thanks, eglute | 16:36 |
| hogepodge | We don't get a second chance at our second chance. :-D | 16:36 |
| markvoelker | OK, anything else on this? | 16:37 |
| eglute | hogepodge we just increase the number and call it a new chance ;) | 16:37 |
| Rockyg | 2.1 | 16:37 |
| Rockyg | or would it be 2.0.1?) | 16:38 |
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| markvoelker | #topic Mandatory submission of test results | 16:38 |
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| markvoelker | I think the bullets in the etherpad say it all, but does anyone want to walk us through this one? | 16:39 |
| markvoelker | (I didn't add this item to the agenda =p) | 16:39 |
| eglute | i copied over from last week's agenda | 16:40 |
| eglute | it is one item we didnt get to discuss in Boston | 16:40 |
| eglute | I think we need to work on making test results required | 16:40 |
| hogepodge | I don't know if I should lead it, but I can make my argument. | 16:40 |
| markvoelker | I'll take a stab at it then: | 16:41 |
| eglute | go for it hogepodge | 16:41 |
| hogepodge | It's extremely easy to falsify test results. Keeping the output of the test run allows for forensics in case something is wrong. | 16:41 |
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| markvoelker | Basically we've been discussing making it mandatory that vendors submit results of all tests to RefStack rather than just required ones | 16:41 |
| hogepodge | Ah, I guess I have a different view of the topic. :-P | 16:41 |
| markvoelker | One benefit being that we get more data about what's supported and not across products | 16:41 |
| zhipeng | do we certify on all tests as well ? | 16:42 |
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| Rockyg | zhipeng, no. Just the guidelines | 16:42 |
| eglute | zhipeng no, we would certify only on required tests. | 16:42 |
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| markvoelker | Right, the idea here was just that when we're considering including a new test in the next Guideline, we could go see that "wow, half of vendors who are currently OpenStack Powered failed that test, maybe we should look at it a little closer..." | 16:43 |
| eglute | yeah, that would be great if we had that data | 16:43 |
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| markvoelker | Another requirement we'd been discussing was what hogepodge was just alluding to, though I think we hadn't decided exactly what artifacts we'd expect to be submitted | 16:45 |
| markvoelker | (hogepodge maybe you remember better than me?) | 16:45 |
| hogepodge | the testrepository data | 16:45 |
| hogepodge | or the tempest.conf (without the accounts.yaml) | 16:45 |
| hogepodge | both were discussed | 16:46 |
| annegentle | o/ heyo super late since I was double-booked, need to read scrollback :) | 16:47 |
| * eglute waves to annegentle | 16:48 | |
| Rockyg | hogepodge, what's the most likely ways the tests are gamed and what do we need to identify that? | 16:48 |
| hogepodge | Rockyg: anyone can just send up a json list of passed tests and get a passing result, without actually running the tests | 16:49 |
| hogepodge | it's a major design flaw of the program, imo | 16:49 |
| markvoelker | Rockyg: I think that's hard to pin down...at the end of the day we're talking about plaintext files that can be falsified with any text editor. | 16:49 |
| hogepodge | having the testrepository data makes generation of the json file independently verifiable | 16:50 |
| markvoelker | We've relied mostly on legalese (in the trademark agreement) and community policing in the past | 16:50 |
| hogepodge | (by the foundation) | 16:50 |
| hogepodge | it also helps with debugging (I get a lot of requests about "why is my cloud not passing?") | 16:50 |
| Rockyg | i bet ;-) | 16:50 |
| eglute | i think we have sufficient reasons to want all the results | 16:51 |
| eglute | what would need to update to start asking for them? | 16:51 |
| hogepodge | for example, one vendor sent in results where they modified tempest to remove a skip decorator. My conversations with them would have been a lot easier if I could see that the test actually ran in the output. | 16:51 |
| Rockyg | So, what's the average size of the data set? would we ccompress it or??? | 16:51 |
| markvoelker | Right, there were some concerns about what might be exposed there...e.g. passwords (in the configs) or sensitive stuff in the logs | 16:51 |
| hogepodge | I can't speak to that in this meeting, but it's a text file. | 16:52 |
| markvoelker | I think those are solvable | 16:52 |
| hogepodge | if a password is exposed it's a tempest bug | 16:52 |
| markvoelker | We probably just need to have somebody play point on pinning that stuff down and putting together a proposal | 16:52 |
| Rockyg | I remember back a ways where refstack discussed stripping sensitive info before send full results. | 16:52 |
| hogepodge | data would not be publicly available, and access to the database would be controlled by the infra team in the same way that all sensitive data is managed (with refstack entrypoints for foundation users) | 16:52 |
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| Rockyg | We might even have the bundler code in the refstack repo | 16:53 |
| Rockyg | So, insead of a jason file, the testrun log was expected to be sent. | 16:53 |
| markvoelker | hogepodge: would you be willing draft up a proposal on this so we can move toward ironing out details and formalizing it? | 16:54 |
| hogepodge | markvoelker: sure | 16:55 |
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| markvoelker | #action hogepodge to work on drafting a proposal on what data we should require vendors to submit | 16:55 |
| annegentle | hogepodge you're the man! | 16:55 |
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| eglute | thank you hogepodge! | 16:55 |
| markvoelker | Ok, anything else on this topic today? | 16:56 |
| eglute | not from me! | 16:56 |
| markvoelker | #topic Vertical programs | 16:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vertical programs (Meeting topic: interopwg)" | 16:56 | |
| markvoelker | Just a couple of minutes left, so I'll keep it short | 16:56 |
| markvoelker | See above for link to draft of vertical programs | 16:57 |
| markvoelker | In the meantime, to get something a little more concrete we need to start putting together a very preliminary list of capabilities for an NFV program | 16:57 |
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| markvoelker | This is basically just a first pass, so we can flush out some of the real issues and figure out how to deal with them | 16:58 |
| markvoelker | If anyone wants to help with that, let me know. | 16:58 |
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| markvoelker | And with that we're down to just a minute left...any last words folks? | 16:59 |
| eglute | thanks markvoelker, i will re-read it again | 16:59 |
| eglute | thanks everyone! | 16:59 |
| eglute | and thanks markvoelker for writing up add-ons/vertical programs draft | 16:59 |
| hogepodge | thanks everyone! | 16:59 |
| Rockyg | thanks and review! I will do it now | 16:59 |
| markvoelker | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 14 17:00:06 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-06-14-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-06-14-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/interopwg/2017/interopwg.2017-06-14-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| mguiney | have a good day, all! | 17:00 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 14 20:00:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 20:00 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 20:00 |
| ying_zuo | o/ | 20:00 |
| ducttape_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 20:00 |
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| robcresswell | Hi everyone | 20:00 |
| choyj | o/ | 20:01 |
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| robcresswell | We've an empty agenda again :) | 20:01 |
| e0ne | so I've got a chance to ask a question today:) | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | I don't have any notices either, other than Pike-2 was tagged and released last week. There's also been a few more stable backports, so I'll tag new stables too. | 20:02 |
| robcresswell | #topic Open Discussion | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 20:02 | |
| robcresswell | If you have any questions, blueprints, bugs, patches, feel free to ask | 20:02 |
| e0ne | I'll appreciate any feedback on my thread in openstack-dev: Poorly Pagination UX | 20:03 |
| e0ne | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118352.html | 20:03 |
| rdopiera | o/ | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | e0ne: I disagree with the assessment that they "can't be fixed" | 20:03 |
| david-lyle | e0ne, I think the long and the short is without something like searchlight it won't get better | 20:04 |
| rdopiera | I have a question about the federation and regions | 20:04 |
| rdopiera | How stable is that feature, actually? Has anybody been using it? | 20:04 |
| e0ne | robcresswell: it's good | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | Its just not a trivial solution, because the delete is done via client side and ajax iirc, while the page (with back/next) is generated by the server | 20:04 |
| robcresswell | So they get out of sync | 20:04 |
| ducttape_ | until the apis have robust paging support, horizon will continue to be in trouble. searchlight could have fixed that | 20:05 |
| e0ne | robcresswell: if I understand correct, deletion causes full page reload | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | e0ne: Oh, does it? I can't remember off the top of my head | 20:05 |
| david-lyle | rdopiera, federation and regions? | 20:05 |
| ducttape_ | rdopiera: federation and regions??? more details please | 20:05 |
| robcresswell | Hang on, lets talk pagination first. | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | get out of my head ducttape_ | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | Too much crosstalk. | 20:06 |
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| rdopiera | So Horizn has this AVAILABLE_REGIONS feature, where you can have several Keystone addresses defined | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | pagination, you're stuck | 20:06 |
| david-lyle | end of story | 20:06 |
| rdopiera | and then you can switch between them in the UI | 20:06 |
| e0ne | robcresswell: I don't have working env now, but it did GET and re-load all js files after delete call on my fresh devstack today | 20:06 |
| e0ne | david-lyle: :) | 20:06 |
| ducttape_ | yeah, not much to do to really fix paging. says the inside of david-lyle's head | 20:06 |
| robcresswell | e0ne: Basically; those bugs can be fixed. I've done it locally with angular. The logic isn't terribly nice, and its a big change from what we have now. | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | It also has to be done on a per-API basis because they all do things differently | 20:07 |
| rdopiera | and then it has web sso, which lets you share the logins between those multiple keystones | 20:07 |
| e0ne | robcresswell: could you please submit that code to the gerrit? | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | You *also* have to do a lot of the tracking yourself as the next/prev links aren't reliable from the API (they often show up even if "next" is empty, for example) | 20:07 |
| robcresswell | e0ne: It wasn't part of Horizon, totally separate investigation. | 20:08 |
| ducttape_ | rdopiera It's been a couple of years, but that multi region / login thing was kind of working for a deployment we had | 20:08 |
| e0ne | robcresswell: TBH, I don't know how to fix everything with current APIs without additional API calls | 20:09 |
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| ducttape_ | I would not be shocked if the multi region login thing is partially broken right now, as I'm not sure if anyone is still using it | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | rdopiera, if you're wanting federated keystone between those regions that went in two cycles ago, should work | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | if you're wanting separate logins, that should work still too | 20:09 |
| david-lyle | but the UX is different | 20:09 |
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| rdopiera | david-lyle: I think they want common logins | 20:10 |
| ducttape_ | so why not just have multi region and single login rdopiera??? | 20:10 |
| david-lyle | I suppose you could set multiple REGIONS and use federation | 20:11 |
| rdopiera | ducttape_: I have no idea, I didn't even KNOW about this feature until they came to me asking how stable it is :) | 20:11 |
| rdopiera | so I promised to ask upstream | 20:11 |
| robcresswell | e0ne: This is what I mean; its not an easy solution :) | 20:11 |
| rdopiera | and here I am | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | but the intended usage was provide a keystone REGION then your service catalog will contain the endpoints for the other federated keystones | 20:11 |
| ducttape_ | here we all are. indeed. ;) | 20:11 |
| david-lyle | when you login, then you will get a drop down of other keystones to switch to | 20:12 |
| e0ne | robcresswell: I'm glad to help with it if you share your ideas | 20:12 |
| e0ne | robcresswell: here is a case what I can't resolve for now: http://paste.openstack.org/show/612591/ | 20:12 |
| lucasxu | rdopiera: I was using the keystone federation plugin | 20:13 |
| lucasxu | it works well | 20:13 |
| robcresswell | e0ne: The only sensible way to do that is probably to drop on to the first page after a refresh :/ | 20:13 |
| rdopiera | thanks you all for the feedback | 20:13 |
| rdopiera | thank you* | 20:13 |
| david-lyle | rdopiera, I think you're mixing two ways of using multiple keystones which is confusing things | 20:14 |
| e0ne | robcresswell: it's a bad idea from UX perspective if you've got a lot of pages :( | 20:14 |
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| rdopiera | david-lyle: it's possible I simply didn't understand what they are doing | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | e0ne: You shouldnt be trying to manipulating large amounts of data by paging through it. Use filtering. | 20:14 |
| rdopiera | david-lyle: I will try to clarify | 20:14 |
| rdopiera | david-lyle: thanks for the hints | 20:14 |
| robcresswell | Or up the page size. But going to page 10 to get something done is not productive. | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | robcresswell, e0ne I think storing the previous page marker in the session is what you would want | 20:15 |
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| david-lyle | you can store previous markers and page back | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | if back is all you want | 20:15 |
| david-lyle | but it's baggage to carry around | 20:16 |
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| robcresswell | Yeah, the only option would be to load the page, check its [], then load the page before | 20:16 |
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| e0ne | or the next page | 20:17 |
| e0ne | but in corner case, we still will get [] :( | 20:17 |
| david-lyle | you should get an API error if you ask for a missing marker, no? | 20:17 |
| e0ne | david-lyle: that's what is supposed to be | 20:17 |
| robcresswell | david-lyle: No, most APIs will return a Next link for an empty page. | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | Cinder definitely does this. | 20:18 |
| robcresswell | I think I have bug open for it | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | an empty result with a next link? | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | *result set | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | how does it know what next is? | 20:18 |
| david-lyle | if you're asking for a missing ID? | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | So if I'm looking at page of items 5 - 10, with marker 4 (the last item in the previous page) | 20:19 |
| e0ne | it depends on your pagination order: we need prev or next link | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | And I deleted 5 - 10 | 20:19 |
| rdopiera | hmm, there are prev and next links already | 20:19 |
| rdopiera | you have to genereate them for the page | 20:19 |
| robcresswell | and I request 1 - 4, for example, I'll get a "next" link even though there is nothing there | 20:19 |
| ducttape_ | if you are going to have partially supported pagination apis underneath the UI, this seems pretty futile to have a consistent pagination experience | 20:20 |
| rdopiera | so we don't need to store the last marker | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | Because the "next" link is always the last item on your current page, not the first item on the next one. | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | yeah, I gave up on pagination 4+ years ago in OpenStack | 20:20 |
| david-lyle | have washed away most of the painful memories | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | rdopiera: Right, this is what Im saying; those links aren't reliable, because they will still generate them even if the next page is empty. | 20:20 |
| robcresswell | Also most APIs dont do Prev | 20:20 |
| rdopiera | bummer | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | the real answer is filtering to reduce the result set and store all the results on the client and handle pagination there | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | for the handful of pages | 20:21 |
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| david-lyle | that was part of the Paris accord IIRC | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | not the famous Paris accord of course | 20:21 |
| david-lyle | but the summit | 20:22 |
| rdopiera | what is the sense of pagination then, if you have the whole list anyways | 20:22 |
| rdopiera | just display it all | 20:22 |
| ying_zuo | instead of showing pre and next, would it be better if we just show a link for more and just keep adding more rows to the table? | 20:22 |
| rdopiera | it's a web page, it can be scrolled, you know | 20:22 |
| rdopiera | doesn't have to fit on the screen | 20:22 |
| david-lyle | because throwing more people into the pagination volcano hasn't quieted the pagination volcano's anger yet | 20:22 |
| rdopiera | ying_zuo: that's an idea | 20:22 |
| ying_zuo | that will solve the problem for apis don't have pre | 20:22 |
| ducttape_ | maybe we can just post all the cloud resources to twitter. they do scrolling pretty well | 20:22 |
| rdopiera | ying_zuo: and it's popular these days | 20:23 |
| e0ne | hm... we can't always show all but links like "show more" are an option for me | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | rdopiera, status checks can kill performance | 20:23 |
| rdopiera | and that would also encourage filtering | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | there were reasons, they may no longer be valid | 20:23 |
| rdopiera | david-lyle: I see | 20:23 |
| david-lyle | we didn't limit the thread pool for polling previously | 20:24 |
| robcresswell | Show more works, but that has its own issues. Like how much data you hold in the client, and what your JS is doing | 20:24 |
| ducttape_ | it was 10 requests for polling I thought | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | that has been fixed, so showing all may not make things fall over any more | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | that's why filtering | 20:24 |
| david-lyle | 1000 pages isn't really useful, ever | 20:24 |
| ying_zuo | probably the biggest problem for show more is the update | 20:25 |
| e0ne | polling for 100 items statuses per page is also not a good idea from the performance PoV | 20:25 |
| e0ne | ying_zuo: +1 | 20:25 |
| ying_zuo | update for the deleted resources | 20:25 |
| david-lyle | that's why the # of threads has been limited | 20:26 |
| rdopiera | robcresswell: that's where filtering comes in | 20:26 |
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| david-lyle | let's just agree to agree to filter | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | :) | 20:27 |
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| e0ne | :) | 20:27 |
| rdopiera | personally, when there are more results than one page, I would just display "there are XXX results, that's too much to show, enter some filtering criteria" | 20:27 |
| robcresswell | rdopiera: How do you know how many results there are? | 20:27 |
| david-lyle | or make searchlight ubiquitous | 20:27 |
| ducttape_ | the next item I'd like to talk about is the lack of a consistent search / filter feature on pages. ;) | 20:27 |
| rdopiera | robcresswell: you stop reading them as soon as you get one pagefull | 20:28 |
| robcresswell | Ah, I see your point. | 20:28 |
| * david-lyle throws the search icon at ducttape_ | 20:28 | |
| robcresswell | ducttape_: Its not toooo bad now. Davids minions improve it a lot. | 20:28 |
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| rdopiera | by the way, I wanted to ask about one more thing | 20:30 |
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| rdopiera | I asked Richard about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/410860/ | 20:30 |
| rdopiera | and he said that he can't do it, but that it really needs to be done soon | 20:30 |
| rdopiera | and I'm familiar with the microversions code already... | 20:30 |
| robcresswell | Oh yeah, that was the feature Cinder supported for ~1 cycle that I spent ages reviewing. | 20:31 |
| david-lyle | rdopiera, you win | 20:31 |
| robcresswell | rdopiera: +1 | 20:31 |
| robcresswell | Well volunteered :) | 20:31 |
| rdopiera | however, that patch is supposed to have subsequent patches | 20:32 |
| rdopiera | and that's not something I am up for | 20:32 |
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| e0ne | robcresswell: TBH, we removed consistency groups in Pike in flavor of generic groups | 20:32 |
| robcresswell | e0ne: Yeah, that was the issue I was mentioning :) | 20:33 |
| robcresswell | e0ne: We spent a fair bit of time adding support only for it to be immediately deprecated. That's not really ideal when reviewer bandwidth is low. | 20:34 |
| e0ne | robcresswell: I have to agree with you :( | 20:34 |
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| david-lyle | on the plus side, no one must have been using it | 20:35 |
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| robcresswell | david-lyle: I don't think anyone's upgraded past Mitaka yet to notice | 20:36 |
| rdopiera | so if we remove it quickly, we should be fine? | 20:36 |
| ducttape_ | no | 20:36 |
| ducttape_ | thats now how it works | 20:36 |
| ducttape_ | not* | 20:36 |
| rdopiera | aww | 20:36 |
| ducttape_ | customers will be on Newton / whatever in another 6-9 months etc | 20:37 |
| e0ne | can we have such features implemented as plugins? | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | IIUC it was a proprietary extension disguised as a Cinder API feature | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | but there are many of those | 20:37 |
| david-lyle | so there may be a limited set of people that used it | 20:37 |
| e0ne | david-lyle: +1 | 20:38 |
| e0ne | and now it's migrated to generic groups | 20:38 |
| e0ne | so in a pike release, it would be good to have generic groups support instead of CGs | 20:38 |
| ducttape_ | this isn't allowed I think, but in an ideal world you'd change the docs for old releases and tell people to avoid features like this | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | agreed | 20:39 |
| robcresswell | Well, microversions means its around forever now | 20:39 |
| david-lyle | yay, microversions | 20:40 |
| david-lyle | :( | 20:40 |
| e0ne | robcresswell: it's crazy world | 20:40 |
| ducttape_ | every time a microversion is added, a kitten feels pain. I hope upstream is happy with this path | 20:40 |
| robcresswell | e0ne: Regardless, its unlikely to get done unless somebody wants to really push for it. | 20:40 |
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| david-lyle | guarding CG with microversions seems straightforward and volunteered for | 20:41 |
| david-lyle | the support for Groups less so | 20:42 |
| david-lyle | unless that's happening somewhere already? | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | Not until someone new volunteers to do it | 20:42 |
| robcresswell | I've got enough to get done for now :) | 20:42 |
| rdopiera | even if we do that, should there be a migration path then? | 20:43 |
| rdopiera | from cg to gg | 20:43 |
| david-lyle | rdopiera, I would have to think that falls in Cinder's boat | 20:43 |
| rdopiera | I guess that's cinder's problem | 20:43 |
| rdopiera | right | 20:43 |
| robcresswell | yeah | 20:43 |
| rdopiera | see, could have been worse ;) | 20:44 |
| e0ne | cinder did migration from CGs to generic groups | 20:44 |
| david-lyle | there problem solved | 20:44 |
| e0ne | :) | 20:44 |
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| rdopiera | the problem is, by the time the users realise they need gg support, it will be too late to add it in Pike | 20:45 |
| e0ne | :( | 20:45 |
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| e0ne | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106720.html | 20:47 |
| rdopiera | by Pike-1, haha | 20:48 |
| rdopiera | when was that | 20:48 |
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| rdopiera | e0ne: is the api very different? | 20:49 |
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| e0ne | rdopiera: I have to check a code to answer | 20:49 |
| e0ne | rdopiera: I didn't use CGs at all | 20:49 |
| * rdopiera reads https://docs.openstack.org/admin-guide/blockstorage-groups.html | 20:50 | |
| e0ne | generic groups work for all backends, so everybody can use it | 20:51 |
| rdopiera | looks similar to https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/cinder-specs/specs/kilo/consistency-groups-kilo-update.html | 20:52 |
| rdopiera | functionality-wise | 20:52 |
| david-lyle | thanks everyone, I have to run, #endmeeting robcresswell | 20:55 |
| robcresswell | Yeah I was just reading | 20:55 |
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| rdopiera | I will ask our pm about this, maybe I will get a go ahead for it | 20:55 |
| david-lyle | ah, thought you went for a pint | 20:55 |
| robcresswell | nah, just didn't have much to add | 20:55 |
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| robcresswell | rdopiera: I can review it if you get the time to work on it | 20:56 |
| e0ne | thanks! | 20:56 |
| robcresswell | ..reluctantly. | 20:56 |
| rdopiera | reluctant reviews are the best ;) | 20:56 |
| e0ne | robcresswell: I'll send a notes about paging to openstack-dev tomorrow as a follow-up of discussion | 20:56 |
| robcresswell | e0ne: The page numbers part will never get done, but the rest should be viable. The APIs should provide prev links, IMO, but many dont. | 20:57 |
| robcresswell | Anyway, we've 2 minutes left | 20:58 |
| robcresswell | any final remarks? | 20:58 |
| e0ne | robcresswell: page numbers is not a bug. I more care about current bugs than features | 20:58 |
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| robcresswell | Sure | 20:58 |
| robcresswell | Okay well, thanks for your time everyone :) | 20:59 |
| rdopiera | bye | 20:59 |
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| robcresswell | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 14 20:59:49 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-06-14-20.00.html | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-06-14-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-06-14-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
| dansmith | #startmetting nova_cells | 21:00 |
| dansmith | #startmeeting nova_cells | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 14 21:00:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dansmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_cells' | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| dansmith | who dat | 21:00 |
| dtp | HI | 21:00 |
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| dansmith | dtp: inside voice please | 21:00 |
| dtp | _hi_ | 21:00 |
| dansmith | better | 21:00 |
| * melwitt casts summon mriedem | 21:00 | |
| mriedem | o/ | 21:00 |
| dansmith | no mriedem | 21:00 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:00 |
| dtp | cool! | 21:01 |
| mriedem | saving throw failed | 21:01 |
| dansmith | #topic bugs/testing | 21:01 |
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| melwitt | haha | 21:01 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: this is your section of the meeting | 21:01 |
| mriedem | oh god | 21:01 |
| dansmith | I have this fix up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473931/ | 21:01 |
| mriedem | that's the only recent one that comes to mind | 21:01 |
| dansmith | which fixes ironic's devstack plugin when we're in multicell | 21:02 |
| dansmith | woot, that's progress | 21:02 |
| melwitt | I shall review it | 21:02 |
| dansmith | I shall be appreciative | 21:02 |
| melwitt | so that's not a bug though? there's no bug reference in the commit message | 21:02 |
| dansmith | nothing else on fire? | 21:02 |
| dansmith | melwitt: it is a bug but we found it pre-merge so nobody filed anything | 21:03 |
| melwitt | oh k | 21:03 |
| dansmith | melwitt: and it's really just a straggler from the bp | 21:03 |
| mriedem | right we aren't going to backport this | 21:03 |
| mriedem | so don't really need a bug | 21:03 |
| dansmith | no other bugs.. going once ... | 21:03 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:03 |
| melwitt | cool | 21:04 |
| dansmith | #topic open wounds | 21:04 |
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| melwitt | quota battle damage | 21:04 |
| dansmith | melwitt's stuff is still up, | 21:04 |
| dansmith | I +Wd the bottom change recently and the next one has a -1 on it | 21:04 |
| melwitt | the next one is updated already, mriedem said he'd +2 it :) | 21:05 |
| dansmith | oh cool | 21:05 |
| mriedem | i will after +2ing this stats thing | 21:05 |
| melwitt | yeah, he's burning through these and it's awesome | 21:06 |
| dansmith | melwitt: we call that "having given up" | 21:06 |
| melwitt | >:| hrmph! | 21:06 |
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| mriedem | i -1 each one :) | 21:06 |
| mriedem | so i haven't given up yet | 21:06 |
| dansmith | well, it's still resulting in you getting patches merged, so .. | 21:06 |
| melwitt | yeah, I mean it's great for one's stats | 21:06 |
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| mriedem | i'll give up when it comes to reviewing placement changes | 21:06 |
| dansmith | heh you and me both | 21:07 |
| melwitt | nested resource providers anyone? anyone? | 21:07 |
| dansmith | anything else up for review? | 21:07 |
| dansmith | bueller? | 21:07 |
| melwitt | the placement project/user stuff is up and actively reviewed | 21:07 |
| dansmith | oh right | 21:07 |
| melwitt | but I think we all knew that | 21:07 |
| mriedem | i still have this host api one | 21:07 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461532/ | 21:08 |
| melwitt | yeah I need to review the host api ones | 21:08 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464280/ is also basically ready for review; the -2 is because i have to get the os-hypervisors API changes done and then we're going to lock-step those i think | 21:08 |
| dansmith | I just starrred it | 21:08 |
| mriedem | like we did for 2.36 in newton | 21:08 |
| mriedem | so we -2 all other microversions until those get in, at some point | 21:08 |
| mriedem | the os-hypervisors changes are turning out to be a major pain in my ass | 21:09 |
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| dansmith | yeah | 21:09 |
| dansmith | anything else up? | 21:10 |
| mriedem | if it weren't a total api rewrite, | 21:10 |
| mriedem | then it woudn't be so bad | 21:10 |
| dansmith | how come dtp gets away with not having open reviews? | 21:10 |
| mriedem | he's an "operator" | 21:10 |
| dansmith | oh | 21:10 |
| dtp | i dunno about that.. | 21:10 |
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| dansmith | okay well, anyway... anything else up we should mention here? | 21:11 |
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| dansmith | okay then | 21:12 |
| dansmith | #topic open discussion | 21:12 |
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| dansmith | discuss, openly | 21:12 |
| melwitt | I wanted to openly mention I resurrected the old console objects patches, | 21:12 |
| dansmith | I openly hear what you're saying | 21:13 |
| melwitt | and they mostly worked, but the noVNC console isn't working as the code expects. so I'm digging into that more. but AFAICT so far, it's not something that's going to end up working (putting server uuid in the access url), | 21:13 |
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| melwitt | and the effort might have to be redesigned in the worst case. I'm not 100% sure what's going on yet bc I don't know much about noVNC and how our websockets proxy works | 21:14 |
| dansmith | okay I remember discussing this but it has all fallen out of my head | 21:14 |
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| melwitt | the idea was that we could put server uuid in the access url we give out to make things work with cells v2 | 21:15 |
| dansmith | this is the thing where the websocket proxy needs to know what cell to search for a token in? | 21:15 |
| melwitt | and that it would be backward compatible with old proxies, but what I see in tempest is that for noVNC it is not backward compatible | 21:15 |
| melwitt | yeah | 21:15 |
| mriedem | melwitt: thorst and markus_z might be able to help | 21:15 |
| dansmith | and this is because we assume a global auth service thing? | 21:15 |
| mriedem | i think thorst's team added the vnc tests to tempest | 21:15 |
| mriedem | and markus has done a bunch of console crap | 21:16 |
| dansmith | mriedem: yeah | 21:16 |
| melwitt | mriedem: cool, thanks. I think I'll soon be needing to ask some questions | 21:16 |
| melwitt | the problem is we thought old proxies would ignore the server uuid added to the url | 21:16 |
| melwitt | but noVNC isn't ignoring it and it's blowing up when the server uuid is added to the url | 21:16 |
| dansmith | we should also consider if there's a reasonable way to shard this on cells too, like make each cell run its own proxy and just make the thing that returns the user point directly at the right one | 21:17 |
| melwitt | because of the way it forwards the token as a header cookie | 21:17 |
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| melwitt | hm, okay. will think on that | 21:18 |
| melwitt | it sounds like that could work. would eliminate the need for instance uuid in url | 21:18 |
| dansmith | I would think sharding that service per cell would probably be good anyway, | 21:18 |
| dansmith | since that could get overwhelmed by tons of people with open consoles | 21:18 |
| * melwitt nods | 21:18 | |
| dansmith | but yeah, think on it and feel free to ping me if you want to dive deep on it | 21:19 |
| melwitt | cool, thank you | 21:19 |
| dansmith | okay what else? | 21:19 |
| mriedem | +2 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446241/ now so it's on dansmith | 21:19 |
| mriedem | oh wait, | 21:19 |
| mriedem | author, can't +W | 21:19 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473931/ +2 now it's on melwitt :) | 21:19 |
| dansmith | jay'll do it | 21:19 |
| melwitt | mriedem: looking at it now | 21:20 |
| mriedem | nothing else from me | 21:20 |
| dansmith | aight cool | 21:20 |
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| dansmith | #endmeeting | 21:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 14 21:21:06 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2017/nova_cells.2017-06-14-21.00.html | 21:21 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2017/nova_cells.2017-06-14-21.00.txt | 21:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_cells/2017/nova_cells.2017-06-14-21.00.log.html | 21:21 |
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