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| gcb | #startmeeting oslo | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 26 14:00:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gcb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:00 | |
| gcb | courtesy ping for amotoki, amrith, bknudson, bnemec, crushil, dansmith, dhellmann | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'oslo' | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for dims, dougwig, e0ne, electrocucaracha, flaper87, garyk, gcb | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for GheRivero, haypo, jd__, jecarey, johnsom, jungleboyj, kgiusti | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for kragniz, lhx_, lifeless, lxsli, Nakato, ozamiatin, rbradfor | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for redrobot, rpodolyaka, sergmelikyan, sileht, spamaps, sreshetnyak, sreshetnyak | 14:00 |
| gcb | courtesy ping for stevemar, therve, thinrichs, toabctl, viktors, zhiyan, zzzeek | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 14:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 14:00 |
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| gcb | dhellmann, kgiusti \o/ | 14:01 |
| ansmith | o/ | 14:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 14:01 |
| jungleboyj | I am not traveling for a change. | 14:01 |
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| gcb | hi ansmith jungleboyj | 14:01 |
| gcb | #topic Red flags for/from liaisons | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Red flags for/from liaisons (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:02 | |
| gcb | I didn't find failurs in #link http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?groupKey=build_name&resolutionKey=hour&searchProject=-with-oslo | 14:02 |
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| jungleboyj | No flags from Cinder. | 14:03 |
| gcb | therve just reported a issue about devstack "It looks like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436094/ is breaking amqp support in our gate :/" | 14:04 |
| gcb | jungleboyj: ack thanks | 14:04 |
| jungleboyj | Welcome. | 14:04 |
| gcb | hope kgiusti can help dig that :-) | 14:05 |
| gcb | #topic Releases | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:05 | |
| amotoki | from neutron, i would like to raise https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475052/ | 14:05 |
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| kgiusti | gcb: sorry - in IRC with therve now | 14:05 |
| kgiusti | gcb: think I have a fix, will try and test it today. | 14:06 |
| gcb | amotoki, looking at it ... | 14:06 |
| amotoki | it broke heat py3 job last week. neutron now handles it appropriately, but it would be nice if oslo.serialization handles it. | 14:06 |
| gcb | kgiusti, thanks | 14:06 |
| amotoki | gcb: this is not urgent. I just raised it for attention. | 14:08 |
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| gcb | amotoki: will review it after the meeting | 14:08 |
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| gcb | #topic Releases | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Releases (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:09 | |
| gcb | today we only have one library to release #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477546/ | 14:09 |
| gcb | tooz maybe need a release later | 14:10 |
| gcb | I tried to release stable branch last week, but stable/mitaka is EOL , so ttx against https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476016/ | 14:11 |
| gcb | dhellmann, have you discussed that in release meeting ? | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | gcb, yes, we did, and I think we want to skip that mitaka release | 14:12 |
| gcb | actually, I didn't insist to release for stable/mitaka | 14:12 |
| gcb | dhellmann, okay, will abandon it | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | ok, I just wanted to make the release team position clear | 14:13 |
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| bknudson | we've got changes merged into stable/mitaka that weren't released before eol tag? | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | yes, but now there's no way for us to test those upstream | 14:14 |
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| bknudson | there's no mitaka-eol tag yet | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | right, the stable team and infra team haven't had time to get to all of that | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | we have, as a community, declared that mitaka is eol | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | the paperwork is just incomplete, so to speak | 14:17 |
| bknudson | just wondering if the tag should be current stable/mitaka or the released commit | 14:17 |
| gcb | bknudson, https://releases.openstack.org/, release team posted the EOL for stable/mitaka email before | 14:18 |
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| gcb | I should release stable branches frequently :/ | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | bknudson : good question. I don't know the answer to that one. We should talk to tonyb | 14:20 |
| gcb | okay, let's talk to tonyb | 14:22 |
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| gcb | Here is for stable/newton #link https://review.openstack.org/476017 | 14:23 |
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| gcb | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:24 | |
| dhellmann | I could use some reviews on the doc migration work: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:doc-migration+is:open | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | I will have more similar patches coming soon, but we could also use help from other folks who have some time | 14:25 |
| gcb | dhellmann, I just post one for oslo.reports https://review.openstack.org/477441 | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 14:25 |
| gcb | we use https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-migration-tracking to track changes | 14:26 |
| gcb | dhellmann, one question about " Update the theme for the in-tree docs to use the openstackdocstheme instead of oslosphinx." | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | ah, yes | 14:27 |
| gcb | I leave one comment in one of your patch, just wondering what's the background , any link? | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | when the doc team met in atlanta, we thought it would be simpler to only have to keep one theme library up to date | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | they are working on that, to make the openstackdocstheme css look like the rest of the openstack site | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | since they need that for the manuals anyway | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | since we're already doing all of these patches to touch documentation, it seemed like a good idea to fold a step into the process to switch those libraries | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | so at the end of this we get the documentation in the right layout with the right theme | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | it seemed like a small step, so we didn't really go into detail, but I can provide more directions if we need them | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | let me find an example of how it will work | 14:29 |
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| gcb | dhellmann, got it thanks | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | oh, we want to wait for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476997/ to land and be released so we can use the simpler instructions in the readme in that patch | 14:30 |
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| dhellmann | I'll try to get that done today | 14:31 |
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| gcb | #topic Open discussion | 14:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: oslo)" | 14:33 | |
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| gcb | Any one want to talk some thing :-) | 14:36 |
| gcb | I will attend the PTG, who will be there ? | 14:36 |
| kgiusti | unsure at this point - budget constraints | 14:37 |
| lhx_ | unsure +1 | 14:37 |
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| dhellmann | I will be there | 14:38 |
| lhx_ | doc migration is like a big project | 14:39 |
| jungleboyj | I should be at the PTG. | 14:39 |
| jungleboyj | Also will be in Sydney. | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | lhx_ : indeed | 14:39 |
| jungleboyj | lhx_: ++ | 14:40 |
| gcb | lhx_: yeah, thanks for the guide, that makes things easier :-) | 14:40 |
| lhx_ | when I do migrate, I find some docs are out-of-date. | 14:40 |
| lhx_ | ;( | 14:41 |
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| dhellmann | lhx_ : for now, we want to move the content we have to preserve it. updates should come in separate patches to make them easy to review. | 14:41 |
| jungleboyj | lhx_: That is true for many projects. I know Cinder has work to do there. | 14:41 |
| gcb | lhx_: move them in right places, then fix them | 14:41 |
| gcb | let's also a reason why we need move the context from doc team to specific team | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | that's right | 14:42 |
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| gcb | s/let's/that's | 14:45 |
| lhx_ | dhellmann, gcb, okay | 14:45 |
| lhx_ | thank you | 14:45 |
| gcb | any other updates ? | 14:46 |
| lhx_ | jungleboyj, cinder's doc is really a big trouble ;) | 14:46 |
| jungleboyj | lhx_: I don't doubt that. ;-) | 14:47 |
| gcb | okay, let's end the meeting now | 14:47 |
| gcb | thanks everyone | 14:47 |
| lhx_ | thanks | 14:48 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 14:48 |
| gcb | #endmeeting | 14:48 |
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| ijw | #startmeeting networking-vpp | 16:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 26 16:07:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ijw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:07 |
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| ijw | Anyone about today? | 16:07 |
| ijw | #endmeeting | 16:08 |
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| dtantsur | #startmeeting ironic | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 26 17:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtantsur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | hi everyone! | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
| dtantsur | who is here for the ironic meeting? | 17:00 |
| mgoddard | o/ | 17:00 |
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| rama_y | o/ | 17:00 |
| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
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| anupn | o/ | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | our agenda as usual is here: | 17:01 |
| dtantsur | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:01 |
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| rloo | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | o/ | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | #topic Announcements / Reminder | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements / Reminder (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:02 | |
| xavierr | o/ | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | #info Work has started to import the IPA DIB element under our governance (RFE https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1700071) | 17:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1700071 in Ironic "[RFE] Make DIB-build IPA fully supported" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dmitry Tantsur (divius) | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | this was discussed on the PTG | 17:02 |
| dtantsur | I want to give a heads up that I've started the process with requesting a new repository to host our build tools | 17:02 |
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| mjturek | o/ | 17:03 |
| fellypefca | o/ | 17:03 |
| rloo | thx dtantsur | 17:03 |
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| tuanla_fujitsu | I'm on | 17:03 |
| dtantsur | anything else? | 17:04 |
| rloo | don't know if we want to discuss whether there is a meeting next week | 17:04 |
| rloo | it is a US holiday for some I think | 17:04 |
| dtantsur | ah | 17:04 |
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| tuanla_fujitsu | I'm focus on UEFI secure boot. I hope new ironic-python-agent-builder can support UEFI secure boot | 17:04 |
| TheJulia | I believe the holiday is on Tuesday | 17:05 |
| rloo | TheJulia: right, July 4 is. i think some people get Mon off | 17:05 |
| dtantsur | well, we tend not to cancel meetings for holiday in one country. do you think we should? | 17:05 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: only cancel if there aren't enough people. that's why i'm asking. | 17:05 |
| rloo | dtantsur: not related to that, but i won't be here next Mon | 17:05 |
| TheJulia | rloo: it would vary by company, most that I'm aware of will have tuesday off | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | We (Intel) are on holiday for Monday & Tuesday in the US | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | I suggest trying to start it and cancelling if there is no presence | 17:06 |
| xavierr | dtantsur: what is this RFE for? could you detail it a bit? :) | 17:06 |
| rloo | well, i don't see a big show of hands not having a meeting, so lets assume there is a meeting next Mon. | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | xavierr: 700071? We're going to move the DIB element to build IPA from DIB tree to our repo | 17:06 |
| TheJulia | I say hold the meeting, if there isn not a quorum, then so be it, if there is then awesome | 17:06 |
| dtantsur | and then work on CI coverage for it to declare DIB officially supported | 17:07 |
| xavierr | dtantsur: what we understand by DIB element? | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | xavierr: https://docs.openstack.org/developer/diskimage-builder/elements/ironic-agent/README.html | 17:07 |
| dtantsur | this is used by TripleO and a few other folks to build an image | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | xavierr: we can chat later, if you're interested in more details | 17:08 |
| dtantsur | anything else? | 17:08 |
| xavierr | dtantsur: ty, let's go ahead | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | #topic Review subteam status reports (capped at ten minutes) | 17:09 |
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| tuanla_fujitsu | dtantsur, I hope new ironic-python-agent-builder can support UEFI secure boot | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | our exciting stuff is listed on the white board: | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 17:09 |
| rloo | we have 2 critical bugs? or are those the same ones that are now ok? | 17:09 |
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| dtantsur | tuanla_fujitsu: we'll migrate whatever DIB supports now. | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | rloo: both for gate | 17:09 |
| dtantsur | I'm not sure if we can close them, as in both cases we had reverts | 17:10 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ok, and gate is working (we think) | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | especially the glance one: it will certainly be applied again one day | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | we can lower them both to high now | 17:10 |
| rloo | dtantsur: not critical any more, lower them ++ | 17:10 |
| dtantsur | ok | 17:10 |
| * dtantsur needs to list critical bugs on his dashboard | 17:10 | |
| jlvillal | mtreinish: Is asking over in #openstack-qa when we will fix glance. | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | I'm assuming he wants to get that patch back into devstack | 17:11 |
| dtantsur | jlvillal: thanks, that's what I expected | 17:12 |
| rloo | jlvillal: oh. i guess we need to get dtantsur's hack patch in then | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | my patch is under a recheck currently | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | s/hack/beautiful/ | 17:12 |
| rloo | hack == beautiful and if anyone disagrees... | 17:12 |
| TheJulia | heh | 17:12 |
| vdrok | dtantsur: I've changed to high the one about grenade | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | jlvillal: yes it was some effort to get everything working, so I want to revert the revert | 17:12 |
| dtantsur | thanks vdrok | 17:13 |
| dtantsur | mtreinish: noted, thanks. | 17:13 |
| rloo | mtreinish: our gate broke, but looks like it may be fixed, if so, will get something in soonish, 1-2 days... | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | dtantsur: Do you have a test on your patch to see what happens if the revert^2 happens? | 17:13 |
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| dtantsur | jlvillal: nope, this is something we need now | 17:14 |
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| * jlvillal looks into it | 17:14 | |
| dtantsur | though I need to check if it passed the CI *before* the revert has happened | 17:14 |
| rloo | i have a question about networking -- there is a nova side to post-deploy VIF attach/detach. i haven't looked at it. does it need ironic attention? does it need to land before nova's feature freeze in july? | 17:15 |
| rloo | sambetts ^^ L212 | 17:15 |
| xavierr | regarding CI, are you able to access the status: http://ci-watch.tintri.com/ ? | 17:15 |
| vdrok | gah, electricity will be turned off in the office in 10 mins. /me runs away. rloo I've updated the nova patch a bit, I suppose the ironic side is done | 17:15 |
| sambetts | rloo: yes there is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419975/ | 17:16 |
| sambetts | rloo: there have been a view back and forths about what should and shouldn't be marked by a microversion but I think its progressing | 17:16 |
| rloo | vdrok, sambetts: ok, let us know if we need to look at that soonish rather than laterish. (and if we don't at all, even better!) | 17:17 |
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| rloo | dtantsur: qq, don't know if you have paid attention to the doc proposal about moving docs intree in projects. do we have to make those changes in pike? | 17:18 |
| jlvillal | John L. Villalovos proposed openstack/ironic master: Testing dtantsur's glance uswgi fix https://review.openstack.org/477614 | 17:19 |
| sambetts | rloo: I think the more attention on the nova patch to bump it up the review queue the better :) | 17:20 |
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| rloo | sambetts: which is higher priority, that or physical network awareness? | 17:20 |
| dtantsur | rloo: I don't think so? The spec is not merged yet. It's not hard to do though, so we *may* end up doing it in Pike anyway. | 17:21 |
| rloo | dtantsur: ok | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | there is a good instruction (in the spec) on how to do it. if there is a volunteer, they can go ahead | 17:21 |
| dtantsur | otherwise I'll try to dedicate some time for it after the spec is merged | 17:21 |
| rloo | dtantsur: after the spec merged, let's ask for volunteer first before you do it. i think your time is more valuable elsewhere. | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 17:22 |
| dtantsur | I'm done with the statuses. Overall, I feel like certain things will not make it. I wonder if we want to discuss it one day soon.. | 17:22 |
| sambetts | rloo: the ironic side the attach/detach has already landed, and the nova side I think is an easy win it just needs attention | 17:23 |
| rloo | sambetts: okey dokey | 17:23 |
| * sambetts has got to run, if you need me for any questions mention me and I'll try to follow up in the morning | 17:24 | |
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| dtantsur | it's becoming a tradition that status review capped at ten minutes takes more than 15 :) | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | I don't mind it, maybe we should allocate more time (or less priorities) | 17:25 |
| TheJulia | I would lean towards less priorities | 17:25 |
| TheJulia | personally | 17:25 |
| rloo | dtantsur: either fewer priorities or more time, both work for me. | 17:25 |
| dtantsur | I think for Queens the number of priorities we have to be substantially less | 17:26 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i'm fine leaving our tradition for pike though :-) | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | ok :) | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | let's move on? | 17:26 |
| rloo | ++ | 17:26 |
| dtantsur | #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week | 17:26 |
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| dtantsur | of 5 patches, one is travelling through the gate on its way to git.openstack.org | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | I think the gate breakages hurt our velocity :( | 17:27 |
| rloo | jlvillal: I know it did | 17:27 |
| dtantsur | yep. should we replace the nearly-merged patch with something else? | 17:27 |
| rloo | dtantsur: yeah, the nova patch :-) | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | rloo: it's not really actionable from our side? | 17:28 |
| rloo | dtantsur: or i know these aren't on the priorities, the patches to fix the gate | 17:28 |
| dtantsur | I mean, it's totally a priority, but all we can do is nag nova folks | 17:28 |
| rloo | dtantsur: reviews? | 17:28 |
| rloo | dtantsur: we can review the nova patch | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | right | 17:29 |
| * dtantsur has problems with internet | 17:29 | |
| dtantsur | #chair TheJulia rloo | 17:29 |
| openstack | Current chairs: TheJulia dtantsur rloo | 17:29 |
| dtantsur | just in case I drop our ^^^ | 17:29 |
| TheJulia | ok | 17:30 |
| dtantsur | ok, added the nova patch | 17:30 |
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| dtantsur | should we add the whole glance access refactoring chain? | 17:31 |
| rloo | dtantsur: you're pretty close on the classic driver deprecation spec, right? | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | starting with my patch and going on with pas-ha's? | 17:31 |
| dtantsur | rloo: yep, some comments to address (IIRC minor) | 17:31 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i haven't looked at the glance access chain recently, is it ready for reviews? | 17:31 |
| TheJulia | w/r/t bfv, might be worth adding the next bfv patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/463930/14) It is fairly boiler plate but it is required before the API can be landed | 17:32 |
| mgoddard | the physnet patch ended up getting blocked by other things. I'm trying to fix those things to unblock it | 17:32 |
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| dtantsur | mgoddard: should we drop it til next week then? | 17:32 |
| mgoddard | perhaps that would be sensible | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | okay, we'll get it back next week hopefully | 17:33 |
| dtantsur | we have 5 code patches and one spec. enough? :) | 17:33 |
| mgoddard | there will be a few ironic patches that will need to go in before the next physnet patch | 17:33 |
| rloo | dtantsur: too many :-) | 17:34 |
| rloo | mgoddard: please update the whiteboard when you know what the first patch of the new chain is :-) | 17:34 |
| rloo | wrt bfv, did we land some API changes already? | 17:35 |
| mgoddard | rloo: will do | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | rloo: anything you would drop? | 17:35 |
| dtantsur | rloo: nope, we're holding them until we can the actual code in place | 17:35 |
| rloo | dtantsur: oh i didn't realize that, ok then. (cuz CRUD can't go in before API) | 17:35 |
| rloo | fine to leave those as priorities, we'll get done what we get done :-) | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | rloo: "CRUD cannot go in before API" is a good point, actually | 17:36 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia, mjturek, shouldn't we rearrange them ^^^? | 17:36 |
| TheJulia | why can't the notifications go in until after the api? | 17:37 |
| TheJulia | seems like we would want the substrate... | 17:37 |
| dtantsur | well, we can't notify users about entities that don't exist in the API, right? | 17:38 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i am working on a patch wrt rolling upgrades, to support port.physical_network and a few tweaks. would be nice to get eyes on that when it is ready, but i can ping folks later this week. | 17:38 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: but they wouldn't be sent until the api endpoints land... | 17:38 |
| dtantsur | also fair.. I guess I don't care too much, I just want the API asap | 17:38 |
| TheJulia | The crud stuff is very boilerplate | 17:39 |
| rloo | TheJulia: there was a reason but i can't recall now what it was. if i do, i'll let you know. or maybe that reason is no longer. | 17:39 |
| TheJulia | The API stuff is also very boilerplate and has been in review in various forms for well over a year | 17:39 |
| rloo | TheJulia: is the API stuff ready to review and waiting? I don't see it in the top priorites to be reviewed? | 17:39 |
| dtantsur | ok, let's check the notifications patch, and rearrange them if we need to | 17:40 |
| TheJulia | rloo: if there is a good reason, We can always restack patches, it just seems like we would want them before not after | 17:40 |
| dtantsur | ok with the other priorities? | 17:40 |
| TheJulia | rloo: the api has been up for reviews for a long... long time. | 17:40 |
| rloo | TheJulia: so my question is, CAN the API code get merged if it is OK? | 17:40 |
| TheJulia | rloo: I believe so yes | 17:41 |
| rloo | stuff being ready for review for a long time exists all over the place | 17:41 |
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| TheJulia | It has been maintained as we have added decoraters/security changes, etc. | 17:41 |
| rloo | TheJulia: if that is the case, why isn't it at the top of your bfv food chain? I mean, if you think it should go in before the other bfv patches | 17:41 |
| rloo | TheJulia: i have not been paying attention to bfv, so if i am asking dumb questions or not understanding what we are discussing now... | 17:41 |
| TheJulia | rloo: because the substrate must be present prior the api being available | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | well, we should not land API before it's functional | 17:42 |
| TheJulia | if the substrate is not functional, then.. the api is useless | 17:42 |
| rloo | TheJulia: so if the substrate is not available then NO, the API is not ready to go in. | 17:42 |
| TheJulia | rloo: hence why it is further down on the ironic BFV etherpad | 17:42 |
| dtantsur | notifications is a different thing: we can live without them for a week or two | 17:42 |
| TheJulia | do we want to move the api to be rooted directly off of the wire-in patch? | 17:43 |
| rloo | Maybe I shouldn't have taken so literally that some code has been ready for reviews for a long time. (cuz that is the case for lots of other patches) | 17:43 |
| TheJulia | because if so, I'll grab a beer and do it right after the meeting | 17:43 |
| dtantsur | I'm fine with how it is now, for the record | 17:43 |
| TheJulia | I've got +2 on the crud stuff, it seems boiler plate to me, we can always proceed to the next patch which is the api from there. Or not *shrugs* | 17:44 |
| TheJulia | One downside of so many people working on this though, is if we begin to change the patch order, things might get squashed easier | 17:44 |
| TheJulia | but, I suspect there is not much to be done in those patches, or fixes can be done with follow-ups | 17:44 |
| TheJulia | if necessary. | 17:45 |
| * rloo now wonders how long we allocate for deciding on the week's priorities :-) | 17:45 | |
| TheJulia | rloo: who knows ;) | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | as much as we need, I guess :D | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | but that's a good conversation | 17:45 |
| dtantsur | rloo: are you ok with the list or should we dig into patch ordering? or should we just have a placeholder <NEXT BFV PATCH>? | 17:45 |
| rloo | ++; perhaps move the bfv conversation to their weekly meeting | 17:46 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i'm ok with the lsit | 17:46 |
| rloo | s/lsit/list/ | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | cool! | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | #topic Expiring old bugs | 17:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Expiring old bugs (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 17:46 | |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: want me to put placeholders in for the entire chain? | 17:46 |
| dtantsur | I've noticed some teams do it | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | while it seems not too friendly to people reporting bugs, chances are very low someone is going to pick a year-old bug | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: I'm personally fine with what we have now. | 17:47 |
| TheJulia | I'm all for expiring bugs older than 1 year | 17:47 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: 0k | 17:47 |
| TheJulia | err ok | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | thanks | 17:47 |
| dtantsur | any other opinions on bugs expire? | 17:47 |
| * rloo recalls why we didn't do crud before API -- that was for existing notifications that were updated due to eg a new field. If this is the first time, v1.0, it is fine. | 17:47 | |
| dtantsur | rloo: ++ that was it | 17:48 |
| TheJulia | rloo: thanks! | 17:48 |
| rloo | i think we had discussed bug expiration before but i don't recall what we had decided, and that was when ironic was younger. i think it is reasonable to expire them now. | 17:48 |
| rloo | dtantsur: thinking of automating the expiration? | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | yeah | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | rloo: this is a good question. some common sense may be useful, I'd prefer to do it by hand. | 17:49 |
| dtantsur | I mean, some bugs may be obviously still valid and important. but I expect that to be a small percent | 17:50 |
| rloo | dtantsur: in that case, i realize it may be useful, but given the (smaller)number of folks, i'd rather the bugs languish in bug-land and people review. | 17:50 |
| dtantsur | I can take a dozen each week, and we'll get rid of them in a few months | 17:50 |
| rloo | what does it matter that the bugs don't expire, unless you don't like the number of them?' | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | sorry? | 17:51 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i'd rather you review patches than do this. | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | I'm fine with an automation, just dunno if we're going to throw away anything really important | 17:51 |
| TheJulia | If we have a volunteer, we should do it | 17:51 |
| dtantsur | rloo: okay, then let's agree on it, I'll announce it on the ML and will call for a volunteer | 17:52 |
| tuanla_fujitsu | + dtantsur, because now we have 415 Open bugs on ironies project | 17:52 |
| dtantsur | right | 17:52 |
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| rloo | i guess that's one of my points, i personally don't care that we have 415 open bugs. | 17:53 |
| dtantsur | any objections to find a volunteer to review (quickly) and close the old bugs? | 17:53 |
| TheJulia | 7 minute warning | 17:53 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: no objection here | 17:53 |
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| dtantsur | rloo: well, it may confuse new contributors. and it does not allow us to see the real picture: how many actual bugs do we have? | 17:54 |
| rloo | dtantsur: that was one of my questions, what does it matter. for ^^ reasons. | 17:54 |
| TheJulia | 5 minute warning | 17:55 |
| rloo | dtantsur: i just don't see it as a high priority given everything else on our plate. just saying. | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | yeah, that's why I won't do it myself | 17:55 |
| dtantsur | I'm trying to figure out our official policy on old bugs | 17:55 |
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| dtantsur | any more comments here? I guess we don't have a clear agreement.. | 17:56 |
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| rloo | i think we're good with expiring 1 year+ bugs. just the execution... | 17:57 |
| TheJulia | agreed | 17:57 |
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| tuanla_fujitsu | Agree rloo and dtantsur | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | #agreed Bugs older than 1 year may be expired | 17:57 |
| dtantsur | anything else before we wrap up? | 17:58 |
| jlvillal | votes for a python script ;) | 17:58 |
| TheJulia | jlvillal: talk to sdague ;) | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | yeah, I've noticed him doing that, and decided to cargo-cult this practice :) | 17:58 |
| dtantsur | okay, thanks everyone! | 17:59 |
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| TheJulia | Thank you everyone | 17:59 |
| tuanla_fujitsu | Bye. Good night | 17:59 |
| jlvillal | Bye | 17:59 |
| dtantsur | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 26 17:59:56 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-06-26-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-06-26-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2017/ironic.2017-06-26-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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