Tuesday, 2017-06-27

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flwang#startmeeting zaqar02:04
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 27 02:04:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is flwang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.02:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.02:04
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flwang#topic roll call02:05
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flwango/02:05
gecong_hi02:06
gengchchi guys02:06
flwanggecong_: thanks for joining02:07
gecong_thanks02:07
wanghaohi02:08
flwangwanghao: hey02:08
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flwangwanghao: gecong_: here is the agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zaqar-meeting-agenda02:09
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flwang#topic service queue spec02:10
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gecong_ok02:10
flwangI have asked theve, zaneb and flaper87 to review this spec02:10
flwangsomebody did, but somebody didn't yet02:10
flwangwe have 1 month before the milestone of pike-302:11
wanghaookay,  I talked lei-zh yesterday about the POC patch,  and there is a requirement to Zaqar.02:11
flwangwanghao: cool, can you talk more?02:11
wanghaosearchlight want Zaqar can support to send messages to many queues one time.02:12
wanghaolike boradcast02:12
flwanghow?02:12
wanghaoit will send a list of projects in X-SERVICE-DELEGATED-PROJECT-ID.02:12
wanghaoand Zaqar need to post messages to those projects one by one.02:13
flwangand then zaqar do the magic?02:13
flwangNO02:13
flwangthat totally out of the scope of zaqar02:13
wanghaoemm, I think so02:13
flwangyep, I would say "sorry, searchlight, Zaqar can't do that"02:14
flwangit will  make the API dirty IMHO02:14
wanghaotechnically, we can do it, but we shouldn't02:14
gecong_I agree02:15
wanghaookay,  I will talk about this with lei-zh02:15
flwangI won't say I don't care the feature of service queue, but if we need to introduce such a ugly feature into zaqar just to support service queue, i will totally reject the service queue spec02:15
flwangso in short, no, we can't support that02:16
wanghaogot it.02:16
gengchcI agree too.02:16
flwangI will push zaneb and therve to revisit the spec and hopefully we can get an agreement before next meeting02:17
wanghaobascially, the case is when admin create a flavor,  searchlight need to notify every project.02:17
wanghaookay02:17
gecong_got it02:17
flwangand another bad thing for now is, we still don't receive any feedback from horizon team, those interns working on this horizon feature02:17
flwangso wanghao, could you please reply that thread and push horizon team?02:18
flwangif they don't really care about this feature, please let us know02:18
wanghaoflwang: okay02:18
flwangwanghao: thanks02:18
flwangI got strong interest from the Horizon PTL when we met at Boston02:18
flwanghence why I push this feature after that02:19
flwangbut I can't see much support from them now, so I'd like to confirm if they're still interested in this02:19
wanghaoyeah02:19
flwanganything else for the service queue we need to talk?02:20
wanghaonot from me02:21
gecong_I haven't any question now02:21
flwang#topic notification policy02:22
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wanghaookay,  emm,  this I have committed a patch without ut yet.02:22
gecong_I will review it later02:23
wanghaothanks02:23
flwangwanghao: I didn't go through the spec yet, but I will do it today for sure02:23
flwangsorry again for the delay02:23
wanghaoflwang: np,  never mind02:23
wanghaoand I will test it to ensure it work well02:24
flwangthe only concern like I mentioned is we're adding more and more reserved keys into the queue metadata02:24
wanghaoyes, now we add a lot of things in metadata02:25
flwangwe may need to review all the reserved metadata keys and decide the long term strategy for this02:25
gecong_yes02:25
wanghaomaybe we can consider to introduce some new resource for queue02:26
wanghaothat we can extract some metadata from queue.02:26
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gecong_good idea02:26
gecong_maybe I can do something02:27
flwangyou mean new attribute/field for queue data model?02:28
wanghaonice!02:28
wanghaoflwang: kind of02:28
flwangwanghao: could be02:28
flwangwe should keep this in mind for now and revisit it in Queen02:29
wanghaoemm, agree02:29
gecong_got it02:29
flwangbecause currently, all users just use zaqar client to access zaqar api02:30
flwangand with distil client, user actually don't really care how the data is saved02:30
flwangso not too bad02:30
flwangand before we can see more strong requirements, let's keep an eye and revisit later02:31
gecong_emm, ok02:31
wanghaookay02:31
flwangwanghao: back to the notification policy spec, i really want to get it in Pike02:31
gengchcok02:31
wanghaoflwang: yeah, me too02:31
flwangso let's work on it and make it happen02:31
wanghaocool02:31
flwanganything elese?02:32
wanghaowe plan to support only one backoff function in Pike, so it's not hard.02:32
flwangwanghao: ah, i see.02:33
flwangso we will mainly implement the framework and then support policies one by one, right?02:33
wanghaoyes,02:34
flwangwanghao: cool, i see.02:34
gecong_yeah02:34
flwanganything else?02:34
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wanghaono02:34
flwang#topic dead letter queue02:34
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gecong_is there anything I can do fot that02:34
flwanggecong_: if you're willing to help02:34
flwangmaybe you can help the dead letter queue :)02:35
gecong_yes I will02:35
gecong_oK02:35
flwangsorry, wanghao, i'm grabbing gecong_ for my feature ;)02:35
wanghaonp02:35
wanghaohaha02:35
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gecong_np02:35
flwangdead letter queue spec has been there for a long time02:35
flwangdue to many reasons02:35
gecong_I am very happy02:36
flwangi'd like to get it done it pike to suppor the mongo backend02:36
flwangas you can see in the spec02:36
gecong_yeah02:36
wanghaoI think spec is almost closed,  not big issue for me.02:36
flwangthe simple idea is just move the message from the original queue to the dead letter queue02:36
flwangwanghao: thanks02:36
gecong_I have reviewed it02:37
flwangso that said, i'd like to merge it asap and focus on the code02:37
flwangfor tiny issues, we can address them during the code review02:37
wanghao+102:37
flwangand update the spec later02:37
gecong_+102:37
flwangyou know, the way of spec is good, but it's not really efficient02:38
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flwangwe can't get a perfect design02:38
wanghaoyeah, some details in code.02:38
flwangwe will make some mistakes, leave some bugs02:38
flwangbut IMHO, it's fine, if we can get feedbacks, we can fix them02:38
gecong_if there is anything need for me to do ,please let me and gengchc to help you02:38
flwangif we can't get feedback, them it's nothing, right ? ;)02:39
wanghao:) that's always happend02:39
flwanggecong_: gengchc: so you're different people?02:39
gecong_yes02:39
flwangshit, i think they're same ids :D02:39
flwangfantastic02:39
gecong_I would like to introduce02:39
wanghaonice02:39
gecong_to your gus02:39
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flwangyou guys come from zte? pls remind me your company name02:40
flwanggecong_: pls pls pls02:40
gecong_yes , he is also from zte02:40
flwangpls introduce yourselves02:40
flwangI'm really sorry for missing gengchc02:41
flwanggengchc: waves from NZ02:41
gengchcI am gengchangcai from zte company,i am interesting in zaqar.02:41
gecong_please wait a minutes02:41
gengchcWe want to introduce zaqar in our project, but we do not know what aspects zaqar is  more suitable for.02:41
flwanggengchc: as a service for your private cloud solution or for public cloud?02:42
gengchcfor private cloud02:42
flwanggengchc: ok, cool02:43
flwangnow we're a small team, we do need more resources to make zaqar better02:43
flwangso really appreciate for your joining02:44
wanghaoyes, welcome02:44
gecong_welcome02:44
gengchcthank you02:44
flwangI'm Feilong Wang, and now I'm serving the PTL for 4th cycle02:44
flwangI was working for IBM and moved to NZ 3 years ago02:44
flwangnow i'm working on a public cloud based in New Zealand as the dev manager02:45
flwangand I also worked on Glance for the last 4 years02:45
flwangwanghao: your turn02:45
gengchcI have joined your wechat.02:46
wanghaoI'm wanghao, now working for Fiberhome,  and jumped from Huawei one years ago.02:46
gengchcMy wechat is 耿常才.02:46
flwanggengchc: oh, cool, i will add you to our group02:46
wanghaoand I focus on Zaqar and Cinder for a long time.02:46
flwanggengchc: i can't find your name :(02:47
gecong_nice to meet you, feilong and wanghao02:47
flwangcool, we can talk more offline02:47
flwangnow let's continue the meetint02:47
gecong_ok02:47
flwanggecong_: wanghao: pls revisit the dead letter queue spec and let's merge the spec soon02:48
flwangand then i'm going to focus on the code for mongo backend02:48
wanghaoflwang: sure02:48
gengchcI am sorry,my wechat is gcc578043796902:48
gecong_np02:48
flwangand gecong_, you can work on the swift backend or redis, if you're interested in02:48
gecong_np02:49
flwangthe last topic for today meeting is the Sydney summit topics02:49
flwangwe need to submit a topic02:49
flwang#topic Sydney summit session02:50
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flwangi was thinking it would be nice if we can present the service queue feature with searchlight team and horizon team02:50
wanghaoyes, me too02:50
flwangbut I'm not too sure if we can achieve that in time02:50
wanghaomaybe just searchlight?02:50
flwangso wanghao pls reply the email and push horizon guys to get feedback02:51
wanghaoem, sure02:51
flwangwithout horizon support, it's not really attractive, TBH02:51
wanghaoemm, I see02:51
flwangbut meanwhile, we need to brainstorm if there is another topic we can propose02:51
flwanggecong_: gengchc: do you have any customer requirement about zaqar?02:52
flwangwhy ZTE are interested in zaqar?02:52
gecong_for now ,not yet02:53
flwangi see, because more of China customers are still in the stage of virtualization+, IMHO02:54
flwangthey just want to play with cloud, but they're not really sure how to use it02:54
flwangand what's the workload they want to put on cloud02:54
gengchcThere is not yet, but we are studying how to use zaqar, the boss is very interested in it.02:54
flwangand most of the workload just traditional legacy application02:54
flwangnot really distributed, cloud app02:55
flwangyep, as you can see, all public cloud have queue/msg service02:55
flwanganyway, gecong_, gengchc  I'm really happy to see ZTE it putting resource on zaqar and any contribution for the project will be really welcomed02:56
gengchcis zaqar supported distributed nodes?02:56
flwangall the people within the team are very friendly and positive02:56
flwangfeel free ask any question02:57
flwanggengchc: sure02:57
flwanggengchc: do you mean the distributed data storage of message?02:57
flwangok, we have 3 mins for open talk02:57
flwang#topic open discussion02:57
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flwanggengchc: gecong_: any question?02:58
wanghaookay time is up02:59
flwanglet's back to zaqar channel02:59
flwang#endmeeting02:59
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flwangthank you guys03:00
gecong_thna k you03:00
gengchcthank you.03:01
flwanggecong_: pls add my wechat id: openstacker03:01
flwanggengchc: I can't find your id, please add me: openstacker03:01
gecong_OK , I will add later03:01
flwangso that i can add you guys into the wechat group03:01
flwangawesome, thanks03:01
gecong_thanks03:01
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ildikov#startmeeting openstack_upstream_institute09:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 27 09:00:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ildikov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_upstream_institute'09:00
ildikovWho's around for the today's meeting?09:01
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ildikovSummer seems to be stronger this time around. :)09:06
asettleI actually am09:07
asettleBelieve it or not09:07
ildikovasettle: hi :)09:07
ildikovasettle: I have a Trainers' Guide review for the today's agenda and the Contributor Portal for this and the training guides meeting as well09:08
ildikovasettle: happy to chat about either of these if you're interested :)09:08
asettleSure, let's go through them!09:08
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ildikovcoolio09:10
ildikov#topic Trainer/Training organizer best practices09:10
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ildikov#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477817/09:10
ildikovwe thought to start to add our learnings to the web page as suggestions and best practices for anyone who plans to join or hold a tringin on thier own09:11
ildikovso training09:11
ildikovon their own09:11
asettleThat's a good idea09:11
ildikovcannot type today... :)09:11
asettleildikov: story of my life09:12
ildikov:)09:12
ildikovso I put together a patch based on the retrospectives of the last three trainings09:12
ildikovthat's the review link above09:13
ildikovI'll drop a mail to the ML's to draw attention to it09:13
asettleildikov: looks good, do you want a review?09:13
ildikovsure, go ahead09:13
ildikovwe didn't want to have a long document, but rather a collection of items to keep in mind09:13
asettleildikov: where does this publish? Pardon my ignorance09:13
ildikovit's a separate page linked to the main training page currently09:14
ildikovhere's the build: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/17/477817/3/check/gate-training-guides-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/ccb411e//publish-docs/upstream-training/09:14
ildikovand here's the page itself: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/17/477817/3/check/gate-training-guides-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/ccb411e//publish-docs/upstream-training/upstream-trainers-guide.html09:15
ildikovasettle: we also have a team wiki and thought to link the page to the wiki too09:16
ildikovjust increase the likelihood that people find it09:16
ildikov*to09:17
asettleSorry ildikov I just got a phone call09:18
ildikovno worries :)09:18
asettleildikov: wiki and page sounds like a good idea.09:19
asettleSorry, just checking it all out09:19
ildikovI'm glad you like the idea overall09:20
ildikovwe were trying to collect the basics that overall seems like a good idea or we found it working or we struggled with it and don't want others to get into that situation too, etc.09:20
asettleildikov: that seems like the best way to go09:22
ildikovcool!09:22
ildikovI'll try to ensure we have enough eyes on it and once it's merged it's available for everyone to add/correct things in it09:23
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ildikovasettle: do you have any questions/comments to this one that we should discuss here?09:24
ildikovno problem if not, we can take the discussion to the review as well :)09:24
asettleildikov: discussion in the review makes sense09:25
ildikovcoolio!09:25
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ildikov#topic Contributor Portal09:26
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ildikov#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118877.html09:26
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ildikovasettle: I saw you replied to Mike's thread09:26
ildikovasettle: I have a thought at the back of my head to try to switch to this Portal with the training as well and focus on the exercises within the training material09:27
ildikovasettle: not sure how much it makes sense, but it would be great to maintain the information at one place only09:27
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ildikovasettle: what do you think?09:29
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ildikovI will respond to the thread and bring the topic up with the training-guides team as well09:38
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ildikovwe can discuss that further there09:39
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ildikovlet's wrap up the meeting for today :)09:39
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ildikov#endmeeting09:40
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*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"09:40
openstackMeeting ended Tue Jun 27 09:40:12 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)09:40
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ildikovanyone around for training-guides meeting?13:00
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TheJulia#startmeeting ironic_ui18:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Jun 27 18:00:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is TheJulia. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic_ui'18:00
TheJuliaWho is here for an Ironic-UI meeting?18:01
anupno/18:01
anupnHi TheJulia18:01
ppielaI am18:01
rama_yo/18:01
TheJuliaAwesome!18:01
TheJuliaOur agenda, as always, can be found on the wiki.18:01
TheJulia#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-ui18:01
TheJulia#topic Announcements18:02
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TheJuliaThe only thing I have is that we roughly have 3 weeks.  Does anyone have anything else?18:02
ppielaNope18:02
anupnnope18:03
TheJuliaAwesome18:03
anupnso after 3 weeks there will be a code freeze?18:03
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anupni mean 3 weeks remaining for release right?18:04
TheJuliaanupn: not exactly, ironic does not adhere to the code freeze, but to be nice to the translation folks we want to cut a release for translation folks18:04
TheJulia#topic Current Status18:04
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TheJuliait looks like we have made good progress over the last week18:05
anupnyup18:05
anupntest framework landed, yay!18:05
anupnThanks to Peter for great stuff18:06
ppielaYes, my goal for this week is to get the current portgroup-api patchset to land, and follow-up that allows ports to be assigned18:06
ppielaur welcome, thanks for the reviews18:06
anupn:)18:07
anupnMy goal for this week is add tests for my driver composition patches18:07
TheJuliaSounds good.  I would really <3 a release note on the port group change, fwiw18:07
TheJuliaExcellent18:07
ppielaAbsolutely, my next thing to do18:08
TheJuliaawesome18:08
TheJuliarama_y: it also looks like you just updated the patch your working on18:08
TheJuliaSo, I believe that covers current status, and planning.18:09
rama_yTheJulia, ppiela has been helping with that patch18:09
TheJuliaShall we move on to open discussion if there is nothing else?18:09
TheJuliarama_y: awesome18:09
rama_ythanks, ppiela18:09
ppielarama_y: sure18:09
anupni am fine with moving on18:10
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TheJulia#topic Open Discussion18:11
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TheJuliaI really have nothing else to chat about this week :)18:11
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ppielaMe neither18:11
anupnWhat are next things that we want to get covered in IRonic UI18:11
anupnI mean do we have some things in mind that we want to be implemented in Ironic UI?18:12
rama_yYes, any other bugs?18:12
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TheJuliaI've honestly not had time to really think abou it18:13
TheJuliaabout it18:13
TheJuliaRealistically, we should likely think about things like volume connection information18:13
TheJuliawe are close to landing that in ironic, hopefully in the next week or so18:13
ppielaWe are still significantly behind the Ironic feature set, and they keep adding more.18:13
TheJuliayup18:14
anupnHmm, yeah18:14
ppielaraid-configuration is something we have talked about18:14
anupnalso rescue (although not see it getting landed soon)18:14
rama_yyes, raid-config18:14
anupnbut rama_y is working on raid_config right?18:14
TheJuliaraid would be a good place to hit, especially since the data structure is standardized18:14
rama_yI picked it up18:15
rama_yI can start working on that.18:15
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TheJuliaawesome18:16
ppielaThanks rama_y: I think that will be a chunk of work18:16
ppielaShould we do batch enrollment from a file?18:17
TheJuliaI guess that is used some18:17
TheJuliaI'm just not sure how often it is used18:18
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ppielaThere is also support for the work mgoddard is doing on physical networking18:21
anupnoh yeah18:21
TheJuliappiela: That would be something good to target for the next cycle18:21
anupnbut he has not yet fully landed all the patches18:22
ppielayes18:22
ppielaAnd there are many more unit tests to be written :)18:26
TheJuliaIndeed :)18:26
TheJuliaAnything else for us to chat about today?18:26
ppielaI'm good18:27
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anupnnothing from me18:27
rama_ysame here18:28
TheJuliaAwesome, well, we shall talk again next week.  See you all in #openstack-ironic in the mean time!18:28
TheJuliaThank you everyone!18:29
rama_yo/18:29
anupnThanks all18:29
ppielaBye18:29
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TheJulia#endmeeting18:30
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openstackMeeting ended Tue Jun 27 18:30:12 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)18:30
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