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| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 29 14:00:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:00 |
| jeremyfreudberg | o/ | 14:01 |
| jeremyfreudberg | ::q | 14:01 |
| jeremyfreudberg | oops, wrong window | 14:01 |
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| tellesnobrega | I guess it will be just the three of us | 14:02 |
| tellesnobrega | this should be quick | 14:02 |
| tosky | at least we have some updates to record | 14:02 |
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| tellesnobrega | yes | 14:02 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News/Updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:02 | |
| jeremyfreudberg | not much for me this week | 14:03 |
| tellesnobrega | I'm still working on images, it was a little on hold due to internal stuff but I'm back to it | 14:04 |
| tosky | working on deploying Pike with containers with TripleO (and testing a bit Pike on the way) | 14:04 |
| tellesnobrega | requested tagging on stable/ocata on sahara repos, that is still ongoing | 14:04 |
| tellesnobrega | our intern on the outreachy program wrote the spec and a patch already so lets get reviewing those | 14:05 |
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| tellesnobrega | anything else tosky? | 14:05 |
| tosky | I asked around about the documentation | 14:06 |
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| tosky | (maybe another point?) | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Doc Migration | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc Migration (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:06 | |
| tellesnobrega | i had the topic already set up here | 14:07 |
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| tosky | eheh | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | go ahead | 14:07 |
| tosky | I switched from oslosphinx to openstackdocstheme, which is the step 0 for the doc migration (it's really a different spec) | 14:07 |
| tosky | I discovered afterwards that the changes can be simplified, but we can move forward for now | 14:08 |
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| tellesnobrega | tosky, I think you have a little summary of what we will need to do to accomplish doc migration goal, can you share it? | 14:09 |
| tosky | yep, sorry; | 14:10 |
| tosky | about the doc itself, the only unified document/manual that contains some sahara stuff is the configuration manual | 14:11 |
| tosky | with the configuration keys/values in sahara.conf | 14:11 |
| tosky | that should be imported | 14:11 |
| tosky | also, our existing documentation can be adapted to the new structure | 14:11 |
| tosky | the first part about installation etc could go into the installation section according the new structure | 14:12 |
| tosky | I will (slowly) follow this, it's not too complicated (unless someone beats me with the reviews of course :) | 14:12 |
| tosky | and that's it | 14:12 |
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| tellesnobrega | cool, when you say you will follow this, is to do the work or review the work? | 14:13 |
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| tellesnobrega | #topic Denver PTG | 14:14 |
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| tellesnobrega | Some projects are already working on a little schedule for the PTG, I will start to work on something for us, gathering discussion topics, and maybe do a doc fix day or bug fix | 14:15 |
| tosky | (the answer to the previous question was: do the work) | 14:15 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, perfect | 14:16 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, +1 to doc fixing day | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | I will start an etherpad and send it on the ML so we can all start contributing to it | 14:16 |
| jeremyfreudberg | +1 to that also | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | that sums up PTG I guess | 14:17 |
| tosky | I guess than the doc restructuring is the step 0 for the doc fixing day(s), or be part of it, if we don't want too many conflicting patches | 14:18 |
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| tellesnobrega | of course | 14:18 |
| tellesnobrega | once we decide whether or not to do it, we can try to create a priority list of todo's | 14:19 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Open Discussion | 14:19 |
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| tosky | about the "use infra resources for some non-fake scenario jobs" I didn't follow up yet; I wanted to join the infra meeting, but I forgot on Tuesday | 14:20 |
| tosky | but it's still on my TODO | 14:20 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | a quick reminder (mostly for my own benefit), following all that nova-network / heat changes, there are few cleanup tasks 1) remove use_neutron code paths, 2) doc fixes, 3) verifying ironic works, 4) removing the last bits of direct-engine code | 14:21 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | those todos aren't in any exact order | 14:21 |
| tosky | I would say that the priority is 3) 2) 1) 4) | 14:21 |
| tellesnobrega | +1 to tosky order | 14:22 |
| tellesnobrega | just as a heads up, I would like to bring API v2 to focus again, we lost some people on that and we were doing great, lets try to not get that into limbo again | 14:22 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | +1 to tosky order also | 14:22 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | +1 to apiv2 also | 14:23 |
| tosky | yep | 14:23 |
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| tellesnobrega | I don't have anything else for today, do any of you have any other topics to discuss? | 14:24 |
| jeremyfreudberg | one clarification | 14:24 |
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| tellesnobrega | yes | 14:25 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | regarding feature freeze, what is the extent of the meaning of "No featureful patch" (This is my first time sticking around during a release) | 14:26 |
| tellesnobrega | what is the context of that? | 14:28 |
| tosky | well, that's up to the community (which is small) and the risk of breakages (which, for a small community, is more relevant) | 14:28 |
| tosky | and yes, do you have any specific example in mind? | 14:28 |
| tosky | it's really a case-by-case | 14:28 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | not much of a specific example, I guess I was thinking of moving those cleanup tasks as late as possible and trying to land some interesting patches I have on my personal backlog sooner | 14:29 |
| tellesnobrega | if it is for a FFE, just as tosky said, it is really case by case, depending on the complexity of the change, and the amount of people available to check it out | 14:29 |
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| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, does the answer help at all? | 14:31 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, it does | 14:31 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | I do have one other thing to mention, actually | 14:33 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | I just spent a few minutes investigating some sahara-dashboard integration tests failure (which has been happening a long time), poking around in project-config a few other small projects' UIs have the same issue. | 14:34 |
| jeremyfreudberg | I was going to send mail about it, just a heads up | 14:34 |
| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, please do | 14:34 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | great, that's it for me for now | 14:35 |
| tellesnobrega | can you paste the link to the logs here? | 14:35 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes | 14:35 |
| tellesnobrega | just so we can look as well and be curious together | 14:35 |
| tosky | jeremyfreudberg: so it's something for horizon too (and other projects), not just sahara? interesting | 14:36 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | tellesnobrega, one more second, just looking around for a specific one | 14:37 |
| tellesnobrega | no worries | 14:37 |
| jeremyfreudberg | tosky: not horizon itself, just a few horizon plugins like ours | 14:37 |
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| tosky | jeremyfreudberg: but if it's the same, maybe it was a change in horizon | 14:37 |
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| tosky | the point was about which tags should be put in the email, and I think that [horizon] fits too | 14:37 |
| jeremyfreudberg | yes, definitely | 14:38 |
| jeremyfreudberg | http://logs.openstack.org/30/472330/1/check/gate-sahara-dashboard-dsvm-integration-ubuntu-xenial/803b498/console.html.gz#_2017-06-08_17_02_46_788254 is example i was thinking of | 14:38 |
| tellesnobrega | cool | 14:38 |
| tellesnobrega | i will take a look | 14:38 |
| jeremyfreudberg | sometimes it doesn't get that far though, http://logs.openstack.org/03/478103/1/check/gate-sahara-dashboard-dsvm-integration-ubuntu-xenial/c645c97/console.html#_2017-06-27_12_59_53_906576 | 14:38 |
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| tellesnobrega | jeremyfreudberg, seems like a straight forward problem/solution | 14:39 |
| tosky | uh, "Message: 'geckodriver' executable needs to be in PATH." ? | 14:39 |
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| tosky | environment issue maybe | 14:39 |
| tellesnobrega | that is what I'm thinking too | 14:40 |
| tosky | but better ask around, yeah, probably someone else hit and fixed it too | 14:40 |
| tellesnobrega | please send out the email, people will reply with good info on that | 14:40 |
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| jeremyfreudberg | yep | 14:40 |
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| tellesnobrega | if we don't have any further discussion, I will end the meeting | 14:41 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks for hard work :) | 14:42 |
| tellesnobrega | #endmeeting | 14:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 29 14:43:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-06-29-14.00.html | 14:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-06-29-14.00.txt | 14:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-06-29-14.00.log.html | 14:43 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 29 15:00:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| Swami | hi | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | hi | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | haleyb|afk won't be attending today's meeting | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:01 | |
| mlavalle | The only one I have is to remind folks that we are a little less than a month from Pike-3 | 15:02 |
| Swami | mlavalle: I think you tried to ping couple of times, but I couldn't sync. | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | Swami: yeah, I just want to make sure you are ok with his patchset: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474467/ | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | Last time we touched that inheritance relationship without your consent, we broke DVR ;-) | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | any other announcements from the team? | 15:04 |
| Swami | mlavalle: ok will check it out today. | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | thanks! | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 15:05 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 15:05 | |
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| mlavalle | Swami: stage is all yours, fire away please | 15:06 |
| Swami | mlavalle: thanks | 15:06 |
| Swami | this week I have 1 new bug related to DVR. | 15:06 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1701288 | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1701288 in neutron "In scale testing RPC timeout error seen in the ovs_neutron_agent when update_device_list is called with DVR routers" [Undecided,New] | 15:06 |
| Swami | mlavalle: I think I briefly discussed about this bug last week. | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | I think you did | 15:07 |
| Swami | I have more information on this bug after triaging more. | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | thanks! | 15:07 |
| Swami | It seems that l2pop _create_agent_fdb is taking a lot more time in large scale. | 15:07 |
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| Swami | Each DB transaction is taking around 200-300ms. | 15:08 |
| Swami | So the _create_agent_fdb is taking a long time and rpc timesout. | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | makes sense | 15:09 |
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| Swami | mlavalle: Is there a way that port-update can return and port_update_postcommit actions can run in a separate thread or in parallel. | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | No that I know of | 15:10 |
| Swami | I see that the update_port_postcommit is blocking and that's the reason for the delay. I am not a DB expert and I need some guidance here. | 15:11 |
| Swami | Probably kevinbenton might have some idea. | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | I cannot answer that from the top of my head. I will take a look at the code and the bug | 15:11 |
| Swami | mlavalle: thanks | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | out of curiosity, do you have access to an environment where you can run 3000 vms? | 15:12 |
| Swami | mlavalle: I have it in our internal datacenter not external. | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | cool! | 15:13 |
| Swami | mlavalle: I kind of checkin in the test system when they see such problems. | 15:13 |
| Swami | mlavalle: But this issue can be reproduced in the devstack and we can see the time it takes to finish the _create_agent_fdb entries. | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | ah, ok | 15:14 |
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| Swami | mlavalle: I was able to debug it through devstack. | 15:14 |
| Swami | Also this might be also associated with this bug. | 15:14 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1526855 | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1526855 in neutron "VMs fail to get metadata in large scale environments" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:14 |
| Swami | That's all I had for bugs. | 15:15 |
| Swami | I need some review on the floatingip centralized patch. | 15:16 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466434/ | 15:16 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437986/ | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | will take a look | 15:17 |
| Swami | mlavalle: thanks | 15:17 |
| Swami | mlavalle: back to you | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | added to my pile | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | thanks Swami! | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | for the update | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | First bug I have today is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1655567 | 15:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1655567 in neutron "DHCPv6 failures with "address already allocated in subnet" error" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | We merged the fix for this one about a week ago | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | so this morning I spent some time trying to find hits in Kibana | 15:19 |
| Swami | mlavalle: are you seeing it again. | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | I found some, but a couple of them happend in Ocata | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | and the other are related to a buggy patchset | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | so I am claiming victory on this one | 15:20 |
| Swami | mlavalle: great. | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | and removing it from our list in the etherpad | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | done ;-) | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1683227 | 15:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1683227 in neutron "test_connection_from_same_address_scope failed with: Cannot find device "qg-74372988-7f"" [High,Incomplete] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | I also spent time trying to find hits for this one in Kibana | 15:22 |
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| mlavalle | Found none over tha past 7 days | 15:22 |
| Swami | mlavalle: is this only happening with cvr routers are also with DVR routers, just for curiosity. | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | so I decided to port my Kibana query in the bug for everybody to see and then proceeded to mark it invalid | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | it's just not happening | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | it might have been a one of when Ihar filed the bug | 15:23 |
| Swami | mlavalle: ok | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1694764 | 15:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1694764 in neutron "test_metadata_proxy_respawned failed to spawn metadata proxy" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | I just assigned it to me and will proceed to triage / debug it later today | 15:24 |
| mlavalle | Those are all the bugs I had for today | 15:25 |
| Swami | mlavalle: ok | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | Any bugs that should be discussed today? | 15:25 |
| Swami | mlavalle: I think I have discussed all in my list. | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | Perfect, let's move on | 15:26 |
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| mlavalle | #topic DNS | 15:26 |
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| mlavalle | I have finished all the codes and related tests for adding dns_domain functionality to ports | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | I have 4 patchsets ready for review: | 15:27 |
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| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459891/ | 15:27 |
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| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457101/ | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457035 | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468697 | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | That's the update for this week | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | #topic Routed Networks | 15:28 |
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| Swami | mlavalle: thanks will review it. | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | Since I have finished DNS, next I am going to focus on adding floating ips to routed networks | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | I will be working over the next few days on the spec | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | will push it soon | 15:29 |
| mlavalle | and that's the update for this week on this subject | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | #topic Open Agenda | 15:30 |
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| Swami | mlavalle: ok thanks. | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | Any other topics we should discuss today? | 15:30 |
| Swami | mlavalle: do you have any plans for paper presentation in sydney. | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | no, but I would love to partner with you | 15:31 |
| Swami | mlavalle: any topics of interest. | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | mhhh let's think about it over the next few days | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | we still have some time | 15:32 |
| Swami | mlavalle: if you have any topic of interest let me know and I can right up an abstract. If anything comes in my mind I will let you know. | 15:32 |
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| Swami | mlavalle: yes it is July 14th. | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | great!\ | 15:32 |
| davidsha | I have a question in relation to the patch I submitted, I noticed that the q-svc seems to be causing the q-l2 to constantly add the internal router ports constantly. have either of you seen this before? | 15:32 |
| davidsha | q-l2/q-agt -_- | 15:32 |
| mlavalle | no | 15:33 |
| Swami | davidsha: can you point us to the bug or the logs that you are seeing. | 15:33 |
| davidsha | Swami: They're local, I didn't spot them in the init tests for the patch. I can make a copy and put it in pastebin if thats ok? | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | that would work | 15:34 |
| Swami | davidsha: yes that would work. | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | first impression is that it sounds like a bug. The port should be added once | 15:34 |
| Swami | mlavalle: I agree | 15:35 |
| davidsha | kk, sorry. trying to figure out where it starts and ends, I'll grab the q-agt first | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | davidsha: thanks | 15:37 |
| mlavalle | ok, if there are no other topics, lets end the meeting | 15:37 |
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| mlavalle | Swami: enjoy the long weekend | 15:37 |
| Swami | mlavalle: thanks | 15:37 |
| Swami | mlavalle: you too. | 15:37 |
| Swami | mlavalle: bye | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | I found out yesterday that Monday is also holiday for IBM Austin | 15:38 |
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| mlavalle | so 4 days weekend .... yaay! | 15:38 |
| Swami | mlavalle: we don't have leave on Monday, but I am planning to take off on Monday. | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | enjoy! | 15:38 |
| Swami | mlavalle: Happy 4th of July | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | davidsha: thanks for attending | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | and sorry for the parochial conversation at the end | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | we don't get many holidays in this country ;-) | 15:39 |
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| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:39 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 29 15:39:36 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:39 |
| davidsha | No problem, sorry I should have preped this better! | 15:39 |
| Swami | mlavalle: :-) | 15:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-06-29-15.00.html | 15:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-06-29-15.00.txt | 15:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-06-29-15.00.log.html | 15:39 |
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| mlavalle | davidsha: no need, we are here to help. conversation among friends | 15:40 |
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| davidsha | mlavalle: Move to neutron or stay here? | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | I am closing here | 15:40 |
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| edleafe | #startmeeting api wg | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 29 16:00:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_wg' | 16:00 |
| edleafe | #chair cdent elmiko edleafe | 16:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: cdent | 16:00 |
| edleafe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG#Agenda | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent edleafe elmiko | 16:00 |
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| edleafe | Who's here? | 16:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 16:00 |
| edleafe | elmiko said that he would be late | 16:00 |
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| edleafe | I'll type r-e-a-a-a-l-l-l-l-y slow until he gets here :) | 16:03 |
| edleafe | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:04 | |
| edleafe | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/ | 16:04 |
| edleafe | None, since I was the only one there :) | 16:04 |
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| edleafe | #topic open mic and new biz | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open mic and new biz (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:05 | |
| edleafe | Anyone have anything new to discuss? | 16:05 |
| * dtantsur has been slacking recently | 16:06 | |
| elmiko | o/ | 16:06 |
| elmiko | sorry, almost got sucked into the whirlpool of post meeting meeting! | 16:07 |
| * edleafe smacks dtantsur | 16:07 | |
| elmiko | lol | 16:07 |
| edleafe | So elmiko - got any new biz to discuss? | 16:07 |
| elmiko | nothing new here | 16:07 |
| elmiko | except conference travel is draining... | 16:07 |
| edleafe | Guess IBM is doing me a favor by cutting back on conference budgets | 16:08 |
| elmiko | heh | 16:08 |
| elmiko | did we end up freezing that one item from last week? | 16:08 |
| edleafe | yeah, just getting to it... | 16:08 |
| edleafe | #topic guidelines | 16:08 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guidelines (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:08 | |
| edleafe | The guideline we froze last week has no opposition, so I'll merge it | 16:08 |
| edleafe | #link Microversions: add next_min_version field in version body https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446138/ | 16:09 |
| edleafe | ...and done. | 16:09 |
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| edleafe | Let's all go out and raise minimum microversions!!!! | 16:09 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 16:09 |
| elmiko | i thought for sure there would be more backlash on "not_before" | 16:09 |
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| edleafe | that bikeshed got painted with like 30 coats | 16:10 |
| * dtantsur raises all the microversions | 16:10 | |
| elmiko | edleafe: lol, totally | 16:10 |
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| edleafe | We have two trivial typo-level fixes that I'm going to merge after the meeting unless someone objects | 16:11 |
| edleafe | #link Fix html_last_updated_fmt for Python3 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475219/ | 16:11 |
| edleafe | #link Fix missing close bracket https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478603/ | 16:11 |
| elmiko | sounds good | 16:11 |
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| edleafe | cool | 16:12 |
| edleafe | #topic bug review | 16:12 |
| edleafe | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-wg | 16:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug review (Meeting topic: api wg)" | 16:12 | |
| edleafe | Nothing new this week | 16:12 |
| edleafe | which brings us to: | 16:13 |
| edleafe | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:13 |
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| edleafe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-wg-newsletter | 16:13 |
| elmiko | i can take it | 16:13 |
| edleafe | elmiko: are you dying to do this week's letter? | 16:13 |
| edleafe | heh | 16:13 |
| edleafe | ok, then ping me when it's ready | 16:14 |
| edleafe | Anything else? | 16:14 |
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| elmiko | not dying, but i think it's fair given my recent absences | 16:14 |
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| edleafe | ok, I think that's a wrap | 16:15 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 16:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 29 16:15:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-06-29-16.00.html | 16:15 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-06-29-16.00.txt | 16:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_wg/2017/api_wg.2017-06-29-16.00.log.html | 16:15 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: annak: hi | 18:00 |
| annak | hi! | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 29 18:01:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#June_29th_2017 | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic Ocata sync | 18:02 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ocata_sync | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | first up, annak thanks for getting all the UTs to pass :-) | 18:03 |
| rkukura | +2 | 18:03 |
| annak | :) | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | also thanks for the detailed commit message, and outlining the gray areas in your email | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | in my follow up patch i am trying to get the devstack jobs to pass | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the initial issues were related to job setup | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | after couple of days of wrangling with that, the resource_mapping driver and aim_mapping driver related devstack jobs are getting setup and run properly | 18:05 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | with the resource_mapping driver the exercise tests pass | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but a couple of tests are failing from teh gbpfunc test suite (jishnu’s test suite) | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i havent followed up on those | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the issue with the aim_mapping driver is more serious | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and reinforces some of the questions that annak has asked in her email | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | most notably, neutorn has switched to using the new engine facade | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and us using the old engine factorung pattern -> with session.begin(subtransactions=true): | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | is not working | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at least with the aim_mapping driver | 18:07 |
| annak | I think its not working when wrapped with new facade (or the other way around) | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | already discussed this a little bit with annak, so this is mostly an update for you rkukura (and also for the record) | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: correct | 18:08 |
| rkukura | thanks - I’m paying attention! | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so the place where its failing is during l3p delete | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | within the big transaction we first delete the subnetpool | 18:09 |
| rkukura | Do we know what we should be doing instead of session.begin() to start a (potentially nested) transaction? | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | then we try to delete the address_scope | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: one sec | 18:09 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: keep going on your explaination | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | when we try to delete the address_scope, the deleted subnetpool (which is not yet committed) does not show up as deleted in neutron’s db_plugin | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hence address_scope delete fails | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | its over here #link https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blame/master/neutron/db/db_base_plugin_v2.py#L1195 | 18:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so to your question (and annak’s comment earlier), when the code hits this point, there is a mix of the old pattern (in ml2plus) and the new pattern ^^^ | 18:11 |
| rkukura | Do we think we are therefore running two separate transactions? | 18:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | apparently the deleted subnetpool object is not present in the same session/transaction cache when it hits the above code | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: that is my suspicios | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *suspicion | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so, i did change the pattern in ml2plus to be consistent with the new pattern, though i did it alredy in one place, in delete_addresss_scope, and it did not help | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | wondering if it has to be changed everywhere | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but before doing that i wanted to understand if this was the right thing to do (in order to maintain transactional consistency) | 18:13 |
| rkukura | right | 18:14 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | as in whether its equivalent to using the old nested/subtransactions pattern | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | posed that question to annak yesterday | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and meant to do my own reading, but havent gotten a chance to read up | 18:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | btw, reference material is here: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/enginefacade-switch | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: you seem to think changing it consistently will fix the problem? | 18:15 |
| annak | I have a deja vu about these types of errors, and was trying to find relevant commits, but didn't succeed so far | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: okay, you also mentioned something about UTs, but i didnt understand that part | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | as in why its not failing in the UTs | 18:16 |
| annak | I think we should change all transactions around subnets/subnetpools | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (my theory was that sqlite is making the issue, assuming we have the right test coverage in the first place) | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: okay | 18:17 |
| annak | yes, and it would help to understand why UTs are passing - maybe this flow is not covered? | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: :-) | 18:17 |
| annak | :) | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i would be really surprised if this flow is not getting covered in the UTs | 18:17 |
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| annak | its l3 policy deletion, correct? | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean we do have the lifecycle test | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: right | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it will only happen in the aim_mapping driver case thougs | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | though | 18:18 |
| annak | yes, that's where the subnetpool test are | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | yeah | 18:18 |
| annak | I can check the coverage | 18:18 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: the other thing is that we noticed neutron has not switched to this pattern everywhere (yet) | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: thanks | 18:19 |
| annak | if we fix this specific issue, but break subrtransactions, will this be revealed in testing? | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: it should be | 18:20 |
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| annak | good | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: we also have tests which check that rollback happens | 18:20 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Could be a problem if old and new patterns cannot be successfully nested, neutron has some flows using each, and GBP needs to wrap both kinds in neutron within same top-level transaction | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so basically an exception is raised in the innermost part of the code while creating each resource, and check that all operations are rolledback correctly | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yeah | 18:21 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there is one thing though, neutron is incrementally switching to this pattern | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so we were wondering how things dont break in the interim (like they are breaking for us now when there is mix of the patterns) | 18:22 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and whether the places that have not been migrated are on the path to migration, or in certain cases the old pattern needs to be used | 18:23 |
| rkukura | Neutron itself does not use large deeply nested transactions the way we are doing with AIM - remember the transaction guards that prevent nested calls? | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right, i was just typing that | 18:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so that might explain | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i guess we havent done enough home work on understanding the new pattern | 18:25 |
| rkukura | Is it likely that the issue mixing patterns is that different sessions get used? | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: seems like | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | it wasnt easy to instrument the code to check this (with the new pattern) | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thats what i was trying to figure out before this meeting | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the second issue was related to the queued notifications | 18:27 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: i shared the stack trace with you earlier | 18:27 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i havent had a chance to dig too much into it | 18:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | coming from here; File "/opt/stack/new/neutron/neutron/plugins/ml2/ovo_rpc.py", line 61, in _is_session_semantic_violated | 18:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: anyting you wanted to add to the above in terms of open issues? | 18:32 |
| annak | yes, I saw it too, I wasn't sure if its an issue or just a warning | 18:32 |
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| annak | I think the resource mapping failures might be syntax related | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: ah okay good | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annak: so you are not saying you saw the rpc notification issue with the resource_mapping driver as well, are you? | 18:33 |
| annak | and regarding delayed notification - do you think there's a place for backporting the fixes? | 18:34 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annak: sorry didnt understand - “do you think there's a place for backporting the fixes?” | 18:34 |
| annak | there are some fixes in notification area that are not related to ocata | 18:35 |
| annak | (these issues happen when extra callbacks are added) | 18:36 |
| annak | so I wasn't sure if it was relevant to backport | 18:36 |
| rkukura | just for the record, I still believe our approach to delaying notifications is not ideal | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i agree, you have my complete support to changing it :-) | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: if you think the issue exists in neutron as well, sure we should backport the fix | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i meant newton not neutron | 18:38 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annak: is this something you outlined in your email, or something else? | 18:39 |
| annak | yes | 18:39 |
| annak | ok, will backport | 18:40 |
| rkukura | For annak’s benefit, my argument has been that we should not delay the in-process callbacks, which are intended to be run at specific points during request processing (i.e. before, inside, or after transactions), but should instead find a way to delay sending the outgoing messages that they emit. What we’vfe been doing may have worked, but changes in the callback methods could break it at any time. | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: we are not delaying the in-process callbacks (or at least we dont intend to) | 18:41 |
| annak | rkukura: thanks, Sumit explained to me the motivation and weak points | 18:41 |
| annak | it seems indeed fragile | 18:41 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I must be really confused, but I thought we were delaying certain ones of them | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | not in-process | 18:42 |
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| rkukura | the callback method itself is in-process, and may send a message via AMQP to other processes | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we aim to indentify all the in-process callbacks, and send them immediately | 18:42 |
| rkukura | so my understanding is we’ve tried to delay only the callbacks that send AMQP messages | 18:43 |
| annak | according to the code, if in-process callbacks exist, out-of-process will not be delayed as well | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:43 |
| rkukura | but the code that sends the messages may expect to be called at a certain point (i.e. inside or outside the transaction) | 18:43 |
| rkukura | sounds like we are all on the same page here | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right, so there are certain exceptions to the out-of-process notifications as well | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: there are some out-of-process notifications which we send immediately | 18:44 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Didn’t realize that | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: for the reason that you mentioned, but with the downside that if the transaction fails, the notification sent was incorrect | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: but in these cases it seems the agent is resilient | 18:45 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we havent seen issues, but we might not have tested it enough | 18:45 |
| rkukura | Just to avoid confusion, I prefer the term “callback” for the in-process method calls (via the registry), and “notification” for the messages sent via AMQP. Some “callbacks” generate “notifications” and others don’t. | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: sure, good characterization | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: coming to your point | 18:46 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: if i recall correctly, we do discriminate based on the called entity in terms of whether we want to queue or not given a particular event | 18:47 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | it was not intended to process the event just one way or the other (meaning either delay or not) | 18:48 |
| annak | yes | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the in-process entities should get called immediately, and the entities which perform the out-of-process notification should get queued | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for the same event | 18:49 |
| SumitNaiksatam | at least that was the goal | 18:49 |
| annak | so i think the behavior is wrong then | 18:50 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | annak: okay, perhaps you can point to the specifics | 18:51 |
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| annak | yes, just a sec | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: the other thing was in the email you mentioned about events being eaten | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: so would be curious to know where that happened as well | 18:51 |
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| annak | https://github.com/openstack/group-based-policy/blob/master/gbpservice/network/neutronv2/local_api.py#L170 | 18:53 |
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| annak | oh sorry I think I was wrong.. | 18:56 |
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| annak | I'll need to revisit the fix | 18:56 |
| annak | sorry :) | 18:56 |
| annak | I did see the callback disappear, but my fix is not good | 18:57 |
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| annak | if in_process_callback exist, we'll never get to queue anything, right? because callbacks is set to in_process_callbacks | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: annak: sorry i lost network connectivity | 18:59 |
| annak | so the out_of_process callback is lost | 18:59 |
| annak | but I assumed this was the desired behavior, and fixed according to it | 18:59 |
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| annak | so I need to refix according to what SumitNaiksatam explained | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annak: i will read the chat transcript | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and i think you have details in your email as well, which i overlooked | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have hit the hour, so will end the meeting now | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 29 19:00:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-06-29-18.01.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-06-29-18.01.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-06-29-18.01.log.html | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: annak thanks for joining | 19:01 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:01 |
| annak | bye! | 19:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i am in #openstack-gbp if we want to continue the discussion | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | or available on chat as well | 19:01 |
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