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reedipno taas meeting today ?06:01
yamamotoit seems so06:02
yamamotodo you have a topic?06:02
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reedipNothing much but I added https://review.openstack.org/454788 for TaaS stadium06:05
reedipyamamoto : you already went through it once, but I updated it and opened it for review to track the left over items06:06
reedip#startmeeting taas06:06
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun 28 06:06:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is reedip. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.06:06
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.06:06
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reedip#topic opendiscussion06:06
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reedipI added https://review.openstack.org/454788 for TaaS stadium06:06
reedipI would like the tap-as-a-service team members to review it06:06
reedipyamamoto : let me know if you have any points06:07
reedipfor the meeting06:08
yamamotothank you for the assessment patch06:08
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yamamotoi don't have anything to bring up here today06:09
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reedipyamamoto : ok, sure. hoping reviews in the assesment patch then so that we can work things out06:09
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reedipjust FYI , igordcard mentioned that the Common Classifier Framework got merged some time back ( the Spec)06:10
reedipso we may need to look into it as once the neutron-classifier code is in place06:10
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reedip#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993/06:10
reedipthats it from my side06:11
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yamamotothank you06:12
reedipif thats all, we can close the meeting, in case no one else has anything to add (??)06:14
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yamamotoi have nothing to add06:20
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reedip#endmeeting taas10:00
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yamamotolong meeting10:00
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reedipyamamoto : I forgot to close it :( was called into a separate meeting10:38
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zhipenghi14:07
zhipenganyone here for the publiccloud wg meeting ?14:07
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zhipenghi tobberydberg14:12
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sauloaislanMorning14:35
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prometheanfire!startmeeting requirements15:01
openstackprometheanfire: Error: "startmeeting" is not a valid command.15:01
prometheanfire#startmeeting requirements15:02
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prometheanfire#topic rollcall15:03
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coolsvapHello :-)15:03
prometheanfireyo15:04
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prometheanfireok, just us then :D15:06
coolsvapprometheanfire: looks like it15:06
prometheanfire#topic open reviews wanting discussion in the queue15:07
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prometheanfireguess not, I don't have anything15:08
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prometheanfiresince tony's back I wanted to bring up moving the meeting again15:09
prometheanfirehttps://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?qm=1&lid=2172517,100,4726206,12&h=2172517&date=2017-6-28&sln=22-2315:09
coolsvapmy timezone is not listed and we dont have anyone else to vote :)15:11
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prometheanfireya15:12
prometheanfirewhat's your timezone?15:12
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coolsvapIST15:12
coolsvapbut I am fine with most timezones15:12
coolsvapfrom the last exercise I remember we did not reach to a consensus where everyone is well placed to attend meeting15:13
prometheanfirethe suggestion is 7:00 AM US central15:13
prometheanfirethat's what he suggested15:13
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coolsvapthat should be fine with me as well15:14
prometheanfirek, I'll pass it on and ask the others when you can15:14
coolsvapsure15:15
coolsvapI will start looking into the queue in couple of days15:17
prometheanfireother than that the only thing I have is to point out to do reviews :D15:18
prometheanfireyep15:18
prometheanfirewill end the meeting unless someone else speaks up15:18
coolsvapyes15:19
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prometheanfire#endmeeting15:21
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eglute#startmeeting interopwg16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun 28 16:00:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'interopwg'16:00
eglute#topic agenda16:00
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eglute#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropVertigo.616:00
egluteHello Everyone, please check the agenda and update as needed16:01
luzCo/16:01
eglutelet us know if you are here for interop meeting o/16:01
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hogepodgeo/16:01
Rockygo/16:01
mguineyo/16:02
eglute#chair hogepodge16:02
openstackCurrent chairs: eglute hogepodge16:02
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eglute#topic meeting next week16:03
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egluteTuesday next week is a holiday in the US, so i propose we cancel the meeting next week16:04
egluteany disagreement?16:04
Rockygyay!16:05
hogepodge+1 on canceling16:05
egluteheh, i was worried there for a bit :D16:05
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eglute#topic Info: Denver PTG16:05
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catherine_d|1o/16:06
eglutejust a reminder to plan your travels to Denver PTG16:06
* eglute still needs to book travel16:06
eglute#2017.08 Guideline16:06
eglute#topic 2017.08 Guideline16:06
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eglute#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472848/16:07
eglutereviews welcome16:07
eglutealso still a couple outstanding patches16:07
eglute#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467528/16:07
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eglutemguiney seems like that patch is on hold for now?16:07
hogepodgeI think it will be resolved soon.16:08
hogepodgeOne small update will get it passing the gate.16:09
eglutethanks hogepodge!16:09
mguineywe just need to resolve the disagreement on whether it should eventually pull from the website16:09
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mguineywhich is why i hadn't pushed the new patch yet16:09
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eglutemguiney do you need additional reviews on that?16:10
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egluteyour last comment says you will have a discussion in our meeting16:11
mguineyi would definitely love more feedback, if anyone else has thoughts on the matter16:11
mguineyyes, i was planning on adding it to notes for this patch, but it slipped my mind16:11
mguiney(apologies)16:11
hogepodgeI can leave a comment, but I tend to agree with mtreinish that external access is a bad idea for a test suite16:11
mguineyi thought that sounded like it made sense16:12
mguineyi'll push the patch later today, then16:12
hogepodgeand we're so close to passing the gate, even if it's held for more discussion I'd like to see that. :-D16:12
eglutewhats the alternative?16:12
mguineypulling from a yet-to-be-finished json file rather than hardcoding standardized values16:13
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eglutethanks mguiney. let us know if you need some help16:14
mguineycan do!16:14
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egluteanything else on this patch?16:15
mguineynope!16:15
eglutethanks mguiney!16:15
egluteanother patch for 2017.08 is this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475906/16:16
egluteplease review, but it looks good to me16:16
egluteanything else on the new guideline?16:16
eglute#topic Mandatory submission of test results16:17
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eglutehogepodge any updates?16:17
hogepodgeI'd like for the wg to give guidance on this, refstack team is pushing back16:18
eglutehogepodge can you elaborate16:18
hogepodgefor now I'd like the option to send up the subunit files, visible only to foundation staff16:18
hogepodgewith the possibility of requiring them in the future16:18
hogepodgeit's way to easy to falsify test results, and no personal data is sent with the subunit output16:19
eglutecatherine_d|1 what is your opinion on this16:19
hogepodgeand it would be held under our privacy guidelines regardless, only accessible to authorized staff16:19
Rockygwhat does refstack see as the problem?16:20
catherine_d|1Just to clarify ... Refstack team does not push back just want to state the background for discussion16:20
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catherine_d|1Rockyg: please see RefStack topic on line 4016:21
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eglute#topic RefStack and test results16:21
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eglutewe have time to discuss this today, as Mark is out on vacation and no updates on vertical programs16:22
luzCI agree with Chris about the usefulness of the file16:23
egluteI am ok with foundation storing the results, but we need to figure out how to officially ask for them16:23
catherine_d|1Many of us was not on the project since day one ... it is now the right time to revisit ..16:23
eglutecatherine_d|1 correct... and i do remember the privacy concerns16:23
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luzCalso not sure if refstack would need an actual legal disclaimer or something... because of the potential content of the file - out of refstack control16:24
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eglutewe could ask foundation's legal team for help with the disclaimer i am sure16:26
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eglutebut at this point, if we want the full test results, we would need to implement something that asks for them16:26
catherine_d|1eglute: ++ since foundation actually own the content once it is uploaded16:26
eglutehogepodge catherine_d|1 have you received any full results without asking for them?16:27
catherine_d|1eglute: nope16:27
egluteso yeah, i think we need to ask for them16:27
egluteand make it easy to submit16:27
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hogepodgeeglute: I ask for subunit results all the time when I'm working with companies on getting their products tested16:27
catherine_d|1the full results is process by RefStack to generate the JSON file at the client side16:27
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hogepodgeso it's often being sent in plaintext to email anyway, an optional upload to refstack would give me a data store and give them a secure channel to transmit data16:28
eglutewe could have an option for people to opt out of submitting full results, but ask for full by default.16:28
catherine_d|1once the decision is made and document RefStack will add this feature16:28
hogepodgeTo start, I'd rather it be opt-in16:28
catherine_d|1documented16:29
egluteok, i am in favor of opt-in, and submit the results through refstack.16:29
luzC+116:30
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eglutei dont think this will solve the issue of falsified results, but i would like to start with officially asking for them results16:30
RockygI don't think we need board approval for opt in.  We would for opt out16:30
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RockygBut should get foundation lawyers to review for any needed disclaimers.16:31
catherine_d|1what does opt in mean in for  RefStack?16:31
catherine_d|1option for upload?16:32
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eglutei do not think we need board approval for this at all, but we should send out emails to mailing lists about the change.16:32
eglutecatherine_d|1 correct16:32
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eglutecatherine_d|1 this would be additional feature for refstack, in addition to what you currently have16:32
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hogepodgecatherine_d|1: yes, a flag to send the subunit file to the server16:33
eglutehow you implement that, i think it is up to refstack's team16:33
catherine_d|1For RefStack this is a change to its  design principle, it would be nice that we can cite some document somewhere suggested the chance ( an email to the community would be fine ...)16:34
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eglutecatherine_d|1 would you like me and hogepodge to draft up such an email?16:34
catherine_d|1chance --> change16:34
catherine_d|1eglute: that would work ..16:34
Rockyg++16:35
eglute#action eglute and hogepodge to write an email regarding the change for RefStack + full results16:35
egluteanything else on this?16:35
catherine_d|1since this concern was discussed at lenght before ... something to show that this decision is revised would be nice16:35
eglutecatherine_d|1 noted :) we will try to do so. will have you review email before sending out16:36
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catherine_d|1eglute: thanks16:37
hogepodgeschedule a vote for a few weeks out? give time for community review (esp mark, since he's not here)16:37
egluteanything else on this?16:37
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catherine_d|1nope for me16:37
eglutea vote on refstack results?16:37
hogepodgeif not a vote, a formal decision by the wg, and you and mark as the chairs of the wg16:38
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catherine_d|1hogepodge: ++++16:38
RockygI also epect once the email goes out, we might want to add a sentence or two to the right defcore doc.16:38
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eglute#action markvoelker hogepodge eglute to send out formal decision after email has gone out16:39
Rockyg++16:39
eglute#action eglute hogepodge markvoelker catherine_d|1 update official interop docs to reflect the change16:40
catherine_d|1lots of thing we can do at RefStack... once this is a green light16:40
catherine_d|1we may get rid of the JSON file now that we have the raw data16:41
eglutethank you catherine_d|116:41
catherine_d|1RefStack will take care of that16:41
egluteright, we would like to leave implementation details to the RefStack team16:42
egluteanything else?16:42
Rockygcatherine_d|1, yeah, but we can't do that until subunit file is required16:42
Rockyg:)16:42
eglute#topic open floor16:42
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catherine_d|1Rockyg: absolutely16:42
egluteany other discussions today?16:42
hogepodgev2 schema is in progress16:42
eglutethank you hogepodge! I left it off the agenda16:43
hogepodgeSome items of note as I've worked it up16:43
eglute#topic schema 2.016:43
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eglute#action everyone please review schema 2.016:43
hogepodgeI'm allowing any data folks want in the metadata section. Should be useful for non-board guidelines to put relevant info in there16:43
eglute#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430556/16:43
eglute+116:43
hogepodgeI've also broken out the section for scoring criteria (to allow other orgs to define their own criteria)16:44
eglute+116:44
hogepodgeAnd I moved the openstack board approval info to it's own subobject in the metadata. Again, to not force non-interopwg users to follow that process16:44
eglute+116:45
RockygCool.  Great thinking/foresight16:45
hogepodgeI'm trying to do qa and documentation as I go along, but everything is in a wip in state. Still, take a look and leave comments16:45
RockygI'll have to review, now.16:45
eglutethank you hogepodge, i really like it so far16:45
hogepodgecatherine_d|1: of note for you, I'm trying to be consistent in how I name things, so refstack parsing should be aware of it16:46
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egluteanything else on schema 2.0?16:47
hogepodgenope, hoping to be done with it before our next meeting16:47
eglutenice, thanks again hogepodge16:47
eglute#open floor16:47
egluteanything else for today?16:47
egluteif not, we can end early!16:48
eglutethanks everyone and see you all in 2 weeks!16:48
eglute#endmeeting16:48
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mguineyhave a good day, all!16:48
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catherine_d|1bye16:49
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Rockygttfn16:50
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mrhillsman:( missed the meeting18:15
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bh526rtest18:23
bh526r#endmeeting18:23
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robcresswell#startmeeting horizon20:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun 28 20:01:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'horizon'20:01
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robcresswellHey everyone20:02
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robcresswellI'm back from holidaying for a while now, so hopefully we can pick up review pace again as we close on the final milestone20:03
robcresswellWe've an empty agenda, so I think we can just use the time for open discussion20:04
robcresswell#topic Open Discussion20:04
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robcresswellBtw, is anyone intending on attending the PTG?20:04
ying_zuoIs this a valid issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/169895320:04
openstackLaunchpad bug 1698953 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "The owner column in angular images panel should be renamed as "project"" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Ying Zuo (yingzuo)20:04
ying_zuohorizon has been using “project” so I was little confused with “owner”. thought it’s referring to an actual user.20:04
ying_zuoI think it can go either way. Just want to check which one is more preferable.20:05
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rdopierao/20:05
jeremy_moffitthoping to attend PTG, waiting on budget approval, probably 50/50 at this point... is there a deadline for committing to attend?20:05
rdopiera(sorry for being late)20:05
robcresswellying_zuo: I would stick to "Owner", tbh. I think we can even remove Python Images this cycle iirc.20:06
robcresswellDjango Images, I mean20:06
rdopierajeremy_moffitt: I don't think there is a deadline20:06
robcresswelljeremy_moffitt: Cool! I should be there I believe. Summit is quite unlikely though.20:06
ying_zuocool. Thanks Rob.20:06
rdopierajeremy_moffitt: but plane tickets are not getting cheaper20:06
robcresswelljeremy_moffitt: No, afaik there's no deadline, but hotels and flights go up not down :)20:06
jeremy_moffittgood point, will pester more on it20:07
jeremy_moffitton another note, if you've spare review cycles, would love a core look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337936/20:07
jeremy_moffittbeen a couple months and up to 7 +1s, rebased it last week20:07
rdopierathat's a lot of +1s20:08
robcresswellThat's a lot of +1s20:08
robcresswellhaha!20:08
robcresswellI will take a look, I don't want to hold it up; I have to admit though, I am a little reluctant to spend much review time on theming patches. Its a little low on my priority list. I can appreciate wanting to close out Diana's work though.20:09
jeremy_moffittthats basically what we're trying to do... if its a definitive no due to priorities thats an answer we can take, but I'd like to get a solid up or down so we can close out on this one (and ~3 other similar patches)20:10
ying_zuoThe angular images panel seems to be showing the same information as the admin one. Is that right?20:10
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ying_zuoIf so, maybe we don't need the admin images panel?20:11
gary-smithAnother theming change of Diana's that could use a review is https://review.openstack.org/303625 (one of the 3 Jeremy mentioned)20:12
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robcresswelljeremy_moffitt: Understood. I was a big fan of the theming effort when it was fixing inconsistencies and allow extensibility, but now that its adding widgets I'm a little less enthusiastic. I'll get some reviews done so we can close the work out and move on. Sound fair?20:12
rdopieraying_zuo: I think the admin one shows more images20:12
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robcresswellStarred both20:13
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jeremy_moffittroscresswell: sounds great, thanks! we can drop things that aren't an easy approve... figure you're tired of us hassling you about it too ;-)20:13
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jeremy_moffittbah, typo'd your name, sorry20:14
jeremy_moffitts and b aren't even close on the keyboard either20:14
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robcresswellying_zuo: This was another thing we discussed a couple summits back. Its a bit of a challenging issue; when Horizon was written, Project/Admin had a clearer distinction, now things are murky.20:14
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robcresswellhaha20:15
ying_zuorobcresswell: project/images panel is showing more images than the django one.20:15
robcresswelljeremy_moffitt: Most clients let you tab autocomplete irc nicks.20:15
jeremy_moffittrobcresswell, so they do... I didnt know that, thanks20:15
robcresswellying_zuo: Probably Glance version inconsistencies. The Angular one has better v2 support iirc.20:15
ying_zuorobcresswell: I see. good to know. thanks.20:16
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robcresswellIf there is a possibility of attending the PTG, please appeal to managers; it really is very useful to discuss key issues with a larger group, align priorities, and just meet people20:17
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robcresswellAny other questions/ patches?20:19
robcresswellRemember that if you don't get time in the meeting, the dev mailer is always available. Please use it to ask for help etc any time :)20:20
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rdopieraWe weill be discussing tomorrow automating horizon testing20:24
rdopierawith out QE team20:24
rdopieraI'm going to push for doing as much as possible upstream20:24
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rdopieraif that's allright?20:25
rdopierait means we will be probably trying to bring back the selenium tests20:25
rdopierawith support this time20:25
robcresswellTesting work would be very welcome20:25
robcresswellI don't mind hugely how we do it, as long as its stable and readable.20:27
rdopieraroger20:27
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robcresswellAlright, I think we can call it there20:30
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robcresswellThanks everyone! See you in #openstack-horizon :)20:31
robcresswell#endmeeting20:31
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-06-28-20.01.html20:31
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-06-28-20.01.txt20:31
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2017/horizon.2017-06-28-20.01.log.html20:31
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