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soichihi05:32
kazhi05:33
soichi#startmeeting taas05:34
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep  6 05:34:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is soichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.05:34
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.05:34
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yamamotohi05:34
soichi#topic OpenDiscussion05:34
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soichiyamamoto: hi05:34
soichiQueend PTG etherpad05:35
soichi#link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-queens-ptg05:35
soichii'm not sure, but some discussions related with TaaS will be made05:37
-soichi- Tap-as-a-Service05:37
-soichi- $B!/(Beutron stadium progress05:37
-soichi- $B!"(Bdoption of CCF05:37
soichi- Neutron stadium progress05:37
soichi- Adoption of CCF05:38
yamamotoi wonder who added them05:39
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soichii have no idea05:39
soichimay be reedip?05:40
yamamotoi guess so05:40
soichiyamamoto: unfortunately, we (i and kaz) can not attend PTG. Would you please share information if there are any progress related with TaaS?05:43
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yamamotosure05:43
soichithank you05:43
reediphi yes , I added it05:43
soichireedip: hi05:44
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soichido you have any topics for today?05:44
reediphello soichi . I would also not be joining PTG, so I am also waiting for yamamoto to share whatever is discussed for TaaS there :)05:45
soichireedip: i see05:45
reedipsoichi : none right now..05:45
kazreedip: i posted a review about OSC support. please check it out.05:47
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yamamotoreedip: soichi: do you want to review dashboard patches, or should i just merge them?05:49
yamamotohttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tap-as-a-service-dashboard05:50
soichiyamamoto: i will take a look it05:50
yamamotothank you05:50
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soichiwe can close today's meeting if you have no more topics.05:53
kazi think so.05:53
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soichiwe would like to skip next week IRC because of the week of PTG05:54
soichiyamamoto: have a good flight to Denver05:54
yamamotoi guess i need to start packing suitcase. cumbersome.05:55
reedipyamamoto : will review, have a good flight05:55
reedipkaz : ok, will check05:55
kazreedip: thank you05:56
kazyamamoto: have a good trip.05:56
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soichi#endmeeting05:58
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Sep  6 05:58:06 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)05:58
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-09-06-05.34.html05:58
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-09-06-05.34.txt05:58
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/taas/2017/taas.2017-09-06-05.34.log.html05:58
soichibye05:58
kazbye05:58
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prometheanfire#startmeeting requirements12:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep  6 12:01:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is prometheanfire. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.12:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.12:01
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tonybo/12:01
prometheanfiredirk: dims tonyb  toabctl ?12:01
toabctlhi12:02
dirko/12:02
prometheanfire#topic rollcall12:03
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prometheanfirelets do it official :P12:03
tonybhehe12:04
prometheanfiretonyb, prometheanfire, number80, dirk, coolsvap, toabctl, smcginnis12:05
toabctlhi12:05
* prometheanfire needs to be better about copying that12:05
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prometheanfire#topic Any controversies in the Queue?12:06
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tonybI don't think so.12:07
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prometheanfirepyroute2 is annoying, but not controversial12:08
tonybLots of red from Jenkins12:08
prometheanfireya, want to try and clean some of that up by the ptg12:09
prometheanfirespeaking of...12:09
prometheanfire#topic ptg12:09
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prometheanfire#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-PTG-requirements12:10
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tonybI think it's worth spending 20mins to get dirk's g-r cleanups merged during our sessions12:10
prometheanfireI'll send that to the -dev list, but that's our monday/tuesday12:10
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prometheanfireya, can be part of 1.112:11
dirktonyb: +112:12
tonybsure12:12
prometheanfiredirk: I'm sure you love rebasing that :P12:12
dirkyeah, I was wondering whether I should do that once more or whether we want to discuss it first12:12
dirkI'm not sure where we are12:12
prometheanfirethe main thing I'd like to see between now and the ptg is a cleanup  of the queue, meaning getting rid of some of that red12:13
prometheanfireI think we should semi-freeze on friday as well, since we will all be traveling12:13
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prometheanfiredirk: I think we just need to line up the reviews so you can get merged12:13
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dirkdo we want to discuss diversions from g-r?12:14
dirkthere are a couple of projects that are now diverting from g-r partially12:15
prometheanfirehow do you mean?12:15
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prometheanfirelike swift?12:15
dirkI think monasca or designate? basically they have additional deps not in g-r12:15
dirkso they allow them to be used for their own purposes in addition to what comes via g-r12:15
dirkon the one hand this makes coinstallability hard but if we consider it a concept that there is "common stuff" and "extra" deps then the whole mess would maybe be more modular12:16
dirkand it goes into the "divergent requirements" direction as well12:16
tonybIf they're managed they can't do that thing.12:17
prometheanfirethat seems outside the scopte of divergant requirements12:17
dirkto be honest I don't have a strong opinion about this, as the current state is a million times better than a year ago or so when we started with teh g-r/uc enforcement12:17
prometheanfiretonyb: yep12:17
prometheanfireI think we should talk to them about their situation12:17
dirktonyb: yeah its a new thing12:17
dirkI think it was a dependency that we rejected12:17
prometheanfiremonasca and designate should be end of week I think?12:17
dirkmonasca is not at the PTG12:18
dirkI am not sure which project it was, I need to search for it again12:18
tonybYeha I think we need to make time to talk to them about what they're doing12:18
prometheanfireadded to etherpad12:18
prometheanfiredirk: if it is a project other than those two please update the etherpad (number 11 there)12:19
prometheanfire#topic open discussion12:19
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prometheanfireI'll try and bug them beforehand as well12:19
tonybcool12:20
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prometheanfiregonna give people 1-2 more minutes to speak up12:21
* tonyb doesn12:21
tonyb't have anything to discuss really12:21
* dirk neither12:22
dirkI'm in pre-PTG brain freeze12:22
prometheanfiredirk: aren't we all :P12:22
prometheanfirek12:22
prometheanfire#endmeeting12:22
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Sep  6 12:22:58 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)12:23
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-09-06-12.01.html12:23
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openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2017/requirements.2017-09-06-12.01.log.html12:23
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eglute#startmeeting interopwg16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep  6 16:00:35 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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markvoelkero/16:00
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eglute#chair markvoelker hogepodge16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker16:00
mguineyo/16:01
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eglute#topic agenda16:01
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hogepodgehi!16:01
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eglute#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropVertigo.1416:01
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egluteeveryone, please take a look at the agenda and update as needed!16:02
markvoelker#info No meeting next week due to PTG in Denver16:02
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markvoelker#topic PTG16:03
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markvoelkerFor those of you coming to Denver, have a look at the PTG schedule here:16:03
markvoelker#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xmOdT6uZ5XqViActr5sBOaz_mEgjKSCY7NEWcAEcT-A/edit#gid=397241312 PTG schedule16:03
markvoelkerInterop/RefStack have Monday and Tuesday full-day sessions16:03
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markvoelkerAlso, don't forget there's a BoD meeting on Sunday:16:04
markvoelker#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/10Sep2017BoardMeeting BoD Meeting Info16:04
hogepodgeOn the schedule, please feel free to suggest other sessions or times.16:04
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eglutei will be at the board meeting! anyone else planning to attend ?16:04
markvoelkereglute: I should be there too16:05
eglutemarkvoelker great!16:05
hogepodgemarkvoelker: eglute: if you feel we need more time for anything you can push things around. I loaded our mornings and left the late afternoons free16:05
hogepodgeI'll be at the board meeting also16:05
eglutethank you hogepodge for working on the schedule. i will take a look in more detail16:05
eglutebut so far looks good to me16:05
* markvoelker notes that someone named Irma may yet mess with travel plans, but doesn't currently forsee issues16:05
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eglutehogepodge markvoelker and i will be working on the board report as well, if anyone want us to note anything in that report, please let us know16:06
eglutewe will be presenting to the board the new guidelines and asking for approval16:06
* eglute hopes weather cooperates and Irma gets demoted to a sprinkle.... 16:07
markvoelkerOne other important PTG note: team photos!16:07
markvoelker#info Team Photo will be Tuesday at 10:40am16:07
hogepodgeYou have to think about all sorts of things when you're a PTL16:07
hogepodgeOh, one item we might want to add to the agenda is converting from a WG to a SIG16:08
* eglute wonders if we could dress up as onions for the photo shoot16:08
markvoelker#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropDenver2017PTG InteropWG PTG schedule16:08
hogepodgeThe main benefit would be that we could roll RefStack into the Interop SIG16:08
eglutehogepodge please add that to the agenda then!16:08
markvoelkerhogepodge: Seems reasonable to add; I know this has come up a couple of times over the past few weeks.16:09
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hogepodgeYeah, I've been crabby about it. We change our names too much ;-)16:10
markvoelkerAny other PTG-related items we want to discuss today?16:10
markvoelkerOk, let's move on then.16:11
eglutecan't wait to see everyone there :D16:11
markvoelker#topic Extension programs16:11
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markvoelkerLet's take a quick pass at the queue as we have a few patches out16:12
markvoelker#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492635/ Designate extenstion program16:12
eglutelooks good to me!!16:13
eglute+2 :D thank you hogepodge16:13
markvoelkerThis one feels like we're pretty much in agreement on the basics.  I'm still not sure I like the "ptl_proposed" achievement that we talked about the other week though.16:13
markvoelkerHow do other folks feel about that?16:14
markvoelkerSee line ~55 of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492635/2/extensions/dns.next.json for info16:14
eglutei think we should update that before it goes into required16:14
eglutebut good for now16:15
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hogepodgeI can send a patch up right now removing it.16:15
markvoelkerOne concern for me is how the BoD might react to it, as this is not a criteria that has been in previous programs16:16
eglutemarkvoelker what do you propose? i think we talked about replacing it with something else before16:16
hogepodgeI think it would make sense to ask for their guidance on it. Part of my reasoning was that we should be listening to project leadership, as they are the subject matter experts.16:17
markvoelkerPersonally I'm not sure we need it at all...using the criteria we have for Powered but scoping to an appropriate audience for an extension program seems sufficient to me.16:17
hogepodgePlus, I want to encourage all projects to generate their own guidelines that we can draw upon.16:18
markvoelkerTalking to the PTL's/cores/other parts of the community is already something we do in Powered too.16:18
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eglutehogepodge i agree on listening to PTL, but perhaps just having them document how things are scored?16:18
hogepodgeBut we don't explicitly mark their opinions as a reason for inclusion.16:18
markvoelkerMy main concern is that it boils down to an opinion of a small part of the community (and carries a relatively hefty weight).16:18
Rockygor exclusion16:19
hogepodgeAll of this is negotiable, and since nothing is required the proposal cost is low. I can remove it though, either way it's no big deal to me. It's mainly there because I didn't know what criteria to include originally, so all my decisions as to what was added came from PTL suggestions.16:20
hogepodgeThat's the reason any capability is there.16:20
hogepodgeJust let me know and I can adjust the patches.16:20
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markvoelkerPersonally I'd favor removing it if no one has strong opinions in favor of keeping it....16:21
eglute+1 on removal16:21
* markvoelker doesn't hear anyone advocating for keeping so suggests we go ahead and remove it16:23
eglute+216:23
markvoelkerOk, I'll keep an eye out for the update from hogepodge then, and we'll land this after that.16:24
markvoelkerSound good?16:24
hogepodgedns review updated16:24
markvoelker=)16:24
Rockyg kewl16:24
hogepodgeuh wait, needs more work16:25
markvoelkerOk, let's talk about Heat while Jenkins runs and we get kinks ironed out...16:25
markvoelker#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490648/ Heat extension16:26
markvoelkerSo, a bit more discussion on this one.  I think that last patch added stack-update and worked out a few organizational suggestions...16:28
markvoelkerBut I've not reviewed patchset 5 yet16:28
markvoelkererr...6 now =)16:29
hogepodge(I'm getting on a plane soon so I'm motivated to finish off work)16:29
markvoelkerAnyone else have things to say about the current set?16:29
eglutei need to review newest patches as well16:30
Rockygmy browser is having problems, so can't see :-(16:31
markvoelkerOk, let's see if we can polish this off in the next day or two then--I'd like to be able to show the preliminaries off to the BoD on Sunday16:31
* markvoelker blocks a couple hours on his calendar16:32
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markvoelkerAnything else on the Heat extension?16:33
eglutesame as you markvoelker need to do final review16:33
egluteno, nothing else16:33
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hogepodgeneed to update based on comments on patch set 3, so another review is coming soon16:34
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eglutethank you hogepodge16:34
markvoelkerOk, last one on the queue is this one then:16:34
markvoelker#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472785/ Extensions draft16:34
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eglutethere are some good comments from hogepodge that i think need to be addressed16:35
* hogepodge just pushed up another heat review, patch set 7 should be the final barring errors or new comments16:35
hogepodgeeglute: markvoelker: we're planning on bringing this to the board on Sunday, right?16:36
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egluteit would be good if we did16:36
markvoelkerSure.  Doesn't even have to be final--the Board's input would be welcome too.16:36
markvoelkerI'll note that we've showed this to them once before as well (in June)16:37
egluteagreed16:37
markvoelkerI plan on making a few touch-ups in the next day or so.  One thing that would be nice to settle on: is "extension" the term we've agreed upon? =)16:38
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eglutethank you hogepodge for patching things so quickly, will review!16:39
* Rockyg luzC there's p;ent of room at the table ;-)16:39
eglutei think naming is up to foundation. hogepodge what have you heard?16:39
Rockygplenty16:39
Rockygouch.  bad timing on my correction.  Sorry16:40
luzC1Rockyg ;)16:40
markvoelkerI don't really have much of an opinion on "add-on" vs "extension" vs something else personally16:40
luzC1I'll take a look at the patches too... I'm a little behind on reviewing the extensions16:41
hogepodgehaha, I think it's a community choice.16:41
hogepodgeI've been saying extension because I like it better16:41
hogepodgeI can ask the exec staff for their preferences though16:41
markvoelkerI've been saying "add-on" because "extension" had a negative connotation for interoperability for a time there. =)16:41
eglutehogepodge i was thinking that marketing people might have some input16:41
eglutei do like add-on as well16:42
markvoelkerBut again, the name doesn't matter much to me...just trying to be consistent16:42
eglutebut i do not have strong preferences for the names16:42
egluteagreed, for as long as we are consistent and marketing people approve :)16:42
markvoelkerOk, so I'll just pick one and stick with it when I update the patch and we can get feedback on a final name later.16:43
hogepodgeConsensus from exec and marketing staff is "add on"16:44
markvoelkerBTW hogepodge: by "logo assets are out of date" I assume you were talking about the old OpenStack 3D/shadow logo vs the new 2D one?16:44
markvoelkerOk, thanks...I'll go with that for now then16:44
hogepodgemarkvoelker: yeah16:44
markvoelkerCool, I'll update that too16:44
hogepodgeI'll update language where I've used it. New patches coming soon :-D16:45
eglutethank you hogepodge16:45
egluteand thank you for checking with the exec and marketing staff!16:45
markvoelkerAny other major issues we want to discuss with this one?16:46
eglutenope!16:46
eglutereminder for everyone to add yourselfs to the list on PTG agenda if you are attending in person or would like to join in remotely16:47
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markvoelker#topic open floor16:47
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markvoelkerAnything else to talk about today folks?16:47
egluteI hope nobody was hit by Harvey and are away from Irma...16:48
Rockygagreed16:48
Rockygand away from the fires in the west16:48
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eglute+116:49
eglutehogepodge are you affected by the fires?16:49
luzC1+116:49
egluteand luzC1?16:49
Rockygwe got lots of pollution from them in the bay area.16:49
RockygLike visiting Beijing16:50
luzC1there is ashes comming down16:50
hogepodgeit's pretty bad here16:50
hogepodgeOne of the most beautiful natural areas in the PNW is on fire, and they don't expect it to recover to 100 years16:51
mguiney:(16:51
eglute:(16:51
Rockyg:916:51
hogepodgeIt's raining ash in the city, and they're cancelling school and advising people to stay indoors until the fires die down and the wind shifts16:51
eglutemguiney hogepodge and luzC1 i hope you are far away from it16:51
Rockyg:(16:51
hogepodgeStill, it's nothing like what's happening in Texas16:51
eglutewow that is really really bad16:51
mguineyit's been a natural disaster summer all around16:51
egluteyeah, the coast here is wrecked. as well as some other areas outside of San Antonio16:52
hogepodgeHow are the SA folks doing? Have you been impacted by the hurricane?16:52
egluteit skipped us, we barely got any wind and a bit of rain16:52
eglutenorth of SA got a lot of rain and wind16:52
eglutebut still nothing as bad as Houston and the rest of the coast16:53
hogepodgemarkvoelker: Is your family ready for Irma?16:53
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markvoelkerI'll be keeping an eye on Irma as the latest tracks have it more likely to affect my area than before.  I should be in Colorado when/if it comes to town though.16:53
markvoelkerWe're currently not expecting major issues in our area (beyond rain/wind/trees down/power out) but we're preparing for worse if necessary.16:54
eglutemarkvoelker i hope it skips your town...16:54
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RockygI hope it skips everyone's town16:55
egluteSA had a gas shortage this last week. News went a bit crazy with their headlines and people panicked.16:55
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egluteRockyg agreed.. would be nice if it just died in the ocean.16:55
Rockyg++16:55
markvoelkerOk folks, stay safe and travel safe where ever you are this week!  Hope to see most of you in Denver.16:56
eglutebye!!16:56
markvoelker#endmeeting16:56
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Rockygsafe travels16:56
mguineybye!16:57
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robcresswell#startmeeting horizon20:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep  6 20:01:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is robcresswell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'horizon'20:01
robcresswellHeeeello everyone20:01
betherlyo/20:01
e0nehi20:01
david-lyleo/20:01
robcresswellying_zuo is away so I'm running this week20:02
robcresswell#topic Notices20:02
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robcresswell#info PTG next week; so no meetings and expect IRC to be quiet20:03
robcresswell#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-ptg-queens20:03
robcresswell#info If there are any other points you'd like us to add to the schedule, please ping me or ying_zuo :)20:03
robcresswell#topic Open Discussion20:04
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robcresswellAny questions / bugs / patches / blueprints, please raise them :)20:04
e0nelooks like it will be a quick meeting this time:)20:06
robcresswellIndeed :)20:06
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robcresswellOkay! I guess we can call the meeting early20:08
betherlyJust a heads up that I sent out an email to the dev list asking if people fancy doing any get together in the evenings next week :)20:08
robcresswellLooking forward to seeing / meeting some of you at the PTG. Please say hi if you see me wandering around!20:09
robcresswellbetherly: Oh cool, I'll respond in the morning20:09
robcresswellWe've previously had hangouts groups20:09
david-lylesign me up20:10
betherlyrobcresswell: that could work well but it's how to share gmail addresses as people might not want to share on mailing list (?)20:10
robcresswellbetherly: What we've done before is just say anyone who wants in can privately email / ping20:10
betherly++20:10
robcresswellWe can get that sorted tomorrow20:11
robcresswellAny other questions etc?20:11
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lucasxuo/ i have nothing, just saying hi ~20:12
robcresswellhaha20:13
robcresswellOkay everyone, I think we can end here20:13
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robcresswellThanks all :)20:13
lucasxu:)20:13
robcresswell#endmeeting20:13
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