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| tellesnobrega | #startmeeting sahara | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 7 14:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tellesnobrega. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'sahara' | 14:00 |
| tellesnobrega | I'm not sure we will have quorum for today's meeting, so I'm giving a couple minutes, if people don't show up I'm ending early | 14:01 |
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| shuyingya | o/ | 14:01 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:01 |
| tellesnobrega | good, we have people :) | 14:02 |
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| tellesnobrega | #topic News/Updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "News/Updates (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:02 | |
| tellesnobrega | I'm currently just finishing up prep for PTG, not much upstream work going on | 14:03 |
| tellesnobrega | this is one of the community goals for Queens | 14:04 |
| shuyingya | most of time working on down stream task. and still investigate bug 1713012 | 14:04 |
| openstack | bug 1713012 in Sahara "renamed cluster fail to scale" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713012 - Assigned to Shu Yingya (felixshu) | 14:04 |
| tellesnobrega | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501415/ | 14:04 |
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| tosky | shuyingya: I was going to ask why you moved it to Invalid, but I see that you reopened it | 14:05 |
| tosky | not many updates, I'm in "general testing mode" (aka: deploy with tripleo and test) | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, I don't know if jeremy had a chance to test that yet | 14:05 |
| tellesnobrega | I will ping him later about it | 14:06 |
| shuyingya | yes, it works on scale up, but it will fail when scale down :( | 14:06 |
| shuyingya | tellesnobrega, you can take a look at what I commented under the bug | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | I will | 14:06 |
| tellesnobrega | #action tellesnobrega to take a second round of testing on bug #1713012 | 14:07 |
| openstack | bug 1713012 in Sahara "renamed cluster fail to scale" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1713012 - Assigned to Shu Yingya (felixshu) | 14:07 |
| tellesnobrega | lets move on | 14:09 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic queens PTG | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "queens PTG (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:09 | |
| tellesnobrega | we are all set for PTG, schedule is set and we should be all there starting on wednesday | 14:10 |
| tellesnobrega | not much else on that topic | 14:10 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, did you have a chance to look the topics? | 14:10 |
| tellesnobrega | if you want anything to be discussed that we missed please add there and we will do our best to accommodate it | 14:11 |
| shuyingya | which topic? | 14:11 |
| tellesnobrega | for ptg | 14:11 |
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| shuyingya | you mean etherpad? | 14:11 |
| tellesnobrega | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sahara-queens-ptg | 14:11 |
| tellesnobrega | yes | 14:11 |
| shuyingya | yep, I will | 14:11 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks | 14:11 |
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| shuyingya | you are welcome | 14:12 |
| shuyingya | and tellesnobrega, you have test sahara over baremetal, right? | 14:12 |
| tellesnobrega | in a manner yes. I tried it using fake baremetal nodes (vms) | 14:13 |
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| tellesnobrega | but yes | 14:13 |
| shuyingya | have you taken some notes about it? | 14:13 |
| shuyingya | or you follow nikita's notes? | 14:14 |
| tellesnobrega | what kind of notes? how to do it? | 14:14 |
| shuyingya | just the step to deploy cluster on baremetal | 14:14 |
| tellesnobrega | I didn't follow nikita's notes, but it was a fairly flow | 14:14 |
| shuyingya | I want to try it and test the performance. But not sure the limitation. | 14:15 |
| shuyingya | OK, maybe I will consult you if I got any problem :) | 14:15 |
| tellesnobrega | I can check nikita's notes (can you paste the link) and if needed I will update with my deployment process | 14:15 |
| tellesnobrega | sure | 14:15 |
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| shuyingya | thanks | 14:16 |
| tosky | and/or our documentation | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | tosky, yeah | 14:16 |
| shuyingya | +1 | 14:16 |
| tellesnobrega | #topic Open Discussion | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: sahara)" | 14:17 | |
| tellesnobrega | i guess this should've been done earlier but lets see if we have any more discussion topics | 14:18 |
| shuyingya | I have no other questions, and I will review the PTG etherpad later or tomorrow. | 14:18 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks shuyingya | 14:18 |
| shuyingya | tellesnobrega, If you test the scale down renamed cluster, please let me know | 14:18 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, I will do for sure | 14:18 |
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| shuyingya | user_domain_name=Default | 14:19 |
| shuyingya | project_domain_name=Default | 14:19 |
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| shuyingya | And If it possible, can you investigate the RDO issue about the default value of user_domain_name | 14:19 |
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| shuyingya | I am not familiar with this, and I have deployed RDO with packstack two times. The bug can reproduce 100% | 14:20 |
| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, can't promise much at this point (traveling in 2 days) | 14:20 |
| tellesnobrega | but I will take a note to do it once I'm back | 14:21 |
| shuyingya | thanks, I will try to solve it this weekend :) but can't promise too | 14:21 |
| tellesnobrega | good | 14:22 |
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| tellesnobrega | anything else for today? | 14:24 |
| tosky | not from me | 14:24 |
| shuyingya | not from me too | 14:25 |
| shuyingya | and just now, I commented the step to reproduce the bug | 14:25 |
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| tellesnobrega | shuyingya, thanks | 14:26 |
| tellesnobrega | I guess we can close early today and have 34 minutes back | 14:26 |
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| tellesnobrega | thanks tosky and shuyingya for being here and next week we won't be having irc meeting | 14:26 |
| shuyingya | so happy vacation tellesnobrega | 14:26 |
| tosky | "vacation" :D | 14:26 |
| tellesnobrega | "vacation" is the right way to phrase it | 14:27 |
| tellesnobrega | thanks all | 14:27 |
| shuyingya | bye | 14:27 |
| tosky | o/ | 14:27 |
| tellesnobrega | #endmeeting | 14:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 7 14:27:42 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-09-07-14.00.html | 14:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-09-07-14.00.txt | 14:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/sahara/2017/sahara.2017-09-07-14.00.log.html | 14:27 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 7 15:00:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 15:00 |
| Swami | hi | 15:00 |
| davidsha | Hi | 15:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #chair Swami haleyb davidsha | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Swami davidsha haleyb mlavalle | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | Nice to see you team :-) | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #topic Annoucements | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | Next week PTG in Denver. Looking forward to see y'all there | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | :) | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | Also, I wanted to draw the team's attention to the Queens release schedule: | 15:03 |
| Swami | mlavalle: do we have an agenda for the PTG neutron team. | 15:03 |
| davidsha | Swami: Etherpad was updated | 15:03 |
| mlavalle | #link https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 15:03 |
| Swami | davidsha: thanks. | 15:03 |
| davidsha | Swami: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-queens-ptg | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | Next milestone will be Queens 1 October 20 - 26 | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | Swami: Yes, I worked with kevinbenton yesterday afternoong in an agenda | 15:04 |
| Swami | mlavalle: good to know | 15:04 |
| davidsha | mlavalle: you mean 16th-20th? | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | essentially we swept all the topics that folks put in the etherpad and distributed them in sessions across Wednesday through Friday | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | Wednesday and Friday are Neutron days | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | and Friday will let small interest groups to gather around stadium projects | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | makes sense? | 15:07 |
| Swami | mlavalle: thanks for the information. | 15:07 |
| davidsha | Will there be some way to dial in? | 15:07 |
| davidsha | I'd seen it discussed just not sure what the conclusion is. | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | I also heard yesterday that the Cinder team is trying to enable a hangout that creates you tube video | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | so I'll reach out to them to see if we can do the same thing for Neutron | 15:08 |
| davidsha | Thanks! | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | that way folks can attend virtualy on their own time | 15:09 |
| Swami | mlavalle: yes that would work for people who are not able to attend in person. | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | Finally, I wanted to remind folks that the Sydney Summit is fast approaching, November 6 - 8 | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | You are probably going to need a visa if you plan to attend | 15:11 |
| Swami | mlavalle: I got my approval yesterday and will start my visa process. | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | For US passport holders (and many other nationalitites) it's just a matter of applying on line and paying about $15 US. Yu get the visa in 5 minutes | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | everything on line | 15:12 |
| Swami | mlavalle: yeah that should be faster. | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | Last two announcements: we will have a Neutron social event in Denver Thursday night. Hopefully all of you will be there | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | and the very last one: carl_baldwin said to me a few weeks ago that he wants to join as many as possible of us for dinner on Monday or Tuesday | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | I am pinging him today to firm up the day | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | I'll keep you posted | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | Any other announcements? | 15:15 |
| Swami | mlavalle: nothing from me. | 15:15 |
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| mlavalle | ok moving on | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | as usual, Swami plase fire away | 15:16 |
| Swami | mlavalle: thanks | 15:16 |
| Swami | For DVR we have a critical bug and work is in progress. | 15:16 |
| Swami | We have two patches so far pushed in for review for this bug. | 15:16 |
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| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1713927 | 15:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1713927 in neutron "gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode-ubuntu-xenial fails constantly" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:17 |
| Swami | The agent side patch is to prevent agent processing a fip that does not have a host key. | 15:17 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499725/ | 15:18 |
| Swami | This patch has already been reviewed and had a workflow, but the gate is failing jenkins. I have applied a recheck on it. | 15:18 |
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| Swami | The server side patch is here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499859/ | 15:19 |
| haleyb | Swami: i also updated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500143/ - should work the same as yours, was using it for debugging here | 15:19 |
| Swami | I did some testing with this patch, but I found that the multinode grenade job is still failing. I need to look at the logs, to see if this is due to the current change or something else. | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | so these last two patchsets do the same thing? | 15:20 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: well, they should in theory | 15:20 |
| Swami | haleyb: thanks. | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | but we are merging only one of them, right? | 15:20 |
| haleyb | the goal when the agent and server patch are merged is the multinode job should be passing | 15:21 |
| Swami | haleyb: mlavalle: I will take a look at the logs again today and see why it fails in tempest 'Networkscenario' tests. | 15:21 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: yes, since it was a hot topic we were both looking at failure cases | 15:21 |
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| Swami | haleyb: We are not sure there are some other traces also seen in the multinode job. | 15:21 |
| haleyb | Swami: we will need to look, there shouldn't be any traces from our changes | 15:22 |
| Swami | haleyb: Not from our traces. But it is not related to our change. | 15:23 |
| Swami | haleyb: I see an error on 'Segment' and some 'StaleDataError' produced by DB updates. | 15:23 |
| haleyb | i was seeing other failures yesterday unrelated to neutron, was hoping a recent devstack-gate fix would have helped | 15:23 |
| haleyb | Swami: we should check if there's an existing bug for that | 15:23 |
| Swami | haleyb: Sure will do. | 15:24 |
| Swami | haleyb: mlavalle: Also a general question, I have issues with running the tempest service with devstack. It fails with 'flake' issue. Have anyone seen this. | 15:24 |
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| mlavalle | No, I haven't | 15:24 |
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| haleyb | i haven't seen that either | 15:25 |
| Swami | I am having it for a while, ok I will check it out later. | 15:25 |
| Swami | Let us move on to the next bugs. | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | I have a question | 15:25 |
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| Swami | mlavalle: yes | 15:26 |
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| mlavalle | do we need to wait for the approved patchsetto merge before we push either of the other two? | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | I just don't want to do something stupid trying to help :-) | 15:26 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: i did tell ihar i would be careful :) | 15:27 |
| haleyb | kevin pushed the agent patch, which failed the gate anyways | 15:27 |
| Swami | mlavalle: what are the approved patches. | 15:27 |
| mlavalle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499725 | 15:28 |
| Swami | haleyb: Theoretically this is an agent side patch and can merge without any issues, but as haleyb pointed out it is currently failing merge in gate. Not sure what is going on. | 15:29 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: i was going to wait until today to let you look at that, it's a temp fix until we can get the server code working better | 15:30 |
| Swami | agreed | 15:31 |
| Swami | Let us move on. | 15:31 |
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| haleyb | Swami: we shouldn't technically need that once we fix the server, but I guess i'd rather have the agent check as well | 15:31 |
| Swami | The next bug in the list is | 15:31 |
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| Swami | haleyb: yes I dont' want to remove it for now. This code path will be hit, only when the server misbehaves. So let us leave it for now. | 15:31 |
| haleyb | right | 15:32 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1714251 | 15:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1714251 in neutron "router_centralized_snat not removed when router migrated from DVR to HA" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to venkata anil (anil-venkata) | 15:32 |
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| Swami | This bug is related to the csnat port not getting cleared after router migration. This is also seen tempest testing occassionally. | 15:32 |
| Swami | anilvenkata has pushed in a patch for review. | 15:33 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501717/ | 15:33 |
| Swami | This patch needs review. | 15:33 |
| mlavalle | can we review and merge regardless of the other work you and haleyb are doing? | 15:33 |
| Swami | Right now jenkins is not happy with this patch. | 15:34 |
| * mlavalle is suffering a mild case of PTSD | 15:34 | |
| Swami | mlavalle: Sure if there is any patch on our codepath we will let you know. The work we are doing is on the full sync path. | 15:34 |
| mlavalle | ok | 15:34 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: yes, there are a few migration fixes that can merge when good, the server one we need to triple-check | 15:34 |
| davidsha | jli | 15:34 |
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| Swami | The next bug is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1714796 | 15:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1714796 in neutron "Router interface not updated during DVR->HA, HA->DVR migratons" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to venkata anil (anil-venkata) | 15:35 |
| Swami | There is also a patch to address this issue. | 15:36 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/500379 | 15:36 |
| Swami | The bug states that the device_owner is not updated during the migration. | 15:36 |
| Swami | I saw haleyb had already reviewed this patch. | 15:37 |
| Swami | I will include it into my review list as well | 15:37 |
| Swami | The next bug is also related to migration with the combination of HA and DVR | 15:38 |
| Swami | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1714802 | 15:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1714802 in neutron "DVR and HA migration tests failing intermittently for gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode-scenario-ubuntu-xenial-nv job" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 15:38 |
| Swami | anilvenkata has done some work on triaging all these bugs. | 15:38 |
| Swami | He also have a patch for it for review. | 15:38 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/500384 | 15:39 |
| Swami | Need reviews on these patches. | 15:39 |
| haleyb | the plan is to probably split that one into two reviews from what i remember | 15:39 |
| Swami | haleyb: ok | 15:39 |
| haleyb | he also noticed the segment issues, let me see if he filed a bug | 15:40 |
| Swami | The next on is #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1709774 | 15:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1709774 in neutron "Multiple router_centralized_snat interfaces created during Heat deployment" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 15:40 |
| Swami | haleyb: I did not see one tagged with DVR on the segment issue, but it might be ml2 specific bug. | 15:40 |
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| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/494376/ | 15:41 |
| Swami | This patch needs review. mlavalle had already reviewed this patch a couple of times. May be we need to take a look at it again. | 15:41 |
| Swami | This patch is can merge on its own and will not cause any trouble to our existing critical issue in the gate. | 15:42 |
| Swami | That's all I have for today on DVR bugs. | 15:42 |
| Swami | mlavalle: back to you. | 15:42 |
| haleyb | there was another related to fwaas | 15:42 |
| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1715395 | 15:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1715395 in neutron "FWaaS: Firewall creation fails in case of distributed routers (Pike)" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | Swami: I have a question regarding this last patchset | 15:43 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: go ahead | 15:43 |
| mlavalle | if the router port fails, we want to delete the snat port, correct? | 15:44 |
| mlavalle | nevermind, I think the answer is yes | 15:45 |
| mlavalle | I just got confused | 15:45 |
| Swami | the snat port should be removed when we remove the router-interface. Or in other words, if something errors out while router port is getting created, then we need to also clean up the csnat ports. | 15:45 |
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| mlavalle | yeap | 15:46 |
| Swami | provided the gateway is set. | 15:46 |
| mlavalle | and that is why we need the context | 15:46 |
| Swami | haleyb: thanks for the buglink on the fwaas. This was not tagged to 'l3_dvr_backlog'. I just tagged it. | 15:46 |
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| Swami | I already see a patch in progress. | 15:46 |
| Swami | #link https://review.openstack.org/501570 | 15:47 |
| haleyb | yes, i didn't know they were using router_info data like that | 15:47 |
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| Swami | I will review it. They are applying the firewall rules on the 'rfp' port, so they need the info on the fipnamespace creation and the link. | 15:48 |
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| haleyb | let's go to mlavalle since he must have bugs as well, only :12 left | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | no, I don't have any | 15:48 |
| Swami | mlavalle: back to you. | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | do we need to discuss something else? | 15:48 |
| davidsha | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1705536 was discussed at the drivers meeting last week. | 15:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705536 in neutron "[RFE] L3-agent agent-mode dvr bridge." [Wishlist,Triaged] | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | let me change topics | 15:49 |
| davidsha | Sorry! | 15:49 |
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| mlavalle | #topic L3-agent agent-mode dvr bridge | 15:49 |
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| mlavalle | go ahead | 15:49 |
| mlavalle | it was actually very well received, I might say | 15:50 |
| davidsha | The logs: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-08-31-22.03.log.html#l-147 | 15:50 |
| davidsha | Yes, They were discussing it being an experimental job, it was conditional that it was kept isolated from existing DvR features. | 15:52 |
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| davidsha | mlavalle: that about right? | 15:52 |
| Swami | davidsha: understood | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | Yes | 15:52 |
| mlavalle | so I think the question / ask to Swami and haleyb would be to take a look and make sure that is indded the case, that the DVR code is isolated from this patchset | 15:53 |
| davidsha | They also were wondering how it would work with HA and VRR | 15:53 |
| Swami | mlavalle: sure will take a look at it. | 15:53 |
| davidsha | Swami: Thank you. | 15:53 |
| Swami | davidsha: Do we have a spec for it. | 15:53 |
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| davidsha | Swami: No, but I can draft one if necessary. | 15:54 |
| Swami | davidsha: if you can draft one that would be great and I can take a look at it during the PTG for review. | 15:54 |
| davidsha | Swami: Ack, I'll work on that asap. | 15:55 |
| mlavalle | davidsha: anything else? | 15:56 |
| davidsha | mlavalle: nothing off the top of my head, if you have any questions for me I'm on IRC most of the time | 15:57 |
| mlavalle | ok | 15:57 |
| haleyb | Swami: was this the segment trace you saw? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1714068 - if so guess i need to get to fixing it :) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1714068 in neutron "AttributeError in get_device_details when segment=None" [Medium,New] | 15:58 |
| mlavalle | Swami, haleyb there is a bug that I would like to discuss with you. But since we are running out of time, let's do this in the Neutron channel | 15:58 |
| Swami | mlavalle: ok will do | 15:58 |
| Swami | haleyb: I did not remember seeing the Nonetype: attribute error. But let me recheck | 15:59 |
| haleyb | mlavalle: sure, i'll be in a meeting but will try | 15:59 |
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| mlavalle | ok | 15:59 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 7 15:59:42 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-09-07-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-09-07-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2017/neutron_l3.2017-09-07-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| davidsha | Thanks | 15:59 |
| edleafe | Hi mlavalle! | 15:59 |
| * mlavalle smiles and waves at edleafe | 16:00 | |
| Swami | bye | 16:00 |
| edleafe | #startmeeting api-sig | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 7 16:00:48 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is edleafe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| elmiko | beat me to it | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: api-sig)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'api_sig' | 16:01 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 16:01 |
| edleafe | #chair cdent elmiko edleafe | 16:01 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: cdent | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cdent edleafe elmiko | 16:01 |
| edleafe | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-SIG#Agenda | 16:01 |
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| edleafe | cdent isn't around; I think he's enjoying his time between vmware visit and PTG | 16:01 |
| elmiko | gotcha | 16:01 |
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| * dtantsur will have to run after roughly 30 mins | 16:02 | |
| edleafe | dtantsur: it shouldn't take that long :) | 16:03 |
| edleafe | #topic previous meeting action items | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "previous meeting action items (Meeting topic: api-sig)" | 16:03 | |
| edleafe | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2017/ | 16:03 |
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| edleafe | Only action was for elmiko to send another note to PTLs, and that was done | 16:03 |
| edleafe | Still no takers? | 16:03 |
| elmiko | \o/ | 16:03 |
| elmiko | nah | 16:03 |
| elmiko | i think dtantsur and tellesnobrega are the only people who have expressed any interest | 16:03 |
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| elmiko | i also am putting together my test case to use, so we'll have something to discuss on that front | 16:04 |
| edleafe | Maybe we should follow up with the PTLs later asking why: did they not feel that it was needed, or did they not want to appear dumb, or... | 16:04 |
| elmiko | great idea | 16:04 |
| dtantsur | what I hear is: changing API is too hard, so we probably just leave it as it is.. | 16:04 |
| elmiko | we could put together a google form and mail it out after the ptg ? | 16:04 |
| dtantsur | it may be different for people who itnroduce moar new API | 16:04 |
| edleafe | We can use the docs from the test case to explain it better | 16:05 |
| elmiko | good point dtantsur | 16:05 |
| elmiko | edleafe: that's what i was hoping, something to seed our example case | 16:05 |
| edleafe | dtantsur: yeah, I didn't want them to think that was the goal | 16:05 |
| edleafe | dtantsur: it was more for new/planned APIs and changes | 16:05 |
| dtantsur | then maybe we should reach out to people who just plan on joing the big tent (or how is it called now?) | 16:06 |
| dtantsur | they have bigger chances of needing our guidance | 16:06 |
| elmiko | yeah, if we could have something that new projects could evaluate early in their process that would be excellent | 16:07 |
| edleafe | It's now "the cozy condo" | 16:07 |
| elmiko | LOL | 16:07 |
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| dtantsur | meaning: reach out not only to the official PTLs, but to leaders of the candidate projects | 16:07 |
| dtantsur | yep :D | 16:07 |
| elmiko | i think they missed a great opportunity to call it the Big Bike Shed | 16:07 |
| edleafe | Do we have a resource listing such people? | 16:07 |
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| edleafe | elmiko: :) | 16:08 |
| dtantsur | may require some manual work.. | 16:08 |
| edleafe | truth in packaging | 16:08 |
| elmiko | not sure if the governance repo has anything like that | 16:08 |
| elmiko | but yeah, we'll probably have to pepper the mailing lists | 16:08 |
| dtantsur | we can start with proposed governance changes | 16:08 |
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| edleafe | yeah, I'm only aware of them when they apply for inclusion | 16:08 |
| dtantsur | there are like 4 projects proposed IIRC | 16:08 |
| cdent | I’m not really here | 16:08 |
| edleafe | cdent could help with that | 16:08 |
| edleafe | if he were here | 16:08 |
| dtantsur | WHO IS TALKING?? | 16:09 |
| cdent | what can I help with? | 16:09 |
| elmiko | is there any way we could get a blog post put up on the official openstack.org site? | 16:09 |
| elmiko | or maybe superuser or something | 16:09 |
| edleafe | cdent: sending the PTL invitation to new projects that are not yet in the ${BIG_TENT_REPLACEMENT} | 16:09 |
| elmiko | cdent: we're discussing how we can reach out to new projects before they have joined the community, to help get the api messaging out earlier in their process | 16:10 |
| dtantsur | then there is this Mogan project, which is Nova-for-Bare-Metal | 16:10 |
| cdent | I’d say watch the commit logs for project-config, not governance | 16:10 |
| dtantsur | they introduce new APIs on top of a nova-ish thing | 16:10 |
| cdent | as governance will only get you stuff that is wanting to be "official" | 16:10 |
| cdent | by then it is usually too late | 16:11 |
| elmiko | yeah | 16:11 |
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| edleafe | cdent: can you maybe get a list of such groups to elmiko? | 16:12 |
| cdent | i can take that action, but it won’t be today | 16:12 |
| * mlavalle waves at cdent | 16:12 | |
| elmiko | i think we're talking about sending this email after the ptg, is that accurate? | 16:13 |
| * cdent waves at mlavalle | 16:13 | |
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| elmiko | haha | 16:13 |
| cdent | I’ve missed these special moments | 16:13 |
| dtantsur | lol | 16:13 |
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| edleafe | elmiko: if it were a week earlier, I'd go for it, but perhaps it's best to do it after PTG | 16:14 |
| elmiko | agreed | 16:14 |
| edleafe | ok, let's move on | 16:14 |
| edleafe | #topic open mic and new biz | 16:14 |
| edleafe | Only one item: | 16:14 |
| edleafe | Turn PTG etherpad into more of a schedule | 16:14 |
| edleafe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-ptg-queens | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open mic and new biz (Meeting topic: api-sig)" | 16:14 | |
| elmiko | will there be any projects in attendence at the ptg who are prospects? | 16:15 |
| edleafe | We've kind of started that | 16:15 |
| edleafe | elmiko: prospects for... ? | 16:15 |
| elmiko | projects that want to join the ${BIG_TENT_REPLACEMENT} | 16:16 |
| edleafe | I wouldn't expect them | 16:16 |
| elmiko | ok, i didn't think so, but had to ask =) | 16:16 |
| edleafe | One of the perks of being official is that you get space at PTG | 16:16 |
| elmiko | right | 16:16 |
| edleafe | Some official groups are doing virtual PTGs even | 16:16 |
| edleafe | keeping costs down | 16:16 |
| elmiko | interesting | 16:16 |
| edleafe | and avoiding flying into the US | 16:16 |
| cdent | elmiko: if you look at the etherpad for the SWG/TC room there’s some stuff on the new groups that are currently applying, some of which will be at ptg | 16:16 |
| elmiko | cdent: ack, thanks! | 16:17 |
| edleafe | I posted some proposed time boxes for the items on the PTG agenda | 16:18 |
| edleafe | As elmiko already noted, some are a bit optimistic | 16:18 |
| edleafe | I just wanted to signal that they were the types of topics that could fill any amount of space given to them | 16:18 |
| elmiko | i think your thought process on the shorter ones was well reasoned | 16:18 |
| dtantsur | do we have a slot for reading mordred's literature aloud? | 16:19 |
| edleafe | So it was best to give them small targets | 16:19 |
| elmiko | dtantsur: lol +1 | 16:19 |
| edleafe | dtantsur: let's do that after lunch when people will already be sleepy | 16:19 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: wouldn't that be mordred ranting? :) | 16:19 |
| dtantsur | lol | 16:19 |
| elmiko | haha | 16:19 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: we will be reading, mordred will be ranting.. | 16:19 |
| edleafe | We can take turns reading it in our best mordred voice | 16:19 |
| dtantsur | an ideal API SIG meeting | 16:19 |
| dtantsur | edleafe: you won't enjoy my accent :) | 16:20 |
| edleafe | dtantsur: heh | 16:20 |
| edleafe | Any other topics for new biz? | 16:21 |
| mordred | gah. I REALLY need to update two docs for the ptg ... | 16:21 |
| mordred | so many things, so little time | 16:21 |
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| edleafe | mordred: yeah, quit goofing off! | 16:22 |
| edleafe | #topic guidelines | 16:23 |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-wg,n,z | 16:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "guidelines (Meeting topic: api-sig)" | 16:23 | |
| edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-sig,n,z | 16:23 |
| edleafe | No guideines listed as api-sig (yet!) | 16:23 |
| edleafe | cdent | 16:23 |
| edleafe | geez | 16:23 |
| edleafe | cdent's extensions guideline looks pretty good | 16:23 |
| cdent | wut? | 16:23 |
| edleafe | is it freeze-able? | 16:24 |
| elmiko | +1 | 16:24 |
| dtantsur | I'd say it's very straightforward | 16:24 |
| dtantsur | "please don't do what ironic is doing with its API" | 16:24 |
| edleafe | I haven't reviewed the latest version, so I'll do that after the meeting, and unless I find a stopper, I'll freeze it | 16:24 |
| edleafe | Sound good? | 16:24 |
| cdent | yes | 16:24 |
| dtantsur | ++ | 16:24 |
| edleafe | #action edleafe to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491611/ and freeze it if no problems are found | 16:25 |
| elmiko | edleafe: sounds good | 16:25 |
| edleafe | Anything else for guidelines? | 16:25 |
| edleafe | moving on... | 16:26 |
| edleafe | #topic bug review | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug review (Meeting topic: api-sig)" | 16:26 | |
| edleafe | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-sig | 16:26 |
| edleafe | No new bugs | 16:26 |
| edleafe | Any bug comments? | 16:26 |
| elmiko | that link errors out for me | 16:27 |
| elmiko | is it just because there are no bugs yet? | 16:27 |
| edleafe | hmmm | 16:28 |
| edleafe | I thought when I changed the name, the link would also follow | 16:28 |
| edleafe | When I click the api-sig link, it redirects to the api-wg bug page | 16:28 |
| elmiko | hrm | 16:29 |
| edleafe | I'll check it out after the meeting | 16:29 |
| elmiko | thanks | 16:29 |
| edleafe | which leads us to... | 16:29 |
| edleafe | #topic weekly newsletter | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "weekly newsletter (Meeting topic: api-sig)" | 16:29 | |
| edleafe | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-sig-newsletter | 16:29 |
| edleafe | elmiko: will you do the honors? Since cdent isn't here, of course | 16:30 |
| elmiko | edleafe: sure thing | 16:30 |
| edleafe | ok, ping us in -sdks when you're ready | 16:30 |
| edleafe | Anything else before we close? | 16:30 |
| elmiko | question about the freeze | 16:30 |
| elmiko | should i hold off on the newsletter till you read that review? | 16:30 |
| edleafe | ok, I'll do that first and then ping you | 16:31 |
| elmiko | ack, i'll fix up the rest and just wait on that | 16:31 |
| edleafe | you can write it up as if it will be frozen, but don't send it until it is | 16:31 |
| elmiko | yup | 16:31 |
| edleafe | I hope everyone has safe travels to the PTG! See you in Denver! | 16:32 |
| edleafe | #endmeeting | 16:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 7 16:32:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2017/api_sig.2017-09-07-16.00.html | 16:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2017/api_sig.2017-09-07-16.00.txt | 16:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/api_sig/2017/api_sig.2017-09-07-16.00.log.html | 16:32 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 16:32 |
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| cdent | o/ | 16:32 |
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| elmiko | thanks edleafe | 16:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: tbachman annakk: hi | 18:00 |
| annakk | hi! | 18:00 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: hi! | 18:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 18:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | #startmeeting networking_policy | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 7 18:01:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SumitNaiksatam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_policy' | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: thanks for chairing the meeting last time | 18:01 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks for shepherding the discussion on the DB migrations | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: thanks for bringinging up the UI patches | 18:01 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: not sure I shepherded as much as watched | 18:01 |
| tbachman | the sheep moved themselves ;) | 18:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and my apologies for going MIA at the last minute | 18:02 |
| rkukura | baa | 18:02 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: +1k to annakk | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: lol! | 18:02 |
| tbachman | rkukura: lol | 18:02 |
| annakk | :) | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #info agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#Sept_7th_2017 | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have a bit to cover today | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets get rolling | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic mitaka, newton DB migration backport strategy | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mitaka, newton DB migration backport strategy (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:02 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499185/ | 18:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499240 | 18:03 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i read the transcript of the last meeting, and i meant to respond last thursday itself, somehow didnt happen, and then fast forward to today :-) | 18:03 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: no worries. Good to get it firsthand here | 18:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i agree with the rkukura and the general point that we have a short term problem to fix and then a longer term decision to make | 18:04 |
| tbachman | (and thanks for catching up via transcript) | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: np | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we cannot do any more releases without solving the current mess we are in (regardless of what longer term strategy we use) | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so lets first try to resolve that | 18:04 |
| SumitNaiksatam | would it make more sense to start with the mitaka to newton migration issue first? | 18:05 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: Can we assume master or stable branch trunk chasing use cases are not a concern? | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (the discussion will most likely apply to newton to ocata as well) | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: yes, we never claimed to support them | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i mean we support them | 18:05 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but we did not claim that they would not break | 18:06 |
| rkukura | ok, just wanted to make that explicit | 18:06 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: very good point, thanks for stating that upfront | 18:06 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | so rkukura and tbachman you idenfied that there are a couple of migrations that are skipped between mitaka and newton? | 18:07 |
| rkukura | for mitaka->newton upgrade, I see two migraitions that will be missed | 18:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (these being different from the ones that are missing between newton and ocata) | 18:07 |
| rkukura | 5239 tenant_id->project_iod | 18:08 |
| rkukura | c460 NFP devstack | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: okay | 18:08 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: here was the list I’d compiled: https://pastebin.com/sstdM9ZZ | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i also want to make a general comment regarding NFP | 18:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: great thanks | 18:08 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: np! | 18:08 |
| * tbachman doesn’t have #link powers | 18:09 | |
| tbachman | or maybe I do? | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oh | 18:09 |
| tbachman | #link https://pastebin.com/sstdM9ZZ <= DB migrations | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #chairs rkukura tbachman annakk | 18:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #chair rkukura tbachman annakk | 18:09 |
| openstack | Current chairs: SumitNaiksatam annakk rkukura tbachman | 18:09 |
| tbachman | I guess I didn’t have topic powers | 18:09 |
| tbachman | but I did have link | 18:09 |
| rkukura | tbachman: I don’t see 5239 on your list | 18:10 |
| tbachman | hmmmm | 18:10 |
| * tbachman tries to remember why | 18:10 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | so my comment on NFP, to the extent i am aware of, we dont have a user currently deploying NFP on mitaka or newton | 18:10 |
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| rkukura | tbachman: is it because tenant_id wasn’t renamed project_id in the DB until newton? | 18:10 |
| * tbachman is looking | 18:11 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | so while we should try our best to maintain the integrity of that component, we can make changes to that component without fear of disruption | 18:11 |
| * rkukura has not looked at when neutron renamed it | 18:11 | |
| tbachman | rkukura: which patch introduced that? | 18:12 |
| rkukura | tbachman: to gbp? | 18:12 |
| tbachman | yeah | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i think the change has been going in neutron for a while | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i think we were forced to make the change in newton? | 18:12 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk did the change in GBP if recall correctly | 18:13 |
| annakk | yes | 18:13 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and we didnt want to backport it then | 18:13 |
| tbachman | ah | 18:13 |
| tbachman | rkukura: I think my list was based on the most recent migration in stable/mitaka | 18:14 |
| tbachman | so it likely doesn’t cover that one | 18:14 |
| tbachman | (and good point) | 18:14 |
| rkukura | yes it was annakk’s newton patch, so we don’t want it on mitaka | 18:14 |
| rkukura | but it needs to run when upgrading from mitaka->newton, and it will not because mitaka’s HEAD is beyond it in newton’s chain | 18:15 |
| tbachman | #link https://github.com/openstack/group-based-policy/commit/f7f1ce349e2ed7579f64430c8cf8f0f5137c8eec#diff-9ae7c407a57ed5bb5e916dbbf4530e8b <= patch with DB migration | 18:15 |
| tbachman | rkukura: ack | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ack | 18:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so can we introduce conditional migrations at the HEAD that adds those changes only if they are missing? | 18:16 |
| rkukura | seems like, on stable/newton, we need to make that migration idempotent and move closer to HEAD | 18:16 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I think we are saying the same thing | 18:16 |
| annakk | SumitNaiksatam | 18:16 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:16 |
| annakk | I think its the best way to go | 18:17 |
| annakk | if we care about same-branch migrations | 18:17 |
| rkukura | same thing for the NFP patch? | 18:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i would vote in favor of doing it for the NFP patch as well, just to maintain the overall consistency | 18:18 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: right, even if someone isn’t using NFP, the DB schema needs to be consistent with the code | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | the migration patch would however have to be introduced in master, and would have to backport its way to newton | 18:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: agree, depending on the schema change | 18:18 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I agree the same issue with the same two patches will be issues on stable/ocata and master | 18:19 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i guess thats what you mean by “consistent" | 18:19 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ack | 18:19 |
| rkukura | so there are two more migrations that will be missed on upgrade from mitaka or newton to ocata: | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hmmm | 18:20 |
| rkukura | da6a QoS | 18:20 |
| rkukura | bff1 NFP | 18:20 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay, rkukura thanks for digging those out | 18:20 |
| rkukura | and my notes have one that at that time was HEAD on master but not back-ported to ocata: 4c0c APIC | 18:22 |
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| rkukura | so should our strategy be to do one patch that fixes everyhing on master that might be missed when upgrading from mitaka, and then manually back-porting the needed parts of that to stable/ocata and stable/newton? | 18:24 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ack on one patch | 18:24 |
| tbachman | rkukura: seems like a sound approach | 18:24 |
| annakk | agree | 18:24 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | stable/ocata would be identical to master | 18:24 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: I agree it should be, until there is something new on master that doesn’t get back-ported | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:25 |
| SumitNaiksatam | there is a some difference between newton and ocata | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | namely, QoS and the NFP changes | 18:26 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: right | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay so assuming we follow this plan | 18:26 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will be left with different chains on different branches | 18:26 |
| rkukura | I could do these patches, but probably wouldn’t get to them til mid next week. I’m flying BOS->SFO tomorrow (might be able to do them on the plane) and taking PTO Monday | 18:27 |
| tbachman | should we revert the ip_pool changes the? | 18:27 |
| tbachman | s/the/the/ | 18:27 |
| tbachman | dang | 18:27 |
| tbachman | s/the/then/ | 18:27 |
| * tbachman checks his “n” key | 18:27 | |
| rkukura | tbachman: 27b7 is on master, ocata, and newton, right? | 18:27 |
| tbachman | rkukura: ack | 18:27 |
| tbachman | but placement was the question | 18:27 |
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| tbachman | just wasn’t sure if it made things simpler | 18:28 |
| * tbachman is fine with leaving it as-is | 18:28 | |
| tbachman | but — I’ll revert the other 2 DB migration patches that I have | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: you are thinking that we should put this change also in the “uber” backport patch? | 18:28 |
| rkukura | is there a reason to have that change on newton, or not? | 18:28 |
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| tbachman | the IPv6 feature is all the way back to stable/mitaka | 18:28 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ideally i think it should be all the branches | 18:29 |
| tbachman | the question is whether we want the same behavior of ip_pool | 18:29 |
| tbachman | my thinking is that it should be the same | 18:29 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: ack | 18:29 |
| rkukura | tbachman: ack | 18:29 |
| tbachman | which leaves the stable/mitaka patch for that feature | 18:30 |
| tbachman | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499185/ <= backport of ip_pool size increase to stable/mitaka | 18:30 |
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| rkukura | so if we back-port this to stable/mitaka and 27b7 becomes HEAD on stable/mitaka, we will have more patches that would be missed upgrading from mitaka to newton or ocata | 18:32 |
| rkukura | s/patches/migrations/ | 18:32 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so thats the longer term issue | 18:32 |
| rkukura | guess so | 18:33 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | my earlier comment - “we will be left with different chains on different branches” | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | so what do we do for future backports once we have cleaned up the mess | 18:33 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: good transition | 18:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | (ip_pools falling into that future backports category though we already have the patch ready) | 18:33 |
| annakk | why do we backport agressively? | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: to support users :-) | 18:34 |
| rkukura | one option is to try to keep the DB schema identical across the active branches | 18:34 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right | 18:34 |
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| annakk | users are reluctant to go forward in release? | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: typically the users, once they deploy a particular release, dont move as quickly | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: within the same release, yes | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but moving forward to a new release takes more doing | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i know people still using liberty | 18:35 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i mean legit users in production | 18:36 |
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| rkukura | annakk: also, GBP was evolving rapidly, so users wanted the latest GBP | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ack | 18:36 |
| annakk | i think there's a general consensus in openstack to avoid backporting features that require schema changes | 18:36 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: completely agree and understand | 18:37 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: but in those cases, the distro vendors are still doing the backporting | 18:37 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | albeit selectively and perhaps on a per customer basis | 18:38 |
| * tbachman notes there are 2 classes of openstack users. 1) pre-production, who want the latest openstack release; 2) production users, who never want to move to a new release ;) | 18:38 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: lol | 18:38 |
| annakk | :) | 18:38 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: and on (2) not only do they dont want to move, they still want all the latest features :-) | 18:38 |
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| rkukura | tbachman: Also, 1.5) want newest GBP on older OpenStack | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and that latter part makes it really difficult to support | 18:39 |
| tbachman | lol | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i categorized that as 2.5 | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | anyway, annakk to your question, we decided to take the simple way out - | 18:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that is try to keep all branches consistent | 18:39 |
| rkukura | so should GBP start playing by the rules at some point? | 18:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | that is feature wise, to the extent possible | 18:40 |
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| annakk | SumitNaiksatam: sounds like its only possible if new features don't conflict with neutron db all the way back | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i think if it was left to us, it would be much easier for us to just play by the rules since it reduces this headache of backporting | 18:41 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: yes sure, and mostly we havent hit issues in that regard (luckily) | 18:41 |
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| rkukura | if GBP’s official stable branches followed OpenStack backporting rules, it would be possible to maintain different branches (unstable/mitaka, unstable/newton, unstable/ocata, …) that more aggressively back-port, but that is more work | 18:42 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: exactly i was just saying that, we dont have a “distro” vendor like entity doing that “unstable” branch work for us | 18:42 |
| SumitNaiksatam | for other openstack projects its being done by those distro vendors | 18:43 |
| rkukura | SumitNaiksatam: right | 18:43 |
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| annakk | thanks for the 101, makes sense | 18:43 |
| rkukura | but even then, new features are typically not back-ported, are they? | 18:43 |
| rkukura | s/are/aren’t/ | 18:43 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: i agree, mostly not features | 18:44 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but i guess its easier for them to put the stake in the ground for those projects | 18:44 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | of course we can decide to the same thing here, but i am not sure if this is really beyond our control in the sense that if a user asks for a feature be backported, would we actually be able to say no! | 18:46 |
| * tbachman wonders if we’re any closer to a path forward here | 18:46 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks for the reality check :-) | 18:47 |
| tbachman | sorry — not trying to be negative | 18:47 |
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| tbachman | seems like we have several options | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: no, didnt mean to suggest that you were implying that | 18:47 |
| rkukura | it would be good to keep some flexibility | 18:47 |
| SumitNaiksatam | one thing is for sure, we need to be much more selective in backporting features/patches that involve DB migrations (assuming we even decide that we will allow those and have a strategy around it) | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: ack | 18:48 |
| rkukura | I think a good case to think about is 5239 (tenant->project), which should definitely not be back-ported to stable/mitaka, but is definitely needed when upgrading from mitaka to anything newer | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | this current mess is a good opener in that sense | 18:48 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: so that would be the argument against making all migration chains identical? | 18:49 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: you had mentioned the idea of backporting with a no-op | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks, i did, but that is not the ultimate solution, because that introduces the issue of skipping that migration all together | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | when migrating from one branch to the next | 18:50 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i meant the no-op only for upgrades witthin the same branch | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | instead of no-op we could do conditional, but i dont think that would solve the problem | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | completely | 18:51 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we have 9 mins remaining | 18:51 |
| rkukura | I don’t see how no-op solves anything | 18:52 |
| * tbachman nods | 18:52 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | no-op could potentially solve the problem of temporarily get the chains to be temporarily identical across the branches | 18:53 |
| annakk | but they can't stay identical forever, can they? | 18:53 |
| rkukura | I think it might help to keep the migrations that are not backported to older branches in front of (closer to HEAD than) migrations that are back-ported | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but we are solving the short term problem in a better way here by introducing the idempotent migrations at the head | 18:53 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: agree | 18:54 |
| rkukura | no-op makes the chains look identical, but they still are not really identical | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: but we would have more control over what we merge in the future | 18:54 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: right, schema is not identical | 18:54 |
| annakk | how do we handle situation when feature X is not backported, but after that comes feature Y that is backported? | 18:55 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: regarding your earlier point, it can still get us to same situation we are currently in | 18:55 |
| annakk | no-op for X? | 18:55 |
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| * tbachman understands why the OpenStack policy is not to backport DB migrations :( | 18:55 | |
| SumitNaiksatam | i dont think we should discuss no-op since it doesnt solve the longer term problem | 18:55 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | sorry that i brought it up :-( | 18:56 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: I did actually — sorry | 18:56 |
| tbachman | (in this meeting, that is) | 18:56 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: i take the responsibility | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | okay so in the interest of time | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we will have to go back to emails | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | lets try to close this by tomorrow | 18:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | perhaps we can take a break and think again with some more clarity | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic UI patches | 18:57 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | i have tried the ocata UI | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: does your patch fix the issues you are seeing? | 18:57 |
| rkukura | I think a policy on ordering the migrations when back-porting could at least prevent the need to shuffle them and make them idempotent going forward | 18:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | rkukura: definitely | 18:57 |
| rkukura | lets cover UI | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry i meant i *have not* tried Ocata UI | 18:58 |
| annakk | SumitNaiksatam: it fixes one issue, and I'm not sure about the rest since I discovered issues linger after horizon restart | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | i have tested newton recently | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: okay, i will give it a try | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | sorry that you ran into this after we released ocata, should have been caught before release | 18:58 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: thanks also for starting to look at the UI patchers | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | tbachman: thanks to you as well | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #topic py27 logs | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "py27 logs (Meeting topic: networking_policy)" | 18:59 | |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: np! | 18:59 |
| annakk | I'll continue testing it above the fix | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | please take look here #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/GroupBasedPolicy#Sept_7th_2017 | 18:59 |
| SumitNaiksatam | annakk: thanks | 18:59 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | in the past we had cleaned up | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | but again we have a huge amount of repetitive logging | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | makes it very difficult to debug test failures | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | we need to clean up/supress | 19:00 |
| SumitNaiksatam | and check if there are any real issues hidden here in the error message | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | *messages | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | thanks all for joining today | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 7 19:01:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| rkukura | bye | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-09-07-18.01.html | 19:01 |
| SumitNaiksatam | bye | 19:01 |
| annakk | bye | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-09-07-18.01.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_policy/2017/networking_policy.2017-09-07-18.01.log.html | 19:01 |
| rkukura | thanks SumitNaiksatam | 19:01 |
| tbachman | SumitNaiksatam: thanks! | 19:01 |
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